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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on November 6, 2017 at 12:17:01 PM

Artist: Lite Show Magic
Title: TRICKL4SH 220
Source: SOUND VOLTEX IV HEAVENLY HAVEN
Tags: tricklash t+pazolite vs C-Show KinomiCandy Midnaait hikikochan TKS MMzz mittenmasterzz SDVX KONAMI BEMANI Don't waste me! E.P. EP M3-36 M3 HARDCORE Happy Hardcore Speedcore Lick Dom Records
BPM: 220
Filesize: 5901kb
Play Time: 01:50
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Ready for BN's. I'm also Elite Mapper taiko btw.

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Last edited by Monstrata on , edited 15 times in total.
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kds for my modding v2 posts?

not gonna nominate this btw because of my involvement with the other set. was just asked for some input and gave some quick suggestions based on playing the diffs through once
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Kinomi's Oni
00:03:457 (26,27,28,29) - These 1/6 aren't really appropriate for an Oni I would swap them out for triplets.
00:21:594 (120,121,122) - Make this ddk instead. Using the k to accent that loud sample is pretty cool and it gives a little structure change to the end of the pattern. d d k instead of the d k d k d structure from before.
00:24:185 (143,144,145,146,147,148,149,150,151,152,153,154) - Change the structure of this around to reflect the samples more. Like you did at 00:19:957 (102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110) -
01:12:185 (219) - Move the green line back a little. The bar line for the speedup isn't matching with the note for some reason.
01:36:935 (112) - This would work better as a d, imo.
01:41:775 (6) - Finisher doesn't feel necessary.


hikiko's Oni
Maybe fill out the opening section a little? For spread reasons it feels little odd to have one of the Oni diffs "under mapped" compared to the others when they are much more dense at the start.

00:21:321 (78,79) - Swap these two colors. Brings out the feeling of the samples a little better, imo.


Muzukashii
00:10:003 (13) - As much as I like sliders these don't feel very intuitive here. Here is my suggestion (first note is where the slider originally started):
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Simple pattern to accent the wubby sounds with an appropriate level density. Personally the 2nd one feels a little better but will alter the structure of your finisher patterns if you are ok with that. (Going from K K D K K to D K D K K.)
00:14:366 (27) - Same applies to this slider. Don't be afraid to copy pasta, or try a variation of your own.
00:20:230 (40) - Move this to 00:20:775 - . d d k k d fits the sample a little better and gives a better feels to the upcoming gap because you finished off the strong of notes with a tougher pattern.
00:21:457 - Could add a don or a kat here. The gap feels a little too long, imo.
00:24:594 (58) - Move this note like the one before.
00:30:321 (83) - Move this note back to the blue tick? Better to have it snapped correctly and be a tad "harder" (and song accurate) than it be unsnapped and "easier". Or possibly find another way to represent the beats correctly if BN have a fit over this.
00:34:821 - Adding a k here wouldn't hurt.
00:49:685 (141) - Move this to the red tick at 00:49:957 - Better feeling build up into the next measure. (also follows the bells sounds)
00:52:821 (157) - You could delete this note. Tones down the density a little.
00:58:003 (178,179,180,181,182) - Same as before with moving the triplet around. But I would adjust your structure to what it is was before. Also changing 00:59:094 (183) - to a D would be preferred with this.
01:01:548 (196) - Can also be deleted like the previous similar note.
01:32:094 (307) - This one is questionable. You could keep it to match the density you provide this time around, or remove it for a break. Up to you.
01:35:366 (323) - This doesn't need to be a finisher. Especially since its followed up with a triplet.
01:37:821 - Could add a d here.
01:39:730 (347) - Same as before.
01:40:821 (355) - If you chose the keep this note structure in the measures before (the 2nd kiai) keep this for consistency. If not remove it.
01:43:821 (365) - Same thing applies from the suggestion I had at the start.
01:48:321 (373,374,375,376,377) - Adjust it here too for the sake of consistency.



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MMzz wrote:

Kinomi's Oni
00:03:457 (26,27,28,29) - These 1/6 aren't really appropriate for an Oni I would swap them out for triplets. fixed
00:21:594 (120,121,122) - Make this ddk instead. Using the k to accent that loud sample is pretty cool and it gives a little structure change to the end of the pattern. d d k instead of the d k d k d structure from before. done
00:24:185 (143,144,145,146,147,148,149,150,151,152,153,154) - Change the structure of this around to reflect the samples more. Like you did at 00:19:957 (102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110) - changed to ddkkdkkkddddk to reflect the samples more
01:12:185 (219) - Move the green line back a little. The bar line for the speedup isn't matching with the note for some reason. whoops forgot to fix this, moved it a bit ahead instead
01:36:935 (112) - This would work better as a d, imo. eh sure
01:41:775 (6) - Finisher doesn't feel necessary. changed

Elite mapper btw

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kds for modding v2 on this please?

