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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on November 6, 2017 at 12:17:01 PM

Artist: Lite Show Magic
Title: TRICKL4SH 220
Source: SOUND VOLTEX IV HEAVENLY HAVEN
Tags: tricklash t+pazolite vs C-Show KinomiCandy Midnaait hikikochan TKS MMzz mittenmasterzz SDVX KONAMI BEMANI Don't waste me! E.P. EP M3-36 M3 HARDCORE Happy Hardcore Speedcore Lick Dom Records
BPM: 220
Filesize: 5901kb
Play Time: 01:50
Difficulties Available:
  1. Futsuu (2.2 stars, 252 notes)
  2. hikiko's Oni (4.44 stars, 695 notes)
  3. Kinomi's Oni (5.27 stars, 817 notes)
  4. Mid's Kantan (1.75 stars, 180 notes)
  5. MM's Inner Oni (6.08 stars, 840 notes)
  6. Muzukashii (3.32 stars, 394 notes)
  7. TK'S Inner Oni (6.3 stars, 932 notes)


Download: Lite Show Magic - TRICKL4SH 220
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Ready for BN's. I'm also Elite Mapper taiko btw.

p/6336912

Click here to mod it in modding v1
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kds for my modding v2 posts?

not gonna nominate this btw because of my involvement with the other set. was just asked for some input and gave some quick suggestions based on playing the diffs through once
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[Kinomi's Oni]
00:03:457 (26,27,28,29) - These 1/6 aren't really appropriate for an Oni I would swap them out for triplets.
00:21:594 (120,121,122) - Make this ddk instead. Using the k to accent that loud sample is pretty cool and it gives a little structure change to the end of the pattern. d d k instead of the d k d k d structure from before.
00:24:185 (143,144,145,146,147,148,149,150,151,152,153,154) - Change the structure of this around to reflect the samples more. Like you did at 00:19:957 (102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110) -
01:12:185 (219) - Move the green line back a little. The bar line for the speedup isn't matching with the note for some reason.
01:36:935 (112) - This would work better as a d, imo.
01:41:775 (6) - Finisher doesn't feel necessary.

[hikiko's Oni]
Maybe fill out the opening section a little? For spread reasons it feels little odd to have one of the Oni diffs "under mapped" compared to the others when they are much more dense at the start.

00:21:321 (78,79) - Swap these two colors. Brings out the feeling of the samples a little better, imo.

[Muzukashii]
00:10:003 (13) - As much as I like sliders these don't feel very intuitive here. Here is my suggestion (first note is where the slider originally started):
or
Simple pattern to accent the wubby sounds with an appropriate level density. Personally the 2nd one feels a little better but will alter the structure of your finisher patterns if you are ok with that. (Going from K K D K K to D K D K K.)
00:14:366 (27) - Same applies to this slider. Don't be afraid to copy pasta, or try a variation of your own.
00:20:230 (40) - Move this to 00:20:775 - . d d k k d fits the sample a little better and gives a better feels to the upcoming gap because you finished off the strong of notes with a tougher pattern.
00:21:457 - Could add a don or a kat here. The gap feels a little too long, imo.
00:24:594 (58) - Move this note like the one before.
00:30:321 (83) - Move this note back to the blue tick? Better to have it snapped correctly and be a tad "harder" (and song accurate) than it be unsnapped and "easier". Or possibly find another way to represent the beats correctly if BN have a fit over this.
00:34:821 - Adding a k here wouldn't hurt.
00:49:685 (141) - Move this to the red tick at 00:49:957 - Better feeling build up into the next measure. (also follows the bells sounds)
00:52:821 (157) - You could delete this note. Tones down the density a little.
00:58:003 (178,179,180,181,182) - Same as before with moving the triplet around. But I would adjust your structure to what it is was before. Also changing 00:59:094 (183) - to a D would be preferred with this.
01:01:548 (196) - Can also be deleted like the previous similar note.
01:32:094 (307) - This one is questionable. You could keep it to match the density you provide this time around, or remove it for a break. Up to you.
01:35:366 (323) - This doesn't need to be a finisher. Especially since its followed up with a triplet.
01:37:821 - Could add a d here.
01:39:730 (347) - Same as before.
01:40:821 (355) - If you chose the keep this note structure in the measures before (the 2nd kiai) keep this for consistency. If not remove it.
01:43:821 (365) - Same thing applies from the suggestion I had at the start.
01:48:321 (373,374,375,376,377) - Adjust it here too for the sake of consistency.



