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osu! Std players: What makes you held back from using FL mod?
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What makes you held back from using Flashlight mod?
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One option only??? FUFUFUFUUUFUFUUUUFUUUFUUUU
FL for hentai people <3
FL for hentai people <3
1st option
and when i remember the map good enough to pass with FL i lose my combo when it's more than 100/130
and when i remember the map good enough to pass with FL i lose my combo when it's more than 100/130
I have good memory but unless the song+map make me orgasm FLing it is a waste of time
no real skill involved beyond rote memorisation and not even that on some map
can't even memorize 25 combos
people generally dislike FL players
bad memorization and irrational hatred
I don't held back from using FL
brain rape is a no-no
i'm using hidden rather than FL :/
i'm using hidden rather than FL :/
I tend to think that Flashlight mod never existed.
memorization
Takes too much time.
Well in all seriousness I actually respect FL players a lot.[CSGA]Ar3sgice wrote:
people generally dislike FL players
They have good memory and attention to detail, being careful not to make careless mistakes, they work hard for their FL FC's.
Especially people like azuraer who manage to stay at the top using this mod even though their play style is greatly disadvantageous. (hint: mouse only big big yeahXD)
It is a waste of time
It is much easier to do DT with anything combined like HR/HD than anything with FL involved.
I actually like using FL on maps i really like.
Most people seem to hate FL, because it is the easiest mod to cheat with in any way.
It is much easier to do DT with anything combined like HR/HD than anything with FL involved.
I actually like using FL on maps i really like.
Most people seem to hate FL, because it is the easiest mod to cheat with in any way.
Pretty everything what -Athena- said.
To memorize hard Parts of a Diff is part of the Gameplay.
Before people comes with the argument "There's also people FCing it at first try":
I don't care.
To memorize hard Parts of a Diff is part of the Gameplay.
Before people comes with the argument "There's also people FCing it at first try":
I don't care.
fcing an insane with FL on first try is amazing
I Play FL mode sometime because I don't memorizing Note
and Hard to see note if it Hight combo
and Hard to see note if it Hight combo
Getting nervous at higher combo (where the visible area gets smaller)
and it's not like it's a waste of time , it's only that most of the players will doubt about you after a 1# with flashlight
(well excpet easy and normal diffs)
and it's not like it's a waste of time , it's only that most of the players will doubt about you after a 1# with flashlight
(well excpet easy and normal diffs)
I'm not.
Topic Starter
Some people (like me) can't actually use DT on harder maps, which is why I used FL mod because I'm pretty good at memorizing anyway.bomber34 wrote:
It is much easier to do DT with anything combined like HR/HD than anything with FL involved.
For this, I can't help but to agree with this though, which is kinda depressing.bomber34 wrote:
Most people seem to hate FL, because it is the easiest mod to cheat with in any way.
I personally find certain maps fun to play with FL, such as this. I can't play that map with DT because of the streams (which I suck at
).This.JappyBabes wrote:
Takes too much time.
I only fc'd one Insane map with FL so far, and that took me thousands of tries. (Yes, thousands.)
This-Athena- wrote:
Well in all seriousness I actually respect FL players a lot.
They have good memory and attention to detail, being careful not to make careless mistakes, they work hard for their FL FC's.
Especially people like azuraer who manage to stay at the top using this mod even though their play style is greatly disadvantageous. (hint: mouse only big big yeahXD)
because FL HD is way too time-consuming compared to DT HD, AND you get similar scores
Ephemeral wrote:
no real skill involved beyond rote memorisation and not even that on some map
I don't play FL for FCs, i just play it for fun 
Because i hate people who cheat on it and it makes me hate the mod for it as well, i do respect people who i think doesn't cheat with it tho, like azuraer, but it makes it really disgusting when you know atleast 4 people in your country that cheats it D:
I used to like it and play it a lot before but that hack thing made me hate it quite a lot.
I used to like it and play it a lot before but that hack thing made me hate it quite a lot.
