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mm201
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It depends on how packed they are?

This is my method for creating long wave sliders:


The closer the pair of nodes is to the center, the further from the X-axis it goes. It takes a bit of eyeballing to get correct, same as spirals. The new single-axis scale feature (test builds) makes it easier to fit the size once they're made symmetric.

For very tight wiggles, use basic 4-point arcs, joined together with redpoints.


Edit: Are our minds nice and fucked? Good. These two sliders are the same:
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RandomJibberish
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mm has killed the only things I truly believed in. At least I can't feel too guilty about being lazy and using five points rather than four for my arcs :P

And I'll seriously add awesome wiggles when I get home, although mm basically said what I was going to say. Sorry I forgot :(
mm201
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Using fewer points in arcs makes it harder to make mistakes. Using 4 points instead of 3 lets me control whether the arc should be more flat, round, or boomerang-like. The 3-point variety is somewhere between boomerang and round, leaning towards the round side. I use them when the curvature is very slight, or for odd utilitarian sliders that don't need to be perfect.
RandomJibberish
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Wiggles finally added. Sorry for the delay :(
SapphireGhost
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Jibbella, show us how to make varying types of non-ugly loop sliders.
mm201
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What, you mean like these?


The number of control points you want depends on the angle covered by your arc.
0°: 2 points
0°-20°: 3 points
20°-170°: 4 points
170°-200°: 5 points
200°-300°: 6 points
300°-350°: 7 points

None of this is really exact, just a general idea. Similar to waves, the further the control point is from the start/end in order, the further away from the curve it goes. Make sure the first and last control lines are pointed in the direction you want your loop to begin at. The others, just adjust by eye until it's mostly round. Using an approach circle as a guide can help with this.

Like with most shapes, keep one (two if the number of points is even) control point to take out of grid snap so you can line up the endpoint.

Edit: In other news, loop sliders for lazy people:
RandomJibberish
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I'm pretty sure Sappha was referring to these



which I'm adding now, along with mm's symmetrical circles tutorial because it's that smexy.
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RandomJibberish wrote:

I'm pretty sure Sappha was referring to these



which I'm adding now, along with mm's symmetrical circles tutorial because it's that smexy.


That's work better I think.
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Holy CRAP that beat blanket science is genius
Raging Bull
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Add Krisom sliders lol. So I won't fail at copying the osu and then ruining the slider because of different BPM/SV. Haha.

How about double loops too?

Odaril's awesome blanket!
Odaril's delicious loop!
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Kytoxid
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mm201 wrote:

Edit: In other news, loop sliders for lazy people:
I make loop sliders like this, and just wanted to put it into words, as in my opinion, it is the easiest one to pull off.

You want a red point for every QUARTER of the arc. Between every 2 red points (the very first point also counts as a red point, since the slider passes there 100%), you want at least two white points. (usually two is enough) Align the two white points on both sides of the red point in a way that they are in a straight line. In math terms, if you drew a circle along the center of the arc slider's path, the line formed by connecting the white-red-white points should form a tangent to the circle.

Because of this, especially if your red points fall perfectly along either of the two center lines, you should only need to adjust the white points in one direction (up/down for the ones neighbouring the left red point, for example, in mm's picture). As your circle is lined up with red points at 90 degrees, all the points except for the very end should be rotationally symmetrical, so check that with Ctrl+. and Ctrl+, .

Once you have the points adjacent to red points down, just fiddle with the "end bit" (the bit below the left red point in mm's picture). Sometimes it'll go into that position easily, sometimes you might want an extra point there just to fine-tune.

Since this relies on red points instead of white ones, you can also very easily insert large arcs into your other slider art this way.

EDIT: And I feel like I made it sound more complicated than it is.
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Raging Bull wrote:

Add Krisom sliders lol.
Most Krisom sliders are made based off the simple shapes if I remember correctly. And symmetry, that's cool too. So make your own special sliders instead of copying Krisom's because that's cooler anyway.
RandomJibberish
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Raging Bull wrote:

Add Krisom sliders lol. So I won't fail at copying the osu and then ruining the slider because of different BPM/SV. Haha.

How about double loops too?
As Sappha said, master the basics and all of krisom's shapes are pretty easy. Krisom Krosses are just a pair of waves, there are blankets with linear bits off them, etc

Double loops work exactly as you'd expect. Just make sure each loop is nice and round and that the whole slider retains its symmetry

Kytoxid wrote:

lots of stuff
I would add this type of loop, since I'd rather people did this than eyeballed it (lol), but once you've had practice it's easier not to fuck up with the other method, and you get automatic symmetry. Idk, I might add it still
mm201
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It's an okay method. I think iNiS used it in Ouendan2 to create those really funky sliders on certain maps, combining 2 or more part circles of different radii together. Up until the most recent builds, red points had some small bugs making them a little inaccurate, which I think plays a part in their unpopularity, at least with smooth shapes.
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Speaking of redpoints, how are these, given that I'd effectively rammed them out in the space of a minute?

