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Prods have been sent.bmin11 wrote:
Prod: animask and Mashley
Oh crap, I forgot. We're meant to be roleclaiming, right?
peppy
But, actually, winning at this point is impossible as I'm a lyncher and my win condition is to have LadySuburu (strager) lynched. Which is practically impossible now since they're confirmed town as far as most people are concerned :\ Whatever, go lynch me since I guess I'm technically anti-town.
peppy
But, actually, winning at this point is impossible as I'm a lyncher and my win condition is to have LadySuburu (strager) lynched. Which is practically impossible now since they're confirmed town as far as most people are concerned :\ Whatever, go lynch me since I guess I'm technically anti-town.
Are you expressing complete disinterest, or would you be willing to help town. Does your role confirm LS as strager, or just say that your objective is to kill strager, whoever it may be?
LS is strager, that's confirmed in the PM. I'm willing to help the town (sort of), but I'd imagine I'm classified as an 'anti-town force'.
There's not really a compromise we can make becase LS is town. Its not like we'd be willing to lynch him for you to win. If you help us you understand that you have no chance to win, right?
Id really expect strager to be an independent role, but now that its confirmed we can add LS to the confirmed town list permanently.
Id really expect strager to be an independent role, but now that its confirmed we can add LS to the confirmed town list permanently.
I never asked you to lynch him 
I am ALWAYS confusing.bmin11 wrote:
LunaticMara - none. Was rather confusing reading his posts.
so Chris' claim is looking better and better.
cool, I guess.
Chris, could you ask if in Mashley, Haneii or foulcoon there's one anti-town player?
cool, I guess.
Chris, could you ask if in Mashley, Haneii or foulcoon there's one anti-town player?
So basically we leave mash alive, and if I'm NKed ever then either we gain another confirmed town / survivor, we gain a lyncher who targets the mafia, or he'll win (which I assume this game is a multi-win, but if it's not then the mafia risk losing by killing me.)Mafiawiki wrote:
The Lyncher is a third-party role whose win condition is to get a specific person (the Lynchee) lynched. If the Lynchee is lynched while the Lyncher is alive and on the Lynchee's wagon, the Lyncher wins. If the Lyncher dies first or the Lyncher is the only scum left in the game and the Lynchee is still alive, the Lyncher loses.
Mods have differing policies in regard to what happens if a Lynchee is nightkilled: the Lyncher may gain the pro-Town Win Condition, may become a Survivor, may change their Lynchee to whoever made that kill, or may win as if that player had gotten lynched.
Sounds like a good situation for us.
Before I head to sleep tonight, I'm voting with both my votes. Who I'm voting depends on if we've actually got a consensus or not. If we don't, as I said before I'm voting for whoever I feel like.
@Wojjan - Thinking over what you wrote, do you mean something like: "There's exactally one anti-town player between Mashley, Haneii, and Foulcoon."?
If so, it would be better just to use "Haneii and Foulcoon are both pro-town.", since it's basically confirmed that Mashley's anti-town.
Oh, I forgot Mashley already claimed. Fine, go with another lurker. foul, Haneii and animask. And not "exactly one" just "one or more"
I kinda just wanna string up a lurker as a warning by now really. They're no use, so it's easy for mafs to lurk with them then
Please do provide some justification first (your votes' are still on me, and I'd prefer not to be lynched on a whim)LadySuburu wrote:
If we don't, as I said before I'm voting for whoever I feel like.
Agreed. I still can't read much, in part due to the inactivity of some people.Wojjan wrote:
I kinda just wanna string up a lurker as a warning by now really. They're no use, so it's easy for mafs to lurk with them then
Topic Starter
Vote Count
Mashley (1) pieguy
foulcoon (1) Two
animask (1) Rantai
akrolsmir (1) LadySuburu
21 hours remaining
Mashley (1) pieguy
foulcoon (1) Two
animask (1) Rantai
akrolsmir (1) LadySuburu
21 hours remaining
I just haven't unvoted yet, since I don't see a need to. I'm still deciding on who I think should be lynched.akrolsmir wrote:
Please do provide some justification first (your votes' are still on me, and I'd prefer not to be lynched on a whim)
Agreed. I still can't read much, in part due to the inactivity of some people.
To be fair, I'll give you the reasons I have my gut suspicion on you.
This post gave me a real bad feeling. It was the main reason I started to look at you.akrolsmir wrote:
Lynch is in less than a day now, you'd better have good reasons for not voting.
Ironically, the other people I'm considering voting are all of the players not striked out on this list.Votecount wrote:
DxS (5)Two, Lilac, akrolsmir, LunaticMara, foulcoon
There are more reasons, but none of which I feel are really strong enough to post. I can decide who I think is scum based on anything I can find, generally I'll post something if I think it warrents other people looking at it.
Oh, and the other reason I waited and didn't unvote and gave virtually no reasons as to why I was voting you, was to test your reaction to my unexplained vote.
"one or more is anti-town" is the same as "all are pro-town", only inferior since it may not pick up independent roles
with foulcoon, I don't know why day 1 he decided to vote at all, but I'm torn because I don't think town would have voted for deathxshinigami at that point (mashley is the only target that made sense)
day 2 when lilac proposed the vigilante kill deathxshinigami, he didn't even express opposition to it and instead chose to say this:
While we're on that subject, I don't see why Lilac would say those things as town... but I also don't see why they would say those things as mafia since it's bad play on both sides. I guess they were hoping for it to be done quickly.
so I'm fine with either a lilac or foulcoon lynch, but I'm sticking with my vote
with foulcoon, I don't know why day 1 he decided to vote at all, but I'm torn because I don't think town would have voted for deathxshinigami at that point (mashley is the only target that made sense)
day 2 when lilac proposed the vigilante kill deathxshinigami, he didn't even express opposition to it and instead chose to say this:
Why wouldn't a vig be able to kill DxS? He already avoided lynch somehow, are you saying he could avoid bullets too? That would be OP :Swhich in my mind is encouraging a vigilante to do it
While we're on that subject, I don't see why Lilac would say those things as town... but I also don't see why they would say those things as mafia since it's bad play on both sides. I guess they were hoping for it to be done quickly.
so I'm fine with either a lilac or foulcoon lynch, but I'm sticking with my vote
I'll go with Vote: Lilac, since his posts to date have been a lot less substantive than foulcoon's. It looks like he tried pretty hard to get DxS killed, but then after LS's claim he's basically said nothing. And he's failed to claim even a name at this point.
