23:00 aabc271: ^ This should do the job
23:00 aabc271:
23:00 OnosakiHito: *thumbs up*
23:01 aabc271: So, I can feel that it's originally kfmo ?
23:01 aabc271: And then names changed ? w
23:01 OnosakiHito: Before we start, let me mention again that this map is kinda old. So it might happen that some patterns might be in an consecutive way mapped.
23:02 OnosakiHito: It was previously fmoI. And still is.
23:02 aabc271: No kantan so lazy lol (runs
23:02 aabc271: Anyway, let's see...
23:02 OnosakiHito: Might be a bit borderlined, but I think it is still fine.
23:02 OnosakiHito: Alright.
23:03 aabc271: Is it just me who feel 00:04:758 is missing a D ?
23:04 aabc271: Song doesn't have that significant hit but somehow I feel so
23:04 OnosakiHito: I'm fine with it. Also, only two finishers give upcoming pattern a bigger impact.
23:05 OnosakiHito: So I would rather keep it. I could use D D D, but meh...
23:05 aabc271: Never mind then
23:06 aabc271: 00:14:332 - Maybe make sth like dk kk / d k k ? Because previous parts are busier ?
23:07 OnosakiHito: I had that before, but deleted it. Would be too long the pattern. I want Futsuu to be easier and give lower player some rest moment.
23:07 OnosakiHito: That was a pretty long consecutive pattern. Which was the reason to cut it.
23:08 aabc271: I see. But then I feel that single d at 00:14:332 - a bit odd ?
23:08 aabc271: I mean, if it's sth like this, it could be more natural
23:08 aabc271:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/185221023:09 OnosakiHito: Thing is, if I remove that don, it doesn't follow the beat I am mapping constantly to.
23:10 OnosakiHito: And that's the place where the last stanza of this sections appears.
23:10 OnosakiHito: And ends at the new section. In this way both sections are differt from each other in a..
23:10 OnosakiHito: in a clear way.
23:11 OnosakiHito: I guess it sounds a bit weird because of upcoming patterns at 00:16:247 - ?
23:11 OnosakiHito: That's where I stop mapping strictly to the main beat.
23:12 aabc271: ^ Can't really feel that lol
23:12 aabc271: If you want really clear structure then never mind. Just saying the break is also cutting the consistency
23:12 aabc271: Whatever, moving on
23:12 aabc271: These are really small things
23:14 OnosakiHito: Okay.
23:15 OnosakiHito: Oh, what I should also mention, I kinda map to the vocal. Not in way I follow it by notes, but by parts. Sometimes when the vocalist is quite, I quit mapping at this part.
23:15 OnosakiHito: But anyway, let's move on for now I guess lol
23:16 aabc271: I can feel that, but it seems you put structure on the higher priority
23:16 aabc271: I can suggest sth like 00:34:758 - Move 1/2 forward but then I think I'll skip this
23:17 aabc271: 00:54:545 - Maybe this instead ?https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1852245
23:17 aabc271: Because of previous k d d, maybe this is more consistent ?
23:20 OnosakiHito: Might be too much of the same pattern? I wanted to prevent it and mapped to the vocal in a 2/1 way.
23:20 OnosakiHito: Instead of slider d x d x d
23:21 aabc271: Fine then. Going on...
23:22 OnosakiHito: Now I feel like 01:06:672 - this might be too much?
23:22 OnosakiHito: up to 01:27:098 -
23:22 aabc271: Not that reached that part, wait lol
23:24 aabc271: 01:03:641 - Not sure if you'll like this, but have a look ?
23:24 aabc271:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/185227423:24 aabc271: Sometimes as a modder, it's really hard to suggest patterns to balance consistency and vocal
23:26 OnosakiHito: I will use it.
23:26 aabc271: ok lol
23:27 aabc271: And responding to your question
23:27 aabc271: I'd suggest having change in pattern starting from 01:16:885 -
23:29 OnosakiHito: More simple way?
23:29 aabc271: Not necessary, just a bit more different from previous part
23:30 aabc271: Because as you say, these 20s could be too similar
23:30 OnosakiHito: Well, about similarity I'm not that afraid if I'm honest. More about the long mapping without a bigger break.
23:31 OnosakiHito: But if you think it might be better, I can try changing it.
