So you think scum are not PRs by this? Even if they claim the flavor + role they might be null reads because they might be PRs as well (and they probably are anyways).NoHitter wrote:
Incidentally guys, for this setup, we need to massclaim both the character and the role. The abilities should correlate with the character through some way.
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NH: How is it beneficial to town to inform scum of any possible OP roles?
Please tell me and I will say if I think you're Town.Sakura wrote:
I am aware of that, the point of the discussion is whether you can guess why i'm townreading farto.NoHitter wrote:
And Sakura, when you give out your reads, give your reasoning.
Well that's a horrible point of discussion then.
It looks as if you're getting us to say why "farto is town" then you'd just say "correct" and sheep one of the reasons given even if that wasn't your original reason.
It looks as if you're getting us to say why "farto is town" then you'd just say "correct" and sheep one of the reasons given even if that wasn't your original reason.
Everything will come with time, i wanna hear everyone's thoughts on why i'm townreading you to see if everyone's seeing the same thing i'm seeing.
NH, fart said he wants to wait for more people to discuss, instead of directly forcing the massclaim out. for me, that is a questioning-ish action.
also, I won't claim.
also, I won't claim.
I'm conditioned now to always feel like a lightning stroke me down whenever someone wants to massclaim day 1.
I'm not NoHitter to claim in my first post already. I'm also not sure of all the pluses and minuses the action might give in the future, though I'm waiting for the opinions.Tanzklaue wrote:
NH, fart said he wants to wait for more people to discuss, instead of directly forcing the massclaim out. for me, that is a questioning-ish action.
also, I won't claim.
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@fartownik: Flavor and common sense
Unless the mod made safeclaims, you'd expect scum roles to exist outside of traditional "town" roles. Also if the flavor of the character they claim doesn't quite fit the description, then lynch. I'm sure we have enough flavor-expert people to verify this.
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@fartownik: Flavor and common sense
Unless the mod made safeclaims, you'd expect scum roles to exist outside of traditional "town" roles. Also if the flavor of the character they claim doesn't quite fit the description, then lynch. I'm sure we have enough flavor-expert people to verify this.
It's the same reason as in Stacking the Deck. You may inform them yes, but in turn you also get information that will help town lynch them or plan ahead.Sakura wrote:
NH: How is it beneficial to town to inform scum of any possible OP roles?
I townread fartownik because of noticing the blatant sheeping I did, and I asked to discuss that so we got out of RVS fast and we can start hunting information, and I love how I already got some reactions from my point of discussion.
Leaning Town: fartownik, Tanz
Leaning Scum: NH.
Null: Everyone else.
And no massclaiming PRs is not a good idea to hunt information.
Leaning Town: fartownik, Tanz
Leaning Scum: NH.
Null: Everyone else.
And no massclaiming PRs is not a good idea to hunt information.
claiming only PR has no pluses nor minuses.
claiming the exact roles doesn't help town all that much, while scum can pick out the better townroles.
claiming the exact roles doesn't help town all that much, while scum can pick out the better townroles.
And didnt you say, there were no VTs?
there arn't. but killing for example a cop is better than killing a FBI agent (I struggled to find a really useless role lol)
There may be a cop yes, there also may be a doctor, who's the scum gonna shoot first?
doctor, since you can't shoot the cop if the doctor has a functioning brain.
So NH care to tell me why you think it would work, in the most likely scenario that we are all PRs?
Or did you want to claim everyone's abilities so you and your scumbuddies take out the most OP ones?
Or did you want to claim everyone's abilities so you and your scumbuddies take out the most OP ones?
I'm all for not claiming the exact roles in this game. This is different than Stack the Deck. The only thing we should do is to half-claim.
@Sakura: I don't see how anyone wouldn't notice you sheeping to me. Everyone noticed that and that doesn't mean everyone's Town.
@Sakura: I don't see how anyone wouldn't notice you sheeping to me. Everyone noticed that and that doesn't mean everyone's Town.
Yeah, but you thought i was scum for doing so.
I'm psure he just joked around.
Sakura wrote:
I am aware of that, the point of the discussion is whether you can guess why i'm townreading farto.NoHitter wrote:
And Sakura, when you give out your reads, give your reasoning.
Care to tell us why Tanz is leaning town, and I'm leaning scum?Sakura wrote:
I townread fartownik because of noticing the blatant sheeping I did, and I asked to discuss that so we got out of RVS fast and we can start hunting information, and I love how I already got some reactions from my point of discussion.