It's not a great case, but it's what I could pick up.
Incidentally the same is true again now...
It's not a great case, but it's what I could pick up.
Someone else also pointed to that post as suspicious I think. What I don't understand is how trying to get people to vote and reminding them of a deadline is a bad thing.LadySuburu wrote:
This post gave me a real bad feeling. It was the main reason I started to look at you.akrolsmir wrote:
Lynch is in less than a day now, you'd better have good reasons for not voting.
Incidentally the same is true again now...
Roleclaim: Rokodo/Bus Driver(??)
/me goes back to doing nothing.
/me goes back to doing nothing.
Why do you join every single mafia game if you don't want to read or post? Do you really just join these to troll people?animask wrote:
/me goes back to doing nothing.
I'm not asking a rhetorical question. I really want to know, animask.
I'm not really interested in this game in particular. I just joined thinking I would have a cool role or something.
Modkill request
unless Rolled wants to fill in for this spot.
Modkill request
unless Rolled wants to fill in for this spot.
please never join another game everanimask wrote:
I'm not really interested in this game in particular. I just joined thinking I would have a cool role or something.
Modkill request
Hold on, Request replacement for animask
o/
And Rolled saves the day.
well then
Rolled replaces animask
Rolled replaces animask
Ok.
Unvote: Rolled - My vote was based on animask's sheer laziness, let's see what you have to say Rolled.
Unvote: Rolled - My vote was based on animask's sheer laziness, let's see what you have to say Rolled.
ohai Rolled~
If Mashley isn't mafia, the person I find next most suspicious is Haneii...or akrolsmir, but moreso Haneii. Not to mention he's a lot less active than he is usually...
unvote Mashley, vote Haneii
If Mashley isn't mafia, the person I find next most suspicious is Haneii...or akrolsmir, but moreso Haneii. Not to mention he's a lot less active than he is usually...
unvote Mashley, vote Haneii
bus drive me, baby
Vote Count
foulcoon (1) - Two
Rolled (1) - Chris
akrolsmir (1) - LadySuburu
Lilac (1) - akrolsmir
Haneii (1) - pieguy
foulcoon (1) - Two
Rolled (1) - Chris
akrolsmir (1) - LadySuburu
Lilac (1) - akrolsmir
Haneii (1) - pieguy
I must say I spent the last hour or so trying to plan how I'd dig myself out of this hole animask dug, but I actually am Rokodo the bus driver.
The first night animask switched DxS with foulcoon, if that can possibly validate my role with a few people.
I've been remotely following this thread and I have much to say. Before I voice my opinions, though, I'm going to give it a re-read.
Hi guise ^_^
The first night animask switched DxS with foulcoon, if that can possibly validate my role with a few people.
I've been remotely following this thread and I have much to say. Before I voice my opinions, though, I'm going to give it a re-read.
Hi guise ^_^
Lily, come back ~
No really, I need to hear more from you >w<
I'm still suspicious of rolled because animask becoming bored/uninterested has me thinking he was mafia (already has an idea of most of the affiliations), if that makes any sense. Although that's probably a terrible/weak reason to suspect anyone.
I'm okay with the new chris statement but I'd rather have rolled replace me. I'd like to confirm rolled and foulcoun (ie: new info plz, I already know I'm town XD). meh.
rolled - He told us about his role and what he did last night, can't find any holes in his statement. Would like to hear his opinions on everyone else though.
Lilac - wanted DxS, something lily would do I guess. Honestly have no reason why he can't be mafia D:
pieguy1372 - no opinion
foulcoon - no opinion
DeathxShinigami - getting lynched + silence, prob not a good reason to think he's town, but I'll wait till he comes back and gets to talk more before I decide. I don't have a reason to think he's mafia if that's a good argument? o_O
akrolsmir - no opinion
Haneii - getting a strong town vibe from her. Yup, definitely town.
bmin11 - no opinion
Rantai - no opinion
LunaticMara - no opinion
no opinion = I don't think they're mafia but I don't have a strong reason for thinking they're town (ie: gut feeling, no evidence suggesting otherwise, etc..)
No really, I need to hear more from you >w<
I'm still suspicious of rolled because animask becoming bored/uninterested has me thinking he was mafia (already has an idea of most of the affiliations), if that makes any sense. Although that's probably a terrible/weak reason to suspect anyone.
I'm okay with the new chris statement but I'd rather have rolled replace me. I'd like to confirm rolled and foulcoun (ie: new info plz, I already know I'm town XD). meh.
Mashley - He isn't pro town, neither is he mafiaTwo wrote:
what is everyone's reason for each player above not being mafia
rolled - He told us about his role and what he did last night, can't find any holes in his statement. Would like to hear his opinions on everyone else though.
Lilac - wanted DxS, something lily would do I guess. Honestly have no reason why he can't be mafia D:
pieguy1372 - no opinion
foulcoon - no opinion
DeathxShinigami - getting lynched + silence, prob not a good reason to think he's town, but I'll wait till he comes back and gets to talk more before I decide. I don't have a reason to think he's mafia if that's a good argument? o_O
akrolsmir - no opinion
Haneii - getting a strong town vibe from her. Yup, definitely town.
bmin11 - no opinion
Rantai - no opinion
LunaticMara - no opinion
no opinion = I don't think they're mafia but I don't have a strong reason for thinking they're town (ie: gut feeling, no evidence suggesting otherwise, etc..)
Oops, forgot about this:
Rolled - I don't know yet
Lilac - I think Lilac is somewhat suspicious, considering he suddenly popped up at the start of day 2 and hasn't said anything recently..
foulcoon - I'm too tired to analyze his behavior right now =.=
DxS - I don't know, he's to inactive
akrolsmir - again a gut feeling he's mafia
Haneii - neutral on everything and somewhat inactive, far more so than when he was town
bmin11 - I have a gut feeling he's not mafia
Rantai - I'm too tired to analyze his behavior right now...
