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Yeah, this softclaim may work, assuming Wojjan didn't have enough foresight to see this.
My role is from Team Fortress 2 Mafia.
My role is from Team Fortress 2 Mafia.
Is your role *from* TF2 Mafia or *based on* the game?LadySuburu wrote:
My role is from Team Fortress 2 Mafia.
Same question to everyone else.
Since my role has nothing to do with any of the roles in the game except for a convoluted flavor relation.
Luna wrote:
Is your role *from* TF2 Mafia or *based on* the game?LadySuburu wrote:
My role is from Team Fortress 2 Mafia.
Same question to everyone else.
Since my role has nothing to do with any of the roles in the game except for a convoluted flavor relation.
The character I am is from the game, the role itself is not a copy of the role from the game.
unvote vote: LadySuburu
just saying ok to a soft claim without even discussing it at all
yeah right you just want your mafia ability that's not like you at all
just saying ok to a soft claim without even discussing it at all
yeah right you just want your mafia ability that's not like you at all
??? what makes ladysuburu different from luna and mashley
LS is good at mafiaTwo wrote:
??? what makes ladysuburu different from luna and mashley
well someone is nervous about what town can learn from this
not to imply luna or mashley sucks but LS is above average and usually discusses while weighing out the pros and cons of stuff before they do it
they seem eager
they seem eager
I don't see why you would try to "exploit" what Wojjan said by soft claiming because it's the exact same thing as mass claiming imoTwo wrote:
well someone is nervous about what town can learn from this
just what exactly do you think we could learn from this besides chancing mafia getting an obvious advantage/ability from it
I want to know as much as possible about how this was set up without giving them an advantage. It looks pretty bad if 3 people claim werewolf game, for example, and 2 of them die and show up as mafia. The only way you can really be opposed to this is if you know something we don't.
or if you're oblivious to the fact Wojjan said 500x that mafia would be ready for claimingTwo wrote:
I want to know as much as possible about how this was setup without giving them an advantage. It looks pretty bad if 3 people claim werewolf game, for example, and 2 of them die and show up as mafia. The only way you can really be opposed to this is if you know something we don't.
you seem more mafia than LS
Normal games: (before the anti-massclaim craze)Chris wrote:
unvote vote: LadySuburu
just saying ok to a soft claim without even discussing it at all
yeah right you just want your mafia ability that's not like you at all
Two: Let's massclaim.
Town massclaims.
Town benefits nicely.
This game:
Mod: There's anti-massclaim features in place.
Two: Let's softclaim then.
Based on massclaims benefiting town, and knowing a true massclaim hurts town, softclaim forces scum to fake one of the games they are from, and most likely will still benefit town.
Very nice attempt at painting me though chris, I now have a lead this game, day 1 at that.
Vote: Chris
wow you really are under pressure aren't you LS
I've never seen you vote for someone because they voted for you D1
I've never seen you vote for someone because they voted for you D1
how can you imply you know a softclaim wouldn't have the exact same effects as a massclaimLadySuburu wrote:
Based on massclaims benefiting town, and knowing a true massclaim hurts town, softclaim forces scum to fake one of the games they are from, and most likely will still benefit town.
Very nice attempt at painting me though chris, I now have a lead this game, day 1 at that.
Vote: Chris
nt being subtle
If you'll look at my previous games, in actuality I almost never even vote D1.Chris wrote:
wow you really are under pressure aren't you LS
I've never seen you vote for someone because they voted for you D1
You know why? Because I have no leads and it's always RV bullcrap.
actually it's not, rv it's crap but it can lead to interesting talks and to interesting reads, i do find out about a lot of things d1.