Leaning Town: fartownik, Tanz
Leaning Scum: NH.
Null: Everyone else.
And no massclaiming PRs is not a good idea to hunt information.
Nice scumpainting there.Sakura wrote:
So NH care to tell me why you think it would work, in the most likely scenario that we are all PRs?
Or did you want to claim everyone's abilities so you and your scumbuddies take out the most OP ones?
If we were all PR's then let me repeat what I told you:
1) Flavor - if a character's flavor does not match with his/her role, lynch
2) Setup - some roles will be deemed questionable if placed in a town sense: i.e. Roleblocker; also, some roles are technically hand in hand with each other: A Watcher will almost all the time be paired with a Tracker, etc. If any inconsistencies pop out, lynch
Tbh I'm pretty sure everyone is PR, this is Touhou after all.fartownik wrote:
I'm all for not claiming the exact roles in this game. This is different than Stack the Deck. The only thing we should do is to half-claim
In the first Touhou PyP, also hosted by pieguy, everyone was PR too.
Once again we're have the "PR roles saving us" VS "We lynch mafia based on info" debate.
@NH: Why do you think i'm scumpainting and not reaction testing?
@Tanz: You are gonna dismiss RVS as jokes?
@Tanz: You are gonna dismiss RVS as jokes?
@Sakura: Because you added "you and your scumbuddies". If you were really reaction testing, you would have just said I was "scum", but you took a step further than that.
RVS is, for the most part, joking and dicking around. sure, some people try to do mindgames and you occasionally have scum crossvoting each other or other shenanigans, and occasionally a new player totally flips out, but it's mostly not-so-useful information.Sakura wrote:
@NH: Why do you think i'm scumpainting and not reaction testing?
@Tanz: You are gonna dismiss RVS as jokes?
Not really, at the start of a game all info you have is your Role PM, and your Role PM is what will guide your actions towards getting info, dismissing RVS as a joke stage is detrimental to town, question and use everything, even RVS actions to find scum.
@NH: Yeah because if i'm using the term "You're scum" then you have a team of scumbuddies, I'm basically calling you out on scum and see how you'd react on that to either strengthen or weaken my scumread on you, so far it has gone nowhere.
@NH: Yeah because if i'm using the term "You're scum" then you have a team of scumbuddies, I'm basically calling you out on scum and see how you'd react on that to either strengthen or weaken my scumread on you, so far it has gone nowhere.
I'm not so sure if you can call it not-so-useful information, but I do agree that it looked like you guys were just joking...Tanzklaue wrote:
RVS is, for the most part, joking and dicking around. sure, some people try to do mindgames and you occasionally have scum crossvoting each other or other shenanigans, and occasionally a new player totally flips out, but it's mostly not-so-useful information.Sakura wrote:
@NH: Why do you think i'm scumpainting and not reaction testing?
@Tanz: You are gonna dismiss RVS as jokes?
Also, why does the action have to start as soon as I'm getting ready to leave for home...? ._.
I don't even know how many pages to expect to read through once I get home D:
@NoHitter: you base the success of your massclaim on the theory that Mafia PRs will differ from regular Town PRs. What if not? What if the PRs were picked randomly and we will end up being in the ass with all claimed PRs + flavors? Tbh this is quite possible and I wouldn't risk doing this right now.
I'm not sure if everyone has that kind of mindset at the start of the game. You may take it seriously, but a lot of people (myself included) don't take it seriously. That's why I usually opt for RQS or not starting with RVS at all.Sakura wrote:
Not really, at the start of a game all info you have is your Role PM, and your Role PM is what will guide your actions towards getting info, dismissing RVS as a joke stage is detrimental to town, question and use everything, even RVS actions to find scum.
Yes I know about reaction testing, but you did it in a way that you also scumpainted me. You didn't exactly call me out "I think NH is scum.". You instead subtly implied it by saying that I had "scumbuddies", thus scumpainted.Sakura wrote:
@NH: Yeah because if i'm using the term "You're scum" then you have a team of scumbuddies, I'm basically calling you out on scum and see how you'd react on that to either strengthen or weaken my scumread on you, so far it has gone nowhere.
