0_o wrote:

I also want to point something out about strager though..

strager wrote:

So what's everyone's guess on the roles?

I'm thinking like M2: Two Mafia, one Cop, 6 Vanilla Townies.

strager wrote:

Mod: Can a Cop investigate a dead person?

Why is strager bringing up the cop so much? Is he trying to make us believe he is the cop? This is confusing me because he knows how well bringing up the doctor went in M2... so FOS strager

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

mod: will LyLo be announced considering that we aren't allowed to know the ID's of the people who died, and telling us will show us how many mafia are dead?

strager wrote:

First post has some whimsical reasoning behind it. I think Echo would at least leave us with a Cop. It would probably even things out for the Town and Mafias, I think.

The Game Setup wrote:

This game will be using a randomly selected setup based on the C9 setup.

strager wrote:

Second post was to figure out if investigations could performed on a dead person. Simple as that. I know only a Cop would really want to know, but it could help us later because only a Cop would know the alignment of anyone, but cannot if they were lynched D1. So you can check a Cop's claims against what is possible.

Could you explain a situation where LyLo is possible?

0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

First post has some whimsical reasoning behind it. I think Echo would at least leave us with a Cop. It would probably even things out for the Town and Mafias, I think.

Actually:

The Game Setup wrote:

This game will be using a randomly selected setup based on the C9 setup.

So Echo had no say in what setup was used.

0_o wrote:

So I think the only possible LyLo situation is 1 mafia, 2 (or 3) humans.

LadySuburu wrote:

Questions:

Did anyone but strager himself actually read my strager case? I'm just curious, as nobody commented on it, and there's little discussion going on now.

If we had to lynch someone due to deadline, who should it be, assuming no additional meaningful discussion happens between now and then?

strager wrote:

Oh, I see. What about two Mafias and one Townie? Lynch goes to one of the Mafias and the kill goes for the Townie. Or, the Lynch goes to the Townie and it's a draw between the two Mafia, and the Town loses.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

welp, i guess im getting lynched for scumhunting. w/e just make sure you find the scum, okay? ill see you guys again at endgame, hopefully with a town win rather than a mafia win.

pleasepleasepleasepleasePLEASE be smarter in this game than you were in M1, M2, and M3

• rust +1.5

Wojjan wrote:

Wow, where did those posts come from?
Putting someone on L-1 is silly and dumb, especially in a somewhat RVS

• rust +1.5

• - LS: -1
  -SFG: -0.5

LadySuburu wrote:

If we're still in the RVS stage, we're doing something wrong.

Wojjan wrote:

Putting someone on L-1 is silly and dumb, especially in a somewhat RVS

LadySuburu wrote:

Also: There's no need to wait until deadline every single day in mafia games. If five people suspect that someone is mafia, we lynch them. Of course, you want to give them a chance to post and or claim before you do.

• rust45: +1

Wojjan wrote:

Subi, and actually all of stragers bandwagon, I'd like you to think twice if your vote isn't really based on anything. We're on 5 to lynch today, so if we kill a townie today, and the mafia does so too, we only need three votes for a mafia to hop in and get a kill tomorrow. If they've coordiated at night, and decided to both get a vote on one, two votes can bring us in danger.
Also, my suspicion of rust went up by a notch for never saying why he voted strager before, and even now not clearly stating what of stragers behavior could be scummy

• rust45: +1

rust45 is now on 2.5 suspicion rate in my eyes, and the highest on my list. He hence gets my vote.

vote: rust45

strager wrote:

Q's:

What's RVS?

What's Hammering?

strager wrote:

SFG, What are your opinions on 0_o?

strager wrote:

LadySuburu, your main reasons for voting for me are outlined in the following posts:

viewtopic.php?p=152992#p152992
viewtopic.php?p=153782#p153782

Of me acting like kuu, I would appreciate specific examples. Even with supporting posts I doubt that's reason enough to vote for someone.

In the second post above, you show that rust45, SFG, and I (and to a lesser extend 0_o) are all pretty suspicious by our jumping on bandwagons. With the recent L-1 vote against me by rust45 (which you say looks pretty random) has your level of suspicion not changed? rust45 now has made two L-1 votes, whereas I have not made any. You explicitly mention that putting L-1 without reason is scummy: viewtopic.php?p=153787#p153787

LadySuburu wrote:

Main reasons for voting: If you trace through some of our conversations, you'll find there are other posts that have my reasons included as well. Example: My post on Page 10, and the resulting conversation from that.

LadySuburu wrote:

Acting like kuu: You weren't acting as I know you to act, which is apperently less than I thought. You were acting much different than how you are now acting in defense.

strager wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

Main reasons for voting: If you trace through some of our conversations, you'll find there are other posts that have my reasons included as well. Example: My post on Page 10, and the resulting conversation from that.

The exact same reasoning could be applied to rust45 and SFG for tie-ing votes as well. I think rust45 even started the tie-ing thing (unsure).

