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NoHitter
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NoHitter
If I'm getting Two's roleclaim right, it's that he may choose to kill to get lynch immunity.
If he guesses wrongly though, he'll be revealed to be SK?

I don't think Two can win with town.
Mod: What is exactly Town's winning condition?
Is it eliminating all anti-town? My role doesn't say anything but does have "Town" in the role name.

As for the next lynch candidate, I would really prefer LadySuburu, but if Two would kill LS tomorrow then I'm fine with that.
Also can someone explain to me exactly why you guys are voting akro?
0_o
2,155 posts
Joined December 2008
0_o
OK hold on let me get this straight, is the plan to let Two attempt to kill everyone who has claimed a game?

Sorry, I had to blast through this thread and all the Two conversation has turned into a huge confusing blur. And I'm tired.
Rantai
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Joined July 2010
Rantai
From what I gather;

We have 7 claims, he will systematically shoot them in order of most perceived scummy. If they told the truth, they're dead and he gains immunity. If they lied then it's down to wifom, did they lie about their game to stay out of heat as a town or did they lie to stay out of heat as a mafia.

In this case it is proposed that we lynch the liar. Assuming 3 deaths per day we can only do this 6 times before game over, which is my gripe here.

Did I miss anything?
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
i'm fine with it .. i just want to point out we'll have to rethink Two's situation in a few days cause i don't believe he can win with us




unless you give us your game two


like your real game so we can understand where the hell that role came from
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old

Rantai wrote:

From what I gather;

We have 7 claims, he will systematically shoot them in order of most perceived scummy. If they told the truth, they're dead and he gains immunity. If they lied then it's down to wifom, did they lie about their game to stay out of heat as a town or did they lie to stay out of heat as a mafia.

In this case it is proposed that we lynch the liar. Assuming 3 deaths per day we can only do this 6 times before game over, which is my gripe here.

Did I miss anything?
no thats exactly how it works

mafia can't win
Rantai
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Rantai
Mafia can potentially win if it's just Two and a mafia left. Probably unlikely but possible.

If Two can joint win with town then I don't particularly care if he is alive or not as it doesn't affect our win condition (this isn't clarified fully as far as I am concerned).

We'll be in quite a bit of trouble if every single claimer was a townie. Afterthought.

(What is it, 21 - 7 claimed. 14 unclaimed, 6 potential lynches, 6 potential night kills, 2 untouched)
Chris_old
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Chris_old
22 7 claimed - 1 cause swiftwolf

21* 6 claimed 14 unclaimed 2 kills per day lynch/shot + nightkill
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
SPOILER
21 currently alive.

7 alive claims. (oh wait Two is one of them, ok 6 then)

6 lynches remaining assuming 3 deaths per day (21 --> 19 (lyn/NK) --> 16 --> 13 --> 10 --> 7 --> 4 (ly-lo))

Of those 4, 1 is Two, 1 potential mafia (2 impossible, auto mafia win) and the rest town.

This was purely for my visual conceptualisation. Hmm.

I propose that by the time we get to the last 4 we have no claimed people alive. This'll negate the situation where Two cannot with with town (he'll need to take a lucky shot OR, if he's trustable by then we simply don't lynch him). If that works out then I have less of a problem with this.
Rantai
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Joined July 2010
Rantai
Actually no, if there is a mafia alive, we'd have to have no claims by 7 people.
Jinxy
2,777 posts
Joined February 2009
Jinxy
fyi either I missed it or we still don't have a votecount nor time before Night.

