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Fine, instead if being a survivor, you win when you are the last one standing.
My point is that our apparent plan right now is to kill two people a day, your daykill and lynching.
You could pretend to be a survivor and kill town while flushing out and lynching mafia, then when the numbers get low, kill off the rest and win solo, unless you can point out why you can't do this?
You could pretend to be a survivor and kill town while flushing out and lynching mafia, then when the numbers get low, kill off the rest and win solo, unless you can point out why you can't do this?
I'm not pretending to be a survivor
I'm just suggesting we cooperate for a decent amount of time
I'm just suggesting we cooperate for a decent amount of time
...what
So you work with us to kill mafia, then, somehow stop cooperating to attempt to win when the mafia is gone, despite we knowing what your role does...ah.
Except we don't know what your role does, because you are hiding/lying stuff.
I...see?
So you work with us to kill mafia, then, somehow stop cooperating to attempt to win when the mafia is gone, despite we knowing what your role does...ah.
Except we don't know what your role does, because you are hiding/lying stuff.
I...see?
oh lord
I suggest you re-read the last 5 pages or so slowly
I suggest you re-read the last 5 pages or so slowly
So town can win with you standing?
Missed that part. But can you win with town standing? Or are you going to pull something else or ignore winning in the first place?
Missed that part. But can you win with town standing? Or are you going to pull something else or ignore winning in the first place?
I believe Two claimed that he wins by controlling at least 50% of the votes, thus he wins by being left with one other person, or being the last man standing.
Putting a post together, 1sec
Putting a post together, 1sec
If I'm getting Two's roleclaim right, it's that he may choose to kill to get lynch immunity.
If he guesses wrongly though, he'll be revealed to be SK?
I don't think Two can win with town.
Mod: What is exactly Town's winning condition?
Is it eliminating all anti-town? My role doesn't say anything but does have "Town" in the role name.
As for the next lynch candidate, I would really prefer LadySuburu, but if Two would kill LS tomorrow then I'm fine with that.
Also can someone explain to me exactly why you guys are voting akro?
If he guesses wrongly though, he'll be revealed to be SK?
I don't think Two can win with town.
Mod: What is exactly Town's winning condition?
Is it eliminating all anti-town? My role doesn't say anything but does have "Town" in the role name.
As for the next lynch candidate, I would really prefer LadySuburu, but if Two would kill LS tomorrow then I'm fine with that.
Also can someone explain to me exactly why you guys are voting akro?
OK hold on let me get this straight, is the plan to let Two attempt to kill everyone who has claimed a game?
Sorry, I had to blast through this thread and all the Two conversation has turned into a huge confusing blur. And I'm tired.
Sorry, I had to blast through this thread and all the Two conversation has turned into a huge confusing blur. And I'm tired.
From what I gather;
We have 7 claims, he will systematically shoot them in order of most perceived scummy. If they told the truth, they're dead and he gains immunity. If they lied then it's down to wifom, did they lie about their game to stay out of heat as a town or did they lie to stay out of heat as a mafia.
In this case it is proposed that we lynch the liar. Assuming 3 deaths per day we can only do this 6 times before game over, which is my gripe here.
Did I miss anything?
We have 7 claims, he will systematically shoot them in order of most perceived scummy. If they told the truth, they're dead and he gains immunity. If they lied then it's down to wifom, did they lie about their game to stay out of heat as a town or did they lie to stay out of heat as a mafia.
In this case it is proposed that we lynch the liar. Assuming 3 deaths per day we can only do this 6 times before game over, which is my gripe here.
Did I miss anything?
i'm fine with it .. i just want to point out we'll have to rethink Two's situation in a few days cause i don't believe he can win with us
unless you give us your game two
like your real game so we can understand where the hell that role came from
unless you give us your game two
like your real game so we can understand where the hell that role came from
no thats exactly how it worksRantai wrote:
From what I gather;
We have 7 claims, he will systematically shoot them in order of most perceived scummy. If they told the truth, they're dead and he gains immunity. If they lied then it's down to wifom, did they lie about their game to stay out of heat as a town or did they lie to stay out of heat as a mafia.