RandomJibberish
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Looking great! Could probably have slightly rounder curves, but I'm pretty sure even I wouldn't see that in game.
D33d
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Yeah, I kind of wish that I could've got them rounder, because they're noticeable in Easy. I'd fiddled around with the points a bit, but the sliders would either kink weirdly or become too squishy. Thanks! :3

For the record, these are the points:



Pretty much as even as I could get them.
Derekku
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^I looooooooooove those kinds of sliders.
mm201
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For those kinds of U-shaped elbows, I would combine the "lazy circle" technique with the regular elbow method.
Otherwise, getting perfect 180° circles is much harder than other angles.


(hmmm I might keep something like this since the song is about magnets...)
D33d
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That's pretty fantastic. Getting a properly rounded 'U' is a pain when using a regular arc.

DEEDIT: This 'PONPONPON' map sure is getting fun.

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Im lazy u_u


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Katsuri
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Something basic?

Hmm, This wave slider is Easy to learn and good...


  1. Add a start point
  2. Make this Perfectly simetric (using ctrl+H)
  3. On the 2nd point, move 5 grids up like this.
  4. On the 4th point, move 5 grids down.
  5. Make the grid tiny and Make the points perfectly simetric using ctrl+H+J
  6. You have a easy simetric wave.
Jarby
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You can also do them like this, but Larto hates me for it.

RandomJibberish
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Jar you suck at aligning the endpoint
Also doing sliders that way looks a little wonky, but it's pretty damn good.
D33d
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I dunno; that endpoint looks pretty damn in place. By the way, I'm trying to get Jar to use more points for his waves, as they tend to be pretty pointy. At least two three-point arcs, but he should totally use the OP madstyle waves instead.

Also, I've been having a bucketload of fun with various sliderarts, which include heart sliders, rotationally symmetrical wiggles and a massive loop thing with handlebars. Should I bother to post them here? I wouldn't want to inundate the thread with my pratting around.
ziin
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it's off by 2 pixels
RandomJibberish
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I'm pretty sure Jar sliders are improving and getting less pointy. I don't really mind them anyway, it's Jarby charm.

Oh, and we love a bit of pratting around
D33d
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Pratting around, you say? Okay, have a load of sliders which are a bit more fancy than stitching together arcs and lines with redpoints.

LOOP SLIDER:

SPOILER

CIRCLE WRAP:

SPOILER

KRISS-KROSS:

SPOILER

ROTATIONALLY SYMMETRICAL WIGGLE:

SPOILER

HEART SLIDER:

SPOILER

This... Thing.

SPOILER

Note that I'm not trying to sell these as perfect sliders or anything, but I've been having a lot of fun with them recently and I tend to get a kick out of sharing this sort of thing so yeah.
Verdisphena
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Thanks!, this guide help me so much, specially in loops
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D33d wrote:

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Sakura
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BD's first slider made me think of Taurus symbol (and why all of a sudden i want to see sliders that resemble the zodiacal symbols?)
D33d
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Blue Dragon wrote:

D33d wrote:

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I'm basically going to do such ridiculous things as those in the future, but for now, I want to keep it as silly as that handlebar loop.

By the way, I'm curious to see the control points for those sliders.

Also, it's funny that Sakura should mention zodiac signs, because I kind of want to do a Libra slider pattern. That would be so sexy.
Derekku
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Protip: I automatically love anyone who makes sliders like those.
Verdisphena
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How can you make sliders like those ಠ_ಠ
Derekku
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Verdisphena wrote:

How can you make sliders like those ಠ_ಠ
Imaginationnnnnnnnn













Also red anchors :v
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Blue Dragon wrote:

Whyyyy are the first and last sharp corners not directly on ticks you monster. THEY'RE SO CLOSE.
Krisom
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Sakura Hana wrote:

BD's first slider made me think of Taurus symbol (and why all of a sudden i want to see sliders that resemble the zodiacal symbols?)
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/148154 Capricorn
Capricorn is kinda ugly. Also the symbol has 2 ways of being written but I like this way more.

http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/148159 Cancer
This loop was hella hard to do with the acr after it. Actually it's ugly if you're really picky (like me...)

http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/148160 Gemini
Quite easy actually, there's an uglyness on the arcs though, look carefully.

