may be it is not popular in ctb,(the playcount is still 200k when i switch to taiko and standard.)MrSake wrote:
I have recently got pp with fairly good rate thanks to good hidden+nightcore/doubletime ranks, but yesterday&today I didn't gain any points even though I did some good top10 ranks like http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=43603&m=2. It has over 200k playcount and I got rank#3 with SS so I though it would give atleast some points...
Well, even with all these obfuscations this new pp system is much better than the old score ranking.
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Yeah, I though something like that too. Because if the system isn't farmable, that means that at some point ranks with certain difficulty must stop giving pp, and maybe I'm just at my limit now.Valentiino wrote:
and the higher you progress, the better scores you always need. So perhaps that map was too easy based on your "playstyle" /speculation
I don't think they ever stop giving, the amount they just give, gets ridicilous low (like lower than 1, so basically to get 1 point, you need multiple of such scores)
So I started playing new maps, and I gained 11000 ranks in PP in one night, while only gaining 300 ranked score ranks. Now I seem to have lost 3000 PP ranks.
PP tends to be very bizarre at lower ranks. Once you maintain some some decent ranks/plays it will probably be more stable (cuz my PP stays pretty much the same no matter what I do lol)
I played new maps, that I never playerd before and my pp is getting up, but improving my old record doesn't give anything, that sucks ...
today I got 182 pp out of two hards played with hidden. the whole rest I played was worth 2 pp, though most of them were easy maps anyway, one was an approved hard, and the otrher a hard played with DT. I got 1600 ranks out of that.
I know, the system doesn't claim to be accurate on lower ranks, but... that's just ridiculous ._.
I know, the system doesn't claim to be accurate on lower ranks, but... that's just ridiculous ._.
The new Best Performance section of your profile, located under "Top Ranks", displays what maps are earning you the most pp. Therefore, this discussion will now be infinitely more productive.
That said, I like how 8 of my top 10 pp givers were mapped by me and the other two are really, really old. I think that's a sign that I need to go off and FC some of the Insanes that I would be able to FC if I sucked up my pride and spent a week or two just playing harder Insanes. Oh, and it does seem that all of my mod-whoring Easy/Normal runs weren't very productive (thank goodness).
That said, I like how 8 of my top 10 pp givers were mapped by me and the other two are really, really old. I think that's a sign that I need to go off and FC some of the Insanes that I would be able to FC if I sucked up my pride and spent a week or two just playing harder Insanes. Oh, and it does seem that all of my mod-whoring Easy/Normal runs weren't very productive (thank goodness).
As an observation~
I've got around 70pp in 2 days without playing~ owo
And days before I got around ~10 pp for ranking #500 or highers.
There are more players that have months with no plays and their pp are increasing :c
I've got around 70pp in 2 days without playing~ owo
And days before I got around ~10 pp for ranking #500 or highers.
There are more players that have months with no plays and their pp are increasing :c
oh wow
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/52407?m=0 is still one of the most pp giving score for me even tho its almost a year old already
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/52407?m=0 is still one of the most pp giving score for me even tho its almost a year old already
This simply sux... <.<
I want the old OSU! ranking system T.T ç___ç
I want the old OSU! ranking system T.T ç___ç
Talking about fluctuations, if you click my profile, check the beginning of my graph.I have yet to see another profile like it.
Old maps are easier to farm rank because few people play them. Some old maps give tons of pp.Ekaru wrote:
That said, I like how 8 of my top 10 pp givers were mapped by me and the other two are really, really old.
[AirCoN] wrote:
Talking about fluctuations, if you click my profile, check the beginning of my graph.I have yet to see another profile like it.
That's because you got very good ranks on completely new maps (which is easy) and then got kicked out of the top 40, top 100 or or even top 500 by better players.
