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PyP Video Game Mafia [MAFIA+SURVIVOR] - Dr. Hitter Escapes!

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bmin11
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bmin11
The gut votting is something pieguy does every single mafia game, but I agree that vote is practically yelling "Lets bandwagon that lurker he didn't even responded to the prod ahhh". The other thing I'm feeling uncomfortable was this quote

pieguy1372 wrote:

2. That wasn't a serious HoS

3. That wasn't a serious HoS
You are implying your HoS to not serious at all and you weren't being suspicious of LS (which the claim itself doesn't make sense to start with). It seems to me pieguy really, I mean really by really not wanting any kinds of suspicion over him. He basically overreacted to such early suspicion and I'm getting a scum read from this


Vote: pieguy1372



P.S. Why am I bringing this up now? Because we were too busy discussing over Salvage's guilt and I totally forgot about it.
bmin11
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Joined October 2008
bmin11
And Salvage, I would have voted you multiple times already if it wasn't for your Tracker/Watcher claim =ㅅ=... This is really painful
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
yea, now that we're probabbly not even gonna do what i suggested i'm gonna die anyways N1 cause i just got 2 mafia, but whatever.
bmin11
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Joined October 2008
bmin11
OKAY SUPPLY A GOOD REASONING. THAT'S ALL IT REALLY REQUIRES US TO TAKE YOUR POSTS SERIOUSLY
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
Wojjan reacted like if he'd know adam would flip mafia so he would be next .. so now i'm pretty sure they both are mafia, there you have my good reasoning i'd higly appreciate you take my post seriously and follow me now, since that's a way to proove myself also if there is a smart doctor to save me n1.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan

Salvage wrote:

Wojjan reacted like if he'd know adam would flip mafia so he would be next .. so now i'm pretty sure they both are mafia, there you have my good reasoning i'd higly appreciate you take my post seriously and follow me now, since that's a way to proove myself also if there is a smart doctor to save me n1.
that made so little sense. Not bothering with a vote out of nowhere means I know he's maf?
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11

Salvage wrote:

Wojjan reacted like if he'd know adam would flip mafia so he would be next .. so now i'm pretty sure they both are mafia, there you have my good reasoning i'd higly appreciate you take my post seriously and follow me now, since that's a way to proove myself also if there is a smart doctor to save me n1.
A single vote is not as influential as you think, specially on a game where we have 19 players. I think you are drawing hasty conclusion.


P.S. Taking you post seriously doesn't necessarly means I'm agreeing with you. Atleast, it was good to know your thoughts. Just for advice, always have your reasonings with you whenever you are accusing someone. It really makes you look more town than a "Vote. Aha! you must be mafia" posts.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
Before you can be Two you have to be right once or twice
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
cool then wojjan i guess u won't have any problem voting for adam then?
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
yes I would because I think he's town
bmin11
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bmin11

bmin11 wrote:

A single vote is not as influential as you think
Now I feel bad for being ignored :(
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
why ignored? people read this thread and hopefully will realize that i'm right and follow me too atleast in this, it's pretty much obvious right now that wojjan it's mafia also so adam or wojjan being lynched it's fine for me.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
you really don't need to say so four times, we read the thread. We got your FoS the first time.
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
The way I recommand you to play is to counter argue whatever you think it's wrong. You can't just simply read and ignore the post without an input if you disagree to the post. What it really does is hurting the town if you stop discussing with other people.




Or did you choose to only listen to LS, Rolled, Wojjan, Lyby, and foulcoon's posts? Okay that's good I'll vote for you if that's the case
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
That's not the case and i never mentioned foulcoon in the post, in fact i said i forgot to put you there .. that group of people it's the people i just expected to come with good plans, not the people i 'listen' i read everything and pay attention to everything, and that's why i'm asking you to trust me in this one ..

since i'm leaning towards trusting you're town here, for the rest of the people who reads this, realize that a lynch on me it's not a good option (also to point out that Wojjan suggested that) since i roleclaimed an important pro-town role ..


it could be a lie? sure, but what if it's not and you end up lynching a good role? i can be prooven telling te truth in no time anyways, plus i'm almost 100% sure adam/wojjan or even both of them are mafia, i already stated why i think that and wojjan just came here to solidify my toughts about it, so since i already told everything about it i'd love if you guys really want to win to trust me.
adam2046
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Joined April 2008
adam2046

Salvage wrote:

i read everything and pay attention to everything
Well we already know that's not true at all.

