here you go

so cute!!

Argh she's too kawaii

<3

look at dem hips!

look

That is awesome

Ouendan Model Detail
This will change as more details are discovered

[attachment=1:52330]CheerboyT.png[/attachment:52330]
---- OBJECT BEGIN ----
No of Object = 17
Object 00 Name = world_root (?) - Unknown/Nothing
Object 01 Name = Bone_Koshi (Red)
Object 02 Name = Bone_L_Momo (Orange) - The left leg is divided into three bones
Object 03 Name = Bone_L_Sune (Orange) - This bone is lower than the previous
Object 04 Name = Bone_L_Kou (Orange) - This bone is lower than the previous
Object 05 Name = Bone_R_Momo (Yellow) - The right leg is divided into three bones
Object 06 Name = Bone_R_Sune (Yellow) - This bone is lower than the previous
Object 07 Name = Bone_R_Kou (Yellow) - This bone is lower than the previous
Object 08 Name = Bone_Sebone (Green) - Center, used for bending down
Object 09 Name = Bone_Atama (Light Green) - Head, can turn
Object 0a Name = Bone_L_Sakotsu (Blue) - The left arm is divided into four bones
Object 0b Name = Bone_L_Ude_a (Blue) - This bone is more left than the previous
Object 0c Name = Bone_L_Ude_b (Blue) - This bone is more left than the previous
Object 0d Name = Bone_L_Te (Blue) - This bone is more left than the previous
Object 0e Name = Bone_L_Yubi (Light Blue) - Fingers, can roll up to form a fist
Object 0f Name = Bone_R_Sakotsu (Purple) - The right arm is divided into four bones
Object 10 Name = Bone_R_Ude_a (Purple) - This bone is more right than the previous
Object 11 Name = Bone_R_Ude_b (Purple) - This bone is more right than the previous
Object 12 Name = Bone_R_Te (Purple) - This bone is more right than the previous
Object 13 Name = Bone_R_Yubi (Light Purple) - Fingers, can roll up to form a fist
Object 14 Name = IR_MODEL (?) - Unknown/Nothing
Object 15 Name = IK_Chain01 (?) - Unknown/Nothing
Object 16 Name = IK_Chain02 (?) - Unknown/Nothing

[attachment=0:52330]CheergirlT.png[/attachment:52330]
---- OBJECT BEGIN ----
No of Object = 19
Object 00 Name = world_root (?) - Unknown/Nothing
Object 01 Name = AS_MODEL0 (?) - Unknown/Nothing
Object 02 Name = Bone_Koshi (Red)
Object 03 Name = Bone_L_Momo (Orange) - The left leg is divided into three bones
Object 04 Name = Bone_L_Sune (Orange) - This bone is lower than the previous
Object 05 Name = Bone_L_Kou (Orange) - This bone is lower than the previous
Object 06 Name = Bone_R_Momo (Yellow) - The right leg is divided into three bones
Object 07 Name = Bone_R_Sune (Yellow) - This bone is lower than the previous
Object 08 Name = Bone_R_Kou (Yellow) - This bone is lower than the previous
Object 09 Name = Bone_Sebone (Green) - Center, used for bending down
Object 0a Name = Bone_Atama (Light Green) - Head, can turn
Object 0b Name = Bone01 (Not Shown) - Hair
Object 0c Name = Bone02 (Not Shown) - Hair, this bone is lower than the previous
Object 0d Name = Bone_L_Sakotsu (Blue) - The left arm is divided into four bones
Object 0e Name = Bone_L_Ude_a (Blue) - This bone is more left than the previous
Object 0f Name = Bone_L_Ude_b (Blue) - This bone is more left than the previous
Object 10 Name = Bone_L_Te (Blue) - This bone is more left than the previous
Object 11 Name = AS_MODEL1 (Light Blue) - Left pom-pon, she does have hands but they're blocks
Object 12 Name = Bone_R_Sakotsu (Purple) - The right arm is divided into four bones
Object 13 Name = Bone_R_Ude_a (Purple) - This bone is more right than the previous
Object 14 Name = Bone_R_Ude_b (Purple) - This bone is more right than the previous
Object 15 Name = Bone_R_Te (Purple) - This bone is more right than the previous
Object 16 Name = AS_MODEL2 (Light Purple) - Right pom-pon, she does have hands but they're blocks
Object 17 Name = IK_Chain_L (?) - Unknown/Nothing
Object 18 Name = IK_Chain_R (?) - Unknown/Nothing

It would be nice to have those in osu too.

