> cs 7 is clearly harder than cs 5ziin wrote:
If it were a skill like you say we would have more ar 4- insanes, because it's clearly harder.
> we don't have many maps with cs 7
> we don't need skill to play cs 7
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Do you support user-definable AR in ranked play?
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> we don't have many maps with cs 7
> we don't need skill to play cs 7
some is different than none.
alright, i blame shotgun symphony
anyway, afaik we don't have ranked maps with ar 10, od 10 or drain 10. no skill needed to play any of these settings, then? yay
@Ekaru try playing some high bpm insane with ar 9 and then with ar 4 or lower
anyway, afaik we don't have ranked maps with ar 10, od 10 or drain 10. no skill needed to play any of these settings, then? yay
@Ekaru try playing some high bpm insane with ar 9 and then with ar 4 or lower
JesusYamato wrote:
pfff ar9 is too slow
Tested that out right now on a couple of fast maps.maay wrote:
@Ekaru try playing some high bpm insane with ar 9 and then with ar 4 or lower
It depends on the Insane, really. Straightforward ones are easy on AR 4. More confusing ones? I could do it, but I'd have to go through the map a few times first to get the hang of it. So, let's talk about AR 6, which is actually realistic. I can read this just fine on AR 6:
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/17338
And this:
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/29044
I do think there should be a minimum AR rule or guideline for Insanes, though; 7+ AR is recommended, though 6 AR is OK if it's like 110 BPM or something. But like AR 6- on a fast Insane is stupid. Sure, I can do it, but AR 7+ is funner most of the time.
Agreed. ^_^JesusYamato wrote:
140- bpm: ar8
140-210: ar9
210+: ar10
And osu would be a better place.
AR depends on the mapping. Taking a high AR map and lowering it will turn it into a confusing clusterfuck. Another map could be designed for the low AR, have no overlaps, have readable spacing, and work just fine.
A 210bpm Easy with AR10 is just stupid.
Here's a better guide: Pick an AR so that there aren't more than 4 objects onscreen at once. More if you (the mapper) are really good at dealing with overlaps.
A 210bpm Easy with AR10 is just stupid.
Here's a better guide: Pick an AR so that there aren't more than 4 objects onscreen at once. More if you (the mapper) are really good at dealing with overlaps.
This is a skill they should develop. inb4 extreme case shit where maps not designed for low AR get their AR changed.Shael wrote:
it would be nice, because some people are not used to lower ar than 9
ランキングの判定時にARの違う人どうしが一括りにされるというのは公平性に欠けると思うので反対です。
ARを全体で統一してこそ公平が保たれるのだと私は思います。
AR変更をModで行うのならば話は別ですが、Noneでやる以上はこの問題は避けられません。
またMapperの立場から見て言えば、ARという難易度基準をPlayerサイドで変更できてしまうという事は
譜面を作る人の個性を出せる幅が狭まるという事に繋がると思います。
面白いアイデアなのですが、実現は困難と感じます。
ARを全体で統一してこそ公平が保たれるのだと私は思います。
AR変更をModで行うのならば話は別ですが、Noneでやる以上はこの問題は避けられません。
またMapperの立場から見て言えば、ARという難易度基準をPlayerサイドで変更できてしまうという事は
譜面を作る人の個性を出せる幅が狭まるという事に繋がると思います。
面白いアイデアなのですが、実現は困難と感じます。
CXu wrote:
uhhh isn't reading different AR's just as much a skill as hitting jumps, small circles or streaming? I'd like this for an unranked mod, sure, but not as a ranked one. If the reason is to enjoy more maps and having fun, then you probably won't mind it being unranked anyway.
Shael_old
This.CXu wrote:
uhhh isn't reading different AR's just as much a skill as hitting jumps, small circles or streaming? I'd like this for an unranked mod, sure, but not as a ranked one. If the reason is to enjoy more maps and having fun, then you probably won't mind it being unranked anyway.
Not to mention that it would completely ruin the spirit of some maps like http://osu.ppy.sh/b/24428. Speaking of fun, successfully reading slow AR (especially with weird patterns) may be equally thrilling as reading high AR.
