chamelepeace710 wrote:

Well, stack leniency is something I never learned myself, so I didn't change it or anything.... Should I change it anyway? If so, I'll put in in the next post with lolcube's mod. If not, just lolcube's mod then....

because it doesn't matter. SL .6 means that > 2/1 apart will not move. If you don't care, you may as well change it (Though I don't see why you changed it in the first place, since 7 is default).

fixed nazi in normal, but that's it.

ziin wrote:

chamelepeace710 wrote:

Well, stack leniency is something I never learned myself, so I didn't change it or anything.... Should I change it anyway? If so, I'll put in in the next post with lolcube's mod. If not, just lolcube's mod then....

because it doesn't matter. SL .6 means that > 2/1 apart will not move. If you don't care, you may as well change it (Though I don't see why you changed it in the first place, since 7 is default).

Hmm, thanks, I changed it just so other people won't complain about it. Also added hitsound stuff and applied lolcube's mod.

But I never thought of changing it to 6, maybe someone told me to, or was it just unconsciously... Oh well...

Download: Yoko Shimomura - Weapons Factory (ziin) [Cha-Insane].osu

Your hitbursts have inconsistent dimmenions and are considerably smaller than templateskin's hitbursts i highly recommend you resize them or something.

[Cha-Insane]
00:14:429 (3,4) - Odd place for a jump.
00:20:346 (13) - Looks better if you position it like this: http://puu.sh/4UCs
00:24:462 (3,4) - Yeah these kind of jumps are really misleading unless you're focusing on approach circles.
00:29:093 (8,9,10) - Spacing kinda looks awkward even with your usual jumps
00:50:960 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - This back and forth is really annoying and confusing to play =/ i suggest you just use double stacks instead.
01:50:129 (11,12) - Once again this feels odd for a jump.
01:51:801 (3) - This slider looks like it came outta nowhere, even if it's following something... you barely hear it anywhere at all in the song. (Yeah i know it's following some trrrrr sound in the background, but would make more sense if you mapped each instance of that, otherwise it just feels awkward to have something like this)
02:21:000 (1) - Add hitsound finish?

[Easy]
I love what you did with your sliders and hitsounds here.

Pretty nice map ziin, keep it up, most of the stuff is suggestions, i bolded on cha-insane the stuff i REALLY would love him to change tho, let me know when u want a recheck

Sakura Hana wrote:

[Cha-Insane]
00:14:429 (3,4) - Odd place for a jump. It really starts the song.. But oh well, Changed
00:20:346 (13) - Looks better if you position it like this: http://puu.sh/4UCs Fixed
00:24:462 (3,4) - Yeah these kind of jumps are really misleading unless you're focusing on approach circles. Is this better?
00:29:093 (8,9,10) - Spacing kinda looks awkward even with your usual jumps Fixed
00:50:960 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - This back and forth is really annoying and confusing to play =/ i suggest you just use double stacks instead. Right, I forgot why I even did something awful like that
01:50:129 (11,12) - Once again this feels odd for a jump. Fixed the whole part, someone check again to see if its too crammed.
01:51:801 (3) - This slider looks like it came outta nowhere, even if it's following something... you barely hear it anywhere at all in the song. (Yeah i know it's following some trrrrr sound in the background, but would make more sense if you mapped each instance of that, otherwise it just feels awkward to have something like this) I'm not sure what would fix it, so I put two circles there.
02:21:000 (1) - Add hitsound finish? Hmm, unsure.. It doesn't fit, but it's better than the whistle.... Nah, I'll leave it.

Yeah, I need the recheck.

Download: Yoko Shimomura - Weapons Factory (ziin) [Cha-Insane].osu

chamelepeace710 wrote:

Right, I forgot why I even did something awful like that

probably because I did it (but to a much lesser extent) in inane.

I'll update tomorrowlater today. As far as I know inane has all of the hitsounds 100% accurate to the music, so you can use AIBat to copy the hitsounds into bookmarks so you can compare if you want to. Or I can double check it.

Another tip: if you go into the design tab, scroll to the end, then press play and go into the outro, then go back to compose tab and press z, the song won't play, but the hitsounds will, which will let you hear the hitsounds better, and if you have the boomarks in, you can compare.

ziin wrote:

chamelepeace710 wrote:

Right, I forgot why I even did something awful like that

probably because I did it (but to a much lesser extent) in inane.

I don't remember copying something like that on the beatmap... Again, unconsciously.

ziin wrote:

I'll update tomorrowlater today. As far as I know inane has all of the hitsounds 100% accurate to the music, so you can use AIBat to copy the hitsounds into bookmarks so you can compare if you want to. Or I can double check it.