I don't "Know", but I can assume.Chris wrote:
how can you imply you know a softclaim wouldn't have the exact same effects as a massclaim
nt being subtle
Implying you know what I mean to make me look scummier, nt being subtle.
so you would risk giving mafia an advantage based on assumption when you could simply not do it at all insteadLadySuburu wrote:
I don't "Know", but I can assume.Chris wrote:
how can you imply you know a softclaim wouldn't have the exact same effects as a massclaim
nt being subtle
Implying you know what I mean to make me look scummier, nt being subtle.
so pro town of you
That's what a gambit is, Chris. You seem awfully reluctant to take any risk that could benefit town.Chris wrote:
so you would risk giving mafia an advantage based on assumption when you could simply not do it at all instead
so pro town of you
See: Me coroner claiming D1 in WWG.
risks are best taken day 1 anyway
we have a cushion of 22 players
we have a cushion of 22 players
EBWOP: Insomniac.LadySuburu wrote:
That's what a gambit is, Chris. You seem awfully reluctant to take any risk that could benefit town.Chris wrote:
so you would risk giving mafia an advantage based on assumption when you could simply not do it at all instead
so pro town of you
See: Mecoronerclaiming D1 in WWG.
of course I'm reluctant to possibly give mafia an opportunity to have an advantage the entire game just because a few people think softclaiming is some type of exploit that Wojjan didn't considerLadySuburu wrote:
That's what a gambit is, Chris. You seem awfully reluctant to take any risk that could benefit town.
See: Me coroner claiming D1 in WWG.
your entire point is "yeah it could help mafia but on the slim chance Wojjan was dumb enough to put all the mafia in one game, let's do it!"
it doesn't matter what day if it lasts the entire gameTwo wrote:
risks are best taken day 1 anyway
we have a cushion of 22 players
it doesn't even have to be about wojjan putting all the mafia in 1 game for it to be useful
this conversation, for example, is a wonderful by-product
you don't have to talk for LS in the threadTwo wrote:
it doesn't even have to be about wojjan putting all the mafia in 1 game for it to be useful
thats what day chat is for
but care to explain how
Scumpaint harder.Chris wrote:
your entire point is "yeah it could help mafia but on the slim chance Wojjan was dumb enough to put all the mafia in one game, let's do it!"
If I believed that this strategy didn't have a higher chance of helping town than hurting it, I wouldn't have gone through with it.
If I believed that Wojjan would put all the mafia in one game, I would be an idiot.
My point is, that I believe claiming what game we're from as stated above has a higher chance to help town than hurt it.
Your entire posts are "Let's take something LS is saying, intentionally misinterpret or flat out change it, and post it as if it's what they said and truely mean!"
Wojjan, you impress even the best creative writers out there, I'm sure. (If anyone asks, no, I am nowhere NEAR as good as being creative)
Also, I should probably make a RV, shouldn't I? ...Nah, not worth my time for a RV.
@Softclaiming: I don't even know what game mine came from, to be honest. Then again, I don't really research unless it's really necessary. =/
Also, I should probably make a RV, shouldn't I? ...Nah, not worth my time for a RV.
@Softclaiming: I don't even know what game mine came from, to be honest. Then again, I don't really research unless it's really necessary. =/
unless mafia roles are different
maybe that's why chris has such an aversion to it
maybe that's why chris has such an aversion to it
Two: ... *headdesk* Duh.
Instead of softclaiming, I'm giving out a hint: It's the prequel to my first game on the forums.
FYI, I love giving hints. :3
Instead of softclaiming, I'm giving out a hint: It's the prequel to my first game on the forums.
FYI, I love giving hints. :3
I've explained fully why I think it's stupidTwo wrote:
unless mafia roles are different
maybe that's why chris has such an aversion to it
the fact you and LS are so desperate to have everyone softclaim is what I don't get when it could screw town and you can't even explain how it's useful at all
and two the only thing anyone has to do to gain your trust is agree with you
they will be in your blind spot the rest of the game
oh stfu with your hints
even as a spectator they're enragingly pointless
even as a spectator they're enragingly pointless
Salvage: RVs are obviously easy to do, to be honest. Anyone can simply make a RV and put pressure on people.
Too bad that strategy doesn't work on me.
Too bad that strategy doesn't work on me.
it's not RV, and i don't mind pressuring you cause you already claimed mafia to me.