"setting a trend to get many people near lynch" -- I didn't really set the trend I think. I did start the "vote for yourself as a joke" thing which SFG followed.

LadySuburu wrote:

Acting like kuu: You weren't acting as I know you to act, which is apperently less than I thought. You were acting much different than how you are now acting in defense.

If you're referring to my acting in M2, of course I'm acting differently. I'm in a different situation. I don't have a false role claim on my head, I'm not being heavily attacked by one or more highly skilled players very well, and I'm not a newbie. Again, I would like specific examples else your claim is worthless in my eyes.

strager wrote:

That vote on me was pretty wild. Can you explain your exact reasoning?

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

rust is obviously a noob, he may be mafia or may not be mafia, but he's acting a bit like strager did in M2, minus the roleclaim

adam2046 wrote:

I have nothing I feel like commenting on at this point in time.
Just posting so people know I'm actually reading.

Oh and instead of killing off people who don't talk straight away (which I think is a tactic that the mafia would consider using) you should encourage them to speak first, give them a day and if they still refuse to speak actively, kill them off. Lynching people who act like this first day might be a mistake because they could just be gathering information to use the next day (or they could be an aux role trying to hide.)

0_o wrote:

Also I don't really see why mafia would want to get rid of quiet people, I would think they would want to have people no one knows anything about in the final days to cause confusion. (it worked the last 3 games...)

strager wrote:

I'll have to go with adam on this issue. It seems 0_o is trying to kill anyone here on purpose, as if he's not really part of the Town. At least that's what I see of him.

adam2046 wrote:

0_o wrote:

Also I don't really see why mafia would want to get rid of quiet people, I would think they would want to have people no one knows anything about in the final days to cause confusion. (it worked the last 3 games...)

Because it's easy to do, just like you're doing.

0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

I'll have to go with adam on this issue. It seems 0_o is trying to kill anyone here on purpose, as if he's not really part of the Town. At least that's what I see of him.

"kill anyone here on purpose"? What? Firstly if I was really desperate to get rid of anyone I probably wouldn't have switched off of you after I got you on L-1 (inadvertently mind you, I didn't think rust would swoop in right after me).

LadySuburu wrote:

There are rare cases that a townie hammers without waiting for some discussion, but those are rare.

BagelBob wrote:

I've read through the game once and to be Frank, you all look guilty.

deadline wrote:

vote: strager

LS wrote:

SFG: 4, 4, 3
rust45: 4, 3, 3, 3
strager: 3, 3, 3
0_o: 3, 3
LS: 3
Wojjan: 3
adam: -
Pasonia: -

BagelBob wrote:

This post bothers me. 0_o is speculating on the game set-up instead of scum-hunting, a supposed scum-tell, but it's really too early for that to mean much. However, he's making a case that Mafia are going to look like Townies. This is scummy because it gets people thinking that townies are really scum.

Self-preservation is Scummy. Also, here 0_o says that putting someone at L-2 is "kinda fishy"
Which he himself did twice.

Pictures serve to distract people and generally hurt scum-hunting.

more stuff about self-preservation

BagelBob wrote:

Adam in this post is asking other people to point fingers at each other. This isn't laziness, this is scummy.

BagelBob wrote:

[quote="Pasonia":c0cb3]EDIT @ adam: I'm sorry I haven't voted in weeks. >.>

rust seems to have no problems putting someone at L-1.

[quote="Wojjan":c0cb3]I lost count, am I on L-1 yet?
I take it this game won't last long for me this way

Adam in this post is asking other people to point fingers at each other. This isn't laziness, this is scummy.

This post is very interesting. At the time, stragers vote was the one he received when he switched with SFG. I.E. he was NOT voting who he thought was scum. I think this gives credit to the "strager was a goon" theory.

adam has not done ANY scum-hunting and none of his posts has any quality.

• BagelBob: +0.5

• Bagelbob: +1

• BagelBob: +0.5

SFG: 4, 4, 3
rust45: 4, 3, 3, 3
strager: 3, 3, 3
0_o: 3, 3
LS: 3
Wojjan: 3
adam: -
Pasonia: -

• Pasonia: +0.5

0_o wrote:

OK I'll start with the response to the attacks on me, then look at everyone else in the next post (because I don't like giant posts )

BagelBob wrote:

This post bothers me. 0_o is speculating on the game set-up instead of scum-hunting, a supposed scum-tell, but it's really too early for that to mean much. However, he's making a case that Mafia are going to look like Townies. This is scummy because it gets people thinking that townies are really scum.

I don't see what's wrong with that post really. Truth is, we are going to have to dig deeper to find mafia this game, so we are gonna have to look a little harder than previous games if we want to win.

0.o wrote:

Self-preservation is Scummy. Also, here 0_o says that putting someone at L-2 is "kinda fishy"
Which he himself did twice.

I didn't say putting someone on L-2 is scummy, I said putting someone on L-2 by a supposed "random vote" is a little suspicious.

