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Yuukari-Banteki
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ok you know what? fuck this game. Subi, modkill me. i dont care if it hurts the fucking town. i should never have joined this game especially since after the reasons for my requesting modkill occurred i completely lost my head in every game im participating in and am now dying EVERYWHERE.

You can replace me if you want i guess but hey, you wanted me to at least try and i FUCKING tried and i cant FUCKING deal with it because i keep losing my FUCKING HEAD.

no offense to the rest of you guys.

mod: requesting modkill on no uncertain terms. if the ones i have already given are not sufficient i will gladly go out and tell theories on this game to the entire world until such a time as you kill me.
LadySuburu
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Saturos-Fangirl - Neutral Survivor - Modkilled Day 1.

It is now Twilight 1. Twilight ends Friday at 11:00 AM central.
Lucidity
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PMS + internets = ?

z0z for calling your bluff..
LadySuburu
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Anyone modkilled's role will instantly change to Neutral Survivor and will lose regardless. The modkilled role is not the origional role, and you will not find out the origional role until game end.
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Twilight 1? Great.. mafia gets a free kill ._.;
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strager wrote:

You're trying to help her in her vote. "Why don't you (we) vote for Echo instead?" basically. If this was your intention, your previous post about voting for Echo if Lucidity did was an excuse for having Echo lynched ("I warned Lucidity and she knew the dangers blah blah").
You make it sound like I said "Lucidity, I think you should trust me and vote for Echo with me," but that wasn't the case at all.
His vote for you was given with no justification (which is interesting since that's exactly what she accuses us of a few posts later), so in my eyes that vote for you was just an attempt to save his own skin. Once the danger of a Lucidity lynch was eliminated (since I unvoted), he wouldn't have had that reason to vote for you any more, so I wanted to know if he still had reasons for voting for you, or if he possibly found Echo more suspicious, and didn't vote for him before since there was no point.
Read the post, I was requesting her thoughts on an Echo lynch, not requesting that she lynch Echo.

Or, of course, you're doing as you say and believe protecting adam is more important than killing the Mafia. (I do understand that protecting adam is of lesser risk.)
I'm not sure you aren't mafia, but at the time I had to choose between one of you, and you were the obvious choice (no offense :P)

0_o wrote:

my mafia partner
I thought it had been discussed enough that two Mafia is verrry unlikely.
Well for one, that was in response to Echo saying that I wouldn't vote for my "partner" if I were mafia, so I was going with this hypothetical situation.
Also, I looked it up on MafiaScum, and I found out that there actually are newbie games with 7 people, 2 mafia. So it is possible.

Are you admitting you have a partner? If so, who is it? =]
Your mom

EDIT: I really have to lrn2preview -_-
Well then.. that's interesting.
Gotta say though awesome role claim SFG, I had no idea you could think up something like that :P

Derekku wrote:

Twilight 1? Great.. mafia gets a free kill ._.;
Actually, SFG's death was our favour. She was a Survivor, which meant she wins when she is the only one left. This basically means she was another mafia group without a nightkill. Of course this was also in favour of the mafia, but we didn't lose anything by losing SFG.
blaaaaaaaa
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Lucidity
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LadySuburu wrote:

Anyone modkilled's role will instantly change to Neutral Survivor and will lose regardless. The modkilled role is not the origional role, and you will not find out the origional role until game end.
Could you please reconsider? We gain no information from Day 1 like we would have if we had lynched someone :/ Why does a modkill hide the identity, but not a normal kill? ;o

Hope you feel better soon SFG. Also, lol internets.
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Lucidity wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

Anyone modkilled's role will instantly change to Neutral Survivor and will lose regardless. The modkilled role is not the origional role, and you will not find out the origional role until game end.
Could you please reconsider? We gain no information from Day 1 like we would have if we had lynched someone :/ Why does a modkill hide the identity, but not a normal kill? ;o

Hope you feel better soon SFG. Also, lol internets.
I'll say this much: She was not mafia, so no mafia have been killed.
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why can't I read
Lucidity
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LadySuburu wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

