Derekku Chan wrote:

Okay, I'm going to throw an idea out here and it'll probably get shot down.

[theory]
There are two mafia in this game. They are adam and SFG. They both claimed cop to lessen suspicion on themselves. Cops can be crucial to this game, and so usually people won't vote for them. But after a couple of days and we've "learned their sanities" (aka lies), we completely trust them, but then everyone else gets lynched and they (the mafia) win.[/theory]

I think that the best action today would be to lynch one of them and see what their role is. Truthfully, I don't even think that it's worth saving a "cop" until we've seen their results. By the time we've figured out their sanities, it's too late (like I said above). Truthfully, cops shouldn't even role claim unless they have results and are sure of them (or are mafia being crafty). This just brings more suspicious onto them.

Okay I'm tired of thinking for tonight so I'll stop here. *puts on flame shield*

adam2046 wrote:

I don't like your idea...why would we kill me?
As a note, I try to avoid fake claiming when I'm mafia especially first day since you know, THERE COULD BE OTHER COPS.

THERE COULD BE OTHER COPS.

strager wrote:

Right, so if a Cop is killed before D3, we know their sanity. No need to self-invstigate and waste a Day.

0_o wrote:

Seeing as SFG is no longer claiming cop, I think it's safe to say that adam is sane since he is the only claimed cop now..

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

geez this is just the kind of crazy role Subi would get


welp im not a jester anymore. guess he didnt want me to give up. sooooo....well my new role HAS to be town-known for it to work so i HAVE to claim it.

Claim: Pressured doctor

i can protect people at twilight, but only if at least half of the town pm's me during twilight telling me who to protect. I have to forward the pm's to LadySuburu so he can confirm it.

the pm must only contain the person i am to protect, and can only be sent once per person, so think carefully x_x if two of you (im the third for the majority atm) agree is the only time i can protect someone. if i get more than that i have to follow the majority.

information is public because i have no choice dont flame me for it plz

0_o wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

0_o wrote:

Seeing as SFG is no longer claiming cop, I think it's safe to say that adam is sane since he is the only claimed cop now..

Unless she really is just pulling a shitty move and is really mafia ugh so confusing.

That's why we have to lynch her tomorrow. If she isn't mafia, the mafia will NK her because they don't want a jester win any more than we do. If she survives the night, that tells us that the mafia didn't want to kill her, and the only reason that would happen is if she is a mafia member.

0_o wrote:

mod: I'm assuming we can't tell her to protect herself?

strager wrote:

Shouldn't PM's be sent to LS, and she protects (and perhaps tells SFG the votes or who was protected)?

Seems like a poorly-planned role otherwise, as SFG can manipulate one or two votes easily.

strager wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

strager wrote:

Shouldn't PM's be sent to LS, and she protects (and perhaps tells SFG the votes or who was protected)?

Seems like a poorly-planned role otherwise, as SFG can manipulate one or two votes easily.

thats why i have to forward them, i assume. you cant mess with forwards, thats why youre never allowed to forward in WW games ;o

Well, whatever. I still think it is safer to PM LS.

Mod: Should SFG's role be changed so protection votes are sent to you instead of SFG?

0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

And 0_o, that's WIFOMmy (is that the correct usage?). Mafia would know this and decide not to kill SFG, resulting in a wasted D2 kill. I hope you didn't see this; otherwise, you're looking pretty scummy now.

If SFG was the jester then she is a third party, separate from the mafia and the town. Neither parties want the jester to win, so it would have been in both of their best interests to get rid of her.

adam2046 wrote:

Hmm?
I didn't actually investigate SFG.
I just figured she was the jester...and then something else happened, but whatever that's in the past.

0_o wrote:

So adam how come you haven't made an investigation yet, and if you have why aren't you telling us?

Derekku Chan wrote:

Uh, then he was probably smart and investigated himself and just won't tell us for obvious reasons. God adam did you have to be so difficult

Echo wrote:

@everyone in general

when you assume, you make an ass of u and me

so please don't reply *for* anyone else

adam2046 wrote:

On a different note, I feel slightly uneasy about Echo :/

Echo wrote:

Since he's the only cop left, can we assume he's sane?

adam2046 wrote:

Also I notice a distinct lack of Echo wearing his underpants on the outside in this game which is most likely what's making me feel uneasy. (SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVIOUR OF THE TOOOOOOOOOWN)

Lucidity wrote:

Oh, one last thing I observed is that Echo seems to be quiet and Lurking. He did it on purpose in NM3 as a Mafia Goon...Might be arrogant enough to do it again.

strager wrote:

Also, adam, your investigations results would be reeeeeeeally helpful now.

