how can you imply you know a softclaim wouldn't have the exact same effects as a massclaimLadySuburu wrote:
Based on massclaims benefiting town, and knowing a true massclaim hurts town, softclaim forces scum to fake one of the games they are from, and most likely will still benefit town.
Very nice attempt at painting me though chris, I now have a lead this game, day 1 at that.
Vote: Chris
If you'll look at my previous games, in actuality I almost never even vote D1.Chris wrote:
wow you really are under pressure aren't you LS
I've never seen you vote for someone because they voted for you D1
I don't "Know", but I can assume.Chris wrote:
how can you imply you know a softclaim wouldn't have the exact same effects as a massclaim
nt being subtle
so you would risk giving mafia an advantage based on assumption when you could simply not do it at all insteadLadySuburu wrote:
I don't "Know", but I can assume.Chris wrote:
how can you imply you know a softclaim wouldn't have the exact same effects as a massclaim
nt being subtle
Implying you know what I mean to make me look scummier, nt being subtle.
That's what a gambit is, Chris. You seem awfully reluctant to take any risk that could benefit town.Chris wrote:
so you would risk giving mafia an advantage based on assumption when you could simply not do it at all instead
so pro town of you
EBWOP: Insomniac.LadySuburu wrote:
That's what a gambit is, Chris. You seem awfully reluctant to take any risk that could benefit town.Chris wrote:
so you would risk giving mafia an advantage based on assumption when you could simply not do it at all instead
so pro town of you
See: Mecoronerclaiming D1 in WWG.
of course I'm reluctant to possibly give mafia an opportunity to have an advantage the entire game just because a few people think softclaiming is some type of exploit that Wojjan didn't considerLadySuburu wrote:
That's what a gambit is, Chris. You seem awfully reluctant to take any risk that could benefit town.
See: Me coroner claiming D1 in WWG.
it doesn't matter what day if it lasts the entire gameTwo wrote:
risks are best taken day 1 anyway
we have a cushion of 22 players
you don't have to talk for LS in the threadTwo wrote:
it doesn't even have to be about wojjan putting all the mafia in 1 game for it to be useful
Scumpaint harder.Chris wrote:
your entire point is "yeah it could help mafia but on the slim chance Wojjan was dumb enough to put all the mafia in one game, let's do it!"
I've explained fully why I think it's stupidTwo wrote:
unless mafia roles are different
maybe that's why chris has such an aversion to it
So, how exactally am I desperate?Chris wrote:
the fact you and LS are so desperate to have everyone softclaim is what I don't get when it could screw town and you can't even explain how it's useful at all
scumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintscumpaintLadySuburu wrote:
So, how exactally am I desperate?Chris wrote:
the fact you and LS are so desperate to have everyone softclaim is what I don't get when it could screw town and you can't even explain how it's useful at all
Things I have done in relation to the softclaim strategy:
1. Softclaim.
2. Attack you for your arguments against me (which relate to the softclaim strategy), most of which contain some form of scumpainting.
Oh, and nice try again with painting me. Though, it's getting a little old.
I would say something else, but you keep doing it.Chris wrote:
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do you have anything else to say or are you stuck on how to show softclaiming helps anything
LadySuburu wrote:
Yeah, this softclaim may work, assuming Wojjan didn't have enough foresight to see this.
My role is from Team Fortress 2 Mafia.
LadySuburu wrote:
The character I am is from the game, the role itself is not a copy of the role from the game.
I disagree.Chris wrote:
not to mention if anyone fake claimed you wouldn't be able to tell ever
So you are implying that your game instanly tells us your role?Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
I don't give my role away instantly, you should know that. I did that in YOUR game, for cryin' out loud! You SHOULD know that!
why would him figuring something out make him say oh god unless it was negativeSwiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
Figured something out, Salvage?
Two wrote:
chris please explain to me why I would kill someone to gain lynchproof alone
or are you saying mafia members need bulletproof?
I am already lynchproof without abilities, I don't need to kill someone to get that
??Two wrote:
I am a one shot conditional vigilante who gains lynchproof and bulletproof upon success
Two wrote:
or are you saying mafia members need bulletproof?
side effect of the mass claimTwo wrote:
Two wrote:
or are you saying mafia members need bulletproof?