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I'm pretty much finished with the skinning now. All I have to do is tweak the joint deformer on her elbow Skin Morph modifier a bit, and I'm ready to start animating. However, I'll be going on vacation tomorrow, and I won't be back until next week. I have Photoshop on my laptop, though, so expect a wallpaper or two in a few days.

soradg123 wrote:

EBA Model Detail
This will change as more details are discovered

*wall*

This has nothing to do with the mascot project, as far as I can see. Unless you were planning on getting these dancers in-game, please start a new thread in Other Games instead of posting your discoveries here. If you're trying to rip them for use in osu!, start a new thread in General Development, although I'm pretty sure they'll look like shit on anything more high-res than a DS screen.

Edit: Done. I still need to tweak a few joints, and there's something awful going on with her shoes, but other than that, Pippi's ready for action. Here, have a stupid pose.

that renderer is pretty sexy but the shape of the head still bothers me and at the moment I can't pinpoint what it is

also fingers too small/short?

awp wrote:

also fingers too small/short?

I modeled them after my own hand. If the fingers are too small, blame me.

Wait, never mind. Either way, they're definitely not too small. They might be too short, though.

awp's right, the fingers are too short. But the head actually looks pretty good to me. The arms might be a bit off too; I'd need more poses of the current model to say for sure.

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Every time I look at this thread I am more impressed, Loginer.

yeah, the fingers do line up rather well. Try pressing her thumb against her index finger though - it should reach the first joint, but it looks a tad short.

We'll get to the bottom of this, damn it all.

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This is looking really good , Loginer. Youre doing a great job and if you ask me, the head looks fine but the actual torso should be somewhat smaller so that the arms and legs can be longer without making her look like the result of a "Bendaroo" project.

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I think the problem is that it's hard to see where the wrist joint is because she's wearing gloves so please don't nag about every tiny little imperfection. D:

I suppose you cant expect PS3 graphics. I think she's ready to go, anyway. She's perfect in my book(except for the humungous platformer shoes).

kideddie1501 wrote:

I suppose you cant expect PS3 graphics.

Yeah, that. We wouldn't want the game to lag because of the unnecessarily long thumbs. :(

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the more we nag, the better it gets

but it's not like it can't be improved after it's implemented, either.

Yeah, I guess. But it's just a prototype as far as we're concerned. For all we know, some poeple's computers won'tbe able to even handle an extremely low quality Pippi, especailly if they cant even play most videos without PC lag.

Even a DS can handle the number of polygons Loginer's using. If your computer can't handle that, then you ought to buy a new one.

Since the proportions have already been nitpicked enough, I'm gonna complain about your pose!



Look at her wrist! While the human wrist can bend back that far, it'd be pretty uncomfortable. I can only really get it that way by pushing my hand back with my other hand. That's like, a right angle, almost an acute angle.

To do a forward-facing peace sign, you'd want to have her elbow bend (elbow pointed down, rather than out), so that her wrist can be bent at a much wider obtuse angle relative to her forearm.

^That's probably also why her fingers look short in the first place XP

awp wrote:

the more we nag, the better it gets

but it's not like it can't be improved after it's implemented, either.

Yeah, but it's hard to do any changes after skinning the model (if I add or remove any vertices, I'll have to start all over again). Besides, no one said I won't be improving Pippi after the first version has been implemented. It's just that this project has been going on for about a year and a half, and I'd like to see something in-game before I stop making progress again.

kideddie1501 wrote:

Yeah, I guess. But it's just a prototype as far as we're concerned. For all we know, some poeple's computers won'tbe able to even handle an extremely low quality Pippi, especailly if they cant even play most videos without PC lag.

Even though Echo's exaggerating a bit, you don't have to worry. Pretty much any computer from this decade will be able to render Pippi without any slowdown.

