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osu! Std players: What makes you held back from using FL mod?

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What makes you held back from using Flashlight mod?

Not good at memorizing
91
35.00%
Getting nervous at higher combo (where the visible area gets smaller)
83
31.92%
Waste of time
70
26.92%
Others... (please post)
16
6.15%
Total votes: 260
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Winshley
osu! Alumni
2,384 posts
Joined May 2011
Topic Starter
Winshley

bomber34 wrote:

It is much easier to do DT with anything combined like HR/HD than anything with FL involved.
Some people (like me) can't actually use DT on harder maps, which is why I used FL mod because I'm pretty good at memorizing anyway.

bomber34 wrote:

Most people seem to hate FL, because it is the easiest mod to cheat with in any way.
For this, I can't help but to agree with this though, which is kinda depressing.

I personally find certain maps fun to play with FL, such as this. I can't play that map with DT because of the streams (which I suck at :().
Michi
134 posts
Joined June 2011
Michi

JappyBabes wrote:

Takes too much time.
This.

I only fc'd one Insane map with FL so far, and that took me thousands of tries. (Yes, thousands.)
Naikaze
2,401 posts
Joined July 2011
Naikaze

-Athena- wrote:

Well in all seriousness I actually respect FL players a lot.
They have good memory and attention to detail, being careful not to make careless mistakes, they work hard for their FL FC's.
Especially people like azuraer who manage to stay at the top using this mod even though their play style is greatly disadvantageous. (hint: mouse only big big yeahXD)
This
Glass
Glass
because FL HD is way too time-consuming compared to DT HD, AND you get similar scores
M i l o t i c
257 posts
Joined March 2010
M i l o t i c

Ephemeral wrote:

no real skill involved beyond rote memorisation and not even that on some map
ouranhshc
2,338 posts
Joined July 2009
ouranhshc
I don't play FL for FCs, i just play it for fun :D
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
Because i hate people who cheat on it and it makes me hate the mod for it as well, i do respect people who i think doesn't cheat with it tho, like azuraer, but it makes it really disgusting when you know atleast 4 people in your country that cheats it D:


I used to like it and play it a lot before but that hack thing made me hate it quite a lot.
G0r
389 posts
Joined September 2011
G0r
My biggest issue with FL is that I am one of those weird people who thinks that speed and accuracy amount to skill. Yes, reading a map is important too, but let's face it... the FL mod is a memorization game. You slowly memorize the map beat by beat. Since I personally just don't value that skill, I can't really get any enjoyment out of doing it. It feels like a waste of time to me. I'd rather be trying to play BPMs above my comfort zone than play FL.
Frizz
4,131 posts
Joined April 2011
Frizz

Glass wrote:

because FL HD is way too time-consuming compared to DT HD, AND you get similar scores
From my point of view, FLHD plays generally have more scores than most DTHD plays. I think that's because FL players tend to get higher accuracy compared to DT players.
those
3,136 posts
Joined November 2010
those

Frizz925 wrote:

Glass wrote:

because FL HD is way too time-consuming compared to DT HD, AND you get similar scores
From my point of view, FLHD plays generally have more scores than most DTHD plays. I think that's because FL players tend to get higher accuracy compared to DT players.
He argues that the extra time spent to learn FL over DT isn't worth that small increase in score due to accuracy.
kriers
1,963 posts
Joined April 2010
kriers

G0r wrote:

I am one of those weird people who thinks that speed and accuracy amount to skill
Aka mainstream osu! player of 2012.

Memorization is the main reason why I don't play FL. There are hackers in every mod, and I wish the admins the best of luck to catch these losers.
Mismagius
9,235 posts
Joined July 2008
Mismagius
Pretty much memorization. I always use FL when I can, however I have a pretty bad memory so I can't FC 200+ combo insanes without needing ridiculous amounts of tries (in my profile there is a map that I have tried 940 times just to FL the 300 first notes).