It's funny how my top ranks are almost all hards played so long ago w/o mods :I
easies and normals played with only DT and bad accuracy \o/Valentiino wrote:
It's funny how my top ranks are almost all hards played so long ago w/o mods :I
for me, this system is now a complete and utter failure. it's not important which parameters weight high and which not, if I, as a guy who can fc hardmaps in a range of 100-130 BPM with DT (if they are not to dickish) and is on his way to fc insanes like it is nothing, and still those crappy ranks are worth more than that, then I can't take this remotely serious anymore.
nrii_old
It just updated a few minutes ago, and seems much better nownrii wrote:
the top ranks thing is not correct at all, i have A's on mine that are not even top 200 (yet many top 6's)Valentiino wrote:
It's funny how my top ranks are almost all hards played so long ago w/o mods :I
Altough a bit funny in a way
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/144810 <== My "Best" performance (Yes, this map isn't ranked anymore)Valentiino wrote:
It just updated a few minutes ago, and seems much better now
Altough a bit funny in a way
My pp dropped from 6045 (#43) to 5205 (#612) this afternoon, very interesting.
and lol graph:
and lol graph:
I guess someone went and stole all of your scores :<xsrsbsns wrote:
My pp dropped from 6045 (#43) to 5205 (#612) this afternoon, very interesting.
and lol graph:
I have the same problem. I don't think it's because of this.Mithost wrote:
I guess someone went and stole all of your scores :<xsrsbsns wrote:
My pp dropped from 6045 (#43) to 5205 (#612) this afternoon, very interesting.
and lol graph:
wow that is messed upxsrsbsns wrote:
My pp dropped from 6045 (#43) to 5205 (#612) this afternoon, very interesting.
and lol graph:
Don't worry about it. Just play and wait for the next update and it should go back to normal.
Oh, so I played a random map and it immediately went back up again.
Now if someone would just fix the graph :/
Now if someone would just fix the graph :/
i dont have any awesome performance either 
now you do
guessing best performance are maps that uh.. give the most pp for you
guessing best performance are maps that uh.. give the most pp for you
im very suprised by watercolor, lonely dreaming girl and paradise on earth being in there.
the only maps that actually took me some effort are hiiro no qualia, in the sky and flutterwonder anyway.
i also just gained almost 70pp for doing nothing
the only maps that actually took me some effort are hiiro no qualia, in the sky and flutterwonder anyway.
i also just gained almost 70pp for doing nothing
Stuff that really bothers about the pp amounts, is that there are way too many maps, which has Hard as their hardest diff and they give bunch of pp for DT plays.
Yet, stuff like this might give you astonishing amount of 0pp http://osu.ppy.sh/b/123446 (#24)
Yet, stuff like this might give you astonishing amount of 0pp http://osu.ppy.sh/b/123446 (#24)
There was another recalculation I think. I went from 4994 to 5129 also by doing nothing haha.silmarilen wrote:
i also just gained almost 70pp for doing nothing
heh... so I'm not the only one... (and my pp isn't updating after playing some random map, I guess I'll just wait...)Nashmun wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/144810 <== My "Best" performance (Yes, this map isn't ranked anymore)Valentiino wrote:
It just updated a few minutes ago, and seems much better now
Altough a bit funny in a way
lolcubes wrote:
There was another recalculation I think. I went from 4994 to 5129 also by doing nothing haha.
I noticed I've magically gained about 200 points so a recalculation would make the most sense. I thought maybe unranked maps were somehow being counted since that is all I've been playing lately. LOL
i doubt that because i rarely play unranked maps
Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one who had some weird up and down PP changes.
Was an assumption on my part and I was joking about that too. Pretty sure i would have gained way more than 450 ranks if unranked maps were being counted. lolsilmarilen wrote:
i doubt that because i rarely play unranked maps
no pp for yoda
Anyone who experiences problems with pp, needs to play a map and wait for the update. It should sort itself out.
I cried when I saw that LOLkriers wrote:
no pp for yoda
It seems something is going on with this again haha. Back to low pp/acc. ;_;
This.lolcubes wrote:
It seems something is going on with this again haha. Back to low pp/acc. ;_;
I'm sad now ;_;
I was so happy to see a large increase yesterday
And now they're gone ;w ;
And now they're gone ;w ;
it still says my rank is #790 even tho it's not lol
I can understand that some maps on my Best Performance took quite an effort, but...
