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Dimrain47 - Forsaken Neon [Osu|CatchTheBeat]

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Tshemmp
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Tshemmp
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Montag, 29. Dezember 2014 at 21:39:37

Artist: Dimrain47
Title: Forsaken Neon
Tags: Techno Trance bomber34 BCI black_cherry_ita phaZ SkyDevil Katty Pie
BPM: 230
Filesize: 2773kb
Play Time: 02:30
Difficulties Available:
  1. BCI's Hard (2,87 stars, 297 notes)
  2. bomber's CtB Overdose (4,2 stars, 698 notes)
  3. Collab (4,44 stars, 530 notes)
  4. Extra (5,81 stars, 672 notes)
  5. Normal (1,96 stars, 200 notes)
  6. phaZ's Easy (1,5 stars, 128 notes)
Download: Dimrain47 - Forsaken Neon
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/32207

Extra by Tshemmp (big parts of the hitsounding done by KattyPie)
bomber's CtB Overdose by bomber34
Collab (=Insane) by SkyDevil and KattyPie <-- also did the SB
BCI's Hard by BCI
Normal by Tshemmp
phaZ's Easy by phaZ

Thank you all! <3
Last edited by Tshemmp , edited 81 times in total.
Mercurial
Mercurial
NEWGROUNDS? Holy poot.

Count with me with a normal GD.
Kokatsu
504 posts
Joined August 2011
Kokatsu
IRC mod from pre-submit~

SPOILER
18:50 <Kokatsu> : also
18:50 <Kokatsu> : ich such eben die zeiten raus
18:51 <Kokatsu> : da du schon hohe bpm, relativ lange streams und hohes spaceing drin hast
18:51 <Kokatsu> : ist das da nicht empfehlenswert, noch so komische spacingjumps zu machen
18:51 <Tshemmp> : hm, okay
18:52 <Kokatsu> : soll ja passbar sein
18:52 <Tshemmp> : auch wahr ;D
18:52 <Kokatsu> : ~ 01:38:501 -
18:52 <Tshemmp> : ja
18:52 <Kokatsu> : das ist ne qual
18:52 <Tshemmp> : okay
18:53 <Kokatsu> : 01:42:255 - das auch ändern
18:53 <Kokatsu> : schlecht zu lesen
18:53 <Kokatsu> : die beiden slidern mit den singlenotes am anfang und ende
18:53 <Kokatsu> : direkt danach die gelbe combo würde ich splitten, damit die übersichtlicher is
18:53 <Tshemmp> : ich hab auch gezögert, das so zu mappen
18:54 <Tshemmp> : okay
18:54 <Kokatsu> : also die bei der hälfte ungefähr splitten, weil da ja auch von 4 zu 5 ein kleiner jump drin is
18:55 <Kokatsu> : 01:45:386 - den snap hoch is ok, aber ich würd drüber nachdenken, weil der stream der kommt, dann extrem hart is
18:55 <Tshemmp> : es sieht auf jeden Fall cool aus :<
18:55 <Tshemmp> : mal schauen
18:55 <Kokatsu> : ja, wie gesagt, kannst du lassen
18:55 <Kokatsu> : is eben nur sauschwer ;D
18:56 <Kokatsu> : die stellen mit den slidern wo die nächste note dann auf dem sliderending is, find ich gut
18:56 <Kokatsu> : passt super
18:56 <Kokatsu> : kannst ja gucken, ob das bei der anderen stelle auch geht, die mit den singles auf start und ende
18:56 <Tshemmp> : okay
18:57 <Tshemmp> : wenn ich die Map dann submitte, kann ich dir einen Kudo geben
18:57 <Kokatsu> : am ende die circlejumps sind auch schwer, kannst du aber auch lassen
18:57 <Kokatsu> : passt schon^^
18:57 <Kokatsu> : kann dir dann auch'n fullmod machen
18:57 <Kokatsu> : das lied is geil
18:57 <Tshemmp> : jaa
18:57 <Tshemmp> : schade, dass es 230 bpm sind, ich schaff meine Map nicht
18:57 <Kokatsu> : :D
18:57 <Kokatsu> : nofail ftw
18:59 <Kokatsu> : od vllt um eins runter
18:59 <Tshemmp> : auf 6?
18:59 <Kokatsu> : kann aber auch so bleiben
18:59 <Kokatsu> : jo
18:59 <Kokatsu> : is angenehmer
18:59 <Tshemmp> : 6 klingt so wenig
18:59 <Kokatsu> : muss aber nicht :D
18:59 <Kokatsu> : ja, 230 klingt viel
18:59 <Kokatsu> : da ist man froh, wenn man nicht alles genau treffen muss
18:59 <Tshemmp> : stimmt auch wieder
19:00 <Kokatsu> : bei 230 werden ja schon viertel anstrengend ;)
19:00 <Tshemmp> : aber bei rog-unlimitation haben sich auch ein paar BATs beschwert, dass die OD nur 7 ist
19:00 <Kokatsu> : hab die jetzt auch teilweise schon 2b gemacht
19:00 <Tshemmp> : bei AR 10
19:00 <Kokatsu> : gute spieler oder randommods?
19:00 <Tshemmp> : BATs
19:00 <Tshemmp> : ztrot zB
19:01 <Kokatsu> : hm
19:01 <Tshemmp> : aber manche fanden das egal
19:01 <Kokatsu> : kannst sie ja so lassen und dann gucken
19:01 <Tshemmp> : jo
19:01 <Kokatsu> : wenn die mods rumheulen, kannst dus ja ändern
19:01 <Kokatsu> : ;)
19:01 <Tshemmp> : danke erstmal für die Tipps
19:01 <Kokatsu> : app nehm ich an?
19:01 <Kokatsu> : kein ding, kein ding :D
19:01 <Tshemmp> : naja, es sind 16mio score
19:01 <Kokatsu> : das isses nicht
19:01 <Tshemmp> : das heißt es kann noch ranked werden
19:01 <Kokatsu> : bis 20m is rankable
19:02 <Kokatsu> : :D
19:02 <Kokatsu> : aber diff is schon schwer
19:02 <Tshemmp> : außerdem hat Jenny vorhin diesen Thread verlinkt
19:02 <Kokatsu> : und 220+ is meistens app
19:02 <Kokatsu> : welchen?
19:02 <Tshemmp> : http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/84012
19:02 <Kokatsu> : mom
19:02 <Tshemmp> : ist zwar noch nicht in Kraft getreten, aber das wird bestimmt bald kommen
19:03 <Tshemmp> : (hoffentlih nicht)
19:03 <Kokatsu> : ja, bis dahin gehts ja
19:04 <Kokatsu> : also bevor du jetzt verzweifelt ne hard und easy/normal mappst um das als ranked durfchgehen zu lassen, hoffe lieber und submitte schnell :D
19:04 <Tshemmp> : ach, ich denke, ich werde rank anstreben
19:04 <Kokatsu> : D:
19:04 <Kokatsu> : okay
19:04 <Tshemmp> : Maps werden so selten approved
19:04 <Tshemmp> : dauert ewig
19:05 <Kokatsu> : ja ok 16m is ja noch im rahmen des möglichen
19:05 <Tshemmp> : siehe Supernova
19:05 <Kokatsu> : jo
19:05 <Kokatsu> : wenn du willst, mach ich dir ne taiko 
19:05 <Tshemmp> : wenn DU willst, klar
19:05 <Tshemmp> : wär nice
19:05 <Kokatsu> : :)
19:06 <Kokatsu> : oni? normal? übertrieben?
19:06 <Tshemmp> : kA
19:06 <Tshemmp> : ich kann sie sowieso nicht gut beurteilen
19:06 <Kokatsu> : achja, ganz vergessen
19:06 <Tshemmp> : ich kann Taiko praktisch nicht
19:06 <Kokatsu> : tu kiai rein
19:06 <Tshemmp> : ich hab keine passende Stelle gefunden
19:06 <Kokatsu> : ich guck mal
19:06 <Tshemmp> : da wo es wirklich "WOHO" wäre
19:08 <Tshemmp> : die Stellen heben sich vom Höhepunkt-Faktor nicht sonderlich voneinander ab
19:08 <Kokatsu> : was du auf jeden fall machen kannst ist, kurze fountains für den boom effekt
19:08 <Tshemmp> : okay
19:08 <Kokatsu> : moment..
19:08 <Tshemmp> : hab ich bis jetzt nur am Ende
19:09 <Kokatsu> : 00:58:429 - 
19:09 <Kokatsu> : da kommt ja immer ca. alle veir takte sone fette base
19:09 <Kokatsu> : da auf jeden fall
19:09 <Tshemmp> : okay
19:13 <Kokatsu> : dann zwei mainfountains, einmal 01:29:734 - 01:46:429 und 00:12:516 - 00:20:864
19:14 <Kokatsu> : guck mal, wie das aussieht
19:14 <Kokatsu> : und noch ne stelle die mir eben aufgefallen ist
19:14 <Kokatsu> : eben finden
19:15 <Kokatsu> : 00:44:864 - 
19:15 <Kokatsu> : die viertel würde ich nicht stacken
19:15 <Kokatsu> : kannst ja wieder circlejumps machen
19:15 <Tshemmp> : ich würde sie stacken :<
19:15 <Tshemmp> : passt perfekt zum SOng
19:16 <Kokatsu> : aber das ist ein takt alles auf einer stelle
19:16 <Tshemmp> : ich weiß D:
19:16 <Tshemmp> : hm, okay
19:16 <Kokatsu> : dann lass es so und flame die mods die da was gegen sagen :D
19:16 <Tshemmp> : ich denk drüber nach
19:16 <Kokatsu> : ;)
19:16 <Tshemmp> : lol
19:16 <Kokatsu> : ok, zur taiko, ich mach einfach ne oni (also in prinzip ne insane) dafür
19:16 <Tshemmp> : okay
19:16 <Kokatsu> : fang direkt an, mal gucken, wie weit ich komme :D
19:17 <Tshemmp> : ich hatte heute irgendwie kein Internet, da dachte ich ich nutze die Zeit und mappe den Song
19:17 <Tshemmp> : bam
19:17 <Kokatsu> : :D
19:17 <Kokatsu> : heute alles gemacht?
19:17 <Tshemmp> : von 11:00 bis 18:00
19:17 <Kokatsu> : wow
19:17 <Tshemmp> : mit Essenspausen
19:17 <Kokatsu> : schnell D:
19:17 <Tshemmp> : naja, ich habe momentan frei
19:18 <Kokatsu> : arbeit oder schule?
19:18 <Tshemmp> : Schule
19:18 <Tshemmp> : grade vorbei
19:18 <Kokatsu> : ich auch ;D
19:18 <Kokatsu> : abi?
19:18 <Tshemmp> : ja
19:18 <Kokatsu> : ich erst nächstes jahr :/
19:18 <Tshemmp> : nur nohc die mündliche irgendwann im Juni
19:19 <Kokatsu> : :o
19:19 <Kokatsu> : achja, gerade noch gesehen
19:19 <Kokatsu> : stack leniency auf 7
19:19 <Tshemmp> : okay
19:27 <Kokatsu> : *afk
19:27 <Tshemmp> : kk
BCI
1,081 posts
Joined May 2011
BCI
sorry for the big delay D: this post is reserved from my hard give a hard via IRC
Kokatsu
504 posts
Joined August 2011
Kokatsu
Finally sat down and worked a bit on Taiko. This will propably be the final version.

http://puu.sh/O30e

<3
Jenny
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Joined November 2010
Jenny
I like these combo colors to compliment the BG:

[Colours]
Combo1 : 41,79,226
Combo2 : 46,196,207
Combo3 : 121,199,236
Combo4 : 71,6,206
Tshemmp
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Topic Starter
Tshemmp
SPOILER

Jenny wrote:

I like these combo colors to compliment the BG:

[Colours]
Combo1 : 41,79,226
Combo2 : 46,196,207
Combo3 : 121,199,236
Combo4 : 71,6,206
Applied, they look nice.
Kokatsu
504 posts
Joined August 2011
Kokatsu
Pending, wohoo /o/
BCI
1,081 posts
Joined May 2011
BCI
hey, you need an easy (less than 3 stars) for rank D:
Tshemmp
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Tshemmp

Black_Cherry_Ita wrote:

hey, you need an easy (less than 3 stars) for rank D:
I know, but yesterday after I finished the Normal I was like "this 3-star-thing is more like a guideline anyway, I have a diff which is fairly easy now, let's do this".
Well, the needed below-3-stars-diff is now added.
Kokatsu
504 posts
Joined August 2011
Kokatsu
The combocolours Jenny suggested are okay, but they are too similar, I can barely see when there is a new combo when only looking at the colours. If you want your colours to synergize with the background, take different colours that are in the background, for example light blue ("cloud" on the right) yellow/orange (sun), red (things around the sun D:) and purple/violet or white.

No KDS
Deif
Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon
3,564 posts
Joined April 2010
Deif
From #modreqs. Fastest map by Dimrain, yay!!

[General]

Diff Spread: You definitely need to add a difficulty between Hard and Insane, as there's a huge difference between them (Insane feels like an Extra with those 230 streams and huge jumps).

[phaZ' Easy]

Hitsounds
00:04:177 (1) - Add a finish on the start.
00:16:699 (1) - Add a finish on the start.
01:10:960 (1) - Add a finish on the start.
01:15:134 (1) - Add a finish on the start.
01:19:308 (1) - Add a finish.
01:33:917 (1) - Add a finish on the start.
01:45:395 (4) - Add a finish on the end.
01:50:612 (1) - Add a finish on the start.
00:28:699 (5,6) - With such a high BPM, it's easier for new players to convert those 2 notes into a 1/1 slider.
00:37:569 (1,2,3,4) - The distance between all these notes is lower, compared to the rest of the map. Keep using the same distance you were using (~1.00x).
00:45:917 (3) - After this note you can add a spinner (until 00:50:090).
01:17:221 (3,4) - The sliderbody of (3) covers completely the slider end of the next slider. Try to avoid this pattern in Easy diffs.
01:21:395 (5,6) - ^
01:31:830 (4,5) - ^
01:29:482 (1) - I'd change that slider for something else, cos it doesn't match in this diff at all. You can put a single note in 01:29:743, for example.
01:30:264 (2) - Its sliderbody is covering the beginning of (4), please try not to overlap them.
01:54:786 (6) - This break is way TOO long. Consider adding some notes (You'll need to Insert Break Time manually):
- 02:03:134 (1)
- 02:07:308 (1) - This one is optional.
02:24:004 (5) - You can make another shape for this slider, as it's the end of the melody and there's a spinner incoming. Try something like THIS.
AIBat help
Move node #2 to {x:304 y:264}, move node #3 to {x:320 y:192}, move node #4 to {x:304 y:120}, move node #5 to {x:216 y:120}.

[Normal]

00:27:395 (1,2) - They feel a bit odd for a Normal. You can try deleting them and adding circles in 00:27:525 and 00:27:917.
00:45:917 (7) - Same as Easy, a spinner would fit here.
01:05:221 - Add a note, that blanket doesn't feel really good.
01:23:482 (4) - This break is too short. A spinner would fit here. If you add it, try to move (1) next to the spinner center to make it easier for new players. For the previous notes, you can try THIS.
02:12:525 (5,6) - I don't really recommend you to use those kind of sliders in this diff, they don't really match there (taking into account you're using long sliders after those ones, in a similar melody rhythm).
02:28:177 (6) - You may have to add a spinner after this note.

[BCI's Hard]

00:33:395 (8) - NC, because of that drum hit. Remove the NC of the next note.
01:16:438 (6) - This note is covered by (4)'s hitburst, and it's hard to sightread for this diff. Consider moving (4) a bit down to avoid this issue.
01:52:699 - Add a note here. It feels a bit empty.
01:53:873 (3) - Add a repetition on that slider to cover that blanket.
01:54:264 (4) - Same as I said in Easy, consider adding that/those notes to avoid a long break time.

[Insane]

00:11:743 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - Kinda hard to read: (2,3,4) are 1/2 stacked notes, and then a 9-note 230 BPM stream (4-1). Move a bit aside (2,3), and add a NC on (4). Maybe that stream is a bit extreme, but let's see what other modders think about it.
00:27:917 (11,12,13,14,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - This is definitely TOO much. Add some 1/4 sliders with repetitions to make players rest of the previous groups of 5-note 1/4 streams.
00:42:004 (2,3) - The transition between these sliders can be hard to sightread, consider changing that pattern (1-4) to something like THIS.
01:00:917 (2,3,4) - Change that pattern into a less confusing one, please.
01:23:482 (5) - You can add a spinner after this circle.
01:26:612 (1,2) - This jump is not really intuitive, and it's unnecessary there imo.
01:46:177 (7,8,9,10,1) - Consider reducing the distance between those notes. That spreaded stream is really painful at that BPM.
02:11:090 (4,5,6) - The spacing is way too high between those notes...
02:16:699 (1) - Make a slight curve in this slider to convert it in a "U" shape. It'll make the next slider more intuitive to read.
02:28:243 (1) - The lenght of this spinner can be increased. Try to make it like in the Hard diff.

[KKTaiko]

00:05:612 (5) - d.
00:14:547 - Add a d to create a "ddd" triplet.
00:25:177 (1,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,1,1,1) - 2 groups of 5 notes don't really fit there. Instead of "dkkkd dkkdk d k", how about a "dkk dkk dkkddkk"?
00:33:069 - Add a d to create a "ddk" triplet.
00:33:395 (3) - K.
00:45:004 - Add a k, it's a bit odd if there's a blanket here.
01:15:134 (1,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1,1) - The music in this part is more intense, so you can create a 1/2 serie of notes, instead of the 1/1 you have atm.
01:30:851 - Add a d, to make a "kdd" here.
01:31:634 - ^
01:35:025 - ^
01:35:417 - ^
01:32:938 - Add a k, to create a "kkd".
01:33:330 - ^
02:04:569 (1,2) - Those 2 notes are a bit alone there. How about adding a d before them to make a 1/2 "dk dk"?
02:08:743 (1,2) - Same here. You can make a "kd dk" to change that pattern a bit.
02:26:090 (1,2,1,2) - This last part needs more intensity. How about a "kkk d d" there?
02:26:612 (1,2,1,2) - ^
02:27:134 (1,2,1,2) - ^
02:27:656 (1,2,1,2,3) - Instead of the current "k k d d D" you can make a final stream. Something like "kdkdkdd D", or any other pattern that fits there.

