Sublime Text 2.apaffy wrote:
(And what text editor is that, looks nice?)
forum
New ranking/modding system development
posted
Total Posts
118
Yeah, saw the title in the stream not too long after. Thanks.Babycake wrote:
Sublime Text 2.apaffy wrote:
(And what text editor is that, looks nice?)
Topic Starter
They will filter out over time. The number "8" may change depending on how we can handle it. The main idea here isn't to increase the number of ranked maps, but to change the focus on which maps are ranked, giving all maps an equal chance.apaffy wrote:
A lot of detailed information.
Hypothetical, what if more than eight maps reach the qualification critera on the same day. How are you going to have those maps staying in there for only 7 days if you're only letting through 8 a time? Wouldn't some of them stay in there longer than that. Long shot I know, but it could happen. That's the only question I have off the top of my head, and the proposal seems nice otherwise.(And what text editor is that, looks nice?)
it is a good idea for all mappers, but i'm worried about new mappers who wanna join the new system since their have no sp at all and no experience in modding.peppy wrote:
They will filter out over time. The number "8" may change depending on how we can handle it. The main idea here isn't to increase the number of ranked maps, but to change the focus on which maps are ranked, giving all maps an equal chance.apaffy wrote:
A lot of detailed information.
Hypothetical, what if more than eight maps reach the qualification critera on the same day. How are you going to have those maps staying in there for only 7 days if you're only letting through 8 a time? Wouldn't some of them stay in there longer than that. Long shot I know, but it could happen. That's the only question I have off the top of my head, and the proposal seems nice otherwise.(And what text editor is that, looks nice?)
if it is possible to help new mappers like "if you have no ranked map then point request reduce to 100 or 150" ?
Topic Starter
Star priority is not part of this system. When a modder mods a map from the queue, and if they find no issues with it, they will nominate it. THis means that even unknown mappers can get nominations via the queue.
what will happen with kudosu?
Only mods from the queue and assignments/session counts in the score?
Topic Starter
kudosu will eventually be deprecated.deadbeat wrote:
what will happen with kudosu?
please read the design document.neonat wrote:
Only mods from the queue and assignments/session counts in the score?
If this is going to be true, this system is going to be groovy.peppy wrote:
THis means that even unknown mappers can get nominations via the queue.
i see..peppy wrote:
Star priority is not part of this system. When a modder mods a map from the queue, and if they find no issues with it, they will nominate it. THis means that even unknown mappers can get nominations via the queue.
but how about the "chance". I means, if there're thousands maps in the queue already, how about the oppotunity that the map is noticed by others?
another problem.. what about mode speicific mapsets like Mania? it may be a big trouble if i meet it.
edit : one more question: if it is much more hard for Mania/Taiko maps to gather enough support?
Topic Starter
See design doc for mode-specific stuff.
Queue priority settings can be adjusted depending on how people feel their maps are getting attention. The important part is having the framework in place.
Queue priority settings can be adjusted depending on how people feel their maps are getting attention. The important part is having the framework in place.
Might want to cut of that list over posts in a mapthread, and have it expand on mouse-over:
http://puu.sh/2HntI.png
It kind of obstructs the view of everything else, and it's not really that useful in most cases.
http://puu.sh/2HntI.png
It kind of obstructs the view of everything else, and it's not really that useful in most cases.
Topic Starter
I plan on making it more useful and logical. It's by no means anywhere near final.
I like where this is going, keep it up.
If star priority isn't necessary for ranking maps anymore, what's stopping someone from asking three people who has qualifications in approving a map from just posting in his map without going through the queue?
What about modders who see nothing unrankable from the map, but want to give small suggestions. Based on the pending map not being updated, and if by removing it, you reset its place in the queue, mappers will be discouraged from making these fixes.
Will BATs have maximum amount of modder rank since we already are deemed qualified?
