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NoHitter
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EBWOP:
More people posted in between-

@fartownik: Flavor and common sense
Unless the mod made safeclaims, you'd expect scum roles to exist outside of traditional "town" roles. Also if the flavor of the character they claim doesn't quite fit the description, then lynch. I'm sure we have enough flavor-expert people to verify this.

Sakura wrote:

NH: How is it beneficial to town to inform scum of any possible OP roles?
It's the same reason as in Stacking the Deck. You may inform them yes, but in turn you also get information that will help town lynch them or plan ahead.
Sakura
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I townread fartownik because of noticing the blatant sheeping I did, and I asked to discuss that so we got out of RVS fast and we can start hunting information, and I love how I already got some reactions from my point of discussion.

Leaning Town: fartownik, Tanz
Leaning Scum: NH.
Null: Everyone else.

And no massclaiming PRs is not a good idea to hunt information.
Tanzklaue
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claiming only PR has no pluses nor minuses.

claiming the exact roles doesn't help town all that much, while scum can pick out the better townroles.
Sakura
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And didnt you say, there were no VTs?
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Tanzklaue
there arn't. but killing for example a cop is better than killing a FBI agent (I struggled to find a really useless role lol)
Sakura
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There may be a cop yes, there also may be a doctor, who's the scum gonna shoot first?
Tanzklaue
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doctor, since you can't shoot the cop if the doctor has a functioning brain.
Sakura
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So NH care to tell me why you think it would work, in the most likely scenario that we are all PRs?

Or did you want to claim everyone's abilities so you and your scumbuddies take out the most OP ones?
fartownik
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I'm all for not claiming the exact roles in this game. This is different than Stack the Deck. The only thing we should do is to half-claim.

@Sakura: I don't see how anyone wouldn't notice you sheeping to me. Everyone noticed that and that doesn't mean everyone's Town.
Sakura
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Yeah, but you thought i was scum for doing so.
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Tanzklaue
I'm psure he just joked around.
NoHitter
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Sakura wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

And Sakura, when you give out your reads, give your reasoning.
I am aware of that, the point of the discussion is whether you can guess why i'm townreading farto.

Sakura wrote:

I townread fartownik because of noticing the blatant sheeping I did, and I asked to discuss that so we got out of RVS fast and we can start hunting information, and I love how I already got some reactions from my point of discussion.

Leaning Town: fartownik, Tanz
Leaning Scum: NH.
Null: Everyone else.

And no massclaiming PRs is not a good idea to hunt information.
Care to tell us why Tanz is leaning town, and I'm leaning scum?

Sakura wrote:

So NH care to tell me why you think it would work, in the most likely scenario that we are all PRs?

Or did you want to claim everyone's abilities so you and your scumbuddies take out the most OP ones?
Nice scumpainting there.

If we were all PR's then let me repeat what I told you:
1) Flavor - if a character's flavor does not match with his/her role, lynch
2) Setup - some roles will be deemed questionable if placed in a town sense: i.e. Roleblocker; also, some roles are technically hand in hand with each other: A Watcher will almost all the time be paired with a Tracker, etc. If any inconsistencies pop out, lynch
Kitsunemimi
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fartownik wrote:

I'm all for not claiming the exact roles in this game. This is different than Stack the Deck. The only thing we should do is to half-claim
Tbh I'm pretty sure everyone is PR, this is Touhou after all.

In the first Touhou PyP, also hosted by pieguy, everyone was PR too.
NoHitter
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Once again we're have the "PR roles saving us" VS "We lynch mafia based on info" debate.
Sakura
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@NH: Why do you think i'm scumpainting and not reaction testing?

@Tanz: You are gonna dismiss RVS as jokes?
NoHitter
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@Sakura: Because you added "you and your scumbuddies". If you were really reaction testing, you would have just said I was "scum", but you took a step further than that.
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Sakura wrote:

@NH: Why do you think i'm scumpainting and not reaction testing?