In this case it is proposed that we lynch the liar. Assuming 3 deaths per day we can only do this 6 times before game over, which is my gripe here.
Did I miss anything?
mafia can't win
Mafia can potentially win if it's just Two and a mafia left. Probably unlikely but possible.
If Two can joint win with town then I don't particularly care if he is alive or not as it doesn't affect our win condition (this isn't clarified fully as far as I am concerned).
We'll be in quite a bit of trouble if every single claimer was a townie. Afterthought.
(What is it, 21 - 7 claimed. 14 unclaimed, 6 potential lynches, 6 potential night kills, 2 untouched)
If Two can joint win with town then I don't particularly care if he is alive or not as it doesn't affect our win condition (this isn't clarified fully as far as I am concerned).
We'll be in quite a bit of trouble if every single claimer was a townie. Afterthought.
(What is it, 21 - 7 claimed. 14 unclaimed, 6 potential lynches, 6 potential night kills, 2 untouched)
22 7 claimed - 1 cause swiftwolf
21* 6 claimed 14 unclaimed 2 kills per day lynch/shot + nightkill
21* 6 claimed 14 unclaimed 2 kills per day lynch/shot + nightkill
SPOILER
21 currently alive.
7 alive claims. (oh wait Two is one of them, ok 6 then)
6 lynches remaining assuming 3 deaths per day (21 --> 19 (lyn/NK) --> 16 --> 13 --> 10 --> 7 --> 4 (ly-lo))
Of those 4, 1 is Two, 1 potential mafia (2 impossible, auto mafia win) and the rest town.
7 alive claims. (oh wait Two is one of them, ok 6 then)
6 lynches remaining assuming 3 deaths per day (21 --> 19 (lyn/NK) --> 16 --> 13 --> 10 --> 7 --> 4 (ly-lo))
Of those 4, 1 is Two, 1 potential mafia (2 impossible, auto mafia win) and the rest town.
This was purely for my visual conceptualisation. Hmm.
I propose that by the time we get to the last 4 we have no claimed people alive. This'll negate the situation where Two cannot with with town (he'll need to take a lucky shot OR, if he's trustable by then we simply don't lynch him). If that works out then I have less of a problem with this.
Actually no, if there is a mafia alive, we'd have to have no claims by 7 people.
fyi either I missed it or we still don't have a votecount nor time before Night.
God Mod: Votecount + Time left?
inb4 scum has a role to mask this
inb4 scum has a role to mask this
Topic Starter
akrolsmir - 4 (Chris, Two, Salvage, animask)
Salvage - 1 (Backfire)
Chris - 1 (LadySuburu)
LadySuburu - 1 (Ivalset)
pieguy1372 - 1 (adam2046)
Salvage - 1 (Backfire)
Chris - 1 (LadySuburu)
LadySuburu - 1 (Ivalset)
pieguy1372 - 1 (adam2046)
so can the rest of the mafia vote for akrolsmir so this day can be over
I unvoted Salvage, Wojjan.
Well ok, Unvote.
Well ok, Unvote.
did everyone give up already or something
I mean I know it's impossible for mafia to win but you shouldn't quit d1
it might turn around somehow
I mean I know it's impossible for mafia to win but you shouldn't quit d1
it might turn around somehow
Two, what game are you from? None of The Werewolf Game roles fit what you're currently claiming to have.
Why are you so sensitive omg. You aren't doing much more helpful then a lurker if you keep on complaing over people reading the thread. Make you own thoughts if you think the thread isn't moving fast enough.
I'm going to read what akro has said before voting. Untill then, no votes from me.
I'm going to read what akro has said before voting. Untill then, no votes from me.
according to ladysuburu salvage and akrolsmir, mafia have an ability similar to mine
thats why I called salvage mafia
it's pretty obvious
it's pretty obvious
akrolsmir wrote:
Two, what game are you from? None of The Werewolf Game roles fit what you're currently claiming to have.