God Mod: Votecount + Time left?

inb4 scum has a role to mask this
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
we already had a vote count before

readdddddd
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
why do you ignore me two
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old
man salvage why are you always mafia
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
on what do you base your great acusation?
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Topic Starter
Wojjan
akrolsmir - 4 (Chris, Two, Salvage, animask)
Salvage - 1 (Backfire)
Chris - 1 (LadySuburu)
LadySuburu - 1 (Ivalset)
pieguy1372 - 1 (adam2046)

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Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
unvote salvage, vote akrolsmir
Chris_old
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Chris_old
so can the rest of the mafia vote for akrolsmir so this day can be over
Backfire
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Joined February 2010
Backfire
I unvoted Salvage, Wojjan.
Well ok, Unvote.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
did everyone give up already or something

I mean I know it's impossible for mafia to win but you shouldn't quit d1

it might turn around somehow
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
why is everyone lurking omg
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir
Two, what game are you from? None of The Werewolf Game roles fit what you're currently claiming to have.
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
Why are you so sensitive omg. You aren't doing much more helpful then a lurker if you keep on complaing over people reading the thread. Make you own thoughts if you think the thread isn't moving fast enough.

I'm going to read what akro has said before voting. Untill then, no votes from me.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
according to ladysuburu salvage and akrolsmir, mafia have an ability similar to mine
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old
thats why I called salvage mafia

it's pretty obvious
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir

akrolsmir wrote:

Two, what game are you from? None of The Werewolf Game roles fit what you're currently claiming to have.

---

Two wrote:

according to ladysuburu salvage and akrolsmir, mafia have an ability similar to mine
Er, what?
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
your confusion only reinforces my suspicions

it also lets me know that you guys either don't have daychat or are horrible
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Two wrote:

your confusion only reinforces my suspicions

it also lets me know that you guys either don't have daychat or are horrible
maybe that means they will be more organized d2 and have a story to stick with
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir
Stop ignoring parts of posts that are inconvenient to you.

I'd also be much obliged if you could actually explain your arguments rather than have us take your word as fact. Why are you so reluctant to have us understand your thought process?
Chris_old
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Chris_old

akrolsmir wrote:

Stop ignoring parts of posts that are inconvenient to you.

I'd also be much obliged if you could actually explain your arguments rather than have us take your word as fact. Why are you so reluctant to have us understand your thought process?
I thought it was obvious he meant you're mafia with the power to kill off softclaims

thats why you and salvage and ladysuburu are so for giving up game names
Two_old
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Joined March 2008
Two_old
there was nothing unclear about what I said

all 3 of you (ladysuburu, salvage, akrolsmir) were game fishing

I can only imagine that you have a way to get around my bulletproof through knowing my game name, and want to make sure I didn't lie about it before using it (it could have a negative effect like my role)
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir
Okay, thank you very much. That wasn't so hard, was it?

Now, unless someone can remember a game which had a day serial killer, it should be patently obvious that Two is lying about his role.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
if it's so obvious, what is my real role?
Chris_old
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Chris_old

akrolsmir wrote:

Okay, thank you very much. That wasn't so hard, was it?

Now, unless someone can remember a game which had a day serial killer, it should be patently obvious that Two is lying about his role.
lol @ you still trying to dig up games with serial killers subtly

no not gonna help you sorry
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir
Who knows. Some kind of day vig. You haven't shown us any proof of needing to know the game of a person to gain lynchproof, or anything.

@chris- The point was just to disprove Two's insane roleclaim.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
considering my role I really doubt his claim is fake
Salvage
590 posts
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Salvage
i'd suggest you to read my post when i asked two about his game chris .. cause idk how you know he can win with town (no sk can win with half the votes as far as i know)


plus i hardly doubt there are much mafia members in that list .. 1 or 2 max i think, and it's more probabble that he hits town (x2 town deaths 1 day .. maybe 3 if misslynch), on the long run that won't help town and you're encouraging it too much .. why is it?
Two_old
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Joined March 2008
Two_old
for the last time, I don't win with town
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Salvage wrote:

on the long run that won't help town and you're encouraging it too much .. why is it?
cause it's impossible for mafia to win using this strategy

duh

but you wouldn't understand how that is due to the fact mafia don't have to comprehend whats being said in the game
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
yeah you're not making sense at all chris .. and trying to saying that cause i don't get you're weird logic then i'm mafia .. rofl.