MMzz wrote:

hikiko's Oni
Maybe fill out the opening section a little? For spread reasons it feels little odd to have one of the Oni diffs "under mapped" compared to the others when they are much more dense at the start. did some stuff

00:21:321 (78,79) - Swap these two colors. Brings out the feeling of the samples a little better, imo. done

Elite mapper btw i agree


updated diff
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Title:TRICKL4SH 220
TitleUnicode:TRICKL4SH 220
Artist:Lite Show Magic
ArtistUnicode:Lite Show Magic
Creator:Monstrata
Version:hikiko's Oni
Source:SOUND VOLTEX IV HEAVENLY HAVEN
Tags:t+pazolite vs C-Show KinomiCandy Midnaait hikikochan TKS MMzz mittenmasterzz SDVX KONAMI BEMANI Don't waste me! E.P. EP M3-36 M3 LSM C.H.S CHS Comiket 85 C85 CHSEP-0003 HARDCORE TANO*C Happy Hardcore Speedcore tpz We are "LSM" LSMD-0001 Lick Dom Records C92 "Lite Show"
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Hey, NM and quick check as requested.
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Bold = Must change/strong suggestion


Image Futsuu
00:32:366 - // Personal prerefence here, how about deleting this note? Flows nicely and it's more fun to play since it gives a p good variety
01:21:594 - Move this note 1/2 to the right (on the white tick). This makes more emphasis in the section that instruments get lighter for the break lol
01:36:730 - Change to D? Melody sustains the same note for quite a bit and there's not much sound difference between there and 01:36:185
01:40:275 (8,9) - Ctrl+G these two? I think the first note needs the kat more than the second because the voice is more notorious imo
01:46:821 - Delete? Consistency with the intro (00:13:003 - ) and it seems weird that this small note is here between all the big ones lol
* // If you didn't delete, consider adding a finisher to the note then



Image Muzukashii
01:10:821 - // Make this pattern kkd? For variety, and also sounds good opposing the previous ddk
01:18:457 - Move this note 1/1 to the left, so you emphasize 01:18:730 (250,251,252,253,254) better

That's all, MM's mod made me shorten mine a bit lol


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00:10:003 (13) - As much as I like sliders these don't feel very intuitive here. Here is my suggestion (first note is where the slider originally started):
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Simple pattern to accent the wubby sounds with an appropriate level density. Personally the 2nd one feels a little better but will alter the structure of your finisher patterns if you are ok with that. (Going from K K D K K to D K D K K.)
00:14:366 (27) - Same applies to this slider. Don't be afraid to copy pasta, or try a variation of your own.
00:20:230 (40) - Move this to 00:20:775 - . d d k k d fits the sample a little better and gives a better feels to the upcoming gap because you finished off the strong of notes with a tougher pattern.
00:21:457 - Could add a don or a kat here. The gap feels a little too long, imo.
00:24:594 (58) - Move this note like the one before.
00:30:321 (83) - Move this note back to the blue tick? Better to have it snapped correctly and be a tad "harder" (and song accurate) than it be unsnapped and "easier". Or possibly find another way to represent the beats correctly if BN have a fit over this.
00:34:821 - Adding a k here wouldn't hurt.
00:49:685 (141) - Move this to the red tick at 00:49:957 - Better feeling build up into the next measure. (also follows the bells sounds)
00:52:821 (157) - You could delete this note. Tones down the density a little.
00:58:003 (178,179,180,181,182) - Same as before with moving the triplet around. But I would adjust your structure to what it is was before. Also changing 00:59:094 (183) - to a D would be preferred with this.
01:01:548 (196) - Can also be deleted like the previous similar note.
01:32:094 (307) - This one is questionable. You could keep it to match the density you provide this time around, or remove it for a break. Up to you. I think keeping it is better since the next section is especially intense. This helps ready the player a bit
01:35:366 (323) - This doesn't need to be a finisher. Especially since its followed up with a triplet.
01:37:821 - Could add a d here.
01:39:730 (347) - Same as before.
01:40:821 (355) - If you chose the keep this note structure in the measures before (the 2nd kiai) keep this for consistency. If not remove it. ^
01:43:821 (365) - Same thing applies from the suggestion I had at the start.
01:48:321 (373,374,375,376,377) - Adjust it here too for the sake of consistency.