Now you understand why honeycombs are <3~
I agree with this idea and the mods easy and hardrock should only change the timing window and circle size. So maybe easy mod will be a bit more helpfull on insane difficulty maps. DT should keep the AR too then. And AR should be set at mod selection before song, so you could set it for every song for your preference.
I hope it is not too late for this feature and i hope it will be considered
I hope it is not too late for this feature and i hope it will be considered
ar is a crucial part of the game... it'd kinda ruin it if you could pick it
ar is a crucial part of the game... so crucial that the player should be able to pick the perfect setting.shaNk wrote:
ar is a crucial part of the game... it'd kinda ruin it if you could pick it
noziin wrote:
ar is a crucial part of the game... so crucial that the player should be able to pick the perfect setting.shaNk wrote:
ar is a crucial part of the game... it'd kinda ruin it if you could pick it
Or yes, but then no ranking. It would be really lame if you could still rank.
Shael_old
you can already increase AR on ctb and taiko, or rather decrease the number of notes on the screen at one time.knjiga wrote:
It would be really lame if you could still rank.
Just because x-person can stream 240 bpm, doesn't have to mean y-preson needs be able to stream 240 bpm also.Shael wrote:
Why?
I don't see how this would destroy rankings
Just because x-person is good with ar8, doesn't have to mean y-preson needs to be good with ar8 also
Just because x-person is good with rhythm, doesn't have to mean y-preson needs to be good with rhythm also.
Just because x-person has good reflexes, doesn't have to mean y-preson needs to have good reflexes also.
Unless they want to be good at the game that is.
Playing high AR (or low in some cases) requires skill, skill then shouldn't be removed from the game for basically no reason.
CTB, Taiko - How do you increase the AR there?
With a piece of paper or a window blocking the top/side of the screen.knjiga wrote:
CTB, Taiko - How do you increase the AR there?
There is such a thing as eggpain difficulty:
Circle size too small - This makes it a whole lot harder to hit the note correctly, but usually you can still read it.
AR too high or too low - This makes it difficult to see where the next note will be, and that makes it not fun to play.
very fast BPM deathstream - usually a sign of a badly made map, but often time there is an inherent difficulty within the song. Very fast songs are almost always harder than slow songs.
Rhythms that don't make sense with the song - your style sucks, but this is all opinion based.
Most games I have played allow you to customize AR, which is really the reason for this request. When playing a map at the wrong AR, it's not fun. I don't really care about the whole "skill" thing. AR doesn't affect score, it just adds artificial difficulty. Very few people can read AR10. AR9 is more reasonable. AR8 is almost everyone who can pass insanes.
If I can pass a song on AR9 but not on AR10, why should it be AR10 then? It's a question of where the difficulty in a beatmap should lie, and it shouldn't be in your eyes. It should be based on the difficulty of the rhythms in the song.
Being able to play all ARs is a skill, if you can't react to AR 10 it's your problem and if any map has that AR and you can't play it is just your fault, same applies to the fact that you won't be able to play HR fluently if you can't read AR 10.
Same shit with retarded low ARs, it's a damn (useless imo) hard thing to master and some maps are just about being able to read low AR.
Same shit with retarded low ARs, it's a damn (useless imo) hard thing to master and some maps are just about being able to read low AR.
If those are eggpain difficulties, what are then difficulties without the eggpain part? Difficulty is difficulty, how bothersome some of its aspects are to a certain player will vary and is completely subjective. One important thing about difficultly though, is the fact that overcoming it provides enjoyment and fun. If you take any kind of difficulty out of osu you will take the potential fun from it too.ziin wrote:
With a piece of paper or a window blocking the top/side of the screen.knjiga wrote:
CTB, Taiko - How do you increase the AR there?
There is such a thing as eggpain difficulty:
Circle size too small - This makes it a whole lot harder to hit the note correctly, but usually you can still read it.
AR too high or too low - This makes it difficult to see where the next note will be, and that makes it not fun to play.
very fast BPM deathstream - usually a sign of a badly made map, but often time there is an inherent difficulty within the song. Very fast songs are almost always harder than slow songs.
Rhythms that don't make sense with the song - your style sucks, but this is all opinion based.
