oh so now you just switch to ad hominem attacks?

Lybydose wrote:

oh so now you just switch to ad hominem attacks?

please stop trying to derail town

Given the death of Swiftwolf and then Rantai, I don't think there's a Doctor. Rantai died immediately after he roleclaimed, so even if the doctor can't protect the same person twice in a row, IMO it still doesn't make sense...

You mean I haven't rushed the end of the day in order to completely stifle any discussion town could've had, which you did.

Actually, this is a really good point (and I didn't even think about this). I can't imagine not hammering in most cases, but in this case both days hadn't even lasted a day. Hammering so soon makes sure there's no discussion going on.

That said, FoS: Lybydose He was near the end on Wojjan's bandwagon, and has been acting suspicious in general.

More coming, I'll go ahead and post this because Two prodded me a minute or so ago

That's just a FoS because in both cases the person was quite obviously mafia, so it's not that suspicious. During day 2, though, we still weren't 100% sure. Plus, he hasn't really brought up that much reasoning or deduction, and has mostly just voted. As I said, though, we have someone who switches between town and mafia, and it's more likely that he or LS is this person (assuming they switch when voted). What we need to do, I presume, is figure out when this person is mafia and lynch him then, but we don't even know what causes this person to switch back and forth.

Another possibility is that there's one mafia that counts as 2 mafia under a specific condition, instead of someone switching back and forth. Alternatively, it could be a townie that counts as mafia. It might also be a fourth mafia that appears as a townie if a specific condition is met. If someone switched back and forth entirely, it would be a bit difficult because they couldn't know who the mafia are, but they'd have to kill off everyone else. o.o (That mafia could have died already, so there's no guarantee that the one that's left is that mafia...and it doesn't matter much because Rantai is dead now ) I think the situation of having a "conditional miller" is a lot more likely because someone physically switching between town and mafia roles would make no sense IMO. If this is the case, there would be no benefit to switching, so LS and Lybydose are not more likely to be town. The situation of a "conditional godfather" doesn't make sense unless his condition was automatically true day 1, in which case that number would be correct. There might also be a framer, but the problem is that the condition only worked one day (unless the person who was framed was NK'ed, which doesn't make sense).

In other words, there are a lot of possibilities, but I think the "conditional miller" is the most likely one.

As I said, there's hardly any discussion going on, so I can't really come up with much. 0_o has been quite proactive and avoided hammering too early, so I think he's town. Chris is being quite proactive, so he's probably town, but everyone else might be mafia. foulcoon hasn't really been around recently. That leaves animask, Lybydose, LadySuburu, and foulcoon. So far I think the most suspicious person is Lybydose, because he's just voting and not providing much reasoning. He also voted DxS day 1, and was confident in Mashley who turned out to be town. He did suggest a mass roleclaim, which I think would help and at least raise activity, but two of our auxes have already died after roleclaiming...as I said, I don't think there's a doctor, so if we did that we'll probably lose another important aux. Then again we already have a huge advantage, so it might be worth it.

I'm not sure at all why LadySuburu faked a post restriction D1. The situation of LS being a "conditional miller", where the post restriction was the condition, makes a lot of sense. I'm not sure why it could have been lifted after the next day though (being miller for just 1 day seems a bit insignificant IMO, so he wouldn't really have to bother faking anything at all that early in the game). This means that either the condition is something entirely different, or he is not the "conditional miller", if that's what it actually is. If the condition is voting, it has to be LadySuburu, because he's the only one who voted day 1 and not day 2 and day 3. If it's being voted, it could be Chris or Lybydose.

So that leaves animask and foulcoon, who haven't really been that suspicious, but there's nothing really suggesting they're town. Lybydose has been acting quite suspicious, but I have a gut feeling he's not mafia. It's also a possibility that LadySuburu could be mafia, but I have a gut feeling he's town. Chris and 0_o are the least suspicious IMO, and I'm quite sure they're town.

I'm really not sure on this, because there's hardly been any discussion...which brings be back to my Lybydose FoS.