Anyone modkilled's role will instantly change to Neutral Survivor and will lose regardless. The modkilled role is not the origional role, and you will not find out the origional role until game end.
Could you please reconsider? We gain no information from Day 1 like we would have if we had lynched someone :/ Why does a modkill hide the identity, but not a normal kill? ;o

Hope you feel better soon SFG. Also, lol internets.
I'll say this much: She was not mafia, so no mafia have been killed.
Bleh, I guess that's better than nothing, but why should we suffer because she committed suicide :<
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0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

You're trying to help her in her vote. "Why don't you (we) vote for Echo instead?" basically. If this was your intention, your previous post about voting for Echo if Lucidity did was an excuse for having Echo lynched ("I warned Lucidity and she knew the dangers blah blah").
[blah blah stuff I know blah]
Read the post, I was requesting her thoughts on an Echo lynch, not requesting that she lynch Echo.
Yes, and to me, it sounded like you were somewhat nudging her into voting for Echo.

0_o wrote:

Or, of course, you're doing as you say and believe protecting adam is more important than killing the Mafia. (I do understand that protecting adam is of lesser risk.)
I'm not sure you aren't mafia, but at the time I had to choose between one of you, and you were the obvious choice (no offense :P)
Right.

0_o wrote:

0_o wrote:

my mafia partner
I thought it had been discussed enough that two Mafia is verrry unlikely.
[...]
Also, I looked it up on MafiaScum, and I found out that there actually are newbie games with 7 people, 2 mafia. So it is possible.
Hmm... Pie E7, which seems to be the most tested two-Mafia five-Townie game I see, is apparently imbalanced. I'm not sure if having a Day Cop is enough to balanced it. I'm not against imbalanced games, but I'm not sure everyone isn't (including LS).

0_o wrote:

Gotta say though awesome role claim SFG, I had no idea you could think up something like that :P
Full of holes. x_x

Lucidity wrote:

Bleh, I guess that's better than nothing, but why should we suffer because she committed suicide :<
That'd be cool if the Mafia suicided as well. xD
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I think that the town should still get a lynch for today. We would have gotten one had there not been extensions, but now town is down one player and the mafia will get an even bigger advantage with their free kill tonight. :| It might not matter as much if SFG actually does hold a third-party role, but whatever. I'm just stating my opinion that most of us probably agree with =/

EDIT: Not saying you're hosting badly or anything, LS, but I'm not sure how modkills are handled. This is the first one I've seen in mafia =<
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Derekku Chan wrote:

I think that the town should still get a lynch for today. We would have gotten one had there not been extensions, but now townie is down one player and the mafia will get an even bigger advantage with their free kill tonight. :| It might not matter as much if SFG actually does hold a third-party role, but whatever. I'm just stating my opinion that most of us probably agree with =/
Actually, if we still had to lynch someone and there were 2 mafia, then we would be at LyLo: there would be 4 town and 2 mafia, and mafia wins in the case of a tie
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It depends on the roles still in play though...If it's 3-2 and the Mafia fail to kill someone that night the town could still win...
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Lucidity wrote:

It depends on the roles still in play though...If it's 3-2 and the Mafia fail to kill someone that night the town could still win...
Yes, but the odds aren't in favour of that happening.
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seeing as adam's "Day Cop", there ought to be a "Night (Twilight)" Cop out there somewhere
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Echo wrote:

seeing as adam's "Day Cop", there ought to be a "Night (Twilight)" Cop out there somewhere
That isn't what you implied earlier.

Derekku, read the rules:

Rules wrote:

13. A modkill will end the Day.
Basically, the mod kill counts as a Lynch, except the role of SFG isn't known (sadly).

I think LS's being generous here a bit, as she extended the deadline and stuff.

Mod: It's Twilight 1, isn't it? Can you edit the topic's title, please?
Yuukari-Banteki
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if you guys didnt want me dead you shouldnt have tried to kill me Bah!
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Derekku Chan wrote:

strager wrote:

Derekku, read the rules:
Uh, you're one to talk Mr. tl;dring-the WWG-rules :|
=]
Lucidity
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Do want Mafia to kill faster so we can discuss and do something D:

In theory this game gives us the opportunity to discuss the day's lynch during Twilight, but that didn't happen -.- So it's just like a normal night in any other game?
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Uh, we are discussion now, kinda.