Well, comparing osu to other games isn't really useful that much since osu has that aspect of aiming first before you click. That part is obviously very big and AR is one of the main things that control its difficulty.ziin wrote:
Most games I have played allow you to customize AR, which is really the reason for this request. When playing a map at the wrong AR, it's not fun. I don't really care about the whole "skill" thing. AR doesn't affect score, it just adds artificial difficulty. Very few people can read AR10. AR9 is more reasonable. AR8 is almost everyone who can pass insanes.
You may not care about the whole "skill" thing but you can't just dismiss the opinions of all those players who actually do care about it, and are in fact very proud of their hard earned skill (in reading high AR for example). I can completely understand that something
in a map doesn't feel right, be it AR or some other aspect, obviously I felt like that too for some maps. Still, the map is made the way it is made and you can't know the reasons for it. Changing the AR may affect the difficulty greatly, or even completely change its feel.
Those aspects are decided by the mapper, and should be respected and unchangeable (maybe you just haven't come to appreciate it yet).
If you don't care about the "skill" and also can't play the extreme (10) ARs yourself, you don't have the right to request this feature to apply for ranking.
A lot of times would have changing the AR allowed me to pass a map I otherwise couldn't. But I don't want to cheat and change the AR to suit me, I want to pass it on that original AR, only then will I truly feel like I can pass. Cheating is exactly what it would have been.ziin wrote:
If I can pass a song on AR9 but not on AR10, why should it be AR10 then? It's a question of where the difficulty in a beatmap should lie, and it shouldn't be in your eyes. It should be based on the difficulty of the rhythms in the song.
The difficulty of a map shouldn't be in the eyes of a player (thus no changing AR). It also shouldn't be based on the difficulty of the rhythms in the song, that's completely subjective and you stated it like it's objective. The difficulty should be determined by the mapper himself. If you consider mapping a form of art, you don't take the artwork from an artist and then modify it to suit your tastes. You either like it or not.
For fun though, everything should be allowed and as I said, I don't have anything against this feature if it's only for unranked play. But I feel there are things of higher priority. (It already exists as an option by changing the AR in the editor)
But ranking is not "fun", it is serious business.
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Priority to this!!
IT MUST BE LIKE THAT, Just name it SPEED and make x0,5 ~ x10,0 in changes of x0,5... Just like most Rhythm/Beatgames...
And available to Osu, Taiko and Catch The Beat, too all the play modes...
AND THIS NEED TO BE COUNTED AS RANKED PLAY...
This is one of Osu's Gameplay Worst errors... Really, you need to make this... and it need to be the default playstyle...
It is pathetic to think, to add this feature and make it Unranked Mode...
IT MUST BE LIKE THIS, AND RANKED...
IT MUST BE LIKE THAT, Just name it SPEED and make x0,5 ~ x10,0 in changes of x0,5... Just like most Rhythm/Beatgames...
And available to Osu, Taiko and Catch The Beat, too all the play modes...
AND THIS NEED TO BE COUNTED AS RANKED PLAY...
This is one of Osu's Gameplay Worst errors... Really, you need to make this... and it need to be the default playstyle...
It is pathetic to think, to add this feature and make it Unranked Mode...
IT MUST BE LIKE THIS, AND RANKED...
If this will ever be accepted, I'll leave osu!. Just sayin'~
^ This ^GladiOol wrote:
If this will ever be accepted, I'll leave osu!. Just sayin'~
AR defines the map to me
aston_old
it'd make the game more boring and everyone would just set it to 6 or 7 so hard rock and double time seem easier. then you'd also have to change hard rock (as it increases AR), and you'd destroy all rankings.
MIGHT AS WELL GIVE PLAYERS THE CHOICE OF CIRCLE SIZE AND HP DRAIN TOO. DERPDERP.
If you give players the ability to control AR, you're effectively just telling yourself "eff improving, i just want to rank."
Though I seriously doubt this will be approved, I support keeping AR to the mappers, since the mapper should know best since it's a RANKED map, most likely.
MIGHT AS WELL GIVE PLAYERS THE CHOICE OF CIRCLE SIZE AND HP DRAIN TOO. DERPDERP.
