Well in all seriousness I actually respect FL players a lot.[CSGA]Ar3sgice wrote:
people generally dislike FL players
Some people (like me) can't actually use DT on harder maps, which is why I used FL mod because I'm pretty good at memorizing anyway.bomber34 wrote:
It is much easier to do DT with anything combined like HR/HD than anything with FL involved.
For this, I can't help but to agree with this though, which is kinda depressing.bomber34 wrote:
Most people seem to hate FL, because it is the easiest mod to cheat with in any way.
).This.JappyBabes wrote:
Takes too much time.
This-Athena- wrote:
Well in all seriousness I actually respect FL players a lot.
They have good memory and attention to detail, being careful not to make careless mistakes, they work hard for their FL FC's.
Especially people like azuraer who manage to stay at the top using this mod even though their play style is greatly disadvantageous. (hint: mouse only big big yeahXD)
Ephemeral wrote:
no real skill involved beyond rote memorisation and not even that on some map
From my point of view, FLHD plays generally have more scores than most DTHD plays. I think that's because FL players tend to get higher accuracy compared to DT players.Glass wrote:
because FL HD is way too time-consuming compared to DT HD, AND you get similar scores
He argues that the extra time spent to learn FL over DT isn't worth that small increase in score due to accuracy.Frizz925 wrote:
From my point of view, FLHD plays generally have more scores than most DTHD plays. I think that's because FL players tend to get higher accuracy compared to DT players.Glass wrote:
because FL HD is way too time-consuming compared to DT HD, AND you get similar scores
Aka mainstream osu! player of 2012.G0r wrote:
I am one of those weird people who thinks that speed and accuracy amount to skill
I disagree really, Flashlight is by far harder than doubletime on most beatmaps.darkmiz wrote:
I believe Flashlight score multiplier should be changed to lower than doubletime. Lots of people use FL to beat Cookiezi's DT scores. And they get more PP with better accuracy.
True, but there are some players who prefers getting high scores on single beatmap rather than chasing for a whole bunch of Ranked scores (and that pretty much explains who I am).those wrote:
He argues that the extra time spent to learn FL over DT isn't worth that small increase in score due to accuracy.
Regarding this, I do notice that cheaters who tampered osu! game internally could get banned pretty soon as it can be detected (as claimed by peppy). I'm more concerned about some cheaters who uses hardware-based cheat method (e.g: input splitters for FL mod. I don't even know how this looked like, but some said so), because it's not detectable. Hence there's no proof that the said player is cheating.kriers wrote:
There are hackers in every mod, and I wish the admins the best of luck to catch these losers.
Fixed.XGeneral2000 wrote:
When I try FL, I usually remember generally how a pattern will go, but I don't remember exactly where the notes are, so I'm bound to miss one by a fewmillimeterspixels eventually.
To be honest, this is the main reason I'm struggling on certain maps with high combos. But I have a strange habit of "getting things done", which means once I already memorized half-way, I will try to complete it anyway. 
Satonaka wrote:
Because FL does not change into Nightcore.
I'm highly reliant on approach circles and the music itself, not the notes. Hidden is the most I could possibly do. DT if the song is slow enough, rofl. I'm pretty much a pure no-mod player. ;____; I like it though.This.Garven wrote:
I can't see what I'm doing. That's not fun to me. If the game's not fun, why play it?
I don't think you get the point of this thread.jesse1412 wrote:
The issue with flashlight is people who are generally less skilled can steal rank 1's from other players who DT said maps. Flashlight can generally be used with hidden and hardrock whilst doubletime can only be used in conjunction with hidden.
FL and HT are op.
Easy mod is actually such a hard mod that they added the score lowering to make it even more difficult. This mod is for pros only.
/agreeEphemeral wrote:
no real skill involved beyond rote memorisation and not even that on some map
no respectYuu-Chii wrote:
Or SS (FL + DT + HR) on easy/normal songs
I mean 220bpm in standard obviously, and also, the jumps are easy too if you have a good mouse or tablet, which I haven't and that's why I don't play standard :cthelewa wrote:
But 220bpm maps in CTB don't require you to press buttons 14.6 times in a second during streams
Also it's not about streams, it's about the jumps, those are the the ones that actually require skill
people are better at certain things i guessG0r wrote:
I never understood why people made streams out to be such a big deal. I have never once felt like streaming was a hard mechanic in this game. There are so many things that are harder to do than streaming.
No no no, you can't say that the jumps are easy if you haven't actually tried them with a tablet or a mouseeldnl wrote:
I mean 220bpm in standard obviously, and also, the jumps are easy too if you have a good mouse or tablet, which I haven't and that's why I don't play standard :c
What!? NINE THOUSAND!?makkura wrote:
Because it is too boring and difficult to play the same map >9k.
Problem? o3oReVeNg3r wrote:
no respectYuu-Chii wrote:
Or SS (FL + DT + HR) on easy/normal songs
makkura wrote:
Because it is too boring and difficult to play the same map >9k.
28k standard plays, trust me, I did ...thelewa wrote:
No no no, you can't say that the jumps are easy if you haven't actually tried them with a tablet or a mouseeldnl wrote:
I mean 220bpm in standard obviously, and also, the jumps are easy too if you have a good mouse or tablet, which I haven't and that's why I don't play standard :c
good mouse over cheap mouse makes a huge difference when it comes to jumps and precision.winber1 wrote:
Having a good mouse or tablet does not make you better at anything in osu...?
In what way could a better mouse (or a better tablet) help you at all? Perhaps if you play mouse only, then the way your mouse clicks could be important, but other than that, you only need a cheap mouse that fits your hand and that has a working laser... same with tablet, it just needs to work. My tablet for example is pretty low end, one of the most basic ones out there.