@Tanz: You are gonna dismiss RVS as jokes?
RVS is, for the most part, joking and dicking around. sure, some people try to do mindgames and you occasionally have scum crossvoting each other or other shenanigans, and occasionally a new player totally flips out, but it's mostly not-so-useful information.
Sakura
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Not really, at the start of a game all info you have is your Role PM, and your Role PM is what will guide your actions towards getting info, dismissing RVS as a joke stage is detrimental to town, question and use everything, even RVS actions to find scum.

@NH: Yeah because if i'm using the term "You're scum" then you have a team of scumbuddies, I'm basically calling you out on scum and see how you'd react on that to either strengthen or weaken my scumread on you, so far it has gone nowhere.
Kitsunemimi
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Tanzklaue wrote:

Sakura wrote:

@NH: Why do you think i'm scumpainting and not reaction testing?

@Tanz: You are gonna dismiss RVS as jokes?
RVS is, for the most part, joking and dicking around. sure, some people try to do mindgames and you occasionally have scum crossvoting each other or other shenanigans, and occasionally a new player totally flips out, but it's mostly not-so-useful information.
I'm not so sure if you can call it not-so-useful information, but I do agree that it looked like you guys were just joking...

Also, why does the action have to start as soon as I'm getting ready to leave for home...? ._.
I don't even know how many pages to expect to read through once I get home D:
fartownik
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@NoHitter: you base the success of your massclaim on the theory that Mafia PRs will differ from regular Town PRs. What if not? What if the PRs were picked randomly and we will end up being in the ass with all claimed PRs + flavors? Tbh this is quite possible and I wouldn't risk doing this right now.
NoHitter
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Sakura wrote:

Not really, at the start of a game all info you have is your Role PM, and your Role PM is what will guide your actions towards getting info, dismissing RVS as a joke stage is detrimental to town, question and use everything, even RVS actions to find scum.
I'm not sure if everyone has that kind of mindset at the start of the game. You may take it seriously, but a lot of people (myself included) don't take it seriously. That's why I usually opt for RQS or not starting with RVS at all.

Sakura wrote:

@NH: Yeah because if i'm using the term "You're scum" then you have a team of scumbuddies, I'm basically calling you out on scum and see how you'd react on that to either strengthen or weaken my scumread on you, so far it has gone nowhere.
Yes I know about reaction testing, but you did it in a way that you also scumpainted me. You didn't exactly call me out "I think NH is scum.". You instead subtly implied it by saying that I had "scumbuddies", thus scumpainted.
NoHitter
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fartownik wrote:

@NoHitter: you base the success of your massclaim on the theory that Mafia PRs will differ from regular Town PRs. What if not? What if the PRs were picked randomly and we will end up being in the ass with all claimed PRs + flavors? Tbh this is quite possible and I wouldn't risk doing this right now.
I'm not convinced that Scum Doctors, and Scum Alignment Cops would exist.
Scum PRs are restricted to certain types that we can pinpoint them.
Kitsunemimi
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fartownik wrote:

@NoHitter: you base the success of your massclaim on the theory that Mafia PRs will differ from regular Town PRs. What if not? What if the PRs were picked randomly and we will end up being in the ass with all claimed PRs + flavors? Tbh this is quite possible and I wouldn't risk doing this right now.
Not only this but,

NoHitter wrote:

If we were all PR's then let me repeat what I told you:
1) Flavor - if a character's flavor does not match with his/her role, lynch
Anyone who knows their toohoos really well can pick and fakeclaim a suitable Touhou character which hasn't been taken by anyone else, since there are so many of them. On top of this, not all of the Touhou characters fit with the mafia roles perfectly, yet can be paired with them anyways because we only offered 3 characters each to pieguy.
Sakura
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Even if you say you don't take it seriously, in reality you are, psychologically you are really basing your choices and arguments off your own beliefs given by your role PM, as random as you want to be, you aren't going to be.

