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Derekku

Quiz-chan wrote:

one more bubbleeee, come ooon.
It's not going for Approval, so it only needs one bubble and then a heart. :p
jossieP
^
Yuukari-Banteki
IRC mod

Edit: tentatively rebubbled
Topic Starter
Cygnus
fixed. fixed. fixed. fixed.
BeatofIke
So many disagreements ~_~ Map is good already!
Topic Starter
Cygnus
Life is full of disagreements. It's your choice, do or don't. -___________________________-
Makar
With choices and decisions come consequences~
Just continue focusing on making the map more fun instead of making the map more challenging and it will lead to a rank.
The whole point of modding is to improve a map; even if a map follows the rules that doesn't mean the quality is good enough for ranking (not necessarily the case here, but I'm just saying this because it was your main excuse for why it shouldn't have been unranked).

I was never here *runs*
quiz-chan_DELETED

Derekku wrote:

Quiz-chan wrote:

one more bubbleeee, come ooon.
It's not going for Approval, so it only needs one bubble and then a heart. :p
Two bubbles equal one heart.
Ephemeral
nothing could possibly justify how one is to fill an entire difficulty with a majority of pointless 1/4 streams and unfounded jumps. this is not difficulty - this is pure, unabated laziness. to rank this map in this state would be an affront to all the other hardworking mappers which place obvious effort into making their maps both fun and suitably difficult without resorting to such ridiculous methods.

you would be better off completely removing Platinum difficulty, to be perfectly honest. a two-page modpost would be barely scratching the sheer quantity of problems with this map. you have effectively made a TAG difficulty, and they are not allowed anymore.

until platinum is appropriately addressed (ergo, is either deleted or significantly changed to actually reflect the music it is mapped to), this map is not suitable for ranking. all the other difficulties are well-measured and beautifully mapped, why sully the set with one ridiculous difficulty?
Topic Starter
Cygnus
Let this map die then.

  1. To all BATs/MATs: Thank you for modding [Platinum], and after all your opinions and suggestions, the map has been unbubbled/unranked/nuked/unnuked. You we're all a big help, thanks to Ephemeral.

  2. To the rest modders: Thank you too, you hardwork paid off.

  3. To all people waiting for a rank: I'm very sorry but this is the end.

To the whole of osu!: Farewell and Have a nice day.
yeahyeahyeahhh
Damn, that's a lot of stars wasted rofl.
[CSGA]Ar3sgice
farewell then

well I wasted more stars on my map I don't care ?_?
Topic Starter
Cygnus
for the sake of all the people waiting for the map to be ranked, You've convinced me enough to remove Platinum Diff. :( But this is just disappointing.
JappyBabes
That moment when people complain about Platinum being too hard yet people FCd the harder version within the first day of initial ranking.
dkun

JappyBabes wrote:

That moment when people complain about Platinum being too hard yet people FCd the harder version within the first day of initial ranking.
That moment when someone walks in a thread and starts pointing fingers, yet said person has no idea with the background story, or for that fact; can't even read the thread properly and starts assuming things.

On a side note, great set now.
Ephemeral

JappyBabes wrote:

That moment when people complain about Platinum being too hard yet people FCd the harder version within the first day of initial ranking.
it's not even difficult?

literally anyone with any proper streaming practice could ss that map in a few goes
JappyBabes

dkun wrote:

JappyBabes wrote:

That moment when people complain about Platinum being too hard yet people FCd the harder version within the first day of initial ranking.
That moment when someone walks in a thread and starts pointing fingers, yet said person has no idea with the background story, or for that fact; can't even read the thread properly and starts assuming things.

On a side note, great set now.
Oh because you know whether I've been looking at this thread from the start.

Ephemeral wrote:

it's not even difficult?

literally anyone with any proper streaming practice could ss that map in a few goes
Forgive me for possibly misinterpreting what you said, that this map is essentially a TAG difficulty which would be difficult for a single person to FC which in this case is not.
Ephemeral
it is a very poorly made TAG difficulty, or at least that is the only justification i could see for making it.

regardless, the difficulty was removed from the set by the mapper, so i am restoring the bubble.
dkun

JappyBabes wrote:

dkun wrote:

That moment when someone walks in a thread and starts pointing fingers, yet said person has no idea with the background story, or for that fact; can't even read the thread properly and starts assuming things.