That second kiai time can be a bit harder, so that's the purpose of adding those triplets.

[bomber's CtB Overdose]

00:05:351 (9,1) - There's no need to introduce a HDash so soon. It's a quite calm part of the song there.
00:12:134 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - I'd put (1) some grids to the left, and create a narrow-to-wide spacing on that stream to make a curvy-stream effect.
00:24:004 (1) - Move it 3 grids to the right to stack it under (3). It looks better that way.
00:27:134 (1,2) - Remove (2) and add a repetition to that slider, same as the next slider (1).
00:37:569 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - I'm pretty sure those notes must be a 1/3 stream, instead of 4 1/4 triplets.
00:44:873 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,1) - Let's rearrange a bit this part. First of all, you need to add a circle in 00:45:004. To make it fit with the "epicness" of that part of the melody, try THIS (9 is under 4). About that 1/8 stream, try a wide-to-narrow spacing this time.
00:49:308 (1) - The spinner is too short. Consider starting it where the 1/8 stream ends.
01:02:482 (3) - Try not to make that curve so sharp, like HERE.
01:06:004 (5,6,7,1) - THIS pattern would fit better here.
01:08:351 (3) - Curve a bit the end of this slider to the left.
01:10:438 (4) - Remove the repetition, and add circles in 01:10:830 (x:.360) and 01:10:960 (x:192).
01:22:699 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Let's try to create a effect according to the music, instead of the same distance between all those notes. Try THIS one.
01:29:351 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1) - A 1/8 stream doesn't fit at all there.
01:40:177 (1,2,3,4,5) - According to the music, there's only a 1/4 triplet there. The rest of the notes must be 1/2, so you may remove (4).
01:41:351 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ^ (4,6).
02:09:656 (1,2,3,4) - A narrow-to-wide jump pattern can fit better. Place (2) under (1) and flip it horizontally. Then, move (3) just 1 to the left, and the whole 1/8 stream 1 to the right, to create a HDash (3,4).
02:17:743 (1,2,3) - Reduce a bit the distance between those sliders. Those kind of streams are painful and hard to hit properly.
02:27:786 (2,3,4,5) - That last pattern must be more epic LOL.


Good luck with this mapset, I love this song ^^ Have some of my stars.
Tshemmp
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Topic Starter
Tshemmp
Kokatsu

Kokatsu wrote:

The combocolours Jenny suggested are okay, but they are too similar, I can barely see when there is a new combo when only looking at the colours. If you want your colours to synergize with the background, take different colours that are in the background, for example light blue ("cloud" on the right) yellow/orange (sun), red (things around the sun D:) and purple/violet or white.

The previous colors were nice, but I like the current ones more, sorry.

No KDS
Deif

Deif wrote:

From #modreqs. Fastest map by Dimrain, yay!!

[General]

Diff Spread: You definitely need to add a difficulty between Hard and Insane, as there's a huge difference between them (Insane feels like an Extra with those 230 streams and huge jumps). meh :( play Hard on DT if Insane is too difficult for you I need to find a mapper...

[Normal]

00:27:395 (1,2) - They feel a bit odd for a Normal. You can try deleting them and adding circles in 00:27:525 and 00:27:917. did something else
00:45:917 (7) - Same as Easy, a spinner would fit here. added
01:05:221 - Add a note, that blanket doesn't feel really good. changed 01:04:699 (1) to a slider, works fine, too
01:23:482 (4) - This break is too short. A spinner would fit here. If you add it, try to move (1) next to the spinner center to make it easier for new players. For the previous notes, you can try THIS. I don't like to add a spinner here, because I can't find a good time to end it. Anyway I removed the break.
02:12:525 (5,6) - I don't really recommend you to use those kind of sliders in this diff, they don't really match there (taking into account you're using long sliders after those ones, in a similar melody rhythm). changed
02:28:177 (6) - You may have to add a spinner after this note. The only point where I can end the spinner is 02:29:221 and then the spinner would be too short for a Normal.

[Insane]

00:11:743 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - Kinda hard to read: (2,3,4) are 1/2 stacked notes, and then a 9-note 230 BPM stream (4-1). Move a bit aside (2,3), and add a NC on (4). Maybe that stream is a bit extreme, but let's see what other modders think about it. This stack fits very nice imo, I really wouldn't like to change it if possible. I would like to here more opnions on this before changing anything.
00:27:917 (11,12,13,14,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - This is definitely TOO much. Add some 1/4 sliders with repetitions to make players rest of the previous groups of 5-note 1/4 streams. it doesn't look so nice anymore now :(
00:42:004 (2,3) - The transition between these sliders can be hard to sightread, consider changing that pattern (1-4) to something like THIS. the pattern you suggested is pretty standard, I wanted to do something inconventional and I think it worked out pretty well (no test player ever mentioned any problems regarding the readability of this)
01:00:917 (2,3,4) - Change that pattern into a less confusing one, please. I don't think this pattern is confusing for anybody who can play 230 bpm. I changed it though but don't really think the new pattern is better.
01:23:482 (5) - You can add a spinner after this circle. It would fit, but please, this is the only break in this map and it is only 2 seconds long, I think players will need some rest
01:26:612 (1,2) - This jump is not really intuitive, and it's unnecessary there imo. the melody goes from a very high tone to a very low tone and the previous melody pattern somewhat starts over again, I think a jump fits here
01:46:177 (7,8,9,10,1) - Consider reducing the distance between those notes. That spreaded stream is really painful at that BPM. You are right that this is hard, but I don't know what to do, everything would just 1. destroy the pattern and 2. destroy the flow, a lower spaced stream takes out the speed, and after it there would be fast slider jumps again. This just doesn't feel good. Believe me, I was considering a change very long but I never was able to bring myself to do it.
02:11:090 (4,5,6) - The spacing is way too high between those notes... This is one thing one can only find out during testplays and no testplayer nor me (although I really suck at jumps) had ever problems doing these jumps, because they are kind of intuitivly placed. I would like to here more opnions on this before changing anything.
02:16:699 (1) - Make a slight curve in this slider to convert it in a "U" shape. It'll make the next slider more intuitive to read. meh, this "u-slider" is used too often, this t-pattern 02:16:699 (1,2) looks way more interesting (and this kind of stuff isnt so hard to read because the head of the slider could be nowhere else)
02:28:243 (1) - The lenght of this spinner can be increased. Try to make it like in the Hard diff. 1. I don't like a long ending spinner after such a fast song/map, it just doesn't fit. A short, fast one is much better. 2. I don't like the spinner length in the Hard diff, so please don't use this as an argument.

Good luck with this mapset, I love this song ^^ Have some of my stars.
Edit: phaZ also changed most of his stuff although he didn't write down his changes.
Thank you for the big mod and those many stars!
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Kokatsu
504 posts
Joined August 2011
Kokatsu

Deif wrote:

[KKTaiko]

00:05:612 (5) - d. The notes all got the same pitch so it's unfitting to add a don here, moreover i like the pure-kat intro, sorry
00:14:547 - Add a d to create a "ddd" triplet. Sounds nice
00:25:177 (1,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,1,1,1) - 2 groups of 5 notes don't really fit there. Instead of "dkkkd dkkdk d k", how about a "dkk dkk dkkddkk"? changed to dkd dkk dkkddkk
00:33:069 - Add a d to create a "ddk" triplet. yes
00:33:395 (3) - K. D here
00:45:004 - Add a k, it's a bit odd if there's a blanket here. I followed the music with the blanket, so no
01:15:134 (1,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1,1) - The music in this part is more intense, so you can create a 1/2 serie of notes, instead of the 1/1 you have atm. Added some 1/2 notes
01:30:851 - Add a d, to make a "kdd" here. yes
01:31:634 - ^ ^
01:35:025 - ^ ^
01:35:417 - ^ ^
01:32:938 - Add a k, to create a "kkd". ^
01:33:330 - ^ ^
02:04:569 (1,2) - Those 2 notes are a bit alone there. How about adding a d before them to make a 1/2 "dk dk"? Yes, i like that
02:08:743 (1,2) - Same here. You can make a "kd dk" to change that pattern a bit. Mhm
02:26:090 (1,2,1,2) - This last part needs more intensity. How about a "kkk d d" there?
02:26:612 (1,2,1,2) - ^
02:27:134 (1,2,1,2) - ^
02:27:656 (1,2,1,2,3) - Instead of the current "k k d d D" you can make a final stream. Something like "kdkdkdd D", or any other pattern that fits there. Changed to kkkdkdk D
Reduced the speedup to make patterns easier readable; Increased OD by 1
That second kiai time can be a bit harder, so that's the purpose of adding those triplets. Yea, I lost my prev-reworked version due to a new computer and missed all the extra triplets I added, so thanks for some good suggestions :3
Thanks for the mod :3

EDIT: Should add the updated version <<

http://puu.sh/UTST
BCI
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BCI
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bomber34
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bomber34

Deif wrote:

From #modreqs. Fastest map by Dimrain, yay!!

[bomber's CtB Overdose]

00:05:351 (9,1) - There's no need to introduce a HDash so soon. It's a quite calm part of the song there. made a stack of them, because the music sounds like it is on hold. guess that's better
00:12:134 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - I'd put (1) some grids to the left, and create a narrow-to-wide spacing on that stream to make a curvy-stream effect. This curvy stream may needs more suggestions, because right now it does not look that good. It plays ok though for me
00:24:004 (1) - Move it 3 grids to the right to stack it under (3). It looks better that way. nice :3
00:27:134 (1,2) - Remove (2) and add a repetition to that slider, same as the next slider (1). okay ... I liked it even though i was unsure. did what you said :3
00:37:569 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - I'm pretty sure those notes must be a 1/3 stream, instead of 4 1/4 triplets. I still don't hear a stream really, 1/3 fit better though. It is more a 4x 1/3 triplets now. May change the Hitsounds....
00:44:873 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,1) - Let's rearrange a bit this part. First of all, you need to add a circle in 00:45:004. To make it fit with the "epicness" of that part of the melody, try THIS (9 is under 4). About that 1/8 stream, try a wide-to-narrow spacing this time. Not sure if this is a HDash storm now (at least it fits with the music). Stream is what you wanted but not perfect ... exacly like the other stream :3
00:49:308 (1) - The spinner is too short. Consider starting it where the 1/8 stream ends. I don't think it is too short but ok I give it a try ... Problem is that there are to many fruits at the end ... let's see what other people say
01:02:482 (3) - Try not to make that curve so sharp, like HERE. nice and smooth
01:06:004 (5,6,7,1) - THIS pattern would fit better here. you are right
01:08:351 (3) - Curve a bit the end of this slider to the left. It does not add that much (at least the way i did it. but at least the burai slider is away now which is not that big of a problem in ctb maps
01:10:438 (4) - Remove the repetition, and add circles in 01:10:830 (x:.360) and 01:10:960 (x:192). x:192 is bad, because DS is 1,80 which is almost impossible to catch when 1,95 is HDash. I call stuff like that pixel jumps even though ... the official definition is different. I reduced it to X: 224 (has a DS of 1,44 now) That should be fine
01:22:699 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Let's try to create a effect according to the music, instead of the same distance between all those notes. Try THIS one. Is nice for me :3
01:29:351 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1) - A 1/8 stream doesn't fit at all there. I let it start at 01:29:482 - now I think it fits there ._. You hear this swoosh at 01:29:482 - 01:29:743 - which let the 1/8 stream work for me ... maybe if more people point that out
01:40:177 (1,2,3,4,5) - According to the music, there's only a 1/4 triplet there. The rest of the notes must be 1/2, so you may remove (4). ??? I listened closly and there is a tone on (4) which means the triplet is from (3)-(5).removed (2)
01:41:351 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ^ (4,6). agree :3
02:09:656 (1,2,3,4) - A narrow-to-wide jump pattern can fit better. Place (2) under (1) and flip it horizontally. Then, move (3) just 1 to the left, and the whole 1/8 stream 1 to the right, to create a HDash (3,4). Plays nice even though The HDash does not reall fit to the music there imo. I keep it though
02:17:743 (1,2,3) - Reduce a bit the distance between those sliders. Those kind of streams are painful and hard to hit properly. reduced to DS 0,85 from 1,2. Should be better now
02:27:786 (2,3,4,5) - That last pattern must be more epic LOL.speechless ...


This means I agree without complaining at all
This means I take it under a compromise or at least I tell my thought about it
This means I deny it, because of something
Poggo
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Poggo
Hi from my mod Q~

Insane

Fine~

Hard

00:14:612 -add note here, will be sounds better
00:16:177(5) - http://puu.sh/XIQ9 more roundish
00:54:264(1,2) - this sliders not beautiful maybe try this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/410215
02:03:134 - add note with finish

Normal

01:03:917 - end slider here, sounds better
01:14:873 - add note

Easy

00:27:656 - add note
01:17:221(3,4) - stack better end sliders
01:21:395(5,6) - ^

Good luck~
Tshemmp
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Joined June 2011
Topic Starter
Tshemmp
SPOILER

Katty Pie wrote:

Hi from my mod Q~

Insane

Fine~

Normal

01:03:917 - end slider here, sounds better doesn't really fit imo and might be confusing
01:14:873 - add note if you wish

Good luck~
Thank you!
Drafura
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Drafura
[bomber's CtB Overdose]
Gameplay & Design :
00:21:395 (2,1,2) - I don't like this kind of stream cause they're easy to random miss. But it's a personnal point of view.
00:23:482 (1,1,2) - ^
00:25:764 (1,2,3,4,1) - The shape is a bit wierd. Not necessary imo, can you make it looking sexier ?
00:27:917 (1,1,1,1,1) - I don't like this kind of stream cause they're easy to random miss. But it's a personnal point of view.
00:45:656 (3,4,5,6,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - Awesome, but the timing is really hard imo can you move the whole stream 1 grid3 left to save some ms ?
02:17:743 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Please make this one easier cause your next pattern needs a very good timing and it's really hard to catch the stream+the next pattern imo.

Timeline :
00:31:438 (2) - Remove circle ?

Hitsounds :
00:12:395 - add TS for : vol 60%
00:20:873 - can't see any changes in this TS, remove ?
00:45:917 - /!\ If this is considered as kiai abuse for the standards diff remove it in this diff too.
00:45:982 - ^
00:46:177 - Remove TS, volume changes have no effects on spinners on ctb mode.
00:49:047 - ^
00:49:308 - ^
00:49:569 - ^
01:23:482 - /!\ If this is considered as kiai abuse for the standards diff remove it in this diff too.
01:23:547 - ^
02:28:177 - ^

Very nice map, srsly i have found nothing really disturbing even if the map is really hard to FC :) Star'd & good luck for ranking.
BCI
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BCI
http://puu.sh/Z3wI
bomber34
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Joined February 2011
bomber34

Drafura wrote:

[bomber's CtB Overdose]
Gameplay & Design :
00:21:395 (2,1,2) - I don't like this kind of stream cause they're easy to random miss. But it's a personnal point of view. I made them closer together now. I would dislike it to give this fullplate walk up.
00:23:482 (1,1,2) - ^ ^
00:25:764 (1,2,3,4,1) - The shape is a bit wierd. Not necessary imo, can you make it looking sexier ? Will try my best
00:27:917 (1,1,1,1,1) - I don't like this kind of stream cause they're easy to random miss. But it's a personnal point of view. see first 2 points
00:45:656 (3,4,5,6,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - Awesome, but the timing is really hard imo can you move the whole stream 1 grid3 left to save some ms ? sure.
02:17:743 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Please make this one easier cause your next pattern needs a very good timing and it's really hard to catch the stream+the next pattern imo. made the Fullplate walk and the stream transition easier

Timeline :
00:31:438 (2) - Remove circle ? yep, sounds better

Hitsounds :
00:12:395 - add TS for : vol 60% Not that noticable but i add it
00:20:873 - can't see any changes in this TS, remove ? ok
00:45:917 - /!\ If this is considered as kiai abuse for the standards diff remove it in this diff too. Ok. Will remove it when it is removed in Standard too
00:45:982 - ^ ^
00:46:177 - Remove TS, volume changes have no effects on spinners on ctb mode. really? ok
00:49:047 - ^
00:49:308 - ^
00:49:569 - ^ ^
01:23:482 - /!\ If this is considered as kiai abuse for the standards diff remove it in this diff too. see 00:46:177
01:23:547 - ^
02:28:177 - ^

Very nice map, srsly i have found nothing really disturbing even if the map is really hard to FC :) Star'd & good luck for ranking.
gotta check that soon :3 Thanks :D

EDIT:
Gotta do the Hitsound part tomorrow.
UPDATE
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Kryptogram
600 posts
Joined December 2010
Kryptogram
Hi Tshemmp

General

  1. Nothing
phaZ' Easy

  1. 00:07:308 (4) - Active distance snap, then press shift and move it up, i think it flows better like that
  2. 00:11:482 (4) - Add whistle, to keep the consistency at hitsounds
  3. 00:37:569 (1) - I think it sounds better a soft-finish there or just aument the volume
  4. 00:44:873 (1) - Please fix space (may affect some new players)
  5. 01:10:960 (1) - Add a normal-finish there like you did on the other drums
  6. 01:15:134 (1) - I think it sounds better a finish at the begin that a whistle
  7. 01:26:612 (x) - Break should start there IMO not here 01:26:090 (x)
  8. 02:07:308 (1) - Add finish, to keep the consistency at hitsounds
  9. 02:26:090 (1) - Add finish, ^
Normal

  1. 00:12:004 (4) - A 1/4 slider in a Normal D: that really should be removed
  2. 00:20:873 (1) - A finish at the begin sounds good to me
  3. 00:21:917 (2) - Add a whistle, to keep the consistency at hitsounds
  4. 00:28:177 (3) - Since its a Normal, and the BMP its 230,00 you should divide that slider in two sliders so players won't get confused
  5. 02:28:177 (6) - Make this note a slider that ends in 02:29:221 (x) for better spread also add NC

    Nice diff, a little bit hard IMO but no big deals.
BCI's Hard

  1. 00:35:873 (2) - Too away from 00:35:482 (1) Hard to play, IMO put 00:35:873 (2) in x:256 y:196 and ctrl + r in 00:36:004 (3)
  2. 02:16:177 (1) - Add clap at the begin, to keep the consistency at hitsounds

    Really, really nice diff, well done
Insane

  • Just, a well done xD
Really good mapset, nothing i can find just suggestions, no have star sorry but when i get more kd i'll shoot one for this map

Good Luck !
Tshemmp
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Topic Starter
Tshemmp
I will be afk for around one week, updating the map as soon as I can go online again. I am just too tired to do it now.