Elite mapper btw


Applied everything else. Thanks!
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Midnaait wrote:
Hey, NM and quick check as requested.
// = Suggestion
Bold = Must change/strong suggestion


Image Futsuu
00:32:366 - // Personal prerefence here, how about deleting this note? Flows nicely and it's more fun to play since it gives a p good variety
01:21:594 - Move this note 1/2 to the right (on the white tick). This makes more emphasis in the section that instruments get lighter for the break lol
01:36:730 - Change to D? Melody sustains the same note for quite a bit and there's not much sound difference between there and 01:36:185
01:40:275 (8,9) - Ctrl+G these two? I think the first note needs the kat more than the second because the voice is more notorious imo The current arramgement feels better to me when I play. I like how the k's are all grouped, fits the kicks here better if they are all represented the same way
01:46:821 - Delete? Consistency with the intro (00:13:003 - ) and it seems weird that this small note is here between all the big ones lol
* // If you didn't delete, consider adding a finisher to the note then



Image Muzukashii
01:10:821 - // Make this pattern kkd? For variety, and also sounds good opposing the previous ddk
01:18:457 - Move this note 1/1 to the left, so you emphasize 01:18:730 (250,251,252,253,254) better

That's all, MM's mod made me shorten mine a bit lol


tfw elite mapper


Fixed everything else, thanks!!
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changed some stuff from chromoxx at v2

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  • 00:07:821 (8) - remove this note please for a better spread
  • 00:08:503 - you miss a finisher here, also kantan and futsuu has finisher.
  • 00:27:662 (82,83) - I strongly recommend you to remove this notes and add k on 00:28:275 - for some reasons:
    - 00:27:662 (82,83,84) - this is kinda complicated for a muzu diff imo, if you take hikiko's Oni as a reference, she is enphasizing only 00:27:457 (81,82,83) -
    - kinda weird that the same mapper is following 00:27:662 (82,83) - in muzu while futsuu is following vocal at 00:28:003 - and 00:28:275 -, that's why I think that keeping consistency in structure with futsuu is better.
  • 00:47:366 - 00:51:730 (5) - remove finishers, it could be acceptable on Oni or above but it's better to make muzu simpler, also consistency with my suggestion on futsuu Same as Futsuu i think the sound here is really important and the finish fits really well. I didn't map it in the second part of 2nd kiai since there were 1/2 rhythms that were too dense, but when theres a 1/1 gap I think its acceptable to map it.
  • 01:02:503 (210,211) - I don't think this is necessary tbh, considering that you don't have notes on lower diffs at this part, so gap will be huge.
  • 01:03:457 (213,214,215,216,217) - switch everything, it should be d k ddk for consistency with whole set, I don't understand how your futsu and your muzu are different lol
  • 01:07:548 - this sound is more important than 01:07:003 - imo, also futsuu and kantan are enphasizing such sound, first of all press ctrl+g at 01:07:275 (226,227) - then move 01:07:003 - to 01:07:548 -
  • 01:12:457 (240,241,242,243) - I know what are you following here but keep consistency with the previous part ( 01:03:457 (213,214,215,216,217) - ), it looks very inconsistent, move 01:12:457 - to 01:12:730 -, 01:13:003 - to 01:13:275 - and 01:14:094 - to 01:13:821 - I'd like to keep this if possible. I fixed it on Futsuu since following vocals is good, but for Muzu i think its more interesting to use this rhythm. If you notice, the song is a bit quieter,
    and there is emphasis on the percussion sound in the back. it's not a full repeat of the earlier hyper measure, you can hear it's more acoustic, so I wanted to demonstrate that shift with these offbeat patterns, but let me know if this is acceptable, thanks!
  • 01:16:821 (255,256,257,258,259) - same as above pls.
  • 01:32:094 - remove this note, it isn't at all necessary and ruin the spread, enphasize prominent sounds only pls
  • 01:48:185 - what are you following here? shouldn't be at 01:48:321 - ?


Fixed everything else, thanks a bunch sh1n1!
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Just wanna mention, there were barely any mods on Kantan - Muzukashii, and the ones who DID mod it, are part of the set. I think it says somewhere in the rules, that you can't have your own guests mod your other diff spreads? Is that not collusion?

I believe this is a big reason that this needs to be re-evaluated.
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There is something I want to address:

The spread is a bit unbalanced and could be improved. The Muzukashi's density lacks consistency compared to hikiko's Oni. It would help if the opening of the Muzukashii wasn't so empty, this may also help an issue regarding how hikiko's Oni has twice as many objects as the Muzukashii. Regardless I think either a few elements should be either removed or added to their respective difficulties.

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Dargin wrote:
There is something I want to address:

The spread is a bit unbalanced and could be improved. The Muzukashi's density lacks consistency compared to hikiko's Oni. It would help if the opening of the Muzukashii wasn't so empty, this may also help an issue regarding how hikiko's Oni has twice as many objects as the Muzukashii. Regardless I think either a few elements should be either removed or added to their respective difficulties.

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the introductions of k/f/m are nearly identical, and then have a massive density jump. there should be some form of increase as you go up in difficulty level.
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