My biggest issue with FL is that I am one of those weird people who thinks that speed and accuracy amount to skill. Yes, reading a map is important too, but let's face it... the FL mod is a memorization game. You slowly memorize the map beat by beat. Since I personally just don't value that skill, I can't really get any enjoyment out of doing it. It feels like a waste of time to me. I'd rather be trying to play BPMs above my comfort zone than play FL.
From my point of view, FLHD plays generally have more scores than most DTHD plays. I think that's because FL players tend to get higher accuracy compared to DT players.Glass wrote:
because FL HD is way too time-consuming compared to DT HD, AND you get similar scores
He argues that the extra time spent to learn FL over DT isn't worth that small increase in score due to accuracy.Frizz925 wrote:
From my point of view, FLHD plays generally have more scores than most DTHD plays. I think that's because FL players tend to get higher accuracy compared to DT players.Glass wrote:
because FL HD is way too time-consuming compared to DT HD, AND you get similar scores
Aka mainstream osu! player of 2012.G0r wrote:
I am one of those weird people who thinks that speed and accuracy amount to skill
Memorization is the main reason why I don't play FL. There are hackers in every mod, and I wish the admins the best of luck to catch these losers.
Pretty much memorization. I always use FL when I can, however I have a pretty bad memory so I can't FC 200+ combo insanes without needing ridiculous amounts of tries (in my profile there is a map that I have tried 940 times just to FL the 300 first notes).
Oh, and getting nervous at higher combos (which is why I haven't FL FC'd Solar since I always get very nervous after ~750x).
Oh, and getting nervous at higher combos (which is why I haven't FL FC'd Solar since I always get very nervous after ~750x).
I'm above average at memorizing but I get nervous/the reduced sight area makes it harder to snap jumps.
Memorization. And it's not just any memorization, it's memorization on a level I do not comprehend. Basic patterns like symmetrical sliders, diamond jumps, or linear/simply curved notes I can get, but on complex songs with weird jumps and spacing, I don't understand how people do it. For 700+ notes. In <30 tries. I mean, I know there's a lot of potential for cheating, but I know a lot of people do it legit, and it blows my mind. Especially HD+FL, where you're just flying around the screen trusting that there's a note where your cursor lands. When I try FL, I usually remember generally how a pattern will go, but I don't remember exactly where the notes are, so I'm bound to miss one by a few millimeters eventually.
I'll stick to HD and DT. You scary legit FL people can go back to the moon.
I'll stick to HD and DT. You scary legit FL people can go back to the moon.
I can get to 250 on any map easily, after that I shake violently
I believe Flashlight score multiplier should be changed to lower than doubletime. Lots of people use FL to beat Cookiezi's DT scores. And they get more PP with better accuracy.
I disagree really, Flashlight is by far harder than doubletime on most beatmaps.darkmiz wrote:
I believe Flashlight score multiplier should be changed to lower than doubletime. Lots of people use FL to beat Cookiezi's DT scores. And they get more PP with better accuracy.
Plus, not everyone is as good as Cookiezi and could come close to passing any of the maps he does with DT, so changing the system based on skill that of a select person would be utter madness.
Sonez_old
Topic Starter
True, but there are some players who prefers getting high scores on single beatmap rather than chasing for a whole bunch of Ranked scores (and that pretty much explains who I am).those wrote:
He argues that the extra time spent to learn FL over DT isn't worth that small increase in score due to accuracy.
Regarding this, I do notice that cheaters who tampered osu! game internally could get banned pretty soon as it can be detected (as claimed by peppy). I'm more concerned about some cheaters who uses hardware-based cheat method (e.g: input splitters for FL mod. I don't even know how this looked like, but some said so), because it's not detectable. Hence there's no proof that the said player is cheating.kriers wrote:
There are hackers in every mod, and I wish the admins the best of luck to catch these losers.
Some FL cheaters do have made something obvious (e.g: consecutive FL records within short time). However, investigating such cheaters are time-consuming. Which is why I started to live on with this anyway.
Fixed.XGeneral2000 wrote:
When I try FL, I usually remember generally how a pattern will go, but I don't remember exactly where the notes are, so I'm bound to miss one by a fewmillimeterspixels eventually.