On a side note, great set now.
Oh because you know whether I've been looking at this thread from the start.
"can't even read the thread properly and starts assuming things"

Also... If you put it like that, then you have no idea what a proper map is.

~just saying~
Topic Starter
Cygnus
Please stop saying Platinum is a TAG Diff. That is just pretty insulting.
JappyBabes

dkun wrote:

you have no idea what a proper map is
http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Ranking_Criteria#General What.
Topic Starter
Cygnus

JappyBabes wrote:

dkun wrote:

you have no idea what a proper map is
http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Ranking_Criteria#General What.
i'm pretty sure Platinum passed all the criteria.
dkun

Ephemeral wrote:

nothing could possibly justify how one is to fill an entire difficulty with a majority of pointless 1/4 streams and unfounded jumps. this is not difficulty - this is pure, unabated laziness. to rank this map in this state would be an affront to all the other hardworking mappers which place obvious effort into making their maps both fun and suitably difficult without resorting to such ridiculous methods.

you would be better off completely removing Platinum difficulty, to be perfectly honest. a two-page modpost would be barely scratching the sheer quantity of problems with this map. you have effectively made a TAG difficulty, and they are not allowed anymore.

until platinum is appropriately addressed (ergo, is either deleted or significantly changed to actually reflect the music it is mapped to), this map is not suitable for ranking. all the other difficulties are well-measured and beautifully mapped, why sully the set with one ridiculous difficulty?
did I miss something or did this post never exist?
JappyBabes
Pointless and unjustified 1/4 streams? The whole song is just a piano with fast notes. Not much you can do there. Also, I find the map both enjoyable and difficult. Also, nice job on just completing deflecting my point that the difficulty is rankable.
xsrsbsns
As someone who hates Platinum with all his heart

I don't know exactly why are you guys preventing him from ranking it, sure it might not be that creative but it technically 'follows' the music (accurate down to the 1/4s, LOL) AND is a rankable difficulty (lmao about this being TAG4)

Heck I didn't even agree with the unrank. The map isn't even yours, that's how he mapped it

There are people enjoy boring streams all over the map (not me and many others, obviously)

tl;dr: Platinum is rankable, just rank it and let ratings do the talking
rickyboi
>Platinum diff removed

Welp. That's only diff I'm going to play....

Ephemeral
standards have fallen to absolutely abysmal levels in recent months, or so it seems, if such things are even considered close to acceptable

you can fill an entire beatmap with 1/4s and claim it fits with the music as and as long as it does not violate the ranking criteria, you could effectively claim it is rankable. does that mean it is a good idea to rank the map? hardly. in platinum's case, more than half of the jumps that i saw had only loose correlation with the song (there were some very well placed ones though) and practically everything decent in the map was completely overwhelmed by the unrelenting 1/4 streams.

and then outside of platinum, you have this well-adjusted and finely constructed mapset. 15.6mil score in 87s speaks volumes.
JappyBabes

Ephemeral wrote:

you can fill an entire beatmap with 1/4s and claim it fits with the music as and as long as it does not violate the ranking criteria, you could effectively claim it is rankable. does that mean it is a good idea to rank the map? hardly
So it comes down to whether a BAT/Admin likes it or not even though they probably won't play it. I love this ranking system.
ExPluto
dkun

JappyBabes wrote:

Ephemeral wrote:

you can fill an entire beatmap with 1/4s and claim it fits with the music as and as long as it does not violate the ranking criteria, you could effectively claim it is rankable. does that mean it is a good idea to rank the map? hardly
So it comes down to whether a BAT/Admin likes it or not even though they probably won't play it. I love this ranking system.
The BAT/Admin is there for a reason. It's called moderation for a reason. It's why the system is in place for a reason.

If you don't like it, then simply leave. Is it that hard to comprehend?
JappyBabes

dkun wrote:

If you don't like it, then simply leave. Is it that hard to comprehend?
It's completely rankable and some people like it. It follows the music. There is no moderation here, just "I don't like this map". The mapper also has a right to deny mods if they don't assist in what he wanted the map to be. A BAT shouldn't have full say over a map.

dkun wrote:

If you don't like it, then simply leave. Is it that hard to comprehend?
Also, I didn't know ppy had an alternate account.
[CSGA]Ar3sgice

dkun wrote:

If you don't like it, then simply leave. Is it that hard to comprehend?
GJ!