Two wrote:

for the last time, I don't win with town


you said you win with half the votes, that's what i pointed out.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
yes, that means I have to be alive with 1 other person in order to win
Mashley
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Joined September 2008
Mashley
Honestly what akrolsmir is saying does make sense. The first thread clearly said 'Every role in this game is going to refer to a character in a mafia game'. If you don't have a game to match your roleclaim is very hard to believe. It's entirely plausible that he's a standard SK who made the whole game names thing up to guarantee himself a win. I'm not saying we should try to lynch him now, as long as he kills who we say to kill he is worth having around and if he is telling the truth we would miss the lynch.
We have to lynch him eventually though. If he is really lynchproof, and the people who softclaimed didn't lie we are completely fucked. But since he's unwilling to back up his roleclaim, that seems unlikely.
Two_old
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Two_old
but there are no serial killers in the werewolf game
Chris_old
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Chris_old
except the fact that if he can kill based off softclaims that leaves it completely open that mafia can benefit off of it as well

and no we don't have to lynch him ever
Two_old
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Two_old
aw thx chris
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Two wrote:

aw thx chris
the way I see it is

1.) you help kill everybody off faster

2.) i'm invincible, you/mafia can't kill me

3.) 1:1 will be me + you assuming you really are bulletproof

town eliminates all mafia and you get 1:1

we both win
Two_old
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Two_old
if you're a tree stump you have no vote and would lose by default
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Two wrote:

if you're a tree stump you have no vote and would lose by default
I'm not

wojjan counted my vote remember
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
that's a really believable role then ..


well i don't really care about two as long as he helps town but eventually it'll hurt town since as i already said i actually don't think that there is more than 2 mafia in that list, maybe only 1,

it's not really nessesary that he softclaim cause it's right it can help mafia too, but how would he help town at all in case there is no more than 1 mafia in that list for example? ..

killing towns faster for a mafia win?. That's what i'm talking about him and i can't see how is that hard to understand it Chris .. maybe cause u want towns to die faster.
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Salvage wrote:

killing towns faster for a mafia win?. That's what i'm talking about him and i can't see how is that hard to understand it Chris .. maybe cause u want towns to die faster.
I want you all to die actually besides two
Backfire
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Joined February 2010
Backfire
You know, I dunno if you guys said this yet, but how many mafia are we supposedly looking at? 3 or 4?
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Two_old
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Two_old
5 probably
Salvage
590 posts
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Salvage
5 i guess.
Salvage
590 posts
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Salvage
ninja'd.
Two_old
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Two_old
far too slow
Chris_old
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Chris_old
no more than 6

6-22 seems fair but with two being a SK it probably is 5
Backfire
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Joined February 2010
Backfire
Huh.
Well...Whats say the possibility that all of you are mafia then? Theres really only 4 or 5 of you talking.
Im just examining, since sometimes, I get a little fishy feeling of all this talk of town auto winning. I mean, I don't NOT trust you but...theres still a possibility.
Backfire
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Backfire
I just think one of you is leading us all along while the others just agree.
Two_old
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Two_old
the possibility is nil

however, the probability that you are mafia for asking how many mafia there are is high
Salvage
590 posts
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Salvage
the same possibility of you being mafia too
Salvage
590 posts
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Salvage
DAMN YOU TWO STOP NINJA'NG ME
Backfire
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Backfire
I was asking because I only saw about 5 of you actively getting involved.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
ladysuburu salvage akrolsmir animask pieguy

imo

but with your last post maybe you instead of pieguy
Two_old
620 posts
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Two_old
yes salvage, mafia roleclaim roles that are confirmed by the host easily

a brilliant mind
Salvage
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Salvage
i didn't get that last thing u said two
Chris_old
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Chris_old
of course there is always the possibility of lilac/lybydose since they have posted 0
Two_old
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Two_old
I said that if I get the game wrong, wojjan will say in the thread that I am a serial killer

you know, as the penalty for getting it wrong

so tell me how that makes sense to claim as mafia
Backfire
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Backfire
Lilac hasn't posted in the forums for 3 days
Lybydose on the other hand, has been on a good bit.
Backfire
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Backfire
Wait wait, Lybydose posted 3 times here.
Two_old
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Two_old
each time as unremarkable as the last
Salvage
590 posts
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Salvage