If you give players the ability to control AR, you're effectively just telling yourself "eff improving, i just want to rank."
Though I seriously doubt this will be approved, I support keeping AR to the mappers, since the mapper should know best since it's a RANKED map, most likely.
Except this is a very good idea.aston wrote:
MIGHT AS WELL GIVE PLAYERS THE CHOICE OF CIRCLE SIZE AND HP DRAIN TOO. DERPDERP.
OzzyOzrock wrote:
EasyMod should let you choose the diff settings. That's it.
I'd like if it were customizable for maps using the old file format from before the OD/AR split.
Everything after that has a specifically set AR and I'm fine with that, if it's too low and obnoxious to play just downrate the map if you want or play HR. Or just ignore the map, that's what I usually do.
Everything after that has a specifically set AR and I'm fine with that, if it's too low and obnoxious to play just downrate the map if you want or play HR. Or just ignore the map, that's what I usually do.
Idk if i am the only one ... but i think the AR should be like the mapper want it.
Some maps would be soooo easy with lower AR.But I think challenge goes first because I like challenge .
What is the next idea? Customize difficulty?
BUT if this would be an unrankeable mod it would be fine for me
Some maps would be soooo easy with lower AR.But I think challenge goes first because I like challenge .
What is the next idea? Customize difficulty?
BUT if this would be an unrankeable mod it would be fine for me
Actually, most people want to INCREASE the AR to make it easier.bomber34 wrote:
Idk if i am the only one ... but i think the AR should be like the mapper want it.
Some maps would be soooo easy with lower AR.But I think challenge goes first because I like challenge .
What is the next idea? Customize difficulty?
BUT if this would be an unrankeable mod it would be fine for me
On many Insane difficulties, AR7 and lower is a pain to read and play. AR 8/9 are the most common/popular ARs, depending on the speed of the map.
> Increase AR to make map easier.
So, why can't we set circle size for our selfs either then? You just put up the worst argument ever to accept this feature request.
So, why can't we set circle size for our selfs either then? You just put up the worst argument ever to accept this feature request.
That wasn't even supposed to be an argument.
It was just an explanation for bomber who talked about how lowering AR would make maps easier.
If you read my post before that, I only support this feature requests for maps from before the AR/OD split since they technically don't have as much of a specifically specified AR like modern maps do.
It was just an explanation for bomber who talked about how lowering AR would make maps easier.
If you read my post before that, I only support this feature requests for maps from before the AR/OD split since they technically don't have as much of a specifically specified AR like modern maps do.
That is it, I find fun in improving at this game(same with all games) even though I'm not good, making this option just means I just wasted 1/2 a year trying to get from ar7 to ar8 then to ar9. What would have been the point in the struggle to improve if this option was around? Where's the fun in that.aston wrote:
If you give players the ability to control AR, you're effectively just telling yourself "eff improving, i just want to rank."
Mappers make the map, it's their decision to how the map should be (along with moderators modding it)
this feature request makes me giggle
But I think that everyone has its own "perfect" AR :3 and for me it is harder to play with a high AR.Luna wrote:
That wasn't even supposed to be an argument.
It was just an explanation for bomber who talked about how lowering AR would make maps easier.
If you read my post before that, I only support this feature requests for maps from before the AR/OD split since they technically don't have as much of a specifically specified AR like modern maps do.
And this request is fine for me as long as it would be an unrankeable mod.
I agree with the old maps point ^^
Consider that a skill you need to work on.
:'(mm201 wrote:
Consider that a skill you need to work on.
but that is a skill you don't need for the most part :-/ and even if i would be a master with AR 10 i would prefer 6-7
And I would prefer if maps used good spacing and didn't overlap everywhere.
You can't always have what you want.
Or you can, by going into the editor and changing it, causing it to become unranked as it ought to.
You can't always have what you want.
Or you can, by going into the editor and changing it, causing it to become unranked as it ought to.
This. bomber, you said you would like this as an unrankable mod, right? Well, there you go! ^_^mm201 wrote:
And I would prefer if maps used good spacing and didn't overlap everywhere.
You can't always have what you want.
Or you can, by going into the editor and changing it, causing it to become unranked as it ought to.