With that said, the pp system still needs an improvement...
Also, if someone wants to beat me in Just Communication map, it's impossible because it has 0 spinners...
EDIT: I just realized that my pp has been boosted up to 5,187pp overnight. lol
- Two - Mix - Just Communication [Easy]... seriously?? An Easy map that contribute a lot of my pp?? If the list is ordered by how much pp it gives you, apparently it gives a lot more than Hard/Insane maps I played... <.<;;
- 3rd Coast - Luv Flow [Normal]... Well, not so easy yet not so hard as well. I'm surprised that it's also on the list.
With that said, the pp system still needs an improvement...
Also, if someone wants to beat me in Just Communication map, it's impossible because it has 0 spinners...
EDIT: I just realized that my pp has been boosted up to 5,187pp overnight. lol
Yeah, me too. +75 yesterday.AkiShizuha wrote:
I was so happy to see a large increase yesterday
And now they're gone ;w ;
But only 16 of them vanished tonight, so... X)
@Winshley: Yeah. For me, there have been a lot of Hard-Diff maps, where I got #6, #7, #11 or sth like that because nobody plays them. xD
Cascada - Truly Madly Deeply (Nightcore Mix) for example.
I went from 4570-4240 randomly, then back up then back down again. System glitched?
WTF IS THIS SHIT
And when I was oh so close to 6k.
oh my god
everyone is on a roller coaster now
everyone is on a roller coaster now
HOLY SHIT
My pp decreased by 444! What a nice number. <3
peppy wrote:
Fixed a bug that I introduced a while back when caching per-map weightings. Get prepared for a bit of a bumpy ride as I also plan on changing some more weighting elements based on user feedback. In other good news, pp can be calculated fast enough that it can be run in realtime now; just need to finish the logistics of that.
Can I please take a moment to urge everyone to ignore changes to their pp, instead focusing on changes to their performance *rank*. pp changes mean nothing if they affect everyone, which they do if you see a sudden drop/increase.
Dropped 957pp in CTB, w.t.f?
thats about 6.3k rank too, up to 8k+ T_T
thats about 6.3k rank too, up to 8k+ T_T
peppy wrote:
...Can I please take a moment to urge everyone to ignore changes to their pp, instead focusing on changes to their performance *rank*. pp changes mean nothing if they affect everyone, which they do if you see a sudden drop/increase.
I was #931 wit 3974 PP ......... WTF?
931 !!!!!! -3000 T_T
I forgot to add that my acc decreased by 0,10% in ctb.
is it really that hard to read? or your need of crying is overwhelming your common sensepeppy wrote:
Yes, I am making constant changes to the calculations. Your pp might drop or rise, but so will everyone else's. For more specifics on what I am working on, you can check this changelog.
I think longer marathon maps give you much more pp than they should. ZUN - ZUN Nonstop Medley gave me probably over a hundred pp after i got a 3k combo on it, and it only took me a couple tries to get. I mean, I like the (almost) free pp and all but it seems sort of unfair considering pp is meant to show skill; and sheer consistency in playing isn't all that hard compared to S-ranking shorter insane maps with Hidden.
Someone brought it to my attention that their PP was a good bit higher than mine, but their rank was a good bit lower. Is this a part that whole "ignore changes to PP and focus on rank" thing, or what? Just curious.
1. Ignore the fact pp existsG0r wrote:
Someone brought it to my attention that their PP was a good bit higher than mine, but their rank was a good bit lower. Is this a part that whole "ignore changes to PP and focus on rank" thing, or what? Just curious.
2. Get as many #1's in the mean time
3. ???
4. Profit
May I know why this new rec didn't give me PP at all?
http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=29844&m=2
And please save your "You didn't wait enough" sentence, since It's been like an hour and nothing yet.