LunaticMara - neutral on everything and also inactive., so I think he's suspicious
Mashley - roleclaimed, so I don't think he's mafiaTwo wrote:
Mashley
animask
Lilac
pieguy1372
foulcoon
DeathxShinigami
akrolsmir
Haneii
bmin11
Rantai
LunaticMara
what is everyone's reason for each player above not being mafia
Rolled - I don't know yet
Lilac - I think Lilac is somewhat suspicious, considering he suddenly popped up at the start of day 2 and hasn't said anything recently..
foulcoon - I'm too tired to analyze his behavior right now =.=
DxS - I don't know, he's to inactive
akrolsmir - again a gut feeling he's mafia
Haneii - neutral on everything and somewhat inactive, far more so than when he was town
bmin11 - I have a gut feeling he's not mafia
Rantai - I'm too tired to analyze his behavior right now...
LunaticMara - neutral on everything and also inactive., so I think he's suspicious
I've re-read the thread from the start of day 1, and will post opinions on players in the order of which they were gathered. Some people will be left out, as I didn't feel anything said by them was too influential. This isn't necessarily a good thing.
Bolded shit is kind of important
Day 1 impressions:
NoHitter:
I enjoyed his question approach, and I don't feel his intentions were to deliberately scumpaint. If the theme of the game wasn't "corrupt BATs" then it is possible he could have been on to something. If you'd rather be mafia, you'd definitely pick users in PYP more likely to be anti-town. I can name some people with mafia-like traits to them, so usually with D1 material being so scarce, these question responses would be enough to justify a vote for me. Well played nohitter~
bmin:
Your questions, not so much. NoHitter's had apparent reason behind them, yours seem more random. Like I said though, day 1 chatter is usually minimal so I don't really blame you for attempting to start conversation, even if it was arguably off topic. His reaction to attack didn't really sit well with me, even if in my mind the attacks were somewhat unjustified.
akrolsmir:
This post where he calls out bmin was nice, and I got pro-town reads from it. I don't necessarily think speculating about setup is a scumtell, but his post influenced my opinion on bmin a little which is what he was going for.
Wojjan:
Attacked like 8 different people day 1. This may be scumtell but Wojjan tends to be more passive when mafia iirc. Kind of neutral at the time I'm writing this sentence.
Rantai:
This maaaay be grasping, but it definitely crossed my mind as I was reading this post:
Mashley:
The way I'm writing this post is I'm hopping from member to member adding shit to the list. At the time of writing, Mashley is the fifth person to stand out to me and the person giving me the most anti-town reads. Day 1, he has contributed very little of his own opinions. First, he bandwagoned on the "NoHitter is scum" train, third on board. He then rides rust's suggestion that animask's inactivity could be scummy. He was second to unvote, though that doesn't really suggest bandwagonning. I dunno, Mashley is leaning a bit on the anti-town side of the spectrum.
Okay, capping all that shit there. Those are the players that stuck out to me as of day 1. Since a lot of things changed D2, I figured it deserves a separate section.
Day 2 impressions:
Chris:
I don't like the fact at all that he voiced this information the start of D2. He could have saved it in case any of these members were in jeopardy lynched, or saved it to protect himself from being NKed/roleblocked. With chris's meta, it's safe to say that he's hardly ever a NK candidate. He really had nothing to be afraid of if he didn't post that information. There really isn't any part of me that feels Chris is mafia, however, I want to suggest that perhaps Chris can be an insane/naive variation of Two/lie detector. Two is in fact wrong a lot, and the brokenness of this role should have been apparent to faceman. I can't consider the fact that faceman/lyby would let this role be as it appears on paper, there has to be something hidden within it. Suggesting that Chris sends the following statement N2: "Chris is mafia." Opinions?
Two:
Lied about his restrictions, zzzz. I'm a firm believer in the LAL policy but it seems he had reasoning. I don't put it past Two to create this whole Q role from scratch, however I feel the likelihood of Q having a part in this game (suggesting Two doesn't hold the role) to be likely, and I know Two knows that as well. I don't think he would risk having somebody counter-claim on him. Protown.
LadySuburu:
Interesting claim. I believe we should verify it.
Since Chris seems to be confirmed town in most peoples eyes, how about you change his vote to a predetermined player? I'd then like Chris to attempt to change his vote and see if it registers. Should be an easy way to confirm LS as town, assuming you aren't lying.
Rust:
This is another post that struck me as odd. The wording just seems.. forced. Bear in mind this is heavily gut-feelingish.
Okay, taking a break half way through D2. I'm almost caught up to mass-roleclaim point, which I'm looking forward to analyzing like shit. Another similar textwall will probably come within the next 24 hours.
Bolded shit is kind of important
Day 1 impressions:
NoHitter:
I enjoyed his question approach, and I don't feel his intentions were to deliberately scumpaint. If the theme of the game wasn't "corrupt BATs" then it is possible he could have been on to something. If you'd rather be mafia, you'd definitely pick users in PYP more likely to be anti-town. I can name some people with mafia-like traits to them, so usually with D1 material being so scarce, these question responses would be enough to justify a vote for me. Well played nohitter~
bmin:
Your questions, not so much. NoHitter's had apparent reason behind them, yours seem more random. Like I said though, day 1 chatter is usually minimal so I don't really blame you for attempting to start conversation, even if it was arguably off topic. His reaction to attack didn't really sit well with me, even if in my mind the attacks were somewhat unjustified.
akrolsmir:
This post where he calls out bmin was nice, and I got pro-town reads from it. I don't necessarily think speculating about setup is a scumtell, but his post influenced my opinion on bmin a little which is what he was going for.
Wojjan:
Attacked like 8 different people day 1. This may be scumtell but Wojjan tends to be more passive when mafia iirc. Kind of neutral at the time I'm writing this sentence.