O.o wrote:

Pictures serve to distract people and generally hurt scum-hunting.

Oh come on I doubt posting a picture is going to hinder anyone's scum-finding process.

O.o wrote:

more stuff about self-preservation

Of course I was gonna try to keep myself from getting lynched, I am the only one who I am sure isn't mafia, and personally I think I can be useful for the town. I don't really see how not wanting to get lynched at RVS is scum tell

adam2046 wrote:

BagelBob wrote:

Adam in this post is asking other people to point fingers at each other. This isn't laziness, this is scummy.

You misinterpret what I mean, what I was saying was that we should stop the silly votes and start getting serious about the game.
You seem to misinterpret on purpose too.

Wojjan wrote:

As predicted, I was away for a while, due to massive amounts of visiting town halls.

BageBob claimed doctor. Yay, now we know. Thanks for making this harder for all of us, we're bound to lose you on N2. Unless of course you're a scum. I do think your theory is credible, but if I were scum, I would have seen this happen too, and theree's no solid proof yet you're the doctor, since you can freely say who you protected as long as that person is still alive.

• BagelBob: +0.5

at least you explained...

Wojjan wrote:

't seems I missed that post on adam, and I checked it again. There's no possible way you can see this how Bagel did without looking for reasons to suspect him.

• Bagelbob: +1

Wojjan wrote:

Bagel, there is nothing wrong with self-preservation, especially in the RVS. Or what for most seemed as the RVS. You're, again, looking for ways to get suspicion on others. Scummy in my yes

• BagelBob: +0.5

Wojjan wrote:

SFG: 4, 4, 3
rust45: 4, 3, 3, 3
strager: 3, 3, 3
0_o: 3, 3
LS: 3
Wojjan: 3
adam: -
Pasonia: -

Could this list be updated anytime soon, maybe at the end of D2? I would like to deduct some more theories from bandwagoning and votes, but I'm not really in place to make a list, since I tend to disappear some times in this period. Sorry for that too.

Pasonia, why are you even in? You're rarely here at all, and vote without reason. Maybe he sees no interesting things in the day phase since his time to shine is at night? Or is he just trying to lay low? I wou:ldn't have any clue.

• Pasonia: +0.5

BagelBob wrote:

And when I said re-read 3, I meant examine SFG's posts. Since she was the NK, it's important to figure out WHY she was NKed. Thus, her posts from the previous day need to be examined.

While reading, keep in mind 2 things
1. SFG was not voting to lynch strager
2. SFG was probably the 2nd most suspicious person after strager

I can come up with 3 reasons that SFG would be NKed.
1. SFG was right on the money. Pasonia or rust (her two main suspicions) are scum. Also including the possibility of adam, but early game and not so much later
2. The Scum wanted to find out who each other are. One posted to Kill: SFG to test if the other was SFG or Suburu (WIFOM argument as pointed out by adam prior)
3. Strager was a scum. Echo didn't tell the other that he was alone and he posted Kill: SFG expecting his "buddy" to either disagree or agree, but being surprised by the day.

All 3 of these are made because there was a short night.

Anyone, Questions, Comments, Alternatives?

BagelBob wrote:

Turns out that I'm not going to quote this post. Instead, I'm just going to put forth this simple question to 0_o:

Why are you defending everyone else?
It's understandable to defend someone you KNOW is on your own team, but it is the duty of the town to LOOK FOR SCUM. How about in the future you start ATTACKING people instead of DEFENDING them? You need to be SCUM-HUNTING instead of doing this.

BagelBob wrote:

Thoughts? Comments? Proverbial Expressions?

0_o wrote:

BagelBob wrote:

Turns out that I'm not going to quote this post. Instead, I'm just going to put forth this simple question to 0_o:

Why are you defending everyone else?
It's understandable to defend someone you KNOW is on your own team, but it is the duty of the town to LOOK FOR SCUM. How about in the future you start ATTACKING people instead of DEFENDING them? You need to be SCUM-HUNTING instead of doing this.

At the end of your post you said

BagelBob wrote:

Thoughts? Comments? Proverbial Expressions?

You wanted thoughts and comments, and I gave them to you. I'm not trying to defend anyone in particular, I was just stating my opinions on the validity of your attacks. Yes we want to find the mafia, but if someone argues someone is mafia because of ____, and I don't agree with the reasoning, I'll point it out. Unless you feel everyone should be out for themselves and only defend accusations against themselves?

Pasonia wrote:

BagelBob wrote:

[quote="Pasonia":44520]EDIT @ adam: I'm sorry I haven't voted in weeks. >.>

Sorry for inactivity? Then later he says that he had planned to lurk this game. Those two don't seem to go together.

Pasonia wrote:

Your logic is broken the moment you quote THIS post, and now I regard you as scum because you're able to go into so much detail on the mafia thing, while saying little about the person you protected or about yourself.