Salvage wrote:

i'm almost 100% sure adam/wojjan or even both of them are mafia
Almost 100%
It's fucking day 1. You are not a mafia genius. Stop digging yourself a hole.
I don't want someone who claimed to be lynched day 1, but you're certainly not helping yourself with your attitude and actions. I want Wojjan lynched, more than you do, but you're making it extremely hard for me to not vote you instead entirely out of distaste.

For srs.
bmin11
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bmin11
I'm not sure about Wojjan, but I'm willing to lynch pieguy for reasons a page back. I would have to wait for pieguy to come back I guess.
Mara
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Mara
Hey guys what's going on this mafia thr-

OH SNAP

I am keeping my vote for now. I don't see anything wrong with pieguy - he should just tell us about his gut feeling.
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
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KRZY

LunaticMara wrote:

Hey guys what's going on this mafia thr-

OH SNAP

VOTE LUNATICMARA
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
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KRZY
just kidding actually

Unvote
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
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KRZY
Sorry for the triple post but

bmin11 wrote:

The way I recommand you to play

bmin11 wrote:

recommand

bmin11 wrote:

recommand
Really now bmin
pieguyn
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Joined May 2009
pieguyn
@LunaticMara: From what I've seen, everything that's happened so far has just seemed like town members arguing with each other. It doesn't seem to me like anyone has any behind-the-scenes plan of some sort (which if they were mafia, it would be to get Salvage or someone else lynched). Because of this, I'm inclined to say that inactive players are more likely to be mafia, and I singled out DxS because he was posting just a bit as if not to get called out for not posting. It's just a gut feeling but it's the best I can do >.<

Salvage did roleclaim tracker/watcher, so I don't want to vote him for now, but the problem is tracker and watcher aren't used that often so even if it was fake no one could call him out on it. IMO, the best thing to do is to leave him for now and lynch someone else, and if we get some contradictions later we can go back and lynch him.

@bmin: I only did that because LS was taking it seriously, when it was mostly a joke :?

However, FoS adam2046, Wojjan
Wanting to lynch Salvage even though it's not the right move (and with adam, he specifically said it). I have a gut feeling Wojjan is town, not so much on adam2046 though. adam2046 has also been rather inactive (compared to others), which fits what I said before.
Rolled
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Rolled

Salvage wrote:

realize that a lynch on me it's not a good option (also to point out that Wojjan suggested that) since i roleclaimed an important pro-town role ..
This is exactly what makes your claim so hard to believe. The only pro-town vibe you're supplying is your roleclaim, which you have very blatantly acknowledged to be a power-role. Obviously WIFOM, but if you were mafia on the verge of being lynched, you'd roleclaim a power role.

Also, your wording of the above sentence is what is pushing me over the edge. "Since I roleclaimed an important pro-town role. Rather than "I am/have an important pro-town role." I know it's minor, but putting together all the pieces, I'm confident enough to Vote: Salvage

I've considered letting Salvage live until D2 but honestly, how credible will his information be? I'm confident that the information we get from his death will be more credible and useful than anything he can supply D2.

Not to mention like half the posts in this thread have been from Salvage, and 1/8th of Salvage's posts have been informative.
Salvage
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Salvage
if you read my entire post i'm stating things since the town point of view, so of course i won't say "i AM a pro-town role" cause you guys do not know that for sure ..
Salvage
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Joined January 2010
Salvage

Rolled wrote:

I've considered letting Salvage live until D2 but honestly, how credible will his information be? I'm confident that the information we get from his death will be more credible and useful than anything he can supply D2.