LuigiHann wrote:

To do a forward-facing peace sign, you'd want to have her elbow bend (elbow pointed down, rather than out), so that her wrist can be bent at a much wider obtuse angle relative to her forearm.

I was going to do that, but there are still some slight problems with the shoulder, and I didn't want to edit the image in Photoshop.

That's pretty good.


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LOOK AT THIS
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU NAG ABOUT DETAILS



THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT ;_;

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xerxes_oli wrote:

anywho you did save a copy of the original before this happened right?

Yeah, I pretty much knew that was going to happen.

Anyway, the arms have proper length now (upper arm and forearm length almost equal, hand-to-hand distance equal to head-to-toe distance). I'll post a new render as soon as I've fixed the joints.

That should be the new image on the screen you get when osu crashes

Replicated the pose in Sarumaru's concept drawing. Please ignore the screwy shoulder/elbow and strange smile.

Looking better and better~ Great job :3

Derekku Chan wrote:

Looking better and better~ Great job :3

This
I really love the coloring now

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CheeseWarlock wrote:

The smile makes her look somehow fat

Ignoring that, it's looking great.

All the osu! cookies? X3

CheeseWarlock wrote:

The smile makes her look somehow fat

Ignoring that, it's looking great.

It's not the smile that makes her look fat, it's the fat that makes her look fat.

Face 1 is the same face I've been using for ages now. Face 2 is Face 1 with some of the vertices moved back to give the face a more "round" look. Choose one.

nagnagnag:

Is it just one or the other? The nose is still too sharp and pointy imo and the face isn't rounded enough in the mouth region (that or the shading and angle are misleading, in which case there's nothing to worry about yay)

At the moment I prefer face 2 though - what little difference I can see is seen in the cheekbones; they look smoother and closer to the eyes which I think is more correct?

Yeah, are we really this restricted to only these two faces?

Face 2 is nice though. I kind of feel it has a bit of skinniness, but overall, it looks nice. Can we get a zoom out of it, or is that too...inconvenient/troublesome? 0.0

Face 2 ;p

Just don't show us big face close-ups and nobody would even know

She might need lips, though. Just drawn on

awp wrote:

Is it just one or the other? The nose is still too sharp and pointy imo

The only way to fix that would be to add a few extra lines, and it's a bit too late to add any geometry at this point, I'm afraid. Besides, the way it was modeled makes it hard to add any more details without adding several extra loops to the entire body, or seriously messing up the shading.
But I will replace the head and clothes in the near future, rest assured. I just happen to be at a stage where I really can't do all that much tweaking, so please save your various complaints for the next "version".

awp wrote:

and the face isn't rounded enough in the mouth region

I can guarantee you the face is rounded enough. It just looks kind of flat because of the shading/lighting, which doesn't really matter since it's all going to be cel-shaded in the end (I hope).

LuigiHann wrote:

She might need lips, though. Just drawn on

I'm not quite sure what you're mean. Think you could use one of my previous two renders to create some sort of mock-up?

i pick the one that looks less like Lord Voldemort.

How about this one?

<3

I think that should be the new mascot.

thread is tldr since the face pics, but I'm just curious.. that dark part under the nose that everybody is complaining about. That's not just a shadow, is it? If so then its probably not as big of a deal as everybody is making it (as long as you can like.. tone down the shadow?)

Requesting a pic looking up at the face from a lower angle.

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I am lol'ing so hard right now.

Might as well post this here, too.



Vocaloid Pippi.
or alt. costume pippi. Whichever you prefer.

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Daru, that's epic. if/when they get 3d dancers implemented I'm making one with that costume.



Roughly 3D'd out of boredom for shits and giggles.
needs lots of work though lol

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NCDyson wrote:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9884/pippivoco.png

Roughly 3D'd out of boredom for shits and giggles.
needs lots of work though lol

Omg, nice!

I think loginer may have gotten served just now

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY. How long did it take to make? 2, 3 days?