23:31 aabc271: Maybe sth like this could be nice ?
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/185230823:31 OnosakiHito: My idea in the past was to keep it simple at this point.
23:31 OnosakiHito: Let me see.
23:31 aabc271: I dunno, but imo changing the patterns a bit could be nice
23:31 aabc271: Using oo o oo patterns
23:32 OnosakiHito: woah
23:32 OnosakiHito: that sounds good
23:32 OnosakiHito: lol
23:32 aabc271:
23:32 aabc271:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1852311 Sth like this to continue that pattern
23:33 aabc271:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1852315 Last part
23:34 OnosakiHito: Changed. Let me updated so you can check it quick.
23:34 aabc271: ok :3
23:35 OnosakiHito: updated
23:35 OnosakiHito: Didn't put anything at 01:23:907 - because of that one long lightened sound.
23:35 aabc271: Seems fine :3
23:36 OnosakiHito: Yey. Now I'm happy. Sounds really more interesting.
23:36 aabc271:
23:36 OnosakiHito: Well, I still think density is a bit high, but meh....
23:36 OnosakiHito: I think I can go at least once with an harder Futsuu than usually.
23:36 aabc271: At least the next part is easier ?
23:37 OnosakiHito: Yeah.
23:38 aabc271: 01:31:885 - Maybe delete ? Because background sound is so insignificant
23:39 OnosakiHito: deleted.
23:40 aabc271: 01:35:077 - Move this 1/2 backward, and delete 01:36:353 - ?
23:42 OnosakiHito: I like the current way more.
23:42 OnosakiHito: But I will delete that one note.
23:43 aabc271: Alright
23:45 aabc271: 01:46:885 - Not sure if finishes are good idea ?
23:46 OnosakiHito: k, changed.
23:46 OnosakiHito: THough, I duuno.
23:46 OnosakiHito: Feels like impact is missing here, for the very big end.
23:46 aabc271: I know you want some emphasis but the song doesn't feels intense
23:46 aabc271: Yes
23:47 OnosakiHito: Well, I'm fine without.
23:47 OnosakiHito: so changed.
23:47 aabc271: kk
23:47 aabc271: So, muzu now
23:47 aabc271: Hope I'm not too sloe
23:47 aabc271: slow*
23:47 aabc271: xD
23:47 OnosakiHito: ok
23:47 aabc271: Quite a big leap but I guess it's too late to change
23:48 OnosakiHito: Yeah.
23:48 OnosakiHito: Though, we have that leap also in Muzu to Oni and Oni to Inner.
23:49 OnosakiHito: diff rises drastically.
23:49 aabc271: Then it should be fine ?
23:49 aabc271: I'll see later
23:49 OnosakiHito: Sure.
23:51 aabc271: 00:44:970 - See if you think a slightly harder one is better
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/185236623:53 OnosakiHito: I think that's too much to the vocal.
23:53 OnosakiHito: The whole kiai for example is more beat wise oriented.
23:53 OnosakiHito: so moving that don backwards might interrupt this.
23:54 aabc271: Yes, but kkk k d is following the background, just like what you did in kiai
23:55 OnosakiHito: Checked now Oni and INner. I have the same pattern there, so i will keep it in Muzu.
23:55 OnosakiHito: Else spread becomes higher to Futsuu
23:55 aabc271: ok :3
23:56 aabc271: 01:13:375 - lol ?
23:57 aabc271: Somehow I feel this so inconsistent ?
23:57 aabc271: Because my 1st thought is, 01:15:928 - would have 1 more slider too
23:57 aabc271: lol
23:57 OnosakiHito: 1st has one less note
23:57 OnosakiHito: 2 one more
23:57 OnosakiHito: 3 again less
23:57 OnosakiHito: and 4 again one more
23:58 OnosakiHito: 01:06:672 - 1
23:58 OnosakiHito: 01:10:024 -2
23:58 aabc271: I know
23:58 OnosakiHito: 01:12:577 - 3
23:58 OnosakiHito: ok
23:58 OnosakiHito: lol
23:59 aabc271: Not so obvious during gameplay, but if you're fine with that then never mind
23:59 OnosakiHito: Yep. FIne with that.
23:59 OnosakiHito: Was intensional.