:-D exactly ^^ we don't need this changeable AR requestEkaru wrote:
This. bomber, you said you would like this as an unrankable mod, right? Well, there you go! ^_^
just do what Ekaru says someone needs to make a program which edits all your osu files to use a user defined AR. That's more likely to happen than an osu!dev doing anything to the game.
Thoroughly Agreeing
i think this might be a good idea, actually.
i know that personally, i enjoy AR7 on most maps in comparison to the common AR8-9 which is used these days, so i find that today's maps are a lot less enjoyable as a consequence, for me at least. i don't give two shits about the scoring though - which everybody else shouldn't either.
i support this being implemented, but only for standard ranked maps, not charted ones. charted maps are supposed to be played competitively and scored as-is, so adding something like this would take an element away from them.
i know that personally, i enjoy AR7 on most maps in comparison to the common AR8-9 which is used these days, so i find that today's maps are a lot less enjoyable as a consequence, for me at least. i don't give two shits about the scoring though - which everybody else shouldn't either.
i support this being implemented, but only for standard ranked maps, not charted ones. charted maps are supposed to be played competitively and scored as-is, so adding something like this would take an element away from them.
Increasing AR should decrease the score
because low AR is fucking hard:D:D
because low AR is fucking hard
:D:DNatteke wrote:
Increasing AR should decrease the score
because low AR is fucking hard
> Decrease Approach Rate
> Add Hard Rock
> ???
> Every map will have hard rock scores from now on.
Why is this 11 pages long. Why do people support this
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
> Add Hard Rock
> ???
> Every map will have hard rock scores from now on.
Why is this 11 pages long. Why do people support this
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Just because people support it doesn't mean it will happen
Well duh.Sakura Hana wrote:
Just because people support it doesn't mean it will happen
I'm just wondering why people support this.
Well actually what's hard about HR is the OD increase and the circle size thing, AR 10 makes things easier for some players.GladiOol wrote:
> Decrease Approach Rate
> Add Hard Rock
> ???
> Every map will have hard rock scores from now on.
Why is this 11 pages long. Why do people support this
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
I just don't get why we shouldn't make Circle Size user definable either then?
AR 10 makes it easier to play, bigger circle size makes it easier to play as well.
As a matter of fact, I don't like spinners that much either. I want spun out to be a ranked mod as well then.
While we're at it, I'm not so good with clicking either. I want Relax mode to be ranked as well, it will make it easier.
AR 10 makes it easier to play, bigger circle size makes it easier to play as well.
As a matter of fact, I don't like spinners that much either. I want spun out to be a ranked mod as well then.
While we're at it, I'm not so good with clicking either. I want Relax mode to be ranked as well, it will make it easier.
...what a horrible reason to implent it XD
''It's too hard! Let's add in an option for us to change the AR so it won't be so hard anymore!''
Isn't AR part of a map's challenge as well?
''It's too hard! Let's add in an option for us to change the AR so it won't be so hard anymore!''
Isn't AR part of a map's challenge as well?
rofl sorry i wasn't done posting. I never said i was supporting this; AR10 do makes things easier for *some*, but obviously the majority of players can't read it and rarely use it. Hence expect massive HR abuse (which you already mentioned) if stuff like this gets implemented (not gonna happen anyway i believe)
every rhythm game other than technika (inherently impossible to modify AR) and osu! standard lets you change AR or at least speed it up at a user definable rate. I haven't played any of those stupid ps3 or wii games though so IDK about those.GladiOol wrote:
Well duh.Sakura Hana wrote:
Just because people support it doesn't mean it will happen
I'm just wondering why people support this.
I'm more concerned with a revamp of the easy mod since the only times I feel I need to use it actually makes the map more impossible to play than it already is. Although easier is relative, AR10 is too hard for me, AR10 is easier for long-time players, what do you do?... nothing.
Other than that, user defined AR should neutralize mod score bonuses or give a slight penalty, basically any measure to remove it from high-end competitive play. But this reminds me of an old half-time abuse thread I stumbled across when I started
Nobody wants to see user defined AR on the top40 I think.
Mixed-feelings on this since I do agree it's part of the map difficulty, for example: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/38423&m=0 even though it's a bad example this was one of the maps I played when I first started because the stream compilation was quite popular amongst my friends.