Not to mention like half the posts in this thread have been from Salvage, and 1/8th of Salvage's posts have been informative.


also how my death could give any information AT ALL? you guys will be back at square one loosing an important informative role without any need of doing so, cause there are so many ways to proove my self town that it doesn't even make sense to lynch me now.


oh and my post haven't been informative? i already gave 2 mafia member names, that people doesn't listen to me cause it's my 3rd game doesn't mean that my post weren't informative.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
We won't be at square one. You're already forgetting about investigators.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
i'm one of them and you're gonna lynch me in that situation.



anyways i'm goin out now, back in a few hours guys ..
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Hmm... after doing some research, I came across this.

There's nothing about infiltrators.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
akrolsmir is replacing Backfire.
akrolsmir
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Joined November 2010
akrolsmir
Hi guys, I'm reading the thirty pages of stuff right now. Would it help if I claimed?
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
No, and that could make you as suspicious as Salvage.
akrolsmir
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Joined November 2010
akrolsmir
Alright, so I don't think we really need to lynch Salvage just yet- just leave him for the scum without protection. If the most useful aux role known so far is left alive, I would think he's lying and then we could lynch him tomorrow. Of course this is subject to as much WIFOM as you like, because Mafia could choose not to kill him just so we'd lynch him, but either way we can worry about it tomorrow, when we have aux results that could help sort it out.

Pieguy, I know that you're always gutting people, so that may not be a scumtell but I don't think it's productive either way. As town it's not likely to be right, and as scum it gives you an excuse to vote without an excuse. If you suspect someone without real reason, perhaps keep it to yourself or ISO that person to see if you can find an explanation.

LS seems quiet, I don't know if having nothing to say is a town excuse to be overlooked for the NK or a scum excuse lurk. Or you really can't think of anything, which no doubt you will claim. FoS, in any case

Vote: DxS for saying absolutely nothing.
LadySuburu
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Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

akrolsmir wrote:

Or you really can't think of anything, which no doubt you will claim.
Pretty much. I've already stated that I think both pieguy and Salvage are potentially scum (Alongside DxS for doing nothing but correcting the votecount after NoHItter posted it), but I'm not the type to lynch a claimed power role on D1, and I have certain suspicions about DxS's role.

As for pieguy, I'm just not sure enough to vote him yet. Other than that, no there's been nothing new that really stands out. Not much different than D1 any other game at the moment.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
Also, I have a friend over at the house right now, so I won't be on long to read. Though, I will check back occasionally.
adam2046
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adam2046

pieguy1372 wrote:

However, FoS adam2046, Wojjan
Wanting to lynch Salvage even though it's not the right move (and with adam, he specifically said it). I have a gut feeling Wojjan is town, not so much on adam2046 though. adam2046 has also been rather inactive (compared to others), which fits what I said before.
I'm sorry, do you mind pointing out the part where I'm actually voting Salvage? Because I'm pretty sure I'm not.
I have only slightly more posts than you in this thread, too.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
You didn't vote him but
I want Wojjan lynched, more than you do, but you're making it extremely hard for me to not vote you instead entirely out of distaste.
Voting someone out of distaste doesn't make sense IMO :?
bmin11
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bmin11
"gut" "distate"




I did not see the day coming. I think you are pushing a tad too far with this. What are you trying to pull out of this? It almost seems like if you are backing up Salvage (with bad attempts).

And having those HoS as a "joke" is really not what town should be doing. HoS is a strong action and you are only just disillusioning us if you are HoSing someone as a "joke". Heck, did you actually expected the person to take HoS as a joke in the first place? Why not just RV next time since that's milder.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
Yeah, as if this obvious line
(Not a serious HoS btw :P)
along with an obviously invalid reason isn't enough to make it completely disregardable...

Also, I'm just posting defenses for myself, which is IMO one of the things you're supposed to do in this game. Everything else is my thoughts on what's going on, which might include me saying I don't think someone else is mafia. Also (again), don't make me reiterate my speech about gut voting D1...
Rantai
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Rantai
Yay internet.

pieguy, don't make me reiterate my points on why I don't think gut voting is an appropriate course of action.

Actually your constant suspicion hopping is giving me a headache, more so than Salvage's posts (at least he isn't unconfident in his suspicions, just extremely arrogant). It's like a case of "it's him, no him, no wait him!"