Two wrote:

I said that if I get the game wrong, wojjan will say in the thread that I am a serial killer

you know, as the penalty for getting it wrong

so tell me how that makes sense to claim as mafia

oh, i never said you're mafia i think ..?
Two_old
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Two_old
I'd like for bmin and animask to weigh in
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Backfire wrote:

Wait wait, Lybydose posted 3 times here.
oh

I didn't even notice
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
I think we're focusing on Two a little Two much here.

Also, I read somewhere that stumps might need to roleclaim as stump first in order for their effect to work. Haven't
seen it around here before, but its possible. (What makes you think there could be a stump anyways?)

This makes me think that Two is actually a stump... or up to something as usual.

Does Two want us to soft-claim? At first he did, but for a different reason. This has probably been discussed in some form or another, but
Two is hiding a lot of information. I get the feeling he is trying to defend himself in some way. I doubt that this he is in the mafia that does DK instead of NK. So his role only seems questionable after the vig/SK part.

Actually, back to the stump part. I bet the mod is going to roleclaim Two as stump making him useless.
Two_old
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Two_old
I probably misread too as two
Salvage
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Salvage
i forgive you
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Also, more content, less posts? You guys take pages to talk about a single subject or barely anything at all. Missing the Mafia IRC chat?
Chris_old
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Chris_old
two roleclaim stump see if wojjan posts anything

you know what I change my mind shoot animask first
Salvage
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Salvage
about the stump thing two said it cause chris claiemd to be inmortal and that's what stumps are, how him being a stump would even make sense?
Two_old
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Two_old
I'd rather not roleclaim anything for fear of a mafia effect
Salvage
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Salvage
why trying to replace swift animask?
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder

Salvage wrote:

about the stump thing two said it cause chris claiemd to be inmortal and that's what stumps are, how him being a stump would even make sense?
Lynch-proof is similar to being a stump. They both can make you... lynchproof.
Two_old
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Two_old
obviously chris and I are both treestumps in the treestump cult, taken from host's poison game
Chris_old
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Chris_old
lol treestump cult

arsonist is in this game
Two_old
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Two_old
bmin11
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bmin11
You do realize Lilac is gone till D2 or something, right?

Right now, it's stupid to rolefish from a person we are not even close to lynch, because of the possibility of mafia advantaging from it. We will be gathering more info of Two's role as Day pases and more actions he does. Lynching Two right now wouldn't be really favourable (I think we have talked about this a lot already, right?)

Nothing stroke me heard when I was reading akro's ISO, but when he said "we know for a fact the mafia have fakeclaims" it makes me curious how he is accepting this as a fact when we could only go as far as just an assumption. Slip?

Lynches I'm okay with for D1: LS, Salvage, akro, NoHItter, Lyby

NoHItter's inactiveness worries me. This is unusual for NoHItter as I remember from previous games

Lyby: Same as NoHItter, unusually inactive
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir

bmin11 wrote:

Nothing stroke me heard when I was reading akro's ISO, but when he said "we know for a fact the mafia have fakeclaims" it makes me curious how he is accepting this as a fact when we could only go as far as just an assumption. Slip?

Wojjan wrote:

Those that I replace with different roles shall be given to the mafia as fakeclaims.
Two_old
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Two_old
why ever are you helping us akrolsmir
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
Because, as you see, I'm mafia that wins with town.
bmin11
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bmin11
Oh right. Thanks akro. Now I'm seriously FoSing people who have claimed since that would be an easy way to earn town points without much risks they would take. Well, not until we found out Two's role heh
Two_old
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Two_old
if you'd like to share details without full on roleclaiming (but in a more direct way than swiftwolf) we may consider not lynching you today
bmin11
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bmin11
As I said, my role is indeed from a role from games in this forum. The win condition is different from the game it is from, but the method it uses to use it's ability is the same. Most importantly, my role is town-aligned.

