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Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
no bites :(

as productive as that was, I think we should start figuring out this game

based on what my role is, I assume we all have a role associated with either a unique game or just memorable games

since mafia apparently either have easy fakeclaims or gain some sort of advantage with a mass roleclaim, I think we should softclaim through game flavor

my role is from The Werewolf Game
Mashley
2,042 posts
Joined September 2008
Mashley
My role is from Mafia Under the Sea
Luna
2,354 posts
Joined November 2010
Luna
My role is not taken directly from a game, but it is based on a game through flavor.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
so is ours I think? what is it based off of?
Luna
2,354 posts
Joined November 2010
Luna
Sane Mafia 2
LadySuburu
80 posts
Joined June 2008
LadySuburu
Yeah, this softclaim may work, assuming Wojjan didn't have enough foresight to see this.

My role is from Team Fortress 2 Mafia.
Luna
2,354 posts
Joined November 2010
Luna

LadySuburu wrote:

My role is from Team Fortress 2 Mafia.
Is your role *from* TF2 Mafia or *based on* the game?
Same question to everyone else.
Since my role has nothing to do with any of the roles in the game except for a convoluted flavor relation.
LadySuburu
80 posts
Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

Luna wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

My role is from Team Fortress 2 Mafia.
Is your role *from* TF2 Mafia or *based on* the game?
Same question to everyone else.
Since my role has nothing to do with any of the roles in the game except for a convoluted flavor relation.

The character I am is from the game, the role itself is not a copy of the role from the game.
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old
unvote vote: LadySuburu

just saying ok to a soft claim without even discussing it at all

yeah right you just want your mafia ability that's not like you at all
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
??? what makes ladysuburu different from luna and mashley
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old

Two wrote:

??? what makes ladysuburu different from luna and mashley
LS is good at mafia
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
well someone is nervous about what town can learn from this
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old
not to imply luna or mashley sucks but LS is above average and usually discusses while weighing out the pros and cons of stuff before they do it

they seem eager
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old

Two wrote:

well someone is nervous about what town can learn from this
I don't see why you would try to "exploit" what Wojjan said by soft claiming because it's the exact same thing as mass claiming imo

just what exactly do you think we could learn from this besides chancing mafia getting an obvious advantage/ability from it
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
I want to know as much as possible about how this was set up without giving them an advantage. It looks pretty bad if 3 people claim werewolf game, for example, and 2 of them die and show up as mafia. The only way you can really be opposed to this is if you know something we don't.
Chris_old
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Joined February 2008
Chris_old

Two wrote:

I want to know as much as possible about how this was setup without giving them an advantage. It looks pretty bad if 3 people claim werewolf game, for example, and 2 of them die and show up as mafia. The only way you can really be opposed to this is if you know something we don't.
or if you're oblivious to the fact Wojjan said 500x that mafia would be ready for claiming

you seem more mafia than LS
LadySuburu
80 posts
Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

Chris wrote:

unvote vote: LadySuburu

just saying ok to a soft claim without even discussing it at all

yeah right you just want your mafia ability that's not like you at all
Normal games: (before the anti-massclaim craze)

Two: Let's massclaim.

Town massclaims.

Town benefits nicely.


This game:

Mod: There's anti-massclaim features in place.

Two: Let's softclaim then.

Based on massclaims benefiting town, and knowing a true massclaim hurts town, softclaim forces scum to fake one of the games they are from, and most likely will still benefit town.


Very nice attempt at painting me though chris, I now have a lead this game, day 1 at that.

Vote: Chris
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old
wow you really are under pressure aren't you LS

I've never seen you vote for someone because they voted for you D1
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
Death Note Mafia here .. reading stufff i'm slow.
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old

LadySuburu wrote:

Based on massclaims benefiting town, and knowing a true massclaim hurts town, softclaim forces scum to fake one of the games they are from, and most likely will still benefit town.


Very nice attempt at painting me though chris, I now have a lead this game, day 1 at that.

Vote: Chris
how can you imply you know a softclaim wouldn't have the exact same effects as a massclaim

nt being subtle
LadySuburu
80 posts
Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

Chris wrote:

wow you really are under pressure aren't you LS

I've never seen you vote for someone because they voted for you D1
If you'll look at my previous games, in actuality I almost never even vote D1.

You know why? Because I have no leads and it's always RV bullcrap.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
actually it's not, rv it's crap but it can lead to interesting talks and to interesting reads, i do find out about a lot of things d1.
LadySuburu
80 posts
Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

Chris wrote:

how can you imply you know a softclaim wouldn't have the exact same effects as a massclaim

nt being subtle
I don't "Know", but I can assume.