Edit: Here we go.
SPOILER

[Te][Amo] wrote:

Hi Tshemmp

General

  1. Nothing
Normal

  1. 00:12:004 (4) - A 1/4 slider in a Normal D: that really should be removed meh, I would like to hear more opinions on this, I know it may be a bit hard, but it makes it also interesting and it fits really nicely
  2. 00:20:873 (1) - A finish at the begin sounds good to me added
  3. 00:21:917 (2) - Add a whistle, to keep the consistency at hitsounds forgot this one
  4. 00:28:177 (3) - Since its a Normal, and the BMP its 230,00 you should divide that slider in two sliders so players won't get confused done
  5. 02:28:177 (6) - Make this note a slider that ends in 02:29:221 (x) for better spread also add NC No, there isn't really anything in the music which would imply an object except a silent spinner in the map and this one would be too short for a Normal. Also rejected the NC, it looks stupid for me.

    Nice diff, a little bit hard IMO but no big deals.
Insane

  • Just, a well done xD
Really good mapset, nothing i can find just suggestions, no have star sorry but when i get more kd i'll shoot one for this map

Good Luck !
Thank you very much!
By the way, phaZ fixed everything except point one.
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Jenny
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Joined November 2010
Jenny
Overall:

  • - You might need another taiko diff due to the change in rules
    - Use claps please, they could suit the song very well
    - I suggest using custom samples with silenced sliderslide and lower volume sliderticks, since they partly hit very hard on the lower diffs; also, a custom slidertick that gives of a clapsound would suit your hitsounding very nice if you use it properly

Insane:

Wide wide spacing desu~

  • 00:04:438 (2) - move this a little more to the right to catch 1's bowy flow a bit more; right now it's more like a straight line to it, so that could be bettered out
    00:04:699 (3) - well, similar but mirrored~
    00:05:221 (1,2,3,4,5) - I do not enjoy objects that are on exactly the same of one coordinate, makes the map feel so edgy and straight, also, the transition between the bowy and straight sliders feels a bit meeh
    00:06:525 (1,2,3) - i'd put 2-3 a bit higher since the triangle now looks a bit... well, ugly; the angles are not as perfect as they could be and suchs o3o (rotate 1 by 120°, do that again with -120°, then scale the triangle to the size you want an place it so 1 lies on where it currently is)
    00:07:569 (2,3) - there should be more distance between these; I generally dislike when there's slider-circle-slider-circle with just the same spacing, it feels meeh - as you did on00:09:656 (2,3) -
    00:08:612 (1,2,3) - again, triangle could be bettered out, right now it's meeh
    00:13:569 (1,2,3,4,5) - I find this stop-and-go movement very mean to play, consider changing it, feels awkward
    00:15:656 (1,2) - don't really like the angle between these; I'd prefer if the reverse arrows pointed to the next object each
    00:16:438 (3,4,1) - these sound as if they should form a shape, in this case, a triangle for example
    00:19:830 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i find this mean to click but that might be me and my body :v
    [list:8c341]00:20:351 (5,6,7,8) - I suggest CRTL-R-ing 6 and 7 to suit the music better, it feels stronger here and that back-forth fits nice imo
00:20:351 (5) - NC since there is this "strong" impact in the music going along with the jump and leading into a new "pattern"
00:22:438 (3,4) - align these to 2's end so they surround it properly?
00:23:482 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - compared to previous streams, this one is too wiggly, align for a better overall feel
  • 00:27:134 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - I find these streams somewhat meeh because they are neither really flowingly bowed nor straight lines and something in-between looks ugly
00:27:525 (6) - new combo since there is a new soundpattern starting (though it is the same again, it starts there and doesn't continue the old one)
00:27:917 (11) - new combo, same reason
00:29:221 (1,2,3,4) - i don't see what this forms as a shape, make it something that looks more like an idea but just circles at random places? :v
00:31:177 (4) - i find this too close to 2
00:32:351 (1) - add a reverse arrow since there are 3 sounds audible that seem to belong together
00:32:612 (2) - replace with circle, as a consequence of above suggestion
00:32:873 (3) - replacing with circles would feel better since the red tick on where this ends sounds as if it belongs to the following 4-5-1 combo, giving of the feel as if you should click there, while you don't do that since it's a slider right now
00:36:656 (2,3,4) - having that on the same heigth as 1-5 feels not-so-nice; I suggest using 1.7x and moving it more up on the Y-axis (also, straight lines are... not-so-nice)
00:37:047 (6) - I find the whistle on here too harsh but that might be me
00:38:090 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I'd like to see more of a bow in this, especially the first 3 objects should be going a little up and then evenly downwards; hope you get what I mean
00:38:090 (3) - new combo since 1-2 belonged together in the song while the following stream feels more independant
00:38:351 (6) - the stream should end here, 7 and 8 are overdone and could be replaced by a 1/2 slider
00:39:656 (1,2,3,4,1) - this feels so overdone for that "calm" section of the song, please scale that down or smth
00:44:873 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - manually stacking these on 0.1x (grid size 4) to the bottom right feels better to me

there

01:00:525 (1,2,3) - I don't find this very pretty, straight lines and no visible flowy connection :/
01:02:612 (1) - the curve on this could be somewhat strengthened, right now it feels too weak

that'd prolly do it

01:07:047 - this clap in the music is unmapped and people might even jump to 3 because they think this should be clicked
01:07:569 - same
01:13:177 (2,3,4) - these sliders play bad since they are put on red ticks and thus are pain in the arse to click and hold, please change that

01:37:047 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I don't really see what you are trying to form here, please give this combo more of an overall idea
01:43:308 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - well that doesn't really feel too enjoyable... it somewhat feels too clustered and confusing :v
01:44:351 (1) - let this end on where turquoise 1 was
01:45:395 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - holy O: ...well you could better the angles out, 2 seems too far to the left, 3 could be a bit more to the bottom, 4 should be a bit more right, 6 more to the center and suchs
01:47:873 (4) - redtick slider, feels meeh
01:51:656 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - I do totemo not enjoy these overlaps, also, 3-4 are too close to 1-2 in general and their spacing is sooooooo low
02:00:395 (3) - more distance here please, as stated before, slider-circle combos should have a bit more distance between them
02:08:351 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^
02:10:438 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - those jumps feel far too wide for the current phase of the music
02:12:525 - why don't you use claps in addition/instead of your whistles in this part of the song? it suits quite well
02:26:090 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Nogard, is this you?

Hard:

A bit of uneven/inconsistent bows and distances, better that out.
OD +1, Drain +1

  • 00:07:699 (4) - I don't see the reason for this 1/2 in the song, at least since you aren't orientating on the same hitpattern as Insane
    00:09:917 (4) - that one feels as if it should be 1/2 earlier, also 1/2 longer
    00:10:960 (2) - align this more to 1's approach circle
    00:16:177 (5) - ^ (well, to 4's)
    00:16:960 (1) - align more to 2's
    00:20:873 (1) - let this end exactly where previous 5 ended, the current part-overlap looks ugly
    00:26:090 (3,4,5,6,7) - this will break every hard-player's combo; also, the sliders being on the red ticks feels bad
    00:31:569 (5,7) - these bows feel bad

    that feels better since it takes the flow of 3-4 into it(mirror for 7, ofc)

    00:34:177 (4) - the curve is too weak at the beginning and too clunchy at the end, balance it more out
    00:35:482 (1,2,3) - being used to the somewhat little spacing before, players will likely misshit this since 2 is quite widely spaced from 1, considering your low overall spacing
    00:38:873 (6) - that curve feels better with the sliderpoints lying on X268|Y296 and X204|Y276
    00:39:917 (3) - align that more to 4's start
    00:40:699 (4) - let the bow have an equal distance to 3, right now, the start is more distanced than the rest, resulting in an uneven feel

    01:08:612 (4,5,1,2,3,4,1) - that's no problem to alternate but as for a hard diff, people will likely try to singletap it because it's 1/2 and that'll lead to many combobreaks because of the high BPM - consider applying a change here?
    01:10:438 (3) - the start of the slider feels very uneven, use 2 or 3 sliderpoints to adjust it better
    01:11:221 (1,2,3,4,5) - this square doesn't seem equal, also, 5 should be placed on top of 1

    01:50:612 (1,2,3) - this will probably be hit too early because of the low spacing

    02:07:830 (3) - better this curve out, please~ (as in, align to 2)
    02:10:960 (4) - move the sliderpoint (the middle one) 3 grids (size 4) up, the curve feels way better then
    02:14:873 (3,4,5,6,7) - you could better the bow in this combo out, please do that


Normal:

OD +1, same drain and OD feels boring and it won't hurt

  • 00:11:482 (3) - turn gridsnap of and adjust it a bit more to 2
    00:12:525 (1,2,3) - I do not like the overlaps here
    00:15:656 (3) - won't hurt to find an alternative that doesn't reach out of the grid
    00:17:743 (2) - let this end on 00:18:134
    00:18:525 - add a circle here
    00:28:177 (3,4) - overlaps

    00:53:221 (3) - I don't enjoy this bow, just use one point

    that'll do

    01:13:047 (1) - add finishes? (lower volume)
    01:34:438 (2) - a bit more distance to 1 won't hurt, it currently feels a bit clunchy
    01:42:264 (1,2,3,4) - overlaps are meeh
    02:19:308 (4,5,1) - move it more to the left and increase the bow

    this seems neat to me

    02:26:612 (2,3) - overlapz
    02:27:656 (4,5,6) - can be bettered out

    here you go


Easy:

Not much to bitch about here~

  • 01:00:525 (3,4) - sliderends feel too close together, ugly hitbursts and such
    01:03:656 (3) - make that symmetric

    02:13:569 (3,4) - I don't see the reason for the red sliderpoints here
Kokatsu
504 posts
Joined August 2011
Kokatsu

Jenny wrote:

Overall:

  • - You might need another taiko diff due to the change in rules This only applies to maps submittet after the change took place.
Jenny
2,200 posts
Joined November 2010
Jenny
That is what the "might" was for - also, it wouldn't hurt to have another one, thought it is not totally a must do, it'd prolly be appreciated by at least some players.
Kokatsu
504 posts
Joined August 2011
Kokatsu

Jenny wrote:

That is what the "might" was for - also, it wouldn't hurt to have another one, thought it is not totally a must do, it'd prolly be appreciated by at least some players.
You are right, but that would mean additional work for me (or any other taikomapper) and the need of more mods because of more difficulties. Just don't say that someone should add another difficultie without a REAL reason. If you want an easier Taikodiff, map one yourself.
those
3,136 posts
Joined November 2010
those

Kokatsu wrote:

but that would mean additional work for me (or any other taikomapper)
You seem so unwilling to do "additional work", but consider this: mapping seems like additional work from doing nothing.
Jenny
2,200 posts
Joined November 2010
Jenny
I was going to offer one in case Tshemmp felt the suggestion appropriate, so let's wait for his opinion since this is his set~
Tshemmp
1,405 posts
Joined June 2011
Topic Starter
Tshemmp
SPOILER

Jenny wrote:

Overall:

  • - You might need another taiko diff due to the change in rules as Kokatsu said the rule doesn't apply here but if you want to do a fitting diff for me, I would appreciate it very much.
    - Use claps please, they could suit the song very well did it in some parts, but meh, I don't think they always fit
    - I suggest using custom samples with silenced sliderslide I already have this O_O and lower volume sliderticks, since they partly hit very hard on the lower diffs imo they are very quiet; also, a custom slidertick that gives of a clapsound would suit your hitsounding very nice if you use it properly did at 2 times in one diff, can't find any more suitable places for it

Insane:

Wide wide spacing desu~

  • 00:04:438 (2) - move this a little more to the right to catch 1's bowy flow a bit more; right now it's more like a straight line to it, so that could be bettered out instaed I moved (1) a bit to the left to keep the spacing difeerences between the 4 sliders low
    00:04:699 (3) - well, similar but mirrored~ same like ^ but with (4) ofc
    00:05:221 (1,2,3,4,5) - I do not enjoy objects that are on exactly the same of one coordinate, makes the map feel so edgy and straight, also, the transition between the bowy and straight sliders feels a bit meeh straight sliders and streams can be very nice as long as a whole circle-slider pattern is not lined up
    00:06:525 (1,2,3) - i'd put 2-3 a bit higher since the triangle now looks a bit... well, ugly; the angles are not as perfect as they could be and suchs o3o (rotate 1 by 120°, do that again with -120°, then scale the triangle to the size you want an place it so 1 lies on where it currently is) this is not supposed to be an equilateral triangle
    00:07:569 (2,3) - there should be more distance between these; I generally dislike when there's slider-circle-slider-circle with just the same spacing, it feels meeh - as you did on00:09:656 (2,3) - Problem is the pattern. 00:09:656 (2,3) was fine like this because I just ctrl+h+j it. Here with this pattern any spacing differences don't work.
    00:08:612 (1,2,3) - again, triangle could be bettered out, right now it's meeh I am somewhat proud on my unquilateral patterns. I just don't want to make "oh, a perfect triangle, now a perfekt square, now a perfect trinagle again".
    00:13:569 (1,2,3,4,5) - I find this stop-and-go movement very mean to play, consider changing it, feels awkward Actually this stop-and-go pattern fits the music quite well but you are right. I changed it to something which doesn't feel as awkward and still is some kind of stop-and-go.
    00:15:656 (1,2) - don't really like the angle between these; I'd prefer if the reverse arrows pointed to the next object each usually they are mapped like you suggest it and I do it this way myself too sometimes but I wanted to try something different here becasue I got bored of it
    00:16:438 (3,4,1) - these sound as if they should form a shape, in this case, a triangle for example they form an angle :/
    00:19:830 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i find this mean to click but that might be me and my body :v yeah, they are mean but they fit :/
    [list:3a75c]00:20:351 (5,6,7,8) - I suggest CRTL-R-ing 6 and 7 to suit the music better, it feels stronger here and that back-forth fits nice imo nice idea but it makes it harder to read and even harder to play than it already is
00:20:351 (5) - NC since there is this "strong" impact in the music going along with the jump and leading into a new "pattern" don't really agreee to much, but okay
00:22:438 (3,4) - align these to 2's end so they surround it properly? I rotated (3) by -5°, seems fine for me now
00:23:482 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - compared to previous streams, this one is too wiggly, align for a better overall feel the stream alone might look a bit strange but if you look at it together with the previous and following objects...
  • 00:27:134 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - I find these streams somewhat meeh because they are neither really flowingly bowed nor straight lines and something in-between looks ugly rotated the first stream a bit but didn't really changed something
00:27:525 (6) - new combo since there is a new soundpattern starting (though it is the same again, it starts there and doesn't continue the old one) I feel all these streams belong together thus should have the same color
00:27:917 (11) - new combo, same reason ^
00:29:221 (1,2,3,4) - i don't see what this forms as a shape, make it something that looks more like an idea but just circles at random places? :v (2) is (1) ctrl+h+j, (3) is the same distance from (2) as between (1) and (2), I put it there because a jump in this direction felt the best, (4) is (3) ctrl+h+j
00:31:177 (4) - i find this too close to 2 true, changed
00:32:351 (1) - add a reverse arrow since there are 3 sounds audible that seem to belong together they indeed are
00:32:612 (2) - replace with circle, as a consequence of above suggestion yeah, I changed the whole pattern a bit to make it feel good again
00:32:873 (3) - replacing with circles would feel better since the red tick on where this ends sounds as if it belongs to the following 4-5-1 combo, giving of the feel as if you should click there, while you don't do that since it's a slider right now Err...nope. The sound on the red tick definitely doesn't sound as if it would belong to (4,5,1).
00:36:656 (2,3,4) - having that on the same heigth as 1-5 feels not-so-nice; I suggest using 1.7x and moving it more up on the Y-axis (also, straight lines are... not-so-nice) I moved it a bit down on the y-axis
00:37:047 (6) - I find the whistle on here too harsh but that might be me that is definitely you O_O
00:38:090 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I'd like to see more of a bow in this, especially the first 3 objects should be going a little up and then evenly downwards; hope you get what I mean I get what you mean, but there is not enough space on the left side left to mke this happen. This is why it immediatly goes down. Also I don't get why it should go up in the first place.
00:38:090 (3) - new combo since 1-2 belonged together in the song while the following stream feels more independant Nope, the triplets in the music are excatly the same, the only difference it, that I mapped it differently. Before you are asking why I mapped it differently: 4 times the same slider especially in this way becomes boring really fast. And I didn't want to start with the stream earlier since I felt an introduction to the triplets was needed. (mit triplets meine ich Triolen, lol)
00:38:351 (6) - the stream should end here, 7 and 8 are overdone and could be replaced by a 1/2 slider ? The stream in the music still goes on, so I continued the stream in the map as well. ?
00:39:656 (1,2,3,4,1) - this feels so overdone for that "calm" section of the song, please scale that down or smth true, changed
00:44:873 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - manually stacking these on 0.1x (grid size 4) to the bottom right feels better to me I heavily dislike manual stacking :/

there

01:00:525 (1,2,3) - I don't find this very pretty, straight lines and no visible flowy connection :/ I said it several times already (including your mod on The Island) but straight lines can be pretty nice as long as they are not overused. I am not overusing them, am I? O_O
01:02:612 (1) - the curve on this could be somewhat strengthened, right now it feels too weak I can't really tell the difference between your picture and my current slider (apart from the number of nodes).

