NoHItter wrote:

Basically, you overreacted to a RVS vote.
Votes during RVS are usually placeholder votes that change upon someone doing something suspicious.

Wojjan wrote:

Vote: LS

not voting during RVS hmmmmm?

Chris wrote:

swift it's obvious what you have to do to not get lynched

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Chris: Actually, if I voted NoHitter right now, he'd be the one to get lynched if it was the last vote. He's the only one that was voted against before I was.

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

You don't have any proof that I'm scum, or even suspicious. And don't bring up what's already been brought up, that doesn't work.

Chris wrote:

faceman
DxS
pieguy
lybydose

Lybydose wrote:

Chris wrote:

faceman
DxS
pieguy
lybydose

You missed at least one there. Trying to blame me for nothing hmmmmmmm?

Lybydose wrote:

You tell me since you seem to be so keen on everyone's posting habits here.

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Actually, you do have a point about voting Lyby right now. I WOULD be saving myself, however, if anyone that voted for Lyby unvotes, I'm in trouble.

Recall the pregame, Chris. Two and I pointed out that it's the FIRST vote that counts, not the LAST.

Lybydose wrote:

That was hard

LadySuburu wrote:

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Actually, you do have a point about voting Lyby right now. I WOULD be saving myself, however, if anyone that voted for Lyby unvotes, I'm in trouble.

Recall the pregame, Chris. Two and I pointed out that it's the FIRST vote that counts, not the LAST.

Once above, priorities change.

LadySuburu wrote:

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Actually, you do have a point about voting Lyby right now. I WOULD be saving myself, however, if anyone that voted for Lyby unvotes, I'm in trouble.

Recall the pregame, Chris. Two and I pointed out that it's the FIRST vote that counts, not the LAST.

Once above, priorities change.

Chris wrote:

Lybydose wrote:

That was hard

l2read

obviously I meant in the game, not forum wide

Lybydose wrote:

Maybe you should learn to read. This person has posted once in this game since this game started.

Lybydose wrote:

ugh, fine, nevermind then.

That being said, you do seem to be pushing quite hard for a lynch on me off the basis of nothing (RVS on Rantai). ie, trying to push Swiftwolf's vote on me when it's 2 vs 2 votes and questioning him when he doesn't do so and we're not even through the first day out of three so why would he even need to do that yet?

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

You have a point there, Chris. If we were both mafia, why would he not be helping me? ..but you know what strikes me as odd? You're helping me, and if your statement is true, then why are you helping the mafia? ..Okay, that isn't helping turn my case around, but still, I'm sure you get my point.

he's like an injured dog, the closer you corner him the more aggressive he's gonna get

Lybydose wrote:

he's like an injured dog, the closer you corner him the more aggressive he's gonna get

so you're trying to defend him then? You clearly don't want him to become cornered (and thus act aggressive). Why? He your mafia buddy or something? Why aren't you questioning me for not voting swiftwolf to save myself?

You're helping me, and if your statement is true, then why are you helping the mafia?

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

You don't have any proof that I'm scum, or even suspicious. And don't bring up what's already been brought up, that doesn't work.

Chris wrote:

Swifttail is super defensive over random votes and won't vote for lybydose to put them over the lynch mark

Chris wrote:

so actually if you voted lybydose you'd be saving yourself from a lynch

pieguy1372 wrote:

vote: NoHItter. I have a gut feeling he's mafia (though I'm not sure about some of the more inactive players). >.<

pieguy1372 wrote:

I always vote on my gut day 1. It's just basic statistics, the less information you have the higher the sample variance is and the higher chance you will have a false positive with a lower critical value. As a result, on day 1 there really isn't enough information to make a substantiated claim unless someone does something really obvious = =//

pieguy1372 wrote:

I also found it somewhat suspicious how you didn't do RVS "because people didn't like it"...anything to get information is good IMO. Yes, RVS itself doesn't give much information, but it would have definitely started a conversation that could lead to information.

pieguy1372 wrote:

I also found it somewhat suspicious how you didn't do RVS RQS "because people didn't like it"

akrolsmir wrote:

I would totally vote Swifttail right now, except meta apparently excuses him? (rantai, I looked through both Mind Games, he didn't seem to be in there)

Chris wrote:

self preservation above all d1

that's not hard to understand

NoHItter wrote:

Yes, but you don't self preservation vote until nearing the deadline.

Rolled wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

Yes, but you don't self preservation vote until nearing the deadline.

Chris: Uggh, your posts remind me of Two except not as egocentric and obnoxious.

pieguy1372 wrote:

Also, in every game I played the person lynched D1 was lynched "because he was suspicious" and he was always town. This is just basic statistics at hand as I mentioned before, especially when you consider the mafia tries to NOT be suspicious... This is just my idea of how to play the game, and IMO it's worked a lot better than lynching town members who screw up, instead of actually showing signs of wanting to hinder town progress or mislead us. >.>

Wojjan wrote:

NoHItter, pieguy, scum team of the year?

Chris wrote:

there is no information on d1

NoHItter wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

NoHItter, pieguy, scum team of the year?

How did what pieguy make you think we're both scum?

@Chris
So you still think that one should prioritize self-preservation over information in voting long before the deadline?

Rolled wrote:

Everything in this game is speculations. You can't even take the information you receive from the host as fact, as you now know ^__^

With your logic, a vanilla townie would just RV the whole way through a mafia game. All they have is speculation.

I feel you're underestimating the usefulness and power of speculation, though.

Rolled wrote:

So what's classified as information as opposed to speculation?

Rolled wrote:

Do you realize how little in mafia is confirmed? Nine times out of ten a decision must be made without previous confirmation on whether it's good or bad.

This is really derailing the thread though. I'm just showing flaws in your argument.

Rolled wrote:

Nobody is arguing that information on d1 is generally lower than information in later days. What people are arguing is that there is no information to be gathered day 1.

Rantai wrote:

And there lies the disagreement (that I have at least).

I see information as anything that can be used to read a player, whether that be 'speculation' or otherwise. At the very least it could help with choosing a D1 lynch as opposed to blindly picking or 'gut voting'.

.....Wow ninjas.

Rolled wrote:

So are you suggesting that we do not have more information on you than we have against somebody who has posted 0 times?

This conversation is such a derailer so just admit you are wrong and be on with it.

Rolled wrote:

I gathered that you're bad at mafia

Rolled wrote:

If a hypothetical situation arises in which a bus driver were to switch you with player x, and player x dies, it's more likely that you are a strongman rather than you shooting yourself anticipating my switch. Hypothetically.

See, I concluded that due to information I gathered on day 1.

Chris wrote:

tell me then what you've gathered from me posting? I'd love to hear this

Rantai wrote:

Chris wrote:

tell me then what you've gathered from me posting? I'd love to hear this

Well you could say I've gathered that you don't believe anything that is unconfirmed as useful

Which is fine, we're all entitled to our own opinion.

But also, my initial thoughts of you back when you were fueling the fires under Swift and Lybydose was "why are you doing this?"

So yes, what were you hoping to find/achieve with that? Somehow I don't think your intention was for them to vote each other.

Rantai wrote:

To be honest, I would have thought voting last minute would have been the smarter way to do so because voting the person with the most/second most votes would've raised a few eyebrows. Especially if it was only based on saving themselves.

It's now Day 1. You have 72 hours from this post until nightfall.

That's september 19th 12:13 am EST, september 18th 9:13 pm PST afaik correct me if I'm wrong