Implying you know what I mean to make me look scummier, nt being subtle.
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old

LadySuburu wrote:

Chris wrote:

how can you imply you know a softclaim wouldn't have the exact same effects as a massclaim

nt being subtle
I don't "Know", but I can assume.

Implying you know what I mean to make me look scummier, nt being subtle.
so you would risk giving mafia an advantage based on assumption when you could simply not do it at all instead

so pro town of you
LadySuburu
80 posts
Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

Chris wrote:

so you would risk giving mafia an advantage based on assumption when you could simply not do it at all instead

so pro town of you
That's what a gambit is, Chris. You seem awfully reluctant to take any risk that could benefit town.

See: Me coroner claiming D1 in WWG.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
risks are best taken day 1 anyway

we have a cushion of 22 players
LadySuburu
80 posts
Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

LadySuburu wrote:

Chris wrote:

so you would risk giving mafia an advantage based on assumption when you could simply not do it at all instead

so pro town of you
That's what a gambit is, Chris. You seem awfully reluctant to take any risk that could benefit town.

See: Me coroner claiming D1 in WWG.
EBWOP: Insomniac.
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old

LadySuburu wrote:

That's what a gambit is, Chris. You seem awfully reluctant to take any risk that could benefit town.

See: Me coroner claiming D1 in WWG.
of course I'm reluctant to possibly give mafia an opportunity to have an advantage the entire game just because a few people think softclaiming is some type of exploit that Wojjan didn't consider

your entire point is "yeah it could help mafia but on the slim chance Wojjan was dumb enough to put all the mafia in one game, let's do it!"

Two wrote:

risks are best taken day 1 anyway

we have a cushion of 22 players
it doesn't matter what day if it lasts the entire game
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
it doesn't even have to be about wojjan putting all the mafia in 1 game for it to be useful
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
this conversation, for example, is a wonderful by-product
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old

Two wrote:

it doesn't even have to be about wojjan putting all the mafia in 1 game for it to be useful
you don't have to talk for LS in the thread

thats what day chat is for

but care to explain how
LadySuburu
80 posts
Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

Chris wrote:

your entire point is "yeah it could help mafia but on the slim chance Wojjan was dumb enough to put all the mafia in one game, let's do it!"
Scumpaint harder.

If I believed that this strategy didn't have a higher chance of helping town than hurting it, I wouldn't have gone through with it.

If I believed that Wojjan would put all the mafia in one game, I would be an idiot.


My point is, that I believe claiming what game we're from as stated above has a higher chance to help town than hurt it.

Your entire posts are "Let's take something LS is saying, intentionally misinterpret or flat out change it, and post it as if it's what they said and truely mean!"
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Wojjan, you impress even the best creative writers out there, I'm sure. (If anyone asks, no, I am nowhere NEAR as good as being creative)


Also, I should probably make a RV, shouldn't I? ...Nah, not worth my time for a RV.

@Softclaiming: I don't even know what game mine came from, to be honest. Then again, I don't really research unless it's really necessary. =/
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
it says pretty clearly what game your role is from
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
unless mafia roles are different

maybe that's why chris has such an aversion to it
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
vote: Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
that was easy.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Two: ... *headdesk* Duh.

Instead of softclaiming, I'm giving out a hint: It's the prequel to my first game on the forums.


FYI, I love giving hints. :3
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old

Two wrote:

unless mafia roles are different

maybe that's why chris has such an aversion to it
I've explained fully why I think it's stupid

the fact you and LS are so desperate to have everyone softclaim is what I don't get when it could screw town and you can't even explain how it's useful at all

and two the only thing anyone has to do to gain your trust is agree with you

they will be in your blind spot the rest of the game
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
oh stfu with your hints

even as a spectator they're enragingly pointless
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
that's mean chris :(
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Salvage: RVs are obviously easy to do, to be honest. Anyone can simply make a RV and put pressure on people.

Too bad that strategy doesn't work on me. :P
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
it's not RV, and i don't mind pressuring you cause you already claimed mafia to me.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Two: I'm a bastard when I do things. Keep that in mind.

(No, I don't think I'm as evil as LS and his bastard mods, but I could be)
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Salvage: You're so clever. My first post might've been a slip, but that's because I didn't think the URL on the role PM linked to the game it came from, but rather, to the MS wiki explaining what it is.
LadySuburu
80 posts
Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

Chris wrote:

the fact you and LS are so desperate to have everyone softclaim is what I don't get when it could screw town and you can't even explain how it's useful at all
So, how exactally am I desperate?

Things I have done in relation to the softclaim strategy:

1. Softclaim.

2. Attack you for your arguments against me (which relate to the softclaim strategy), most of which contain some form of scumpainting.