What about modders who see nothing unrankable from the map, but want to give small suggestions. Based on the pending map not being updated, and if by removing it, you reset its place in the queue, mappers will be discouraged from making these fixes.
Will BATs have maximum amount of modder rank since we already are deemed qualified?
Topic Starter
This is fine assuming the map is ready for ranking (has no issues). If it has issues they will be penalised when it is bumped out of qualified criteria.NoHitter wrote:
If star priority isn't necessary for ranking maps anymore, what's stopping someone from asking three people who has qualifications in approving a map from just posting in his map without going through the queue?
Their position in queue is already low after it has been assigned modders (each mod assigned drops the position in queue). Position in queue doesn't mean much after you already have modders assigned. It is assumed to some extent that those modders will carry on looking at your map until it is ready.NoHitter wrote:
What about modders who see nothing unrankable from the map, but want to give small suggestions. Based on the pending map not being updated, and if by removing it, you reset its place in the queue, mappers will be discouraged from making these fixes.
No.NoHitter wrote:
Will BATs have maximum amount of modder rank since we already are deemed qualified?
Pretty nice system. I can't imagine myself getting that much points if the maps I get queued is not interesting to mod.
.....One question though... What will happen if let's say there is 70 nominated maps in total one day. Eight maps per day is only allowed to get ranked yet everything needs to get ranked in 7 days. Will there be a system to prevent the amount of nominated maps other than it's takes a time to get the power to nominate?
.....One question though... What will happen if let's say there is 70 nominated maps in total one day. Eight maps per day is only allowed to get ranked yet everything needs to get ranked in 7 days. Will there be a system to prevent the amount of nominated maps other than it's takes a time to get the power to nominate?
Kodora
No. Sorry, but no. As for me system have some very bad issues.
1) Forcing people to mod this will affect the mods quality. Some people may just do not want to mod maps (and ofc lose their rating). So they will write mods "just to skip this map" (like "add new combo & clap, good luck")
2) How those maps list was builded? Due to Star Priority? But sometimes people just abuse the system (maps with bad quality have SP +50, 60, 80, and most of stars are from creator). Most of modders may just do not want to mod this. How they can be forced?
I think this idea overral is nice, but still needs work a lot. Thanks.
1) Forcing people to mod this will affect the mods quality. Some people may just do not want to mod maps (and ofc lose their rating). So they will write mods "just to skip this map" (like "add new combo & clap, good luck")
2) How those maps list was builded? Due to Star Priority? But sometimes people just abuse the system (maps with bad quality have SP +50, 60, 80, and most of stars are from creator). Most of modders may just do not want to mod this. How they can be forced?
I think this idea overral is nice, but still needs work a lot. Thanks.
Topic Starter
Please read the design document. This is already discussed (see the comments area if it isn't in the document itself).
new system looks great 
I don't know if I understand the system correctly but I am just afraid of the loss of mapper's choose-what-to-mod power.
Edit:
If this happens, there will soon be no new mappers anymore. And many of mappers may AFK.
Edit:
If this happens, there will soon be no new mappers anymore. And many of mappers may AFK.
As 'qualified' maps will get a scoreboard, will they also give pp ?
I really like the concept anyway ! (People will eventually stop saying "lel BATs are corrupted they only rank their friends' map lelel").
I really like the concept anyway ! (People will eventually stop saying "lel BATs are corrupted they only rank their friends' map lelel").
I'd like to choose what I mod, and I'd like to do it when I have the motivation to do it.
Modding takes, depending on the mapset, about 2 hours for me. That's not something I can/want to do every day.
Modding takes, depending on the mapset, about 2 hours for me. That's not something I can/want to do every day.
You lose .6 mod score every day that you don't make a mod post.Zarerion wrote:
I'd like to choose what I mod, and I'd like to do it when I have the motivation to do it.
Modding takes, depending on the mapset, about 2 hours for me. That's not something I can/want to do every day.