Currently, we don't have much more info that in Day 1. We don't have to decide on a lynch just yet, and it's probably better to wait until Day 2 to do that, where we have more information (whether it's the role of the NK'd person, or if no kill was made because there is a Doctor, or something like that; and also the results of any Night actions by aux roles such as a possible Twilight/Night Cop which Echo suggests).

EDIT: Just realized you kinda said that in your first sentence, Lucidity. =X
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@strager: i changed my mind
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Lucidity wrote:

Also, for some reason when I post outside of "Forum Games/Random" the site says I'm logged out and doesn't allow me to post. I then have to login again, but as soon as I click submit it says I'm logged out again.
Make sure you didn't block cookies for certain URL's. (Do any major browsers do that? Most do by domain name...)

Make sure cookies are enabled at all, too. If there's "sid=" followed by a bunch of hex digits, cookies are probably disabled.

Echo wrote:

@strager: i changed my mind
K.

I would only think there are more than one Cop if there are more than one Mafia. (Is that the right verb form? Guh, English, and other languages with weird conjugations.)

Because I'm sticking with my one-Mafia look on things, that means I have a one-Cop look on things, too.
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strager wrote:

I would only think there are more than one Cop if there are more than one Mafia. (Is that the right verb form? Guh, English, and other languages with weird conjugations.)
I think the only problem is that "are" should be "is". So...

"I would only think there is more than one Cop if there is more than one Mafia." The reason is that you only have singular nouns thatt you're talking about in the sentence, so you can't use "are".
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Derekku Chan wrote:

strager wrote:

I would only think there are more than one Cop if there are more than one Mafia. (Is that the right verb form? Guh, English, and other languages with weird conjugations.)
I think the only problem is that "are" should be "is". So...

"I would only think there is more than one Cop if there is more than one Mafia." The reason is that you only have singular nouns thatt you're talking about in the sentence, so you can't use "are".
Yeah, I was trying to figure out if it was 'is' or 'are.'
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well its a good thing thats all sorted out
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If I'm alive tomorrow, I'm probably mafia and you should probably hang me.
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Vote: Echo

It's still Day 1, right?
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strager wrote:

It's still Day 1, right?
It's been Twilight since SFG died you trigger-happy maniac
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Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

It's still Day 1, right?
It's been Twilight since SFG died
Sarcasm.

Echo wrote:

you trigger-happy maniac
Wha? I'm not a Vig! O_o
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I was referring to the vote, thanks for claiming vig though
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Actually Echo is the jester.
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adam2046 wrote:

Actually Echo is the jester.
You jest.

Echo, did your . key break? Must be hard to code without it.
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*Twilight passed over, with no night coming. This strange occurance was compounded by the death of not only adam2046, who was apperently fed massive amounts of pills...*

adam2046 - Naive DayCop - Killed in Twilight.

*But by the death of Lucidity, the one who fed adam the pills.*

Lucidity - Insane Doctor - Killed in Twilight.

-------------------------

It is now Day 2. Day 2 ends at the end of saturday, central.

With 4 alive it's 3 to lynch.

Edit: Fix'd stuff.
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vote no lynch

3-man LyLo is a lot better than 4...
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wtf? TWO deaths? How did that happen?

I am not a Vig!

Oh, lemme look at Insane Doctor on MafiaWiki...

Yeah, an Insane Doctor has a chance of killing their target. I guess Lucidity targetted adam, resulting in his death. =[

Vote: No lynch
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Lucidity wrote:

Lol my bad :)
we totally should have lynched him

Bah!
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Lucidity wrote:

Lol my bad :)

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

Lol my bad :)
we totally should have lynched him

Bah!
*modkill*
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Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

Lol my bad :)
we totally should have lynched him

Bah!
One Bah post per person. (lolz you aren't saying anything vital)
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If we only have 1 mafia, then a no lynch would be better today.
If we have 2 mafia, then LyLo has passed (since last night two people were killed) and thus we've already lost. But since LS has said that LyLo will be announced, I am inclined to believe that there is only 1 mafia, thankfully.

