I will pierce the heavens

It's all about memorizing it, you need to play it hundreds of times. Remember how Lyby FC'd masterpiece? It took him like a week of playing that map during hours and hours, it even takes Mesita thousands of plays to do his FL scores lol, and some of them like Gold Dust took him MONTHS.

Have you played a jumpy map with FL 200 times and you still can't do it at all?

gladi #110 big big yeah!

ragelewa wrote:

Well I don't know about you guys but I wouldn't be able to FL jumpy maps even if I tried them a hundred thousand times.

I just lack the skill in FL to do that.

Maybe you could put stickers on your screen, lol.

But anyway, this ranking will probably be the best we'll ever get. Unless peppy hires the people in lunatic's top 20 video to fly around the world and personally inspect every player to assign him/her a rank, we're never going to get a true measure of skill. Skill is too subjective. It's too hard to put a player who can FC 180 bpm maps on DT and another player who can SS OD8 maps on HR + HD or something on the same scale. As long as the ranking is done by a formula, someone's gonna be able to exploit it. There will be good players with low rank and farmers with high rank, and everyone is going to complain. Besides, everyone knows the top players, anyway, and what they can do.

DT vs FL gogogo

Now I'm #2 on CTB...

o.o

So how many times did said pro players play 140bpm maps with DT? I'm not saying that particular map he did in 1 or 2 plays, I'm talking about the progress of getting to that point of skillevel. It's probably a whole amount more than the amount of plays that went into an FL score.

I'm just saying that if a player can FC a 140bpm map with DT in a few tries, it's "essentially" the same as a player that can FC a map with FL in a few times, because they're both a skill aquired after a certain amount of grinding.

Well, that's how I see it anyway.

The relationship between FL and DT:
Let's use | as one practice(one playcount) on one map, but fail to FC. Let's use x as one success FC on one map.

FL:
||||||||||||||||||||||||||x (and start another 160 bpm map) |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||x (and start another) |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||x

DT:
||||(start on 120dt)||||(130)|||||||(140)|||||||||||||||||||(150)||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||(160 170) ||x(140dt)|||x(150dt)||||x(150dt)

As you can see, they both require time to get the desired rank. The difference is: FL needs time on each map, but when you practise enough on DT, you should be able to fc it pretty *efficiently*.

When you compare a DT player and FL player, DT player should have more #1-#10 than a FL player. And that is reflected in the ??? ranking pretty nicely. Remember azuraer is only #5 there.

Peppy has done a really nice job here. Once the map difficulty problem is solved, the ??? rank will become more reliable and normal hard #1 farmers will be gone.

chonicle wrote:

The relationship between FL and DT:
Let's use | as one practice(one playcount) on one map, but fail to FC. Let's use x as one success FC on one map.

FL:
||||||||||||||||||||||||||x (and start another 160 bpm map) |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||x (and start another) |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||x

DT:
||||(start on 120dt)||||(130)|||||||(140)|||||||||||||||||||(150)||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||(160 170) ||x(140dt)|||x(150dt)||||x(150dt)

As you can see, they both require time to get the desired rank. The difference is: FL needs time on each map, but when you practise enough on DT, you should be able to fc it pretty *efficiently*.

When you compare a DT player and FL player, DT player should have more #1-#10 than a FL player. And that is reflected in the ??? ranking pretty nicely. Remember azuraer is only #5 there.

Peppy has done a really nice job here. Once the map difficulty problem is solved, the ??? rank will become more reliable and normal hard #1 farmers will be gone.

FL become easier with the time too

eldnl wrote:

FL makes easier with the time too

This might be the case, but not that efficient compared to dt.

chonicle wrote:

eldnl wrote:

FL makes easier with the time too

This might be the case, but not that efficient compared to dt.

yep

JhowM wrote:

Nashmun wrote:

JhowM : Play mostly Normal/Hard diffs (std too)

I didn't even know I played normal diffs that much.

You didn't, actually you play only Lunatic and Insane afaik /slowpoke.png

As I can see, the taiko rank is way better now
and, idk but
maybe it could have a way to consider specific taiko maps > standard insanes~hards (?)

inb4 "there are some standard insane diffs harder than taiko specific" , ik ik
but, hey, it is taiko! Taiko specific could count more imho. Taiko diffs are made for taiko players and blablabla everyone already knows it
BUUUT approved diffs could count the same as taiko specific
just because what everyone knows: they are very hard, as hard as a taiko diffs imo (at least 70% of them).
Take Through The Fire and The Flames or Banned Forever as examples.

Haters gonna hate hm

Also, goddammit please don't start the "HR+HD and DT are the only mods that define skill FL sucks" bullcrap again. It's off-topic and it doesn't make any sense.