To be honest, this is the main reason I'm struggling on certain maps with high combos. But I have a strange habit of "getting things done", which means once I already memorized half-way, I will try to complete it anyway. 
Satonaka wrote:
Because FL does not change into Nightcore.
Waste of time, you won't get better by memorizing maps. Good for players who want some high rank but don't actually have the skill to get it, so you just use FL+HD and magically you can go over White Wolf, on a single map, by playing it like 700 times while the guy played it like... 3.
Worst memory ever = impossible to FL anything
I have trouble doing any mods. I'm highly reliant on approach circles and the music itself, not the notes. Hidden is the most I could possibly do. DT if the song is slow enough, rofl. I'm pretty much a pure no-mod player. ;____; I like it though.
I have trouble doing any mods.
I'm highly reliant on approach circles and the music itself, not the notes. Hidden is the most I could possibly do. DT if the song is slow enough, rofl. I'm pretty much a pure no-mod player. ;____; I like it though.FL is overpowered though, being able to beat a top player while you just suck compared to him is ridiculous.
The issue with flashlight is people who are generally less skilled can steal rank 1's from other players who DT said maps. Flashlight can generally be used with hidden and hardrock whilst doubletime can only be used in conjunction with hidden.
FL and HT are op.
Easy mod is actually such a hard mod that they added the score lowering to make it even more difficult. This mod is for pros only.
FL and HT are op.
Easy mod is actually such a hard mod that they added the score lowering to make it even more difficult. This mod is for pros only.
I can't see what I'm doing. That's not fun to me. If the game's not fun, why play it?
3rd.. Unless I ABSOLUTELY like the song or want to rank #1 on it I won't waste my time.
This.Garven wrote:
I can't see what I'm doing. That's not fun to me. If the game's not fun, why play it?
Cool idea: let's nerf PP gain from FL like with HT /o/ ahaha umad FL players?
Because it no longer has a 1.18x multiplier.
I don't think you get the point of this thread.jesse1412 wrote:
The issue with flashlight is people who are generally less skilled can steal rank 1's from other players who DT said maps. Flashlight can generally be used with hidden and hardrock whilst doubletime can only be used in conjunction with hidden.
FL and HT are op.
Easy mod is actually such a hard mod that they added the score lowering to make it even more difficult. This mod is for pros only.
nothing~ but FL is hard to get good ranked scores with, and shamed by pro players, so I don't use it much except for fun
/agreeEphemeral wrote:
no real skill involved beyond rote memorisation and not even that on some map
Used to dislike the idea of FL, but lately it actually feels like a cool mod; Here is why
Just imagine it, fast forward to the future in your osu playtime, in many many plays from now you're a player like azuraer, who can S (or SS) any map on his first try. Every week there's about 30~ new maps that are worth playing, you S all of them in like 2 hours, now what? What if you played osu a little on thursday and on friday, and then felt like playing a little more on saturday... but you've already S'd every single map worth playing. Now what?
Playing old maps again normally would be boring, and not everybody likes to grind for SS; so at this point, the challenge of trying to memorize a map you like as fast as possible can actually be interesting, because you'll pretty much be stuck playing only maps you already passed anyway, so why not add a new challenge to it.
...but if somebody only uses FL to get a top score in the rankings it's p.lame
Just imagine it, fast forward to the future in your osu playtime, in many many plays from now you're a player like azuraer, who can S (or SS) any map on his first try. Every week there's about 30~ new maps that are worth playing, you S all of them in like 2 hours, now what? What if you played osu a little on thursday and on friday, and then felt like playing a little more on saturday... but you've already S'd every single map worth playing. Now what?
Playing old maps again normally would be boring, and not everybody likes to grind for SS; so at this point, the challenge of trying to memorize a map you like as fast as possible can actually be interesting, because you'll pretty much be stuck playing only maps you already passed anyway, so why not add a new challenge to it.