Regarding my inactivity, it's because I'll end up leaving during near the start of the day (or even during night) for school or sleep, and when I come back the day is already over. It's starting to get quite annoying, but there's nothing I can really do (and I won't complain since we've been lynching mafia left and right ).

^^ TEXTWALL ^^

I don't really get how people are disregarding the shady shit that LS and Chris have done. LS with the whole post restriction magically disappearing, and Chris claiming for sure Rantai would not die... How does nobody else find that suspicious? Also regarding my activity, I had no internet connection for just about 24 hours and for some time before and after that I was in either school or at work. There was also the point in time where days were so short that I completely missed them because of sleep or school.

The way Lyby is playing is pretty FoS-worthy I suppose. If Lyby does turn up town I will probably lean towards voting Chris or LS. Lyby will probably be lynched as the general consensus is everyone finds him suspicious. I'm not really sure why he said that I'm most likely to be town at this point. Not that I'm going to refuse a positive assessment, but because of my activity I find it difficult for anyone to form such an opinion. I simply don't understand why he would defend me.

foulcoon wrote:

Lyby will probably be lynched as the general consensus is everyone finds him suspicious.

No that's just the mafia bandwagon

foulcoon wrote:

I simply don't understand why he would defend me.

cause you're both mafia~

whatever chris, I'm not mafia.

wtb some votes or new input

there is no more town discussion

Yeah, discussion seems to be over.

Vote: Lybydose

Vote Count

Lybydose (3): Chris, animask, LadySuburu
Chris (1): foulcoon

not voting: 0_o, pieguy1372, Lybydose

Lybydose is L-1

Lybydose wrote:

vote: Chris

^ so mafia

Chris wrote:

Lybydose wrote:

vote: Chris

^ so mafia

^ so mafia

Lybydose wrote:

^ so mafia

sry if you were honestly town you'd vote foulcoon

he's the only other bad one

as opposed to "voting the other bandwagon to save myself"

you know the same thing you accused Swiftwolf (who was town) of not doing

Lybydose wrote:

as opposed to "voting the other bandwagon to save myself"

you know the same thing you accused Swiftwolf (who was town) of not doing

I also said d1

nice try though

Vote: Lybydose

Sorry if you're town bro.

If he turns up town LS and Chris are the two most likely to be mafia (already are the two most likely in my opinion).

ok whatever

FoS: LS and Chris

have fun

Final Vote Count

Lybydose (4): Chris, animask, LadySuburu, foulcoon
Chris (1): Lybydose

not voting: 0_o, pieguy1372

day is over, no more talking

since posting is still allowed until Two shows up

LadySuburu wrote:

Yeah, discussion seems to be over.

Vote: Lybydose

Funny how you're so quick to just declare discussion over and vote to end the day with 32 hours left.

Lybydose - Townsperson has been lynched

It's now Night 5. You have 24 hours to send in night actions.

It's now Day 6. You wake up to find...

animask - Innocuous Townsperson stabbed to death violently.

You have 48 hours until nightfall. It takes 3 votes to lynch.

I have no idea

you are all mafia

vote foulcoon

I really want to say though if faceman and suburu are actually town, all this "cant explain it" bs is not helping anything

I hope you were restricted because of a modkill not just cause you didn't want to say

Chris wrote:

I really want to say though if faceman and suburu are actually town, all this "cant explain it" bs is not helping anything

I hope you were restricted because of a modkill not just cause you didn't want to say

If I could say anything, I would. Also I really hope LS isn't mafia who was given information about the setup beforehand...

Will do a readthrough tomorrow, busy atm.

Oh also seeing as this very well could be lylo, anyone who can claim probably should.

I really think either Chris or LS is the mafia... I will roleclaim if that is the consensus but my role really won't make much sense. I'm more interested in how Chris got away with blatantly lying about Rantai not dying and not giving any insight into what his role actually is. His suspicion of me is also not justified in any way. I will only be voting either Chris or LS today. Thoughts face man? Pie guy?

