Just clarifying that that textwall does not consider the most recent posts and roleclaims. Apologies, but I ran out of steam temporarily.
you are the second person to use "Two is wrong a lot" as an argument against his role, and the second person to supply no evidence to support their claimRolled wrote:
I want to suggest that perhaps Chris can be an insane/naive variation of Two/lie detector. Two is in fact wrong a lot, and the brokenness of this role should have been apparent to faceman.
I'm sorryLilac wrote:
To be honest, I want to hear more from you, Haneii. Dragging me out just to do this. Frowny face.
LadySuburu wrote:
DxS's nonlynch was my fault. I woke up one hour to late to vote for DxS over NoHItter.
Claim: strager
Since I'm so clever, I can take someone's vote and force it onto another player without it updating the votecount. They can't change the vote from then on either.
That mostly sums up what I have to say.Two wrote:
I am against him sending "chris is mafia" because there is no reason to currently believe that his role is inaccurate, and it:
1. wastes a night of his ability
2. clears the stage for another aux to die in vain
the very suggestion of this by someone who knows as much as you makes me think you're mafia
Rolled wrote:
Suggesting that Chris sends the following statement N2: "Chris is mafia." Opinions?
Might be a waste of time - not sure how long chris will be alive for + would like to get information that can help with lynch decisions first.
Keep in mind that he got silenced today. I know he was inactive at the start of the day, but he can't respond to your comments.pieguy1372 wrote:
DxS - I don't know, he's to inactive
Your definition of proven differs a lot from mine. I won't have confidence in his role's straight-forwardness until it's confirmed by the host in the form of either that question, or post-game role setup. How useful is the information he's providing us with if we can't be certain of its validity? Not to mention, I could WIFOM all day with "If his information is invalid, mafia won't lynch him tonight" etc etc etc. The only way to be certain is for him to ask that or a similar question. And yes, you are wrong enough to have "Naive" in front of a role modeled around yourself ^__^. Women's intuition, after all.Two wrote:
you are the second person to use "Two is wrong a lot" as an argument against his role, and the second person to supply no evidence to support their claimRolled wrote:
I want to suggest that perhaps Chris can be an insane/naive variation of Two/lie detector. Two is in fact wrong a lot, and the brokenness of this role should have been apparent to faceman.
it's been practically proven by this point that he got the 4 people he listed correct, so are you honestly saying that he just got lucky?
I am against him sending "chris is mafia" because there is no reason to currently believe that his role is inaccurate, and it:
1. wastes a night of his ability
2. clears the stage for another aux to die in vain
the very suggestion of this by someone who knows as much as you makes me think you're mafia
and if you recall, in the game where I famously said that, I was rightRolled wrote:
Women's intuition, after all.
I have been thinking about this one for a while, I have a gut feeling that every result he gets may come out true. Perhaps a statement saying that the other players that he didn't check are pro-town might be able to verify this. (ie A, B, C etc are pro-town)Rolled wrote:
Chris: There really isn't any part of me that feels Chris is mafia, however, I want to suggest that perhaps Chris can be an insane/naive variation of Two/lie detector. Two is in fact wrong a lot, and the brokenness of this role should have been apparent to faceman. I can't consider the fact that faceman/lyby would let this role be as it appears on paper, there has to be something hidden within it. Suggesting that Chris sends the following statement N2: "Chris is mafia." Opinions?
I admit that was very lazy of me but the question layout was identical and I had not changed my opinions in the space of 2 or so games so I thought it would be easier to link instead of retyping.Rolled wrote:
Rantai: This maaaay be grasping, but it definitely crossed my mind as I was reading this post:
etc etc
it's weak because we are arguing the strength of his role after the factRolled wrote:
How is it weak?
can you show me what you are referring toLilac wrote:
they have the right to remove it without forewarning per the rules...
If you believed that as a possibility and wanted to test it, I would go with a statement like "X is anti-town."Rantai wrote:
I have been thinking about this one for a while, I have a gut feeling that every result he gets may come out true.
No one said anything about throwing/disregarding anything.Two wrote:
even if you ignore that, you can not seriously say that it's worth throwing away an aux+an extremely informative night ability based on what the hosts may or may not have thought (unless there is solid evidence for that shown in any of 0_o or lybydose's posts)
Hurr durr, 0_o or Doc can add a "I reserve the right to change roles" or some crud and bam.OP wrote:
25. I reserve the right to change these rules.
He's using my rules, in which this is in play:Two wrote:
can you show me what you are referring to
You're suggesting they expected Chris to send in the name of one user each night? Why wouldn't they just give him a cop role.I think it's just to allow more flexibility. It could turn into a watcher role, or it could be whatever that role is called that says how many mafia voted for someone
I've partially answered this before, but I'll go into more detail here.Rolled wrote:
I know you're planning on hosting a mafia game, what would you expect as a host when designing this role? LS, how about you?
Not equally as broken, because it requires a dummy-night to verify. The insane variation could be an attempt to balance the brokenness of the role.LS wrote:
Insane: Equally as broken. Test "Chris is Mafia". Once sanity is confirmed you can use the role as normal by asking the opposite question of what you wanted to ask.
Okay, so It's almost equally as broken just takes a startup night. It still would give the results and you wouldn't claim until you had them.Rolled wrote:
The fact of the matter is, not everybody is 100% confident in the results Chris brings to the table. Taking an insane-test will ensure that his role is straight forward (or prove to be the opposite), thus allowing everybody to gather opinions based on the information he brings.
Your attitude towards the matter is selfish, almost as if you don't want to reveal Chris to be insane. If you wanted the best for your teammates, assuming they are town, then you would support establishing confidence for the rest of your team, even if you are 101% certain yourself.