If you don't care about your score, or if you have plenty, then you can mod at whatever pace you want.
If you don't play by the system's rules, however, you won't gain certain privileges granted by it (the main one being nomination of maps)
I think it's good, it gives a lot of maps an easier time getting modded, and lets people who want to mod actually gain something from it but also show them what they should mod
Seems fair to me.
(I hope I'm not misunderstanding something big)
Topic Starter
You don't have to use the new mod queue.Kodora wrote:
1) Forcing people to mod this will affect the mods quality. Some people may just do not want to mod maps (and ofc lose their rating). So they will write mods "just to skip this map" (like "add new combo & clap, good luck")
See design document.Kodora wrote:
2) How those maps list was builded? Due to Star Priority? But sometimes people just abuse the system (maps with bad quality have SP +50, 60, 80, and most of stars are from creator).
They won't give PP (anyway, songs which are just-ranked give really inaccurate pp which is usually close to zero after the first day, so this will act as a good buffer).Kurai wrote:
As 'qualified' maps will get a scoreboard, will they also give pp ?[/size]
You aren't.Silynn wrote:
(I hope I'm not misunderstanding something big)
Let me clarify something as well:
Is Nominate 4 Nominate (I nominate your map, and nominate mine) considered an abuse for this system? http://puu.sh/2HpB0.png
If this is true, I can imagine a scenario with 4 different mappers nominating their own maps without even getting any mods at all...
And assuming the maps are "rankable", they basically skipped the modding process.
Is Nominate 4 Nominate (I nominate your map, and nominate mine) considered an abuse for this system? http://puu.sh/2HpB0.png
If this is true, I can imagine a scenario with 4 different mappers nominating their own maps without even getting any mods at all...
And assuming the maps are "rankable", they basically skipped the modding process.
Topic Starter
To nominate a map, you need to post a mod post – even if that post says "No issues". If three people do this and there are in fact no issues, then it is not abuse to have such a map ranked. Keep in mind though:
If any issues are found, all of the nominators will be punished.
There may be extra priority given to maps which were nominated and have been waiting longer to be ranked (TBD).
If any issues are found, all of the nominators will be punished.
There may be extra priority given to maps which were nominated and have been waiting longer to be ranked (TBD).
quantum-rose
I think the opposite is true, from what I can tell, people are allowed to choose which modes they are available to mod, so if you have a mania only map in queue it will be sent off to mania only modders (this will include the mania BATs such as Entozer and Chonicle, I think)quantum-rose wrote:
it's hard to get a mania mod now,and i don't think we'll have any new mania beatmaps ranked if such rules are carried on
At least, that's how I see it panning out. In the new system, instead of needing connections, the connections will be made for you.
quantum-rose
some socalled "issues"are just full of disputepeppy wrote:
To nominate a map, you need to post a mod post – even if that post says "No issues". If three people do this and there are in fact no issues, then it is not abuse to have such a map ranked. Keep in mind though:
If any issues are found, all of the nominators will be punished.
There may be extra priority given to maps which were nominated and have been waiting longer to be ranked (TBD).
and we'll never see a map like The Big Black because no nominater wants to be punished for nominating an "overmapped" beatmap
- When a mapper puts a map into the Pending criteria, changes to the map are locked. BSS will warn mappers of this when they do so.
- Removing a map from pending can be done at any point by the mapper, but the position in queue will be reset. This is not an issue after already receiving mod posts, as your position in queue is already reduced by the incoming modders. Remember that queue position has nothing to do with getting nominated/ranked.
I know there are a plenty of mappers that like to polish their maps besides the mods they receive. Will they be able to do it only after receiving a mod, or they can do it whenever they want but at the cost of resetting their position in the queue? I think maps should be locked when achieving the Qualified status.
New system seems pretty good, but I'm afraid of those mappers that make "rankable" mapsets.