AIBat? Is that some kind of supporter add-in? Never mind, I found out what it is. And yeah, I need to get those hitsounds right on the music but they aren't perfect yet.

ziin wrote:

Another tip: if you go into the design tab, scroll to the end, then press play and go into the outro, then go back to compose tab and press z, the song won't play, but the hitsounds will, which will let you hear the hitsounds better, and if you have the boomarks in, you can compare.

Hmmm, I played around like that in old beatmaps but I guess it will help if I knew what AIBat was. now.

EDIT: Downloaded AIBat and making hitsound changes....

Oh yeah, forgot to update....

Your message is too short..... bla bla bla bla bla......

Download: Yoko Shimomura - Weapons Factory (ziin) [Cha-Insane].osu

Alright then, we're all set.

kevin can make a choice on 40% volume or 50% volume at any time, but I think it's fine the way it is.

[Easy]
02:07:622 (1,1,1) - how can I describe my feelings while playing this part without using the word "jizzed" multiple times...hmmmmm

Pretty much flawless and brilliant sliders!

[Normal]
01:32:121 (4,5) - I hope this is just a random error and not intentional...a ~5,0x jump in a normal diff surely seems like not intended

Nothing else wrong here

[Kev-Hard]
00:59:449 (2) - those long kicksliders were somewhat unexpected in a way I had to call them "unreadable" - it is ok after playing the map several times and remembering those sliders but that is not how things should be imo (hard and challenging: yes...the need to learn something by heart just to get it right because it feels un-intuitive: no, not imo)
01:02:794 (2) - ^
01:06:138 (2) - ^
01:09:482 (2) - ^
02:09:680 (4) - ^
02:13:025 (4) - ^
02:16:369 (5) - ^
02:19:713 (3) - ^

to clarify: The beat of this song is unusual and the beatplacement is not 100% predictable as in all the mainstream (boring?) nightcore stuff and the likes. Therefore I (the "player") have no clear indication of how many repeats I encounter by looking at the approaching circle of the following note. The uncommon beat also prevents me from guessing those repeats correctly. Maybe it is just me and maybe I'm too stupid to "feel" a 13/8 beat but somehow it really destroyed the flow and intuitive style this map had up to (and after) this point. This however does not apply to normal 1x repeat sliders or the longer multi-repeat sliders with visible turning points.

other than that very good map with great flow (otherwise I wouldn't get so upset maybe...)

[Cha-Insane]
Similar problem with unpredictable kicksliders as in hard but this beeing an insane labeled diff I guess it is completely up to the mapper.

00:59:449 (9,10,11) - this (repeatedly used) pattern plays and sounds a bit weird; maybe delete (11) and move (10) forward to end where (11) used to be? This would be the kind of pattern you used later @02:02:220 (2,3,4,5,6,7) with circles/triplets.

[Inane]
The part after the 01:09:740 (1) spinner is fantastic. The random-repeat kicksliders in the beginning are just as annoying as they are in the other 2 difficulties but I guess it can't be helped.



Overall good mapset with uncommon beat pattern. I dig it. Have a star. +1

p3n wrote:

[Cha-Insane]
Similar problem with unpredictable kicksliders as in hard but this beeing an insane labeled diff I guess it is completely up to the mapper.
Haha, guess not....

00:59:449 (9,10,11) - this (repeatedly used) pattern plays and sounds a bit weird; maybe delete (11) and move (10) forward to end where (11) used to be? This would be the kind of pattern you used later @02:02:220 (2,3,4,5,6,7) with circles/triplets. Hmmm, pretty unnecessary... but if someone else complains about it, I'll think.

Oh and by the way, 13/8 is an odd time sig, but we will have to get used to it. 3/4 and 5/8 was weird at one time, although they are ok enough right now, and we did get used to it at some time.

the short repeating sliders are indeed a bit annoying, but after one play you understand it's 7 notes. Same with the 1/6 streams in inane. I put mine at the beginning so that you get it out of the way quickly.

Ctrl+H on that one on normal, I missed it somehow.

Sorry p3n,but these sliders for me are really readable and i play them without any problem,so I'm not fixing this for now :\

[Easy]
01:20:802 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - Timing on these is really awkward and i tend to 100 more often than not, i recommend you stick to a more constant rythm here (even if it has to be 1/1, you can always use hitsounds to enphasize certain notes).
01:37:266 (4,1,2,3,4,5,1) - ^
01:41:639 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - ^
[...] The rythm doesnt necessarily need to be 1/1 but use something more intuitive, it's pretty hard to predict hitcircles that you dont know if they're gonna be 1/1 or 2/1 (or more) apart (even with a good distance spacing :< )
02:07:622 (1,1,1) - I still love what you did with these sliders =D

sliders to the rescue!