BD almost caught up to me!

Like guys, people who get A's on the test aren't always the best at the subject. There are many cases that B students actually "teaching" the A students. Even in real life, there is no way to measure a true skill, or whatever it might be called.

If the ranking has very close relationship with the real rank, It is a good rank.

People talking about mods here doesnt seem to make sense for me, because, there might be slight problem about "ah!! why he is above me!!" or something like that, but the important thing is, current ranking already has preety much close relationship between rank and skill.

As we all know, we regard cookiezi is #1 player or osu. (well, not to mension about White Wolf's growing skills here, even with that, Cookiezi is still at least #2 at the moment). but the past(acutally, current overall) rank calls cookiezi #8 just because he didn't play osu! recently.

Also, If you think FL is easier then DT or the reverse, just farm your score that way. with higher rank, you will get higher ???'s for sure.
IF you regard FL a much easier mode to DT, why don't you farm your score that way?

I've never seen cookiezi playing FL, (on shoushitsu or symponic love, that is another case) while BinJip's most #1's are with FL.
Those two are just different; although we call cookiezi as the best player and he usually plays DT or HDHR, maybe he can't actually FL, (or he doesnt need it because he can easily DT or HDHR, OR HDDR or whatever without FL)and if someone puts extra effort on specific songs and get higher scores with FL, that is one thing too. and if someone gets many Insane #1~#6's with FL, that means he actually has skill about FL, (like, we would need +200 PC to FL it, but maybe he can do it in like 50P) and that should be included in the ranking too.

So I'm kind of person who saids "mods with same score multiplyer is basically the same".

Even Myself getting into #40, I use different mods. sometimes HRDT, sometimes only hidden, sometimes HDDT, sometimes HDHR..

well, if you think certain mode is easier to play, then farm the score that way.

Moelewa #9

The skills will pierce the heavens

I don't see Nyan in top50 - taiko scores are wrong

haha5957 wrote:

Also, If you think FL is easier then DT or the reverse, just farm your score that way. with higher rank, you will get higher ???'s for sure.
IF you regard FL a much easier mode to DT, why don't you farm your score that way?

+1

It's getting better and better.
And still: What about approvals? I am like pretty sure first 500-1000 players in this new ranking play them

Nashmun wrote:

If a high-skilled player, who plays a lot of insane unsubmitted maps, wants to have the rank he deserve, he have to play on ranked map, otherwise he'll always be lower in ranking than a "normal-skilled" player who play more :<

lol that sounds exactly like me. except i plat submitted just not yet approved maps ;w;

I hope approved maps are counted, I have a bunch more top40s on there that are pretty decent. A lot of approved maps are harder than ranked maps anyways. or most /w.e

^ completly agree with that becuase a good 75% of all maps i play are approved and not ranked (0108 and such)

YodaSnipe wrote:

I hope approved maps are counted, I have a bunch more top40s on there that are pretty decent. A lot of approved maps are harder than ranked maps anyways. or most /w.e

They are. I fixed a score on an approved map (read one of my previous posts here) from 97%ish to 99.5% and gained a point.

And do high scores with difficulty reduction mods worth more points than lower scores without them? As in the Big black.

Hernan wrote:

And do high scores with difficulty reduction mods worth more points than lower scores without them? As in the Big black.

Easy mod is teh hardest mod ever dude *.*

5758 my ass

Peppy updated the ??? ranking details. Approved maps do count

gaining a lot of points for going back and SSing all the stuff I was really close to before.

Yup apparently the update had a very large effect
I jumped to 8.8k even though my ??? Decreased

Just for the record Blue Dragon is like mega awesome anddd ranked lower than me... wuddup wit dat?!

YodaSnipe wrote:

Just for the record Blue Dragon is like mega awesome anddd ranked lower than me... wuddup wit dat?!

Blue Dragon can FC the sickest songs, but his accuracy isn't that good. It probably punishes his ??? scoring.

also

updated with rank in profile! \:D/

yeah I assumed.



wewt

Holy hell you guys are good...

Rather unexpected considering how much I play.

You know I just noticed how the country rankings never seem to change, perhaps this would change them XD

definitely need to spam DT on most Hard/Insane maps more

???: 5,246 (#447)

???: 2,080 (#37,896)

I suck too much.

This is unforgivable.

Must repair accuracy and be crazy

dNextGen wrote:

definitely need to spam DT on most Hard/Insane maps more

???: 5,246 (#447)

???: 4,640 (#1,978)


shut the fuck up dng

\:D/

just 1 question;

It's possible get some points even if i'm not in top 40/50, right'?

well at least it's better than my current rank.