I'm not convinced that Scum Doctors, and Scum Alignment Cops would exist.fartownik wrote:
@NoHitter: you base the success of your massclaim on the theory that Mafia PRs will differ from regular Town PRs. What if not? What if the PRs were picked randomly and we will end up being in the ass with all claimed PRs + flavors? Tbh this is quite possible and I wouldn't risk doing this right now.
Scum PRs are restricted to certain types that we can pinpoint them.
Not only this but,fartownik wrote:
@NoHitter: you base the success of your massclaim on the theory that Mafia PRs will differ from regular Town PRs. What if not? What if the PRs were picked randomly and we will end up being in the ass with all claimed PRs + flavors? Tbh this is quite possible and I wouldn't risk doing this right now.
Anyone who knows their toohoos really well can pick and fakeclaim a suitable Touhou character which hasn't been taken by anyone else, since there are so many of them. On top of this, not all of the Touhou characters fit with the mafia roles perfectly, yet can be paired with them anyways because we only offered 3 characters each to pieguy.NoHitter wrote:
If we were all PR's then let me repeat what I told you:
1) Flavor - if a character's flavor does not match with his/her role, lynch
Even if you say you don't take it seriously, in reality you are, psychologically you are really basing your choices and arguments off your own beliefs given by your role PM, as random as you want to be, you aren't going to be.
Besides, being random is detrimental to town anyway, as in actually using RNG to decide who to vote during RVS, but at least you gotta come up with a reason, and i have the right to question said reason, and see your reactions and judge your alignment based on it.
No matter how much you want to dismiss RVS as random, it never truly is, what RVS is is just a stage of not enough information, so we take steps towards getting said information.
You try to get information by getting massclaims, which will just be detrimental to town in the end, imagine we only have 1 OP town role, and is dead, what's next.
Besides, being random is detrimental to town anyway, as in actually using RNG to decide who to vote during RVS, but at least you gotta come up with a reason, and i have the right to question said reason, and see your reactions and judge your alignment based on it.
No matter how much you want to dismiss RVS as random, it never truly is, what RVS is is just a stage of not enough information, so we take steps towards getting said information.
You try to get information by getting massclaims, which will just be detrimental to town in the end, imagine we only have 1 OP town role, and is dead, what's next.
@Kitsunemimi
Precisely why I suggested we claim from a specific time X to Y. That way scum will have less time to fakeclaim.
@Sakura
Then we lynch the scum through the info we get? Honestly, this argument is just going around in circles.
If this was a mountainous setup, we would be doing the same thing: lynch scum based on the info.
Anyway, I really have to sleep now.
Precisely why I suggested we claim from a specific time X to Y. That way scum will have less time to fakeclaim.
@Sakura
Then we lynch the scum through the info we get? Honestly, this argument is just going around in circles.
If this was a mountainous setup, we would be doing the same thing: lynch scum based on the info.
Anyway, I really have to sleep now.
As I said, if they're good, they can do it faster than some people who have certain obligations, or are restricted to timezones.NoHitter wrote:
@Kitsunemimi
Precisely why I suggested we claim from a specific time X to Y. That way scum will have less time to fakeclaim.
I just don't think it's reliable enough to be worth revealing all our roles.
Better to do that, than massclaim to rely on PRs, if you want to massclaim to it at D2 at the earliest, when everyone will have to justify their night actions.
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Votecount 1.1:
Sakura (1) - fartownik
Kanye West (1) - Tanzklaue
NoHItter (1) - Kanye West
Sakura (1) - fartownik
Kanye West (1) - Tanzklaue
NoHItter (1) - Kanye West
Unvote: Kanye
or i guess just Unvote...
anyway, should lay down the RV now.
anyway, should lay down the RV now.
Are you townreading kanye now?
what, no
I didn't had any deeper thoughts behind my RV. I voted him because we are circle clicking buddies of some sorts.
really, you're reading to deep into this. I am null on kanye, and there is no reason to vote someone who is null at this stage of the game.
I didn't had any deeper thoughts behind my RV. I voted him because we are circle clicking buddies of some sorts.
really, you're reading to deep into this. I am null on kanye, and there is no reason to vote someone who is null at this stage of the game.
besides how should I townread anyone who only posted a RV himself and a "I just woke up" (or scumread, for a fact)
Then what do you plan on doing with your vote?, I never said you townread him, but if he's null, then why does unvoting him help you figure out his alignment?
it doesn't. how does a random vote sitting on him help me?
Pressure
I'm sure he had a very pressured day/night, and it didn't help much anyway.
