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BlazingFX

Jordan wrote:

I'm losing 4pp a day since 3 days. EXACTLY 4pp a day. I don't understand why... It's not like I can stay every day playing osu! to get them back =_=
Its K i've been losing 19 a day. Most from new maps. Some from who knows where
Owait only lost 17 today.
lolcubes

BlazingFX wrote:

Jordan wrote:

I'm losing 4pp a day since 3 days. EXACTLY 4pp a day. I don't understand why... It's not like I can stay every day playing osu! to get them back =_=
Its K i've been losing 19 a day. Most from new maps. Some from who knows where
Owait only lost 17 today.
I had this as well until I stopped just going for the fc/SS. Once I reached a somewhat high rank on a map and kept it, I found myself not losing almost anything. Keep in mind that first day a map is ranked it's pp will be highly unstable. Sometimes for a regular SS you might gain like 30 pp (on my pp level) but then you will lose quite a bit after the next recalculation. This is normal though.
Hanyuu
pp system is working good but it still a big joke and many inbalance in measurement of skill of player
Hanyuu
you go talk about approval and ranked somewhere else

i mean the judgement of this system? my best record was a hard beatmap i played with double time...
i got top 20 ranks in marathons ...
i FC insane diffs with flashlight over 600 combos too i think and i SSed a val0108 map without mods

and the flashlight playes did not even register in the best plays list, i wonder if they even count

its maybe good but it seems so fake and generated, its not a good result
Hanyuu
besides people even talking about farming PP

http://osu.ppy.sh/u/klubek he is a noob
lolcubes


Hanyuu
wow better performance

more points

it only needs a little adjustement to filter out to good from the better
TheVileOne
So something peppy is doing because of a decision based on performance points is not something related to performance points. I don't understand that at all. I mean this decision is like trying to put out a fire by pouring gas on it. It's just a horrible idea!
Hanyuu
you can not judge this because your not a good enough player but in high level play and even very known players they will receive a worst rating because of how things are.
lolcubes
How does changing the approved score into ranked score have anything to do with pp?
It doesn't. Both categories were giving pp. Please, stay on topic, if you want to discuss score of approvals going towards your ranked score, open a new thread about it.
Hanyuu
it doesnt matter at all if approved or ranked lolcubes

i just say this system need alot more fine tuning

YOU CAN NEVER have a hard player OUTCLASS insane player and never even harder outclass worse and even harder and eveeen harder and ... theres allways a step above and putting mods on a map and abusing seems common to gain ranks
lolcubes

Hanyuu wrote:

it doesnt matter at all if approved or ranked lolcubes

i just say this system need alot more fine tuning
I know, but some people were getting the wrong idea. I had to clean this thread up a little bit. :v
silmarilen
pp works perfectly as it does exactly what peppy intended it to do. just because we think it is supposed to show our skill based on map difficulty does not mean that was peppy's intent

/thread
TheVileOne
WTF does this have to do with anything. I'm a mapper/modder. We have a balanced system and it needs to be fair. This decision is reckless on peppy's part and the rules don't have any guidelines for changing approval maps for them to be balanced under this new system. There was no discussion about it. peppy just decided to do it, screw the consequences.

Approval maps were NEVER intended to count towards official ranking.
Hanyuu
well im a player

and im just thinking about it.. beside i dont really care about pp im just playing my way im just saying it is not so perfect as it should be
lolcubes

TheVileOne wrote:

WTF does this have to do with anything. I'm a mapper/modder. We have a balanced system and it needs to be fair. This decision is reckless on peppy's part and the rules don't have any guidelines for changing approval maps for them to be balanced under this new system. There was no discussion about it. peppy just decided to do it, screw the consequences.

lolcubes wrote:

How does changing the approved score into ranked score have anything to do with pp?
It doesn't. Both categories were giving pp. Please, stay on topic, if you want to discuss score of approvals going towards your ranked score, open a new thread about it.
This change doesn't affect pp at all.
Refer to this post about what this thread is about: p/1743663
CXu

TheVileOne wrote:

WTF does this have to do with anything. I'm a mapper/modder. We have a balanced system and it needs to be fair. This decision is reckless on peppy's part and the rules don't have any guidelines for changing approval maps for them to be balanced under this new system. There was no discussion about it. peppy just decided to do it, screw the consequences.