Oh, and getting nervous at higher combos (which is why I haven't FL FC'd Solar since I always get very nervous after ~750x).
Kanye West
2,222 posts
Joined July 2011
Kanye West
I'm above average at memorizing but I get nervous/the reduced sight area makes it harder to snap jumps.
XGeneral2000
86 posts
Joined April 2011
XGeneral2000
Memorization. And it's not just any memorization, it's memorization on a level I do not comprehend. Basic patterns like symmetrical sliders, diamond jumps, or linear/simply curved notes I can get, but on complex songs with weird jumps and spacing, I don't understand how people do it. For 700+ notes. In <30 tries. I mean, I know there's a lot of potential for cheating, but I know a lot of people do it legit, and it blows my mind. Especially HD+FL, where you're just flying around the screen trusting that there's a note where your cursor lands. When I try FL, I usually remember generally how a pattern will go, but I don't remember exactly where the notes are, so I'm bound to miss one by a few millimeters eventually.

I'll stick to HD and DT. You scary legit FL people can go back to the moon.
Nessuka
259 posts
Joined June 2012
Nessuka
I can get to 250 on any map easily, after that I shake violently :(
darkmiz
407 posts
Joined August 2011
darkmiz
I believe Flashlight score multiplier should be changed to lower than doubletime. Lots of people use FL to beat Cookiezi's DT scores. And they get more PP with better accuracy.
Nessuka
259 posts
Joined June 2012
Nessuka

darkmiz wrote:

I believe Flashlight score multiplier should be changed to lower than doubletime. Lots of people use FL to beat Cookiezi's DT scores. And they get more PP with better accuracy.
I disagree really, Flashlight is by far harder than doubletime on most beatmaps.
Plus, not everyone is as good as Cookiezi and could come close to passing any of the maps he does with DT, so changing the system based on skill that of a select person would be utter madness.
Sonez_old
Sonez_old
Waste of time

Though if its a song I really really like, then I don't mind replaying it 100 times.
Da7shadow
57 posts
Joined July 2011
Da7shadow
:x
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Winshley
osu! Alumni
2,384 posts
Joined May 2011
Topic Starter
Winshley

those wrote:

He argues that the extra time spent to learn FL over DT isn't worth that small increase in score due to accuracy.
True, but there are some players who prefers getting high scores on single beatmap rather than chasing for a whole bunch of Ranked scores (and that pretty much explains who I am). :P


kriers wrote:

There are hackers in every mod, and I wish the admins the best of luck to catch these losers.
Regarding this, I do notice that cheaters who tampered osu! game internally could get banned pretty soon as it can be detected (as claimed by peppy). I'm more concerned about some cheaters who uses hardware-based cheat method (e.g: input splitters for FL mod. I don't even know how this looked like, but some said so), because it's not detectable. Hence there's no proof that the said player is cheating.

Some FL cheaters do have made something obvious (e.g: consecutive FL records within short time). However, investigating such cheaters are time-consuming. Which is why I started to live on with this anyway. :|


XGeneral2000 wrote:

When I try FL, I usually remember generally how a pattern will go, but I don't remember exactly where the notes are, so I'm bound to miss one by a few millimeters pixels eventually.
Fixed. :P To be honest, this is the main reason I'm struggling on certain maps with high combos. But I have a strange habit of "getting things done", which means once I already memorized half-way, I will try to complete it anyway. :lol:
Satonaka
102 posts
Joined March 2011
Satonaka
Because FL does not change into Nightcore.
YodaSnipe
1,378 posts
Joined February 2011
YodaSnipe

Satonaka wrote:

Because FL does not change into Nightcore.
Wishy
2,974 posts
Joined September 2010
Wishy
Waste of time, you won't get better by memorizing maps. Good for players who want some high rank but don't actually have the skill to get it, so you just use FL+HD and magically you can go over White Wolf, on a single map, by playing it like 700 times while the guy played it like... 3.
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Nekoroll
513 posts
Joined May 2010
Nekoroll
Worst memory ever = impossible to FL anything

I have trouble doing any mods. :( I'm highly reliant on approach circles and the music itself, not the notes. Hidden is the most I could possibly do. DT if the song is slow enough, rofl. I'm pretty much a pure no-mod player. ;____; I like it though.
Wishy
2,974 posts
Joined September 2010
Wishy
FL is overpowered though, being able to beat a top player while you just suck compared to him is ridiculous.
jesse1412
1,457 posts
Joined January 2010
jesse1412
The issue with flashlight is people who are generally less skilled can steal rank 1's from other players who DT said maps. Flashlight can generally be used with hidden and hardrock whilst doubletime can only be used in conjunction with hidden.