Don't tell me you brought in his real life situation into this...
...Really? Also, I'm here to see Sakura talk. Mew.
...Really? Also, I'm here to see Sakura talk. Mew.
Damn, most people are actually going to sleep, I might have to change my schedule a bit to actually compensate for this.
australia too weak.
Kinda weird how you unvoted me if you still have a null read on me tbh.
And massclaiming is a very bad idea, even if we say whether we are a PR or not. It'll help scum more than town, as by this point, scum will probably have enough time to come up with a good fakeclaim (I'm pretty sure everyone here, or almost everyone, knows enough about Touhou characters to come up with a good fakeclaim anyways).
@Kitsunemimi keep in mind many roles can be town or mafia. Even if we MC, it may not even help town decide a lynch.
And massclaiming is a very bad idea, even if we say whether we are a PR or not. It'll help scum more than town, as by this point, scum will probably have enough time to come up with a good fakeclaim (I'm pretty sure everyone here, or almost everyone, knows enough about Touhou characters to come up with a good fakeclaim anyways).
@Kitsunemimi keep in mind many roles can be town or mafia. Even if we MC, it may not even help town decide a lynch.
Kanye gets town points for analysis.
Kanye West wrote:
@Kitsunemimi keep in mind many roles can be town or mafia. Even if we MC, it may not even help town decide a lynch.
You basically repeated what I said in my earlier posts actually.Kitsunemimi wrote:
I just don't think it's reliable enough to be worth revealing all our roles.
Unless you meant for that to be directed at NoHItter, in which case, yeah, exactly 
oh I was replying to this, pretty much just saying that even though a character may suggest a town alignment, it can be given a role that can be town or mafia.Kitsunemimi wrote:
On top of this, not all of the Touhou characters fit with the mafia roles perfectly, yet can be paired with them anyways because we only offered 3 characters each to pieguy.
Kanye gave a reason...
...You just kinda gave a...reliability issue... You know...?
...You just kinda gave a...reliability issue... You know...?
@Kanye: Oh, when I said "mafia", I meant the game as a whole, not the specific alignment >.<
And Lilac, a reliability issue IS a reason not to massclaim. Well at least that was what I was trying to point out.
And Lilac, a reliability issue IS a reason not to massclaim. Well at least that was what I was trying to point out.
also pieguy can get pretty creative, and many characters could be multiple things.
Woo hoo another double post (maybe)
Anyways, we agree on not mass claiming right? Because it can cause problems, and has "reliability issues".
The thing is, I've still barely played any mafia, so I don't know where exactly to go from here.
Anyways, we agree on not mass claiming right? Because it can cause problems, and has "reliability issues".
The thing is, I've still barely played any mafia, so I don't know where exactly to go from here.
Not on D1 no.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Anyways, we agree on not mass claiming right?
Woke up.
So don't wanna sound like broken record, but I don't think mass claiming would be beneficial at all, especially what Kanye said.
Although personally I'm rather suspicious on Sakura. Scumpainting NH, and townreading other people. it seems like she's just trying to get towncred early on in the game.
@Sakura, you haven't answered Nh's question. Why do you think he's scum and Tanz is town? What did you read to think they are scum/town? I'm actually reading NH more town than you are. His questioning on you and your reads without reasoning perhaps made you nervous a bit.
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So don't wanna sound like broken record, but I don't think mass claiming would be beneficial at all, especially what Kanye said.
Although personally I'm rather suspicious on Sakura. Scumpainting NH, and townreading other people. it seems like she's just trying to get towncred early on in the game.
@Sakura, you haven't answered Nh's question. Why do you think he's scum and Tanz is town? What did you read to think they are scum/town? I'm actually reading NH more town than you are. His questioning on you and your reads without reasoning perhaps made you nervous a bit.
I mean truthfully, you blatantly said "sheeping to fart" who the hell cannot see it? (besides people who don't read the threadSakura wrote:
I townread fartownik because of noticing the blatant sheeping I did
)Sounds cool.Tanzklaue wrote:
I'm conditioned now to always feel like a lightning stroke me down whenever someone wants to massclaim day 1.
RB: have you ever heard of reaction tests?
I was not aware that ignoring a question is a reaction test.
No, the reads were, tbh the only person im townreading atm is Kanye.Raging Bull wrote:
I was not aware that ignoring a question is a reaction test.