I think this is the safest I can every get.
Two_old
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Two_old
I didn't mean you but thx anyway
pieguyn
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pieguyn
o.o I'm not even sure what's going on.

Given Two he's obviously hiding something, but we have no way of figuring out exactly what it is. I propose at this point we just go on and if we reach a contradiction based on his information, we'll have more insight as to what his role actually is.
Rantai
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Rantai
This is so god damn obnoxious. Something about 3 Two's?

We have a clearly anti-town role looking for a bid to win through mutual interests, which don't actually favour us any more than an extra mislynch.

We have an invincible 'town' that wants to champion the whole game and half a roster of no opinions.

I'm going to address this right now;

Chris wrote:

the way I see it is

1.) you help kill everybody off faster

2.) i'm invincible, you/mafia can't kill me

3.) 1:1 will be me + you assuming you really are bulletproof

town eliminates all mafia and you get 1:1

we both win
No one knows what alignment you are. I don't care what you say, you are hardly confirmed. I'm not willing to bet the whole game on this giant festival of wifom. From my perspective you asking me to trust you on that is like me asking you to trust me on the exact same thing... see the problem there?

It's completely naive to think you're 100% guaranteed to be the last 2 standing. If just 2 mafia slip through the lynch/killing then you and Two are finished, they'll win by default. A 1:1 means Two wins by default. He's already stated he doesn't win with town and as far as I'm concerned, won't joint win.

What you put forward there is basically an excuse to have free reign in the killing of who you see fit (and if someone disagrees, bam votes and threats of shooting), regardless of alignment under the guise that you will champion this whole game yourself and everyone else is just a filler. I'm quite annoyed to see that no one is disagreeing with you at all, just going "Hmm I don't know, let's attack whoever they are to get on their good side!".

You two are also (or is it just Two, but right now I'm lumping you together for your extensive buddying) seem to be attempting to coerce people into claiming. Does no one see a problem with that at all?

Quite frankly I've had enough and just going to say that both of you are about as anti-town as you can publically get in my eyes. Go ahead and scumpaint me all you want now. I just don't care.

Vote: Chris

Convince me otherwise. Then again you probably won't try and attempt to get me killed.
Two_old
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Two_old
you can't lynch one invincible, might as well go for the other, right?

I have no qualms about lynching you over akrolsmir rantai, though it would sadden me a bit since you've put more into 1 post than all of his posts combined
Rantai
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Rantai

Two wrote:

you can't lynch one invincible, might as well go for the other, right?
I'd love to lynch you. But, unfortunately, you have some evidence of telling the truth so risking the lynch is not worth it. Right now I'm only comfortable with either of you simply because of how blatantly selfish and scummy (add on lacking integrity, trust) both your plays are at the moment.

I just don't see how it can be glossed over so easily. It's like an innate fear or something.
Two_old
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Two_old
selfish is silently picking off people

I am extending a hand. I want to work together ;)

chris was the only one who actually claimed something and it frankly doesn't matter if it's a lie since it's foolish to lynch someone who does that day 1
Rantai
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Rantai
Extend that to a mafia who has a safe claim. Add on a claimed unkillable role (weren't you the one who didn't believe bulletproof/NK proof claims in another game?) and that mafia have countermeasures so claiming at all is a risk in itself. What I see there is something fabricated as he cannot/doesn't need to verify it.

I understand your outwards intentions and just because it's you I am not completely disregarding it's trustworthiness (but I am 95% skeptical).
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
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KRZY
Chris are you lynchproof also?
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
I'm not sure about chris, but I'm still firmly convinced that Two wins with town- the fact that it is Two should give you more, not less reason to doubt the authenticity of his statements.

And the plan of having chris and Two win at the end was just so ridiculous that I didn't bother worrying about it. There are about a hundred different things that would likely go wrong before then, planning the entire game on day 1 based on a claim from Two makes no sense.
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