that'd prolly do it

01:07:047 - this clap in the music is unmapped and people might even jump to 3 because they think this should be clicked changed, I never liked this part but finally I found a good solution for it
01:07:569 - same changed
01:13:177 (2,3,4) - these sliders play bad since they are put on red ticks and thus are pain in the arse to click and hold, please change that true, changed

01:37:047 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I don't really see what you are trying to form here, please give this combo more of an overall idea Well, it's basically the same as at 00:19:830. Here I modified the pattern a little bit.
01:43:308 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - well that doesn't really feel too enjoyable... it somewhat feels too clustered and confusing :v Well, I didn't want to make a circle out of these circles because I already planned using one at 01:45:395. This was the best pattern I could think of. To keep the confusion low I used some NCs here (better readability). I know it is not very good, but...
01:44:351 (1) - let this end on where turquoise 1 was I don't agree...
01:45:395 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - holy O: ...well you could better the angles out, 2 seems too far to the left, 3 could be a bit more to the bottom, 4 should be a bit more right, 6 more to the center and suchs changed it to a perfect circle now
01:47:873 (4) - redtick slider, feels meeh changed
01:51:656 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - I do totemo not enjoy these overlaps, also, 3-4 are too close to 1-2 in general and their spacing is sooooooo low I like it. I also had this "touching problem" in The Island where I really liked how 2 long sliders where touching unconventionally. I changed them though and still regret it, so I want to keep it here.
02:00:395 (3) - more distance here please, as stated before, slider-circle combos should have a bit more distance between them but a spacing change would destroy the pattern u.u
02:08:351 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^ I increased the spacing by a minimal amount (the pattern allowes it here), you probably won't be satisfied
02:10:438 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - those jumps feel far too wide for the current phase of the music hm, I still need more opinions on this, it feels really great when playing and is a nice sequence end, but you are right, too
02:12:525 - why don't you use claps in addition/instead of your whistles in this part of the song? it suits quite well I have already thought of this many times but could never bring myself to do it
02:26:090 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Nogard, is this you? D: I am to uncreative to think of something different u.u

Also I renamed this to Extra.

Normal:

OD +1, same drain and OD feels boring and it won't hurt okay

  • 00:11:482 (3) - turn gridsnap of and adjust it a bit more to 2 this looks already good to go for me
    00:12:525 (1,2,3) - I do not like the overlaps here changed
    00:15:656 (3) - won't hurt to find an alternative that doesn't reach out of the grid I had to change it a little bit anyway due to ^. It still is partly out of the grid though.
    00:17:743 (2) - let this end on 00:18:134 done
    00:18:525 - add a circle here done
    00:28:177 (3,4) - overlaps changed

    00:53:221 (3) - I don't enjoy this bow, just use one point okay

    that'll do

    01:13:047 (1) - add finishes? (lower volume) did it with whistles
    01:34:438 (2) - a bit more distance to 1 won't hurt, it currently feels a bit clunchy okay
    01:42:264 (1,2,3,4) - overlaps are meeh changed
    02:19:308 (4,5,1) - move it more to the left and increase the bow No idea if it is really better now. "Edit:" oh, I just checked your image, I did it excatly like this.

    this seems neat to me

    02:26:612 (2,3) - overlapz changed
    02:27:656 (4,5,6) - can be bettered out had to change this anyway since ^

    here you go
Thank you!

I gave kudos to the wrong post -_-
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Kokatsu
504 posts
Joined August 2011
Kokatsu

those wrote:

Kokatsu wrote:

but that would mean additional work for me (or any other taikomapper)
You seem so unwilling to do "additional work", but consider this: mapping seems like additional work from doing nothing.
Yea, I will map a Muzu or Futsuu, depending on my ideas. D:
phaZ
739 posts
Joined October 2011
phaZ
Thanks ... everyone for modding :D
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GamerX4life
589 posts
Joined January 2010
GamerX4life
my mod:

[Extra]
  1. 00:04:960 (4) strg+g ?
  2. 01:14:612 (4,5,6,7) maybe try this pattern: http://puu.sh/1lbr4
    488,188,74612,1,2,0:0:0
    458,279,74743,1,0,0:0:0
    334,367,74873,1,2,0:0:0
    364,276,75004,1,2,0:0:0
  3. 01:18:264 (1) strg+g and 01:18:525 (2) strg+g (?)
  4. great Diff!
[BCI's Hard]
  1. 00:35:482 (1,2,3) maybe use this pattern: http://puu.sh/1lbyE
  2. 00:41:743 (1,2) I would rotate them like (3), so all have the same angle
  3. 00:54:264 (1,2) this two sliders don't fit to the music imo try this: http://puu.sh/1lbC5
  4. 01:35:351 i would use a slider from 01:35:351 to 01:35:743 instead of (5)
  5. 01:52:047 same (delete 6 and 7) add slider from 01:52:047 to 01:52:438
[Normal]
  1. 01:01:830 add circle
  2. didin't find anything other
[phaZ' Easy]
  1. perfect
Hope it helps! and Good Luck!
Tshemmp
1,405 posts
Joined June 2011
Topic Starter
Tshemmp
Will answer your mod as soon as I get a free pending slot again (in around 5 days).

Edit: Ok:

SPOILER

GamerX4life wrote:

my mod:

[Extra]
  1. 00:04:960 (4) strg+g ? lol, the last time I checked it was correct, no idea how this happened
  2. 01:14:612 (4,5,6,7) maybe try this pattern: http://puu.sh/1lbr4 accepted but did additionally ctrl+g on (6,7)
    488,188,74612,1,2,0:0:0
    458,279,74743,1,0,0:0:0
    334,367,74873,1,2,0:0:0
    364,276,75004,1,2,0:0:0
  3. 01:18:264 (1) strg+g and 01:18:525 (2) strg+g (?) nice
  4. great Diff! accepted \:D/
[Normal]
  1. 01:01:830 add circle don't see any reason to put one here since it is the same part as 01:00:786 and adding a circle to both parts would be too much. Anyway I did a circle at 01:02:351.
  2. didin't find anything other
Thank you for modding!
Nitojgrem
765 posts
Joined March 2011
Nitojgrem
Heya, CTB-Mod because of request ~
I'll only mod the ctb-diff 'cuz of lack of time, sorry :/ (because of lazyness I'll mod it in German^^)

Extra
  1. Just that there are on 01:45:526 (2) and 01:46:178 (7) unsnapped circles. Pls fix that.

bomber's CtB Rain
  1. 00:12:069 (3,1) - Nenn mich kleinkariert, aber ich mag den Übergang nicht, er ist mir zu abrupt und sieht "eckig" aus. Ja, das hier geht mir rein ums Visuelle und ästethische D: Sag, dass ich bescheuert bin, aber wenn du die (3) einen nach links bewegst, sieht's toll aus o3o
  2. 00:25:959 (4,1,1,2) - Ich persönlich mag den Übergang von (4)->(1)->(1) nicht so sehr. Ich sehe (und höre), warum du das machst mit dem Clap, aber visuell ist der Übergang nicht sonderlich hübsch :/ Die Noten 00:25:764 (1,2,3,4,1) - vllt. so ähnlich anordnen? Du bekommst das sicherlich schöner hin, als ich, aber wenn du erstmal die so ähnlich angeordnet ahst, wie in meinem puush, siehst du vllt, wie ich das meine mti dem Übergang (so wie ich ihn mir vorkomme)^^
  3. 00:45:004 (2,1,1,2,3) - DIESER JUMP...... (am meisten der von (2) zu (3)... T_T). Ich bin mal ehrlich, ich hasse ihn. Egal wie oft, 1/20 Tries IM EDITOR und ich hab das Ding nur gefangen... (und normal bin ich oft genug krepiert). Mach's doch bitte eher in die Richtung, wie ich es (provisorisch) hier gemacht hab ;-; (oder irwie anders, nur nich so... scheiß jump >_>)
  4. 01:08:873 (1,2,3,4) - Du hast hier den Abstand zwischen (1) und (2) groß gemacht und dann von (2)-(4) klein. Ich fände den Effekt ganz cool, wenn du den Abstand zwischen (1) und (2) recht klein hälst, dann ihn mit (2) - (3) vergrößerst und dann mit (3) - (4) "ganz groß" machst... also den Abstand von (2) - (4) vergrößerst (wenn du verstehst, was ich meine q.q) Vergiss den Punkt bitte, ich habe da Mist geschrieben q.q
  5. Ich hatte es dir schon via PM geschrieben, dass ich an ein paar Jumps rummeckern werde. Ich habe in der Box einfach mal ein paar Jumps, die ich als Pixeljumps ansehe, bzw. die nahe darangehen, gepackt. Prüfe bitte selbst, ob du sie ändern willst oder nicht (denn nicht bei allen ist es notwendig^^)
    SPOILER
    1. 01:42:656 (6,7,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - unter Umständen hier ein wenig (aber nicht wirklich so sehr, es geht. Ich führe es dennoch mal auf^^)
    2. 01:45:786 (4,1,2,3) - die 1-3 vor allem :/ (bzw 2-3)
    3. 02:25:569 (5,6) - :|
    Da gibt es eigentlich auch schon nicht mehr weiter viel zu sagen :3 ... Der Diff ist auf jeden Fall besser geworden, seitdem ich ihn das erste Mal gespielt hatte... (abgesehen von den einem Jump) Viel Glück noch damit, ich freu mich auf ne Challenge, wenn's ranked ist ;3
Well, as said, I don't have mucht ime so just a ctb mod... sorry for that Tshemmp, but take my stars for that ;w; (I overlooked all diffs and the mapset looks nice ^-^)
Hf and gl ~
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bomber34
1,529 posts
Joined February 2011
bomber34

Nitojgrem wrote:

Heya, CTB-Mod because of request ~ 3+ months ago
I'll only mod the ctb-diff 'cuz of lack of time, sorry :/ (because of lazyness I'll mod it in German^^) I wonder when you are not lazy

bomber's CtB Rain
  1. 00:12:069 (3,1) - Nenn mich kleinkariert, aber ich mag den Übergang nicht, er ist mir zu abrupt und sieht "eckig" aus. Ja, das hier geht mir rein ums Visuelle und ästethische D: Sag, dass ich bescheuert bin, aber wenn du die (3) einen nach links bewegst, sieht's toll aus o3o uhhh I see absolutly no difference at all xD I take it anyway, won't hurt i guess
  2. 00:25:959 (4,1,1,2) - Ich persönlich mag den Übergang von (4)->(1)->(1) nicht so sehr. Ich sehe (und höre), warum du das machst mit dem Clap, aber visuell ist der Übergang nicht sonderlich hübsch :/ Die Noten 00:25:764 (1,2,3,4,1) - vllt. so ähnlich anordnen? Du bekommst das sicherlich schöner hin, als ich, aber wenn du erstmal die so ähnlich angeordnet ahst, wie in meinem puush, siehst du vllt, wie ich das meine mti dem Übergang (so wie ich ihn mir vorkomme)^^ ka ob es so ist wie du willst, ... musste schauen xD
  3. 00:45:004 (2,1,1,2,3) - DIESER JUMP...... (am meisten der von (2) zu (3)... T_T). Ich bin mal ehrlich, ich hasse ihn. Egal wie oft, 1/20 Tries IM EDITOR und ich hab das Ding nur gefangen... (und normal bin ich oft genug krepiert). Mach's doch bitte eher in die Richtung, wie ich es (provisorisch) hier gemacht hab ;-; (oder irwie anders, nur nich so... scheiß jump >_>) so jetzt auf deutsch xD Du willst eigentlich nur das ich (1,2) tausche... ok obwohl ich denke das es irgendwas nicht stimmt, haben sich schon einige darüber beschwert weils n sofort K.O. ist
  4. 01:08:873 (1,2,3,4) - Du hast hier den Abstand zwischen (1) und (2) groß gemacht und dann von (2)-(4) klein. Ich fände den Effekt ganz cool, wenn du den Abstand zwischen (1) und (2) recht klein hälst, dann ihn mit (2) - (3) vergrößerst und dann mit (3) - (4) "ganz groß" machst... also den Abstand von (2) - (4) vergrößerst (wenn du verstehst, was ich meine q.q) O.o nein ich verstehe kein Wort xD 1-2 ist bereits kleiner abstand ._. usw. hab alles bereits wie du es schreibst
  5. Ich hatte es dir schon via PM geschrieben, dass ich an ein paar Jumps rummeckern werde. Ich habe in der Box einfach mal ein paar Jumps, die ich als Pixeljumps ansehe, bzw. die nahe darangehen, gepackt. Prüfe bitte selbst, ob du sie ändern willst oder nicht (denn nicht bei allen ist es notwendig^^)
    SPOILER
    1. 01:42:656 (6,7,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - unter Umständen hier ein wenig (aber nicht wirklich so sehr, es geht. Ich führe es dennoch mal auf^^) ne habs geändert 1.5 DS ist maximal dashbar denk ich früher war es 1.7 aber öhh ka xD
    2. 01:45:786 (4,1,2,3) - die 1-3 vor allem :/ (bzw 2-3) Horizontaler DS auf 1.5 jetz (statt 1.6)
    3. 02:25:569 (5,6) - :| runter auf 1.5DS statt 2
    Da gibt es eigentlich auch schon nicht mehr weiter viel zu sagen :3 ... Der Diff ist auf jeden Fall besser geworden, seitdem ich ihn das erste Mal gespielt hatte... (abgesehen von den einem Jump) VIel Glück noch damit, ich freu mich auf ne Challenge, wenn's ranked ist ;3 Da braucht Tshemmp erstma ne Insane für xD
http://puu.sh/1rkTV
Drafura
osu! Alumni
2,620 posts
Joined April 2010
Drafura
Little recheck requested by Nitoj :

[bomber's CtB Overdose]
I still don't like this kind of streams 00:27:917 (1,1,1,1,1,2) - Maybe try to don't use them all horizontally to reduce the spacing.
00:46:177 (1) - For this spinner i've modded. I said that volume changes doesn't affect spinners (thinking it affects only the hitsound of the end of spinner). But I was wrong sorry (maybe this has been updated in the client, cause i'm pretty sure i've tested it).
bomber34
1,529 posts
Joined February 2011
bomber34

Drafura wrote:

Little recheck requested by Nitoj :

[bomber's CtB Overdose]
I still don't like this kind of streams 00:27:917 (1,1,1,1,1,2) - Maybe try to don't use them all horizontally to reduce the spacing. To the middle they get more "together" now. So the first and last slider still are the same. The 2nd and 4th are a tiny bit more tighter and the 3rd is almost just a line. It is way easier now to not miss but still challenging. I like Fullplate walks :P I don't want to make it to easy.
00:46:177 (1) - For this spinner i've modded. I said that volume changes doesn't affect spinners (thinking it affects only the hitsound of the end of spinner). But I was wrong sorry (maybe this has been updated in the client, cause i'm pretty sure i've tested it). I think you were right back then lol xD Now i hear that it gets quieter ^^
http://puu.sh/1sOrW
yay did Drafuras Re-check (thank you for that :3 )
Changed some Hitsounds
Changed a few Hyperdashes which leaded to complicated to catch droples. With that i mean i made the sliders you get to through the HDash more vertical than horizontal. i think it was unbelieveable unfair to catch ._. . Still not to easy to get the droplets thoug :3
Deif
Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon
3,564 posts
Joined April 2010
Deif
Nitojgrem ask for a recheck in that CTB diff \o/

[bomber's CtB Overdose]

Hitsounds:

  1. 00:37:569 (1,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1) - These are truly 1/3s, but the way you hitsounded them makes an "effect" of 1/4 notes not perfectly snapped, kinda odd for the gameplay. Try to put a Whistle every 3 notes, starting on 00:37:569 (1) - , and not 2 Whistles each 3 notes.
  2. 00:38:743 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - In this whole part the Finishes are too noisy. Reduce the volume there till ~45-50%.
Gameplay:

  1. 00:27:134 (1,1) - Aren't these sliders a bit close to each other? Is it possible to separate them both, or at least move the 2nd one more to the right?
  2. 01:18:264 (3,4) - This formation breaks completely the flow of previous sliders. I suggest you to move (3) at X:368, as it is now, and (4) to X:144. Maybe it's good to incline a bit the previous slider (2) to increase the distance (2,3).

