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Two_old
oh stfu with your hints

even as a spectator they're enragingly pointless
Two_old
that's mean chris :(
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Salvage: RVs are obviously easy to do, to be honest. Anyone can simply make a RV and put pressure on people.

Too bad that strategy doesn't work on me. :P
Salvage
it's not RV, and i don't mind pressuring you cause you already claimed mafia to me.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Two: I'm a bastard when I do things. Keep that in mind.

(No, I don't think I'm as evil as LS and his bastard mods, but I could be)
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Salvage: You're so clever. My first post might've been a slip, but that's because I didn't think the URL on the role PM linked to the game it came from, but rather, to the MS wiki explaining what it is.
LadySuburu

Chris wrote:

the fact you and LS are so desperate to have everyone softclaim is what I don't get when it could screw town and you can't even explain how it's useful at all
So, how exactally am I desperate?

Things I have done in relation to the softclaim strategy:

1. Softclaim.

2. Attack you for your arguments against me (which relate to the softclaim strategy), most of which contain some form of scumpainting.


Oh, and nice try again with painting me. Though, it's getting a little old.
Chris_old
I guess there isn't too many ways to word mafia is there swiftwolf
Chris_old

LadySuburu wrote:

Chris wrote:

the fact you and LS are so desperate to have everyone softclaim is what I don't get when it could screw town and you can't even explain how it's useful at all
So, how exactally am I desperate?

Things I have done in relation to the softclaim strategy:

1. Softclaim.

2. Attack you for your arguments against me (which relate to the softclaim strategy), most of which contain some form of scumpainting.


Oh, and nice try again with painting me. Though, it's getting a little old.
scumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaint

do you have anything else to say or are you stuck on how to show softclaiming helps anything
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Nice table stretch, Chris. >_>

I think you're both trying to separate from each other, by the looks of it. You're BOTH on the same topic, so why don't you look elsewhere?
foulcoon
Hi guys.

I'm from Mafia Game which under further investigation is absolutely the game that Two hosted.

I'm a role directly from that game.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
..Wow. That game brings back memories.


...Dunno why I'm being nostalgic right now.
Chris_old
cause it's an easy way to divert discussion imo

the only reason I haven't voted for you is cause you didn't actually softclaim
foulcoon
stickied
Sleep Powder
Vote: Salvage

So many pages in 1 hour... things just got serious.

My role is from the Werewolf Returns Game.
Salvage
what are you talking about swift



are you saying we should quit the topic of you roleclaiming mafia? ..



unvote; vote Swiftwolf Yellowtail
LadySuburu

Chris wrote:

scumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaint

do you have anything else to say or are you stuck on how to show softclaiming helps anything
I would say something else, but you keep doing it.

Also, revealing that information right now completely nullifies the chance for it to help (based on what I believe we can find out.)
Two_old
Two: The Werewolf Game
Mashley: Mafia Under The Sea
Luna: Sane Mafia 2
LadySuburu: Team Fortress 2 Mafia
Salvage: Death Note Mafia
foulcoon: Mafia Game (Two)
animask: Werewolves Return
Chris: mafia
Swiftwolf Yellowtail: mafia
Backfire: ???
0_o: ???
Ivalset: ???
Lybydose: ???
JInxyjem: ???
pieguy1372: ???
bmin11: ???
NoHItter: ???
adam2046: ???
Rantai: ???
KRZY: ???
Lilac: ???
akrolsmr: ???
Chris_old
yeah that sounds like bs LS

not to mention if anyone fake claimed you wouldn't be able to tell ever

you said yourself you aren't even a role from your game, but just based on the game itself

LadySuburu wrote:

Yeah, this softclaim may work, assuming Wojjan didn't have enough foresight to see this.

My role is from Team Fortress 2 Mafia.