Is there any chance you could make one of her in the default outfit?

actually, that model started out with the default outfit. there were images of it way back like 20 or so pages ago. lol

Found it:

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I do like the way you've done the hair on that one, but the face as it is looks spooky/unnatural

God, can we just change the boots entirely? I don't think they'll look good in any way.

kideddie1501 wrote:

God, can we just change the boots entirely? I don't think they'll look good in any way.

Smaller or less noticeable souls, maybe.
I like the boots as part of the costume in general, though they look a bit like high-tops in the render.

Right, or maybe they just shouldn't part, one solid slab of rubber.

I think the place I got the design for the soles of the boots was from Moom's drawing, though in that drawing it looked a lot more appealing than it turned out on my model. Also, that image is actually pretty old still as I think quite a bit of things were changed since then lol.



That's the most recent render of the work that was done on the default outfit, though it really doesn't show off much, just the pose from Saru's concept. One of these years she's going in for major facial surgery. lol

Meh, I haven't done any work in weeks, and I've been pretty busy with something else lately. Feel free to take over the project if you want to.

NCDyson's first render (using vocapippi?) is awesome. Loginers model still feels a lot better than the more recent one, though.

Maybe, which one gets implemented faster?

NCDyson wrote:

One of these years she's going in for major facial surgery. lol

She might wanna stop at the local fast food restaurant on the way, that waist is dangerously small. (btw: eyes are green lol)

yeah, the colored image I was using for reference had red eyes, and I feel they seem to work a little better with the outfit. My model was really just for something to practice on, I've actually found myself with little free time as of late.

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Both these models have their advantages, but neither one really gets the face right yet.

Though maybe if you're both up for it, Loginer and Dyson could work together on perfecting Pippi? Nothing against either of you if you're against it, but I think a 3D design team could be pretty awesome.

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GO LOGINER!

Here's my progress so far. The face currently feels like a strange mix between anime and realism, but I'm working on that. The important bit is that the face is no longer flat.

Could make a nice alien, that's for sure.

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Also, check this out: http://www.posemaniacs.com/tools/handviewer/

The third model (020 CT SCAN HEAD(beta)), is a 3D model of an adult male head.

Obviously, Pippi is neither male nor an adult, though, you may be able to find something of use from the model.

Just tell me what I need to fix/improve, aside from the mouth and chin. The face was modeled using anatomically correct references, so telling me to look at realistic heads and stuff isn't helping.

Here's the same mesh with hair and stuff.



Edit: Wait, I just noticed something big. Fixing... Fixed the depth.

2nd picture looks more male then the first IMO

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It's looking great though, man. Keep up the good work!

Yeah, though it does look a little on the male side, it's definitely looking more human.

I agree, maybe chubbier cheeks or wider smile?

I'm not very fond of the eyes. The big white parts just look out of place to me :/

Also the lips :X

The first one is looking great. But the second rendering makes me think that not all angles would turn out so well. The nose bridge seems too prominent or too thin or something.

Though if it renders well in cel-shading at all angles the way it is now, I'd like to see more angles.

Felt like posting a screenshot this time. I've moved and scaled the eyes, shortened the chin and made the lips look more female-ish. I also made some changes to the bridge after taking the screenshot.

distance from nose to lips to chin seems short to me, idk if the chin is too short or if everything is just half an inch too low, or what (on second thought, I'm probably wrong, here)

lips do look good though

nose is sharp enough to cut cheese on, I'm presuming that's still a WIP

Much better

Right, I should probably do some work on this today. Here's what the new head looks like with the old hair:

Looks pretty weird, but I can't point out why. Any suggestions on things to fix (don't worry about the nose, it's already on the top of my list)?

The hair seems a little too pointed at the end.

She kinda looks older than she should be maybe?
I'm not sure I just get that feeling.

Loginer wrote:

Looks pretty weird, but I can't point out why.

Only thing I can think of is that it's not really one "head of hair", it's several little pieces. The hair is all bumpy and divided into sections/individual bangs, all of which stem from the top of the head. I'd like to see a closer render of this model's hair to see how it's divided up. Maybe NCDyson could offer some help or helpful tips on how to do hair.

How's this?

The black pieces look excellent, but the pink ones still look really thick and clay-like :<