Besides, being random is detrimental to town anyway, as in actually using RNG to decide who to vote during RVS, but at least you gotta come up with a reason, and i have the right to question said reason, and see your reactions and judge your alignment based on it.

No matter how much you want to dismiss RVS as random, it never truly is, what RVS is is just a stage of not enough information, so we take steps towards getting said information.

You try to get information by getting massclaims, which will just be detrimental to town in the end, imagine we only have 1 OP town role, and is dead, what's next.
NoHitter
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@Kitsunemimi
Precisely why I suggested we claim from a specific time X to Y. That way scum will have less time to fakeclaim.

@Sakura
Then we lynch the scum through the info we get? Honestly, this argument is just going around in circles.
If this was a mountainous setup, we would be doing the same thing: lynch scum based on the info.

Anyway, I really have to sleep now.
Kitsunemimi
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NoHitter wrote:

@Kitsunemimi
Precisely why I suggested we claim from a specific time X to Y. That way scum will have less time to fakeclaim.
As I said, if they're good, they can do it faster than some people who have certain obligations, or are restricted to timezones.
I just don't think it's reliable enough to be worth revealing all our roles.
Sakura
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Better to do that, than massclaim to rely on PRs, if you want to massclaim to it at D2 at the earliest, when everyone will have to justify their night actions.
pieguyn
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Votecount 1.1:

Sakura (1) - fartownik
Kanye West (1) - Tanzklaue
NoHItter (1) - Kanye West
Tanzklaue
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Unvote: Kanye
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or i guess just Unvote...

anyway, should lay down the RV now.
Sakura
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Are you townreading kanye now?
Tanzklaue
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what, no

I didn't had any deeper thoughts behind my RV. I voted him because we are circle clicking buddies of some sorts.

really, you're reading to deep into this. I am null on kanye, and there is no reason to vote someone who is null at this stage of the game.
Tanzklaue
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besides how should I townread anyone who only posted a RV himself and a "I just woke up" (or scumread, for a fact)
Sakura
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Then what do you plan on doing with your vote?, I never said you townread him, but if he's null, then why does unvoting him help you figure out his alignment?
Tanzklaue
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it doesn't. how does a random vote sitting on him help me?
Sakura
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Pressure
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I'm sure he had a very pressured day/night, and it didn't help much anyway.
Lilac
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Don't tell me you brought in his real life situation into this...

...Really? Also, I'm here to see Sakura talk. Mew.
Lilac
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Damn, most people are actually going to sleep, I might have to change my schedule a bit to actually compensate for this.
Tanzklaue
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australia too weak.
Kanye West
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Kinda weird how you unvoted me if you still have a null read on me tbh.

And massclaiming is a very bad idea, even if we say whether we are a PR or not. It'll help scum more than town, as by this point, scum will probably have enough time to come up with a good fakeclaim (I'm pretty sure everyone here, or almost everyone, knows enough about Touhou characters to come up with a good fakeclaim anyways).

@Kitsunemimi keep in mind many roles can be town or mafia. Even if we MC, it may not even help town decide a lynch.
Sakura
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Kanye gets town points for analysis.
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Kanye West wrote:

@Kitsunemimi keep in mind many roles can be town or mafia. Even if we MC, it may not even help town decide a lynch.

Kitsunemimi wrote:

I just don't think it's reliable enough to be worth revealing all our roles.
You basically repeated what I said in my earlier posts actually.
Kitsunemimi
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Unless you meant for that to be directed at NoHItter, in which case, yeah, exactly :o
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Kitsunemimi wrote:

On top of this, not all of the Touhou characters fit with the mafia roles perfectly, yet can be paired with them anyways because we only offered 3 characters each to pieguy.
oh I was replying to this, pretty much just saying that even though a character may suggest a town alignment, it can be given a role that can be town or mafia.
Lilac
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Kanye gave a reason...