I kinda agree with 0_o on the claiming thing. At this point it might be best for those who can claim to do so.

foulcoon wrote:

I really think either Chris or LS is the mafia... I will roleclaim if that is the consensus but my role really won't make much sense. I'm more interested in how Chris got away with blatantly lying about Rantai not dying and not giving any insight into what his role actually is. His suspicion of me is also not justified in any way. I will only be voting either Chris or LS today. Thoughts face man? Pie guy?

you've voted me every day since I hammered you in the last game~

get over it pls, you're not helping town by being mad

also gj hammering someone you thought was town the entire game, that's not suspicious at all

I guess I'll start: roleclaim Townsperson/vanilla

I'm not sure who that is left is allowed to roleclaim, but Two never told me I couldn't.

pieguy1372 wrote:

I guess I'll start: roleclaim Townsperson/vanilla

I'm not sure who that is left is allowed to roleclaim, but Two never told me I couldn't.

if you don't get modkilled then you're mafia 100%

dxs got modkilled for posting something like that and he was the same role

just for the future~

if pieguy gets modkilled we lost anyways, if he doesn't then he's mafia


unvote, vote pieguy

pieguy won't get modkilled.

Chris, please unvote so he doesn't get quickhammered, ty

that doesn't make any sense though, if dxs got modkilled for the exact same thing why wouldn't pieguy?

I do wonder why I haven't been NK'd though

probably because I'm on the wrong track and helping influence a bad vote?~


mmmmmmmmm so many possibilities, also answer pls faceman

Chris wrote:

that doesn't make any sense though, if dxs got modkilled for the exact same thing why wouldn't pieguy?

The difference I see is DxS said he can't claim due to role restrictions, whereas Pieguy flat-out claimed.

So as I see it there's two possibilities:

1. Pieguy's lying.
2. DxS wasn't a plain townsperson but flipped as that when he got smitten.

@Two

When players are modkilled, do you show their real roles?



also there is no reason to lie this late in the game unless you are mafia imo

Chris wrote:

@Two
When players are modkilled, do you show their real roles?

deathxshinigami really was a townsperson yes

Two wrote:

Chris wrote:

@Two
When players are modkilled, do you show their real roles?

deathxshinigami really was a townsperson yes

Dunno if you'll answer this, but does Townsperson mean 100% vanilla town?

closed setup sry

townsperson is like as vanilla as you can get

notice there are X townpersons, so townperson is the base

Chris wrote:

townsperson is like as vanilla as you can get

notice there are X townpersons, so townperson is the base

Well what I was getting at is that it's possible even the "vanilla" townspersons have some sort of restriction (hence the modkill). Though I suppose DxS could have been talking outside the thread or something...

Since this is LyLo and Chris is being a fucking retard and thinks I'm mafia I'll role-claim. This probably won't make much sense.

Roleclaim: Coroner

thats all I'll say.

please trust me.

0_o wrote:

Chris wrote:

townsperson is like as vanilla as you can get

notice there are X townpersons, so townperson is the base

Well what I was getting at is that it's possible even the "vanilla" townspersons have some sort of restriction (hence the modkill). Though I suppose DxS could have been talking outside the thread or something...

it's more than likely a post restriction or something, making it so they're unable to claim or even hint at their role

and a mafia wouldn't know that, which is why I question pieguys sincerity

why the fuck would anyone need a coroner if the roles get posted when they die?

what

that doesn't make sense at all actually, gj calling it

also if you're not mafia you're just really bad, so gj being fucking retarded

has anyone this entire game actually been able to claim? as far as I remember it's only pieguy/foulcoon

do we have our last two mafia ^_^

How do the results you receive differ from what we're given?

You've found me suspicious this whole time, there's no convincing someone as stubborn as you. Did you seriously ridicule me for hammering someone you all thought was suspicious? A person you voted for? And yeah I've been voting for you, because you're playing like a tard and you've lied to everyone.