@LS:
Not equally as broken, because it requires a dummy-night to verify. The insane variation could be an attempt to balance the brokenness of the role.
There's not much more I can argue at this point with you. The main difference here that makes it impossible for me to do so is this:Rolled wrote:
Truth is, if Chris is correct, town would need to screw up a lot in order to lose a game with like 6 confirmed townies d2. However, town is destined to lose if he is in fact insane and gets lynched before he is able to prove it. There would be a 0 chance of town recovering if we base all future lynches around Chris's false information. Verifying the information is worth one less night of added information on his part, imo.
However, town is destined to lose if he is in fact insane and gets lynched before he is able to prove it. There would be a 0 chance of town recovering if we base all future lynches around Chris's false information.Assuming we get to a point where things are that dire or almost that dire, we'd then consider rethinking the information. This is also not counting any other auxes we may have that can gather information. (Day before LyLo, for example.)
Would neutral count as anti-town? And even if he did come up anti-town, he still could be lying about being a lyncher. I don't really think it's productiveLadySuburu wrote:
If we HAD to test a statement to confirm his sanity, I would test "Mashley is anti-town." He's claimed Lyncher, so if False Chris is insane. If True we verify his claim AND Chris's sanity. I still think it's a waste, but it's more productive than what you've suggested IMO.
Neutral, which a Lyncher is not, is not anti-town. However, even if he's lying about being a lyncher then he would be mafia or SK. We have to lynch him later anyway, and the sanity confirmation would still stand.Two wrote:
Would neutral count as anti-town? And even if he did come up anti-town, he still could be lying about being a lyncher. I don't really think it's productive
True, I guess. Of course If he's neutral he's of no harm to us and should've claimed so anyway as opposed to claiming an anti-town role. Based on that, "Mashley is anti-town." would still be better IMO. Unless there's another reason it wouldn't work?Two wrote:
yeah but the thing is we already know he isn't pro-town, so it's the same as chris sending "chris is mafia"
That's likely true.Two wrote:
well myyyyyy opinion is that we wasted way too much time talking about something that excuses mafia from posting
with foulcoon, I don't know why day 1 he decided to vote at all, but I'm torn because I don't think town would have voted for deathxshinigami at that point (mashley is the only target that made sense)I think ivalset has a high likelyhood of being a mafia role, and I think his claim to be ivalset was done to be used as a tool to keep him from being lynched
day 2 when lilac proposed the vigilante kill deathxshinigami, he didn't even express opposition to it and instead chose to say this:
Quote:
Why wouldn't a vig be able to kill DxS? He already avoided lynch somehow, are you saying he could avoid bullets too? That would be OP :S
which in my mind is encouraging a vigilante to do it
foulcoon wrote:
|Sorry guys I spent the holiday with my family and I wasn't able to follow the thread.
Right now the top two people I find suspicious are DxS and LunaticMara. DxS for claiming to have some awesome role and not posting after LS practically explained that it was possible DxS did nothing to affect the vote..|
1. I think a player of your caliber would know that deathxshinigami wasn't mafia and that lunaticmara missing that is actually a town tell
2. you are extremely likely to have picked 1 or more BATs for your role choices
oh and I honestly would rather one of these lurkers voted so they have a reason to talk, unvote, vote: foulcoon
well for someone who wanted to pressure lurkers, you didn't and haven't been doing much pressuringall of these quotes are of me btw
and was it really coincidence that you were online such a short amount of time from my vote for you, or do you normally just opt not to post (and thus opt not to contribute to town)?
and again, how can you say you wouldn't pick bats when I almost can't imagine you not picking them? want to share who you did pick? for full disclosure, I picked quaraezha animask and bmin11
So what you're saying is that I was the silence target and DxS isn't quite as obvious town as before. Thanks Rolled <3Rolled wrote:
I must say I spent the last hour or so trying to plan how I'd dig myself out of this hole animask dug, but I actually am Rokodo the bus driver.
The first night animask switched DxS with foulcoon, if that can possibly validate my role with a few people.
Bus driver only applies to night actions, and DxS was silenced mid-day.foulcoon wrote:
So what you're saying is that I was the silence target and DxS isn't quite as obvious town as before. Thanks Rolled <3Rolled wrote:
I must say I spent the last hour or so trying to plan how I'd dig myself out of this hole animask dug, but I actually am Rokodo the bus driver.
The first night animask switched DxS with foulcoon, if that can possibly validate my role with a few people.
Also Ivalset is not a fucking BAT guys. You're making a mistake.
Haneii also claimed to be a BAT (Shinxyn) if this ever helpsLilac wrote:
I'm the only one claiming BAT
Why did he have to wait for someone to post then? I'm pretty sure he got silenced at night OR (less likely) he got silenced before he posted at all.LadySuburu wrote:
Bus driver only applies to night actions, and DxS was silenced mid-day.
Regardless of if Ival is a BAT or not, I still see you as scummy. Lying about a claim is easy.
...and I won't believe it ♫foulcoon wrote:
Roleclaim: Ivalset - Night Vig
most inclined to vote akrolsmir right nowRolled wrote:
Pick somebody that hasn't claimed.
bmin's list:
No standings:
Mara, pieguy, akrolsmir,foulcoon, bmin11, Rantai, Haneii, Lilac
I just don't want to make the wrong decision.Two wrote:
that doesn't really matter, does it? I mean, you know for a fact that you aren't
Hey, I woke in time, and you guys all switched to the guy my gut was on first.0_o wrote:
Vote Count
akrolsmir (4) Two, foulcoon, Rolled, bmin
foulcoon (1) LadySuburu
Lilac (1) akrolsmir
Haneii (1) pieguy
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so town will win, that's whyakrolsmir wrote:
Also why rantai?
The same reason we did to youakrolsmir wrote:
Also why rantai?