Vote: No Lynch

Majority has been reached, move to Twilight 2 plox <3
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Well, I do believe there is one Mafia, but it's not impossible there are more.

For example, we could have a Vig (I'm not a Vig!) or another Doctor.
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The town rushed through the day, deciding not to lynch anyone. Hopefully everyone took the time to act, if they were able.

*Twilight 2 begins. Twilight 2 ends at the time Day 2 was supposed to end.*
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LS says here that LyLo will be announced. If there were two mafia, then that means that LyLo would've been at five players. If we're down to 4 players, and it hasn't been announced, then that means that there's only 1 mafia and that D3 is LyLo.
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LyLo doesn't mean Town barely holds majority. It means if a non-Mafia is lynched, the Town doesn't win (i.e. ties or loses).

Let's say for example we have five players and two Mafia:
Anne - Vanilla Mafia
Bob - Vanilla Mafia
Charles - Doctor (can protect self)
Dick - Serial Killer
Earnie - Vanilla Townie

By your definition, this is LyLo.

However, Earnie can be lynched, and Bob and Dick are killed at Night, leaving Anne and Charles. Thus, a Mafia-Townie tie.

Earnie can be lynched, and Bob is killed at Night, with Dick being protected by Charles. This leaves Anne, Charles, and Dick. If Anne is lynched, it is a tie between the Town and Dick. If Charles is lynched, it is a tie between the Mafia and Dick. If Dick is lynched, the Mafia win.

Now imagine four players with two Mafia and two Serial Killers. xD
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great, i missed the day

i'm sure someone mentioned the possibility of insane doctors on day 1, but I can't find the post, does anyone want to own up?
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Echo wrote:

i'm sure someone mentioned the possibility of insane doctors on day 1, but I can't find the post, does anyone want to own up?
I looked through the topic (using the search for "Doctor") and nothing about Insane Doctors came up Day 1.
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Time to reread the whole thread for clues. x_x I don't know... I said earlier Echo looked the most suspicious to me, but I need to look over both Echo's and 0_o's posts again.
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If Derekku was a miller.. does that mean that there is another cop this game? Seeing as adam was naive a miller wouldn't make a difference otherwise..
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0_o wrote:

If Derekku was a miller.. does that mean that there is another cop this game? Seeing as adam was naive a miller wouldn't make a difference otherwise..
Hmm, possibly. Or adam could be turned from Naive? I dunno. In BM1, I was Paranoid, but if I were healed by the Doctor, I would have turned Sane. (That didn't happen, sadly. =[)
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Echo wrote:

strager did you role claim ever at all?
No.

Echo wrote:

Also I don't think I need to mention (but obviously i just have) that no voting *AT ALL* until we've *ALL* agreed
You thought right.

Wait.

All except the Mafia of course, xD But getting two people to agree wouldn't work, because one could be the Mafia.

I dunno; I'll just refrain from voting until I'm greatly convinced.
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oh also are any of you two *absolutely sure* what derek's role is? similarly 0_o what's the exact name of your role, since you've claimed already?
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Echo wrote:

oh also are any of you two *absolutely sure* what derek's role is?
Derekku's death post says he is/was a Miller.
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Officially I am a Twilight Townie, but from what my PM says (which is pretty much nothing) I'm basically a vanilla.

mod: when roles are revealed on death, are the exact role names revealed? ie if a Twilight Townie died would you say they were a Twilight Townie or Vanilla Townie?
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0_o wrote:

Officially I am a Twilight Townie, but from what my PM says (which is pretty much nothing) I'm basically a vanilla.

mod: when roles are revealed on death, are the exact role names revealed? ie if a Twilight Townie died would you say they were a Twilight Townie or Vanilla Townie?
Derekku's Role PM sent was Twilight Brownie, and was revealed as Miller. Similarly, any role will be revealed as the true role. (Twilight Townie is a theme role, and will be revealed as such.)
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strager: me/you role claim?
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*ghost* fffffff I knew I'd be killed next =(

And ah, I see what you did now LS. Tricky~

*cheers for 0_o* Goooooooooooooo TEAM! :3 inb40_oisactuallymafiafffffff
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..this is gonna come down to me again isn't it -_-

and yes, roles claims would be nice
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Sorry this took a while to post. Slowly chugged through the thread.