...You just kinda gave a...reliability issue... You know...?
Kitsunemimi
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@Kanye: Oh, when I said "mafia", I meant the game as a whole, not the specific alignment >.<

And Lilac, a reliability issue IS a reason not to massclaim. Well at least that was what I was trying to point out.
Tanzklaue
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also pieguy can get pretty creative, and many characters could be multiple things.
Kitsunemimi
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Woo hoo another double post (maybe)

Anyways, we agree on not mass claiming right? Because it can cause problems, and has "reliability issues".

The thing is, I've still barely played any mafia, so I don't know where exactly to go from here.
Sakura
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Kitsunemimi wrote:

Anyways, we agree on not mass claiming right?
Not on D1 no.
Raging Bull
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Woke up.

So don't wanna sound like broken record, but I don't think mass claiming would be beneficial at all, especially what Kanye said.


Although personally I'm rather suspicious on Sakura. Scumpainting NH, and townreading other people. it seems like she's just trying to get towncred early on in the game.

@Sakura, you haven't answered Nh's question. Why do you think he's scum and Tanz is town? What did you read to think they are scum/town? I'm actually reading NH more town than you are. His questioning on you and your reads without reasoning perhaps made you nervous a bit.

Sakura wrote:

I townread fartownik because of noticing the blatant sheeping I did
I mean truthfully, you blatantly said "sheeping to fart" who the hell cannot see it? (besides people who don't read the thread :( )

Tanzklaue wrote:

I'm conditioned now to always feel like a lightning stroke me down whenever someone wants to massclaim day 1.
Sounds cool.
Sakura
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RB: have you ever heard of reaction tests?
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I was not aware that ignoring a question is a reaction test.
Sakura
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Raging Bull wrote:

I was not aware that ignoring a question is a reaction test.
No, the reads were, tbh the only person im townreading atm is Kanye.
Raging Bull
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Wait what? Now you aren't townreading Tanz/fart?
Sakura
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Raging Bull wrote:

Wait what? Now you aren't townreading Tanz/fart?
I never did, are you even reading? I wanted to gauge reactions from people to me townreading fart outta nowhere.
Lilac
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Sakura wrote:

So here's some discussion.

I got a townread on fartownik, discuss!
It seems like I can't read...or understand sarcasm...

I don't even know.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull wrote:

I mean truthfully, you blatantly said "sheeping to fart" who the hell cannot see it? (besides people who don't read the thread :( )
Not enough sleep.
Lilac
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You made it sound quite like a legitimate statement, pretty nice though...

...Umm, I thought breakfast would help but it doesn't seem like it...uhh... Let me get back to what I think when I can actually think...
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Ok so I am getting kinda confused with Sakura right now

Sakura wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

Wait what? Now you aren't townreading Tanz/fart?
I never did, are you even reading? I wanted to gauge reactions from people to me townreading fart outta nowhere.

Sakura wrote:

I townread fartownik because of noticing the blatant sheeping I did, and I asked to discuss that so we got out of RVS fast and we can start hunting information, and I love how I already got some reactions from my point of discussion.

Leaning Town: fartownik, Tanz
Leaning Scum: NH.
Null: Everyone else.

And no massclaiming PRs is not a good idea to hunt information.
This post was after Sakura's reaction test and she never talked about it not being real until RB called her out and she just explained it as a "reaction test".

So just what exactly are you really saying that is real? You seem to be saying stuff and then backing out and explaining it away as you were "just testing" when you get called out upon.
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Everything until that post, including that post was reaction testing, I wanted to see how people would react to my reads out of nowhere or silly reasons, i thought i explained that already?
Jinxy
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Well, you explained some, but you never touched on the fart/Tanz.


From NH's post:

NoHitter wrote:

Sakura wrote:

I townread fartownik because of noticing the blatant sheeping I did, and I asked to discuss that so we got out of RVS fast and we can start hunting information, and I love how I already got some reactions from my point of discussion.