Oh, and nice try again with painting me. Though, it's getting a little old.
Chris_old
0 posts
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Chris_old
I guess there isn't too many ways to word mafia is there swiftwolf
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old

LadySuburu wrote:

Chris wrote:

the fact you and LS are so desperate to have everyone softclaim is what I don't get when it could screw town and you can't even explain how it's useful at all
So, how exactally am I desperate?

Things I have done in relation to the softclaim strategy:

1. Softclaim.

2. Attack you for your arguments against me (which relate to the softclaim strategy), most of which contain some form of scumpainting.


Oh, and nice try again with painting me. Though, it's getting a little old.
scumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaint

do you have anything else to say or are you stuck on how to show softclaiming helps anything
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Nice table stretch, Chris. >_>

I think you're both trying to separate from each other, by the looks of it. You're BOTH on the same topic, so why don't you look elsewhere?
foulcoon
osu! Alumni
1,384 posts
Joined July 2008
foulcoon
Hi guys.

I'm from Mafia Game which under further investigation is absolutely the game that Two hosted.

I'm a role directly from that game.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
..Wow. That game brings back memories.


...Dunno why I'm being nostalgic right now.
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old
cause it's an easy way to divert discussion imo

the only reason I haven't voted for you is cause you didn't actually softclaim
foulcoon
osu! Alumni
1,384 posts
Joined July 2008
foulcoon
stickied
Sleep Powder
1,540 posts
Joined October 2008
Sleep Powder
Vote: Salvage

So many pages in 1 hour... things just got serious.

My role is from the Werewolf Returns Game.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
what are you talking about swift



are you saying we should quit the topic of you roleclaiming mafia? ..



unvote; vote Swiftwolf Yellowtail
LadySuburu
80 posts
Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

Chris wrote:

scumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaint

do you have anything else to say or are you stuck on how to show softclaiming helps anything
I would say something else, but you keep doing it.

Also, revealing that information right now completely nullifies the chance for it to help (based on what I believe we can find out.)
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
Two: The Werewolf Game
Mashley: Mafia Under The Sea
Luna: Sane Mafia 2
LadySuburu: Team Fortress 2 Mafia
Salvage: Death Note Mafia
foulcoon: Mafia Game (Two)
animask: Werewolves Return
Chris: mafia
Swiftwolf Yellowtail: mafia
Backfire: ???
0_o: ???
Ivalset: ???
Lybydose: ???
JInxyjem: ???
pieguy1372: ???
bmin11: ???
NoHItter: ???
adam2046: ???
Rantai: ???
KRZY: ???
Lilac: ???
akrolsmr: ???
Chris_old
0 posts
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Chris_old
yeah that sounds like bs LS

not to mention if anyone fake claimed you wouldn't be able to tell ever

you said yourself you aren't even a role from your game, but just based on the game itself

LadySuburu wrote:

Yeah, this softclaim may work, assuming Wojjan didn't have enough foresight to see this.

My role is from Team Fortress 2 Mafia.

LadySuburu wrote:

The character I am is from the game, the role itself is not a copy of the role from the game.
LadySuburu
80 posts
Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

Chris wrote:

not to mention if anyone fake claimed you wouldn't be able to tell ever
I disagree.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
LS is TF2 spy

calling it now
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
You guys are all so clever. I'm actually saddened that none of you even bothered to figure it out yet. LS should know what I'm talking about, 'cause he hosted my first game.
Two_old
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Joined March 2008
Two_old
if you think I'm going to do work to figure out something you could spend 2 seconds typing to us you are insane
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
I don't give my role away instantly, you should know that. I did that in YOUR game, for cryin' out loud! You SHOULD know that!
Luna
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Luna

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

I don't give my role away instantly, you should know that. I did that in YOUR game, for cryin' out loud! You SHOULD know that!
So you are implying that your game instanly tells us your role?
Interesting.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
No, but I'm pretty sure someone will do it for me if none of you can figure it out.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
oh god
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Figured something out, Salvage?
Chris_old
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Joined February 2008
Chris_old

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Figured something out, Salvage?
why would him figuring something out make him say oh god unless it was negative
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Actually, it is negative. To you and Two.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
i don't like to hurt people's feelings so i'll leave it at "oh god".
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Well, the only feeling you're hurting right now is yours, from what I can tell.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
unvote vote swiftwolf

kill him please so something bad doesn't happen to me

thanks
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
OMGUS vote, much?
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
this game is making me laugh hard at work near a lot of people that doesn't understand why i laugh.
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old
you just said your role is something negative towards me

am I supposed to embrace that or something
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Topic Starter
Wojjan
HOLD YOUR SHIt, IT'S EVENT TIME
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Actually, your (well, Two's, to be honest) findings about me are incorrect.