Elite mapper btw
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MMzz wrote:

[Kinomi's Oni]
00:03:457 (26,27,28,29) - These 1/6 aren't really appropriate for an Oni I would swap them out for triplets. fixed
00:21:594 (120,121,122) - Make this ddk instead. Using the k to accent that loud sample is pretty cool and it gives a little structure change to the end of the pattern. d d k instead of the d k d k d structure from before. done
00:24:185 (143,144,145,146,147,148,149,150,151,152,153,154) - Change the structure of this around to reflect the samples more. Like you did at 00:19:957 (102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110) - changed to ddkkdkkkddddk to reflect the samples more
01:12:185 (219) - Move the green line back a little. The bar line for the speedup isn't matching with the note for some reason. whoops forgot to fix this, moved it a bit ahead instead
01:36:935 (112) - This would work better as a d, imo. eh sure
01:41:775 (6) - Finisher doesn't feel necessary. changed

Elite mapper btw

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https://kinobles.s-ul.eu/Bbp6ZD2J.osu
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kds for modding v2 on this please?

MMzz wrote:


[hikiko's Oni]
Maybe fill out the opening section a little? For spread reasons it feels little odd to have one of the Oni diffs "under mapped" compared to the others when they are much more dense at the start. did some stuff

00:21:321 (78,79) - Swap these two colors. Brings out the feeling of the samples a little better, imo. done

Elite mapper btw i agree
updated diff
osu file format v14

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Artist:Lite Show Magic
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Creator:Monstrata
Version:hikiko's Oni
Source:SOUND VOLTEX IV HEAVENLY HAVEN
Tags:t+pazolite vs C-Show KinomiCandy Midnaait hikikochan TKS MMzz mittenmasterzz SDVX KONAMI BEMANI Don't waste me! E.P. EP M3-36 M3 LSM C.H.S CHS Comiket 85 C85 CHSEP-0003 HARDCORE TANO*C Happy Hardcore Speedcore tpz We are "LSM" LSMD-0001 Lick Dom Records C92 "Lite Show"
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posted
Hey, NM and quick check as requested.
// = Suggestion
Bold = Must change/strong suggestion

[ Futsuu]
00:32:366 - // Personal prerefence here, how about deleting this note? Flows nicely and it's more fun to play since it gives a p good variety
01:21:594 - Move this note 1/2 to the right (on the white tick). This makes more emphasis in the section that instruments get lighter for the break lol
01:36:730 - Change to D? Melody sustains the same note for quite a bit and there's not much sound difference between there and 01:36:185
01:40:275 (8,9) - Ctrl+G these two? I think the first note needs the kat more than the second because the voice is more notorious imo
01:46:821 - Delete? Consistency with the intro (00:13:003 - ) and it seems weird that this small note is here between all the big ones lol
* // If you didn't delete, consider adding a finisher to the note then
[ Muzukashii]
01:10:821 - // Make this pattern kkd? For variety, and also sounds good opposing the previous ddk
01:18:457 - Move this note 1/1 to the left, so you emphasize 01:18:730 (250,251,252,253,254) better

That's all, MM's mod made me shorten mine a bit lol
tfw elite mapper
posted

MMzz wrote:


[Muzukashii]
00:10:003 (13) - As much as I like sliders these don't feel very intuitive here. Here is my suggestion (first note is where the slider originally started):
or
Simple pattern to accent the wubby sounds with an appropriate level density. Personally the 2nd one feels a little better but will alter the structure of your finisher patterns if you are ok with that. (Going from K K D K K to D K D K K.)
00:14:366 (27) - Same applies to this slider. Don't be afraid to copy pasta, or try a variation of your own.
00:20:230 (40) - Move this to 00:20:775 - . d d k k d fits the sample a little better and gives a better feels to the upcoming gap because you finished off the strong of notes with a tougher pattern.
00:21:457 - Could add a don or a kat here. The gap feels a little too long, imo.
00:24:594 (58) - Move this note like the one before.
00:30:321 (83) - Move this note back to the blue tick? Better to have it snapped correctly and be a tad "harder" (and song accurate) than it be unsnapped and "easier". Or possibly find another way to represent the beats correctly if BN have a fit over this.
00:34:821 - Adding a k here wouldn't hurt.
00:49:685 (141) - Move this to the red tick at 00:49:957 - Better feeling build up into the next measure. (also follows the bells sounds)
00:52:821 (157) - You could delete this note. Tones down the density a little.
00:58:003 (178,179,180,181,182) - Same as before with moving the triplet around. But I would adjust your structure to what it is was before. Also changing 00:59:094 (183) - to a D would be preferred with this.
01:01:548 (196) - Can also be deleted like the previous similar note.
01:32:094 (307) - This one is questionable. You could keep it to match the density you provide this time around, or remove it for a break. Up to you. I think keeping it is better since the next section is especially intense. This helps ready the player a bit
01:35:366 (323) - This doesn't need to be a finisher. Especially since its followed up with a triplet.
01:37:821 - Could add a d here.
01:39:730 (347) - Same as before.
01:40:821 (355) - If you chose the keep this note structure in the measures before (the 2nd kiai) keep this for consistency. If not remove it. ^
01:43:821 (365) - Same thing applies from the suggestion I had at the start.
01:48:321 (373,374,375,376,377) - Adjust it here too for the sake of consistency.



Elite mapper btw


Applied everything else. Thanks!
posted

Midnaait wrote:

Hey, NM and quick check as requested.
// = Suggestion
Bold = Must change/strong suggestion

[ Futsuu]
00:32:366 - // Personal prerefence here, how about deleting this note? Flows nicely and it's more fun to play since it gives a p good variety
01:21:594 - Move this note 1/2 to the right (on the white tick). This makes more emphasis in the section that instruments get lighter for the break lol
01:36:730 - Change to D? Melody sustains the same note for quite a bit and there's not much sound difference between there and 01:36:185
01:40:275 (8,9) - Ctrl+G these two? I think the first note needs the kat more than the second because the voice is more notorious imo The current arramgement feels better to me when I play. I like how the k's are all grouped, fits the kicks here better if they are all represented the same way
01:46:821 - Delete? Consistency with the intro (00:13:003 - ) and it seems weird that this small note is here between all the big ones lol
* // If you didn't delete, consider adding a finisher to the note then
[ Muzukashii]
01:10:821 - // Make this pattern kkd? For variety, and also sounds good opposing the previous ddk
01:18:457 - Move this note 1/1 to the left, so you emphasize 01:18:730 (250,251,252,253,254) better