Make up your mind, Vote: pieguy
foulcoon
osu! Alumni
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foulcoon
hi, posting

looks like we have more time than I though (7 days, not 5) which is a good thing.

this whole ISO thing really seems like its helping people notice a lot more small shit that they wouldn't before. The whole pieguy thing earlier in the game doesn't seem like much of a reason to vote him, but then again I haven't ever really seen him act like that before in any other game (meta).

From what I saw while looking at the ISOs, Mara doesn't really seem to be contributing much of anything. Also fishie kinda fell off the map after people didn't follow Salvage onto the bandwagon. DxS is being DxS again... I don't really understand why he fucking signs up anymore. Other than that I don't have much to add.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
mod: votecount please?

I only changed suspicions once, from LunaticMara to DxS. (I still think DxS is the most suspicious.) I haven't changed my mind since then, so I'm not sure exactly what you mean. >.>
NoHitter
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NoHitter
VOTE COUNT:
Salvage (5) - fishie, LunaticMara, Wojjan, foulcoon, Rolled
DeathxShinigami (2) - pieguy1372, akrolsmir
pieguy1372 (2) - bmin11, Rantai
fishie (1) Lybydose
akrolsmir (1) - DeathxShinigami
Wojjan (1) - adam2046
Mashley (1) - Lilac
adam2046 (1) - Salvage

Not Voting (5) - Swiftwolf Yellowtail, Jaqennn, LadySuburu, Mashley, KRZY
foulcoon
osu! Alumni
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foulcoon

NoHItter wrote:

Jaqennn has asked for a replacement.
did he just decide to keep playing or something?
adam2046
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adam2046

pieguy1372 wrote:

Voting someone out of distaste doesn't make sense IMO :?
Again.
I didn't vote for him.
Is this so hard to understand?
Rantai
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Rantai

pieguy1372 wrote:

mod: votecount please?

I only changed suspicions once, from LunaticMara to DxS. (I still think DxS is the most suspicious.) I haven't changed my mind since then, so I'm not sure exactly what you mean. >.>
I won't include your joke HoS (though arguably it is distracting)


RVS (yeah, I know, RVS) --> First --> Second --> Third

Before you say you didn't vote them (third), you are still suspicious of them, hence suspicion hopping.
NoHitter
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NoHitter

foulcoon wrote:

did he just decide to keep playing or something?
I'm still waiting for a reply from rust45.
pieguyn
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pieguyn

adam2046 wrote:

I didn't vote for him.
You said you wanted to, though... I know you didn't actually, but it's still not a good idea. :? (And wow, did you even pay attention to my post? I even said you didn't vote for him)

Rantai wrote:

RVS (yeah, I know, RVS) --> First --> Second --> Third

Before you say you didn't vote them (third), you are still suspicious of them, hence suspicion hopping.
...>.> It would only be suspicion hopping if I suddenly wasn't suspicious of DxS. Although I didn't explicitly state it, I still find DxS to be the most suspicious. This should have been implied by not unvoting him. I just became suspicious of more people. (And the very first one was a RV) Thus, the only time my suspicion really changed was from the first non-RV to the second one.

Really, it seems to me like you both are accusing me without any regard to what my posts really say. In other words, trying to interpret my posts in order to make them sound like they mean something different, in order to mislead people. Maybe I just wasn't clear enough and you all are doing this because it's D1 and you want any possible lead you can get, but that's exactly one of the goals of the mafia.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
...and it seems I misworded something

pieguy1372 wrote:

Maybe I just wasn't clear enough and you all are doing this because it's D1 and you want any possible lead you can get, but that's exactly one of the goals of the mafia.
One of the goals of the mafia is to mislead people, not to come up with possible leads. The latter one is more a towntell~
Rantai
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Rantai
Guess my gripe is unclear.

Your suspicions at this moment are based on 'gut', so essentially nothing for all practical purposes. Then you start spouting more suspicions based on nothing while dismissing the previous ones (this only applies to First and Second) based on nothing. Then you moved on to your Third set with some HoS's, immediately dismissing one (within the text) with no reasoning again.