I'll leave the rest to whomever wants to do the rest.
Sorry for the OT
Soaprman
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http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/148166 Scorpio
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/148167 Taurus

Scorpio is unrankable though, what a shame :(
Derekku
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Krisom wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/148159 Cancer
Not perfect, but sexy.
mm201
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But aren't there 2 types of Kris-Krosses?

The Inchworm:


The Sidewinder:
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mm201 wrote:

The Inchworm:
That looks sexy
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mm201 wrote:

The Inchworm:
To reference a map of mine, just to show how I butchered that


or this, but don't know if that counts
RandomJibberish
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narakucrimson said: "Let there be a slider inspiration gallery!" - and then it was so.
Gonzvlo
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Silly sliders.

SPOILER



Verdisphena
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Gonzvlo wrote:

Silly sliders.

SPOILER



This count like a silly slider?
SPOILER
ziin
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that would be tremendous if it were symmetrical...
Armin
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I hope to put something of really useful here, btw here you are some ideas:

Xmas' tree

SPOILER

Extended Loops

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Crushed slider

SPOILER

Spirals
(with and without anchor points)

SPOILER


Heart sliders
SPOILER


Other stuff/patterns (please read notes where is needed)
SPOILER





(<- you need to use a velocity slider's varation here)
(<- classic shape, just with a little varation: there's an anchor point that helps you to make the slider in a short time)




(for a good flow)
Lilac
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I fail at stuff like this.
mm201
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I loled
Please tell me that's Bad Apple! :D
Derekku
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mm201 wrote:

I loled
Please tell me that's Bad Apple! :D
Nah, it's just a badly made apple.

*rimshot*

ps lily ily
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Bookmarking this thread because it's an awesome guide for rookie mappers like me. ;)
Mentalism1
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this looks so complicated
RandomJibberish
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It isn't too difficult once you get the hang of it. Just follow it step by step, and don't be afraid to ask if you have problems.
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I forgot if this has already been mentioned, but in the case of sliders (especially arcs) looking too squishy/pointy, ensure that the points are equidistant from each other. I see a lot of symmetrical sliders which look squishy or pointy, when they could easily be made smoother by some simple adjustments.
Mentalism1
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where did you get the osu! stream skin
RandomJibberish
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It's available to osu!stream mappers for mapping purposes. No, you can't have it.
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oh okay
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Hi~
Some Sliders.

SPOILER





bossandy
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I make some slider >_<

Good slider

Sheep??

Rabbit!

>_<


mm201
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mm201 wrote:

Holy shit, that actually works flawlessly. I'm guessing that it's always a difference of one grid?
Mentalism1
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it is so hard for me
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you people call these SLIDERS
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yes
Derekku
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OzzyOzrock wrote:

you people call these SLIDERS
I call them calculus and trigonometry!
Mentalism1
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what are those
Lilac
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mm201 wrote:

I loled
Please tell me that's Bad Apple! :D
Yes, it was a solo map I did.
Breeze
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I think it could be called "roller coaster" slider

Derekku
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Slider node art!
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Derekku wrote:

Slider node art!
This.

The slider type kinda kills the slider itself for me, though. I think it'd look much nicer with mmsliders. Right now the slider type makes it non-symmetrical-looking. D:
mm201
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D33d wrote:

mm201 wrote:

Holy shit, that actually works flawlessly. I'm guessing that it's always a difference of one grid?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bézier_spline#Approximating_circular_arcs[/url]

So, to be picky, it's 55.22847498%. The smaller the arc, the fewer grids/osupixels of difference.
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mm201 wrote:

D33d wrote:

Holy shit, that actually works flawlessly. I'm guessing that it's always a difference of one grid?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bézier_spline#Approximating_circular_arcs[/url]

So, to be picky, it's 55.22847498%. The smaller the arc, the fewer grids/osupixels of difference.
Close enough in any case. Any slight differences can be adjusted anyway, and I'm already having a much easier time with elbows.
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o.o
Vendetta Slider
Shield Slider
o-o
these count in the group? =3=
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I find using the Reverse selection (Ctrl+R) very useful in making sliders symmetrical. That way you know the corrdinates of the endpoint.

EDIT: Though this is a good tutorial
D33d
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BeatofIke wrote:

I find using the Reverse selection (Ctrl+R) very useful in making sliders symmetrical. That way you know the corrdinates of the endpoint.