00:01 aabc271: 01:35:715 (2,1,2) - Somehow I feel this should be 1/2 earlier because of 01:30:449 (1,2,3,4)
00:01 aabc271: And if you change that, you probably want to delete 01:36:353 (2) -
00:03 OnosakiHito: The others are placed the same?
00:03 OnosakiHito: o.o
00:03 aabc271: 01:30:449 (1) - Starting at red line
00:04 aabc271: 01:35:715 - White line but not red
00:04 OnosakiHito: To be honest, I think it is totally fine how it is.
00:05 OnosakiHito: IT's nearly the same like previous dd dd dd
00:06 OnosakiHito: 01:31:566 (1) - move to
00:06 OnosakiHito: 01:29:970
00:06 OnosakiHito: 01:29:970 -
00:06 OnosakiHito: And it's the exact same pattern.
00:07 aabc271: I think I get that, but actually I feel 01:30:928 (3,4) - odd too
00:07 aabc271: I'd delete them but I don't think you'll do so lol
00:08 OnosakiHito: Yeah, I want to keep it. lol
00:09 OnosakiHito: Maybe it sounds better if I remove finisher?
00:09 OnosakiHito: And make simple kat
00:09 aabc271: You mean (4) k ?
00:09 aabc271: Or 01:36:353 (2) - k ?
00:09 OnosakiHito: 01:31:566 (1) -
00:10 OnosakiHito: wait
00:10 OnosakiHito: why I am in Futsuu
00:10 OnosakiHito: LOL
00:10 aabc271: LOL
00:10 aabc271: Baka~
00:10 OnosakiHito: rofl
00:11 OnosakiHito: changed
00:11 OnosakiHito: xD
00:11 aabc271: okok w
00:13 aabc271: Moving to oni
00:13 aabc271: Oni still seems to have only ddd kkk
00:13 aabc271: Why's that lol
00:13 OnosakiHito: Ask ...
00:13 OnosakiHito: the old Oni? EHE >w<"?
00:13 OnosakiHito: ono*
00:14 OnosakiHito: Maybe look at Inner first
00:14 OnosakiHito: then you will understand it.
00:14 aabc271: Inner first then
00:14 OnosakiHito: The spread was too big for me back then.
00:14 OnosakiHito: So I added another Oni to compensate spread problem in a better way.
00:14 aabc271: And then you mapped the very first at inner
00:14 OnosakiHito: ok
00:14 OnosakiHito: Yeah. First the Inner was the Oni.
00:15 aabc271: Why not start at the same point ?
00:15 OnosakiHito: Then I changed it to Inner and mapped a new Oni.
00:16 aabc271: If I were you I'd start inner at 00:04:119 - ?
00:16 OnosakiHito: Done.
00:16 OnosakiHito: lol
00:17 aabc271: ok lol
00:17 aabc271: 00:19:279 - This stream doesn't feel consistent to previous parts ?
00:17 aabc271: And it doesn't fit the music so well too ?
00:18 aabc271:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1852461 Some simple cuts could make this better
00:22 OnosakiHito: using this instaed:
http://puu.sh/apfZZ/c2a4295cfb.jpg00:24 aabc271: ok
00:25 aabc271: 00:50:396 -
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1852486 instead ?
00:26 aabc271: For consistency with 00:46:885 - oo o o oooo
00:26 aabc271: But maybe you'll want to keep this to follow vocal
00:27 OnosakiHito: Yeah, rather wnat to keep it. Not sure why I exactly use it back then,
00:27 OnosakiHito: but ddkk -> kkkk rise of kats it sounds nice.
00:27 aabc271: Alright
00:27 aabc271: 01:16:327 - Add d here ?
00:27 aabc271: To respond with 1/4 at 01:13:375 -
00:29 OnosakiHito: Yes.
00:29 OnosakiHito: added.
00:30 aabc271: 01:23:428 - I'd prefer having sth similar to 01:18:321 - rather than a rest then long stream
00:31 OnosakiHito: changed to kkkkd d kkk d and deleted note at
00:31 OnosakiHito: 01:24:704
00:31 OnosakiHito: 01:24:704 -
00:31 aabc271: ok
00:32 aabc271: 01:30:928 - 01:36:034 - Same as muzu but I think I can skip this
00:35 OnosakiHito: yeah, okay.