Funny enough the only time you had some sort of reasoning behind the suspicions was your HoS of adam which makes me wonder why your votes (which are based on less, as far as I'm concerned) take precedence over your HoS.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
I gave my reasoning for DxS (second one) here.

My LunaticMara vote (first one) had little reasoning (compared to future votes) because there wasn't much information, and was entirely a gut feeling. Then, I changed it because my gut feeling on DxS was stronger and more reliable due to additional information. Did you really think I would want to keep a vote with far less reason? ><

When I removed my previous vote after making my LunaticMara (first) vote, there was nothing to the previous vote at all since it was a RV, so there should be no problem with removing it. Listing that as a reason doesn't make much sense IMO.

oh wait, I remember the time I had a gut feeling on you ever since D1 and you were mafia, perhaps you and DxS are both mafia this time?
adam2046
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adam2046
Pieguy, the most important part is that I'm not voting him. The one who doesn't understand is you.
I said that I was considering voting out of distaste to emphasize that I really didn't like how Salvage was acting. I know exactly how much of a good idea it would be. You're making a deal out of nothing.
Now if I were actually voting him for that reason I could understand being suspicious of me, but you're basing your entire suspicion of me on a single vote that hasn't happened and probably wont happen.

Man pieguy, I'm considering voting you because I don't like your signature.
Rantai
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Joined July 2010
Rantai

pieguy1372 wrote:

I gave my reasoning for DxS (second one) here.
Why didn't you just say that when you first voted DxS?

Or did you need time to think of a way to justify your vote. (Really only you know, so much WIFOM)


pieguy1372 wrote:

My LunaticMara vote (first one) had little reasoning (compared to future votes) because there wasn't much information, and was entirely a gut feeling. Then, I changed it because my gut feeling on DxS was stronger and more reliable due to additional information. Did you really think I would want to keep a vote with far less reason? ><
Why make the vote in the first place (Mara's one), it had the same weight as an RVS you might as well not have done anything in that regard.

That one comes off as you were forcing a vote to look like you're doing *something*.

pieguy1372 wrote:

When I removed my previous vote after making my LunaticMara (first) vote, there was nothing to the previous vote at all since it was a RV, so there should be no problem with removing it. Listing that as a reason doesn't make much sense IMO.
Of course, I am not associating that RVS to my disagreement with you.

Oh! I see where that was misleading, I only have a problem starting from Mara's vote onwards to clear that up, sorry.

pieguy1372 wrote:

oh wait, I remember the time I had a gut feeling on you ever since D1 and you were mafia, perhaps you and DxS are both mafia this time?
Oh wait, I remember that game where you gut voted a lot and I had my self doubts and you were mafia, maybe you and Salvage are mafia this time?

<3
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Looking for a replacement for Jaqennn.
Mara
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Mara

akrolsmir wrote:

Vote: DxS for saying absolutely nothing.
Actually, this sounds pretty bad and needs to be fixed.

Vote: DxS

Wanna tell some stories, DxS?
Mashley
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Mashley
Agreed
Vote DxS
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
FoS akrilsmir

Are you implying to lynch the lurkers?
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
Vote: DxS

Hate my role, hate this game.

Rather be used as fodder than requesting for a replacement.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
no. ask for a replacement.
pieguyn
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pieguyn

adam2046 wrote:

Pieguy, the most important part is that I'm not voting him. The one who doesn't understand is you.
Did you read my post? The most important part is that you wanted to vote for him, regardless of the fact that you didn't. (OT: Do you actually know what my signature says? :P)

Rantai wrote:

pieguy1372 wrote:

I gave my reasoning for DxS (second one) here.
Why didn't you just say that when you first voted DxS?

Or did you need time to think of a way to justify your vote. (Really only you know, so much WIFOM)
At the time I wasn't exactly sure why DxS seemed suspicious to me, but after some time I figured it out.

pieguy1372 wrote:

My LunaticMara vote (first one) had little reasoning (compared to future votes) because there wasn't much information, and was entirely a gut feeling. Then, I changed it because my gut feeling on DxS was stronger and more reliable due to additional information. Did you really think I would want to keep a vote with far less reason? ><
Why make the vote in the first place (Mara's one), it had the same weight as an RVS you might as well not have done anything in that regard.