One final hint: These are the people that are playing in this game that were in my game (including the host, if possible):

LadySuburu
Faceman
animask
(for replacement [and played]) foulcoon
NoHItter

This is also in no particular order.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
what findings are u talking about, you clearly said that you're role it's negative to chris and two.



is that another slip?
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
just to let it clear, stop that hint bs pls.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Okay, so apparently, hinting is a bastard mod, a common theme LadySuburu uses with his mods.

The game I speak of: Less Experimental Mafia 1, the prequel to my first mafia game.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Topic Starter
Wojjan


SWIFTWOLF YELLOWTAIL IS DEAD, AND OUT OF THE GAME. He was the Relay Mason from Less Experimental Mafia. After his town's triumph over the mafia, he was able to unite with his loving sister. They embraced, and ended up in this predicament together. Each night, they could chat privately about anything they pleased. They were both entirely confirmed of their being town.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
was that a modkill or something

is the day over
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Topic Starter
Wojjan
The day continues. This was the activation of a day power.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
ok so someone killed swiftwolf or his sister absorbed him to gain a night ability

maybe
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
why vigilante kill without saying it to confirm you .. don't really get it
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
unless you have more than 1 shot .. idk


the kill was a relief tho.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
well this might bite me in the ass eventually so I might as well just tell you now that I killed swiftwolf

I am a one shot conditional vigilante who gains lynchproof and bulletproof upon success

I just needed a game name to do it, and you can lynch me if you want to confirm it

vote Two

oh and you can nightkill me too ;)

(if I got the game wrong I would have died)
Chris_old
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Chris_old
yeah ok

vote: LadySuburu
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
vote: bmin11
Chris_old
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Chris_old
also I just want to point out that I think LadySuburu was the only one who actually defended Two's reasoning for wanting a mass softclaim and yet his actual reasoning was only to get a vigilante shot

seems interestingly enough like a perfect opportunity to get confirmed town in two's eyes by acting like they knew what he was talking about
bmin11
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bmin11
o_o so it wasn't a mod kill. Someone seriously took Chris's words to kill. It was a terrible move, but it's pointless to argue now.

Oh and not claiming because I'm not clear what we can possibly gain from this mass soft claims. It's also hard how to distinguish between town and mafia since mafia would just simply lie and there's no way to confirm, unlike normal mass claim. What we are also not clear of is roles who could possibly gain from this type of information. Even mafia could possibly take an advantage over this info considering how Wojjan pointed that there will be a counter measure for mass claiming (we are not sure if soft claim is a safe range).
Chris_old
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Chris_old
also what Two said might actually be the anti-mass claim measure that Wojjan put in
bmin11
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bmin11
Oh great, a vigilante that requires a game type. It isn't necessarily an anti-town, but this could mean there is a possibility of roles gaining from these soft claims.


and why are you voting for me, Salvage? I'll be really disappointed if you are soley voting because I was reading the thread.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
chris please explain to me why I would kill someone to gain lynchproof alone

or are you saying mafia members need bulletproof?

I am already lynchproof without abilities, I don't need to kill someone to get that
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Two wrote:

chris please explain to me why I would kill someone to gain lynchproof alone

or are you saying mafia members need bulletproof?

I am already lynchproof without abilities, I don't need to kill someone to get that

Two wrote:

I am a one shot conditional vigilante who gains lynchproof and bulletproof upon success
??
Two_old
620 posts
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Two_old

Two wrote:

or are you saying mafia members need bulletproof?
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Two wrote:

Two wrote:

or are you saying mafia members need bulletproof?
side effect of the mass claim

how should I know? there could be a reason

or you could be lying
foulcoon
osu! Alumni
1,384 posts
Joined July 2008
foulcoon

Two wrote:

well this might bite me in the ass eventually so I might as well just tell you now that I killed swiftwolf

I am a one shot conditional vigilante who gains lynchproof and bulletproof upon success

I just needed a game name to do it, and you can lynch me if you want to confirm it

vote Two

oh and you can nightkill me too ;)

(if I got the game wrong I would have died)
So you lied about the game you're from then? because there's no way that role is from The Werewolf Game.

I have a hard time believing that role is from any game, but feel free to prove me wrong.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
why would I have to prove you wrong

you can do it yourself by putting me at majority
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Two wrote:

why would I have to prove you wrong

you can do it yourself by putting me at majority
being lynchproof could be a side effect of the mass claim like I said

it's possible you gained it after everyone claimed

just because you say it was from you shooting swiftwolf doesn't mean anything

also what exactly was your roleplay reason for getting bulletproof/lynchproof anyways? as far as I can see everything in this game comes with a story
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