Nothing more! Patterns of the kind of 00:21:395 (2,1,2) - are a risky bet for a CTB map imo, but I hope players would like them ^^
bomber34
1,529 posts
Joined February 2011
bomber34

Deif wrote:

Nitojgrem ask for a recheck in that CTB diff \o/ Never saw Nito this active xD

[bomber's CtB Overdose]

Hitsounds:

  1. 00:37:569 (1,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1) - These are truly 1/3s, but the way you hitsounded them makes an "effect" of 1/4 notes not perfectly snapped, kinda odd for the gameplay. Try to put a Whistle every 3 notes, starting on 00:37:569 (1) - , and not 2 Whistles each 3 notes. okay :3 you are right
  2. 00:38:743 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - In this whole part the Finishes are too noisy. Reduce the volume there till ~45-50% okay. Sounds way better ^.^.
Gameplay:

  1. 00:27:134 (1,1) - Aren't these sliders a bit close to each other? Is it possible to separate them both, or at least move the 2nd one more to the right? good question. I mean rather have the same HDash between 00:26:873 (3,1,1) - which can be very difficult to catch or a further jump between 00:27:525 (1,1) - . I guess I go with the first one since the 2nd is way more extrem because you are already in the Fullplatewalk. I do this because i agree that they are to close
  2. 01:18:264 (3,4) - This formation breaks completely the flow of previous sliders. I suggest you to move (3) at X:368, as it is now, and (4) to X:144. Maybe it's good to incline a bit the previous slider (2) to increase the distance (2,3). I put (3) almost on same startpoint as 01:19:308 (1) - because flow is better yes but spacing was not good imo. I didn't change (2) and made the spacing from (3) to (4) shorter to almost 1x DS. I inclined following (1) for a better flow. I think it is better now.

Nothing more! Patterns of the kind of 00:21:395 (2,1,2) - are a risky bet for a CTB map imo, but I hope players would like them ^^ Everything is opinion xD I like Fullplatewalks actually xD The most extremes of this pattern are in Shounen Radio - Neu (Ex) ^^ I think they are still fair. I already reduced their spacing several times xD This is a Overdoese though :P
http://puu.sh/1ty2R
SkyDevil
1,771 posts
Joined October 2010
SkyDevil
yaay collab is finished :D ./shoots star
Jenny
2,200 posts
Joined November 2010
Jenny
Why not call the Collab [Evil Pie]?

Collab sounds as if you were involved there (you -> Tshemmp)
Poggo
1,502 posts
Joined January 2012
Poggo

Jenny wrote:

Why not call the Collab [Evil Pie]? <----- Uhahahaahahah }:D= good Idea~ :oops:
Bass
1,846 posts
Joined January 2009
Bass
You told me to focus on Collab, so I will start from it.

Please write what you fixed and what not(explain please)

[General]
ok

[Collab]
  1. 00:15:134 (2,3,4,5,6) - trough playtest, this pattern felt wrong to me, I got totally confused. Due to such high bpm I thought there is constant rhythm with 00:14:612 (1) and (2), (3). Now there 00:15:395 (4,5,6) - that's constant, and spacing practically same like before. This is really hard with such bpm and trough this diff I recall that's the only one tricky pattern which appeared. I would suggest other rhythm and pattern there totally. Which is: Really feels more pleasure to click, now don't forget about changing pattern aswell. Something like that would be nice:
    SPOILER
    Of course that's only suggestion of the pattern, you can form it into something different.
  2. 00:21:134 (1,2,3,4) - take a look at this pattern, and spacing between 1,2 and 3,4. Basically the same, but 1,2 is on 1/2 and 3,4 is 1/4. For me didn't cause much problems but other less skilled players would have problem with judging if it's still 1/2. Just moving (4) closer to (3) will resolve problem.
  3. 00:25:830 (4,1,2) - ahh yeah, this is together 1/4. (1) and (2) are stacked with 1/2. That makes pattern even more harder to read due to sudden rhythm change on that spacing. I think swapping (1) and (2) with slider would be better... now that pattern might cause player will break combo or just get 100/50 points easily.
  4. 00:27:917 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I guess this pattern is fine.. but not a fan of it..
  5. 00:37:569 (1,2,3,4) - these sliders are wrongly snapped, listen to music on 25% speed, it's 1/3. Also:
  6. 00:38:612 (1) - this note is in same rhythm with previous slider, even if you resnap sliders to 1/3(you have to do it) It will be hard to hit notes afterward due to sudden transition between rhythms. Just I suggest replacing 00:38:612 (1,2) - with slider
  7. 00:40:178 (3) - this slider is unsnapped
  8. 00:55:178 (5) - unsnapped hitcircle
  9. 01:27:395 (4,1) - place between these feels really empty, especially when I can hear synth there, how about filling this space?
  10. 01:41:090 (7) - clearly I don't hear 1/4 there, I understand you wanted to make symmetry with 01:40:308 (2) , but there it won't work, sorry
  11. 01:53:482 (7,8) - somehow I find that pattern flow-breaking, my cursor would like rather go up to click (8), not down..try this
    SPOILER
  12. 01:56:873 (x) - add note there, that synth calls for it, without that I find 01:57:134 (1) - weird to click because space before feels empty
  13. 02:04:830 (5) - This slider sounds weird due to it's placed on red tick and it doesn't match with synth well, just add circle on 02:04:830 and move (5) 1/2 later and of course, shorten it by 1/2
Difficulty in general needs more work and polishing. Things I've pointed are major


[Extra]
  1. 00:07:699 (3) - making blanket with (2) will look much nicer
  2. 00:27:134 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - I don't have problem with reading it but it's really crazy with such BPM, hovewer would suggest putting NC on each start of stream
  3. 01:46:177 (7,8,9,10) - discussed that with some MATs, it's fine but it goes offscreen, fix that
  4. 01:53:873 (1,2,3,4) - honestly had no idea if go down or up, it's hard to tell, so put new combo on (4)
  5. 02:16:699 (1,2) - that looks completely ugly and slider head is hidden by previous sliderpath.. so move (2) somewhere else away from (1)
  6. 02:26:090 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - a predict a lot of A ranks because of that

[BCI's Hard]
  1. 01:15:395 (2) - this slider is kinda covered by hitburst of 01:14:612 (7) .. just move slider somewhere away from it
  2. 01:47:743 (4,1) - doesn't look nice, move (1) closer to the end of (4)
  3. 02:10:960 (4,1) - that pattern looks nice but's it's hard to read, slider path of (1) is mainly covered by (1)

[Normal]
ok

[phaZ' Easy]
ok

Just imo Extra and Collab needs more work but it has potential.
That's all I could find. Good luck! Hope it helps.
BCI
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Joined May 2011
BCI
http://puu.sh/1ZKMr all fxd, thanks Bass-nyan \>w</
Bass
1,846 posts
Joined January 2009
Bass
Through today's testplay found yet two things on Extra:
00:21:851 (x) - you should add note there, since I heard still 1/4 in background, and pattern will look better
02:18:786 (1,2,3,4,5) - uh (5) is really hidden by (1)'s hitburts, it made me unable to hit it because I coudn't even predict if I should go back.

no kd
SkyDevil
1,771 posts
Joined October 2010
SkyDevil

Bass wrote:

[Collab]
  1. 00:15:134 (2,3,4,5,6) - trough playtest, this pattern felt wrong to me, I got totally confused. Due to such high bpm I thought there is constant rhythm with 00:14:612 (1) and (2), (3). Now there 00:15:395 (4,5,6) - that's constant, and spacing practically same like before. This is really hard with such bpm and trough this diff I recall that's the only one tricky pattern which appeared. I would suggest other rhythm and pattern there totally. Which is: Really feels more pleasure to click, now don't forget about changing pattern aswell. Something like that would be nice:
    SPOILER
    Of course that's only suggestion of the pattern, you can form it into something different. ~I agree, I have changed it to something more acceptable
  2. 00:21:134 (1,2,3,4) - take a look at this pattern, and spacing between 1,2 and 3,4. Basically the same, but 1,2 is on 1/2 and 3,4 is 1/4. For me didn't cause much problems but other less skilled players would have problem with judging if it's still 1/2. Just moving (4) closer to (3) will resolve problem. ~Okayy I putted them closer
  3. 00:25:830 (4,1,2) - ahh yeah, this is together 1/4. (1) and (2) are stacked with 1/2. That makes pattern even more harder to read due to sudden rhythm change on that spacing. I think swapping (1) and (2) with slider would be better... now that pattern might cause player will break combo or just get 100/50 points easily. ~Ah,,, I see,,, I used a slider to make it obvious what is happening :o
  4. 00:27:917 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I guess this pattern is fine.. but not a fan of it..~Hmm,,, (but i kinda like it ;A;)
  5. 00:55:178 (5) - unsnapped hitcircle ~It is? :O ./fixes
  6. 01:27:395 (4,1) - place between these feels really empty, especially when I can hear synth there, how about filling this space? ~Hm,,, I dont know anything that fits here,,, also, Im following some certain instrument which name I dont know DX
  7. 01:53:482 (7,8) - somehow I find that pattern flow-breaking, my cursor would like rather go up to click (8), not down..try this
    SPOILER
    ~You know, before I looked in the spoilerbox I did exactly the same thing with the circle OAO;; anyways accepted :o
  8. 01:56:873 (x) - add note there, that synth calls for it, without that I find 01:57:134 (1) - weird to click because space before feels empty ~ahaha I forgot sorry xD fixedd :o
  9. 02:04:830 (5) - This slider sounds weird due to it's placed on red tick and it doesn't match with synth well, just add circle on 02:04:830 and move (5) 1/2 later and of course, shorten it by 1/2 ~I just reversed them hehehe~
Very helpful mod :O thankss :3

SPOILER
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Tshemmp
1,405 posts
Joined June 2011
Topic Starter
Tshemmp
Alright, let's do this.
SPOILER

Bass wrote:

You told me to focus on Collab, so I will start from it.

Please write what you fixed and what not(explain please)

[General]
ok

[Extra]
  1. 00:07:699 (3) - making blanket with (2) will look much nicer hm, okay
  2. 00:27:134 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - I don't have problem with reading it but it's really crazy with such BPM, hovewer would suggest putting NC on each start of stream added the NCs
  3. 01:46:177 (7,8,9,10) - discussed that with some MATs, it's fine but it goes offscreen, fix that hu? coordinates are 232:0, this is still in the screen (?). maybe you can explain a bit further? :3
  4. 01:53:873 (1,2,3,4) - honestly had no idea if go down or up, it's hard to tell, so put new combo on (4) alright (although I am not sure, should I remove the previous NC then?)
  5. 02:16:699 (1,2) - that looks completely ugly and slider head is hidden by previous sliderpath.. so move (2) somewhere else away from (1) don't want to sound arrogant but ugliness is subjective, I like this silder arrangement (also because it hasn't been used 987253 times already)
  6. 02:26:090 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - a predict a lot of A ranks because of that yeah, I know this is kinda...lame but it fits really well. Just don't know what to do here, I changed it a little bit now.

[Normal]
ok

Just imo Extra and Collab needs more work but it has potential.
That's all I could find. Good luck! Hope it helps.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Through today's testplay found yet two things on Extra:
00:21:851 (x) - you should add note there, since I heard still 1/4 in background, and pattern will look better added the circle (although I don't think it is looking better now)
02:18:786 (1,2,3,4,5) - uh (5) is really hidden by (1)'s hitburts, it made me unable to hit it because I coudn't even predict if I should go back. uh, need more opinions on that, you might be right but atm I think it is just a (well, not quite) usual stack

no kd
Thank you very much for this really good mod!

Edit: I also accepted all suggestions you gave for Katty's parts in the collab (got her permission).
0gre_old
367 posts
Joined January 2013
0gre_old
[MOD QUEUE REQUEST (Taiko only)]
SIGNs
d = don
k = katsu
D = big done
K = big katsu
add
delete
/ = exchange to

[KKTaiko]
MOD information
[*]00:04:177
No notes? such like k finish ?
[*]00:06:525 ~ 00:08:351
This part is similar to
00:04:438 ~ 00:06:004
I think bit too much differences between
[*]00:08:351
From here bit have more notes compare to just before
may be look at d sound stronger
so may be can conisider something about these points
00:10:177 , 00:10:308 , 00:10:438 , 00:11:351
[*]
  1. 00:29:090 - add any note here?
  2. 00:52:047 (1) - d ?
  3. 00:53:743 (1,1,1,1) - k k d d ?
  4. 00:55:830 (1) - d ?
  5. 01:04:830 (2,3) - d ?
  6. 01:05:221 (1) - then k ~
  7. 01:06:264 (4,5,1,2) - k k k D
[*]01:25:569 ~ 01:29:743
I thought there are too much notes in this part
it is very quiet compare to kiai part
[*]
  1. 01:31:047 (3) - k ?
  2. 01:31:699 (2) - k ?
  3. 01:33:525 (1) - d ?
  4. 01:35:221 (3) - k ?
  5. 01:35:873 (1,1) - k d ?
  6. 01:36:721 - add d ?
  7. 01:43:438 (1,2) - k ?
[*]01:42:264 ~ 01:46:047
You may can arrange here to something else
[*]02:02:221 (1,1,1)
How about deleting these notes?
[*]02:03:917 (1,2,4)
To d ? two same notes but hear clearly
gives a bit different to
02:04:177 (1,3,5)
[*]
  1. 02:13:047 (1) - k ?
  2. 02:13:569 (3) - d ?
  3. 02:15:656 (3) - d ?
[*]02:12:525 ~ 02:13:569
And
02:14:612 ~ 02:15:656
are not different ?
[*]02:19:438 ~ 02:25:960
Give some change here ~
or just have fewer notes all through this part[/list]
I can see how you take the sound from
may be try to get these sounds to follow instead :)
Thanks for seeing!
iMirai_old
56 posts
Joined August 2011
iMirai_old
Normal
00:27:134 (1,2) - They look weird
That's the only thing caught my eyes
quiz-chan_DELETED
quiz-chan_DELETED
Hi~ from my queue

[General]
Everything's fine.

[phaZ' Easy]
Please check AIMod, it says something about unsnapped objects, didn't really check.

00:27:134 (1) - A new combo here would do extremely good. Dunno why, it just would.
01:10:438 (5,1) - hmpf.... this overlap doesn't look too good after all. Maybe you can adjust it a bit?
01:14:612 (5,1) - Same 'bout this guy.
01:38:090 (1) - Hmmm... I dunno about that shape... looks a little random to me.
02:24:004 (5) - I would really recommend setting a new combo here, even if there are no hitobjects (except spinner) following.

Nice diff!

[Normal]
00:05:221 (3) - There is no significant sound in the background or no instrumental that matches the sliderbody whistle, so I don't see why you put it there.
00:07:308 (4) - ^
00:09:395 (3) - ^
00:37:569 (1) - Seriously? This is almost lazy, because this slider is a lot longer than it has to be due to the repeats. One repeat would be sufficient.

[BCI's Hard]
Check AIMod here too, again because of some snapping error thingy.

HPDR +1
OD -1
AR -1
(above are just suggestions)

00:09:786 (4) - You can remake this slider with the circular slider feature to make it an even better blanket.
00:43:308 (5) - This slider looks a bit ugly. Maybe move third (white) node to adjust?
00:50:090 (1,2,3,4,5) - Not too bad but I still recommend remaking this with the polygon circle tool, this time.
01:52:047 (6) - Soft whistle would do good on slider end.
02:14:090 (2) - Please remake blanket. I'm a BLANKET NA-ZEEH~ :P
02:27:656 (4) - Redundant clap hitsound on slider end.

Cool!

[Collab]
HPDR +1
(again, just a suggestion above)

02:28:243 (1) - I would recommend completely silencing the spinner, since all sounds are fading out.

Awzum!~

[Extra]
Superb diff!!

Good luck, y'all!!
Tshemmp
1,405 posts
Joined June 2011
Topic Starter
Tshemmp
SPOILER

Quiz-chan wrote:

[Normal]
00:05:221 (3) - There is no significant sound in the background or no instrumental that matches the sliderbody whistle, so I don't see why you put it there. it's there to create variety D:
00:07:308 (4) - ^ ^
00:09:395 (3) - ^ ^
00:37:569 (1) - Seriously? This is almost lazy, because this slider is a lot longer than it has to be due to the repeats. One repeat would be sufficient. changed a bit so that it fits the music better

[Extra]
Superb diff!!

Good luck, y'all!!
Thanks for modding, you'll get your kudo when the others reply to your post.
phaZ
739 posts
Joined October 2011
phaZ

Quiz-chan wrote:

Hi~ from my queue

[phaZ' Easy]
Please check AIMod, it says something about unsnapped objects, didn't really check. fixed. was really buggy

00:27:134 (1) - A new combo here would do extremely good. Dunno why, it just would. done
01:10:438 (5,1) - hmpf.... this overlap doesn't look too good after all. Maybe you can adjust it a bit? no, sorry
01:14:612 (5,1) - Same 'bout this guy. ^
01:38:090 (1) - Hmmm... I dunno about that shape... looks a little random to me. no it isn't :D. together with (5) it is a 180° bell!
02:24:004 (5) - I would really recommend setting a new combo here, even if there are no hitobjects (except spinner) following. done

Nice diff!
thx!
Last edited by phaZ , edited 1 time in total.
SkyDevil
1,771 posts
Joined October 2010
SkyDevil
Random fix owo ./only my part

SPOILER
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Tshemmp
1,405 posts
Joined June 2011
Topic Starter
Tshemmp
Uh, yeah. Still waiting for BCI's response before uploading everything. She said it will take a while. >//<
BCI
1,081 posts
Joined May 2011
BCI


Quiz-chan wrote:

[BCI's Hard]

HPDR +1
OD -1
AR -1
(above are just suggestions) OD only o3o

00:50:090 (1,2,3,4,5) - Not too bad but I still recommend remaking this with the polygon circle tool, this time. wat why

Cool! thanks >3<
http://puu.sh/2jfTJ
RikiH_
1,149 posts
Joined February 2011
RikiH_
m4m from my queue!

phaZ's Easy

00:16:177 (4,1) - This blanket can be better in my opinion
01:00:525 (3,4) - I don't like this, it's a bit ugly
01:03:656 (3) - You can make this better with the new algorhythm
01:31:830 (4,5) - Stack these perfectly
01:54:786 (6) - Do you need the whistle here?

Normal

00:08:873 (2) - I'd make it a bit curved, like the previous one
00:10:960 (2,3) - You can make this blanket a bit better
00:37:569 (1,2) - Uhm, I'm not sure about this overlap... It's a bit ugly
00:38:612 (1) - You can make this better with the new algorhythm
00:45:134 (4) - I think the spacing is wrong here... Move this note 1 grid right
01:03:395 (2) - This overlap... Can you move this one grid right?
01:42:786 (2) - Ctrl+g?