Leaning Town: fartownik, Tanz
Leaning Scum: NH.
Null: Everyone else.

And no massclaiming PRs is not a good idea to hunt information.
Care to tell us why Tanz is leaning town, and I'm leaning scum? <Not Answered, specifically the underlined part>

Sakura wrote:

So NH care to tell me why you think it would work, in the most likely scenario that we are all PRs?

Or did you want to claim everyone's abilities so you and your scumbuddies take out the most OP ones?
Nice scumpainting there. <Answered>
On the last post of page 10, you talked about gauging reactions on townreading fart in reply to RB, and specifically ignored Tanz, too.
Rantai
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Good "morning".

NoHitter wrote:

Hi guys.
Two's method again? It worked last time :D
You know I feel like NH is trying to meta game this time (with specific mention to his statement last game - he's town if he suggests something ridiculous). Then again I don't really like meta so I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

Following up though, no thank you to massclaim. Day 2 (due to actual actions being made) maybe but day 1 gives the mafia a better chance at organising their actions based on claims.
Lilac
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Okay, here's what I have to say.

Kitsunemimi wrote:

fartownik wrote:

I'm all for not claiming the exact roles in this game. This is different than Stack the Deck. The only thing we should do is to half-claim
Tbh I'm pretty sure everyone is PR, this is Touhou after all.

In the first Touhou PyP, also hosted by pieguy, everyone was PR too.
Incorrect, Salvage was normal Mafia Goon. However, I'm pretty sure pieguy actually made everyone PR now, at least that was what we learnt when we did the first Touhou game.

I also do not like how NoHitter wanted to go for a "Two method" approach. What happened to those RQSs that you did so long ago? Why bring up someone else's way of scumhunting when you can just use your own and still be perfectly viable?

The reason why I think we should not claim or even half-claim as farto states is that it simply anyone could still be mafia. I trust pieguy is very story heavy so anyone who comes across Flandre, a vampire who can destroy anything...any character in the Touhou series would probably want her dead, there would be no need to fakeclaim since anyone can claim anything and we're back at square one for town and a whole buncha choices for mafia.

Also, a Rantai.
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Rantai wrote:

You know I feel like NH is trying to meta game this time (with specific mention to his statement last game - he's town if he suggests something ridiculous). Then again I don't really like meta so I'm taking it with a grain of salt.
Just trying to be consistent with my meta :P

Lilac wrote:

I also do not like how NoHitter wanted to go for a "Two method" approach. What happened to those RQSs that you did so long ago? Why bring up someone else's way of scumhunting when you can just use your own and still be perfectly viable?
Because I discovered RQS to be ineffective. People would just answer the questions then activity would drop after that.

RE:Massclaim
Well I suppose that we can't proceed today with that many people not wanting to claim.
If we are to claim though, I suggest claiming in two parts. That way we get two chances to catch someone.
i.e. If someone claims Role A, and someone else claims Role A too OR if someone claims Character A, and someone claims character A too.

FoS: Sakura Hana
Sakura's acting pretty suspicious IMO.
Avoiding questions, and justifying everything by saying it was a "reaction test".
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Hello everyone. It's probably pretty obvious that I've been sitting back at this stage, but if anyone has any questions, I'll do my best to answer them.
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Jinxy: i thought i already said that i wasnt leaning town on Tanz and all my reads at that point where a reaction test.

NH: Fair enough i know my methods always get me suspected (and sometimes even lynched) D1, but hey i still like them.
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And I'm saying that you did not say you "[weren't] leaning town on Tanz and all [your] reads at that point [were] a reaction test" until you were called out on it by RB andused it to explain why you didn't answer the question
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And Royston, after reading the thread, what is your opinion / who stands out to you as scummy as of now? Provide reasons please. (e.g. what posts and why it make you think like that)
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Obviously i'm the scummiest person here, but disregarding the fact that what i did may look scummy, you cannot deny it sparked discussion that isn't related to NH's massclaim.
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Jinxy wrote:

And Royston, after reading the thread, what is your opinion / who stands out to you as scummy as of now? Provide reasons please. (e.g. what posts and why it make you think like that)
Let's see.