And Approval category will be removed as I can see, is this right?
peppy. There is no map with "no issues". 3 very experienced modders can call a map good to go, and others may disagree with them, but that shouldn't be a reason for a penalty.peppy wrote:
To nominate a map, you need to post a mod post – even if that post says "No issues". If three people do this and there are in fact no issues, then it is not abuse to have such a map ranked. Keep in mind though:
If any issues are found, all of the nominators will be punished.
There may be extra priority given to maps which were nominated and have been waiting longer to be ranked (TBD).
Opinions differ, I wouldn't have EVER let some maps that were ra nked recently, get ranked, because I think they fucking suck, but some people seem to actually like them.
I don't really think it's a bad thing.quantum-rose wrote:
and we'll never see a map like The Big Black because no nominater wants to be punished for nominating an "overmapped" beatmap
Anyway, believe me, I'm 100% sure those maps will still get ranked.
quantum-rose
in fact i think The Big Black should be ranked cuz it's not too bad to be unrankedKurai wrote:
I don't really think it's a bad thing.quantum-rose wrote:
and we'll never see a map like The Big Black because no nominater wants to be punished for nominating an "overmapped" beatmap
Maybe u're rightKurai wrote:
Anyway, believe me, I'm 100% sure those maps will still get ranked.
Kodora
I'm pretty sure abusers will receive a harsh punishment, so this shouldn't be a problem.Kodora wrote:
+10 for map from queue isnt too much? I afraid people can abuse the system (even with downvotes from other modders).
This is a great deal better than I would ever imagine it be like, great job peppy!
you are really a stupid guy
1. this system deprival people's right to choose the maps, what map you auto chose? high SP? Those 50+ 70+ SP why not can not rank? all things are obey the ranking rules, but their maps don't have any interesting things, so what should we say, remap PLZ? move this slider a gird? random maps? i can say there are more than thousands new maps can be upload a day, but only a about one map is ok for rank, this system will waste most time modders
why people want to mod these maps,1.they want to mod those song they like, 2.they want to mod those mappers and mapping style they like, 3. they want help new guys this system will deprival 1 and 2, people have to mod those maps they don't like. who willing to eat food they don't like?
2.mapping is an art, also modding too, don't like a RPG game, EXP for moding? are you kidding me? you can make a modding system, believe i can make a mapping system auto make maps, all the things obey the rules and like a shit, if you really want to. no one can stop me rank these maps
the really good mappers and modders will not willing to work again. please wait those LV99 mappers and modders make maps for you.
3.you are a really stubborn man, you can treat this post like a shit, you can do every decision alone and never change, even you can ban me, but did you ask your BAT's advice, they are not you pets, also you do not pay a dollar. you never respect them ,and they will hurt and leave, oh oh oh you can find more new BATs, the really dogs
1. this system deprival people's right to choose the maps, what map you auto chose? high SP? Those 50+ 70+ SP why not can not rank? all things are obey the ranking rules, but their maps don't have any interesting things, so what should we say, remap PLZ? move this slider a gird? random maps? i can say there are more than thousands new maps can be upload a day, but only a about one map is ok for rank, this system will waste most time modders
why people want to mod these maps,1.they want to mod those song they like, 2.they want to mod those mappers and mapping style they like, 3. they want help new guys this system will deprival 1 and 2, people have to mod those maps they don't like. who willing to eat food they don't like?
2.mapping is an art, also modding too, don't like a RPG game, EXP for moding? are you kidding me? you can make a modding system, believe i can make a mapping system auto make maps, all the things obey the rules and like a shit, if you really want to. no one can stop me rank these maps
the really good mappers and modders will not willing to work again. please wait those LV99 mappers and modders make maps for you.
3.you are a really stubborn man, you can treat this post like a shit, you can do every decision alone and never change, even you can ban me, but did you ask your BAT's advice, they are not you pets, also you do not pay a dollar. you never respect them ,and they will hurt and leave, oh oh oh you can find more new BATs, the really dogs