All fixed by rearranging rhythm/putting in sliders.

Alright, let's give this a try, Bubbled~

Sakura Hana wrote:

Alright, let's give this a try, Bubbled~

Yes! Third ranked guest diff here I come!!!

It's about time I check back here and there's not a mod pending, hehe.

[Kev-Hard]
Combo progression feels random. It might be best to follow ziin's stead and do a combo per measure unless there's a strong pattern that asks for a new combo.

[Cha-Insane]
Kind of the same thing with the combos here. At times you use new combos for jumps [00:47:873 (4,1) - ], and others you don't [00:21:118 (3,4) - ]. Keep it consistent.
02:03:249 (8,9,10,11) - These jumps felt a little out of context compared to the rest of the mapping up until this point. Probably the jump distance is too large.

[Inane]
02:06:336 (10,11,12,13,14) - These were kind of lined up oddly considering the fairly straight pattern base adhering for the earlier end of the combo, but they play fine. *shrug*

Just minor things - let me know if you do any fixes.

Inane fixed so it's all on the line with (yet another) pentagon. I actually didn't remap that part from before.

Garven wrote:

[Cha-Insane]
Kind of the same thing with the combos here. At times you use new combos for jumps [00:47:873 (4,1) - ], and others you don't [00:21:118 (3,4) - ]. Keep it consistent.
02:03:249 (8,9,10,11) - These jumps felt a little out of context compared to the rest of the mapping up until this point. Probably the jump distance is too large.

Fixed, just check again because i don't know if i got all of the combos down and that jump i changed to a half ztrot formation.

Download: Yoko Shimomura - Weapons Factory (ziin) [Cha-Insane].osu

Ok,I tried to change a bit the new combos,but I really don't know if I did it right :S

Download: Yoko Shimomura - Weapons Factory (ziin) [Kev-Hard].osu

I think it's fine either way. I made my map so that I could put a new combo on every downbeat. kevin didn't so it doesn't work as well.

Bla, bla.....

Update stuff stuff you told me, update stuff I made myself...

My message is still kinda short....

Download: Yoko Shimomura - Weapons Factory (ziin) [Cha-Insane].osu

fixed up kev's finishes a bit, found one finish of mine to fix, and cha did something or other.

Oh and let's title text this up:
[time:38,size:28,colour:230.26.50,hold:5645]Yoko Shimomura|[time:1838,colour:111.111.111,hold:3485]Weapons Factory

If the 2nd line isn't bold size 40 when you test it add that in too, but it should do that by default.

If this gets popped I'll be a sad panda.

Oh finally a bubble!
Gogo!

[Cha-Insane]
02:02:220 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - The way this pattern is positioned makes me think it's a 5 note stream rather than 2, 3 note streams, i recommend you split both.

Edit: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/152851 now tell me how is this not confusing

Sakura Hana wrote:

[Cha-Insane]
02:02:220 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - The way this pattern is positioned makes me think it's a 5 note stream rather than 2, 3 note streams, i recommend you split both.

Err.... Congrats on the whole becoming-a-BAT thing, but I don't think it really matters here....

And I don't feel like popping the bubble just for that.

Lemme help you pop it then. .osz is bugged, re-full-upload. Right now, it only has Easy, Normal, and Cha-Insane.

And while you're at it, you should probably rearrange the pattern Sakura pointed out.

that pattern is fine I dunno what people are complaining about

chamelepeace710 wrote:

Sakura Hana wrote:

[Cha-Insane]
02:02:220 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - The way this pattern is positioned makes me think it's a 5 note stream rather than 2, 3 note streams, i recommend you split both.

Err.... Congrats on the whole becoming-a-BAT thing, but I don't think it really matters here....

And I don't feel like popping the bubble just for that.

It should matter to you since it affects how the map plays. Avoiding the fix because you want to keep a bubble is not the way to go. At least try to explain why you choose to use that pattern of spacing. But if it is still unreasonable, then it has to be fixed. Besides that, if you do the fix, you can get the bubble back as well....

Lybydose wrote:

that pattern is fine I dunno what people are complaining about

Look at the timeline, there's a stacked note below 4 that's twice as long in the time than the speed at which you're already hitting, plus the way the notes are positioned makes you keep going ahead thinking it's a single stream.

Regardless .osz was bugged so it needed to be popped anyways (i should fully redownload every map even if i already have them when checking bubbles)

whymeman wrote:

It should matter to you since it affects how the map plays. Avoiding the fix because you want to keep a bubble is not the way to go. At least try to explain why you choose to use that pattern of spacing. But if it is still unreasonable, then it has to be fixed. Besides that, if you do the fix, you can get the bubble back as well....