LadySuburu wrote:

The character I am is from the game, the role itself is not a copy of the role from the game.
LadySuburu

Chris wrote:

not to mention if anyone fake claimed you wouldn't be able to tell ever
I disagree.
Chris_old
LS is TF2 spy

calling it now
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
You guys are all so clever. I'm actually saddened that none of you even bothered to figure it out yet. LS should know what I'm talking about, 'cause he hosted my first game.
Two_old
if you think I'm going to do work to figure out something you could spend 2 seconds typing to us you are insane
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
I don't give my role away instantly, you should know that. I did that in YOUR game, for cryin' out loud! You SHOULD know that!
Luna

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

I don't give my role away instantly, you should know that. I did that in YOUR game, for cryin' out loud! You SHOULD know that!
So you are implying that your game instanly tells us your role?
Interesting.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
No, but I'm pretty sure someone will do it for me if none of you can figure it out.
Salvage
oh god
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Figured something out, Salvage?
Chris_old

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Figured something out, Salvage?
why would him figuring something out make him say oh god unless it was negative
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Actually, it is negative. To you and Two.
Salvage
i don't like to hurt people's feelings so i'll leave it at "oh god".
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Well, the only feeling you're hurting right now is yours, from what I can tell.
Chris_old
unvote vote swiftwolf

kill him please so something bad doesn't happen to me

thanks
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
OMGUS vote, much?
Salvage
this game is making me laugh hard at work near a lot of people that doesn't understand why i laugh.
Chris_old
you just said your role is something negative towards me

am I supposed to embrace that or something
Topic Starter
Wojjan
HOLD YOUR SHIt, IT'S EVENT TIME
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Actually, your (well, Two's, to be honest) findings about me are incorrect.

One final hint: These are the people that are playing in this game that were in my game (including the host, if possible):

LadySuburu
Faceman
animask
(for replacement [and played]) foulcoon
NoHItter

This is also in no particular order.
Salvage
what findings are u talking about, you clearly said that you're role it's negative to chris and two.



is that another slip?
Salvage
just to let it clear, stop that hint bs pls.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Okay, so apparently, hinting is a bastard mod, a common theme LadySuburu uses with his mods.

The game I speak of: Less Experimental Mafia 1, the prequel to my first mafia game.
Topic Starter
Wojjan


SWIFTWOLF YELLOWTAIL IS DEAD, AND OUT OF THE GAME. He was the Relay Mason from Less Experimental Mafia. After his town's triumph over the mafia, he was able to unite with his loving sister. They embraced, and ended up in this predicament together. Each night, they could chat privately about anything they pleased. They were both entirely confirmed of their being town.
Chris_old
was that a modkill or something

is the day over
Topic Starter
Wojjan
The day continues. This was the activation of a day power.
Chris_old
ok so someone killed swiftwolf or his sister absorbed him to gain a night ability

maybe
Salvage
why vigilante kill without saying it to confirm you .. don't really get it
Salvage
unless you have more than 1 shot .. idk


the kill was a relief tho.
Two_old
well this might bite me in the ass eventually so I might as well just tell you now that I killed swiftwolf

I am a one shot conditional vigilante who gains lynchproof and bulletproof upon success

I just needed a game name to do it, and you can lynch me if you want to confirm it

vote Two

oh and you can nightkill me too ;)

(if I got the game wrong I would have died)
Chris_old
yeah ok

vote: LadySuburu
Salvage
vote: bmin11
Chris_old
also I just want to point out that I think LadySuburu was the only one who actually defended Two's reasoning for wanting a mass softclaim and yet his actual reasoning was only to get a vigilante shot

seems interestingly enough like a perfect opportunity to get confirmed town in two's eyes by acting like they knew what he was talking about
bmin11
o_o so it wasn't a mod kill. Someone seriously took Chris's words to kill. It was a terrible move, but it's pointless to argue now.

Oh and not claiming because I'm not clear what we can possibly gain from this mass soft claims. It's also hard how to distinguish between town and mafia since mafia would just simply lie and there's no way to confirm, unlike normal mass claim. What we are also not clear of is roles who could possibly gain from this type of information. Even mafia could possibly take an advantage over this info considering how Wojjan pointed that there will be a counter measure for mass claiming (we are not sure if soft claim is a safe range).
Chris_old
also what Two said might actually be the anti-mass claim measure that Wojjan put in
bmin11
Oh great, a vigilante that requires a game type. It isn't necessarily an anti-town, but this could mean there is a possibility of roles gaining from these soft claims.


and why are you voting for me, Salvage? I'll be really disappointed if you are soley voting because I was reading the thread.
Two_old
chris please explain to me why I would kill someone to gain lynchproof alone

or are you saying mafia members need bulletproof?

I am already lynchproof without abilities, I don't need to kill someone to get that
Chris_old

Two wrote:

chris please explain to me why I would kill someone to gain lynchproof alone

or are you saying mafia members need bulletproof?