So you lied about the game you're from then? because there's no way that role is from The Werewolf Game.Two wrote:
well this might bite me in the ass eventually so I might as well just tell you now that I killed swiftwolf
I am a one shot conditional vigilante who gains lynchproof and bulletproof upon success
I just needed a game name to do it, and you can lynch me if you want to confirm it
vote Two
oh and you can nightkill me too
(if I got the game wrong I would have died)
being lynchproof could be a side effect of the mass claim like I saidTwo wrote:
why would I have to prove you wrong
you can do it yourself by putting me at majority
what a cop outTwo wrote:
I'd rather not really invoke whatever counterclaim measures wojjan instated for mafia
so I won't be revealing anything else about my role
can't come up with anything I assumeTwo wrote:
I already declined
what a woman
bmin11 wrote:
and why are you voting for me, Salvage? I'll be really disappointed if you are soley voting because I was reading the thread.
Wojjan said there were no cults nor jesters this game.Chris wrote:
trump card though does that = jester?
why did you go along with it if you felt that way0_o wrote:
Keep in mind that the mafia DID get safeclaims. I'm pretty sure we're not gonna be able to figure much out by softclaiming as the mafia has a whole list of roles that won't coincide with any of the town's.
I don't believe 0_o claimed anything?Two wrote:
why did you go along with it if you felt that way0_o wrote:
Keep in mind that the mafia DID get safeclaims. I'm pretty sure we're not gonna be able to figure much out by softclaiming as the mafia has a whole list of roles that won't coincide with any of the town's.
roleclaim: magic treestump (not my role name)
basically if I carve someone's initials (game name) into myself (and it's correct), I get an ability
odd days: lynchproof and bulletproof
even days: lynchproof
Defending or not defending a gambit does not really influence if one is or is not town.Chris wrote:
also I just want to point out that I think LadySuburu was the only one who actually defended Two's reasoning for wanting a mass softclaim and yet his actual reasoning was only to get a vigilante shot
seems interestingly enough like a perfect opportunity to get confirmed town in two's eyes by acting like they knew what he was talking about
Somewhat. It has a different win condition and ability, but the method is the same. But your role seems far far away from having any connection with Werewolf.Two wrote:
um based on my role, I didn't think other roles were closely tied to their game in functionality
but I guess yours is?
You do realize mafia wouldn't suggest a plan they wouldn't advantage from, nor there will be a townie who would agree on a plan that would hurt town. We clearly stated there's nothing much to gain from the information and the risk of other alignment gaining from it was high. You, however, covered up by saying "it's a necessary risk to take for town". What's funny is now you disclose the plan after Two claiming the plan was just for his benefit and multiple people (Chris, me, and 0_o) disagreed to the plan. You shouldn't have gave up with the plan just because of these reasons since the plan itself does not get influenced from whatever is happening right now. For example, why did you think the plan was okay when only Chris was disagreeing to it and now you think the plan is wrong because others have opposed? There aren't any elements that would effect the outcome of the plan.LadySuburu wrote:
Defending or not defending a gambit does not really influence if one is or is not town.
A scum can argue against another scum's plan in thread to distance and look town when it helps them.
A town can argue for a scum's plan when the plan looks like it will benefit town.
and other similar situations.
However, I really don't feel like arguing with you, because it feels like when I argued with two in the past. Not fun, and neither one of us is going to see it the other's way.
At this point though, regardless of two's alignment no more softclaims.
Elements that effect the outcome of the plan:bmin11 wrote:
You do realize mafia wouldn't suggest a plan they wouldn't advantage from, nor there will be a townie who would agree on a plan that would hurt town. We clearly stated there's nothing much to gain from the information and the risk of other alignment gaining from it was high. You, however, covered up by saying "it's a necessary risk to take for town". What's funny is now you disclose the plan after Two claiming the plan was just for his benefit and multiple people (Chris, me, and 0_o) disagreed to the plan. You shouldn't have gave up with the plan just because of these reasons since the plan itself does not get influenced from whatever is happening right now. For example, why did you think the plan was okay when only Chris was disagreeing to it and now you think the plan is wrong because others have opposed? There aren't any elements that would effect the outcome of the plan.
Vote: LS