Agree.Mesita wrote:
good mouse over cheap mouse makes a huge difference when it comes to jumps and precision.winber1 wrote:
Having a good mouse or tablet does not make you better at anything in osu...?
In what way could a better mouse (or a better tablet) help you at all? Perhaps if you play mouse only, then the way your mouse clicks could be important, but other than that, you only need a cheap mouse that fits your hand and that has a working laser... same with tablet, it just needs to work. My tablet for example is pretty low end, one of the most basic ones out there.
cheap mouse don't read properly at high speed movements, and most of them have jitter. So if you want to use low sensitivity for control, u won't be able to do fast arm movements.winber1 wrote:
I really don't see how. As long as the cheap mouse doesn't have a faulty laser and doesn't have weird lag, it should be fine?
Also, howw "good' would you consider a deathadder? Because I honestly don't see any difference between that and my original broken $10 (or something close to that) mouse
How would a Microsoft Comfort Mouse 3000 rank? It uses BlueTrack technology, but I can't recall how that stands against optical or laser...Wishy22 wrote:
Good mouses do help a lot, every friend I have that used to play with a shit generic mouse switched to Razer/SS mouses and they got better quite fast after getting used to it.
/agreewhoKnow wrote:
It's just not exiting.. why would I play with FL and memorize all these fucking notes -.-.. A better thing would be learn kanjis xD
If that's what you think, you can call me a no-lifer then.whoKnow wrote:
why would I play with FL and memorize all these fucking notes -.-..
Winshley your dedication is something on the level of a top pro, but you're shooting yourself in the foot by spending all of this time on low-diffs. If you spent little time on playing harder diffs without caring about score and then once you got confident with them you started aiming for SS+FL on Insanes instead of Normals you'd be able to get into top pro level much faster.Winshley wrote:
If that's what you think, you can call me a no-lifer then.whoKnow wrote:
why would I play with FL and memorize all these fucking notes -.-..
(Yes, I'm a person who spams on Retry button lol)
I understand that. I do want to play Insane maps, I just need an ample amount of free time (which is holiday) to play such maps... ;<Aqo wrote:
Winshley your dedication is something on the level of a top pro, but you're shooting yourself in the foot by spending all of this time on low-diffs. If you spent little time on playing harder diffs without caring about score and then once you got confident with them you started aiming for SS+FL on Insanes instead of Normals you'd be able to get into top pro level much faster.
You will improve faster if you use mods such as HR or DT.sCam wrote:
I'm not good at this game yet. When I get good, I'll start messing around with mods.
Thanks for the advice, but I'm in no rush to improve. I plan on spending the rest of my life on Osu.nomen wrote:
You will improve faster if you use mods such as HR or DT.sCam wrote:
I'm not good at this game yet. When I get good, I'll start messing around with mods.
I giggled.sCam wrote:
I plan on spending the rest of my life on Osu.
But hidden is actually readable on reaction :d you just need to get used to remember the upcoming relative timings on notes based on the times they appear and to read combo numbers fast for slider starts and for stacks. Hidden is very very fun <3Unkind wrote:
Not too fond of hidden either lol. I dunno how so many people have the patience to deal with that shit.
Yeah, hidden isn't that hard at all, and it's fun. Only thing you have to do is memorize some circles which are under sliders and even tho you can read them in many cases.Aqo wrote:
But hidden is actually readable on reaction :d you just need to get used to remember the upcoming relative timings on notes based on the times they appear and to read combo numbers fast for slider starts and for stacks. Hidden is very very fun <3Unkind wrote:
Not too fond of hidden either lol. I dunno how so many people have the patience to deal with that shit.
You never need to memorize anything just read the combo numbersnomen wrote:
Yeah, hidden isn't that hard at all, and it's fun. Only thing you have to do is memorize some circles which are under sliders and even tho you can read them in many cases.
try playing http://osu.ppy.sh/b/627 with hidden before saying that xDAqo wrote:
You never need to memorize anything just read the combo numbers
True. But it won't work always.Aqo wrote:
You never need to memorize anything just read the combo numbers
Until you come across maps like Netoge Sprechchor.Aqo wrote:
You never need to memorize anything just read the combo numbersnomen wrote:
Yeah, hidden isn't that hard at all, and it's fun. Only thing you have to do is memorize some circles which are under sliders and even tho you can read them in many cases.
The point was that you don't need to memorize anything with hidden, which this map clearly makes you think otherwise.G0r wrote:
I can read Sprechchor on HD up to a certain point, but that's because I played it a lot. I imagine I could HD it if I played it more.
I think I'm just misinterpreting your statement. Most maps are designed so that it is impossible to sightread hidden with default combobursts. Thus most maps you have to memorize certain parts.lolcubes wrote:
The point was that you don't need to memorize anything with hidden, which this map clearly makes you think otherwise.
True, however some maps aren't really sightreadable even with really minimalistic skins without hitbursts and semi transparent circles. Talking about hidden here, which someone already mentioned and is going offtopic a bit.ziin wrote:
I think I'm just misinterpreting your statement. Most maps are designed so that it is impossible to sightread hidden with default combobursts. Thus most maps you have to memorize certain parts.lolcubes wrote:
The point was that you don't need to memorize anything with hidden, which this map clearly makes you think otherwise.
flashlight is different since you have to memorize much more than hidden.
JMC wrote:
only use FL in easy & normal only, bcause my memory size still 512MB.....
and getting nervous after 220 combo
but why certain player can FL+HD this map?? OMGOMGOMG
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/28107
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/28240
You clearly haven't played enough Hidden. Find any reasonably good Hidden player and get him to play a map he hasn't played before and he'll show you what sightreading Hidden is.Unkind wrote:
i dunno how you guys claim to be able to sightread stuff when the maps aren't consistent in their approach (with hidden).