Other than that, user defined AR should neutralize mod score bonuses or give a slight penalty, basically any measure to remove it from high-end competitive play. But this reminds me of an old half-time abuse thread I stumbled across when I started
Nobody wants to see user defined AR on the top40 I think.Mixed-feelings on this since I do agree it's part of the map difficulty, for example: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/38423&m=0 even though it's a bad example this was one of the maps I played when I first started because the stream compilation was quite popular amongst my friends.
i'm wondering myself as wellGladiOol wrote:
Why is this 11 pages long. Why do people support this
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
I support Gladi.
lol
lol
this is about as retarded is retarded gets can i get a DENIED in here?
IppE
Woot, Katawa Shoujo.IppE wrote:
I personally would increase AR on anything below AR8
Anyway, AR should be how the mapper decides. Players shouldn't be able to define it; it takes away from the map.
Thing is this should be definable by user but osu! never had this feature and since adding this now would fuck up the whole game, no.
You just made my day.those wrote:
Woot, Katawa Shoujo.
maimed the fuck
Actually jubeat and REFLEC BEAT don't let you change the AR.ziin wrote:
every rhythm game other than technika (inherently impossible to modify AR) and osu! standard lets you change AR or at least speed it up at a user definable rate. I haven't played any of those stupid ps3 or wii games though so IDK about those.
jubeat because slowing it would break the charts. (also note that jubeat note appearance timing is very close to osu! AR10)
Technika doesn't really have approach rate. All the notes for the next 2 measures (or whatever) are always visible. The moving bar doesn't really count since the important thing is the timing between how early the notes appear on the screen vs. when you hit them.
Same with REFLEC BEAT, although some charts have slower moving notes.
Also I'm pretty sure ReRave doesn't have adjustable approach rate either, but there's no good reason for it unlike these other games.
That being said, pretty much every game with scrolling notes lets to customize the scroll speed.
REFLEC BEAT is a scrolling game btw, so you can increase the AR there too, but I'm not sure if it's worthwhile, especially since there's not just one line to hit but 2.
rerave just looks horrible in every video i've seen of it.
I forgot about jubeat, but that doesn't even have any sort of variable speed does it? osu does, and mods to change AR (horribly broken mods IMO, which is mainly why I want easy to let you choose the difficulty settings).
rerave just looks horrible in every video i've seen of it.
I forgot about jubeat, but that doesn't even have any sort of variable speed does it? osu does, and mods to change AR (horribly broken mods IMO, which is mainly why I want easy to let you choose the difficulty settings).
This is true of osu! as well for the very same reason.Lybydose wrote:
jubeat because slowing it would break the charts.
So can we lock this and chock it up to a big fat no?
The current plan is to make a customizable Easy mod? The 30% multiplier should keep everyone from using the settings they find easiest on everything.
I guess
I honestly this thread died a couple months ago
If it happeneds... make sure every approach rate counts the percentage of the score =D
I personally won't see this happening though, unless it is in a form of an Unrankable mod (like Relax, Auto-Pilot, Spun Out, and Auto mods).
On off-topic note, I find myself challenged on playing this beatmap with Easy+HalfTime+Hidden mod, and I successfully SS'd there. I just want the shiny silver SSH rank there.
On off-topic note, I find myself challenged on playing this beatmap with Easy+HalfTime+Hidden mod, and I successfully SS'd there. I just want the shiny silver SSH rank there.