That one comes off as you were forcing a vote to look like you're doing *something*.
I made that vote because at that point in time, I thought LunaticMara was the most suspicious. Thus, it has more weight than an RV.

pieguy1372 wrote:

oh wait, I remember the time I had a gut feeling on you ever since D1 and you were mafia, perhaps you and DxS are both mafia this time?
Oh wait, I remember that game where you gut voted a lot and I had my self doubts and you were mafia, maybe you and Salvage are mafia this time?

<3
but that doesn't count because I lost that game D7 because of a mistake I had made way back on D2 :cry:
adam2046
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adam2046
I give up on you.
OT: Sure.
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami

Wojjan wrote:

no. ask for a replacement.
K, unvote
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir
People are dropping out of this game like... some things that drop a lot. Unvote.

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

FoS akrilsmir

Are you implying to lynch the lurkers?
Er... yes?
---

Something about pieguy doesn't click- I think it's how much emphasis he puts into justifying his actions by saying "this is how town should play", "this is how mafia would play", etc. If you're genuine, why do you feel the need to reinforce it so much? It's not really a strong indicator, but enough to make me suspicious.

Vote: Mashley- a few posts, but mostly one-liners or bandwagon votes with no analysis on your own part. Trying to get by without doing any work?
Mashley
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Mashley

akrolsmir wrote:

Trying to get by without doing any work?
Yep!
Salvage
590 posts
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Salvage
okay i'm back, even tho i already said like thousands of times that i know 2 mafia members and nobody listens to me i find a Mashley lynch better than anyone else cause he's pretty suspicious so fair enough.


vote: Mashley
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
More lurker lynches, and people following up on the bandwagon. Hmm.
Wojjan
806 posts
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Wojjan

Salvage wrote:

okay i'm back, even tho i already said like thousands of times that i know 2 mafia members and nobody listens to me i find a Mashley lynch better than anyone else cause he's pretty suspicious so fair enough.


vote: Mashley
Oh my gooood scum harder! HOw can you seriously scumpaint two people and VOTE SOMEONE ELSE and get away with it?!
Salvage
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Salvage

Wojjan wrote:

Salvage wrote:

okay i'm back, even tho i already said like thousands of times that i know 2 mafia members and nobody listens to me i find a Mashley lynch better than anyone else cause he's pretty suspicious so fair enough.


vote: Mashley
Oh my gooood scum harder! HOw can you seriously scumpaint two people and VOTE SOMEONE ELSE and get away with it?!


I really won't listen to you're stuff anymore cause since a few pages back i know you're mafia, the thing is that i can't get you lynched cause people doesn't trust me, sadly for town i guess, i don't have even a bit of a doubt that you aren't.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
You still haven't stated how you know that he is mafia.
Salvage
590 posts
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Salvage
oh yes i did, several times.
Rolled
osu! Alumni
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Rolled
Salvage is basically just trolling now with a false sense of security.

But it seems like people are just asking to get lynched on D1, seriously. Mashley, DxS, Salvage. Seriously if you guys don't want to play then don't sign up or just ask for a replacement now. It's idlers and these anti-town townies who have our Day 1 so clusterfucked right now.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Then show it.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
..that last post was supposed to be directed at Salvage.
Salvage
590 posts
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Salvage
what are you talking about?.


1. i'm not trolling with anything, i'm 100% sure Wojjan it's mafia.
2. not asking to get lynched, i'm just giving my opinions, i can see how i'm suspicious tho, but regardless of it i can proove that i'm town in no time.
3. hm i want to play more than you idk what you're talking about.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
..I wanted you to show proof that you've mentioned it multiple times. You didn't.
Salvage
590 posts
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Salvage
read page 29 and 30.
bmin11
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bmin11
Just show us the damn reasoning for why you think Wojjan is mafia


EDIT: ninja'd
Salvage
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Salvage
I know Wojjan gameplay being mafia just trying to play distant with his partners on D1, and he's playing this way like A LOT with adam this game, then when i point something about it he tries to cover it but he's not willing to lynch he's mafia partner cause "he thinks he's town" with no reason to believe it, and adam it's playing to deffend people time after another and that's pretty scum imo.
adam2046
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adam2046

Salvage wrote:

and adam it's playing to deffend people time after another and that's pretty scum imo.
Huh?
Salvage
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Salvage
yea i'm not sure about you adam, but you're tied to wojjan so that's what makes me think you're mafia mostly .. and i'm sure about him.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
While I do admit Wojjan is being aggressive, I will state this: Aggressiveness is not a scumtell.