Wait what? Now you aren't townreading Tanz/fart?
I never did, are you even reading? I wanted to gauge reactions from people to me townreading fart outta nowhere.Raging Bull wrote:
Wait what? Now you aren't townreading Tanz/fart?
It seems like I can't read...or understand sarcasm...Sakura wrote:
So here's some discussion.
I got a townread on fartownik, discuss!
I don't even know.
Not enough sleep.Raging Bull wrote:
I mean truthfully, you blatantly said "sheeping to fart" who the hell cannot see it? (besides people who don't read the thread
You made it sound quite like a legitimate statement, pretty nice though...
...Umm, I thought breakfast would help but it doesn't seem like it...uhh... Let me get back to what I think when I can actually think...
...Umm, I thought breakfast would help but it doesn't seem like it...uhh... Let me get back to what I think when I can actually think...
Ok so I am getting kinda confused with Sakura right now
So just what exactly are you really saying that is real? You seem to be saying stuff and then backing out and explaining it away as you were "just testing" when you get called out upon.
Sakura wrote:
I never did, are you even reading? I wanted to gauge reactions from people to me townreading fart outta nowhere.Raging Bull wrote:
Wait what? Now you aren't townreading Tanz/fart?
This post was after Sakura's reaction test and she never talked about it not being real until RB called her out and she just explained it as a "reaction test".Sakura wrote:
I townread fartownik because of noticing the blatant sheeping I did, and I asked to discuss that so we got out of RVS fast and we can start hunting information, and I love how I already got some reactions from my point of discussion.
Leaning Town: fartownik, Tanz
Leaning Scum: NH.
Null: Everyone else.
And no massclaiming PRs is not a good idea to hunt information.
So just what exactly are you really saying that is real? You seem to be saying stuff and then backing out and explaining it away as you were "just testing" when you get called out upon.
Everything until that post, including that post was reaction testing, I wanted to see how people would react to my reads out of nowhere or silly reasons, i thought i explained that already?
Well, you explained some, but you never touched on the fart/Tanz.
From NH's post:
From NH's post:
On the last post of page 10, you talked about gauging reactions on townreading fart in reply to RB, and specifically ignored Tanz, too.NoHitter wrote:
Care to tell us why Tanz is leaning town, and I'm leaning scum? <Not Answered, specifically the underlined part>Sakura wrote:
I townread fartownik because of noticing the blatant sheeping I did, and I asked to discuss that so we got out of RVS fast and we can start hunting information, and I love how I already got some reactions from my point of discussion.
Leaning Town: fartownik, Tanz
Leaning Scum: NH.
Null: Everyone else.
And no massclaiming PRs is not a good idea to hunt information.Nice scumpainting there. <Answered>Sakura wrote:
So NH care to tell me why you think it would work, in the most likely scenario that we are all PRs?
Or did you want to claim everyone's abilities so you and your scumbuddies take out the most OP ones?
Good "morning".
Following up though, no thank you to massclaim. Day 2 (due to actual actions being made) maybe but day 1 gives the mafia a better chance at organising their actions based on claims.
You know I feel like NH is trying to meta game this time (with specific mention to his statement last game - he's town if he suggests something ridiculous). Then again I don't really like meta so I'm taking it with a grain of salt.NoHitter wrote:
Hi guys.
Two's method again? It worked last time
Following up though, no thank you to massclaim. Day 2 (due to actual actions being made) maybe but day 1 gives the mafia a better chance at organising their actions based on claims.
Okay, here's what I have to say.
I also do not like how NoHitter wanted to go for a "Two method" approach. What happened to those RQSs that you did so long ago? Why bring up someone else's way of scumhunting when you can just use your own and still be perfectly viable?
The reason why I think we should not claim or even half-claim as farto states is that it simply anyone could still be mafia. I trust pieguy is very story heavy so anyone who comes across Flandre, a vampire who can destroy anything...any character in the Touhou series would probably want her dead, there would be no need to fakeclaim since anyone can claim anything and we're back at square one for town and a whole buncha choices for mafia.
Also, a Rantai.
Incorrect, Salvage was normal Mafia Goon. However, I'm pretty sure pieguy actually made everyone PR now, at least that was what we learnt when we did the first Touhou game.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Tbh I'm pretty sure everyone is PR, this is Touhou after all.fartownik wrote:
I'm all for not claiming the exact roles in this game. This is different than Stack the Deck. The only thing we should do is to half-claim
In the first Touhou PyP, also hosted by pieguy, everyone was PR too.