Two: I'm a bastard when I do things. Keep that in mind.
(No, I don't think I'm as evil as LS and his bastard mods, but I could be)
(No, I don't think I'm as evil as LS and his bastard mods, but I could be)
Salvage: You're so clever. My first post might've been a slip, but that's because I didn't think the URL on the role PM linked to the game it came from, but rather, to the MS wiki explaining what it is.
So, how exactally am I desperate?Chris wrote:
the fact you and LS are so desperate to have everyone softclaim is what I don't get when it could screw town and you can't even explain how it's useful at all
Things I have done in relation to the softclaim strategy:
1. Softclaim.
2. Attack you for your arguments against me (which relate to the softclaim strategy), most of which contain some form of scumpainting.
Oh, and nice try again with painting me. Though, it's getting a little old.
I guess there isn't too many ways to word mafia is there swiftwolf
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So, how exactally am I desperate?Chris wrote:
the fact you and LS are so desperate to have everyone softclaim is what I don't get when it could screw town and you can't even explain how it's useful at all
Things I have done in relation to the softclaim strategy:
1. Softclaim.
2. Attack you for your arguments against me (which relate to the softclaim strategy), most of which contain some form of scumpainting.
Oh, and nice try again with painting me. Though, it's getting a little old.
do you have anything else to say or are you stuck on how to show softclaiming helps anything
Nice table stretch, Chris. >_>
I think you're both trying to separate from each other, by the looks of it. You're BOTH on the same topic, so why don't you look elsewhere?
I think you're both trying to separate from each other, by the looks of it. You're BOTH on the same topic, so why don't you look elsewhere?
Hi guys.
I'm from Mafia Game which under further investigation is absolutely the game that Two hosted.
I'm a role directly from that game.
I'm from Mafia Game which under further investigation is absolutely the game that Two hosted.
I'm a role directly from that game.
..Wow. That game brings back memories.
...Dunno why I'm being nostalgic right now.
...Dunno why I'm being nostalgic right now.
cause it's an easy way to divert discussion imo
the only reason I haven't voted for you is cause you didn't actually softclaim
the only reason I haven't voted for you is cause you didn't actually softclaim
stickied
Vote: Salvage
So many pages in 1 hour... things just got serious.
My role is from the Werewolf Returns Game.
So many pages in 1 hour... things just got serious.
My role is from the Werewolf Returns Game.
what are you talking about swift
are you saying we should quit the topic of you roleclaiming mafia? ..
unvote; vote Swiftwolf Yellowtail
are you saying we should quit the topic of you roleclaiming mafia? ..
unvote; vote Swiftwolf Yellowtail
I would say something else, but you keep doing it.Chris wrote:
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do you have anything else to say or are you stuck on how to show softclaiming helps anything
Also, revealing that information right now completely nullifies the chance for it to help (based on what I believe we can find out.)
Two: The Werewolf Game
Mashley: Mafia Under The Sea
Luna: Sane Mafia 2
LadySuburu: Team Fortress 2 Mafia
Salvage: Death Note Mafia
foulcoon: Mafia Game (Two)
animask: Werewolves Return
Chris: mafia
Swiftwolf Yellowtail: mafia
Backfire: ???
0_o: ???
Ivalset: ???
Lybydose: ???
JInxyjem: ???
pieguy1372: ???
bmin11: ???
NoHItter: ???
adam2046: ???
Rantai: ???
KRZY: ???
Lilac: ???
akrolsmr: ???
Mashley: Mafia Under The Sea
Luna: Sane Mafia 2
LadySuburu: Team Fortress 2 Mafia
Salvage: Death Note Mafia
foulcoon: Mafia Game (Two)
animask: Werewolves Return
Chris: mafia
Swiftwolf Yellowtail: mafia
Backfire: ???
0_o: ???
Ivalset: ???
Lybydose: ???
JInxyjem: ???
pieguy1372: ???
bmin11: ???