Now, going back to page 30:

Salvage wrote:

That's not the case and i never mentioned foulcoon in the post, in fact i said i forgot to put you there .. that group of people it's the people i just expected to come with good plans, not the people i 'listen' i read everything and pay attention to everything, and that's why i'm asking you to trust me in this one ..
I do that, too. It's called analyzing.
since i'm leaning towards trusting you're town here, for the rest of the people who reads this, realize that a lynch on me it's not a good option (also to point out that Wojjan suggested that) since i roleclaimed an important pro-town role ..
I'm gonna pull a similar tactic that was pulled on me last game: "I CLAIMED TOWN THAT MEANS IM CONFIRMED TOWN!!!!!!!!!1111111111" This is totally not true.
it could be a lie? sure, but what if it's not and you end up lynching a good role?
You didn't even think about the complete opposite.
i can be prooven telling te truth in no time anyways,
Given the roles you've been getting in the previous games, that's highly unlikely. Plus the fact that this is PyP.
plus i'm almost 100% sure adam/wojjan or even both of them are mafia,
"Almost 100%" is just the same as saying you're 95%, or even less. It's a bit contradicting.
i already stated why i think that and wojjan just came here to solidify my toughts about it, so since i already told everything about it i'd love if you guys really want to win to trust me.
So far, we're not believing you, and you actually haven't stated why. All you did was babble on and on about why you're right and why we shouldn't lynch you.



...after doing a little bit more searching, I found this toward the end of page 29:
Wojjan reacted like if he'd know adam would flip mafia so he would be next
Care to explain?
.. so now i'm pretty sure they both are mafia,
.. so now i'm pretty sure you are still trying to hide something.


Okay, that was a little insulting.
there you have my good reasoning i'd higly appreciate you take my post seriously and follow me now, since that's a way to proove myself also if there is a smart doctor to save me n1.
Asking to be followed and taken seriously. That's funny.


Also, one more thing: Adam and Wojjan could be masons.
Salvage
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Salvage
read a few more post up in this page please swift, no offense but i really don't understand the conclusions you get like "they could be masons" and others..
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Okay, then, you apparently don't know what a mason is. Here you go.
Salvage
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Salvage
I actually really don't want to start discusing you about little things, but i know all the roles and i still think that's not a good conclusion.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Speaking of roles... I want to bring this post back up:

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Hmm... after doing some research, I came across this.

There's nothing about infiltrators.
Salvage
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Salvage
i don't understand your point, you're saying that since there is no such thing as "spy infiltrator" in the mafia wiki then i'm lying? .. it's clearly a made up role by NoHitter, and that's why i'm saying i don't like your conclusions at all.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Also, nice edit.

Original post:

Salvage wrote:

I actually really want to start fighting with you right now, but i know all the roles and i still think that's not a good conclusion.
New post:

Salvage wrote:

I actually really don't want to start discusing you about little things, but i know all the roles and i still think that's not a good conclusion.
bmin11
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bmin11
Can you explain Wojjan being afraid Adam flipping mafia? I want you to write in a format of...

Theory: Wojjan is mafia if Adam flips to be mafia

Reason: You write down why Wojjan would be mafia if adam flips to be mafia. DO NOT CONCLUDE on this stage, but just carefully explain.

Evidence: You post Wojjan's or Adam's posts that backs up your reasoning. This is important, so please do so.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
I highly doubt he's making the roles up, as my role is quite similar to the one shown on the wiki.

No, I'm not roleclaiming. Not today.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Also, nice edit.