霸气外露
those

JappyBabes wrote:

rankable
We don't mod to rank "rankable" maps. We mod to rank maps that can hardly get better.
dkun

JappyBabes wrote:

dkun wrote:

If you don't like it, then simply leave. Is it that hard to comprehend?
It's completely rankable and some people like it. It follows the music. There is no moderation here, just "I don't like this map". The mapper also has a right to deny mods if they don't assist in what he wanted the map to be. A BAT shouldn't have full say over a map.
In a mapper's perspective, and this is soley mine, please don't get me wrong on this; Platinum was mapped very lazily, and could have been an amazing diff, if the mapper just didn't have his pride in the wrong places.

In terms of the ranking process; the BAT always has the final say, as it's their job to uphold the mapping "norm", per-say. There's a set quality on maps, rather than if it's just "rankable" or not, and I guess it's my fault for expecting someone who hasn't modded to know this from the start. My apologies.

If the map tickles your pickle, fine. I can't change that fact from you. But the only difference is that said difficulty isn't on BSS. Which is what modders/mappers/moderators uphold the quality of, side by side, as you can see here. As a modder/mapper in this community, there's an obligation that we can take to withstand the ranking standard, and to gradually increase it, not decrease it. I hope you understand this.
yeahyeahyeahhh

JappyBabes wrote:

Pointless and unjustified 1/4 streams? The whole song is just a piano with fast notes. Not much you can do there. Also, I find the map both enjoyable and difficult. Also, nice job on just completing deflecting my point that the difficulty is rankable.
You're obviously not a mapper and if you are you must be a terrible one if you think all there is in this song is 1/4 streams and there is not much you can do.
Topic Starter
Cygnus
Why would I map make a 7 diff map if you think I'm lazy? I think you're the one who's lazy for having 2 diff mapsets ~
dkun

Philippines wrote:

Why would I map make a 7 diff map if you think I'm lazy? I think you're the one who's lazy for having 2 diff mapsets ~
I'm sorry? At least I don't put notes randomly all over the screen and call it a map.

quality > quantity
Topic Starter
Cygnus

dkun wrote:

Philippines wrote:

Why would I map make a 7 diff map if you think I'm lazy? I think you're the one who's lazy for having 2 diff mapsets ~
I'm sorry? At least I don't put notes randomly all over the screen and call it a map.

quality > quantity
Enough dkun, enough. You already won, Platinum is gone. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?
JappyBabes

dkun wrote:

Philippines wrote:

Why would I map make a 7 diff map if you think I'm lazy? I think you're the one who's lazy for having 2 diff mapsets ~
I'm sorry? At least I don't put notes randomly all over the screen and call it a map.

quality > quantity
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/7671 http://osu.ppy.sh/s/23058 You were saying?
Pizzicato
Happy birthday ulet pare
wmfchris
Guys please stop flaming.

It has been a hard time for both mappers and modders, and we should pay our effort to make this ranked, not blaming each other.
dkun

Philippines wrote:

Enough dkun, enough. You already won, Platinum is gone. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?
Enough? I wasn't even talking to you and you put this on yourself.

JappyBabes wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/7671 http://osu.ppy.sh/s/23058 You were saying?
I feel like you didn't read a word of what I said.
JappyBabes

dkun wrote:

JappyBabes wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/7671 http://osu.ppy.sh/s/23058 You were saying?
I feel like you didn't read a word of what I said.
I feel like you haven't looked at either of those maps. More specifically the first one.