BCI's Hard

00:13:830 (5) - Move this 2 grid up for the spacing with the previous slider
00:29:743 (2) - Ctrl+g?
00:43:308 (5) - Curve it a little bit better
00:53:482 (6,1) - I'm sure you can make a better blanket here
01:02:482 - Add a note?
01:39:656 (5) - Move the second sliderpoint to 322|214 for making this parallel with the previous slider
01:54:786 (5) - Finish here please, I think you forgot to add it
02:07:699 (2,3) - This blanket can be better
02:10:960 (4) - Can't you copy,paste and flip the previous slider? This is a bit ugly
02:15:917 - Add a note?
02:25:047 (3) - Move this 2 grids down. Anyways I suggest you to remake this and the previous one with the new algorhythm

Collab

01:10:177 (2,4) - Too near to the previous sliders, move both one grid down
01:27:395 (4,1) - I really don't like the gap between these two notes, you should add some notes here...
01:44:351 (1,2,3,4) - The blankets can be just a bit better
02:02:612 (6,7) - This blanket can be better, too
02:27:917 (4) - Instead of that repeat, what about putting a note in the center?

Extra

00:08:351 - A sound is clearly udible on this big, white line, so what about adding a note?
00:11:743 (2,3,4) - This stack can be a bit confusing
00:21:395 (3,7) - Whistles here?
00:23:482 (3) - ^
00:25:569 (3) - ^
00:44:873 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Well, when I play this map I always miss this part, I suggest you to unstack at least the 1/4 stream
01:06:786 (1,2,3,4) - This rhythm is wrong imo, I suggest you to make the same rhythm yo used here! 01:10:960 (1,2,3,4) It sounds much better
01:36:786 (5) - Not symmetric with the center
01:46:177 (7,8,9,10,11) - This is so nazi! It's readable but it's 230 BPM and the spacing is huge...
01:51:134 (3) - Isn't this supposed to be in 96|72?
02:22:047 - Add a note?

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The map is really funny, you just have to fix some ugly things like overlaps, blakets and so on. Take my star and good luck :]
Poggo
1,502 posts
Joined January 2012
Poggo
Thank you for mod, but no changes for my parts ^^'
Tshemmp
1,405 posts
Joined June 2011
Topic Starter
Tshemmp
SPOILER

RikiH_ wrote:

m4m from my queue!
Normal

00:08:873 (2) - I'd make it a bit curved, like the previous one sure, why not
00:10:960 (2,3) - You can make this blanket a bit better don't know if I really suceeded here
00:37:569 (1,2) - Uhm, I'm not sure about this overlap... It's a bit ugly mhh, changed it a bit but not too much
00:38:612 (1) - You can make this better with the new algorhythm haha, right, this was mapped before the new algorythm was introduced^^
00:45:134 (4) - I think the spacing is wrong here... Move this note 1 grid right thanks for pointing this out
01:03:395 (2) - This overlap... Can you move this one grid right? if it really bugs you that much, sure
01:42:786 (2) - Ctrl+g? no, I think due to the repetitive music pattern here something repetitive is needed in the map aswell

Extra

00:08:351 - A sound is clearly udible on this big, white line, so what about adding a note? yeah, true
00:11:743 (2,3,4) - This stack can be a bit confusing Tbh, I like stacks transforming into spaced streams. Furthermore it supports the music quite nicely imo (first some stagnancy and then it becomes fast).
00:21:395 (3,7) - Whistles here? uh, it has been so long since I hitsounded this, I can't really remember the reasons behind my patterns anymore, so I am just applying your suggestions here D:
00:23:482 (3) - ^ sure
00:25:569 (3) - ^ ^
00:44:873 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Well, when I play this map I always miss this part, I suggest you to unstack at least the 1/4 stream ah, I think it fit perfectly but since many people has been complaining about this already I guess I am just unstacking the stream ;_;
01:06:786 (1,2,3,4) - This rhythm is wrong imo, I suggest you to make the same rhythm yo used here! 01:10:960 (1,2,3,4) It sounds much better o.o you are completely right
01:36:786 (5) - Not symmetric with the center adjusted
01:46:177 (7,8,9,10,11) - This is so nazi! It's readable but it's 230 BPM and the spacing is huge... :(((((
01:51:134 (3) - Isn't this supposed to be in 96|72? no, this was intended
02:22:047 - Add a note? hm, not sure where to put it...don't think it is really necessary anyway

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The map is really funny, you just have to fix some ugly things like overlaps, blakets and so on. Take my star and good luck :]
Thank you so much for this really helpful mod and the star! You'll get your kudos once the others reply to your post.
SkyDevil
1,771 posts
Joined October 2010
SkyDevil

RikiH_ wrote:

Collab

01:27:395 (4,1) - I really don't like the gap between these two notes, you should add some notes here... ~well, im strictly following the music here so I dont think theres any problem
02:02:612 (6,7) - This blanket can be better, too ~welll,,, putting the slider closer = looks ugly
changing slider position = doesnt fit with (5) anymore so no ;A;

no changes, but thanks :O
phaZ
739 posts
Joined October 2011
phaZ

RikiH wrote:

phaZ's Easy

00:16:177 (4,1) - This blanket can be better in my opinion is better now (:
01:00:525 (3,4) - I don't like this, it's a bit ugly :O explain closer
01:03:656 (3) - You can make this better with the new algorhythm fixed
01:31:830 (4,5) - Stack these perfectly don
01:54:786 (6) - Do you need the whistle here? why not?
thanks!
http://puu.sh/2sybt (fu :D )
phaZ
739 posts
Joined October 2011
phaZ
[Collab]

00:05:221 (3,4,5) - it ok to play but still a little bit weird, because actually the pronouncing is on 00:05:221 and on 00:05:612. but one time you have it on the head and second (the strange one) is on the tail. it should have the same rythm like 0:07:308 (4,5)
00:08:351 (1) - waaay to loud >.<! I suggest

  • - drum-hitfinish + 30% vol, on:[list:9088c]00:08:351 (1)
    00:09:134 (4)
    00:10:177 (8) - start and end
    00:10:177 (8) - start and end
    00:10:177 (8)
- or from 00:08:417 to 00:11:482 - 30% vol. and on every beat normal-hitnormal (+ drum-hitfinish)
- and then on 00:11:482 50% vol. again, and add normal-hitnormal on every beat. 00:11:873 (3) - also add drum-hitfinish
- use the drum hitsound which is used at 02:11:351- 00:13:960 (2,3) - the rythm is again a bit weird here, because one time you have the pronouncing on head(circle) and on time on tail. you - should switch (3) and (2)
- from 00:12:525 to 00:13:960 (2,3) - i dont like this claps, they have much more weight than they should have. instead of "sampleset: normal" + clap i suggest "additions: normal" + clap. And maybe instead of the "sampleset: normal" (without hitsounds) you can (also) use "additions: drum" + finish
- 00:14:612 (1) - instead of this one i would like to see a cirlce(00:14:612) and a 1/2-slider(00:14:873), it feels better imo
- 00:15:917 (1) - also a bit weird (they are all a bit weird), it is pronounced on 00:16:047 but here isnt even a beat.
- 00:36:525 (6) - actually the slider must be there :S
- 01:16:177 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - nice pattern, but that sliders start on red ticks, which why it is a bit ugly to play. I suggest something similiar to this
- 01:27:917 (1) - the break and the 1/1-slider doesn't fit very well
- 01:48:004 (2) - this slider should be on 140;260
- 01:47:743 (1,2,3) - two pronounces which are similiar. the first slider is pronounced on the tail. what about making this?
- 01:52:960 (4,5) and 01:53:351 (6,7) - why do make such offbeats here? the rhythm is 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2,
not 3/4+3/4 nor 1/4+1/2+1/4+1/2
[]
overall, the diff is nice to play, but some parts are a bit strange.
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SkyDevil
1,771 posts
Joined October 2010
SkyDevil
EDIT: 1300th post :D

phaZ wrote:

[Collab]

00:05:221 (3,4,5) - it ok to play but still a little bit weird, because actually the pronouncing is on 00:05:221 and on 00:05:612. but one time you have it on the head and second (the strange one) is on the tail. it should have the same rythm like 0:07:308 (4,5) ~Ill keep this one, because I dont think this is like weird or something @A@
00:08:351 (1) - waaay to loud >.<! I suggest

  • - drum-hitfinish + 30% vol, on:[list:0938c]00:08:351 (1)
    00:09:134 (4)
    00:10:177 (8) - start and end
    00:10:177 (8) - start and end
    00:10:177 (8)
- or from 00:08:417 to 00:11:482 - 30% vol. and on every beat normal-hitnormal (+ drum-hitfinish)
- and then on 00:11:482 50% vol. again, and add normal-hitnormal on every beat. 00:11:873 (3) - also add drum-hitfinish
- use the drum hitsound which is used at 02:11:351 ~tbh, I dont like the idea of those hitsounding ;w; I just think hitsoundless is the best thing imo, just lowered the hitsound volume a bit~
- 00:13:960 (2,3) - the rythm is again a bit weird here, because one time you have the pronouncing on head(circle) and on time on tail. you - should switch (3) and (2) ~If you mean the hitsounding = pronouncing then you got it wrong, its just a rhythm~ Im following the music here correctly =w=
- from 00:12:525 to 00:13:960 (2,3) - i dont like this claps, they have much more weight than they should have. instead of "sampleset: normal" + clap i suggest "additions: normal" + clap. And maybe instead of the "sampleset: normal" (without hitsounds) you can (also) use "additions: drum" + finish ~sorry ;A; i really want to stay at my way of hitsounding...
- 00:14:612 (1) - instead of this one i would like to see a cirlce(00:14:612) and a 1/2-slider(00:14:873), it feels better imo ~noo too much 1/2 ;A;
- 00:15:917 (1) - also a bit weird (they are all a bit weird), it is pronounced on 00:16:047 but here isnt even a beat. ~idk ;A; the music is kinda difficult to find in here, but I kinda think it sounds well
- 01:16:177 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - nice pattern, but that sliders start on red ticks, which why it is a bit ugly to play. I suggest something similiar to this
- 01:27:917 (1) - the break and the 1/1-slider doesn't fit very well ~I do could find the music in here well, its following it exactly
- 01:48:004 (2) - this slider should be on 140;260 ~fixed
- 01:47:743 (1,2,3) - two pronounces which are similiar. the first slider is pronounced on the tail. what about making this? ~seriously i suck at pronouncing k I dont think anyone like this ;A;
- 01:52:960 (4,5) and 01:53:351 (6,7) - why do make such offbeats here? the rhythm is 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2,
not 3/4+3/4 nor 1/4+1/2+1/4+1/2 ~isnt it currently like that =w=?
[]
overall, the diff is good to play, but some parts are a bit strange.
;A; sorry I barely fixed anything.. I dont like pronounce stuff, since I doubt alot of people will notice them while playing...

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P o M u T a
2,284 posts
Joined December 2010
P o M u T a
little found error.
[General]
Add tag ''black_cherry_ita'' you forget. (Easy,Hard,Collab,CTB)

[Collab]
02:04:961 (6) - Unsnapped slider (start).
[Extra]
02:27:265 (2) - Unsnapped circle.
02:27:526 (4) - Unsnapped circle.
01:47:743 (3) - play mode over screen.
phaZ
739 posts
Joined October 2011
phaZ
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obviously, no kd
Last edited by phaZ , edited 3 times in total.
Tshemmp
1,405 posts
Joined June 2011
Topic Starter
Tshemmp
@ P o M u T a: fixed everything, thanks!

@ phaZ: these underscores are the correct way of putting terms with multiple words in the tags
phaZ
739 posts
Joined October 2011
phaZ
Extra - Hitsounds

Extra

-00:14:612 - finish doesnt fit u.u (but its okay here~)
-00:37:308 - the finish here is so ugly, i could even rage x.x ;w;
-01:06:264 (3,4) - whistles on the tails
-01:07:308 bis 01:15:134 - whistleoveruse. you have here the same amount of whistles like at 01:06:264, although
_ there really should be more. remove every second (only whistles, where claps are in the background).
-01:19:047 (4) - whislte on tail
-01:29:743 bis 01:36:004 - overuse of whistles :c sounds ugly. would let stay whistles only on the "claps"
-01:38:090 (1) - addtion: normal!
-01:40:047 (5) - here is a lonly whistle, wich is propably not supposed to be there, but still sounds nice, make more of them
-01:50:612 (1) - should be addtion: normal on it
-01:52:047 (2) - add on head a whistle, wenn nicht sogar noch aufs ende von (1)
-01:54:395 (3,5) - add on (5) a whistle, maybe even on (3)
-01:54:786 bis 02:11:221 - you have added hitsounds at 01:25:569 bis 01:29:743, but no here~.
_ (i prefer the opposite - no hitsounds at 01:25:569 to 01:29:743 - but well O: ...)
-02:11:221 - section to "S:C1". use instead "additions drum". sounds better
-02:19:830 (1) - like at the other "door_slam-in-background" you should add here a normal finish, too -> means addtion: normal
-02:26:221 - put the previous section to here
-> 02:26:090 - add section, which is 45% lower, sample=N:C1
-> copy for the both other parts
-> do that, so the very last 5 circles (with normal-hitnormal) arent so sudenly/unexpected. also its sounds coool^^. also
_ the transition would sound horrible (first 3 supercute whistles, then brutal normal-hitnormal)
-02:27:656 (1) - if you do ^this^ : whislte, addition=soft
- Overall:
  • - you could increase volume by 5% overall
    - soft-finishes are way louder than the other remaining beats. should ~10% lower (exceptions are parts like 00:14:612)
_ no kd


_ Edit: english now :D
Last edited by phaZ , edited 3 times in total.
Smoothie
569 posts
Joined August 2011
Smoothie
Heya~
From my modding queue

[Collab]
00:08:351 (1) - Is that drum intended?
00:26:743 (3) - I think it sounds nicer without the whistle on the slider start.
00:58:960 ~ 01:06:656 These claps are really loud imo. Please consider reducing the volume to 60-50%. :c
01:16:960 (6) - The clap sould be on the slider start.
01:27:395 (4) - I recommend you to add a slider here instead that ends at 01:27:656. It plays way better.
01:44:351 (1,2) - Blanket them better?
01:44:873 (3,4) - ^
01:55:308 (2) - Add a whistle on the slider end.
01:56:612 (6) - Whistle on the slider start.
01:57:656 (3) - ^
01:58:569 (6) - Whistle on the reverse.
01:59:482 (2) - Whistle on the end.
02:00:786 (5) - A slider instead that ends at 02:01:047 Just as i mentioned above.
02:01:830 (3) - Add a whistle here.
02:02:612 (6) - Whistle on the slider end~
02:03:917 ~ 02:11:090 - Add whistle on the same rhythm as i suggested above~
02:19:569 (4) - Finish on the slider end~

[Extra]
00:34:438 (1) - Whistle on the slider start~
00:34:830 (2) - Whistle on the slider Start and end.
01:31:047 (2) - Can you place them somewhere else? This one kinda kills the flow stacked like that.
01:31:438 (4) - ^
01:35:221 (2) - ^
01:35:612 (4) - ^
01:46:177 (7,8,9,10,1) - That spacing might be a bit too much.
01:55:047 ~ 02:10:960 I recommend you adding the whistle the same way as i mentioned on the Collab diff.
02:22:960 (1,2) - A slider with a reverse instead?
02:23:351 (3,4) - ^

[BCI's Hard]
00:16:177 (5) - Remove the whistle on the slider end. I don't think it fits.
00:27:395 (1) - Finish on the slider end~
00:28:960 (6) - Finish on the slider start.
00:50:090 (1,2,3,4,5) - Why don't you arrange this star pattern to the center?
00:54:264 (1) - Whistle on the slider end~
00:55:308 (2) - ^
00:57:786 (6,7) - Why is the spacing here different to 00:56:351 (1,2,3,4,5)?
02:15:917 - Add a note here?

[Normal]
00:04:177 (1) - Whistle on the slider start?
00:05:221 (3) - Remove the whistle on the slider trail please. It doesn't fit so well.
00:07:308 (4) - ^
00:09:395 (3) - ^
00:27:134 (1) - Whistle on the slider start~
00:27:525 (2) - ^
00:28:177 (3) - ^
01:13:047 (1) - Remove whistle on the slider trail.

[phaZ' Easy]
00:16:699 (1) - Should end at 00:17:482
00:45:395 (2) - Remove the whistle on the slider trail~
01:10:960 (1) - Whistle on the slider end
02:17:743 (2) - Looks a bit crumbled. Also, remove the whistle on the trail.
02:28:177 ~ 02:29:221 - This Kiai Time isn't really necessary.