Rantai:
This maaaay be grasping, but it definitely crossed my mind as I was reading this post:
Rantai was pro-town in the game he linked, and it seems like him referring to the questions previously answered was a forced attempt at consistent meta. It's not the fact that he didn't want to re-answer the same questions; I don't blame him, but it's how he responded that alarmed me.Rantai wrote:
In regards to your questions: viewtopic.php?p=975713#p975713 No change.
Mashley:
The way I'm writing this post is I'm hopping from member to member adding shit to the list. At the time of writing, Mashley is the fifth person to stand out to me and the person giving me the most anti-town reads. Day 1, he has contributed very little of his own opinions. First, he bandwagoned on the "NoHitter is scum" train, third on board. He then rides rust's suggestion that animask's inactivity could be scummy. He was second to unvote, though that doesn't really suggest bandwagonning. I dunno, Mashley is leaning a bit on the anti-town side of the spectrum.
Okay, capping all that shit there. Those are the players that stuck out to me as of day 1. Since a lot of things changed D2, I figured it deserves a separate section.
Day 2 impressions:
Chris:
I don't like the fact at all that he voiced this information the start of D2. He could have saved it in case any of these members were in jeopardy lynched, or saved it to protect himself from being NKed/roleblocked. With chris's meta, it's safe to say that he's hardly ever a NK candidate. He really had nothing to be afraid of if he didn't post that information. There really isn't any part of me that feels Chris is mafia, however, I want to suggest that perhaps Chris can be an insane/naive variation of Two/lie detector. Two is in fact wrong a lot, and the brokenness of this role should have been apparent to faceman. I can't consider the fact that faceman/lyby would let this role be as it appears on paper, there has to be something hidden within it. Suggesting that Chris sends the following statement N2: "Chris is mafia." Opinions?
Two:
Lied about his restrictions, zzzz. I'm a firm believer in the LAL policy but it seems he had reasoning. I don't put it past Two to create this whole Q role from scratch, however I feel the likelihood of Q having a part in this game (suggesting Two doesn't hold the role) to be likely, and I know Two knows that as well. I don't think he would risk having somebody counter-claim on him. Protown.
LadySuburu:
Interesting claim. I believe we should verify it.
Since Chris seems to be confirmed town in most peoples eyes, how about you change his vote to a predetermined player? I'd then like Chris to attempt to change his vote and see if it registers. Should be an easy way to confirm LS as town, assuming you aren't lying.
Rust:
This is another post that struck me as odd. The wording just seems.. forced. Bear in mind this is heavily gut-feelingish.
The "we should see how the mafia reacts" bit is just very strange wording. Not only is it an attempt to align himself with town, but it's also suggesting the mafia members are apparent, in a strangely worded kind of way. Zzz, hard to get my point across. I just don't like this post.Rust wrote:
I think we should see how the mafia reacts to his claim before we try to analyze it.
Okay, taking a break half way through D2. I'm almost caught up to mass-roleclaim point, which I'm looking forward to analyzing like shit. Another similar textwall will probably come within the next 24 hours.
Hitoshirenu Shourai.
Yes, I am a BAT. However I win with town which is why I disagreed with the possible beginning of the setup before. Again, the reason I stayed quiet was because there was nothing really much to say. If animask was lazy and was Mafia because of it, I should lynch him in the other ones he was in.
To be honest, I want to hear more from you, Haneii. Dragging me out just to do this. Frowny face.
Yes, I am a BAT. However I win with town which is why I disagreed with the possible beginning of the setup before. Again, the reason I stayed quiet was because there was nothing really much to say. If animask was lazy and was Mafia because of it, I should lynch him in the other ones he was in.
To be honest, I want to hear more from you, Haneii. Dragging me out just to do this. Frowny face.
Just clarifying that that textwall does not consider the most recent posts and roleclaims. Apologies, but I ran out of steam temporarily.
[off topic]@pieguy
I'm sorry, RL is being a pain and now I've started school again. I don't have much time to post like I usually do but I am trying to post everyday around the same time :<. Although, I have noticed most of you post regularly and I usually come back to 3 - 4 pages worth of posts after my last one, making me think I'm not posting enough and might be hurting the game. If you guys think the same I guess I can ask for a replacement - if not, I'll continue to post once every 24 and whenever else I get the chance
[/off topic]
I'm sorry, RL is being a pain and now I've started school again. I don't have much time to post like I usually do but I am trying to post everyday around the same time :<. Although, I have noticed most of you post regularly and I usually come back to 3 - 4 pages worth of posts after my last one, making me think I'm not posting enough and might be hurting the game. If you guys think the same I guess I can ask for a replacement - if not, I'll continue to post once every 24 and whenever else I get the chance
[/off topic]Sorry my previous post sounded made next to no sense so I edited it.
Anyway, I'd like to see if Mashley's roleclaim is with town or not. Considering he claimed peppy and Rolled deducting that he's anti-town.
Anyway, I'd like to see if Mashley's roleclaim is with town or not. Considering he claimed peppy and Rolled deducting that he's anti-town.
you are the second person to use "Two is wrong a lot" as an argument against his role, and the second person to supply no evidence to support their claimRolled wrote:
I want to suggest that perhaps Chris can be an insane/naive variation of Two/lie detector. Two is in fact wrong a lot, and the brokenness of this role should have been apparent to faceman.
it's been practically proven by this point that he got the 4 people he listed correct, so are you honestly saying that he just got lucky?
I am against him sending "chris is mafia" because there is no reason to currently believe that his role is inaccurate, and it:
1. wastes a night of his ability
2. clears the stage for another aux to die in vain
the very suggestion of this by someone who knows as much as you makes me think you're mafia
I'm sorryLilac wrote:
To be honest, I want to hear more from you, Haneii. Dragging me out just to do this. Frowny face.
. I'm don't know what else to say, hmmm. Have any questions for me?I think Rolled didn't mean that Chris was mafia...he was just stating the Chris's role might have been that he is insane or naive which certainly puts upon the fact whether the statement he did was actually true or not. Unless Chris himself knows that he is sane.
Just saying...
Just saying...
LadySuburu wrote:
DxS's nonlynch was my fault. I woke up one hour to late to vote for DxS over NoHItter.