I am already lynchproof without abilities, I don't need to kill someone to get that

Two wrote:

I am a one shot conditional vigilante who gains lynchproof and bulletproof upon success
??
Two_old

Two wrote:

or are you saying mafia members need bulletproof?
Chris_old

Two wrote:

Two wrote:

or are you saying mafia members need bulletproof?
side effect of the mass claim

how should I know? there could be a reason

or you could be lying
foulcoon

Two wrote:

well this might bite me in the ass eventually so I might as well just tell you now that I killed swiftwolf

I am a one shot conditional vigilante who gains lynchproof and bulletproof upon success

I just needed a game name to do it, and you can lynch me if you want to confirm it

vote Two

oh and you can nightkill me too ;)

(if I got the game wrong I would have died)
So you lied about the game you're from then? because there's no way that role is from The Werewolf Game.

I have a hard time believing that role is from any game, but feel free to prove me wrong.
Two_old
why would I have to prove you wrong

you can do it yourself by putting me at majority
Chris_old

Two wrote:

why would I have to prove you wrong

you can do it yourself by putting me at majority
being lynchproof could be a side effect of the mass claim like I said

it's possible you gained it after everyone claimed

just because you say it was from you shooting swiftwolf doesn't mean anything

also what exactly was your roleplay reason for getting bulletproof/lynchproof anyways? as far as I can see everything in this game comes with a story
Two_old
I'd rather not really invoke whatever counterclaim measures wojjan instated for mafia

so I won't be revealing anything else about my role
Chris_old

Two wrote:

I'd rather not really invoke whatever counterclaim measures wojjan instated for mafia

so I won't be revealing anything else about my role
what a cop out

explain how you got the lynchproof/bulletproof story wise

thanks
Two_old
I already declined

what a woman
Chris_old

Two wrote:

I already declined

what a woman
can't come up with anything I assume

you didn't seem so worried about everyone softclaiming yet you think a little story is going to activate whatever it is?
Chris_old
also lol, the thing says that swiftwolf felt a familiar sense of dread after being killed by mafia

then twos like oya I killed him

that's a really big stretch though I wont act like it isn't

trump card though does that = jester?

it'd explain why two wants us to prove he's lynchproof so bad
Salvage

bmin11 wrote:

and why are you voting for me, Salvage? I'll be really disappointed if you are soley voting because I was reading the thread.


i did .. you were reading the thread from like several pages and didn't comment anything, i wanted to see you post.


also i have to go now .. back in like 6 hours or so i guess.



unvote
0_o
Keep in mind that the mafia DID get safeclaims. I'm pretty sure we're not gonna be able to figure much out by softclaiming as the mafia has a whole list of roles that won't coincide with any of the town's.
0_o

Chris wrote:

trump card though does that = jester?
Wojjan said there were no cults nor jesters this game.
Two_old

0_o wrote:

Keep in mind that the mafia DID get safeclaims. I'm pretty sure we're not gonna be able to figure much out by softclaiming as the mafia has a whole list of roles that won't coincide with any of the town's.
why did you go along with it if you felt that way
bmin11
I think I can see how Two's claim and the death scene matches up, but I won't say it since there is a possibility of mafia gaining from + Two just doesn't want to reveal for good reason I can't think of yet. All I would say is, I'm going to believe Two's claim.
bmin11

Two wrote:

0_o wrote:

Keep in mind that the mafia DID get safeclaims. I'm pretty sure we're not gonna be able to figure much out by softclaiming as the mafia has a whole list of roles that won't coincide with any of the town's.
why did you go along with it if you felt that way
I don't believe 0_o claimed anything?
Two_old
oh, I think I confused him with foulcoon

anyway just for fun this was the role I was going to lie about having:

roleclaim: magic treestump (not my role name)

basically if I carve someone's initials (game name) into myself (and it's correct), I get an ability

odd days: lynchproof and bulletproof
even days: lynchproof
bmin11
How is that from Werewolf game??? Are you giving out a fake fake roleclaim now
LadySuburu

Chris wrote:

also I just want to point out that I think LadySuburu was the only one who actually defended Two's reasoning for wanting a mass softclaim and yet his actual reasoning was only to get a vigilante shot

seems interestingly enough like a perfect opportunity to get confirmed town in two's eyes by acting like they knew what he was talking about
Defending or not defending a gambit does not really influence if one is or is not town.

A scum can argue against another scum's plan in thread to distance and look town when it helps them.