^ I agree with this.Autonom wrote:
i would say no to this, the AR is part of the beatmap :/
yeah! can't have this as a ranked modwaitwut is a ranked mod 
I don't know if this has been said already but I think something like this would work well. Since approach rates below a certain number just make the map hard to read and no fun to play whatsoever, how about just making the lowest possible approach rate that number (8 I think, idk the specific rates) and only have a couple different rates going up from that. There would only be a couple possible rates, essentially just eschewing the way low ones. This way hard rock still makes it harder like it should and nothing really gets broken except for way old beatmaps that use awful approach rates. I don't know, but I have used hard rock on some maps to make it EASIER because the approach rate was so awful, which is counter-intuitive. Just a thought, but I honestly don't mind the approach rates as they are, especially since 90% of maps use agreeable ones. As a side-note, I don't think that the AR is part of the beatmap because the notes are going to be hit at the same times regardless of the AR. I feel like the AR is just a way to fluctuate difficulty and that's all it is. Saying that the AR is part of the map's style or that it would mess with the map artists' desired way to play it is dumb. *shrug*
it's not fair to the people who set scores without changing AR
this would have been good if it was here from the start
but it's too late now
it'd just make maps easier since players find high ARs easier than low ARs (well, some/most do)
this would have been good if it was here from the start
but it's too late now
it'd just make maps easier since players find high ARs easier than low ARs (well, some/most do)
yeah, being able to change it as you wish definitely wouldn't work, but I feel like there are ways out there, and I definitely feel like low rates are a problem. I don't thiink ANYONE who plays maps above like 1 star find lower approach rates easier. I get the feeling that 99% of people just find them annoying and ruin the map.
they aren't really
it's just that it's harder to focus on complicated patterns with an overwhelming amount of objects on the screen for some people (myself including, ar9 maste race)
most ranked maps are fine; some are hard to read because of the low ar, but that doesn't make it a problem
easy mode, however, that's a different story
it's just that it's harder to focus on complicated patterns with an overwhelming amount of objects on the screen for some people (myself including, ar9 maste race)
most ranked maps are fine; some are hard to read because of the low ar, but that doesn't make it a problem
easy mode, however, that's a different story
yeah I don't think that anything even NEEDS to be done about it, but I like my idea lol
all in all not that big of an issue; I'd rather see the time spent developing touhosu or something than coming up with a solution for this
all in all not that big of an issue; I'd rather see the time spent developing touhosu or something than coming up with a solution for this
^thats right~ykcarrot wrote:
If player can adjust AR, score should be ignored.
^yepdvorak wrote:
Map is Art?
if this gets ranked(?) i would set low ar on all maps lol
Ah, so you're a masochist.gat1toneku wrote:
if this gets ranked(?) i would set low ar on all maps lol
Now this is what I think,
It should be like an Easy mod, you can change the AR to whatever AR you want EXCEPT any AR higher than the beatmap's AR. If it's AR9 for the beatmap, then you will not be able to change it into AR10.
If you want to use AR8 on an AR9 beatmap, then I think you should get less points. Like an easy mod.
Now there is some old beatmaps with ridiculously low ARs, but you could just use hardrock for them.
I'm thinking it would be unfair for those who cannot use AR10 if higher ARs than the beatmap with for example AR9 should be allowed.
It should be like an Easy mod, you can change the AR to whatever AR you want EXCEPT any AR higher than the beatmap's AR. If it's AR9 for the beatmap, then you will not be able to change it into AR10.
If you want to use AR8 on an AR9 beatmap, then I think you should get less points. Like an easy mod.
Now there is some old beatmaps with ridiculously low ARs, but you could just use hardrock for them.
I'm thinking it would be unfair for those who cannot use AR10 if higher ARs than the beatmap with for example AR9 should be allowed.
it already is an unranked mod.
Just pick your map, edit it, go to song settings, click the difficulty tab then change the approach rate.
I really don't see how this could even work.
1. HardRock/EasyMode affect AR.I think this alone would discount the possibility of an official option to change the AR at will.
2. If it were an unrankable mod, what would the interface be to change the AR? An entirely new interface would have to be designed just for this.
3. This could open up exploits for hackers to change the AR in ranked maps using a third party program that mirrors the interface of the "unranked mod" so that it can be used in a ranked setting.
4. Wouldn't it be annoying if you had to reset the AR you wanted to do every time you turned the mod off? Unless you want to play every song at a particular AR. I would also like to point out that there is currently no way of knowing the exact AR without going into the editor. There's currently no way of knowing whether a particular AR will work well until you play, and unless you turn the mod off, or know exactly how to adjust AR per song/difficulty, playing with the proper AR on a song will be difficult and cumbersome.
1. HardRock/EasyMode affect AR.I think this alone would discount the possibility of an official option to change the AR at will.