...but if somebody only uses FL to get a top score in the rankings it's p.lame
FL only on songs which i very like. I dont want use DT and destroy my favourite songs ;<
Well I think FL is a cool mod
FL = great for fun but impossible to FC if >250 combos orz
What i normally do is either FL and play for fun
FL is also a good way to kill everyone in multi except for yourself ^^
Or SS (FL + DT + HR) on easy/normal songs with <200 combos or 250 combos to get to the top 40s which is easy for the fun of it
FL = great for fun but impossible to FC if >250 combos orz
What i normally do is either FL and play for fun
FL is also a good way to kill everyone in multi except for yourself ^^
Or SS (FL + DT + HR) on easy/normal songs with <200 combos or 250 combos to get to the top 40s which is easy for the fun of it
no respectYuu-Chii wrote:
Or SS (FL + DT + HR) on easy/normal songs
who said that moving your fingers faster is skill? because that's easy, I'm a ctb player and I can do 220bpm maps perfectly (obviously not long streams) and I'm sure that practicing it I could get even better ... I hate flashlight haters really, because FL requires skill too, obviously your first map with FL will take a lot of retries, but I'm sure if you play with FL constantly it will be a lot easier compared with your first hard FL map ... what is that? SKILL
But 220bpm maps in CTB don't require you to press buttons 14.6 times in a second during streams
Also it's not about streams, it's about the jumps, those are the the ones that actually require skill
Also it's not about streams, it's about the jumps, those are the the ones that actually require skill
I mean 220bpm in standard obviously, and also, the jumps are easy too if you have a good mouse or tablet, which I haven't and that's why I don't play standard :cthelewa wrote:
But 220bpm maps in CTB don't require you to press buttons 14.6 times in a second during streams
Also it's not about streams, it's about the jumps, those are the the ones that actually require skill
I never understood why people made streams out to be such a big deal. I have never once felt like streaming was a hard mechanic in this game. There are so many things that are harder to do than streaming.
people are better at certain things i guessG0r wrote:
I never understood why people made streams out to be such a big deal. I have never once felt like streaming was a hard mechanic in this game. There are so many things that are harder to do than streaming.
i myself don't mind streams and would take streams over jumps anyday
No no no, you can't say that the jumps are easy if you haven't actually tried them with a tablet or a mouseeldnl wrote:
I mean 220bpm in standard obviously, and also, the jumps are easy too if you have a good mouse or tablet, which I haven't and that's why I don't play standard :c
Because it is too boring and difficult to play the same map >9k.
What!? NINE THOUSAND!?makkura wrote:
Because it is too boring and difficult to play the same map >9k.
Problem? o3oReVeNg3r wrote:
no respectYuu-Chii wrote:
Or SS (FL + DT + HR) on easy/normal songs
But meh i dont do it for pp or what shit
I just do it on my fav songs when im bored~
makkura wrote:
Because it is too boring and difficult to play the same map >9k.
28k standard plays, trust me, I did ...thelewa wrote:
No no no, you can't say that the jumps are easy if you haven't actually tried them with a tablet or a mouseeldnl wrote:
I mean 220bpm in standard obviously, and also, the jumps are easy too if you have a good mouse or tablet, which I haven't and that's why I don't play standard :c
Having a good mouse or tablet does not make you better at anything in osu...?
In what way could a better mouse (or a better tablet) help you at all? Perhaps if you play mouse only, then the way your mouse clicks could be important, but other than that, you only need a cheap mouse that fits your hand and that has a working laser... same with tablet, it just needs to work. My tablet for example is pretty low end, one of the most basic ones out there.
In what way could a better mouse (or a better tablet) help you at all? Perhaps if you play mouse only, then the way your mouse clicks could be important, but other than that, you only need a cheap mouse that fits your hand and that has a working laser... same with tablet, it just needs to work. My tablet for example is pretty low end, one of the most basic ones out there.
Yeah mouse only is basically the only playstyle where a good mouse actually benefits you, kriers' words.
Tablets don't really make a difference as long as the latency is fine, which it is in all of the cheap Bamboo tablets
Tablets don't really make a difference as long as the latency is fine, which it is in all of the cheap Bamboo tablets
good mouse over cheap mouse makes a huge difference when it comes to jumps and precision.winber1 wrote:
Having a good mouse or tablet does not make you better at anything in osu...?