0_o wrote:

Derekku I have a good feeling about (probably because of the twilight brownie weirdness)

0_o wrote:

Lucidity I am mildly suspicious of, but he did gain some points for resisting to change his vote to adam when the day could have ended at any time

0_o wrote:

This leaves Echo. I can't really find anything that makes me believe he is innocent. adam also pointed out his different behaviour here, which is also a factor.

strager wrote:

0_o wrote:

Derekku I have a good feeling about (probably because of the twilight brownie weirdness)

Meh, I don't. I wouldn't mind him being lynched D1, unless he did have some aux power.

strager wrote:

0_o wrote:

Lucidity I am mildly suspicious of, but he did gain some points for resisting to change his vote to adam when the day could have ended at any time

Wasn't adam already the one to lynch before Lucidity voted?

0_o wrote:

Lucidity can you please change your avatar to something not female so I stop calling you "she"

Lucidity wrote:

strager wrote:

0_o wrote:

Derekku I have a good feeling about (probably because of the twilight brownie weirdness)

Meh, I don't. I wouldn't mind him being lynched D1, unless he did have some aux power.

Lynching a vanilla is better than an aux, but it's still worse than lynching Mafia ;p It's best to attempt to kill Mafia instead of sacrificing townies, no?

Lucidity wrote:

strager wrote:

0_o wrote:

Lucidity I am mildly suspicious of, but he did gain some points for resisting to change his vote to adam when the day could have ended at any time

Wasn't adam already the one to lynch before Lucidity voted?

Not according to this: http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=168449#p168449. There was no official vote count though.

Lucidity wrote:

0_o wrote:

Lucidity can you please change your avatar to something not female so I stop calling you "she"

But Aya is my waifu :3

Lucidity wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

cool im going to vote Lucidity because hes just playing badly and i highly doubt he has an important role other than perhaps mafia

Elaborate.

strager wrote:

Suspiciously, after you make me the vote target, you vote for Echo. Either this was to try and cover up putting me as the highest voted player for lynching, or it was so you could level the votes and have someone decide the lynch after some more discussion. (Several players would have the opportunity to do this.)

strager wrote:

So it's guilty-until-proven-innocent?

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

cool im going to vote Lucidity because hes just playing badly and i highly doubt he has an important role other than perhaps mafia

Elaborate.

if we have a cop and a doctor, any more pro-town roles in a game this small would make the town far too powerful
that means you are 1. a normal townie 2. a neutral role 3. mafia

if youre a jester then sucks for us if we lynch you. not crossing out that possibility. if youre a different neutral role we want to get rid of you. if youre a townie, its better than hitting aux, and if youre a mafia we want you dead anyways

savvy?

Lucidity wrote:

I meant, could you please provide some examples of the bad play. At the moment I'm inclined to believe that you're basing your vote on my previous "attack" on you. (And let's face it. You were acting guilty).

Your role speculation doesn't carry a lot of merit either. Earlier in the game you were quite happy to believe that there were multiple Cops and a Doctor. Now you think that it's too imbalanced? Let's not forget that any guess on Day 1 is just that ... a complete guess. I wouldn't put too much faith in it.

I would also like to submit that we forget about a possible jester role. In a game this small he might be too likely to get lynched and win and in LS's games the Jester doesn't end the game anyway. Personally I wouldn't mind "sharing" the win with the Jester as it doesn't affect the outcome of the game at all...Anyone disagree with that?

1. There is no reason for the role to exist. If who we save is based on votes from the players then what's the point in having a middleman to forward every single vote to LS? Why not send our votes to LS in the first place?
   
2. If there are 7 alive you'd need 4-7 votes (4 being highly unlikely) for any kind of majority. This could take a while to be received by you and then forwarded. Indeed, if the Mafia are sharp (or only 1 person) then they'd submit their night kill as soon as Twilight is announced. I'll go look for it later, but LS mentioned earlier in this thread that actions are carried out immediately when they're received. A doctor role that works like this would be useless.
   
3. The existence of this role makes you innocent. The need for it to be public doesn't make sense to me. Why would LS give us a publicly innocent player?
   
4. There exists the possibility that you're a 3rd party/mafia that needs a majority of our votes to kill someone. This would be a powerful twist in that we'll kill the player that we think is most valuable.