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Cyclohexane
I S'd a few Stream maps and A'd some Experts, really really nice app.

However, don't you think osu!stream is easier to play on iPad than iPod? I play on iPod Touch 2G and sometimes cluttered notes are tricky!
Hello_old
it is 10% battery drained in 30 minutes.Sure the graphic is really really cool.but don't u think the consumption is too much for a rhythm game?And I'm anxious about the heat,Would my ipad exploded after 2~3 hours gaming?...XD
NoHitter
Just wondering.
Isn't the port to Android of this being considered?
Gabi
IIRC android osu!stream is also in progress, you'll just have to wait a little longer.
peppy

X wrote:

it is 10% battery drained in 30 minutes.Sure the graphic is really really cool.but don't u think the consumption is too much for a rhythm game?And I'm anxious about the heat,Would my ipad exploded after 2~3 hours gaming?...XD
hmm, i'll test other games, but i think that is quite standard? that's 5 hours of gameplay :o.
KanbeKotori
Oh it's so hard to get a high acc. Many 100 on sliders. I think if we can lower the OD of maps ?
Cyclohexane
KanbeKotori, the OD is going to get lowered on the next build.

I'm thankful for that because it makes Expert maps really really hard to S.
D33d
I am seriously looking forward to getting this for Android. I still haven't bothered to buy a new phone, as I can never make my mind up on which to buy. However, I might end up being swayed into a device with a 4"+ screen. I've been wanting the Desire Z since it'd came out, but would any of you say that that might be too small?
Jalatiphra
GOOOOD I CANT STOP PLAYING

WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU DO PEPPY :)


awesome :)
Parsley
This app will makes it clear what tablet to buy. Would never get an iPad and the Playbook will never be able to top this. Go Android!
Guy-kun
So... Still waiting for my solid gold maps.
MMzz
When does android get it.
MarKKaM
New slider system is too hard. So, i usually get 100 or 50 points. Peppy, maybe it's better to make sliders like in PC version of osu (i mean, it will be not important, how far the approachcircle is from slidercircle when u press it, the most important thing - to bring the slider to the end)
Hope, you'll understand me ^_^
mm201

MMzz wrote:

When does android get it.
When it's done.

MarKKaM777 wrote:

New slider system is too hard. So, i usually get 100 or 50 points. Peppy, maybe it's better to make sliders like in PC version of osu (i mean, it will be not important, how far the approachcircle is from slidercircle when u press it, the most important thing - to bring the slider to the end)
Hope, you'll understand me ^_^
Slider scoring is also being made more generous. In the next version, you should always get at least an 100 unless you break your combo on the slider. Getting a 300 on the slider requires hitting the head with perfect accuracy. This isn't authentic, but it's the way peppy wants it to be. (TBH, sliders were a little too easy in Ouendan, so I can support this change.)

Since the "perfect accuracy" requirement for slider heads is the same as hitting a 300 on a hitcircle, and this is being reduced, sliders will become a little easier still.

An instantaneous loss of screen contact will cause slider judgement to become much stricter. This is being looked into.
MarKKaM

mm201 wrote:

Slider scoring is also being made more generous. In the next version, you should always get at least an 100 unless you break your combo on the slider. Getting a 300 on the slider requires hitting the head with perfect accuracy. This isn't authentic, but it's the way peppy wants it to be. (TBH, sliders were a little too easy in Ouendan, so I can support this change.)

Since the "perfect accuracy" requirement for slider heads is the same as hitting a 300 on a hitcircle, and this is being reduced, sliders will become a little easier still.

An instantaneous loss of screen contact will cause slider judgement to become much stricter. This is being looked into.
Thanks for the detailed answer. Everything is good now, but i hope it will be perfect! ;)
One more advice : the line, which connects two simultaneously appearing hitcircles should be colored in more vivid colour, for example blue or black, because sometimes it's difficult to see it.
mm201
Black would be much harder to see IMO. I find they look very bright and noticeable right now. As a spacing reader, I notice them right away and can react appropriately.
MarKKaM
Well, so i have to train :P
Lesjuh
Loving it! It requires a little bit more control over my left thumb/hand to fc on expert mode haha but I'm sure I'll get better by time. Well done everyone who's involved!
Roga-don
Right now I'm having a great time trying to A'd expert songs with only one hand :lol:
I hope more song packs to get released soon ! I loooooove this game so much, and I only played it for one day :o
Lilac
Played it first on my dad's iPhone today and almost missed the bus while doing so! It was pretty cool.