A town can argue for a scum's plan when the plan looks like it will benefit town.

and other similar situations.


However, I really don't feel like arguing with you, because it feels like when I argued with two in the past. Not fun, and neither one of us is going to see it the other's way.

At this point though, regardless of two's alignment no more softclaims.
Two_old
um based on my role, I didn't think other roles were closely tied to their game in functionality

but I guess yours is?
bmin11

Two wrote:

um based on my role, I didn't think other roles were closely tied to their game in functionality

but I guess yours is?
Somewhat. It has a different win condition and ability, but the method is the same. But your role seems far far away from having any connection with Werewolf.

LadySuburu wrote:

Defending or not defending a gambit does not really influence if one is or is not town.

A scum can argue against another scum's plan in thread to distance and look town when it helps them.

A town can argue for a scum's plan when the plan looks like it will benefit town.

and other similar situations.


However, I really don't feel like arguing with you, because it feels like when I argued with two in the past. Not fun, and neither one of us is going to see it the other's way.

At this point though, regardless of two's alignment no more softclaims.
You do realize mafia wouldn't suggest a plan they wouldn't advantage from, nor there will be a townie who would agree on a plan that would hurt town. We clearly stated there's nothing much to gain from the information and the risk of other alignment gaining from it was high. You, however, covered up by saying "it's a necessary risk to take for town". What's funny is now you disclose the plan after Two claiming the plan was just for his benefit and multiple people (Chris, me, and 0_o) disagreed to the plan. You shouldn't have gave up with the plan just because of these reasons since the plan itself does not get influenced from whatever is happening right now. For example, why did you think the plan was okay when only Chris was disagreeing to it and now you think the plan is wrong because others have opposed? There aren't any elements that would effect the outcome of the plan.

Vote: LS
Two_old
I suggest you lynch me for verification and then lynch lilac

lynching ladysuburu would just be a bad move at this point
LadySuburu

bmin11 wrote:

You do realize mafia wouldn't suggest a plan they wouldn't advantage from, nor there will be a townie who would agree on a plan that would hurt town. We clearly stated there's nothing much to gain from the information and the risk of other alignment gaining from it was high. You, however, covered up by saying "it's a necessary risk to take for town". What's funny is now you disclose the plan after Two claiming the plan was just for his benefit and multiple people (Chris, me, and 0_o) disagreed to the plan. You shouldn't have gave up with the plan just because of these reasons since the plan itself does not get influenced from whatever is happening right now. For example, why did you think the plan was okay when only Chris was disagreeing to it and now you think the plan is wrong because others have opposed? There aren't any elements that would effect the outcome of the plan.

Vote: LS
Elements that effect the outcome of the plan:

At least one role has used an action based on a softclaim. Additional softclaims are now likely to hurt the town, in addition to the ones already claimed likely having hurt the town.

The plan did have a benefit, that being that I see certain games that could be claimed as not being used here for multiple reasons.


Also, you're oddly aggressive.

Since I'm about to get skyrim and don't mind getting lynched for speaking everything I'm thinking this time around, I'm going to do so.


Meta: I'm more quiet and withdrawn as scum, except when I get in a safe spot. As town I'm quiet until I have something to work on, which usually doesn't come until at least D2.


Also, I never said "It's a necessary risk to take for town", I stated that I belived we had something to gain from it, and that it was a risk I was willing to take. I also never once told anyone else to softclaim, the only things I've done in relation to the plan is to softclaim myself, and argue with chris.

HoS: bmin.


@two: What would the benefit of lynching you be? I'm not certain if the lynch attempt will end the day or not, and if it does, that's a huge waste.
Two_old
well I assumed it wouldn't end the day

I don't care either way, ultimately
pieguyn
I just read the thread and what the hell

This seems as insane as Paska mafia, but in a good way. o.o Anyway, I think Chris is suspicious, but it's mostly a gut feeling. I'm also somewhat suspicious of the people who haven't posted anything at all yet.

Two obviously just wanted a vigilante kill, and given my role I'm inclined to believe that roles aren't necessarily from the game they were from. However, that anti-claim measure was to benefit mafia, so I'm not exactly sure what to think. LS stated that it would benefit town, and I can't say I disagree, but I'm a bit cautious especially after seeing what Two did, as the mafia could have something similar...