NoHItter: ???
adam2046: ???
Rantai: ???
KRZY: ???
Lilac: ???
akrolsmr: ???
yeah that sounds like bs LS
not to mention if anyone fake claimed you wouldn't be able to tell ever
you said yourself you aren't even a role from your game, but just based on the game itself
not to mention if anyone fake claimed you wouldn't be able to tell ever
you said yourself you aren't even a role from your game, but just based on the game itself
LadySuburu wrote:
Yeah, this softclaim may work, assuming Wojjan didn't have enough foresight to see this.
My role is from Team Fortress 2 Mafia.
LadySuburu wrote:
The character I am is from the game, the role itself is not a copy of the role from the game.
I disagree.Chris wrote:
not to mention if anyone fake claimed you wouldn't be able to tell ever
You guys are all so clever. I'm actually saddened that none of you even bothered to figure it out yet. LS should know what I'm talking about, 'cause he hosted my first game.
if you think I'm going to do work to figure out something you could spend 2 seconds typing to us you are insane
I don't give my role away instantly, you should know that. I did that in YOUR game, for cryin' out loud! You SHOULD know that!
So you are implying that your game instanly tells us your role?Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
I don't give my role away instantly, you should know that. I did that in YOUR game, for cryin' out loud! You SHOULD know that!
Interesting.
No, but I'm pretty sure someone will do it for me if none of you can figure it out.
Figured something out, Salvage?
why would him figuring something out make him say oh god unless it was negativeSwiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
Figured something out, Salvage?
Actually, it is negative. To you and Two.
i don't like to hurt people's feelings so i'll leave it at "oh god".
Well, the only feeling you're hurting right now is yours, from what I can tell.
unvote vote swiftwolf
kill him please so something bad doesn't happen to me
thanks
kill him please so something bad doesn't happen to me
thanks
OMGUS vote, much?
this game is making me laugh hard at work near a lot of people that doesn't understand why i laugh.
you just said your role is something negative towards me
am I supposed to embrace that or something
am I supposed to embrace that or something
Actually, your (well, Two's, to be honest) findings about me are incorrect.
One final hint: These are the people that are playing in this game that were in my game (including the host, if possible):
LadySuburu
Faceman
animask
(for replacement [and played]) foulcoon
NoHItter
This is also in no particular order.
One final hint: These are the people that are playing in this game that were in my game (including the host, if possible):
LadySuburu
Faceman
animask
(for replacement [and played]) foulcoon
NoHItter
This is also in no particular order.
what findings are u talking about, you clearly said that you're role it's negative to chris and two.
is that another slip?
is that another slip?
Okay, so apparently, hinting is a bastard mod, a common theme LadySuburu uses with his mods.
The game I speak of: Less Experimental Mafia 1, the prequel to my first mafia game.
The game I speak of: Less Experimental Mafia 1, the prequel to my first mafia game.
Topic Starter
SWIFTWOLF YELLOWTAIL IS DEAD, AND OUT OF THE GAME. He was the Relay Mason from Less Experimental Mafia. After his town's triumph over the mafia, he was able to unite with his loving sister. They embraced, and ended up in this predicament together. Each night, they could chat privately about anything they pleased. They were both entirely confirmed of their being town.
Topic Starter
The day continues. This was the activation of a day power.
ok so someone killed swiftwolf or his sister absorbed him to gain a night ability
maybe
maybe
why vigilante kill without saying it to confirm you .. don't really get it
unless you have more than 1 shot .. idk
the kill was a relief tho.
the kill was a relief tho.