Original post:

Salvage wrote:

I actually really want to start fighting with you right now, but i know all the roles and i still think that's not a good conclusion.
New post:

Salvage wrote:

I actually really don't want to start discusing you about little things, but i know all the roles and i still think that's not a good conclusion.
...I just noticed something from this post.

Salvage wrote:

but i know all the roles and i still think that's not a good conclusion.
You know all the roles? It's day one! How the hell do you know this? We haven't even made it to night yet!
bmin11
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bmin11
He means by Roles listed on mafiascum
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
I can kind of see where salvage is coming from, something along the lines of a chainsaw defense being used. You really undermine your own point, though, acting the way you do. Just because we're not lynching you D1 because of your claim, doesn't mean that you're confirmed town and everyone will take your suspicions as fact.

Ah well, the idiocy of the accuser does not indicate the innocence of the accusee. Mashley, I'd like to get you lynched, but for now unvote, vote: adam
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail

bmin11 wrote:

He means by Roles listed on mafiascum
Makes sense. He could've at least said that.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Also, nice edit.

yea i misspeled it D:


bmin11 wrote:

Can you explain Wojjan being afraid Adam flipping mafia? I want you to write in a format of...

Theory: Wojjan is mafia if Adam flips to be mafia

Reason: You write down why Wojjan would be mafia if adam flips to be mafia. DO NOT CONCLUDE on this stage, but just carefully explain.

Evidence: You post Wojjan's or Adam's posts that backs up your reasoning. This is important, so please do so.


oh god is this even nessesary? :


theory: wojjan is mafia if adam flips mafia (not nessesary cause wojjan is mafia anyways that's why i suggest a wojjan lynch instead of adam right now but let's just analyze this situation)


reason: wojjan really trying hard to paly distant with adam and him doing the same (a tell of him playing the same way as mafia on another gmaes) .. and him NOT WANTING us to lynch adam since he knows they're linked and that'll lead to us lynching him after if i was right about adam.


evidene:

adam2046 wrote:

Unvote
Vote: Wojjan

and wojjan didn't say anything at all about it even with RV already done .. then it comes up to the rest of the story that you already know, not feeling like quoting old posts right now.
Wojjan
806 posts
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Wojjan
Me being distant from adam. (read the other posts too btw I'm too lazy to link them all)

he's not willing to lynch he's mafia partner cause "he thinks he's town" with no reason to believe it,
"I'm not lynching adam, that makes me scum."

I don't get this. Am I supposed to think adam is scum for voting me?
Salvage
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Joined January 2010
Salvage
i'm actually trying really hard to show my point since i see i fail pretty often at it, so i'll be glad if we lynch any of them today to show my point even clearer.
Wojjan
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Wojjan

Salvage wrote:

i'm actually trying really hard to show my point since i see i fail pretty often at it, so i'll be glad if we lynch any of them today to show my point even clearer.
so you just want town to trust you on this one? Salvage you got all the scumtells and the kitchen sink so I don't think you're in any position to lead a lynch on anyone if you can't even get your point across.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage

Wojjan wrote:

so you just want town to trust you on this one? Salvage you got all the scumtells and the kitchen sink so I don't think you're in any position to lead a lynch on anyone if you can't even get your point across.


yes i do.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Salvage wrote:

yea i misspeled it D:
Misspelled =/= wrote the sentence wrong. You already misspelled "misspelled".

Salvage wrote:

evidene:

adam2046 wrote:

Unvote
Vote: Wojjan

and wojjan didn't say anything at all about it even with RV already done .. then it comes up to the rest of the story that you already know, not feeling like quoting old posts right now.
I didn't say anything when you voted me. Does that mean we're both scum?


Absolutely not. Plus, I never vote D1.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Salvage wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

so you just want town to trust you on this one? Salvage you got all the scumtells and the kitchen sink so I don't think you're in any position to lead a lynch on anyone if you can't even get your point across.


yes i do.
Good luck with trying to fix your logic.
Mara
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Mara
To be honest with you guys, I don't even understand what the hell is going on here.

All I can say right now is that Salvage is confusing me a lot - loadsa"immatowniebrotrustme"-posts.

Stop being confusing. It's like giving me an AIDS.
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