I also do not like how NoHitter wanted to go for a "Two method" approach. What happened to those RQSs that you did so long ago? Why bring up someone else's way of scumhunting when you can just use your own and still be perfectly viable?
The reason why I think we should not claim or even half-claim as farto states is that it simply anyone could still be mafia. I trust pieguy is very story heavy so anyone who comes across Flandre, a vampire who can destroy anything...any character in the Touhou series would probably want her dead, there would be no need to fakeclaim since anyone can claim anything and we're back at square one for town and a whole buncha choices for mafia.
Also, a Rantai.
Just trying to be consistent with my metaRantai wrote:
You know I feel like NH is trying to meta game this time (with specific mention to his statement last game - he's town if he suggests something ridiculous). Then again I don't really like meta so I'm taking it with a grain of salt.
Because I discovered RQS to be ineffective. People would just answer the questions then activity would drop after that.Lilac wrote:
I also do not like how NoHitter wanted to go for a "Two method" approach. What happened to those RQSs that you did so long ago? Why bring up someone else's way of scumhunting when you can just use your own and still be perfectly viable?
RE:Massclaim
Well I suppose that we can't proceed today with that many people not wanting to claim.
If we are to claim though, I suggest claiming in two parts. That way we get two chances to catch someone.
i.e. If someone claims Role A, and someone else claims Role A too OR if someone claims Character A, and someone claims character A too.
FoS: Sakura Hana
Sakura's acting pretty suspicious IMO.
Avoiding questions, and justifying everything by saying it was a "reaction test".
Hello everyone. It's probably pretty obvious that I've been sitting back at this stage, but if anyone has any questions, I'll do my best to answer them.
Jinxy: i thought i already said that i wasnt leaning town on Tanz and all my reads at that point where a reaction test.
NH: Fair enough i know my methods always get me suspected (and sometimes even lynched) D1, but hey i still like them.
NH: Fair enough i know my methods always get me suspected (and sometimes even lynched) D1, but hey i still like them.
And I'm saying that you did not say you "[weren't] leaning town on Tanz and all [your] reads at that point [were] a reaction test" until you were called out on it by RB andused it to explain why you didn't answer the question
And Royston, after reading the thread, what is your opinion / who stands out to you as scummy as of now? Provide reasons please. (e.g. what posts and why it make you think like that)
Obviously i'm the scummiest person here, but disregarding the fact that what i did may look scummy, you cannot deny it sparked discussion that isn't related to NH's massclaim.
Let's see.Jinxy wrote:
And Royston, after reading the thread, what is your opinion / who stands out to you as scummy as of now? Provide reasons please. (e.g. what posts and why it make you think like that)
Tanzklaue wrote:
this is pyp, and also touhou. I think it's a safe bet that everyone is a PR
This seems like a pretty big assumption to make without evidence, so it seems kind of odd to me. Not necessarily scummy, but odd.Tanzklaue wrote:
I am pretty convinced that everyone is a PR
note how it states " matching-ish ability to be your role" rather than simply "an ability and a role". But semantics.OP wrote:
After signing up, please send me a forum pm with the names of 3 Touhou characters. I'll pick one of those characters, with a matching-ish ability to be your role.
regarding Sakura
in particular this statement earlier on confused the hell out of me and seems a werid way to start discussion? With that said, I also don't know why scum would want to draw attention to theselves like that so early on anyway, so mehSakura wrote:
Everything will come with time, i wanna hear everyone's thoughts on why i'm townreading you to see if everyone's seeing the same thing i'm seeing..
We do not massclaim. Let's say that officially. We also don't do a half-massclaim as most people are also against it, but we have to establish we're all PRs. If Mafias are not PRs then it's fine because they're not gonna shoot each other.
Unvote
Vote: JInxy
Unvote
Vote: JInxy
fart x Sakura scum team yay.
Would you tell me why you think soRaging Bull wrote:
fart x Sakura scum team yay.
Seems like after Jinxy started going on Sakura a little more, you voting for Jinxy as a way to protect her. I don't think you really even questioned her after she said she got a town read on you.
I voted JInxy for his behavior only, I didn't care who in person he accused. He jumped from nowhere with an accusation on Sakura. No opinions about anything/anyone else, straight into 'being confused' about Sakura. Simply a way to post something looking-productive, but not really well done.