Played it better when I got home today on my brother's iTouch (Since I've only got a Classic.) and I've just managed to unlock all 4 Insane modes. It took us a while to figure out that you had to download the other 2 maps in-app. I look forward to more stuff and even spending money to buy some maps.
Chuggles
Playing this at 3 in the morning, really addictive and will be showing it to all of my mates when I see them next

It's going to mean more people on the PC version as well, which I can only see as a good thing.
GladiOol
I really wonder, who mapped which map in this game?
I'm going for James at Amane - Being Proof, but I can't figure out the rest xD
peppy

GladiOol wrote:

I really wonder, who mapped which map in this game?
I'm going for James at Amane - Being Proof, but I can't figure out the rest xD
Maybe we can have a competition at matching these up ;).
Roga-don
Then I'll not participate, Sushi already told me for his maps :(
Quaraezha
The Song Select Screen doesn't show the mappers?
xsrsbsns
Nicely done, hold notes and same-time-notes are fun!
Needs more training for left hand play and sliders :(

Quaraezha wrote:

The Song Select Screen doesn't show the mappers?
The version I played doesn't, but a screenshot for the iPad's on the appstore site shows mapper names.
http://a2.mzstatic.com/us/r1000/116/Pur ... 480-75.jpg
Lesjuh

Quaraezha wrote:

The Song Select Screen doesn't show the mappers?
Everyone who has never heard of osu! will be like 'What does sushi have to do with this?' or 'What is a lybydose?'.
GladiOol
Aww yeah I was right about James \:D/

I really love the maps in this game so far~ I really hope new ones (free? <3) will come out soon
peppy

xsrsbsns wrote:

The version I played doesn't, but a screenshot for the iPad's on the appstore site shows mapper names.
http://a2.mzstatic.com/us/r1000/116/Pur ... 480-75.jpg
oSHI! competition's off guys ><
Mara
Why nobody near me has iPad or iPhone? I'd like to test this out.
Roga-don


Peppy. Please, Explain me. I know that it's difficult to have an S, BUT IN THS CASE, it's close to be impossible ;_;

Seriously, some maps are really easy to S, some arent. REALLY :o
MarKKaM
It looks like you need to score over900000 points at least on each map to get S grade.
CXu
I need to stop watching osu!stream videos. They make me jealous ;_;
Roga-don

MarKKaM777 wrote:

It looks like you need to score over900000 points at least on each map to get S grade.
Ok, but for this one it's almost impossible. (for instance) An S is really easier to get for March Handyman, and not only because of the map in itself :/
OzzyOzrock
NEEDS MORE STRUCTURE MAPPERS I CAN'T PLAY THIS GAME UNLESS I SEE SOME SLIDER ART ACTION
mm201
Play Septette, or otherwise wait for Love Color, Master Spark and Vision of Misty Rain.
OzzyOzrock
Lol, Septette just has some nice arcs, but I wanna see Krisom or Gonzvlo stuff, or your stuf with the tree and whatnot lol.

But I understand that there's not enough songs to base how they'll all be lol.

EDIT: Oh god how many times did I say 'lol'? lol.
mm201
There are plenty of songs to go around. The problem is time, and that none of the offerings from "structure mappers" are ready.
We will be expanding our mapping team once we get more feedback from the players and figure out the essential qualities of good maps.
Zetta

peppy wrote:

Daru wrote:

So you were able to contact the creators of the songs and obtain rights to use them in osu!stream?
Yes, permission has been obtained.
This worries me.

If you get permission to use their songs and they think "Oh hey I wonder what standard osu is like" and see all of their OTHER songs chilling on osu, what will happen to the game we've come to love and adore like a newborn baby?