Roleclaim or I will continue to vote for you. Why did Rantai die when you said he wouldn't? Why did you make it seem like you were the Doctor or another protection role?

foulcoon wrote:

Roleclaim or I will continue to vote for you.

so very town of you foulcoon

also waiting for an answer to facemans question

@faceguy, they don't

@Chris: are you dumb or stupid? I'm not mafia. If you're town you are the worst player of all time.

Vote: Chris

wait I think I already did that, right?

guess not, vote stands (lol triple post)

Chris wrote:

has anyone this entire game actually been able to claim? as far as I remember it's only pieguy/foulcoon

do we have our last two mafia ^_^

.

Vote: Foulcoon

your role makes no sense, you get the exact same results we get? so basically you have no role?

sounds like another "I targetted myself because I knew you'd bus drive me" lie

lol so bad

also yes I ridiculed you for hammering someone you said was town all game

oh my god you're such an idiot. If chris is mafia and mafia wins this game I hate you all.

foulcoon wrote:

oh my god you're such an idiot. If chris is mafia and mafia wins this game I hate you all.

get madder pls

are you gonna role claim or what

foulcoon wrote:

are you gonna role claim or what

nope

also lol @ "are you dumb or stupid"

wat

you're either one or the other

foulcoon wrote:

you're either one or the other

I really hope you never actually host a mafia game, you are too bad

It's really hard to see foul's claim being correct for multiple reasons, but at the same time I do see one situation where it might be true and (not really) make sense to have in the game.

3. NoHItter - Mafia Graverobber

Though, I would've assumed if his ability had anything to do with hiding results of lynches or NKs, that he would've used it N1.


Also I see a lot of Ad Hominem. Not really helping.

if you're town you're retarded

if you're mafia the rest of the players in this game are retarded for believing you

its either you or LadySuburu going today. If not, I will literally request replacement. This game is not worth the frustration it is causing me.

1. LadySuburu - Maybe Town
2. 0_o - Town
3. Chris - Town
4. pieguy1372 - Roleclaimed Vanilla (dxs did and got modkilled)
5. foulcoon - Roleclaimed Coroner

so it's either foulcoon and pieguy or foulcoon and suburu

or lol, possibly suburu and pieguy

and worst off faceman and suburu/pieguy


pick

Unvote

Vote: LadySuburu

I will not change my vote for the rest of the day. If you choose not to believe my claim I understand, but just try to realize this isn't me pulling a PyP, and I wouldn't roleclaim something so stupid for no reason.

Thats for all of you, not just Chris.

I wish faceman would post more and explain to me why he knows pieguy is town

unvote

whend id he say pieguy is town? or are you jsut referring to the quick hammer comment

foulcoon wrote:

whend id he say pieguy is town? or are you jsut referring to the quick hammer comment

he said he wouldn't get modkilled so I assume he knows something

or maybe why dxs got modkilled at least, which is I assume for somewhat claiming

less than 24 hours left btw

you really need to post something faceman, cause as it stands there is a bunch of maybes and you aren't helping~

pieguy really needs to post cause I'm pretty sure I've seen him lurk since I quoted his roleclaim, if he doesn't he's getting my vote

pieguy was just viewing this and still didn't post~

gg

Oh sorry, I was rereading the thread and got sidetracked. >.<//

Anyway

Chris wrote:

it's more than likely a post restriction or something, making it so they're unable to claim or even hint at their role

I know it is really odd, but I suppose this is what Two meant when he said there'd be more emphasis on playing well.

I'm not mafia, and I'm 99% sure 0_o is town, so that leaves Chris, LS, and foulcoon. At least one and no more than two of them are mafia. I'm starting to become really doubtful of LS recently...he hasn't really helped that much. The situation of the post restriction D1 makes sense whether he's town or mafia...if he's town, it probably just got lifted once someone figured it out, whereas if he's mafia he could have just made it all up. Chris has been really proactive and finding out reasons to attack people so he normally would be town, but the problem is that everyone he's attacked so far has been town. It is a possibility that he was mafia all this time and is trying to mislead us. foulcoon...roleclaimed Coroner, which makes no sense in a game with full reveals. foulcoon, please explain further if you're allowed, because otherwise, that's really suspicious.