Lol it isn't even in my top best performance ranks.
http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=29844&m=2
And please save your "You didn't wait enough" sentence, since It's been like an hour and nothing yet.
Lol it isn't even in my top best performance ranks.
Have you not read the thread? Have you not seen http://puu.sh/NtBX right below you pp chart? Have you read peppy's changelog?VelperK wrote:
May I know why this new rec didn't give me PP at all?
http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=29844&m=2
And please save your "You didn't wait enough" sentence, since It's been like an hour and nothing yet.
Lol it isn't even in my top best performance ranks.
peppy is doing some (massive? well at least seemingly big) changes to pp. Everything that will be happening (or not happening) to pp is going to be related to that. You guys need to just chill out and stop complaining. Things will sort itself out. Once peppy says he's done with. everything and something is still wrong, then you might have a right to complain.
fartownik wrote:
is it really that hard to read? or your need of crying is overwhelming your common sensepeppy wrote:
Yes, I am making constant changes to the calculations. Your pp might drop or rise, but so will everyone else's. For more specifics on what I am working on, you can check this changelog.
Well I just asked because everything seemed to stabilize now and everybody is increasing their ranks as before, so you don't need to defend peppy so fiercely.
Maybe it's because I just got 1 more rank in the scoreboard only, and the fact that the map isn't quite popular so yeah...
Maybe it's because I just got 1 more rank in the scoreboard only, and the fact that the map isn't quite popular so yeah...
This. I'll just ignore the pp system if it's not really complete yet.winber1 wrote:
1. Ignore the fact pp exists
2. Get as many #1's in the mean time
3. ???
4. Profit
How do I know which maps that I've played are in the top 500? I went to Top Ranked on my profile page and I didn't see a map in my top 500, but when I go on Osu! I see that I have a map that is #202.
Thank you!
Thank you!
You really can't know unless you go into the osu! game. I trust in my senses that I'm not completely blind to some huge new update.
Also, I have no idea how best performance is calculated, and it seems kinda meh (as in not all that accurate imo), so you best not really pay much attention to the new updates until peppy finalizes them. Also a rank #202 isn't going to be in Top Ranks most likely, since it still seems pretty low on the ranking charts, even for your rank, though I guess it depends on the map (cuz an insane rank #202 on a popular map would probably give you a lot), but I'm assuming it isn't something like that.
it also probably would have been a better idea to ask this question in the other PP thread here
Also, I have no idea how best performance is calculated, and it seems kinda meh (as in not all that accurate imo), so you best not really pay much attention to the new updates until peppy finalizes them. Also a rank #202 isn't going to be in Top Ranks most likely, since it still seems pretty low on the ranking charts, even for your rank, though I guess it depends on the map (cuz an insane rank #202 on a popular map would probably give you a lot), but I'm assuming it isn't something like that.
it also probably would have been a better idea to ask this question in the other PP thread here
Well, I had my computer rebooted and all my maps were gone. And under the Top Ranks thing, I saw a map of mine that was 280 or something, and I brought it up to #202. It was like Best Performance or something. Thank you though.
And under the Top Ranks thing, I saw a map of mine that was 280 or something, and I brought it up to #202. It was like Best Performance or something. Thank you though.You could also use this site to check your top 40's, but that's about it (the site does NOT update immediately, it takes quite a while actually to update). I don't really know a way to find all your ranks.
My harddrive died in December last year, so I know how it felt to lose all my maps ~8000 total beatmaps (which is not all that much compared to some other people, but still a decent amount). I have about 11000 now, but I'm still missing a lot of my old maps that I had played. I kinda feel like I'm missing a big part of osu! because of it, but I still make do :/
My harddrive died in December last year, so I know how it felt to lose all my maps
~8000 total beatmaps (which is not all that much compared to some other people, but still a decent amount). I have about 11000 now, but I'm still missing a lot of my old maps that I had played. I kinda feel like I'm missing a big part of osu! because of it, but I still make do :/I probably don't have one in the top 40. I've been lingering in and out of osu.