Chris seemed, however, to constantly misinterpret everyone's posts. I think that's kind of suspicious because the mafia wants to mislead people. I'm also suspicious of bmin because he said that a mafia wouldn't propose a plan that helps town. When I was mafia in Two's game, I essentially did the exact same thing I would have done if I was town, which would include proposing a plan that helps town, though ultimately I lost D7 (but I got a lot farther than I thought I would, it was fun xD).

I'm also suspicious of the people who haven't posted yet. I can immediately point out Ivalset, Lyby, Jinxy, and I forgot if Rantai posted or not :? There's probably others I forgot too...

By the way, I'd assume it would end the day but the person with the second-most votes gets lynched instead. mod: If a lynchproof person reaches majority, will that end the day?
Topic Starter
Wojjan
Bringing a lynchproof to majority shall end the day.
Chris_old
I guess pieguy is mafia #2
Two_old
an easy strategy in large games as mafia is to just sit back and let everyone tear each other apart
Chris_old
1. Backfire
2. 0_o
3. LadySuburu
4. Ivalset
5. foulcoon
6. Lybydose
7. Salvage
8. JInxyjem
9. Chris
10. pieguy1372
11. bmin11
12. NoHItter
13. adam2046
14. Swiftwolf Yellowtail
15. Rantai
16. KRZY
17. Two
18. Lilac
19. Luna
20. Mashley
21. akrolsmr
22. animask

I've seen mashley lurking all day


@mod

can you edit one of the first posts and do the whole dead/alive thing please
pieguyn
Oh wow, it does end the day. Trying to lynch Two would be a bad idea then.

Mashley posted at the start of today but I don't think he's posted after that. If what you said is true, Chris then that would be quite suspicious, maybe even more so than the people who haven't posted :?
Two_old
well then

unvote, vote mashley

let's do this
Salvage
ok i'm not gone yet .. goin in like an hour or so,



HI ADAMMMMMMMMMM
Backfire
Uhm o-o
Salvage
^

"Users browsing this forum: adam2046" ..



why so quiet backfire
bmin11
Working with the plan is the same as agreeing to it and I don't necessarily agree to using meta to justify your action and your innocent. However, I won't denie that Two's action certainly gave us a warning for the plan. The point is however, you never posted of any possible gains from the plan when you were going with Two's plan, but just said "we could possibly gain from it", which looks true since most of the time more info = advantage for town, but you overlooked the possible gain the mafia could have gotten also knowing the Mod hinted it as well. Townie should be a bit more careful with their actions, specially if we are doing something that could result in a bad way.

LS wrote:

Also, you're oddly aggressive.
I learnt looking like a townie only benefits when I was mafia. Doesn't help a penny for scumhunting I realized.
Salvage
vote: Backfire


again, why so quiet backfire? .. i want to point out mashley and adam lurking the hell out of this, reading and leaving too.



and posting useless stuff doesn't count neither just to let it clear, and i'm not asking for plans, just thoughts on the situation ..




i left the ones that didn't post cause it's pretty obvious, just talking to the ones that read and leave.
Backfire
Why am I quiet? Well
I went to play MW3, and i'm a little busy.
Thats all.

Also Unvote.
Two_old
unvote, vote backfire
adam2046

Salvage wrote:

i want to point out mashley and adam lurking the hell out of this, reading and leaving too.
Sorry for reading the bloody thread before posting.

Vote: Pieguy
Gut feeling.

I'll make a real post after I'm done thinking.
Salvage
i'll forgive you when you make a real post.
Backfire
Dunno what reason you have to vote me for at the moment, but ok.

I can see where you're coming from.

I usually wait a while before I start posting a lot anyways, so I have material to work with.
NoHitter
Mafia got fakeclaims right?
Therefore I do not think a mass softclaim would help us at all.
What it will do is just expose the games of town, and allow Mafia to guess our roles to some extent.

In fact there could be mafia roles that could benefit their faction by knowing our game.
(See what Two did only imagine a mafia role.)

tl:dr I think softclaiming has more risks than benefits.

Also someone make an ISO list for this game.
Salvage

Backfire wrote:

Dunno what reason you have to vote me for at the moment, but ok.

I can see where you're coming from.

I usually wait a while before I start posting a lot anyways, so I have material to work with.



that giving your opinion on the actual situation of the game is better than what you're doing right now (thinking on what to say to don't slip and screw it up for you and your mafia partners for example)
Salvage
anyways now i'm really going out, back in like 5 or so hours, love you guys.
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