That's all
Good Luck!
phaZ
739 posts
Joined October 2011
phaZ
Smoothie (Easy)

Smoothie wrote:

[phaZ' Easy]
00:16:699 (1) - Should end at 00:17:482 yeah, dunno why this wasnt it already
00:45:395 (2) - Remove the whistle on the slider trail~nah, its done on pourpose - music volume increases. i remove it eventually if it has some influence on gameplay
01:10:960 (1) - Whistle on the slider end yea
02:17:743 (2) - Looks a bit crumbled \:D/ corrected. Also, remove the whistle on the trail. no, it supports player to differentiate (2) from (3) (hitting in correct time..)
02:28:177 ~ 02:29:221 - This Kiai Time isn't really necessary.[color=#BB0000]its not really necessary but you still see the flash when the spinner ends :D
thank you!
thx...
thanks!
phaZ' Easy is just a "click" away rofl
Tshemmp
_ und bittebittebitttebitte ändere hier die hitsound reihenfolge:
  • variante 1:[list:7b542]02:19:177 (5) - hier finish rein
    02:19:569 (7) - finish raus
variante 2:
  • 02:19:177 (5) - finish rein
    02:19:308 (6) - finish raus
    02:19:569 (7) - (hier nur vielleicht) extra finish auf ende
    02:19:830 (1) - sampleset: Normal
variante 3:
  • 02:19:177 (5) - finish rein
    02:19:308 (6) - finish raus
    02:19:569 (7) - finish am anfang raus, (hier nur vielleicht) extra finish auf ende
    02:19:830 (1) - sampleset: Normal oder Soft (also so lassen)
_ :C
Tshemmp
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SPOILER

Smoothie wrote:

[Extra]
00:34:438 (1) - Whistle on the slider start~ okay
00:34:830 (2) - Whistle on the slider Start and end. okay
01:31:047 (2) - Can you place them somewhere else? This one kinda kills the flow stacked like that. okay
01:31:438 (4) - ^ okay
01:35:221 (2) - ^ okay
01:35:612 (4) - ^ okay
01:46:177 (7,8,9,10,1) - That spacing might be a bit too much. :c I really want to keep this :c
01:55:047 ~ 02:10:960 I recommend you adding the whistle the same way as i mentioned on the Collab diff. I guess that means on every 4th beat in each measure? done
02:22:960 (1,2) - A slider with a reverse instead? okay
02:23:351 (3,4) - ^ okay

[Normal]
00:04:177 (1) - Whistle on the slider start? okay
00:05:221 (3) - Remove the whistle on the slider trail please. It doesn't fit so well. okay
00:07:308 (4) - ^ okay
00:09:395 (3) - ^ okay
00:27:134 (1) - Whistle on the slider start~ okay
00:27:525 (2) - ^ okay
00:28:177 (3) - ^ okay
01:13:047 (1) - Remove whistle on the slider trail. okay
Thank you very much!

@ phaZ: Naaahh, I changed something but not in the way you wanted.
[Luanny]
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[Luanny]
you shouldn't use newgrounds as source o.o it's like using bandcamp or youtube as source.
it's just the site where the song was uploaded.
Tshemmp
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Tshemmp

[Luanny] wrote:

you shouldn't use newgrounds as source o.o it's like using bandcamp or youtube as source.
it's just the site where the song was uploaded.
Ah ok, thanks, I will change it. I was just doing it like in this beatmap here: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/42038.
SkyDevil
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SkyDevil
uh tshemmp did you add whistles to my part (and katty pie's part) in collab? ;w; ( 01:55:047 - to 02:10:177 - )

I actually dislike them ;w; please remove them ;w;

and about smoothie's mod, im currently very confident with the hitsounding, so im not changing anything, sorry ;A; Still thanks for modding though. (I cant say anything about 01:55:047 - and after btw)
Tshemmp
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I am sorry SkyDevil, I haven't really seen you online recently so I applied the changes on my own. I will revert them as soon as possible, sorry again. ;w;
SkyDevil
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huuu? ;w; im still online everyday xD
Tshemmp
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Then I am getting old apperantly...
bomber34
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Und so wurde diese Map 1 Jahr alt und auch wenn sie derbe goil ist, ist sie einem Rank weit entfernt ;w;
p3n
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bomber34 wrote:

Und so wurde diese Map 1 Jahr alt und auch wenn sie derbe goil ist, ist sie einem Rank weit entfernt ;w;
Na dann beleben wir den Laden hier mal wieder ein bisschen ;)




mod requested by bomber :D

[phaZ's Easy]
Rename diff to phaZ's Easy because the posessive s after s/z shouldn't ne left out after names.
01:10:438 (5,1) - avoid stacking and too much overlap in beginners difficulties. Try to spread this out a bit (different directions for both sliders)
01:14:612 (5,1) - ^same

Otherwise very decent Easy-diff. It is a bit on the harder side with the different beat patterns and the rather tight spacings (I would have mapped with slightly higher SV and 1,1x or 1,2x spacing to avoid the partial overlaps for 1/1 notes but it is still ok and I think it is easy enough to read for beginners).



[Normal]
00:12:004 (4,1) - personally, I would avoid a kickslider that follows into the next combo on a 1/2 note in a 230BPM NORMAL map. I'd recommend just using a normal slider or a slider with a "w" shape but keep the 1/2 transition
00:50:090 (1,2) - a better match for the piano would be circle followed by 1/1 slider: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/917754

Nice and clean.



[BCI's Hard]
00:06:264 (4,5,1) - why the odd NC settings? Keeping the NC on the downbeat should work just fine here.
00:14:612 (6,1) - ^same
00:24:525 (4,5,1) - spacing seems a bit off here. I did find very few other 1/2 transition in the first half with higher than ~0,4x spacing. In the 2nd half it seems the higher spacing is the dominant one but it seems too random to be a consistent pattern. I'd prefer to see all the 1/2 spacings consistent throughout this map (compressed like 00:07:569 (3,4,5) - OR spread out like 01:38:090 (1,2,3,4,5) - )
00:26:090 (3,4,5,6,7) - ^same
00:49:047 - drag the breaktime ending to this downbeat. It matches the buildup.
00:52:177 (3,4,5) - again I'd prefer a consistent 1/2 compressed pattern throughout the map to make the whole thing a bit more consistent gameplay wise.
01:02:090 (5,6,1,2,3) - ^same
01:04:699 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - ^same
01:06:395 (6) - I'm not sure how to feel about ending a kickslider like this one on a pronounced downbeat. It should play much better with an actual hit-action on this downbeat (especially if the player doesn't know the song)
01:08:612 (4,5,1,2,3,4) - again the spacing difference compared to the compressed style you use mostly in this map
01:12:525 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^same
01:16:438 (5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) - ♥
01:29:743 (1,2,3,4,5) - spacing difference compared to the compressed 1/2 notes
01:29:743 (1,2) - and 01:31:830 (1,2) - double repeating sliders almost never fit. Especially not when used for straight forward 4/4 beats like this. It is much better to use 2 seperate no-repeat sliders here instead.
01:37:308 (3,4,5) - and 01:38:090 (1,2,3,4,5) - again the spacing difference compared to other 1/2 transitions
01:40:177 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - ^same
02:07:308 (1,2,3) - this is the 3rd different kind of 1/2 note transition in this map. I didn't count 00:09:134 (2,3,4) - because the pattern makes it very hard to use appropriate spacings here. But nonetheless having all those different spacings for one and the same time-distance is nothing you should ever do. It doesn't make your map "harder" or "more interesting" it is just confusing and inconsistent. I don't know how long it took to map this but it seems the different parts were made over a longer time preriod because they are so different from each other. The differently styled parts themselves are not bad but mashing those different styles together without any context just feels "wrong". You should take another look at everything and decide for yourself what style you want to use throughout this map.

To give one last example in the later part of the map: 02:14:873 (3,4) - vs 02:13:047 (4,5,1) - decide what you want to do but avoid doing everything random (because that would be just really bad ;) )

Otherwise most parts of this map have a nice flow and are mostly fitting the music.



[Collab]
It is really weird to see a collab for a map that doesn't include the one who is submitting the mapset. But since I'm not here to bubble this you'll have to argue with someone else later.
00:19:177 (2,3,4,5) - slider starting points on red ticks. Avoid at all costs for 1/2 spamming in simple 4/4 maps without something like the melody specifically working in that way. This will ALWAYS play horrible because the player is forced to tap between the actual beats! If the song doesn't support any interesting beat patterns because it is straight forward 4/4 without much variation in terms of melody then at least keep the 1/2 spam on beat. It can be done when supported by the melody like here 00:35:090 (1,2,3) - (even tho it is NOT recommended and there are much better ways to map this without overusing the off-beats)
00:29:221 (9,1) - this transition between the two parts has to be changed. 1st: NC should be on the downbeat 00:29:221 - 2nd: to make it a bit more consistent you should also START with a slider for this phrase and pattern because that is what it is: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/917927
00:34:699 (5) - try moving this slider on the same position as 00:34:438 (4) - to increase the spacing to the following combo. Right now you have the same distance and even same position for 1/1 spaced sliders (00:34:699 (5,1) - ) and 1/2 spaced sliders (00:35:090 (1,2) - ). This kind of placement should be avoided at all costs.
00:36:656 (1,2,3) - again slider starting points on red ticks without any support. Use the downbeat to start the sliders and go with your 1/2 pattern from there.
00:49:047 - drag the ending of the breaktime to this downbeat to match the song
01:34:960 (1,2) - weird to leave out the dominant melody part on 01:35:351 - . Would be nice if you can somehow re-arrange the pattern to fit it in.
01:41:351 (2,3,4) - again slider starting points on red ticks without change in rhythm pattern. Also try to use a 1/4 repeating slider instead of 01:41:351 (2) - just like you did with 01:40:308 (2) - to match the melody (yes it is ok to start THIS one on the red tick)
01:53:743 (8,1,2,3,4,5) - again ignored downbeat and sliders starting on the red ticks
01:55:699 (3,4,5) - ^same
01:57:656 (3,4,5,6) - ^same

I try to keep this as short and as simple as possible because just listing every small part that should be improved to raise the quality of this map would be a stupid wall of text. Here are the key elements you HAVE to rework:

Sliding over downbeats and starting 1/2 slider chains on red ticks.
Both things are considered bad or even "wrong" mapping style. The downbeats (the long white lines on the timeline) mark the beginning of phrases and therefore are essential for the gameplay of any rhythm game. You should always try to make the player do something on these (starting a slider or setting a circle). Ending spinners on downbeats can be done in some situations. Ending sliders on downbeats should be avoided if possible and is usually only acceptable for beginner's difficulties with really long sliders and consisting mainly of 1/1 notes. This is a general rule of thumb for simple 4/4 beats like the one in this song.

Setting NCs randomly on red/blue ticks directly after downbeats
For simple beats like this your NCs should generally reflect the baseline and/or the chords. If your NCs don't start on a downbeat (long white line in timeline) then it is almost always wrong. Listen to the chords of the song and try to arrange your combo pattern accordingly. If you encounter parts were it is hard to make a distinction based on chords just look for ways to keep the baseline or phrases inside one combo each or pair them. Sometimes it can be good to increase readability of patterns by adding a NC mid-phrase to make jumps or spacing/timing changes more visible.

Spacing consistency
If you ignore spacing in favor of symmetry or good looking patterns, you are doing it wrong. It can be done but it is a thin line. Usually if you ignore spacing and go for symmetry only your map will play bumpy and unintuitive. Keep your spacings consistent and increase/decrease spacings only for parts that match something in the song (using jumps for certain beats - but be sure to use them consistently throughout the map).


Yes this collab still needs a lot of work.



[Extra]
00:26:351 (3,4,5,6) - try stacking (6) on the the ending of (5) just like you did with (3,4) to increase consistency and create an actual pattern for this combo
00:55:308 (1) - remove this NC because the melody keeps going for this part and there is no beat in the background to justify the start of a new combo
00:56:482 (2,3,4) - 1/2 spam sliders starting on red ticks for 4/4 beats....there is no shift in the melody here :cry:
01:46:177 (7) - maybe add NC here to make the change from 1/2 to 1/4 more readable

Otherwise solid map. Some really nice patterns and a slightly bumpy yet consistent flow with consistent "breaking points" (stacks).



[bomber's CtB Overdose]

I guess it is fine? Auto can clear it and I have no experience in CtB whatsoever :oops:






Here Tshemmp, revive this and you'll get another star! Maybe help your collab-mappers a bit. Hope you don't give up on this map because 'Extra', 'Normal' and 'Hard' are really good with minor inconsistencies in 'Hard' that should be easy to fix as long as BCI can finally decide what style to use :P
phaZ
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p3n

p3n wrote:

bomber34 wrote:

Und so wurde diese Map 1 Jahr alt und auch wenn sie derbe goil ist, ist sie einem Rank weit entfernt ;w;
Na dann beleben wir den Laden hier mal wieder ein bisschen ;) yeah


mod requested by bomber :D muss auch noch mal ein paar leute fragen

[phaZ's Easy]
Rename diff to phaZ's Easy because the posessive s after s/z shouldn't ne left out after names.
01:10:438 (5,1) - avoid stacking and too much overlap in beginners difficulties. Try to spread this out a bit (different directions for both sliders)
01:14:612 (5,1) - ^samei will keep this in mind but i have no idea how to replace them EDIT: changed it
@Tshemmp:
00:08:351 (1) - place a circle (NC) at 320;212 and remove NC on circle behind it. here was really missing something and even i had (when being unconcentrated) misshitted the next circle x)
01:02:090 - add greenline=30%, slider end kriegt normal clap


Otherwise very decent Easy-diff. It is a bit on the harder side with the different beat patterns and the rather tight spacings (I would have mapped with slightly higher SV and 1,1x or 1,2x spacing to avoid the partial overlaps for 1/1 notes but it is still ok and I think it is easy enough to read for beginners).
Last edited by phaZ , edited 1 time in total.
Tshemmp
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SPOILER

p3n wrote:

[Normal]
00:12:004 (4,1) - personally, I would avoid a kickslider that follows into the next combo on a 1/2 note in a 230BPM NORMAL map. I'd recommend just using a normal slider or a slider with a "w" shape but keep the 1/2 transition done
00:50:090 (1,2) - a better match for the piano would be circle followed by 1/1 slider: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/917754 while I understand your reasoning I feel the clicking rhythm in your version quite awkward (on 1, 2 and 4; leaving out the 3 while having 2 and 4 feels a bit weird imo), I like mine more (on 1, 3 and 4)

[Extra]
00:26:351 (3,4,5,6) - try stacking (6) on the the ending of (5) just like you did with (3,4) to increase consistency and create an actual pattern for this combo done
00:55:308 (1) - remove this NC because the melody keeps going for this part and there is no beat in the background to justify the start of a new combo I really don't know, I am putting NCs every new measure...
00:56:482 (2,3,4) - 1/2 spam sliders starting on red ticks for 4/4 beats....there is no shift in the melody here :cry: fixed
01:46:177 (7) - maybe add NC here to make the change from 1/2 to 1/4 more readable done

Here Tshemmp, revive this and you'll get another star! Maybe help your collab-mappers a bit. Hope you don't give up on this map because 'Extra', 'Normal' and 'Hard' are really good with minor inconsistencies in 'Hard' that should be easy to fix as long as BCI can finally decide what style to use :P Revived, but I don't know what to do with the Collab. Also, regarding the spacing issues in BCI's Hard, I really think they are fine, it adds some variety without being stupid imo.
Thank you very much p3n for this really helpful mod.

@phaZ: done
TheVileOne
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General

pHaZ's Easy
Although i may want you to implement some of my suggestions, everything I said here is entirely optional.

00:30:264 (2,4) - This combo feels so quiet without any hitsounds applied. Whistles to the ends of these would break up the quiet.
00:37:569 (1,2,3,4) - Beat is too simplified for my taste. I tried to make it more interesting by adding a note in between 1,2, and 3,4 and formed V patterns with them. I rather liked how it played and it would still be simpler than the following pattern. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/921986 It would be nice if you added a whistle after every third note as well.
01:10:960 (1,2,3,4,5) - I'm not sure why you decide to ignore the 2,4 rhythm here. I think it sounds better to have whistles on the second and fourth white ticks. I think it sounds better for 1 and 2 and it could go either way for the end of 3. If you want to be consistent with 01:15:134 (1,2,3) - you would need to add a whistle to the end of 1 and add a whistle to 2.
01:14:612 (5) - End with a whistle to be consistent with 01:10:438 (5) -
02:19:830 (1) - Even with my volume jacked, the volume of this note is negligible. I suggest not having the volume drop this much. I suggest increasing to 25-30% Only need to adjust this volume as its the first sound coming off the previous rhythm.

Normal
Please fix the spacing and consistency issues I have mentioned. I have pointed out valid issues that will make your beatmap better if fixed.

00:10:438 (1,2,3) - Very small issue, but it sort of bothers me that the blankets here are different widths. the first blanket is fairly large compared to the second blanket. You can certainly get the first blanket spaced closer if you turn grid snap off. It's probably alright if the first blanket is a bit wider than the second one, but not as much as it is currently. Here are the coordinates I got 00:10:960 (2) - x 265 y 303 00:11:482 (3) - x 378 y 191
00:19:830 (3,4) - blanket width is too close. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/922061 <Please make it like this.
00:20:873 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - Spacing is shifting from 0.97 to 1.02. The spacing shouldn't be shifting by more than 0.02. Grid snap off and clean up the spacing.
00:36:004 (2,3) - Spacing is too close.
00:37:569 (1) - Should be hitsounded for consistency.
00:37:569 (1,2) - I don't care for blankets that are this close, but you may keep it if you want.
00:46:177 (1) - Quiet down the end tone a tad? It doesn't end on anything significant.
00:50:090 - Very bland without hitsounds. I highly recommend adding a whistle pattern here. Here is my suggestion: Lower this section to 45% and have a whistle here 00:50:612 (2) - and the end of 00:50:873 (3) - , and end of 00:52:177 (1) - . Basically a whistle on every second white tick after a measure start. also at the ends of 00:56:351 (1,2) - even though they skip over the second white tick.
00:58:438 - This section has amazing rhythm!
01:37:047 (3,4,5,6,1) - Is the spacing here supposed to get slowly larger here? It looks like a mistake when playing. If you need to use a spacing that is slightly larger than the standard distance snap and don't feel like adjusting more accurately using alt shift, turn grid snap and distance snap off and adjust manually. You can get all of these notes around 1.02 snap. http://puu.sh/3ZAKe.jpg
02:27:134 (3,4,5,6) - Spacing could be more consistent. I moved 4,5,6 to x 274 y 85 and it looks better.

BCI's Hard
A few issues here and there. Other than the deformed sliders, everything is just suggestions based on my thoughts about this or that part of the map.