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Er, what?Two wrote:
according to ladysuburu salvage and akrolsmir, mafia have an ability similar to mine
your confusion only reinforces my suspicions
it also lets me know that you guys either don't have daychat or are horrible
it also lets me know that you guys either don't have daychat or are horrible
maybe that means they will be more organized d2 and have a story to stick withTwo wrote:
your confusion only reinforces my suspicions
it also lets me know that you guys either don't have daychat or are horrible
Stop ignoring parts of posts that are inconvenient to you.
I'd also be much obliged if you could actually explain your arguments rather than have us take your word as fact. Why are you so reluctant to have us understand your thought process?
I'd also be much obliged if you could actually explain your arguments rather than have us take your word as fact. Why are you so reluctant to have us understand your thought process?
I thought it was obvious he meant you're mafia with the power to kill off softclaimsakrolsmir wrote:
Stop ignoring parts of posts that are inconvenient to you.
I'd also be much obliged if you could actually explain your arguments rather than have us take your word as fact. Why are you so reluctant to have us understand your thought process?
thats why you and salvage and ladysuburu are so for giving up game names
there was nothing unclear about what I said
all 3 of you (ladysuburu, salvage, akrolsmir) were game fishing
I can only imagine that you have a way to get around my bulletproof through knowing my game name, and want to make sure I didn't lie about it before using it (it could have a negative effect like my role)
all 3 of you (ladysuburu, salvage, akrolsmir) were game fishing
I can only imagine that you have a way to get around my bulletproof through knowing my game name, and want to make sure I didn't lie about it before using it (it could have a negative effect like my role)
Okay, thank you very much. That wasn't so hard, was it?
Now, unless someone can remember a game which had a day serial killer, it should be patently obvious that Two is lying about his role.
Now, unless someone can remember a game which had a day serial killer, it should be patently obvious that Two is lying about his role.
lol @ you still trying to dig up games with serial killers subtlyakrolsmir wrote:
Okay, thank you very much. That wasn't so hard, was it?
Now, unless someone can remember a game which had a day serial killer, it should be patently obvious that Two is lying about his role.
no not gonna help you sorry
Who knows. Some kind of day vig. You haven't shown us any proof of needing to know the game of a person to gain lynchproof, or anything.
@chris- The point was just to disprove Two's insane roleclaim.
@chris- The point was just to disprove Two's insane roleclaim.
considering my role I really doubt his claim is fake
i'd suggest you to read my post when i asked two about his game chris .. cause idk how you know he can win with town (no sk can win with half the votes as far as i know)
plus i hardly doubt there are much mafia members in that list .. 1 or 2 max i think, and it's more probabble that he hits town (x2 town deaths 1 day .. maybe 3 if misslynch), on the long run that won't help town and you're encouraging it too much .. why is it?
plus i hardly doubt there are much mafia members in that list .. 1 or 2 max i think, and it's more probabble that he hits town (x2 town deaths 1 day .. maybe 3 if misslynch), on the long run that won't help town and you're encouraging it too much .. why is it?
cause it's impossible for mafia to win using this strategySalvage wrote:
on the long run that won't help town and you're encouraging it too much .. why is it?
duh
but you wouldn't understand how that is due to the fact mafia don't have to comprehend whats being said in the game
yeah you're not making sense at all chris .. and trying to saying that cause i don't get you're weird logic then i'm mafia .. rofl.
you said you win with half the votes, that's what i pointed out.
Two wrote:
for the last time, I don't win with town
you said you win with half the votes, that's what i pointed out.
yes, that means I have to be alive with 1 other person in order to win
Honestly what akrolsmir is saying does make sense. The first thread clearly said 'Every role in this game is going to refer to a character in a mafia game'. If you don't have a game to match your roleclaim is very hard to believe. It's entirely plausible that he's a standard SK who made the whole game names thing up to guarantee himself a win. I'm not saying we should try to lynch him now, as long as he kills who we say to kill he is worth having around and if he is telling the truth we would miss the lynch.