2. If it were an unrankable mod, what would the interface be to change the AR? An entirely new interface would have to be designed just for this.
3. This could open up exploits for hackers to change the AR in ranked maps using a third party program that mirrors the interface of the "unranked mod" so that it can be used in a ranked setting.
4. Wouldn't it be annoying if you had to reset the AR you wanted to do every time you turned the mod off? Unless you want to play every song at a particular AR. I would also like to point out that there is currently no way of knowing the exact AR without going into the editor. There's currently no way of knowing whether a particular AR will work well until you play, and unless you turn the mod off, or know exactly how to adjust AR per song/difficulty, playing with the proper AR on a song will be difficult and cumbersome.
I like this idea because of all the rythm games I've played. Osu is the only one that has no adjustments for speed readings.
それぞれが合うARを選べたら良いなとは思う。
選択出来るようになったら、推奨AR表示があると尚良いかも。
選択出来るようになったら、推奨AR表示があると尚良いかも。
In English.kaGemi0119 wrote:
それぞれが合うARを選べたら良いなとは思う。
選択出来るようになったら、推奨AR表示があると尚良いかも。
I don't really like the idea of this, but I agree with theowest. I can see this happening as a mod. But I still think it's pretty unnecessary for this game.theowest wrote:
Now this is what I think,
It should be like an Easy mod, you can change the AR to whatever AR you want EXCEPT any AR higher than the beatmap's AR. If it's AR9 for the beatmap, then you will not be able to change it into AR10.
If you want to use AR8 on an AR9 beatmap, then I think you should get less points. Like an easy mod.
Now there is some old beatmaps with ridiculously low ARs, but you could just use hardrock for them.
I'm thinking it would be unfair for those who cannot use AR10 if higher ARs than the beatmap with for example AR9 should be allowed.
I actually changed my mind about a few things.
The AR isn't very skill-based. Every other option is.
Let the players pick whatever AR they want and that's that. Not effecting points.
The AR isn't very skill-based. Every other option is.
Let the players pick whatever AR they want and that's that. Not effecting points.
dvorak wrote:
Since everyone has their own unique best AR for themselves, is there any point to keep AR on mappers side?
Readability Problem? Map is Art? Everyone have their own thought and eye/ability for such kind of game.
I want to know many opinions from mapper/players side
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表題-アプローチレートをユーザー側で調整できるオプションにしない？
十人十色というように、大体の人は自分に一番いいアプローチレート=AR（わっかが閉じる速度）がありますが
それをMapperサイドに置いておく意味ってなんだろう？
見やすさの問題？ 譜面は芸術かな？ 誰でも自分の目や能力にあったARが有るし自分の意見もあるよね。
マッパーとプレイヤー両方からの意見、なるべく多く聞きたいので日本語でもいいので意見があれば書いてください。
もちろん反対意見も求む、というより反対意見の方が大事。
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每個人都有自己能夠讀的最適AR,是否該讓mapper握有AR的控制權?
讀譜的問題或是map本身的藝術感問題?每個人都有自己的一套想法吧?
我希望能得到mapper/player們的各方意見
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각자 자신에게 알맞는 AR이 따로 존재하기 때문에 꼭 매퍼가 AR을 정하지 않아도 된다고 생각합니다. / 가독성? 맵의 예술성? 이들의 기준은 개개인에 따라 모두 다르다고 생각됩니다. / 매퍼 그리고 플레이어 모두의 입장에서 다양한 의견을 들어보고 싶습니다
(thanks KRZY)
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หัวเรื่อง : ทำให้ฝ่ายผู้เล่นปรับความเร็วของ วงแหวน AR ได้ดีมั้ย ?
แต่ละท่านก็มีความถนัดไม่ตรงกัน และแต่ละคนก็มีความเร็ว AR ที่ตัวเองถนัด
แต่มัเหตผลอะไรที่ต้องวางระบบตั้งไว้ที่ฝั่งคนทำ MAP อย่างเดียว ?
เพื่อความชอบ ? เพื่อดูเป็นผลงานศิลปะของคนทำ ? แต่ว่าแต่ละคนก็มีความเร็วที่ตัวเองถนัดใช่มั้ยล่ะ ?
(thanks S i R i R u)