Okay, so It's almost equally as broken just takes a startup night. It still would give the results and you wouldn't claim until you had them.Rolled wrote:
The fact of the matter is, not everybody is 100% confident in the results Chris brings to the table. Taking an insane-test will ensure that his role is straight forward (or prove to be the opposite), thus allowing everybody to gather opinions based on the information he brings.
Your attitude towards the matter is selfish, almost as if you don't want to reveal Chris to be insane. If you wanted the best for your teammates, assuming they are town, then you would support establishing confidence for the rest of your team, even if you are 101% certain yourself.
@LS:
Not equally as broken, because it requires a dummy-night to verify. The insane variation could be an attempt to balance the brokenness of the role.
There's not much more I can argue at this point with you. The main difference here that makes it impossible for me to do so is this:Rolled wrote:
Truth is, if Chris is correct, town would need to screw up a lot in order to lose a game with like 6 confirmed townies d2. However, town is destined to lose if he is in fact insane and gets lynched before he is able to prove it. There would be a 0 chance of town recovering if we base all future lynches around Chris's false information. Verifying the information is worth one less night of added information on his part, imo.
However, town is destined to lose if he is in fact insane and gets lynched before he is able to prove it. There would be a 0 chance of town recovering if we base all future lynches around Chris's false information.Assuming we get to a point where things are that dire or almost that dire, we'd then consider rethinking the information. This is also not counting any other auxes we may have that can gather information. (Day before LyLo, for example.)
Would neutral count as anti-town? And even if he did come up anti-town, he still could be lying about being a lyncher. I don't really think it's productiveLadySuburu wrote:
If we HAD to test a statement to confirm his sanity, I would test "Mashley is anti-town." He's claimed Lyncher, so if False Chris is insane. If True we verify his claim AND Chris's sanity. I still think it's a waste, but it's more productive than what you've suggested IMO.
Neutral, which a Lyncher is not, is not anti-town. However, even if he's lying about being a lyncher then he would be mafia or SK. We have to lynch him later anyway, and the sanity confirmation would still stand.Two wrote:
Would neutral count as anti-town? And even if he did come up anti-town, he still could be lying about being a lyncher. I don't really think it's productive
True, I guess. Of course If he's neutral he's of no harm to us and should've claimed so anyway as opposed to claiming an anti-town role. Based on that, "Mashley is anti-town." would still be better IMO. Unless there's another reason it wouldn't work?Two wrote:
yeah but the thing is we already know he isn't pro-town, so it's the same as chris sending "chris is mafia"
That's likely true.Two wrote:
well myyyyyy opinion is that we wasted way too much time talking about something that excuses mafia from posting
with foulcoon, I don't know why day 1 he decided to vote at all, but I'm torn because I don't think town would have voted for deathxshinigami at that point (mashley is the only target that made sense)I think ivalset has a high likelyhood of being a mafia role, and I think his claim to be ivalset was done to be used as a tool to keep him from being lynched
day 2 when lilac proposed the vigilante kill deathxshinigami, he didn't even express opposition to it and instead chose to say this:
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Why wouldn't a vig be able to kill DxS? He already avoided lynch somehow, are you saying he could avoid bullets too? That would be OP :S
which in my mind is encouraging a vigilante to do it
foulcoon wrote:
|Sorry guys I spent the holiday with my family and I wasn't able to follow the thread.
Right now the top two people I find suspicious are DxS and LunaticMara. DxS for claiming to have some awesome role and not posting after LS practically explained that it was possible DxS did nothing to affect the vote..|
1. I think a player of your caliber would know that deathxshinigami wasn't mafia and that lunaticmara missing that is actually a town tell
2. you are extremely likely to have picked 1 or more BATs for your role choices
oh and I honestly would rather one of these lurkers voted so they have a reason to talk, unvote, vote: foulcoon
well for someone who wanted to pressure lurkers, you didn't and haven't been doing much pressuringall of these quotes are of me btw
and was it really coincidence that you were online such a short amount of time from my vote for you, or do you normally just opt not to post (and thus opt not to contribute to town)?
and again, how can you say you wouldn't pick bats when I almost can't imagine you not picking them? want to share who you did pick? for full disclosure, I picked quaraezha animask and bmin11
So what you're saying is that I was the silence target and DxS isn't quite as obvious town as before. Thanks Rolled <3Rolled wrote:
I must say I spent the last hour or so trying to plan how I'd dig myself out of this hole animask dug, but I actually am Rokodo the bus driver.