We have to lynch him eventually though. If he is really lynchproof, and the people who softclaimed didn't lie we are completely fucked. But since he's unwilling to back up his roleclaim, that seems unlikely.
We have to lynch him eventually though. If he is really lynchproof, and the people who softclaimed didn't lie we are completely fucked. But since he's unwilling to back up his roleclaim, that seems unlikely.
except the fact that if he can kill based off softclaims that leaves it completely open that mafia can benefit off of it as well
and no we don't have to lynch him ever
and no we don't have to lynch him ever
the way I see it isTwo wrote:
aw thx chris
1.) you help kill everybody off faster
2.) i'm invincible, you/mafia can't kill me
3.) 1:1 will be me + you assuming you really are bulletproof
town eliminates all mafia and you get 1:1
we both win
if you're a tree stump you have no vote and would lose by default
I'm notTwo wrote:
if you're a tree stump you have no vote and would lose by default
wojjan counted my vote remember
that's a really believable role then ..
well i don't really care about two as long as he helps town but eventually it'll hurt town since as i already said i actually don't think that there is more than 2 mafia in that list, maybe only 1,
it's not really nessesary that he softclaim cause it's right it can help mafia too, but how would he help town at all in case there is no more than 1 mafia in that list for example? ..
killing towns faster for a mafia win?. That's what i'm talking about him and i can't see how is that hard to understand it Chris .. maybe cause u want towns to die faster.
well i don't really care about two as long as he helps town but eventually it'll hurt town since as i already said i actually don't think that there is more than 2 mafia in that list, maybe only 1,
it's not really nessesary that he softclaim cause it's right it can help mafia too, but how would he help town at all in case there is no more than 1 mafia in that list for example? ..
killing towns faster for a mafia win?. That's what i'm talking about him and i can't see how is that hard to understand it Chris .. maybe cause u want towns to die faster.
I want you all to die actually besides twoSalvage wrote:
killing towns faster for a mafia win?. That's what i'm talking about him and i can't see how is that hard to understand it Chris .. maybe cause u want towns to die faster.
You know, I dunno if you guys said this yet, but how many mafia are we supposedly looking at? 3 or 4?
no more than 6
6-22 seems fair but with two being a SK it probably is 5
6-22 seems fair but with two being a SK it probably is 5
Huh.
Well...Whats say the possibility that all of you are mafia then? Theres really only 4 or 5 of you talking.
Im just examining, since sometimes, I get a little fishy feeling of all this talk of town auto winning. I mean, I don't NOT trust you but...theres still a possibility.
Well...Whats say the possibility that all of you are mafia then? Theres really only 4 or 5 of you talking.
Im just examining, since sometimes, I get a little fishy feeling of all this talk of town auto winning. I mean, I don't NOT trust you but...theres still a possibility.
I just think one of you is leading us all along while the others just agree.
the possibility is nil
however, the probability that you are mafia for asking how many mafia there are is high
however, the probability that you are mafia for asking how many mafia there are is high
I was asking because I only saw about 5 of you actively getting involved.
ladysuburu salvage akrolsmir animask pieguy
imo
but with your last post maybe you instead of pieguy
imo
but with your last post maybe you instead of pieguy
yes salvage, mafia roleclaim roles that are confirmed by the host easily
a brilliant mind
a brilliant mind
of course there is always the possibility of lilac/lybydose since they have posted 0
I said that if I get the game wrong, wojjan will say in the thread that I am a serial killer
you know, as the penalty for getting it wrong
so tell me how that makes sense to claim as mafia
you know, as the penalty for getting it wrong
so tell me how that makes sense to claim as mafia
Lilac hasn't posted in the forums for 3 days
Lybydose on the other hand, has been on a good bit.
Lybydose on the other hand, has been on a good bit.
Wait wait, Lybydose posted 3 times here.
Two wrote:
I said that if I get the game wrong, wojjan will say in the thread that I am a serial killer
you know, as the penalty for getting it wrong
so tell me how that makes sense to claim as mafia
oh, i never said you're mafia i think ..?
ohBackfire wrote:
Wait wait, Lybydose posted 3 times here.