Tanzklaue wrote:

this is pyp, and also touhou. I think it's a safe bet that everyone is a PR

Tanzklaue wrote:

I am pretty convinced that everyone is a PR
This seems like a pretty big assumption to make without evidence, so it seems kind of odd to me. Not necessarily scummy, but odd.

OP wrote:

After signing up, please send me a forum pm with the names of 3 Touhou characters. I'll pick one of those characters, with a matching-ish ability to be your role.
note how it states " matching-ish ability to be your role" rather than simply "an ability and a role". But semantics.


regarding Sakura

Sakura wrote:

Everything will come with time, i wanna hear everyone's thoughts on why i'm townreading you to see if everyone's seeing the same thing i'm seeing..
in particular this statement earlier on confused the hell out of me and seems a werid way to start discussion? With that said, I also don't know why scum would want to draw attention to theselves like that so early on anyway, so meh
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We do not massclaim. Let's say that officially. We also don't do a half-massclaim as most people are also against it, but we have to establish we're all PRs. If Mafias are not PRs then it's fine because they're not gonna shoot each other.

Unvote
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fart x Sakura scum team yay.
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Raging Bull wrote:

fart x Sakura scum team yay.
Would you tell me why you think so
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Seems like after Jinxy started going on Sakura a little more, you voting for Jinxy as a way to protect her. I don't think you really even questioned her after she said she got a town read on you.
fartownik
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fartownik
I voted JInxy for his behavior only, I didn't care who in person he accused. He jumped from nowhere with an accusation on Sakura. No opinions about anything/anyone else, straight into 'being confused' about Sakura. Simply a way to post something looking-productive, but not really well done.
fartownik
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fartownik
Also I don't have a towntell on Sakura anyhow. She might be scum as well, even in a JInxy-Sakura lineup. The reaction tests were not towncred since she does them in all games, they were not enough to be a scumtell too, thus JInxy.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
I have this odd sense of deja vu from what farto said.

Except it's a bit different.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Okay, I cannot deny that, but what do you think about Sakura? Do you honestly think about her "reads" were more town read than starting discussion?

Also I'm wrong, apparently you did ask her a question. 1.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
WHAT THE FUCK. Fart answer my question before I posted.


vote:Fart
fartownik
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fartownik
Sakura did some weird stuff here, and I can't really tell if it was Town or scum yet. Her read on me in the first post was correct, so I was more leaning for Town in her. But later she went on with the 'reactiontestception' stuff, thus made me vague about that.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
imo seems weird how you easily accepted her town read on you.
Jinxy
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Jinxy
When I woke up, the whole massclaim discussion was pretty much done. For the record, I don't agree with massclaiming either, because the info at this point doesn't usually help town while it gives mafia more than enough information to plan out night actions, what I hoped it would achieve in StD.

The only other thing that caught my attention is RB's and Sakura's conversation so I brought it up. Sakura then proceeded to claim "reaction testing" in order to dodge NH's question (key thing here is that she never talked about the "testing" until she was called out for not answering questions) so obviously I wasn't going to let that slide and pressed further.
fartownik
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fartownik
@JInxy: mind sharing your reads on everyone?
Jinxy
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Jinxy
The massclaim discussion on a whole is pretty null, and only people that have talked about anything other than the massclaim are me, Lilac, NH, RB, Royston, Sakura and farto.

Lilac felt like he was scumpainting me a little with this post, but it's still kinda null to me.