I was just looking at the end of day 5, and I noticed that LS and foulcoon were last on Lyby's bandwagon. Meanwhile, Chris was first on Lyby's bandwagon. In this case, Lyby was quite suspicious, so I don't blame Chris for being first. However, LS and foulcoon being the last ones seems very suspicious to me.

Additionally, I'm really surprised that a quickhammer hasn't occurred yet. If there were two mafia, I'm sure they would have just ended the game by now. There are thus two options. One, one of Chris or foulcoon is mafia already, so a quickhammer can not occur, or two, there is only one mafia. As such, there is no reason to vote anyone besides Chris or foulcoon (if it's just one mafioso, it's fine even if they're town, and if it's two, there's a 50% of one of them being mafia based on that alone). There is another possibility that both Chris and foulcoon are mafia.

You know what? I really really think Chris is town. So I will FoS: foulcoon for now, because he's at the top of my list.

Sorry, busy today.

Here's why I think pieguy is town:

Day 1
viewtopic.php?p=1030651#p1030651
Votes NoHItter on a gut feeling, and gets into a long discussion with him about the merits of gut voting.

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viewtopic.php?p=1030651#p1030651

Wojjan wrote:

NoHItter, pieguy, scum team of the year?

viewtopic.php?p=1031426#p1031426

NoHItter wrote:

How did what pieguy make you think we're both scum?

viewtopic.php?p=1031523#p1031523

Wojjan wrote:

well Hitter assume you're both mafs for a second. pieguy knows you're maf and votes you as a "gut feeling" which wow chigga wow boom bang he's a maf! pieguy definitely looks town now, lynching a maf D1!

Calling out both teammates as a scum team? I wouldn't say I would put it past Wojjan, but overall it doesn't seem too likely.

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Might be some other random stuff too, but those are my main points.

Chris wrote:

I wish faceman would post more and explain to me why he knows pieguy is town

I don't know that pieguy isn't town, I just had a pretty good idea he wasn't going to be modkilled. At the time I thought I knew why DxS was modkilled, and it wasn't because he claimed to be a townsperson.

Also I have no idea what to think right now.

The only reason I've been defending LS so far is because I caught what he was trying to communicate D1, but now I'm actually starting to wonder if it actually does clear him or not. Because right now I'm actually getting town feelings from everyone else, and it is theoretically possible that he's a mafia who predicted a part of the setup due to his own restriction and went fishing...

Also I am currently afraid to lynch both Chris and foul as I would rather not be at the brunt of their wrath.

0_o wrote:

The only reason I've been defending LS so far is because I caught what he was trying to communicate D1, but now I'm actually starting to wonder if it actually does clear him or not. Because right now I'm actually getting town feelings from everyone else, and it is theoretically possible that he's a mafia who predicted a part of the setup due to his own restriction and went fishing...

I know basically 99.9% sure that you're town for the same reason that you thought I'm town.

I have a question to ask you specifically since you for some reason are starting to doubt me, and you're pretty much the only one that I know is town.

Which is more likely:?

I as town tried to show the thing you caught even risking seeming suspicious... (It's really hard to talk to you about this without risking being modkilled, btw.)

Or, that I as mafia managed to predict part of the setup and fish for a non-aux role in a manner that easilly would draw suspicion and eyes to me?


Also, I'm kinda frustrated that you guys didn't lynch me the times when I ASKED to be lynched if it was going to become a problem later in the game. Being lynched at or near LyLo for a stupid reason like this is going to piss me off when the game is over and the mafia win for such a dumb reason.

LadySuburu wrote:

0_o wrote:

The only reason I've been defending LS so far is because I caught what he was trying to communicate D1, but now I'm actually starting to wonder if it actually does clear him or not. Because right now I'm actually getting town feelings from everyone else, and it is theoretically possible that he's a mafia who predicted a part of the setup due to his own restriction and went fishing...