Also, I ignored some larger text walls. =S

You can ignore this post, but I would like bolded parts to be looked at.

Day 1
Cop tell?
SFG probably not a Cop.
SFG continues to hunt for the Doctor. Mafia tell? Probably goes with her Jester claim later.
SFG (probably intentionally) puts suspicion on herself. Probably goes with her Jester claim later.
SFG defends me so much I'm uncomfortable. Probably goes with her Jester claim later.
SFG says "I'm Mafia" subtly. Probably goes with her Jester claim later.
SFG claims Twilight Cop. Lucidity's reply.
Prefix theory. Argument is used to attack SFG.
Echo says SFG wasn't in danger. Yeah, right.
Me being stuck between Echo, Lucidity, and SFG. Of these three, only Echo is alive. However, my suspicions have changed slightly.
SFG purposely voting for adam. Probably goes with her Jester claim later.
adam says not voting for SFG is "plain to see," even though she was acting very suspicious.
adam says he wouldn't claim as a Mafia, but hints that SFG's claim is perhaps false. Why did he not want us going for SFG then?
SFG claims Jester.
LS corrects some roles. I didn't receive any correction. Did either of you? I would also like to say that SFG accidentally told me she was Jester outside of this game. I tried my best not to act on that. (It was like, page 10 or something then.)
0_o telling the Mafia what to do.
0_o suspects adam is the only Cop (claimed). This leads me to believe he isn't a Cop himself.
SFG claims Pressured Doctor. Very unbelievable.
"Assume" joke I missed earlier.
Echo suggests we assume adam is Sane. What? I hope this was a joke. Otherwise, it's hypocrisy.
Cop tell? The Finding the Cop article on the MafiaWiki states that a "player looking for reasons to vote day 1" is a cop tell. I'm thinking this can be transferred from 'vote' to 'post?'
Cop tell? Confirming vote.
adam says Echo is "very hard to read."
I made a typo. I wrote "I'm not stuck" where I meant to write "I'm now stuck."
0_o posts his opinions on each player. 0_o, do your opinions on Echo and I still apply? Also, most of the players which you cleared are dead now. =[
adam says I'm a "yes man." I still don't know what this means. Can you clarify?
Echo votes 0_o. Does your analysis still apply? Can you explain it please?
I missed this post. Yes, I did only look into it after you mentioned it. Is there something wrong with that? I know it was a possibility before you said anything, but if it's out there on the table it's easier to look at and approve of or disapprove of. I think I did this before, and I think it's a valid strategy.
SFG begs for a modkill.

Twilight 1

Meh this post isn't getting me far.

To me, Echo looks like a Cop. I don't know what to say about 0_o.
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strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

strager: me/you role claim?
Uhh... Rolefishing?

I'm not sure how claiming would help us, unless someone can provide extra information (e.g. as a Cop).
Our roles have no reason to be a secret any more, do they? It's the final day so I can't think of any reason to keep it hidden, it's not like you are trying to avoid an NK here..

Next post will be a response to strager's questions
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0_o wrote:

Our roles have no reason to be a secret any more, do they? It's the final day so I can't think of any reason to keep it hidden, it's not like you are trying to avoid an NK here..
Ah, I see what you mean.

I guess I'll claim and hope Echo keeps his little promise.

Claim: Unlynchable Townie
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LS corrects some roles. I didn't receive any correction. Did either of you?
Nope

0_o posts his opinions on each player. 0_o, do your opinions on Echo and I still apply?
I'm as suspicious of Echo as I was before, but I'm not sure enough that you aren't mafia either. Sure I chose you over Echo easily when we had seven players (we could afford 2 mis-lynches), but am I sure enough to vote for Echo right now? No way.

0_o telling the Mafia what to do.
SFG being a jester makes her a third party, which means she was not on our side nor the mafia's. So yes, I suggested we work together with the mafia to remove her, since it would have been in both of our best interests.