In what way could a better mouse (or a better tablet) help you at all? Perhaps if you play mouse only, then the way your mouse clicks could be important, but other than that, you only need a cheap mouse that fits your hand and that has a working laser... same with tablet, it just needs to work. My tablet for example is pretty low end, one of the most basic ones out there.
Agree.Mesita wrote:
good mouse over cheap mouse makes a huge difference when it comes to jumps and precision.winber1 wrote:
Having a good mouse or tablet does not make you better at anything in osu...?
In what way could a better mouse (or a better tablet) help you at all? Perhaps if you play mouse only, then the way your mouse clicks could be important, but other than that, you only need a cheap mouse that fits your hand and that has a working laser... same with tablet, it just needs to work. My tablet for example is pretty low end, one of the most basic ones out there.
I really don't see how. As long as the cheap mouse doesn't have a faulty laser and doesn't have weird lag, it should be fine?
Also, howw "good' would you consider a deathadder? Because I honestly don't see any difference between that and my original broken $10 (or something close to that) mouse
Also, howw "good' would you consider a deathadder? Because I honestly don't see any difference between that and my original broken $10 (or something close to that) mouse
cheap mouse don't read properly at high speed movements, and most of them have jitter. So if you want to use low sensitivity for control, u won't be able to do fast arm movements.winber1 wrote:
I really don't see how. As long as the cheap mouse doesn't have a faulty laser and doesn't have weird lag, it should be fine?
Also, howw "good' would you consider a deathadder? Because I honestly don't see any difference between that and my original broken $10 (or something close to that) mouse
A deathadder is a good mouse, but i doesn't last much if u are a hardcore gamer that uses it everyday (mouseclicks are very low end).
Good mouses do help a lot, every friend I have that used to play with a shit generic mouse switched to Razer/SS mouses and they got better quite fast after getting used to it.
I have a question: What's the real difference between a generic mouse and a gaming mouse?
I'm using the mouse I got with my PC (it's worth like 7€) and overpolling it to 1000hz did a HUGE difference. It is worth buying a gaming mouse when my generic one is already overpolled to 1000hz (1ms lag) ?
I'm using the mouse I got with my PC (it's worth like 7€) and overpolling it to 1000hz did a HUGE difference. It is worth buying a gaming mouse when my generic one is already overpolled to 1000hz (1ms lag) ?
Polling adjustment is great, but the real thing that matters is DPI. You can't adjust DPI on a standard consumer mouse. You can, however, adjust DPI on a gaming mouse. Without DPI adjustment, you have no control over how your tool functions, and thus you are adjusting to the tool, rather than adjusting the tool to you. It's also worth noting that the tracking on gaming mice is generally light years better.
I tend to get nervous after getting around 100-200 combos and i can only memorize a beatmap that last for 1-2 minutes, but that's where the fun part begin.
Flashlight sometimes make me remember those horror games ._.
Flashlight sometimes make me remember those horror games ._.
How would a Microsoft Comfort Mouse 3000 rank? It uses BlueTrack technology, but I can't recall how that stands against optical or laser...Wishy22 wrote:
Good mouses do help a lot, every friend I have that used to play with a shit generic mouse switched to Razer/SS mouses and they got better quite fast after getting used to it.
Takes too long to memorize a map, not as fun as other mods.
Sarthorious
/agreewhoKnow wrote:
It's just not exiting.. why would I play with FL and memorize all these fucking notes -.-.. A better thing would be learn kanjis xD
Topic Starter
If that's what you think, you can call me a no-lifer then.whoKnow wrote:
why would I play with FL and memorize all these fucking notes -.-..
(Yes, I'm a person who spams on Retry button lol)
Winshley your dedication is something on the level of a top pro, but you're shooting yourself in the foot by spending all of this time on low-diffs. If you spent little time on playing harder diffs without caring about score and then once you got confident with them you started aiming for SS+FL on Insanes instead of Normals you'd be able to get into top pro level much faster.Winshley wrote:
If that's what you think, you can call me a no-lifer then.whoKnow wrote:
why would I play with FL and memorize all these fucking notes -.-..