Claim: strager
Since I'm so clever, I can take someone's vote and force it onto another player without it updating the votecount. They can't change the vote from then on either.
@rolled
We'd need an exact number of players voting certain other players, and there would have to be no other roles that modify votes. (Doublevoter/voteless)
Also, I'll post my other opinions about your opinions when you're done.
Oh, I guess I'll post one thing since it was already ninja brought up by two.
That mostly sums up what I have to say.Two wrote:
I am against him sending "chris is mafia" because there is no reason to currently believe that his role is inaccurate, and it:
1. wastes a night of his ability
2. clears the stage for another aux to die in vain
the very suggestion of this by someone who knows as much as you makes me think you're mafia
I never said that rolled said that chris was mafia and didn't imply that either
Also no questions. Just post. Like I should be doing.
Rolled wrote:
Suggesting that Chris sends the following statement N2: "Chris is mafia." Opinions?
Might be a waste of time - not sure how long chris will be alive for + would like to get information that can help with lynch decisions first.
Keep in mind that he got silenced today. I know he was inactive at the start of the day, but he can't respond to your comments.pieguy1372 wrote:
DxS - I don't know, he's to inactive
And I have the same problem as Lilac - I don't really have any idea what to say. I don't know about that neutrality though, I don't quite understand.
[/tiredbacktowritesomepapersIRL]
Your definition of proven differs a lot from mine. I won't have confidence in his role's straight-forwardness until it's confirmed by the host in the form of either that question, or post-game role setup. How useful is the information he's providing us with if we can't be certain of its validity? Not to mention, I could WIFOM all day with "If his information is invalid, mafia won't lynch him tonight" etc etc etc. The only way to be certain is for him to ask that or a similar question. And yes, you are wrong enough to have "Naive" in front of a role modeled around yourself ^__^. Women's intuition, after all.Two wrote:
you are the second person to use "Two is wrong a lot" as an argument against his role, and the second person to supply no evidence to support their claimRolled wrote:
I want to suggest that perhaps Chris can be an insane/naive variation of Two/lie detector. Two is in fact wrong a lot, and the brokenness of this role should have been apparent to faceman.
it's been practically proven by this point that he got the 4 people he listed correct, so are you honestly saying that he just got lucky?
I am against him sending "chris is mafia" because there is no reason to currently believe that his role is inaccurate, and it:
1. wastes a night of his ability
2. clears the stage for another aux to die in vain
the very suggestion of this by someone who knows as much as you makes me think you're mafia
Holy fuck there was like 10 replies while I was writing that message.
There was about 3 when I replied with mine.
and if you recall, in the game where I famously said that, I was rightRolled wrote:
Women's intuition, after all.
so I'm still waiting for a solid reason to doubt his role enough to waste a night+sacrifice an aux, because as you know "I doubt 0_o and lybydose would let his role be that strong" is weak as hell
edit: edited in the quote to make it easier to understand who I was talking to
I have been thinking about this one for a while, I have a gut feeling that every result he gets may come out true. Perhaps a statement saying that the other players that he didn't check are pro-town might be able to verify this. (ie A, B, C etc are pro-town)Rolled wrote:
Chris: There really isn't any part of me that feels Chris is mafia, however, I want to suggest that perhaps Chris can be an insane/naive variation of Two/lie detector. Two is in fact wrong a lot, and the brokenness of this role should have been apparent to faceman. I can't consider the fact that faceman/lyby would let this role be as it appears on paper, there has to be something hidden within it. Suggesting that Chris sends the following statement N2: "Chris is mafia." Opinions?
I admit that was very lazy of me but the question layout was identical and I had not changed my opinions in the space of 2 or so games so I thought it would be easier to link instead of retyping.Rolled wrote:
Rantai: This maaaay be grasping, but it definitely crossed my mind as I was reading this post:
etc etc
How is it weak? There's not a single person in this game that would argue how overpowered chris's role is. I give faceman and lyby a lot of credit, too much to consider that role to be straight-forward.
it's weak because we are arguing the strength of his role after the factRolled wrote:
How is it weak?
0_o and lybydose did not know what he would state to them before the game started, and I can almost guarantee they didn't envision "these 4 people are pro-town"
even if you ignore that, you can not seriously say that it's worth throwing away an aux+an extremely informative night ability based on what the hosts may or may not have thought (unless there is solid evidence for that shown in any of 0_o or lybydose's posts)
It doesn't matter in the end though. If they find it's overpowered, they have the right to remove it without forewarning per the rules...
can you show me what you are referring toLilac wrote:
they have the right to remove it without forewarning per the rules...
If you believed that as a possibility and wanted to test it, I would go with a statement like "X is anti-town."Rantai wrote:
I have been thinking about this one for a while, I have a gut feeling that every result he gets may come out true.
If it's true, we lynch X and see. (Proves sanity and potentially gives a mafia.)
If it's false then not every result is true, therefore that can't be the problem with his role.
Here's my opinion on why sanities don't work for his ability, and how we can prove they are true or not if needed.
Naive: Role is instantly useless. Proven by multiple plans, one of which I've outlined above.
Insane: Equally as broken. Test "Chris is Mafia". Once sanity is confirmed you can use the role as normal by asking the opposite question of what you wanted to ask.
Paranoid: Role is instantly useless. Impossible since Chris got a true.
Random: Role is instantly useless.
Other: I can't think of any other sanity types, and pretty much any custom ones would also make his role useless.
As for chris's role, in a situation where you're not gambling you either get a confirmed town or confirmed anti-town every night. Just like a cop. (X is pro town. 0% gamble.)
No one said anything about throwing/disregarding anything.Two wrote:
even if you ignore that, you can not seriously say that it's worth throwing away an aux+an extremely informative night ability based on what the hosts may or may not have thought (unless there is solid evidence for that shown in any of 0_o or lybydose's posts)
It won't hurt to be sure about things?
Although, I don't have any ideas on how to go about that :/. At first I thought maybe use a cop to check if he's mafia but then again, as rolled brought up, there's a possibility he could be insane. If he's insane wouldn't that mean there's a good chance there's a psychiatrist in this game? Maybe he can be cured overnight?