Approval maps were NEVER intended to count towards official ranking.
This was planned like 2938384 years ago. Oh, and it was never intended to make a approval section in the first place afaik, but was made so there were no imba score difference when paraparamax got approved. Then Approved turned into the place to throw maps that didnt fit the ranking criteria.


WELL ANYHOW, this isn't related to pp, yeah.

On-topic: pp is about performance. If you're looking for skill, you wont find it in some numbers, just go spec people and determine yourself.
HD+DT'ing a bunch of [Hard]'s could be concidered a great performance anyway, so saying "lolnoob" is kind of harsh. Still, pp works well, other than some weird mapweightings. (repeating stuff already said in thread like a baws)
TheVileOne
Okay stop being ignorant. My whole point for these things is that pp should not be applied for approval maps. Is this not related to pp?

Stop acting like I don't know what I'm talking about.
lolcubes
Why shouldn't it be? Approved maps aren't super gimmicky or anything. Just maps with high score/combo/song length.
Hanyuu
BUT your writing like that omg. what does approval have to do with any TV size that is even as hard or harder. ok its longer

you dont even play

AND THERE ARE SOME MARATHONS THAT ARE HARD DIFFS ACTUALLY BUT THEY APPROVED BECAUSE OF LENGHT
TheVileOne
I feel like I'm repeating myself.

Approval maps should not count towards pp because they do not follow the rules of ranked maps.

I can't say it any simpler than that.
silmarilen
they do follow the rules of ranked maps, the only thing thats different is the max score and difficulty spread
CXu
90% of approval maps follows the rules of ranked maps save length or difficulty. Neither of these points makes an approval map less qualified to be rated for pp.
Hanyuu
omg
he dont even know what approval maps are
lolcubes

TheVileOne wrote:

Approval maps should not count towards pp because they do not follow the rules of ranked maps.
Except for the length/score rule, which rules they don't follow?
If you are saying this just because rule A needs changing, then you aren't bringing anything constructive, only destructive. Rather go poke the rules in this case, which I am sure they will get poked because of this change.
TheVileOne
They can have a single difficulty, and do not follow the full mapset rule.


Edit: These are three rules they don't follow. I have already proven my point here. In order to rated fairly towards ranked maps, they need to follow the same rules.
lolcubes
How does this affect pp?
pp is based per difficulty, not highest difficulty/highest score in the mapset. This is the difference between ranked score and pp as well.

TheVileOne wrote:

I have already proven my point here. In order to rated fairly towards ranked maps, they need to follow the same rules.
You didn't prove anything. You are also very wrong. I think.
If you think you're right, that's ok too. Just don't demand anything without completely understanding everything, ok?
Hanyuu

TheVileOne wrote:

They can have a single difficulty, and do not follow the full mapset rule.

ok then... explain the REALLY REASON why approval maps should not count into performance
kriers
I love popcorn and a quarrel.


Don't mind me *munch* *munch*
CXu
hi kriers
Hanyuu
Hey i just S rank this approval map and it was so hard and difficult to play and im so HAPPY i even PASSED it. then this guy, it should not count ..
MillhioreF

CXu wrote:

hi kriers
lolcubes
Well, let's just keep on topic now, if possible, please.
TheVileOne
Balance!

Many approval difficulties are so difficult that they rate higher than 5.00 stars. These maps give ridiculous amounts of pp. Much more pp than any ranked map. Also it's not fair that approval maps lack easier modes that are supposed to give newer players pp. So these songs are only there to give pp to players of a pro level and give nothing to anyone else.
jesse1412

TheVileOne wrote:

I feel like I'm repeating myself.

Approval maps should not count towards pp because they do not follow the rules of ranked maps.

I can't say it any simpler than that.
approval maps are hard so they shouldn't count towards skill level omg I can't pass pls i cri


TheVileOne wrote:

Balance!

Many approval difficulties are so difficult that they rate higher than 5.00 stars. These maps give ridiculous amounts of pp. Much more pp than any ranked map. Also it's not fair that approval maps lack easier modes that are supposed to give newer players pp. So these songs are only there to give pp to players of a pro level and give nothing to anyone else.
they don't give more pp your points are invalid go away.
BrokenArrow
Hanyuu this is getting nowhere
Hanyuu
scrolls back a few pages~

Hanyuu wrote:

pp system is working good but it still a big joke and many inbalance in measurement of skill of player
Hanyuu

TheVileOne wrote:

Balance!