FL and HT are op.
Easy mod is actually such a hard mod that they added the score lowering to make it even more difficult. This mod is for pros only.
Garven
osu! Alumni
5,857 posts
Joined January 2010
Garven
I can't see what I'm doing. That's not fun to me. If the game's not fun, why play it?
JAKACHAN
684 posts
Joined March 2011
JAKACHAN
3rd.. Unless I ABSOLUTELY like the song or want to rank #1 on it I won't waste my time.
Laharl
1,391 posts
Joined January 2011
Laharl

Garven wrote:

I can't see what I'm doing. That's not fun to me. If the game's not fun, why play it?
This.
kriers
1,963 posts
Joined April 2010
kriers
Cool idea: let's nerf PP gain from FL like with HT /o/ ahaha umad FL players?
Ekaru
3,617 posts
Joined July 2008
Ekaru
Because it no longer has a 1.18x multiplier. :(
Glass
Glass

jesse1412 wrote:

The issue with flashlight is people who are generally less skilled can steal rank 1's from other players who DT said maps. Flashlight can generally be used with hidden and hardrock whilst doubletime can only be used in conjunction with hidden.

FL and HT are op.
Easy mod is actually such a hard mod that they added the score lowering to make it even more difficult. This mod is for pros only.
I don't think you get the point of this thread.
MillhioreF
Pro Tester
5,004 posts
Joined July 2011
MillhioreF
nothing~ but FL is hard to get good ranked scores with, and shamed by pro players, so I don't use it much except for fun

SPOILER
Espionage724
876 posts
Joined August 2011
Espionage724

Ephemeral wrote:

no real skill involved beyond rote memorisation and not even that on some map
/agree
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo
Used to dislike the idea of FL, but lately it actually feels like a cool mod; Here is why

Just imagine it, fast forward to the future in your osu playtime, in many many plays from now you're a player like azuraer, who can S (or SS) any map on his first try. Every week there's about 30~ new maps that are worth playing, you S all of them in like 2 hours, now what? What if you played osu a little on thursday and on friday, and then felt like playing a little more on saturday... but you've already S'd every single map worth playing. Now what?

Playing old maps again normally would be boring, and not everybody likes to grind for SS; so at this point, the challenge of trying to memorize a map you like as fast as possible can actually be interesting, because you'll pretty much be stuck playing only maps you already passed anyway, so why not add a new challenge to it.

...but if somebody only uses FL to get a top score in the rankings it's p.lame
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Tidek
1,571 posts
Joined March 2011
Tidek
FL only on songs which i very like. I dont want use DT and destroy my favourite songs ;<
Tsukimi Luna
726 posts
Joined July 2010
Tsukimi Luna
Well I think FL is a cool mod

FL = great for fun but impossible to FC if >250 combos orz

What i normally do is either FL and play for fun
FL is also a good way to kill everyone in multi except for yourself ^^

Or SS (FL + DT + HR) on easy/normal songs with <200 combos or 250 combos to get to the top 40s which is easy for the fun of it
ReVeNg3r
660 posts
Joined August 2010
ReVeNg3r

Yuu-Chii wrote:

Or SS (FL + DT + HR) on easy/normal songs
no respect
eldnl
Former osu!catch Champion: 2013
2,930 posts
Joined March 2010
eldnl
who said that moving your fingers faster is skill? because that's easy, I'm a ctb player and I can do 220bpm maps perfectly (obviously not long streams) and I'm sure that practicing it I could get even better ... I hate flashlight haters really, because FL requires skill too, obviously your first map with FL will take a lot of retries, but I'm sure if you play with FL constantly it will be a lot easier compared with your first hard FL map ... what is that? SKILL :D
thelewa
3,537 posts
Joined August 2010
thelewa
But 220bpm maps in CTB don't require you to press buttons 14.6 times in a second during streams

Also it's not about streams, it's about the jumps, those are the the ones that actually require skill
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