Hurr durr, 0_o or Doc can add a "I reserve the right to change roles" or some crud and bam.OP wrote:
25. I reserve the right to change these rules.
The host of a mafia game needs to consider all possibilities when distributing roles such as these. I realize I'm basing my logic on faceman and lyby's ability to host, but until I have a reason not to, I will continue to do so.
You're suggesting they expected Chris to send in the name of one user each night? Why wouldn't they just give him a cop role.
I know you're planning on hosting a mafia game, what would you expect as a host when designing this role? LS, how about you?
You're suggesting they expected Chris to send in the name of one user each night? Why wouldn't they just give him a cop role.
I know you're planning on hosting a mafia game, what would you expect as a host when designing this role? LS, how about you?
He's using my rules, in which this is in play:Two wrote:
can you show me what you are referring to
25. I reserve the right to change these rules.
Which means any time, any place he can change the rules and the roles. (I don't expect him to, and I honestly don't change roles mid-game with that rule unless it's 100% apperent that the game can't continue properly otherwise. As in, the revivals from the old Ace of Hearts games. I would have changed the role right then and there.)
That being said, I doubt he will since I don't believe Chris's role to be overpowered. It's a gambling role that when played safe is just a cop.
I hate it when like 5 people post at the same time...
Rolled, I feel like ladysuburu just owned your argument completely but I will respond one last time to what you just said.
and again, there is no point trying to convince people to go against facts based off of feelings you have that aren't evidenced in reality
You're suggesting they expected Chris to send in the name of one user each night? Why wouldn't they just give him a cop role.I think it's just to allow more flexibility. It could turn into a watcher role, or it could be whatever that role is called that says how many mafia voted for someone
and again, there is no point trying to convince people to go against facts based off of feelings you have that aren't evidenced in reality
I've partially answered this before, but I'll go into more detail here.Rolled wrote:
I know you're planning on hosting a mafia game, what would you expect as a host when designing this role? LS, how about you?
In a small game using this exact role, I would likely put limitations on the role. (Or not use it.) Since in a 9 man with 2 mafia, you can break the game rather easilly. I would expect someone to either use it as a Cop, or use it like "A, B, and C are town." Since you get 3 lynch attempts in a 9 man game, you would get a guarenteed mafia kill or 3 confirmed town. (Although, put into LyLo.) Or, "A and B are town." Again, you get two confirmed town or a confirmed mafia and not even in LyLo.
In a game this size, I would not limit the role. The gambles become less effective and more risky once you factor more players and neutral roles. We've already confirmed a Lyncher which is not pro-town, and we know there's likely 3 mafia. Again, used in the safest way a role like this is a cop. The more you gamble with it, the more risky it is. Although, "A and B are pro-town." Gives decent information with less sacrifice, but once you've claimed you're vulnerable. (This being said, I would have to playtest it more to understand the power of the role. I likely won't use lie detectors except in gimmick games anyway, but that's just me as a host.)
So as I've said about 3 times and I hope I've conveyed properly by now, Chris's role is not overpowered. Chris just got lucky / made a smart choice of players to choose from.
I assume that if he had gotten false, he would have narrowed it down more before claiming.
Anything else I need to explain?
(Actually enjoying this.)The fact of the matter is, not everybody is 100% confident in the results Chris brings to the table. Taking an insane-test will ensure that his role is straight forward (or prove to be the opposite), thus allowing everybody to gather opinions based on the information he brings.
Your attitude towards the matter is selfish, almost as if you don't want to reveal Chris to be insane. If you wanted the best for your teammates, assuming they are town, then you would support establishing confidence for the rest of your team, even if you are 101% certain yourself.
@LS:
/fixedquote
Your attitude towards the matter is selfish, almost as if you don't want to reveal Chris to be insane. If you wanted the best for your teammates, assuming they are town, then you would support establishing confidence for the rest of your team, even if you are 101% certain yourself.
@LS:
Not equally as broken, because it requires a dummy-night to verify. The insane variation could be an attempt to balance the brokenness of the role.LS wrote:
Insane: Equally as broken. Test "Chris is Mafia". Once sanity is confirmed you can use the role as normal by asking the opposite question of what you wanted to ask.
/fixedquote
I'd also like to add @Two, you may say LS is owning my argument, however both of your reasonings are opposite. You're suggesting Chris's role is overpowered and 0_o didn't notice, while LS is suggesting the role is balanced.
You really don't care what the logic is behind something, as long as they share the same yes/no answer.
You really don't care what the logic is behind something, as long as they share the same yes/no answer.
The question isn't whether you are 100% confident in his results. It's whether you doubt them enough to sacrifice a power role & waste a night of his ability. The only reason you have is baseless speculation about 0_o and lybydose's foresight. I said I wasn't going to respond again but jeez it's like you inherited your predecessor's aversion to reading.
edit: and in regards to ladysuburu I felt he closed any holes for that argument to crawl out of
edit: and in regards to ladysuburu I felt he closed any holes for that argument to crawl out of
Okay, so It's almost equally as broken just takes a startup night. It still would give the results and you wouldn't claim until you had them.Rolled wrote:
The fact of the matter is, not everybody is 100% confident in the results Chris brings to the table. Taking an insane-test will ensure that his role is straight forward (or prove to be the opposite), thus allowing everybody to gather opinions based on the information he brings.
Your attitude towards the matter is selfish, almost as if you don't want to reveal Chris to be insane. If you wanted the best for your teammates, assuming they are town, then you would support establishing confidence for the rest of your team, even if you are 101% certain yourself.
@LS:
Not equally as broken, because it requires a dummy-night to verify. The insane variation could be an attempt to balance the brokenness of the role.
As for confirming his sanity with that role, it's still a bad idea at this point. Since we're already entangled in with Chris claimed, they're going to kill him as soon as possible. Wasting a result at this point could mean wasting our only other result we'll ever get. Based on claims that have gone out and knowing myself as town (and Mashley all but confirming it with his Lyncher claim), I'm sure enough that Chris is sane that I'm willing to follow him as if it was "Follow the Cop". I'm usually the one who doesn't trust anyone (At least internally, if I show it or not.)