well this might bite me in the ass eventually so I might as well just tell you now that I killed swiftwolf
I am a one shot conditional vigilante who gains lynchproof and bulletproof upon success
I just needed a game name to do it, and you can lynch me if you want to confirm it
vote Two
oh and you can nightkill me too
(if I got the game wrong I would have died)
I am a one shot conditional vigilante who gains lynchproof and bulletproof upon success
I just needed a game name to do it, and you can lynch me if you want to confirm it
vote Two
oh and you can nightkill me too
(if I got the game wrong I would have died)
also I just want to point out that I think LadySuburu was the only one who actually defended Two's reasoning for wanting a mass softclaim and yet his actual reasoning was only to get a vigilante shot
seems interestingly enough like a perfect opportunity to get confirmed town in two's eyes by acting like they knew what he was talking about
seems interestingly enough like a perfect opportunity to get confirmed town in two's eyes by acting like they knew what he was talking about
o_o so it wasn't a mod kill. Someone seriously took Chris's words to kill. It was a terrible move, but it's pointless to argue now.
Oh and not claiming because I'm not clear what we can possibly gain from this mass soft claims. It's also hard how to distinguish between town and mafia since mafia would just simply lie and there's no way to confirm, unlike normal mass claim. What we are also not clear of is roles who could possibly gain from this type of information. Even mafia could possibly take an advantage over this info considering how Wojjan pointed that there will be a counter measure for mass claiming (we are not sure if soft claim is a safe range).
Oh and not claiming because I'm not clear what we can possibly gain from this mass soft claims. It's also hard how to distinguish between town and mafia since mafia would just simply lie and there's no way to confirm, unlike normal mass claim. What we are also not clear of is roles who could possibly gain from this type of information. Even mafia could possibly take an advantage over this info considering how Wojjan pointed that there will be a counter measure for mass claiming (we are not sure if soft claim is a safe range).
also what Two said might actually be the anti-mass claim measure that Wojjan put in
Oh great, a vigilante that requires a game type. It isn't necessarily an anti-town, but this could mean there is a possibility of roles gaining from these soft claims.
and why are you voting for me, Salvage? I'll be really disappointed if you are soley voting because I was reading the thread.
and why are you voting for me, Salvage? I'll be really disappointed if you are soley voting because I was reading the thread.
chris please explain to me why I would kill someone to gain lynchproof alone
or are you saying mafia members need bulletproof?
I am already lynchproof without abilities, I don't need to kill someone to get that
or are you saying mafia members need bulletproof?
I am already lynchproof without abilities, I don't need to kill someone to get that
Two wrote:
chris please explain to me why I would kill someone to gain lynchproof alone
or are you saying mafia members need bulletproof?
I am already lynchproof without abilities, I don't need to kill someone to get that
??Two wrote:
I am a one shot conditional vigilante who gains lynchproof and bulletproof upon success
Two wrote:
or are you saying mafia members need bulletproof?
side effect of the mass claimTwo wrote:
Two wrote:
or are you saying mafia members need bulletproof?
how should I know? there could be a reason
or you could be lying
So you lied about the game you're from then? because there's no way that role is from The Werewolf Game.Two wrote:
well this might bite me in the ass eventually so I might as well just tell you now that I killed swiftwolf
I am a one shot conditional vigilante who gains lynchproof and bulletproof upon success
I just needed a game name to do it, and you can lynch me if you want to confirm it
vote Two
oh and you can nightkill me too
(if I got the game wrong I would have died)
I have a hard time believing that role is from any game, but feel free to prove me wrong.
why would I have to prove you wrong
you can do it yourself by putting me at majority
you can do it yourself by putting me at majority
being lynchproof could be a side effect of the mass claim like I saidTwo wrote:
why would I have to prove you wrong
you can do it yourself by putting me at majority
it's possible you gained it after everyone claimed
just because you say it was from you shooting swiftwolf doesn't mean anything
also what exactly was your roleplay reason for getting bulletproof/lynchproof anyways? as far as I can see everything in this game comes with a story
I'd rather not really invoke whatever counterclaim measures wojjan instated for mafia
so I won't be revealing anything else about my role
so I won't be revealing anything else about my role
what a cop outTwo wrote:
I'd rather not really invoke whatever counterclaim measures wojjan instated for mafia
so I won't be revealing anything else about my role
explain how you got the lynchproof/bulletproof story wise
thanks