Which is more likely:?

I as town tried to show the thing you caught even risking seeming suspicious... (It's really hard to talk to you about this without risking being modkilled, btw.)

Or, that I as mafia managed to predict part of the setup and fish for a non-aux role in a manner that easilly would draw suspicion and eyes to me?

I was just thinking if your role was exactly the same as it is now, but mafia-aligned, it's possible that you gambled that some pro-town players might be similar, thus cruising on that person's word with the assumption that it's a strictly pro-town trait. I was a little surprised that you weren't modkilled for it, but it wouldn't be gamebreaking if you were mafia.

However, looking back on that I do suppose that it would make more sense if a townsperson guessed that another townsperson would be similar than it would a mafioso. You did offer to lynch yourself too, which I forgot about.

So yeah, forget what I said then. LS is either town or a lucky, devious bastard of a mafia. Likely and hopefully the former.

There is only five people total and the only one people really aren't sticking up for is foulcoon

which means he is town and pieguy/suburu are mafia yay

^ jk

I really wont be able to lynch confidently no matter what

Chris wrote:

I really wont be able to lynch confidently no matter what

This. I really do have reasons why everyone alive now is likely town >_>. Maybe I just suck at scumhunting.

Sooo you aren't going to tell us what was up with you saying Rantai won't die, right?

0_o wrote:

Sooo you aren't going to tell us what was up with you saying Rantai won't die, right?

well I was just not telling foulcoon to be spiteful but

my original intention was for mafia to NK me in place of an aux role, though it didn't work out like that

Chris wrote:

my original intention was for mafia to NK me in place of an aux role, though it didn't work out like that

That's the first thing I thought after you did it too, yay.

OK you know what

vote foulcoon. The only way we lose with a foul lynch is if there are two mafia among LS, Chris and pieguy and I really don't think that's the case.

Sorry if you're town bro.

You do lose with lynching me because I'm not mafia.

Double posting to say that if I get any more votes on me I'm just going to get myself modkilled by giving out information I shouldn't. If you think I'm mafia, quit mafia.

foulcoon wrote:

Double posting to say that if I get any more votes on me I'm just going to get myself modkilled by giving out information I shouldn't. If you think I'm mafia, quit mafia.

If you think you're town, quit mafia.

Ad Hominem + "Oh I'm voting X and not going to change my vote no matter what."

For someone who claims to be town and is so frustrated and intent on winning, you sure are doing a craptastic job at convincing us and at figuring out who the mafia is. Yknow, if you're not bullshitting the whole frustration thing.

I can't tell which ones of you are bad town and which are mafia anymore. Everyone has their mind set on lynching me, kind of like everyone decided to lynch Lyb.

Congratulations mafia.

K goodnight.

If i get lynched before I wake up/see the posts, peace.

Good luck town.

Heading off to sleep, thinking didn't really get me anything new.

Since I'm not 100% sure I'll see the thread before deadline, it's time for me to vote.

Vote: Foulcoon.

I assume he would of been hammered before I woke up anyways if he wasn't mafia

unless faceman/suburu are both mafia, lol

oh well this game went on long enough~

vote: foulcoon

Final Vote Count

foulcoon (3): 0_o, LadySuburu, Chris

LadySuburu (1): foulcoon

Not voting: pieguy1372

foulcoon has been lynched.

It's now Night 6. You have 24 hours to send in night actions.

Ending Night 6 prematurely!

LadySuburu has been slain.

You have 48 hours until Day 7 ends. It takes 2 votes to lynch.

gahhh why do you mafia always leave me in the finals

I don't want to decide >_>

are you serious right now

faceman I really hope you are not mafia

vote: pieguy

This is me not hammering pieguy.

0_o wrote:

This is me not hammering pieguy.

unless you have some information you'd like to share about you being mafia you should vote

actually that doesn't make sense cause if you were mafia you'd hammer and win~

pls kill pieguy he is a traitor