If we get down to the point where it becomes important to verify Chris (Days later) Then we can do so. However I'd rather not give up our main advantage at the moment when I assume he'll be dead or useless by the next day.
Truth is, if Chris is correct, town would need to screw up a lot in order to lose a game with like 6 confirmed townies d2. However, town is destined to lose if he is in fact insane and gets lynched before he is able to prove it. There would be a 0 chance of town recovering if we base all future lynches around Chris's false information. Verifying the information is worth one less night of added information on his part, imo.
There's not much more I can argue at this point with you. The main difference here that makes it impossible for me to do so is this:Rolled wrote:
Truth is, if Chris is correct, town would need to screw up a lot in order to lose a game with like 6 confirmed townies d2. However, town is destined to lose if he is in fact insane and gets lynched before he is able to prove it. There would be a 0 chance of town recovering if we base all future lynches around Chris's false information. Verifying the information is worth one less night of added information on his part, imo.
I believe based on the information that I have that Chris is sane.
You don't believe this.
Also, this statement is false and assumes we're all idiots:
However, town is destined to lose if he is in fact insane and gets lynched before he is able to prove it. There would be a 0 chance of town recovering if we base all future lynches around Chris's false information.Assuming we get to a point where things are that dire or almost that dire, we'd then consider rethinking the information. This is also not counting any other auxes we may have that can gather information. (Day before LyLo, for example.)
If we halt the information gathering now, we lessen our chances to win instead of basically guarenteeing them.
If we HAD to test a statement to confirm his sanity, I would test "Mashley is anti-town." He's claimed Lyncher, so if False Chris is insane. If True we verify his claim AND Chris's sanity. I still think it's a waste, but it's more productive than what you've suggested IMO.
Would neutral count as anti-town? And even if he did come up anti-town, he still could be lying about being a lyncher. I don't really think it's productiveLadySuburu wrote:
If we HAD to test a statement to confirm his sanity, I would test "Mashley is anti-town." He's claimed Lyncher, so if False Chris is insane. If True we verify his claim AND Chris's sanity. I still think it's a waste, but it's more productive than what you've suggested IMO.
Neutral, which a Lyncher is not, is not anti-town. However, even if he's lying about being a lyncher then he would be mafia or SK. We have to lynch him later anyway, and the sanity confirmation would still stand.Two wrote:
Would neutral count as anti-town? And even if he did come up anti-town, he still could be lying about being a lyncher. I don't really think it's productive
You could do "Mashley is not pro-town." and that would take care of Neutral. He would have absolutely no reason to claim what he did as town.
Again, I'd rather not waste the detect, but it's more useful.
yeah but the thing is we already know he isn't pro-town, so it's the same as chris sending "chris is mafia"
There's plenty of things more efficient than what I suggested that still prove Chris's (in)sanity. I just offered the baseline, expecting others to expand upon it.
I probably won't be able to read this entire thread and come up with a vote I feel satisfied with by the end of D2 (assuming that's in like 14 hours) I have to go to bed now, and have a shit ton of homework due tomorrow which I need to do before class.
I have a lot I'd like to add regarding the mass roleclaim thing, just don't really have the time to do it. Just going to hope that I see day 3.
I probably won't be able to read this entire thread and come up with a vote I feel satisfied with by the end of D2 (assuming that's in like 14 hours) I have to go to bed now, and have a shit ton of homework due tomorrow which I need to do before class.
I have a lot I'd like to add regarding the mass roleclaim thing, just don't really have the time to do it. Just going to hope that I see day 3.
True, I guess. Of course If he's neutral he's of no harm to us and should've claimed so anyway as opposed to claiming an anti-town role. Based on that, "Mashley is anti-town." would still be better IMO. Unless there's another reason it wouldn't work?Two wrote:
yeah but the thing is we already know he isn't pro-town, so it's the same as chris sending "chris is mafia"
well myyyyyy opinion is that we wasted way too much time talking about something that excuses mafia from posting
I still think a foulcoon lynch is the best way to go, and I think we should stop focusing on the least likely among us (like I said pages and pages ago)
I still think a foulcoon lynch is the best way to go, and I think we should stop focusing on the least likely among us (like I said pages and pages ago)
That's likely true.Two wrote:
well myyyyyy opinion is that we wasted way too much time talking about something that excuses mafia from posting
Mind reminding me why specifically you think foul should be lynched? I'm considering him as a lynch but he's not at the top for me.
Lynching foulcoon was something I planned on suggesting once I eventually caught up on the thread. Once I read the theme, I couldn't imagine him picking anybody other than BATs (or ex-bats, something along those lines ((awp, ival, seibei, rolled))
I bet I got at least 2/3 correct foul.
Combine that with his passive behavior. From memory, I recall him being more aggressive when having a pro-town role.
I bet I got at least 2/3 correct foul.
Combine that with his passive behavior. From memory, I recall him being more aggressive when having a pro-town role.
here you go
SPOILER
a vote against him, for some reason, rattled him enough to post awkardly on his phone from work:
with foulcoon, I don't know why day 1 he decided to vote at all, but I'm torn because I don't think town would have voted for deathxshinigami at that point (mashley is the only target that made sense)I think ivalset has a high likelyhood of being a mafia role, and I think his claim to be ivalset was done to be used as a tool to keep him from being lynched
day 2 when lilac proposed the vigilante kill deathxshinigami, he didn't even express opposition to it and instead chose to say this:
Quote:
Why wouldn't a vig be able to kill DxS? He already avoided lynch somehow, are you saying he could avoid bullets too? That would be OP :S
which in my mind is encouraging a vigilante to do it
a vote against him, for some reason, rattled him enough to post awkardly on his phone from work:
foulcoon wrote:
|Sorry guys I spent the holiday with my family and I wasn't able to follow the thread.