00:28:438 (4,5,6) - I'm not sure why you have this curve here. To position the next combo? A straighter transition here would look better or even if just 5,6 were on the same level. What do you think?
00:44:351 (7) - I don't like the shape. it's not symmetrical. Also I feel like this slider should be a part of something. It doesn't contribute to a pattern. http://puu.sh/3ZC0c.jpg I like this better.
00:55:308 (2) - This slider is deformed!
01:03:134 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I'm not entirely sure, but I feel like this would be improved if it had a greater note curve. Try shifting the second triple patterns and combo slightly more to the left and down. i'm not sure it could work though because it throws off the spacing here 01:06:395 (6) -
01:35:351 (5,1) - Increase spacing slightly?
01:54:786 - Finish?
02:15:395 (4) - Make symmetrical?

Collab
This difficulty has it's good and bad parts. I think there was more good than bad. bomber wanted me to focus on this difficulty, but there is only so much I can say when I don't map intensely. My mapping style and habits are too different for this song for me to fully give a critique. I didn't like how some parts in the beginning suddenly changed to a slower beat with little warning. I think it's a probably that needs to be addressed, but I cannot assist you with that.
Edit: i'll try again when I've cleared my mind.

00:08:351 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - Meh not a very interesting pattern. I highly recommend incorporating some sliders in this pattern and adding some whistles to set the tone. The stacks you have only accentuate the most uninteresting rhythm here .
00:15:134 (2,3,4) - I'm not getting any feedback having a double here. I have similar feelings about the other double, but that one is harder to tend to. This could be turned into an opposing slider pattern like you used in other parts of this section. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/922200 I'm not sure though. My opinion is biased. I would prefer all the stacks here be sliders.
00:18:786 (1,2) - Perhaps you should focus on centering this side instead because its more visible than the other side of the pattern.
00:30:264 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - You can tell this pattern's spacing and arc is inconsistent. Please make it better.
00:58:438 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Excellent flow usage here. Good job!
01:16:960 (6,1) - Flows so very badly.And it goes into a slower paced section that I didn't expect. Players are going to expect the level of difficulty to stay constant and think that the spacing is just increasing. If they get mislead by thinking this, they will screw up. I think that you need to ease players into a decreased pace by having a pattern at the previous spacing and then you can lower the spacing.
01:55:047 - I'm not sure if there should be more hitsounds during this part or not. The beat is recognizable without extra hitsounding. also there is a rogue whistle in the middle of the sea of nothingness. Either include more whistles throughout or remove the whistle.

Extra

00:07:308 (1,2,3) - Inconsistent spacing.
00:17:612 (4,1,2,3,4,5) - It might just be me but i find this flows badly.I think it's because the sliders are faster than the spacing. Increasing the spacing seems to be better.
00:26:221 (2,3) - Please 1.1 spacing. The sliders are so bad with this type of gap.
00:32:873 (3) - Requires a small symmetry adjustment IMO.
00:37:830 (2,3) - I don't understand why there is a gap here
00:39:264 (4,5) - Spacing difference here.
01:00:917 (2,3) - Don't you think this flows kind of badly?
01:15:004 (7,1) - OMG this is so awkward. I think the pattern that requires this jump is ugly and not worth making. I think you should have an asymmetry pattern instead. you can use curves like 01:09:917 (1) -. Please lessen the spacing for whatever pattern you decide to use here. This is something I just through together as an example. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/922298
02:05:090 (4,1,2,3) - such bad flow >.< Okay. This song is just getting beyond my skill level. I'm just going to stop my mod.


Good luck with this map.
Tshemmp
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Tshemmp
SPOILER

TheVileOne wrote:

Normal
Please fix the spacing and consistency issues I have mentioned. I have pointed out valid issues that will make your beatmap better if fixed.

00:10:438 (1,2,3) - Very small issue, but it sort of bothers me that the blankets here are different widths. the first blanket is fairly large compared to the second blanket. You can certainly get the first blanket spaced closer if you turn grid snap off. It's probably alright if the first blanket is a bit wider than the second one, but not as much as it is currently. Here are the coordinates I got 00:10:960 (2) - x 265 y 303 00:11:482 (3) - x 378 y 191 done
00:19:830 (3,4) - blanket width is too close. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/922061 <Please make it like this. although I don't agree with it being too close, I don't really care, so, done
00:20:873 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - Spacing is shifting from 0.97 to 1.02. The spacing shouldn't be shifting by more than 0.02. Grid snap off and clean up the spacing. okay
00:36:004 (2,3) - Spacing is too close. fixed
00:37:569 (1) - Should be hitsounded for consistency. hm, this part differs quite enough from the previous one for me to justify a change in the hitsounding pattern
00:37:569 (1,2) - I don't care for blankets that are this close, but you may keep it if you want. small adjustment
00:46:177 (1) - Quiet down the end tone a tad? It doesn't end on anything significant. done
00:50:090 - Very bland without hitsounds. I highly recommend adding a whistle pattern here. Here is my suggestion: Lower this section to 45% and have a whistle here 00:50:612 (2) - and the end of 00:50:873 (3) - , and end of 00:52:177 (1) - . Basically a whistle on every second white tick after a measure start. also at the ends of 00:56:351 (1,2) - even though they skip over the second white tick. okay
00:58:438 - This section has amazing rhythm!
01:37:047 (3,4,5,6,1) - Is the spacing here supposed to get slowly larger here? It looks like a mistake when playing. If you need to use a spacing that is slightly larger than the standard distance snap and don't feel like adjusting more accurately using alt shift, turn grid snap and distance snap off and adjust manually. You can get all of these notes around 1.02 snap. http://puu.sh/3ZAKe.jpg adjusted
02:27:134 (3,4,5,6) - Spacing could be more consistent. I moved 4,5,6 to x 274 y 85 and it looks better. slightly changed

Extra

00:07:308 (1,2,3) - Inconsistent spacing. fixed
00:17:612 (4,1,2,3,4,5) - It might just be me but i find this flows badly.I think it's because the sliders are faster than the spacing. Increasing the spacing seems to be better. small adjustments
00:26:221 (2,3) - Please 1.1 spacing. The sliders are so bad with this type of gap. okay
00:32:873 (3) - Requires a small symmetry adjustment IMO. uhm, fixed?
00:37:830 (2,3) - I don't understand why there is a gap here yeah, me neither
00:39:264 (4,5) - Spacing difference here. fixed
01:00:917 (2,3) - Don't you think this flows kind of badly? I think it flows fantastically
01:15:004 (7,1) - OMG this is so awkward. I think the pattern that requires this jump is ugly and not worth making. I think you should have an asymmetry pattern instead. you can use curves like 01:09:917 (1) -. Please lessen the spacing for whatever pattern you decide to use here. This is something I just through together as an example. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/922298 meh, flow is a bit better now but on the downside it looks a bit uglier now :(
02:05:090 (4,1,2,3) - such bad flow >.< Okay. This song is just getting beyond my skill level. I'm just going to stop my mod.
Thank you very much!
phaZ
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phaZ
TheVileOne

TheVileOne wrote:

m4m

General

phaZ's Easy
Although i may want you to implement some of my suggestions, everything I said here is entirely optional.

00:30:264 (2,4) - This combo feels so quiet without any hitsounds applied. Whistles to the ends of these would break up the quiet. hmmm... i would rather say no. the music doesnt feel like hitsounds are correct here. adding rythmically hitsounds in this pure melody... "it would destroy the melody" :S
00:37:569 (1,2,3,4) - Beat is too simplified for my taste. I tried to make it more interesting by adding a note in between 1,2, and 3,4 and formed V patterns with them. I rather liked how it played and it would still be simpler than the following pattern. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/921986 It would be nice if you added a whistle after every third note as well.well the triols are some kind of "run-out" and then the excitement in the music increases constantly... also 1,2 isnt identical to 3,4 (in the music) and it would be wrong to do the same(and having only a circle in 1,2 would just be confusing because of its inconsistency). however letting both circles awey (between 1,2/3,4) seems to be less wrong to me as it is "simplifiying" the rhythm in the music at all..
i have no idea if you can understand me
01:10:960 (1,2,3,4,5) - I'm not sure why you decide to ignore the 2,4 rhythm here. because it would be boring~ o: I think it sounds better to have whistles on the second and fourth white ticks. I think it sounds better for 1 and 2 and it could go either way for the end of 3 nah not if i keep they rhythm up in the way i have it atm, it wouldnt fit imo. If you want to be consistent with 01:15:134 (1,2,3) - you would need to add a whistle to the end of 1 and add a whistle to 2. oh thanks
01:14:612 (5) - End with a whistle to be consistent with 01:10:438 (5) -oh i had forgot it there :D
02:19:830 (1) - Even with my volume jacked, the volume of this note is negligible. I suggest not having the volume drop this much. I suggest increasing to 25-30% Only need to adjust this volume as its the first sound coming off the previous rhythm.thanks. yeah , it really sounded shitty, iadjusted it to 35%though i didnt have changed that much im really grateful for this mod
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SkyDevil
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SkyDevil
Y u no tell me about mods xD am checking this later (katty pie should check her own parts ._.)

p3n wrote:

[Collab]
It is really weird to see a collab for a map that doesn't include the one who is submitting the mapset. But since I'm not here to bubble this you'll have to argue with someone else later. ~THat pendulum map that got ranked has a collab diff with not the mapper itself
00:19:177 (2,3,4,5) - slider starting points on red ticks. Avoid at all costs for 1/2 spamming in simple 4/4 maps without something like the melody specifically working in that way. This will ALWAYS play horrible because the player is forced to tap between the actual beats! If the song doesn't support any interesting beat patterns because it is straight forward 4/4 without much variation in terms of melody then at least keep the 1/2 spam on beat. It can be done when supported by the melody like here 00:35:090 (1,2,3) - (even tho it is NOT recommended and there are much better ways to map this without overusing the off-beats) ~honestly alot of maps have sliders starting on red ticks, I want to do this because if i made them all sliders it'll become too hard
00:29:221 (9,1) - this transition between the two parts has to be changed. 1st: NC should be on the downbeat 00:29:221 - 2nd: to make it a bit more consistent you should also START with a slider for this phrase and pattern because that is what it is: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/917927 ~seems more like something katty pie should handle...
00:49:047 - drag the ending of the breaktime to this downbeat to match the song
01:53:743 (8,1,2,3,4,5) - again ignored downbeat and sliders starting on the red ticks
01:55:699 (3,4,5) - ^same
01:57:656 (3,4,5,6) - ^same ~meh at all three of them

I try to keep this as short and as simple as possible because just listing every small part that should be improved to raise the quality of this map would be a stupid wall of text. Here are the key elements you HAVE to rework:

Sliding over downbeats and starting 1/2 slider chains on red ticks.
Both things are considered bad or even "wrong" mapping style. The downbeats (the long white lines on the timeline) mark the beginning of phrases and therefore are essential for the gameplay of any rhythm game. You should always try to make the player do something on these (starting a slider or setting a circle). Ending spinners on downbeats can be done in some situations. Ending sliders on downbeats should be avoided if possible and is usually only acceptable for beginner's difficulties with really long sliders and consisting mainly of 1/1 notes. This is a general rule of thumb for simple 4/4 beats like the one in this song.

~This is honestly the first time I ever saw someone complain about it ._. Im not sure how I should react to this :I

Setting NCs randomly on red/blue ticks directly after downbeats
For simple beats like this your NCs should generally reflect the baseline and/or the chords. If your NCs don't start on a downbeat (long white line in timeline) then it is almost always wrong. Listen to the chords of the song and try to arrange your combo pattern accordingly. If you encounter parts were it is hard to make a distinction based on chords just look for ways to keep the baseline or phrases inside one combo each or pair them. Sometimes it can be good to increase readability of patterns by adding a NC mid-phrase to make jumps or spacing/timing changes more visible.

~well uhh okay I guess I can fix that a bit ,,, thought Im not sureabout katty pie's part.. she seems to NC everytime she makes a new pattern..

Spacing consistency
If you ignore spacing in favor of symmetry or good looking patterns, you are doing it wrong. It can be done but it is a thin line. Usually if you ignore spacing and go for symmetry only your map will play bumpy and unintuitive. Keep your spacings consistent and increase/decrease spacings only for parts that match something in the song (using jumps for certain beats - but be sure to use them consistently throughout the map).

~I was a noob mapper back then ; A ; (I didnt know how spacing works and yet I managed to rank 2 guestdiffs and one map lol)

Yes this collab still needs a lot of work. ~meh >w>

TheVileOne wrote:

m4m

Collab
This difficulty has it's good and bad parts. I think there was more good than bad. bomber wanted me to focus on this difficulty, but there is only so much I can say when I don't map intensely. My mapping style and habits are too different for this song for me to fully give a critique. I didn't like how some parts in the beginning suddenly changed to a slower beat with little warning. I think it's a probably that needs to be addressed, but I cannot assist you with that.
Edit: i'll try again when I've cleared my mind. ~thaankss :o

00:08:351 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - Meh not a very interesting pattern. I highly recommend incorporating some sliders in this pattern and adding some whistles to set the tone. The stacks you have only accentuate the most uninteresting rhythm here . ~I tried something o3o
00:15:134 (2,3,4) - I'm not getting any feedback having a double here. I have similar feelings about the other double, but that one is harder to tend to. This could be turned into an opposing slider pattern like you used in other parts of this section. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/922200 I'm not sure though. My opinion is biased. I would prefer all the stacks here be sliders. ~I changed the first slider only
00:18:786 (1,2) - Perhaps you should focus on centering this side instead because its more visible than the other side of the pattern. ~uhh not sure what you mean butI tried something
00:58:438 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Excellent flow usage here. Good job! ~Thanks >w<
01:55:047 - I'm not sure if there should be more hitsounds during this part or not. The beat is recognizable without extra hitsounding. also there is a rogue whistle in the middle of the sea of nothingness. Either include more whistles throughout or remove the whistle. ~yeaah I did that accidently ;w ;
Thanks for mods both o3o

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256,40,121308,5,0,0:0:0:0:
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56,96,123395,5,0,0:0:0:0:
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435,324,124960,2,0,P|372:352|300:324,1,150,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
432,128,125482,5,0,0:0:0:0:
272,192,125743,2,0,P|200:216|144:152,1,150,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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388,236,127308,6,0,P|436:160|384:132,1,150,4|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,56,127830,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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120,88,129917,1,0,0:0:0:0:
180,228,130177,1,0,0:0:0:0:
48,300,130438,6,0,P|56:336|116:352,1,75
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248,268,130960,2,0,P|284:260|300:200,1,75,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
264,168,131221,2,0,P|283:136|252:83,2,75,8|8|4,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
160,60,131743,5,0,0:0:0:0:
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156,272,132264,1,0,0:0:0:0:
264,168,132525,6,0,L|280:60,1,75,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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456,180,133438,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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80,252,134090,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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360,80,134612,6,0,P|368:116|361:153,1,75,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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252,264,135134,2,0,P|244:228|250:190,1,75,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
396,224,135395,2,0,P|360:232|322:225,2,75,4|0|4,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
360,80,135917,5,0,0:0:0:0:
256,188,136177,1,8,0:0:0:0:
152,80,136438,1,0,0:0:0:0:
116,224,136699,5,0,0:0:0:0:
256,348,136960,1,2,0:0:0:0:
256,348,137090,1,0,0:0:0:0:
396,224,137351,1,0,0:0:0:0:
400,148,137482,6,0,B|408:108|408:108|396:64,1,75,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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328,52,138004,2,0,L|256:72,1,75,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
184,52,138264,2,0,L|256:72,1,75,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,148,138525,1,2,0:0:0:0:
256,224,138656,1,0,0:0:0:0:
296,288,138786,6,0,B|324:316|324:316|372:316,1,75,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
216,288,139047,2,0,B|188:316|188:316|140:316,1,75,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
416,264,139308,2,0,B|388:236|388:236|340:236,1,75,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
96,264,139569,2,0,B|124:236|124:236|172:236,2,75,4|0|4,0:0|0:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
60,120,140090,5,0,0:0:0:0:
168,16,140351,1,0,0:0:0:0:
256,136,140612,1,0,0:0:0:0:
344,16,140873,5,0,0:0:0:0:
420,24,141004,1,0,0:0:0:0:
464,84,141134,1,0,0:0:0:0:
468,160,141264,1,0,0:0:0:0:
424,220,141395,1,0,0:0:0:0:
256,304,141656,2,0,L|256:208,2,75,0|0|4,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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332,104,142699,1,0,0:0:0:0:
332,104,142830,1,0,0:0:0:0:
332,104,142960,5,0,0:0:0:0:
256,276,143221,1,0,0:0:0:0:
256,124,143482,1,0,0:0:0:0:
128,44,143743,1,0,0:0:0:0:
56,68,143873,1,0,0:0:0:0:
56,144,144004,5,4,0:0:0:0:
88,292,144264,2,0,L|152:224,1,75,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,276,144525,2,0,L|256:180,1,75
424,292,144786,2,0,L|360:224,1,75,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
320,136,145047,6,0,P|348:116|352:64,1,75
192,136,145308,2,0,P|164:116|160:64,2,75,2|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,276,145830,1,2,0:0:0:0:
256,192,145960,1,0,0:0:0:0:
256,108,146090,6,0,B|248:68|248:68|220:46,1,75,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
172,192,146351,2,0,B|132:200|132:200|110:227,1,75,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,276,146612,2,0,B|264:316|264:316|291:337,1,75,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
340,192,146873,2,0,B|380:184|380:184|401:156,1,75,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
176,108,147134,6,0,P|144:88|108:85,1,75,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
172,272,147395,2,0,P|148:324|156:356,1,75,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
336,276,147656,2,0,P|388:300|420:292,1,75,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
340,112,147917,2,0,P|364:60|356:28,2,75,4|0|4,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,192,148243,12,0,149221,0:0:0:0:
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