I don't want to give him up to a foster home. :(
Randy96
if they care they'd file infringement and we'd lose the songs
mm201
http://osu.ppy.sh/p/copyright

tl;dr: We blame the mapper, remove the map, and move on.
dvorak_old

Roga-don wrote:

Peppy. Please, Explain me. I know that it's difficult to have an S, BUT IN THS CASE, it's close to be impossible ;_;

Seriously, some maps are really easy to S, some arent. REALLY :o

you will get S sooner or later.
OzzyOzrock
don't get 100s at the end lol
Rena-chan

D33d wrote:

I am seriously looking forward to getting this for Android. I still haven't bothered to buy a new phone, as I can never make my mind up on which to buy. However, I might end up being swayed into a device with a 4"+ screen. I've been wanting the Desire Z since it'd came out, but would any of you say that that might be too small?
I dunno~
You might be right, it is kiiiiiiinda small. At any rate, I'll let you know how it plays on my Desire Z when it's out !

Meanwhile, maybe I should see if I can hijack my mom's iPad and install osu!stream on that.
Rewcal
Extremely dissapointed. I wrote a review however it doesn't seem to have gone through. Makes me sad but, sorry Peppy, this just isn't a good game.
peppy
Thanks a lot for the extremely constructive feedback :)
Rewcal
Okay okay that was a little harsh, sorry, if anything I'm annoyed because my App store review doesn't seem to have appeared. I poured my heart and soul into that detailed and passionate review and now it's gone... On an iPhone aswell! And I suck at writing with iPhones.

If you wish I will re-write it here though, as I have nothing better to do! Personally myself I plan on sticking with PC-osu though. I love this game, I'm just not so in love with it's app counterpart :D
peppy
Reviews are not displayed instantly, as they go through (apparently) a moderation process at Apple's end. You can write reviews from iTunes to save the keyboard pain. Also osu!stream should not be compared to osu!; they are two completely separate projects and games, with different design decisions and goals.
Rewcal
I see. Well in that case have fun reading it when it pops up? xD

That is a fair point, however in my review (rvdfan64@aol.com if you're interested), I compare it to the other rhythm game app I play to soothe my finger tapping urges when I'm out and about, DDR S. Which I think is fair enough.

(And really I only mention PC-osu! now because I want to tell you how awesome it is hehe, and praise you rather than critisize your app)...

P.S. No but really, I'll be a supporter for a long time :L
Guy-kun

peppy wrote:

GladiOol wrote:

Paying for only 3 maps seems a bit too much for me, so not going to do that ):
On-par or cheaper than every other rhythm game on iOS and other platforms. Consider you are getting the game for free, and each song can take upwards of 100 man-hours to obtain rights, map and polish. Consider that support, maintenance, new features, server and distribution costs are not free.
What happened to the free community spirit? It's more of a business model now...
Taking 100 hours to get 1 song ready seems to imply the process is a bit convoluted and should be changed doesn't it?
peppy

Guy-kun wrote:

What happened to the free community spirit? It's more of a business model now...
Correct, it is a business model. osu!stream != osu! and never will. It is a separate project with a separate aim. In order to get it prepared I have quit my day job, so it could also be considered a possible source of income. It is also part of my endeavour to try and help smaller artist become more known, and provide them a stream of revenue that can help them create more work in the future, and possibly grow larger.

Even so, I think there is something to be said about offering the application for free, along with four songs and more to come? Nah, nevermind, there's definitely not community spirit there.[/slightsarcasm]

Guy-kun wrote:

Taking 100 hours to get 1 song ready seems to imply the process is a bit convoluted and should be changed doesn't it?
It may be able to be improved, but that doesn't change that a lot of effort is still required (much of which I believe cannot be avoided). Making stream-matching levels involved more than standard osu! maps, as does planning for the touchscreen platform. Testing is relatively rigorous to ensure a high standard of maps. Also have to consider the time spend communicating with artists for licencing, packaging, precision timing etc.

Nonetheless, thanks for your one star App Store rating. The feedback is always appreciated :).
Roga-don

Guy-kun wrote:

What happened to the free community spirit? It's more of a business model now...
You're right, but it's the only way for the game to exist on the appstore. However, the game is evolving to a new stade, and I don't think it's a bad thing. I mean, it has the capacities to go into something greater, so I think peppy's right going in a commercial system (well, it's kinda hard too xD).

(PS:Bad english wooops)
peppy
It is also a step towards my ultimate goal of bringing osu! to the arcades (at least in countries which still have those things :P). Keep in mind that it will in no way affect my dedication to osu!, so if the commercial model does not fit into your values then just stay away from the paid packs and enjoy the free ones? Or just leave osu!stream alone (but remember to give it a one star review before leaving, because that's the trendy thing to do).