I think that's it
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0_o: any interesting details attached to your role? You say it works exactly like a vanilla townie role?

edit:
LS corrects some roles. I didn't receive any correction. Did either of you?
No.

adam says I'm a "yes man." I still don't know what this means. Can you clarify?
He could be pointing to the fact that you often agree with what someone else says.

Echo votes 0_o. Does your analysis still apply? Can you explain it please?
My analysis would still apply in this situation, but how correct is it? I can't say. No, I won't explain it.

I missed this post. Yes, I did only look into it after you mentioned it. Is there something wrong with that?
Agreeing with what other people are saying makes it look like you're not scumhunting yourself, but only bandwagoning, in a sense.
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Echo wrote:

0_o: any interesting details attached to your role? You say it works exactly like a vanilla townie role?
Yep. If you were to replace the word "Twilight" with "Vanilla" it would look exactly like a Vanilla Townie PM.

Now from what I can tell Derekku didn't have any info about him being a Miller in his PM either, so if there is something special about myself, I don't know what it is.
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Hah.

I'm still expecting a claim from Echo. (Not that I need one, but it sounded like you wanted to trade.)
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Yes I wanted to trade.

I'm a Day Cop, and I investigated strager today, and got a Guilty on him, and an Innocent on myself yesterday. To be honest the unlynchable townie role claim is a bit wacky. Not unheard of, I guess, but still a bit wacky.

0_o: your thoughts?
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Echo wrote:

I'm a Day Cop, and I investigated strager today, and got a Guilty on him, and an Innocent on myself yesterday.
What did you get Day 1?
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strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

I'm a Day Cop, and I investigated strager today, and got a Guilty on him, and an Innocent on myself yesterday.
What did you get Day 1?
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Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

I'm a Day Cop, and I investigated strager today, and got a Guilty on him, and an Innocent on myself yesterday.
What did you get Day 1?
It's Day 3 today...
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Echo wrote:

I missed Day 2, since you guys went no lynch so quickly.
Oh, so "yesterday" is Day 1 for you. LS didn't wait for you to perform an action?
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0_o wrote:

-This post said we should assume adam is sane because he's the only cop left)
You've said yourself before that the town has no reason to lie. Explain?
I think he may have been joking. A few posts back I mentioned this.

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"Assume" joke [by Echo] I missed earlier.
Echo suggests we assume adam is Sane. What? I hope this was a joke. Otherwise, it's hypocrisy.
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strager wrote:

0_o wrote:

-This post said we should assume adam is sane because he's the only cop left)
You've said yourself before that the town has no reason to lie. Explain?
I think he may have been joking. A few posts back I mentioned this.

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"Assume" joke [by Echo] I missed earlier.
Echo suggests we assume adam is Sane. What? I hope this was a joke. Otherwise, it's hypocrisy.
Why would it be hypocrisy?
Also, I'm pretty sure I also said at one point that adam is likely sane, the difference is I didn't know any better.
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I was attempting to draw out contradictions from the mafia.
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Why would it be hypocrisy?
Also, I'm pretty sure I also said at one point that adam is likely sane, the difference is I didn't know any better.
The two posts:

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@everyone in general

when you assume, you make an ass of u and me

so please don't reply *for* anyone else
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Echo wrote:

Since he's the only cop left, can we assume he's sane? :P
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EDIT: oh, the assume thing
Yeah. My focuses on each of those were different.
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Why do you think I italicised the word "assume" and used the :P smiley if I wasn't joking?
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Why do you think I italicised the word "assume" and used the :P smiley if I wasn't joking?
I assumed you were joking.
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If I could set the expectation that adam was sane, then I might have gotten some interesting results which would counter my own investigations, and I would know who the mafia is.

Neither of you reacted in anyway when I said I investigated myself innocent and strager guilty. Were you both expecting it? Maybe you're both mafia. Maybe one of you is SK and the other mafia. Maybe you're siblings? Masons?
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strager: how suspicious am I to you? I have a plan that depends on the answer to my question to LS about "unlynchable townie lynches", but it involves counting me out as mafia.

Honestly, I think my early claim as "Twilight Townie" should clear me altogether (now that we know Derekku was definitely a Twilight Brownie), but that's up to you I guess.