I didn't even notice
I think we're focusing on Two a little Two much here.
Also, I read somewhere that stumps might need to roleclaim as stump first in order for their effect to work. Haven't
seen it around here before, but its possible. (What makes you think there could be a stump anyways?)
This makes me think that Two is actually a stump... or up to something as usual.
Does Two want us to soft-claim? At first he did, but for a different reason. This has probably been discussed in some form or another, but
Two is hiding a lot of information. I get the feeling he is trying to defend himself in some way. I doubt that this he is in the mafia that does DK instead of NK. So his role only seems questionable after the vig/SK part.
Actually, back to the stump part. I bet the mod is going to roleclaim Two as stump making him useless.
Also, I read somewhere that stumps might need to roleclaim as stump first in order for their effect to work. Haven't
seen it around here before, but its possible. (What makes you think there could be a stump anyways?)
This makes me think that Two is actually a stump... or up to something as usual.
Does Two want us to soft-claim? At first he did, but for a different reason. This has probably been discussed in some form or another, but
Two is hiding a lot of information. I get the feeling he is trying to defend himself in some way. I doubt that this he is in the mafia that does DK instead of NK. So his role only seems questionable after the vig/SK part.
Actually, back to the stump part. I bet the mod is going to roleclaim Two as stump making him useless.
Also, more content, less posts? You guys take pages to talk about a single subject or barely anything at all. Missing the Mafia IRC chat?
two roleclaim stump see if wojjan posts anything
you know what I change my mind shoot animask first
you know what I change my mind shoot animask first
about the stump thing two said it cause chris claiemd to be inmortal and that's what stumps are, how him being a stump would even make sense?
I'd rather not roleclaim anything for fear of a mafia effect
Lynch-proof is similar to being a stump. They both can make you... lynchproof.Salvage wrote:
about the stump thing two said it cause chris claiemd to be inmortal and that's what stumps are, how him being a stump would even make sense?
obviously chris and I are both treestumps in the treestump cult, taken from host's poison game
You do realize Lilac is gone till D2 or something, right?
Right now, it's stupid to rolefish from a person we are not even close to lynch, because of the possibility of mafia advantaging from it. We will be gathering more info of Two's role as Day pases and more actions he does. Lynching Two right now wouldn't be really favourable (I think we have talked about this a lot already, right?)
Nothing stroke me heard when I was reading akro's ISO, but when he said "we know for a fact the mafia have fakeclaims" it makes me curious how he is accepting this as a fact when we could only go as far as just an assumption. Slip?
Lynches I'm okay with for D1: LS, Salvage, akro, NoHItter, Lyby
NoHItter's inactiveness worries me. This is unusual for NoHItter as I remember from previous games
Lyby: Same as NoHItter, unusually inactive
Right now, it's stupid to rolefish from a person we are not even close to lynch, because of the possibility of mafia advantaging from it. We will be gathering more info of Two's role as Day pases and more actions he does. Lynching Two right now wouldn't be really favourable (I think we have talked about this a lot already, right?)
Nothing stroke me heard when I was reading akro's ISO, but when he said "we know for a fact the mafia have fakeclaims" it makes me curious how he is accepting this as a fact when we could only go as far as just an assumption. Slip?
Lynches I'm okay with for D1: LS, Salvage, akro, NoHItter, Lyby
NoHItter's inactiveness worries me. This is unusual for NoHItter as I remember from previous games
Lyby: Same as NoHItter, unusually inactive
bmin11 wrote:
Nothing stroke me heard when I was reading akro's ISO, but when he said "we know for a fact the mafia have fakeclaims" it makes me curious how he is accepting this as a fact when we could only go as far as just an assumption. Slip?
Wojjan wrote:
Those that I replace with different roles shall be given to the mafia as fakeclaims.
Because, as you see, I'm mafia that wins with town.
Oh right. Thanks akro. Now I'm seriously FoSing people who have claimed since that would be an easy way to earn town points without much risks they would take. Well, not until we found out Two's role heh