Now that's just plain rude and I don't think it was needed.
dkun

ok.jpg
IceBeam
okay,so

thumbnails don't work in the beatmap listing for me,could anyone else confirm?


you're missing the last kiai in Gold diff,which is 01:05:473 - 01:10:990

could you use soft sampleset (as in Silver) or at least lower the volume to 40% from beginning up to the 00:11:680 in all your diffs? hitsounds are really rough there

and the last thing - as Gold is now the hardest diff - use AR9? it plays more comfortable with it imo.
Topic Starter
Cygnus
fixed all except the volume thing since i believe it's fine

about the thumbnail, i already talked about ephe, it will be fixed asap if it doesn't update
Colin Hou
neither for me
wonders
Please stop!don't hurt the maps just for rank them.
Cyclohexane
okay few things to point out here

platinum diff wasn't either fun or original, it was just streams. There's many ways to make a very challenging difficulty with this song without filling it with streams. It's rankable; but is it worth the rank? If I map something where I just repeat one pattern over and over just copypasting, flipping horizontally, vertically, rotating and whatnot, technically, it's rankable. Is it fun? Hell no. To the map's benefit, I thought the sped-up sliders, as much controversy as they caused, were, in essence, a nice idea. They just needed to be used better.

More about the Platinum difficulty; it's simply unreasonable. 85% of the map was streams, hands down. When I play a map, I don't expect it to just hand the SS to me, but I don't expect to get stuck on it for hours on end because there are too many streams - yes there is such a thing - and my arm simply starts to get tired. When I play a map, I expect it to go like this: "Okay, you're going to have to master a number of various techniques to beat me or FC me." Now, I might not get it on my first try, I might not get it on my tenth try, but at no point will I judge that I've been asked to do something that is unreasonable. This difficulty was unreasonable.

Just don't rank maps because they're rankable. Rank them because they're fun. maps that are original, readable, that flow well, that follow the music, and overall provide a great rhythm experience. You don't need over-the-top difficulty to have fun and enjoy the game.


Good luck to Philippines for this map, is it is now a reasonable mapset. Let us forget about that Platinum difficulty, it's not there anymore.
Topic Starter
Cygnus
Platinum is a Legend. No one will ever forget this diff.
IceBeam
well,if Eph said so
I see no more problem then,ranked

also please don't spam shit anymore,it's already 20 pages
Topic Starter
Cygnus
YEY! Thanks IceBeam! <3
Curry
gratz once again :o
Stefan
Congrats

Edit: Can't update Chrome.. :/ Already tried with Re-DL.
http://puu.sh/IJ6O
quiz-chan_DELETED
Congratz! :D
Gaba
I just love this forum.
Ulysses
rank來的不是自己喜歡的
rank來幹什麼?




這不是一個rank 是一個 indignity
[CSGA]Ar3sgice

nold_1702 wrote:

rank來的不是自己喜歡的
rank來幹什麼?
^
Lunah
I find the Platinum difficulty original and funny to play, I really enjoyed it \:3/


                                                                                                                                                                                                         derp.
Topic Starter
Cygnus
Let's rank it while it's early!
winber1
the platinum diff is still not he original original diff :(

what was the original reason to unrank it anyway...? everything is extremely clear in the one i just downloaded too. /too lazy to look in thread
kurohana
finally rerank :3 congratz ^^
thelewa

Philippines wrote:

Platinum is a Legend. No one will ever forget this diff.
what diff?
LKs

thelewa wrote:

Philippines wrote:

Platinum is a Legend. No one will ever forget this diff.
what diff?
.you deleted that diff

I still have it in my pc :p
Bass
You tell to delete that diff, while Fear's maps gets ranked with her diffs where notes are almost randomly placed. Where is justice? Congratulations,
Makar
Can you please remove the image in the first post? It hurts my eyes to try to read.

Secondly, I think people should stop complaining about the platinum diff being deleted, and please read what Mr Color said = = it's very true.

those wrote:

JappyBabes wrote:

rankable
We don't mod to rank "rankable" maps. We mod to rank maps that can hardly get better.
JappyBabes
His post is an opinion of the map as are mine I guess.
val0108
why nothing most diff
Topic Starter
Cygnus
Can soneone please unrank my map? I wanna bring. Back and FIX Platinum.
Tanzureir
I'm sorry, but it seems that Chrome difficulty is glitched.
Osu keeps telling me to update to latest version even if I have already downloaded the latest .osu file.
Has someone else also experienced this problem?
dkun

tony8128 wrote:

I'm sorry, but it seems that Chrome difficulty is glitched.
Osu keeps telling me to update to latest version even if I have already downloaded the latest .osu file.
Has someone else also experienced this problem?
Will confirm.
Ephemeral

tony8128 wrote:

I'm sorry, but it seems that Chrome difficulty is glitched.
Osu keeps telling me to update to latest version even if I have already downloaded the latest .osu file.
Has someone else also experienced this problem?
a few others - try redownloading the map from scratch and if that fails, open a thread in help and support regarding the issue.
winber1

Makar wrote:

Secondly, I think people should stop complaining about the platinum diff being deleted, and please read what Mr Color said = = it's very true.