(Yes, I'm a person who spams on Retry button lol)
Topic Starter
I understand that. I do want to play Insane maps, I just need an ample amount of free time (which is holiday) to play such maps... ;<Aqo wrote:
Winshley your dedication is something on the level of a top pro, but you're shooting yourself in the foot by spending all of this time on low-diffs. If you spent little time on playing harder diffs without caring about score and then once you got confident with them you started aiming for SS+FL on Insanes instead of Normals you'd be able to get into top pro level much faster.
I'm not good at this game yet. When I get good, I'll start messing around with mods.
You will improve faster if you use mods such as HR or DT.sCam wrote:
I'm not good at this game yet. When I get good, I'll start messing around with mods.
Everyone has their own fun aspect of the game that makes it appealing. I am not a memorization player. I like playing high AR maps and fast maps. Pushing visual and physical speed boundaries is just funner to me than pushing memory boundaries. I don't care if that makes me a good or bad player, that's just what I enjoy doing. There is nothing wrong at all with flashlight mod, and there are plenty of players who's main enjoyment comes from memorizing maps. FL mod seems way more common in the easy/normal/hard difficulty range, but I do not prefer those maps, personally. There are only a handful of true flashlight players, meaning ones that will do the highest difficulty maps (Mesita and BenJip come to mind, but I know there are others!). Nothing against people who like doing the easy/normal maps, but flashlight mod is much simpler on those maps. The patterns are very similar in most every song, with notes falling only on up and down beats. There are also only a couple hundred notes per map to learn. Doing flashlight mod on insane difficulty maps takes a LOT of work, and most players only want to put a handful of tries into a lot of maps. Watching Mesita put in hundreds of plays into just one map to get a hidden/FL results in an epic end product. Flashlight on maps like Gold Dust and Masterpiece is impressive as hell. But the majority of people don't have the patience to sit down and pick one or two really hard maps per week to sit down and try and get a full clear with hd/FL. Again, I am speaking on behalf of insane difficulties and not normal/easy/hard maps.
Thanks for the advice, but I'm in no rush to improve. I plan on spending the rest of my life on Osu.nomen wrote:
You will improve faster if you use mods such as HR or DT.sCam wrote:
I'm not good at this game yet. When I get good, I'll start messing around with mods.
I also agree with thatgooey. I love Mesita replays, specially on Rapid Ensemble. Also loved how he still remembered the map after months to take back his #1 from Micia.
I giggled.sCam wrote:
I plan on spending the rest of my life on Osu.
Anyway ontopic: I have no fun playing map over and over to memorize it.
Because by the time i finish a map on flashlight i feel like throwing myself off a fucking building. I got a top rank with flashlight, guy stole it and id rather drag my nuts across a cactus than take it back. Not too fond of hidden either lol. I dunno how so many people have the patience to deal with that shit.
But hidden is actually readable on reaction :d you just need to get used to remember the upcoming relative timings on notes based on the times they appear and to read combo numbers fast for slider starts and for stacks. Hidden is very very fun <3Unkind wrote:
Not too fond of hidden either lol. I dunno how so many people have the patience to deal with that shit.
Yeah, hidden isn't that hard at all, and it's fun. Only thing you have to do is memorize some circles which are under sliders and even tho you can read them in many cases.Aqo wrote:
But hidden is actually readable on reaction :d you just need to get used to remember the upcoming relative timings on notes based on the times they appear and to read combo numbers fast for slider starts and for stacks. Hidden is very very fun <3Unkind wrote:
Not too fond of hidden either lol. I dunno how so many people have the patience to deal with that shit.
You never need to memorize anything just read the combo numbersnomen wrote:
Yeah, hidden isn't that hard at all, and it's fun. Only thing you have to do is memorize some circles which are under sliders and even tho you can read them in many cases.
try playing http://osu.ppy.sh/b/627 with hidden before saying that xDAqo wrote:
You never need to memorize anything just read the combo numbers
Memorizing is a bitch and I don't like bitches.
True. But it won't work always.Aqo wrote:
You never need to memorize anything just read the combo numbers