Wow, that's sad. Losing 8000 maps. lol. And you got 11000 maps back in 8 months. I think you were just DL-ing whenever possible. xD.
Wow, that's sad. Losing 8000 maps. lol. And you got 11000 maps back in 8 months. I think you were just DL-ing whenever possible. xD.
It's not songs, just beatmaps. A mapset can include multiple beatmaps. If I were to randomly guess, it's probably around like 1500 songs or something, or maybe i'm overestimating the number of beatmaps in a mapset.
At first, I just downloaded like 5000 maps immediately (using beatmap packs and such). I've always been playing recently ranked maps, so since that day I've been accumulating maps from recently ranked ones. Nowadays, I'm beginning to stop my "download all recently ranked maps" style of play, mostly cause it's beginning to become a hassle to always be like "I MUST PLAY ALL RECENTLY RANKED MAPS."
At first, I just downloaded like 5000 maps immediately (using beatmap packs and such). I've always been playing recently ranked maps, so since that day I've been accumulating maps from recently ranked ones. Nowadays, I'm beginning to stop my "download all recently ranked maps" style of play, mostly cause it's beginning to become a hassle to always be like "I MUST PLAY ALL RECENTLY RANKED MAPS."
But you have to try them all out once! What if there's a cool one in there that you'll miss by not trying it?winber1 wrote:
"I MUST PLAY ALL RECENTLY RANKED MAPS."
Also @ the new "Best Performance" is totally messed up. B rank on this map with #302 map rank, gained 4 months ago on a whim (played that map in MP just because the song was funny) is considered Best Performance? Seriously what? And yet #167, #415, #264, #337, not worth anything? Or even nomod #594, and yes the system doesn't take into account over 500 but come on, and that's a big flaw in it considering how it works. Just let players pick their own top plays.
It seems that old maps give more pp. Looks like the pp system encourages playing old maps for ppAqo wrote:
Also @ the new "Best Performance" is totally messed up. B rank on this map with #302 map rank, gained 4 months ago on a whim (played that map in MP just because the song was funny) is considered Best Performance? Seriously what? And yet #167, #415, #264, #337, not worth anything? Or even nomod #594, and yes the system doesn't take into account over 500 but come on, and that's a big flaw in it considering how it works. Just let players pick their own top plays.
My 2 years of drilling old maps will be so worth it finallydarkmiz wrote:
It seems that old maps give more pp. Looks like the pp system encourages playing old maps for pp
Before PP: Must play old maps to increase your maximum score.
After PP: Must play old maps to get the best PP fastest and easiest.
Progress!
After PP: Must play old maps to get the best PP fastest and easiest.
Progress!
My Best Performance map listing is full of old maps, apparently.
Aqo wrote:
Before PP: Must play old maps to increase your maximum score.
After PP: Must play old maps to get the best PP fastest and easiest.
Progress!
getting more PP from a B on a [Normal] map from 2009 than from several different approved maps that most people can't even play.G0r wrote:
At least now you have to do a good job on them.
good firetrucking job
Merged the PP question topic with this one.
Please use this thread to discuss PP related things. Don't open new threads to prevent the bloat spreading.
Please use this thread to discuss PP related things. Don't open new threads to prevent the bloat spreading.
Seeing the new changes in the PP system, i'll give my two cents regarding to this one:
This is completely unfair in CtB, since because of a silly droplet miss you loose the complete bonus which is ridiculous imo.
It may be comprehensible in standard, where is very hard to get just one 100 hit and the rest 300. Or maybe even taiko, but not CtB.
This is completely unfair in CtB, since because of a silly droplet miss you loose the complete bonus which is ridiculous imo.
It may be comprehensible in standard, where is very hard to get just one 100 hit and the rest 300. Or maybe even taiko, but not CtB.
GJ, just proved it's hard to get SS. Now everything will still be the same.VelperK wrote:
Seeing the new changes in the PP system, i'll give my two cents regarding to this one:
This is completely unfair in CtB, since because of a silly droplet miss you loose the complete bonus which is ridiculous imo.