I think people who question the fact there are paid elements in osu!stream should probably take a step back and understand that not everything in life is/should be free. Music does actually take effort and cost money to compose, produce and obtain rights to. Making games is likewise -- code doesn't write itself. Maybe it's a good chance to realise how privileged we all are here at osu! for how things currently work in the community :D.
Guy-kun

peppy wrote:

Correct, it is a business model. osu!stream != osu! and never will. It is a separate project with a separate aim. In order to get it prepared I have quit my day job, so it could also be considered a possible source of income. It is also part of my endeavour to try and help smaller artist become more known, and provide them a stream of revenue that can help them create more work in the future, and possibly grow larger.
Okay, that makes more sense, I think from the start it has felt too strongly tied to osu! with the almost identical gameplay, the inclusion of the term 'osu!' and so forth. As a separate endeavour this makes perfect sense and I wish you all the luck.
Just cashing in on the fact that you have a free community game called 'osu!' to promote your new 'business' is a liiittle unfair.

peppy wrote:

Even so, I think there is something to be said about offering the application for free, along with four songs and more to come? Nah, nevermind, there's definitely not community spirit there.[/slightsarcasm]
Oh come on, how far would you get if the game was charged, and all maps were charged, this is basically a free trial and done by everyone. Not kindness.

peppy wrote:

Also have to consider the time spend communicating with artists for licencing, packaging, precision timing etc.
Taking osu! stream as a non-community game, this makes more sense, otherwise I'd be arguing the side that people should be spending their own time willingly.

peppy wrote:

Nonetheless, thanks for your one star App Store rating. The feedback is always appreciated :).
Hey, I take back being too harsh, I was simply really shocked after believing this would be a community game. I apologise.
I'll re-review it more constructively next build <:
Guy-kun

peppy wrote:

I think people who question the fact there are paid elements in osu!stream should probably take a step back and understand that not everything in life is/should be free. Music does actually take effort and cost money to compose, produce and obtain rights to. Making games is likewise -- code doesn't write itself. Maybe it's a good chance to realise how privileged we all are here at osu! for how things currently work in the community :D.
I believe its possible to keep a passion up to give for free. Look at many open-source developers, who don't get swayed by the thoughts of cashing in on their efforts.
peppy
I have actually tried to keep it from being tied to osu! at all. I will actually take this moment to remove the only link (the title screen colours) which I placed there just for some fun. Going forward I will be continuing to avoid any linking between the two games that can be avoided from my end, as they cannot possibly co-exist. Of course people who are familiar with osu! will make that unavoidable connection, but we I have to deal with that for not coming up with a more unique name (I did try).

There are quite a few rhythm games on the app store that charge $0.99 and have relatively high sales figures. I believe the model I am using will possibly not work in my favour as many people will be more than content with the freely available content, but I want this to be the case. I want osu! to be played by as many people as possible, and making it free allows this to happen.

Also for those which think the current pricing is too expensive, there will most definitely be sales or cheaper bundles in the future, as I learn how people respond to pricing. My entry level pricing is based on what I believe the songs/levels are to be worth, and what is generally accepted in Japan (as my history of iOS rhythm gaming has been on japanese games). If you consider that it'd be the same as spending a credit playing the song once at an arcade, it no longer seems like a high figure. I won't even get started on how warped people's perception of value is on the portable gaming/app market, but there is definitely a lot to be said.

I hope to start a blog on osu!stream going into these kinds of issues to be as transparent as possible, because I think others can learn from this kind of thing too.

Guy-kun wrote:

I believe its possible to keep a passion up to give for free. Look at many open-source developers, who don't get swayed by the thoughts of cashing in on their efforts.
I have not and will not ever be swayed to cash-in on osu!. I'd sooner take it off the internet than do that :P. I think dedicating most of four years of my life to this game can say something along those lines itself, though. Just sayin'.
Guy-kun
Okay, my only criticism is directed at you for being bad at thinking up new names <:

People obviously have a very distorted view of the value of digital goods, It'd be very hard to charge near-arcade prices I think...
Possibly with a more definite ownership of the songs when you pay for them would correct that (songs being against an osu!stream account, and being available cross-platform when purchased). At the moment, paying money would just seem like throwing away money at something that isn't very retain-able.