Also I don't have a towntell on Sakura anyhow. She might be scum as well, even in a JInxy-Sakura lineup. The reaction tests were not towncred since she does them in all games, they were not enough to be a scumtell too, thus JInxy.
Okay, I cannot deny that, but what do you think about Sakura? Do you honestly think about her "reads" were more town read than starting discussion?
Also I'm wrong, apparently you did ask her a question. 1.
Also I'm wrong, apparently you did ask her a question. 1.
WHAT THE FUCK. Fart answer my question before I posted.
vote:Fart
Sakura did some weird stuff here, and I can't really tell if it was Town or scum yet. Her read on me in the first post was correct, so I was more leaning for Town in her. But later she went on with the 'reactiontestception' stuff, thus made me vague about that.
imo seems weird how you easily accepted her town read on you.
When I woke up, the whole massclaim discussion was pretty much done. For the record, I don't agree with massclaiming either, because the info at this point doesn't usually help town while it gives mafia more than enough information to plan out night actions, what I hoped it would achieve in StD.
The only other thing that caught my attention is RB's and Sakura's conversation so I brought it up. Sakura then proceeded to claim "reaction testing" in order to dodge NH's question (key thing here is that she never talked about the "testing" until she was called out for not answering questions) so obviously I wasn't going to let that slide and pressed further.
The only other thing that caught my attention is RB's and Sakura's conversation so I brought it up. Sakura then proceeded to claim "reaction testing" in order to dodge NH's question (key thing here is that she never talked about the "testing" until she was called out for not answering questions) so obviously I wasn't going to let that slide and pressed further.
@JInxy: mind sharing your reads on everyone?
The massclaim discussion on a whole is pretty null, and only people that have talked about anything other than the massclaim are me, Lilac, NH, RB, Royston, Sakura and farto.
Lilac felt like he was scumpainting me a little with this post, but it's still kinda null to me.
NH is null, but confusing. His following of his meta is slightly scummy to me since suggesting a massclaim can be easily done by either scum or town so it looks like he's trying to play his "risky suggestion -> town" card without actually causing any harm to his team if he was scum, yet he casually admitted it to Rantai so I'm not really sure what to think.
Sakura is leaning scum due to question avoidance and convenient excuses, covered all that already.
RB is sorta null, maybe a little town for calling Sakura out but he also suddenly stopped so I'm putting him in null for now.
Ironically, I felt you jumped on me pretty suddenly too. At that point only the MC and Sakura's conversation were the main sticking topics and the former was more or less done as I said. This post also felt a little like a backtrack by trying to distance yourself from Sakura, so you're leaning scum for me.
Lilac felt like he was scumpainting me a little with this post, but it's still kinda null to me.
NH is null, but confusing. His following of his meta is slightly scummy to me since suggesting a massclaim can be easily done by either scum or town so it looks like he's trying to play his "risky suggestion -> town" card without actually causing any harm to his team if he was scum, yet he casually admitted it to Rantai so I'm not really sure what to think.
Sakura is leaning scum due to question avoidance and convenient excuses, covered all that already.
RB is sorta null, maybe a little town for calling Sakura out but he also suddenly stopped so I'm putting him in null for now.
Ironically, I felt you jumped on me pretty suddenly too. At that point only the MC and Sakura's conversation were the main sticking topics and the former was more or less done as I said. This post also felt a little like a backtrack by trying to distance yourself from Sakura, so you're leaning scum for me.
Whoops, forgot Royston. He's still null to me, his posts weren't particularly useful in any way.
Well those reads kinda sux, everyone is null to scum!
it's still day 1, the reads can't possibly fleshed out.
besides, what is the problem with having no townread? as long as not everyone is null, the reads aren't useless. and even a full null read can have interesting aspects.
besides, what is the problem with having no townread? as long as not everyone is null, the reads aren't useless. and even a full null read can have interesting aspects.
Sakura wrote:
Well those reads kinda sux, everyone is null to scum!
Jinxy wrote:
Sakura is leaning scum due to question avoidance and convenient excuses, covered all that already.
Read Sakura.in other news, deep sleep.BRBP wrote:
Hi guys,
I won't participate in that massclaim.
Good night.
Yeah, i'd think if you're giving out a reads list you'd have more than that, but it seems to me like he was just fishing for town cred, i'm starting to get some suspicious of JInxy.