Right now the top two people I find suspicious are DxS and LunaticMara. DxS for claiming to have some awesome role and not posting after LS practically explained that it was possible DxS did nothing to affect the vote..|
1. I think a player of your caliber would know that deathxshinigami wasn't mafia and that lunaticmara missing that is actually a town tell
2. you are extremely likely to have picked 1 or more BATs for your role choices
oh and I honestly would rather one of these lurkers voted so they have a reason to talk, unvote, vote: foulcoon
well for someone who wanted to pressure lurkers, you didn't and haven't been doing much pressuringall of these quotes are of me btw
and was it really coincidence that you were online such a short amount of time from my vote for you, or do you normally just opt not to post (and thus opt not to contribute to town)?
and again, how can you say you wouldn't pick bats when I almost can't imagine you not picking them? want to share who you did pick? for full disclosure, I picked quaraezha animask and bmin11
Mmk, that's good enough reason for me when combined with how I already felt. I'll save the other players for analysis tomorrow. Wanted to know semi-quickly since I'm basically done with the thread for tonight which means day'll likely end before I see it again. I'll be sending in my hidden vote as well.
Vote: Foulcoon
Vote: Foulcoon
So what you're saying is that I was the silence target and DxS isn't quite as obvious town as before. Thanks Rolled <3Rolled wrote:
I must say I spent the last hour or so trying to plan how I'd dig myself out of this hole animask dug, but I actually am Rokodo the bus driver.
The first night animask switched DxS with foulcoon, if that can possibly validate my role with a few people.
Also Ivalset is not a fucking BAT guys. You're making a mistake.
Well guess what? I'm a BAT and I'm with town.
Considering that I'm the only one claiming BAT, I don't think the Mafia is consisting of just pure BAT.
Considering that I'm the only one claiming BAT, I don't think the Mafia is consisting of just pure BAT.
That or people are lying about their roles.
doubleposting
im tired k goodnight
im tired k goodnight
Bus driver only applies to night actions, and DxS was silenced mid-day.foulcoon wrote:
So what you're saying is that I was the silence target and DxS isn't quite as obvious town as before. Thanks Rolled <3Rolled wrote:
I must say I spent the last hour or so trying to plan how I'd dig myself out of this hole animask dug, but I actually am Rokodo the bus driver.
The first night animask switched DxS with foulcoon, if that can possibly validate my role with a few people.
Also Ivalset is not a fucking BAT guys. You're making a mistake.
Regardless of if Ival is a BAT or not, I still see you as scummy. Lying about a claim is easy.
Topic Starter
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foulcoon (2) Two, LadySuburu
Lilac (1) akrolsmir
Haneii (1) pieguy
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foulcoon (2) Two, LadySuburu
Lilac (1) akrolsmir
Haneii (1) pieguy
7.75 hours remaining
Lot of things happened while I was asleep woah 
As much as I hate how this vote will look like a bandwagoning, I can't find a reason why I shouldn't vote for. I was planning on voting for Lilac, but his "Well guess what? I'm a BAT and I'm with town." seems like it will be him or another situation. Lilac's respond should be what foulcoon should have said if Lilac is telling the truth.
Vote: foulcoon
tl;dr
Anyway, just made a list of people of whatever it could be used for
Town:
Two, LS, Wojjan, Chris, Rolled, DeathxShinigami (still could be independent, but atlease not with mafia), rust45
No standings:
Mara, pieguy, akrolsmir, foulcoon, bmin11, Rantai, Haneii, Lilac
Anti-Town:
Mashley
Claimed BAT:
Wojjan, Haneii, Lilac
As much as I hate how this vote will look like a bandwagoning, I can't find a reason why I shouldn't vote for. I was planning on voting for Lilac, but his "Well guess what? I'm a BAT and I'm with town." seems like it will be him or another situation. Lilac's respond should be what foulcoon should have said if Lilac is telling the truth.
Vote: foulcoon
tl;dr
Haneii also claimed to be a BAT (Shinxyn) if this ever helpsLilac wrote:
I'm the only one claiming BAT
Anyway, just made a list of people of whatever it could be used for
Town:
Two, LS, Wojjan, Chris, Rolled, DeathxShinigami (still could be independent, but atlease not with mafia), rust45
No standings:
Mara, pieguy, akrolsmir, foulcoon, bmin11, Rantai, Haneii, Lilac
Anti-Town:
Mashley
Claimed BAT:
Wojjan, Haneii, Lilac
oh wow, there were 3 new pages of posts since I last checked the thread o.o
I personally think Haneii is more suspicious than foulcoon. For whatever reason, I have a gut feeling foulcoon isn't mafia, and I already said I'm suspicious of Haneii because he's neutral on everything. For this reason, I'm not going to vote foulcoon.
inb4foulcoon is mafia
I personally think Haneii is more suspicious than foulcoon. For whatever reason, I have a gut feeling foulcoon isn't mafia, and I already said I'm suspicious of Haneii because he's neutral on everything. For this reason, I'm not going to vote foulcoon.
inb4foulcoon is mafia
not voting for foulcoon is the same as voting for him at this point
Why did he have to wait for someone to post then? I'm pretty sure he got silenced at night OR (less likely) he got silenced before he posted at all.LadySuburu wrote:
Bus driver only applies to night actions, and DxS was silenced mid-day.
Regardless of if Ival is a BAT or not, I still see you as scummy. Lying about a claim is easy.
why did who have to wait for who to post?
we don't know what order the events actually happened in
due to pm delay I would say that it's possible he was silenced before he actually posted
it's also possible for it to have a delayed effect
and also possible that he silenced himself to make himself seem town
we don't know what order the events actually happened in
due to pm delay I would say that it's possible he was silenced before he actually posted
it's also possible for it to have a delayed effect
and also possible that he silenced himself to make himself seem town
Roleclaim: Ivalset - Night Vig
that's so amazingly racist.
at least I'm not Ivalset - Fried Chicken Enthusiast
...and I won't believe it ♫foulcoon wrote:
Roleclaim: Ivalset - Night Vig
yeah I have 4 votes on me anyway and I'm pretty much guaranteed to be lynched because nobody is even here to vote.
so now is a good time to come clean as mafia and out your friends
okay my friends are Chris, rust45, and Wojjan
it was obviously a joke