But that's my two cents anyway, I know it'd be a nightmare to implement.
peppy
I am already making steps forward towards detaching song ownership from apple's IAP system, because it really sucks. The next update will allow updates to owned songs without any IAP dialogs. Let's see how far I can take it.
Guy-kun
I am already making steps forward towards detaching song ownership from apple's IAP system, because it really sucks. The next update will allow updates to owned songs without any IAP dialogs. Let's see how far I can take it.
I'll look forward to it.

Oh, by the way, my rating was 3 star?
peppy

Guy-kun wrote:

Oh, by the way, my rating was 3 star?
My bad. I got you confused with this guy:


(just kidding)
Guy-kun
I hate it when you do everything right and still lose...
This guy has a point.
pieguyn
awesome~ >w<

Will there be a setting to change the universal offset? I have to hit really early :cry: Because of this, I can hit the beats but I get 100s on everything and can't unlock Expert mode T_T
peppy
Offset setting will be coming, for sure.
roleykatsu
I'm not sure if my review for the game is available since Apple is a secretive ass and/or think my reviews should be redacted from public reading (lol butthurt crapple.), so I'm posting my review here~


My review for osu!stream
Rating given: 5 stars
I was waiting for this app to be available for a while and now that it is, I can tell you that this app is even more fun to play than watching the YouTube demos.

Also the pricing for new songs are quite reasonable and are worth it when considering a bunch of other apps for iOS which has garbage, senseless in-game add-ons that can only be unlocked by paying for them. Songs in iTunes that can be found free elsewhere is about $1.29 apiece, while the optionally downloadable songs in osu!stream are averagely priced as .99c apiece and offer great set of maps per song that you can play repeatedly and never get bored of it. Well I don't, anyway. Plus more songs, both free, on sale, and for purchase will be available soon so it's quite worth it to try.

All in all this is a great game and if people know their way around osu! on PC then osu!stream will be just as simple. And hey this game is free and comes with 4 great songs already so I don't see any reason why you shouldn't get the game.

Sincerely,
Roley
Zhanger_old
sadly, my ipod touch 1g is unable to download it T_T"

oh well.
Azure_Kite
I wonder how popular this is gonna get?

I'm sure it's going to catch like wildfire, and your dreams of taking over the world with beat tapping mayhem will be truly realised.

I have no issues with In-Game Purchases for songs (of course, I now need iTunes credit, but meh), as it supports both pepy and the artists who composed the song.

peppy wrote:

In order to get it prepared I have quit my day job, so it could also be considered a possible source of income. It is also part of my endeavour to try and help smaller artist become more known, and provide them a stream of revenue that can help them create more work in the future, and possibly grow larger.
(...whoa, that's some commitment "^_^ )


Might just leave this here too.
Wishy
I might give this a try on my iPad... though I guess I won't really get into it since this game doesn't look like it's going to be competitive at any rate.
Waryas
I don't own any android or apple product but this looks like something my friends are going to show me soon on their iPhones lol.
Best of luck.
Iaknihs
Well i already commented on this game on rating (which MAY at some point arrive, but who knows what apple does with my rating again ;) ) and on the osu!stream website, but i'll just say it here again
this is the BEST game i could find for iPad so far, and i tried loads of games xD

p.s.: i had to write my apple-rating on the german site because my iPad didn't want to let me use the english site at this point of time oO
Randy96
Reading all of peppy's comments makes me sad that I don't have an iPhone/Pad to support him with
Azure_Kite
Randy96
Thanks to use Azure_Kyte for the headline.
mokona99
I secretly tried it out on my brother's iPad for a few minutes, and I can honestly say that this is one of the best iPod/iPad games I've seen in a while. It's something you'd expect to see from a big name developer. Real high quality stuff. It's a shame that my first generation iPod Touch can't play it, though.
Roga-don
I think you should do a forum for the incoming osu!stream community. You're right when you say that osu! and osu!stream are different.But then why do we post in the osu! forum ? :?
peppy
I will setup a discussion board on the stream site in the near future. Currently backlogged too far with higher priority stuff.
CXu
Is there plans for any difficulty increasing mods such as Hidden, Doubletime or Hardrock? Just wondering
Randy96
CXu
Yay me reading stuff
Bakario
i want the skin 8|
Behon
Bought it, really enjoying it. 2 questions that I can't find answers to, though:

- Are there any plans to add English songs for DLC from smaller/indie bands?
- Are there any plans or even the possibility of enabling custom skins?
mm201
Yup
Nope
artpiggo
It's like an accuracy-based game. :)

Challenge in another way.
Towjow
I don't know why, it might be my ipad, but the reactiontime of this one is kinda different that the official osu iphone version. I often get 100 here on that sunrise song while I get 300's on insane songs on osu iphone.
Roga-don
When I wanna have perfect timing, I gotta delete all background tasks (you know, double click on the main button)
Towjow

Roga-don wrote:

When I wanna have perfect timing, I gotta delete all background tasks (you know, double click on the main button)
I have 3.2.2. Got no multitasking on my ipad for less lags :D
Jinxy
To be entirely honest sometimes I think the mapper forgot not everyone has a playstyle that can reach double notes that are both into the far side of the playing field. My thumb can barely reach the other side of the playing field when double notes like that happen.
peppy
Try placing your device on a flat surface and playing with two fingers, or adjusting your grip so you don't have both hands gripping each side of it. I support with both hands, but don't grip tight, so thumbs movement is quite free.
Behon
Is the store down for anyone else?

Also, could there possibly be a way to set up email notifications when new songs are put out, or should I just check the Twitter feed?
Zekira
Just a question; how many objects can be placed simultaneously at a given time?

*totally hoping its 6 so that he can continue to fantasize about PnM-like notecharts on this lol*

[/obviouslyhaven'twatchedanyvideosyet] [/obviouslydoesn'tknowanything]
OzzyOzrock

Zekira wrote:

Just a question; how many objects can be placed simultaneously at a given time?

*totally hoping its 6 so that he can continue to fantasize about PnM-like notecharts on this lol*

[/obviouslyhaven'twatchedanyvideosyet]
I'm assuming two since the connection bar thing would only attach two.

I can imagine how to make a taiko map on osu!stream lol
Zekira
2 is still workable, yeah... a single hand can use 2 fingers anyway so... 8D
Anzo
Can someone give me the graphic elements so I can make a skin out of it?
(Or maybe someone will just work for the skin..)
Starrodkirby86
As been mentioned here ( viewtopic.php?f=4&t=58973 ), at this point peppy would not like the skin being recreated or redistributed whatsoever. This is due to being sure that osu! and osu!stream are to be labelled as separate games, not to further blur the line as having them the same.

There may be a possibility in the future, but please don't count on it at the moment.
Quaraezha
If someone is ever gonna make an osu!stream skin for osu!, then it would only be logical if the original artists made it.
mm201

Zekira wrote:

Just a question; how many objects can be placed simultaneously at a given time?

*totally hoping its 6 so that he can continue to fantasize about PnM-like notecharts on this lol*

[/obviouslyhaven'twatchedanyvideosyet] [/obviouslydoesn'tknowanything]
As many as the iPhone will allow. I think that's 8 or something?
As a design choice, we are limiting it to two in maps for the time being, until we can get a better sense of what players are going to be capable of.
Given the high amount of movement in this game, it can't really go as high as some other rhythm games without becoming unplayable.
Roga-don
So from now on, you'll only do songs not related from touhou because of Apple rules ? :?
What about vocaloid ? You could do personnal compositions with vocaloids, it's not forbidden !
Well, in any case, It'll make osu!stream even more different than osu!


mm201 wrote:

we are limiting it to two in maps for the time being, until we can get a better sense of what players are going to be capable of.
CAN'T WAAAAIT :cry:
peppy
They are Shanghai Alice rules, not Apple. Vocaloid is a definite possibility we are looking into.
NatsumeRin

peppy wrote:

Vocaloid is a definite possibility we are looking into.
what a good news.
Wishy
Just asking but why absolutely no Touhou related music? Like did they give any reason or he just said no?
peppy
Zun updated his terms earlier this year to specifically state zero distribution of derivative works on any mobile platforms. I was still working with the terms that were released when I began on osu!stream, but have had to restructure after reading the new terms.
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