EDIT: response to Echo:
I didn't react because I already know one of you is mafia. It didn't really matter what you claimed really: if you told the truth then strager is mafia, if you are lying then you are mafia.
Now if you said I was guilty, then I would know you were mafia, and I would probably vote you then and there.

hmm...
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0_o wrote:

Honestly, I think my early claim as "Twilight Townie" should clear me altogether (now that we know Derekku was definitely a Twilight Brownie), but that's up to you I guess.
If you bring up something you said earlier in the the game and use it as a defense for yourself, that kinda cancels it out in my opinion. Why did you need to bring it up at all? We should be able to see this for ourselves, we (at least I) do take the order of role claims into account.

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Now if you said I was guilty, then I would know you were mafia, and I would probably vote you then and there.
Right here you sound suspiciously like what I was doing in my last games when I was mafia - using *know* as a reason for persuading other people of your innocence.

0_o wrote:

I only voted for Lucidity because there were 2 votes on adam, and I wasn't entirely sure that the deadline wasn't 3 minutes from that post, so basically I scrolled up and voted for the last person who got voted for, in an attempt to keep adam around.

Also, I realized now that I made a mistake, it's actually adam that will be lynched in the event of a tie right now (IM SORRY :cry:)

That said, I am more leaning towards voting Echo than strager, but I will vote for strager anyway and if Lucidity comes up and decides to change her vote to Echo, then I will too (I will be back to check in ~20 minutes)
You were really willing to lynch *anyone* as long as adam didn't die?

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Echo wrote:

0_o wrote:

Honestly, I think my early claim as "Twilight Townie" should clear me altogether (now that we know Derekku was definitely a Twilight Brownie), but that's up to you I guess.
If you bring up something you said earlier in the the game and use it as a defense for yourself, that kinda cancels it out in my opinion. Why did you need to bring it up at all? We should be able to see this for ourselves, we (at least I) do take the order of role claims into account.
I wasn't the first person to bring this up, it's already been mentioned quite a few times throughout the thread (I can get examples on request)

Echo wrote:

0_o wrote:

Now if you said I was guilty, then I would know you were mafia, and I would probably vote you then and there.
Right here you sound suspiciously like what I was doing in my last games when I was mafia - using *know* as a reason for persuading other people of your innocence.
Not really sure what you mean by that, but what I said is true: I'm almost positive I'm not a miller (since Derekku was a Twilight Brownie and I'm not), and if you claimed you got a guilty result on me and innocent on yourself, you would be claiming sane cop. If I am who I claim I am, I would obviously know you were lying, hence mafia.

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You were really willing to lynch *anyone* as long as adam didn't die?
Who would you rather lynch: someone without a roleclaim who could go either way, or an almost confirmed cop? I'm not really sure what you are accusing me of other than trying to keep the cop alive =/
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Also with regards to my claim: personally I don't think it would make a lot of sense for there to be a Twilight Brownie without a Twilight Townie (with the obvious play on words and everything), and seeing as I'm the only one who has claimed townie (the only other possible person would be SFG, but with her Pressured Doctor claim I doubt it), I really do believe I should be cleared here :|

Echo: what are your thoughts on your guilty result on strager?
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0_o wrote:

Echo: what are your thoughts on your guilty result on strager?
I think I'm lying.

I actually got a guilty result on 0_o, and an innocent on myself.

Let's consider this in conjunction with these two statements:

0_o wrote:

Yep. If you were to replace the word "Twilight" with "Vanilla" it would look exactly like a Vanilla Townie PM.

0_o wrote:

Now if you said I was guilty, then I would know you were mafia, and I would probably vote you then and there.
This assumes that I am a sane cop, which is reasonable given that my investigation flipped and that I got innocent on myself.

Assuming 0_o was innocent, then his role would be a vanilla townie, as per the first statement. In that case, my result will not change or be incorrect/opposite/etc. However, I got a guilty result on 0_o, who also said that if I got a guilty result on him then I would be mafia, which is a contradiction.

The fact that a contradiction came up means that something went wrong. My thought process is correct, which means my assumption is wrong.

In other words, I think 0_o is mafia. Q.E.D.
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