EDIT: Though this is a good tutorial
That's basically the same as ctrl+H.
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And reverse can ruin the slider
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Probably the best way to make symmetrical sliders is to make make a copy of your slider and paste a quarter note after your original slider. Then do the horizontal flip/reversing before trying to align the nodes to fit the shape. That way you have a constant replica that you can follow at all times.
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Derekface Butterfly

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OzzyOzrock wrote:

And reverse can ruin the slider
Not if the sliderend lines up with the last point properly, or if the second to last point is a red one.
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RandomJibberish wrote:

OzzyOzrock wrote:

And reverse can ruin the slider
Not if the sliderend lines up with the last point properly, or if the second to last point is a red one.
Is THAT why you used to abuse redpoints?

GONZ WHAT IS THAT MONSTROSITY

I THOUGHT THAT YOU WERE PUNCHING TERRORISTS, NOT BEING ONE
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Actually I used to abuse redpoints because the threshold of where the slider snaps back to the next tick was too low - it was impossible to line the sliderend up with the last node. I was always too lazy to endpoint nudge like mm or witchcraft symmetrify like m980, so I did the redpoint thing.
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Oh oh oh, I know that heart sliders are old news, but I felt like sharing this heart slider that I made for Jarby a while back, because I'm still reasonably pleased with it.



One of these days, this medley will be finished.

DEEDUPDATE: I tried to make a spiral slider.

mm201
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Use the Scale tool to grow that spiral enough so that its borders don't touch.
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How do you do the sign for infinity (an 8 lying down) with a relatively short slider?

My current one looks like this: http://gyazo.com/fdc74d9ce6807d6bd73774e31e609252

Please help me
mm201
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One option would be to use the elbow / lazy arc method:
SPOILER

And then rotate 45°:
SPOILER

Use the Scale tool to shrink it to taste. Some start cap jossling might be necessary.
It's just plain impossible to give very small sliders complicated shapes.
I wouldn't dare shrink it any smaller than:
Realazy
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This is sexy.
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I has stuff... o3o

Please don't ask what this is... it's like... a heart... thing....

My attempt at a symmetrical blanket...

thingy

M thingy

I'm just impressed with the inner curve I made

Serpent thingy, lazy circle ftw

Big thing called ugly by some and off-screen points ;_;

Little wiggle

Watering can...?

Yeah... they probably all suck, but I love them anyway... XD
D33d
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Learn to use fewer nodes. Your life will be a lot easier that way.

Also, somebody needs to come up with a tidy way of making spirals, because I haven't seen them made without a messy mess of points.
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THERE IS NO WAAAAY
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RandomJibberish wrote:

THERE IS NO WAAAAY
There has to be one! Help me on my quest to make osu!stream-worthy spirals.
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Construct a perfect spiral in illustrator or something, export as image, set as background, line up slider, scale as needed. That should work.
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Is this an okay way of making wave sliders?
mm201
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m980 used to make some that way a long time ago. It's harder to get them looking as smooth as with other methods.
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Yeah, just use nodes. It's not hard to make sliders without the anchor in the middle--just move points around until you have two smooth arcs.
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Oh man this thread is awesome hnng.Mappers should pay more attention to the sliders, some make you want to

RandomJibberish wrote:

commit suicide
Its really a pain to mod, I swear to god If I see a map with bad sliders, I'll link this thread in my modpost.
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Lolicore Flandre wrote:

Oh man this thread is awesome hnng.Mappers should pay more attention to the sliders, some make you want to

RandomJibberish wrote:

commit suicide
Its really a pain to mod, I swear to god If I see a map with bad sliders, I'll link this thread in my modpost.
Good. RJ created this thread in order to save time during his own mods. However, bear in mind that some sliders don't have to be perfect if they're simple, although it definitely helps if they are. Such basics as making tidy sliders and patterns ought to be imposed on mappers more often, especially those who are new. Jarby pestered me countless times to look at this thread until I got sliders right and I have few problems with them now.

DEEDIT: Just a happy little contribution with some circle size 2 blankets (AR0 to show distant objects):

Interlocking magic.



Almost a 'Glamorous Sky' overlap, but AR3 + slider snaking prevents the overlap elegantly.



Not totally perfect, but I had to take the bottom slider out of snap and it took forever to make it work at all:



Fancy circular blanketing:



Horizontal symmetry is created with circles (yes, they line up perfectly):

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D33d oh my hnng

also what I saw today




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Lolicore Flandre wrote:

D33d oh my hnng

also what I saw today




so tasty \:D/
D33d
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That's just more effort than is needed. Why they couldn't create those chevrons out of five points is beyond me. Never mind the fact that they could just copy one slider and rotate it, but they probably haven't met the rotate tool.
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No matter how hard I try, I can never ever make good looking sliders. ;_;
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