Mr Color wrote:

okay few things to point out here

platinum diff wasn't either fun or original, it was just streams. There's many ways to make a very challenging difficulty with this song without filling it with streams. It's rankable; but is it worth the rank? If I map something where I just repeat one pattern over and over just copypasting, flipping horizontally, vertically, rotating and whatnot, technically, it's rankable. Is it fun? Hell no. To the map's benefit, I thought the sped-up sliders, as much controversy as they caused, were, in essence, a nice idea. They just needed to be used better.

More about the Platinum difficulty; it's simply unreasonable. 85% of the map was streams, hands down. When I play a map, I don't expect it to just hand the SS to me, but I don't expect to get stuck on it for hours on end because there are too many streams - yes there is such a thing - and my arm simply starts to get tired. When I play a map, I expect it to go like this: "Okay, you're going to have to master a number of various techniques to beat me or FC me." Now, I might not get it on my first try, I might not get it on my tenth try, but at no point will I judge that I've been asked to do something that is unreasonable. This difficulty was unreasonable.

Just don't rank maps because they're rankable. Rank them because they're fun. maps that are original, readable, that flow well, that follow the music, and overall provide a great rhythm experience. You don't need over-the-top difficulty to have fun and enjoy the game.


Good luck to Philippines for this map, is it is now a reasonable mapset. Let us forget about that Platinum difficulty, it's not there anymore.
meh. all this reasoning still fails to convince me in anyway to believe platinum sucks.

i still get that vibe of those who can't stream/beat it rage and call it bad, and those who can say it's good. for the most part.
but actually.... meh

i also fail to understand how it's unoriginal. There is quite some interesting and fun patterns to play. every map always has some degree of copy paste anyways. also mafiamaster maps...? i like his maps, and they are fine but they usually show quite the copy paste if you ask me and people still like his maps

Philippines wrote:

Can soneone please unrank my map? I wanna bring. Back and FIX Platinum.
yes it needs moar recognition :<

i will now stop being an idiot and stop saying stuff.

However , i will actually agree with Makar with the fact that the damn gif is annoying as hell. i can barely read it >_>
Ephemeral
i offered philippines the chance to fix the rest of platinum by making the bulk of the map more than just 1/4 streams, but he refused at the time. what can you do when a mapper refuses to change something? not a whole lot, sadly.

it's a bit late now that the map is ranked. you may be able to resubmit platinum as a supplementary difficulty at some point provided it is fixed extensively, but it isn't going to be included again in its current state.
Metro
dunno about that diff you're talking about but gold was very good :)
JappyBabes

Ephemeral wrote:

i offered philippines the chance to fix the rest of platinum by making the bulk of the map more than just 1/4 streams, but he refused at the time.

osu!wiki wrote:

Even if you don't follow the modder's advice, did you not follow it because of your personal choice only, and not because the modding seemed pointless to you?
It should be fine or am I missing something here?
Hernan
Great map, keep making diffs like platinum, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who likes them.
those

JappyBabes wrote:

Ephemeral wrote:

i offered philippines the chance to fix the rest of platinum by making the bulk of the map more than just 1/4 streams, but he refused at the time.

osu!wiki wrote:

Even if you don't follow the modder's advice, did you not follow it because of your personal choice only, and not because the modding seemed pointless to you?
It should be fine or am I missing something here?
Personal choice is what you're looking for, here.
Tanzureir

Ephemeral wrote:

tony8128 wrote:

I'm sorry, but it seems that Chrome difficulty is glitched.
Osu keeps telling me to update to latest version even if I have already downloaded the latest .osu file.
Has someone else also experienced this problem?
a few others - try redownloading the map from scratch and if that fails, open a thread in help and support regarding the issue.
Thank you. After re-downloading the whole map, the problem is fixed.
Cristian
I want platinum.
winber1
The thing is that modding pretty much are just suggestions. In this case, many people think the map is retarded because long streams for some reason and suggest to change those streams, while many other people disagree and like the long streams. The mapper just decided himself to stay on one of those sides, pleasing the part of the osu! community that has relatively a little more experience. I don't see why they don't fit either because there is constantly sixteenth notes being played by some instrument...? It was the mappers decision to map pretty much most of them anyways.