Wow WMM, proving things important. But I guess I should have put a reason.
I might as well fix it then if I can't think of a reason. But i'm not able to right now... I gotta sleep now.....

I didn't have a problem with it.

Generally speaking, unless you can come up with a good reason to keep something other than "I don't want to pop a bubble" (which is never a good reason), it's worthwhile fixing.

For example, if there were a pattern you were following, or you really like the anti-jump properties of the stack. Both are good reasons IMO, but if you did it without thinking, then go back and think about it.

ziin wrote:

I didn't have a problem with it.

Generally speaking, unless you can come up with a good reason to keep something other than "I don't want to pop a bubble" (which is never a good reason), it's worthwhile fixing.

For example, if there were a pattern you were following, or you really like the anti-jump properties of the stack. Both are good reasons IMO, but if you did it without thinking, then go back and think about it.

Thanks, now I really regret saying that "don't wanna pop the bubble" thing now.

So, like ziin said, I don't have a problem with it. And, as I said before, it doesn't matter whether or not I separate the stream. It's acceptable anyway, isn't it? It does turn into the anti-jump property, and it's a great place to do the ztrot formation.

Maybe there is something else wrong with that place.... Nah, probably not.

Okay with that, it shouldn't be bugged anymore. Why it gets bugged is beyond me...

Mmkay, no major issues found, and since cha really wants to keep it that way, this is rebubbled.

Whoops.

Yay, congratulations ziin!

Grats ziin

We need more songs for SMRPG <3333

YES!

somehow I think this will get unranked...

Tanzklaue wrote:

somehow I think this will get unranked...

Haha, trust me. We talked about that a lot....

wow, worst ranked map I've seen over the past few months.
why is it so bad after like 10 pages of modding? D:

I personally don't see anything wrong with the map.

Try to map a 13/8 song and you'll see if it's easy to do a fun map.

"Inane" was a purposeful misspelling.

look the word up.


And natteke, haven't you had a few ranked maps in the past few months?

Natteke wrote:

wow, worst ranked map I've seen over the past few months.
why is it so bad after like 10 pages of modding? D:

I've not looked at the map, but giving constructive criticism is better than "this sucks why does it suck"

How can I constructively explain why a map sucks?

Natteke wrote:

How can I constructively explain why a map sucks?

You? You can't. You're not good enough at modding.

Чья бы корова мычала

Stop you both with the personal attacks or I'll have to lock this.

Thanks ~

Natteke wrote:

How can I constructively explain why a map sucks?

Explain what is wrong with the map. That should not be so hard. if you are able to tell that a map sucks, you should be able to tell WHY a map sucks. You should be able to tell out the specific flaws and errors, or at least the things that you believe are subjectively wrong. And if you cannot, then maybe it's time to reconsider your skill to rate maps as "sucky".

Happy to see this ranked. Ziin, you pulled a real trick mapping this.

gratz

How can I constructively explain why a map sucks?

if a map sucks, you should be able to explain why; if a map do suck only for you being an idiot because you can't explain why, then isn't the map the suck, is you that suck in many ways, if however, you find a some flaws, you "might" at least help

Natteke wrote:

wow, worst ranked map I've seen over the past few months.
why is it so bad after like 10 pages of modding? D:

bad songs deserve love too. Modding doesn't help much to improve the quality of the map, only errors.

map me a section that doesn't suck and it will help me tremendously in the future.

Larto wrote:

Explain what is wrong with the map. That should not be so hard. if you are able to tell that a map sucks, you should be able to tell WHY a map sucks. You should be able to tell out the specific flaws and errors, or at least the things that you believe are subjectively wrong. And if you cannot, then maybe it's time to reconsider your skill to rate maps as "sucky".

The spacing is awkward and slightly too large with circle size 5. The time signature is in a nonstandard 13/8, which makes the rhythms very difficult to follow, to a downright pain to play when sightreading. The circle to slider ratio is far too great, and the placement of circles is questionable in their patterns which show poor/little planning.

Hey ziin, congrats for get ranked this

Yay,finally

ziin wrote:

map me a section that doesn't suck and it will help me tremendously in the future.

I will try when I'm back home

Had a play through of Inane to see what the fuss was about.

My guess as to current low rating - normal circles and strange streams.

By strange streams I mean the ones that are all crunched together and on the 1/6.

I enjoyed the map, glad to see it ranked after it took so long.

Even though the map has it's downsides, I still like it way more than your average mainstream maps that have streams all over the place which make little to no sense.

Very late post, but I just felt like I should write this. Whatever.

I can't stand making average maps.

Hipster Mapper! \:O/

I still like well done average maps more than bad different maps.
Just felt I should write this.

Not saying this map was in any way bad (although it's a little old style but hey I like old maps too!)
The only thing that really bothered me were the crunched streams.