It may be comprehensible in standard, where is very hard to get just one 100 hit and the rest 300. Or maybe even taiko, but not CtB.
Yeah well, my english doesn't help me with this and thus you didn't get my point well.BlazingFX wrote:
GJ, just proved it's hard to get SS. Now everything will still be the same.VelperK wrote:
Seeing the new changes in the PP system, i'll give my two cents regarding to this one:
This is completely unfair in CtB, since because of a silly droplet miss you loose the complete bonus which is ridiculous imo.
It may be comprehensible in standard, where is very hard to get just one 100 hit and the rest 300. Or maybe even taiko, but not CtB.
What I meant was that it's MUCH harder to get SS in standard/taiko than in CtB. The latter requires just luck mostly, if you got the minimum skills (which aren't t hard to get at all) to do regular insane diffs.
SunnyMario wins >.>
So this is the reason my pp gets bumped up, eh?VelperK wrote:
Then how is bonus priority?
SS > Pefect(not SS) > FC(missing slider end) ?
SS > Pefect(not SS) > FC(missing slider end) ?
I hope flashlight gives no extra pp, only being rewarding due to the higher rank you get (while doubletime would give extra pp on top of that)
Giving people more pp because they got an SS is the exact same as giving people an extra multiplier for using sudden death.
Not really.jesse1412 wrote:
Giving people more pp because they got an SS is the exact same as giving people an extra multiplier for using sudden death.
Thats just bad comparison from jesse.
A play with one or two 100s isn't worth significantly less than an SS.
A play with one or two 100s isn't worth significantly less than an SS.
I don't really see how it's a bad comparison. You are already rewarded for getting your SS by having a higher rank on the map which on its own gives more pp - if this isn't already a good enough reward it's probably because other people used mods in which case so should you rather than being rewarded for getting an easy SS. If someone plays a map with sudden death and passes they shouldn't get an extra reward for doing it. It's the same with SS, if you manage it congratulations you got 1 or 2 less 100's; This doesn't warrant an additional boost in pp.
In most of the cases 96%~ hidden is already ahead of a nomod SS. In rank comparison atleast. Since we don't exactly know how PP works we can't really compare by how much. We just know now that the SS is actually worth extra compared to nomod FC. We still don't know how much extra though, and it's probably not that noticeably much.jesse1412 wrote:
I don't really see how it's a bad comparison. You are already rewarded for getting your SS by having a higher rank on the map which on its own gives more pp - if this isn't already a good enough reward it's probably because other people used mods in which case so should you rather than being rewarded for getting an easy SS. If someone plays a map with sudden death and passes they shouldn't get an extra reward for doing it. It's the same with SS, if you manage it congratulations you got 1 or 2 less 100's; This doesn't warrant an additional boost in pp.
Well, getting 1 miss shouldn't be punished as much as well then? ~jesse1412 wrote:
I don't really see how it's a bad comparison. You are already rewarded for getting your SS by having a higher rank on the map which on its own gives more pp - if this isn't already a good enough reward it's probably because other people used mods in which case so should you rather than being rewarded for getting an easy SS. If someone plays a map with sudden death and passes they shouldn't get an extra reward for doing it. It's the same with SS, if you manage it congratulations you got 1 or 2 less 100's; This doesn't warrant an additional boost in pp.
nrii_old
This essentially is what I'm trying to say.nrii wrote:
i think jesses point is the difference between 1 100 and 0 100s is the same as the difference of 50 100s and 51 100s, purely the acc and score difference is reward enough
having 0x 100 means you have perfect accuracy, having 1 means you lost that perfect accuracy.
having 50x 100 or having 51x 100 both means your accuracy sucks
its the fact that you performed the song glawlessly that makes it better
having 50x 100 or having 51x 100 both means your accuracy sucks
its the fact that you performed the song glawlessly that makes it better
that's in theorysilmarilen wrote:
having 0x 100 means you have perfect accuracy, having 1 means you lost that perfect accuracy.