Many approval difficulties are so difficult that they rate higher than 5.00 stars. These maps give ridiculous amounts of pp. Much more pp than any ranked map. Also it's not fair that approval maps lack easier modes that are supposed to give newer players pp. So these songs are only there to give pp to players of a pro level and give nothing to anyone else.
DO YOU EVEN HAVE ANY IDEA???? YOUR ONLY ASSUMPTIONS YOUR NOT EVEN PLAYIN SEREA GOT 1 PP FOR FREEDOM DIVE
CXu

TheVileOne wrote:

Balance!

Many approval difficulties are so difficult that they rate higher than 5.00 stars. These maps give ridiculous amounts of pp. Much more pp than any ranked map. Also it's not fair that approval maps lack easier modes that are supposed to give newer players pp. So these songs are only there to give pp to players of a pro level and give nothing to anyone else.
Fun fact: this gives a ridiculous amount of pp.
And by your logic it's not fair that [Insane] should give more pp than [Easy] because newer players can't get the pp from the [Insane]
lolcubes

TheVileOne wrote:

Many approval difficulties are so difficult that they rate higher than 5.00 stars. These maps give ridiculous amounts of pp. Much more pp than any ranked map. Also it's not fair that approval maps lack easier modes that are supposed to give newer players pp. So these songs are only there to give pp to players of a pro level and give nothing to anyone else.
PP is not based on score. Most of the approval maps give considerably less PP too, so you are wrong on that account as well. I have a number of 1-3x100 on some approval maps and they gave me maybe half of pp I gained from SSing a hard with hidden and DT. Please, if you are unsure about how pp works, check the wiki. Don't assume that harder = more pp, because while it should be like this, there is just not a good way to "describe" hard into numbers so it affects pp like it probably should, atleast not yet.
You are also checking star ratings which have NOTHING to do with pp, absolutely nothing.
friendok58

Hanyuu wrote:

TheVileOne wrote:

Balance!

Many approval difficulties are so difficult that they rate higher than 5.00 stars. These maps give ridiculous amounts of pp. Much more pp than any ranked map. Also it's not fair that approval maps lack easier modes that are supposed to give newer players pp. So these songs are only there to give pp to players of a pro level and give nothing to anyone else.
DO YOU EVEN HAVE ANY IDEA???? YOUR ONLY ASSUMPTIONS YOUR NOT EVEN PLAYIN SEREA GOT 1 PP FOR FREEDOM DIVE



i got 0pp from this : (
Hanyuu

lolcubes wrote:

TheVileOne wrote:

Many approval difficulties are so difficult that they rate higher than 5.00 stars. These maps give ridiculous amounts of pp. Much more pp than any ranked map. Also it's not fair that approval maps lack easier modes that are supposed to give newer players pp. So these songs are only there to give pp to players of a pro level and give nothing to anyone else.
PP is not based on score. Most of the approval maps give considerably less PP too, so you are wrong on that account as well. I have a number of 1-3x100 on some approval maps and they gave me maybe half of pp I gained from SSing a hard with hidden and DT. Please, if you are unsure about how pp works, check the wiki. Don't assume that harder = more pp, because while it should be like this, there is just not a good way to "describe" hard into numbers so it affects pp like it probably should, atleast not yet.
You are also checking star ratings which have NOTHING to do with pp, absolutely nothing.

pp system is working good but it still a big joke and many inbalance in measurement of skill of player
CXu
pp stands for performance points. Performance =/= skills.
There still seems to be a misunderstanding about this: pp is not there to measure how skilled you are in osu!
Unless my English comprehension skills sucks and Performance can in some way be read as "skill"
lolcubes
Pretty much what CXu said here. Is still a bit off and we all know it too, just give it time I guess.
Hanyuu
but it shows the players with more PP over the rest

and if i remember right this was the so long awaited system to show who is really good because before it was "rank whoring" and "map farming" for score.

now i hear it does not mean how good a player is

what the hell really
TheVileOne
Oh really they aren't imbalanced. So that's why half of cookiezi's top performances are approval difficulties. Hmm out of all of his scores, half of the top of the top are approvals. (The top 3 are approvals) Explain this to me.
friendok58


topic so good makes me lol
CXu
Explain... What?
He did a great job ranking high/first place/whatever on a hard map --> he was rewarded pp for said score.
I don't see your problem.
lolcubes
Sigh.
I might unlock this tomorrow. This is getting nowhere fast.
lolcubes
Lets give this another try.
Froslass
go the hell away friendok

locking again until you're banned
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