00:37 aabc271: Others seem fine
00:37 aabc271: So what about oni ?
00:38 aabc271: Ah yes
00:38 aabc271: Inner oni, set the audio lead in same as others (0)
00:39 OnosakiHito: oh
00:39 OnosakiHito: ok
00:39 aabc271: So, moving on to oni ?
00:39 aabc271: I hope I'm not too slow x_x
00:40 OnosakiHito: ok
00:40 OnosakiHito: it's okay.
00:40 aabc271: Now you probably know why I always take hours to mod 1 map
00:40 aabc271: lol
00:40 OnosakiHito: wow wtf
00:40 OnosakiHito: we mod since nearly 2 HOURS
00:40 OnosakiHito: WHAT
00:40 aabc271: Yes
00:40 aabc271: That's why I asked you that
00:40 OnosakiHito: I didn't even notice.
00:40 aabc271: And then, still 1 diff to go
00:40 aabc271: lol
00:40 OnosakiHito: It's okay. Haha
00:41 aabc271: So let's continue ?
00:41 OnosakiHito: yes.
00:41 aabc271: Well, since you have muzu with frequent 1/4s
00:41 aabc271: I think you can use more varied 1/4s in oni
00:41 aabc271: Eg not limited to ddd / kkk
00:43 aabc271: 00:19:438 - Maybe ddddk kkd instead ? Because previous parts are less dense and this stream seems sudden ?
00:44 OnosakiHito: okay.
00:45 aabc271: 00:29:013 - 00:34:119 - kkd ?
00:47 OnosakiHito: I don't know. Do you think this is a big problem?
00:47 aabc271: No, but this sounds better to me
00:47 OnosakiHito: Because, I like this kiai really much, due to less don structure.
00:48 aabc271: I'm not sure if you're following vocal though
00:48 aabc271: Because for some less obvious parts you seem to follow vocal a bit
00:49 OnosakiHito: Yeah. 3 of those dons follow the vocal,
00:49 OnosakiHito: while some other are additional notes for the beats.
00:50 OnosakiHito: It's beat-vocal map I guess. not sure what old ono was thinking anymore.
00:50 aabc271: Then what about 00:39:545 - k d ?
00:50 aabc271: It'd destroy the all consistent d k but see if you mind
00:52 OnosakiHito: I guess i will leave it in this way. Probably way too unsignificant...?
00:52 OnosakiHito: Since all patterns i nthe second hald are like
00:52 OnosakiHito: ...dk k kd...
00:52 aabc271: From the perspective of vocal mapping this is very obvious lol
00:52 OnosakiHito: half*
00:52 OnosakiHito: Let's move on for now, in that time I will check it again and again.
00:52 OnosakiHito: Want to think about kkd as well
00:53 aabc271: k
00:54 aabc271: Ah yes, just saying you also used k d at 00:44:651 - , so it's worth changing imo
00:54 aabc271: Anyway, moving on
00:55 OnosakiHito: K changed it.
00:55 aabc271: ok
00:55 aabc271: 01:05:077 - Add k d, and remove finish at 01:05:715 - ?
00:56 aabc271: 01:05:715 - maybe d sounds better too ?
00:56 OnosakiHito: ok
00:56 OnosakiHito: I will leave it with the first suggestion, k d
00:57 aabc271: 01:30:928 - Same thing
00:58 aabc271: 01:36:034 -
00:58 OnosakiHito: ok
00:58 aabc271: Others seem fine
00:58 aabc271: Finally done, huh ? lol
00:58 OnosakiHito: 01:34:917 -
00:59 OnosakiHito: this way maybe:
http://puu.sh/apim6/de8f0bd671.jpg ?
00:59 OnosakiHito: without dkdkd
01:00 aabc271: Dunno which timing point you mean
01:00 aabc271: But maybe this ?
01:00 OnosakiHito: updated.
01:00 aabc271:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/185259101:00 OnosakiHito: you can check
01:00 aabc271: ok
01:03 aabc271: Muzu 00:15:290 - Maybe remove finish ?
01:03 aabc271: I guess 00:15:609 - should be enough ?
01:03 OnosakiHito: ok
01:11 aabc271: Seems fine
01:11 aabc271: Ready to icon =w=