having 50x 100 or having 51x 100 both means your accuracy sucks
its the fact that you performed the song glawlessly that makes it better
but the system doesn't take into account the amount of retries people do for their ranks, and I've seen how people play in spec
here is what it's really like
0x 100 - 99% of the time - means you cared enough to grind the same map for an hour until you had an SS run on it
If the system actually took into account the amount of retries people had on maps you'd be able to say stuff like "this guy had an SS on this on his first try, he's actually good!", but with the current system scores are more a display of effort/time than skill. Someone can have a ton of really good accuracy scores simply because he grinds the same maps over and over again, and if you'd watch his average run on a map his accuracy would actually blow. If you're ignoring the amount of retries, weighting values for corner cases should be moderated.
The PP system also doesn't (or at least so is being claimed) reduce points for bad plays, only give points for good plays, which supports even more grinding for accuracy over actually being good at being accurate. If you'd lose points for bad plays grinding would be impossible and how accurate a player is would actually show. I do think not reducing points for bad plays has some merit because reduction might discourage players from playing stuff that is hard for them due to fear of losing points, but the fact remains that if this is how you want your system to work you just can't poll information like this and expect it to be anywhere near real representation of skill.
The old scores system measured effort and time. The current way PP works, also, measures effort and time spent, over actual skill. A real skill-based system would give a lot of players very bad ranking until they'd actually learn to play better, and apparently people just can't handle it. A number on the internet dictates your worth as a circle-clicking human oh god no. PP just tries to round corners and by doing so it doesn't make sense and doesn't live up to its premise.
Irregardless of how many times you tried to get the score, you still got it, meaning thats what you are able to do, and that result is what you'll get the points for. Counting the amount of times it took you to reach the goal and cutting it off the PP you gain would be quite silly, in my opinion at least.
Trying to achieve a good accuracy is in a way improving, so you're in a way asking for people who take longer time to achieve improvement to get less of a reward? Skill comes with practice, you know.
Trying to achieve a good accuracy is in a way improving, so you're in a way asking for people who take longer time to achieve improvement to get less of a reward? Skill comes with practice, you know.
nrii_old
i agree to an extent, but pp goes A DAMN LONG WAY to being skill based in comparison to old ranks. obviousl a system will ALWAYS require effort and time, such as the world chess ratings; you cant just beat the current world top and then you are the world top. you have to work your way up through tournaments and gain rating, regardless of how good you were to begin with.( though i believe you can play at a higher level if you want to and gain faster but thats same as jumping into high level insanes and going to 4k pp in a day)Aqo wrote:
The old scores system measured effort and time. The current way PP works, also, measures effort and time spent, over actual skill.
all rating systems require effort and time to increase your rating to its true level, but skill is the limiting factor (unlike old score where skill wasnt an issue (atleast for most decent players))
The thing is, you ARE improving by practicing that, but the actual amount of skill you end up with varies. A person who grinded a map until getting an SS run on it will still not be able to get an SS every time he plays it again, while a person who got that SS in just one or two tries will be able to get it again many times with ease. That's why the amount of tries has to affect your /skill/ rating. If the person who grinded that map actually got good enough to SS all maps of that level on his first try, good for him! The moment he plays some other maps it will show on his skill rating. But if he keeps getting mediocre accuracies in most of his tries, while somebody else gets good accuracies in very little tries, this should show - or else as mentioned earlier, the system would rate effort and not skill.boat wrote:
Irregardless of how many times you tried to get the score, you still got it, meaning thats what you are able to do, and that result is what you'll get the points for. Counting the amount of times it took you to reach the goal and cutting it off the PP you gain would be quite silly, in my opinion at least.
Trying to achieve a good accuracy is in a way improving, so you're in a way asking for people who take longer time to achieve improvement to get less of a reward?
nrii mentioned chess ratings. In ELO, it both goes up based on your success and down based on your failures, that's why it correctly rates skill. Yes, you need to put effort into actually playing to get information to be polled for the system, but the way it works makes sense and ensures sensible results.