NH is null, but confusing. His following of his meta is slightly scummy to me since suggesting a massclaim can be easily done by either scum or town so it looks like he's trying to play his "risky suggestion -> town" card without actually causing any harm to his team if he was scum, yet he casually admitted it to Rantai so I'm not really sure what to think.

Sakura is leaning scum due to question avoidance and convenient excuses, covered all that already.

RB is sorta null, maybe a little town for calling Sakura out but he also suddenly stopped so I'm putting him in null for now.

Ironically, I felt you jumped on me pretty suddenly too. At that point only the MC and Sakura's conversation were the main sticking topics and the former was more or less done as I said. This post also felt a little like a backtrack by trying to distance yourself from Sakura, so you're leaning scum for me.
Jinxy
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Jinxy
Whoops, forgot Royston. He's still null to me, his posts weren't particularly useful in any way.
Sakura
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Sakura
Well those reads kinda sux, everyone is null to scum!
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
it's still day 1, the reads can't possibly fleshed out.

besides, what is the problem with having no townread? as long as not everyone is null, the reads aren't useless. and even a full null read can have interesting aspects.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

Sakura wrote:

Well those reads kinda sux, everyone is null to scum!

Jinxy wrote:

Sakura is leaning scum due to question avoidance and convenient excuses, covered all that already.

:( Read Sakura.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

BRBP wrote:

Hi guys,
I won't participate in that massclaim.

Good night.
in other news, deep sleep.
Sakura
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Sakura
Yeah, i'd think if you're giving out a reads list you'd have more than that, but it seems to me like he was just fishing for town cred, i'm starting to get some suspicious of JInxy.
Jinxy
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Jinxy
Well excuse me princess, fartownik asked for it in case you didn't notice
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

Jinxy wrote:

Well excuse me princess, fartownik asked for it in case you didn't notice
+1 town cred right there.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
scum doesn't read.

sakura, i start to get suspicious of you.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
I honestly wish I could say more, but I just feel like we're not really getting anywhere right now ._.

Something I noticed, NH's massclaim idea was already denied by Tanz, fart, and Sakura pretty early on, yet he continued to insist on it for a fair bit. Though he might've just thought that since it's Touhou, it might have a better chance of working (since roles are also associated with characters). However, even after the massclaiming was blatantly denied by other people such as myself and Kanye, he still goes and says

NoHitter wrote:

If we are to claim though, I suggest claiming in two parts. That way we get two chances to catch someone.
i.e. If someone claims Role A, and someone else claims Role A too OR if someone claims Character A, and someone claims character A too.
I didn't fully understand what he meant by this, but I still think that mentioning this was somewhat unnecessary.

I really can't see anything in fartownik, don't know what to think of him.

Sakura, of course, is feeling really suspicious. After all of that "reaction testing" where are you going to go from there? I still haven't seen much from you since the reaction testing aside from getting townread in Kanye. Speaking of which, Kanye getting town points for analysis seemed really random and out of the blue, since he only made one post. Unless of course, we're still "reaction testing".
Sakura's excuse for his scummy behaviour is that even though his methods make him scummy, he still likes them. Okay, fine, are your methods working then? Do you have any sort of results?

I'm slowly beginning to want to see something from BRBP.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
well I'm going to sleep so I hope you guys post a lot without me so I can post to myself when I'm awake and you guys are all asleep.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Sakura is definitely pinging me.
Not only is she blatantly admitting to being scummy, but she's also continuing to dig her own grave.
I'm starting to smell a Jester here.

@Harris73
I was just stating how the massclaim should proceed when it does.
pieguyn
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Topic Starter
pieguyn
Votecount 1.2:

NoHItter (1) - Kanye West
Jinxy (1) -fartownik
Sakura
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Sakura
Nah i missed fartownik's question, and nope i'm not reaction testing anymore. Raging Bull is bothering me latching onto the weakest things to place suspicion, like scum looking for the weakest target to attack.
Sakura
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Sakura
^
I meant tanz my bad
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