The first night animask switched DxS with foulcoon, if that can possibly validate my role with a few people.
Bus driver only applies to night actions, and DxS was silenced mid-day.foulcoon wrote:
So what you're saying is that I was the silence target and DxS isn't quite as obvious town as before. Thanks Rolled <3Rolled wrote:
I must say I spent the last hour or so trying to plan how I'd dig myself out of this hole animask dug, but I actually am Rokodo the bus driver.
The first night animask switched DxS with foulcoon, if that can possibly validate my role with a few people.
Also Ivalset is not a fucking BAT guys. You're making a mistake.
Haneii also claimed to be a BAT (Shinxyn) if this ever helpsLilac wrote:
I'm the only one claiming BAT
Why did he have to wait for someone to post then? I'm pretty sure he got silenced at night OR (less likely) he got silenced before he posted at all.LadySuburu wrote:
Bus driver only applies to night actions, and DxS was silenced mid-day.
Regardless of if Ival is a BAT or not, I still see you as scummy. Lying about a claim is easy.
...and I won't believe it ♫foulcoon wrote:
Roleclaim: Ivalset - Night Vig
most inclined to vote akrolsmir right nowRolled wrote:
Pick somebody that hasn't claimed.
bmin's list:
No standings:
Mara, pieguy, akrolsmir,foulcoon, bmin11, Rantai, Haneii, Lilac
I just don't want to make the wrong decision.Two wrote:
that doesn't really matter, does it? I mean, you know for a fact that you aren't
Hey, I woke in time, and you guys all switched to the guy my gut was on first.0_o wrote:
Vote Count
akrolsmir (4) Two, foulcoon, Rolled, bmin
foulcoon (1) LadySuburu
Lilac (1) akrolsmir
Haneii (1) pieguy
1.5 hours remaining
so town will win, that's whyakrolsmir wrote:
Also why rantai?
The same reason we did to youakrolsmir wrote:
Also why rantai?
Once per day. Once I've used it it's stuck there.Rolled wrote:
Out of curiosity, can you change your hidden vote at any time LS?
DxS kind-of implied his ability was day based and potentially related to his death. Since we likely aren't lynching him anytime soon, here's what I thought. I thought he was more of a Targeted Bomb / Vengeful Townie. Whomever he was voting for when lynched would die as well.Rolled wrote:
I suspect foul to be more along the lines of SK.
Maybe DxS was roleblocked due to the whole "taking someone down with me," roleblocking foulcoon instead. Foulcoon really was the only person to acknowledge animask's bus driver move n1.
ps skipped my 5:00 class
If you can do both the same night, cool. If not, stick to shooting.akrolsmir wrote:
Hi I'm actually still here.
I don't know if having a vig shot necessarily disproves foulcoon as a night vig, since we already know there was a cop and there's probably still a doctor. Though the other points about him are good, I'd want to see who gets shot tonight before deciding further.
Remember, I can choose to investigate one person too...
I don't actually know- that didn't occur to me. I'll ask the mod, but probably just do one or the risk of being roleblocked goes up.LadySuburu wrote:
If you can do both the same night, cool. If not, stick to shooting.
By the number of NKs I thought. Well this will also put akrolsmir under possible SK list, but I think we can think about that later. I'm not thinking too critically at all right now (not even considering WIFOM at the moment)Two wrote:
how would it be obvious when his target is the same and the death message is the same
Claimed BATGMT =/= BAT
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