Whatever. already ranked.
Cyclohexane

winber1 wrote:

i still get that vibe of those who can't stream/beat it rage and call it bad, and those who can say it's good. for the most part.
but actually.... meh
Ask thelewa.


And for people who keep saying that Platinum should be back because people liked it: The map had a user rating of 6.3 back when it was first rank. This is REALLY LOW for a map with a IIDX/pop'n music song. You might say some people like it, but clearly the majority of the users don't. If we check its ratings now, it is at 8.8 and I wouldn't be surprised if it went up to >9.0 in the next few days.
xsrsbsns

Mr Color wrote:

The map had a user rating of 6.3 back when it was first rank. This is REALLY LOW for a map with a IIDX/pop'n music song. You might say some people like it, but clearly the majority of the users don't. If we check its ratings now, it is at 8.8 and I wouldn't be surprised if it went up to >9.0 in the next few days.
Sorry but that's an invalid comparison.

1st rank: Monday morning 2am to 8am (GMT+8): that's SIX hours of rank time right there. You do know that early ratings tend to be fake?

Plus look at the time (midnight in Asia), the majority of players are around this time zone and probably hadn't even played it yet.
Topic Starter
Cygnus
I will submit the new Platinum, this time, it's for approval.
JappyBabes
I want the old Platinum :c
Cyclohexane

xsrsbsns wrote:

1st rank: Monday morning 2am to 8am (GMT+8): that's SIX hours of rank time right there. You do know that early ratings tend to be fake?
Not by this much. Usually one's map would drop to 8.0 at worst. Hell, let's say 7.5. This got down to 6.3. Even in just a couple hours, it still speaks for itself.

You could also take a look at the comments on the beatmap. As irrelevant as one might judge them, it's still the players who speak.
Topic Starter
Cygnus

JappyBabes wrote:

I want the old Platinum :c
I have uploaded the map. Check it ^^ But it will be changed one day ~
JappyBabes

Mr Color wrote:

Not by this much. Usually one's map would drop to 8.0 at worst. Hell, let's say 7.5.
http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist?l=1&r=0 ... o=0&r=0&q=
Cyclohexane
Your point?

Also, should be noted that the map now has just about the same amount of votes it had when it was first ranked. However, it went from 6.3 to 8.8. Quite the difference, even for a number of votes this small.
Topic Starter
Cygnus
Aha? who has the lowest rating actually was considered one of the Best Maps ~
Cyclohexane
Aha? is not a good example at all. In fact, if you use it to fuel your argument, I'm pretty sure you're doing it wrong.
Topic Starter
Cygnus
whatever. I'm on my new journey to approve Platinum ~ You won't be disappointed
JappyBabes

Mr Color wrote:

Aha? is not a good example at all. In fact, if you use it to fuel your argument, I'm pretty sure you're doing it wrong.
If you use the "I don't like the map even though it doesn't break any rules" reasoning to fuel your argument, I'm pretty sure you're doing it wrong.
Cyclohexane
What.

So, I'm not allowed to dislike ranked maps, because they don't break the rules. That's a new one.
Stefan

Philippines wrote:

Aha? who has the lowest rating actually was considered one of the Best Maps ~
Because people rated Aha? as "annoying" and "nonsense". The rating does not go for the Diffs itself.
Topic Starter
Cygnus

TheNutritiousGuy wrote:

Philippines wrote:

Aha? who has the lowest rating actually was considered one of the Best Maps ~
Because people rated Aha? as "annoying" and "nonsense". The rating does not go for the Diffs itself.
I guess that's what I think of my map now. ~
Kurai
Arguing about the quality of this map leads nowhere. If you don't like the map, just don't play it, there are thousands of other ranked maps that you can also play... Let's calm down now. Locked.
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