That's all, MM's mod made me shorten mine a bit lol
tfw elite mapper


Fixed everything else, thanks!!
posted
changed some stuff from chromoxx at v2

https://kinobles.s-ul.eu/GNlqhyIb.osu
posted

Futsuu
  1. 00:21:457 (12) - change into d to add more enphasis on 00:21:730 -, also consistency with muzukashii
  2. 00:23:366 (4) - what do you think about d here? vocal pitch change at 00:23:639 -
  3. 00:30:730 (1,2,3,4,5) - why did you change the rhythm here? 00:31:003 (2) - move to 00:31:275 -, 00:31:548 (3) - move to 00:32:366 - and remove 00:32:639 (6) -
  4. 00:41:094 (22,23) - remove this notes, this section is exactly the same as Muzu so we need to nerf this part a bit.
  5. 00:43:548 (29) - remove this one too for the same reason as above.
  6. 00:45:730 - delete this note for a better spread, right now from futsuu to the last diff you are enphasizing 00:45:457 - 00:45:730 - and 00:46:003 -, that's why a simplification will be better.
  7. 00:47:366 - 00:51:730 (5) - doesn't deserve finish, it's a normal sound, also 00:52:548 - is stronger and you put a normal k
  8. 00:48:185 (7,8,9,10,11) - what the hell, why this section have more notes than Muzu? remove 00:48:457 - and 00:49:548 -
  9. 00:57:185 - 00:58:275 - same as above pls
  10. 01:12:457 (2,3,4,5) - nope, don't change your rhythm base, keep following vocal as you did on 01:03:457 (1,2,3,4,5) -, the main reason is 01:18:457 (5,6,7,8,9,10) -, dunno why this 6-plet is longer than the pattern on Muzu, also take a look to other diffs, they are being consistent with structure at least.
  11. 01:26:639 - 01:31:003 - 01:35:366 - 01:39:730 - as I said before, try to remove the finisher here to keep a simpler pattern pls.
  12. 01:28:275 - remove this note for a better spread.
  13. 01:38:094 (14) - delete this one too, current pattern is long also to add more enphasis to 01:38:366 -
  14. 01:45:321 (5) - remove this note to improve the spread, current spread from futsuu to last diff: https://puu.sh/yfX4L/4fec16e6f6.png
  15. 01:49:685 (5,6,7,8) - I won't bother about structure but for simplification the whole pattern could be d, same as you did on Muzu.

Muzukashii
  1. 00:07:821 (8) - remove this note please for a better spread
  2. 00:08:503 - you miss a finisher here, also kantan and futsuu has finisher.
  3. 00:27:662 (82,83) - I strongly recommend you to remove this notes and add k on 00:28:275 - for some reasons:
    - 00:27:662 (82,83,84) - this is kinda complicated for a muzu diff imo, if you take hikiko's Oni as a reference, she is enphasizing only 00:27:457 (81,82,83) -
    - kinda weird that the same mapper is following 00:27:662 (82,83) - in muzu while futsuu is following vocal at 00:28:003 - and 00:28:275 -, that's why I think that keeping consistency in structure with futsuu is better.
  4. 00:47:366 - 00:51:730 (5) - remove finishers, it could be acceptable on Oni or above but it's better to make muzu simpler, also consistency with my suggestion on futsuu
  5. 01:02:503 (210,211) - I don't think this is necessary tbh, considering that you don't have notes on lower diffs at this part, so gap will be huge.
  6. 01:03:457 (213,214,215,216,217) - switch everything, it should be d k ddk for consistency with whole set, I don't understand how your futsu and your muzu are different lol
  7. 01:07:548 - this sound is more important than 01:07:003 - imo, also futsuu and kantan are enphasizing such sound, first of all press ctrl+g at 01:07:275 (226,227) - then move 01:07:003 - to 01:07:548 -
  8. 01:12:457 (240,241,242,243) - I know what are you following here but keep consistency with the previous part ( 01:03:457 (213,214,215,216,217) - ), it looks very inconsistent, move 01:12:457 - to 01:12:730 -, 01:13:003 - to 01:13:275 - and 01:14:094 - to 01:13:821 -
  9. 01:16:821 (255,256,257,258,259) - same as above pls.
  10. 01:32:094 - remove this note, it isn't at all necessary and ruin the spread, enphasize prominent sounds only pls
  11. 01:48:185 - what are you following here? shouldn't be at 01:48:321 - ?
posted

-Sh1n1- wrote:

Futsuu
  1. 00:21:457 (12) - change into d to add more enphasis on 00:21:730 -, also consistency with muzukashii
  2. 00:23:366 (4) - what do you think about d here? vocal pitch change at 00:23:639 -
  3. 00:30:730 (1,2,3,4,5) - why did you change the rhythm here? 00:31:003 (2) - move to 00:31:275 -, 00:31:548 (3) - move to 00:32:366 - and remove 00:32:639 (6) -
  4. 00:41:094 (22,23) - remove this notes, this section is exactly the same as Muzu so we need to nerf this part a bit.
  5. 00:43:548 (29) - remove this one too for the same reason as above.
  6. 00:45:730 - delete this note for a better spread, right now from futsuu to the last diff you are enphasizing 00:45:457 - 00:45:730 - and 00:46:003 -, that's why a simplification will be better.
  7. 00:47:366 - 00:51:730 (5) - doesn't deserve finish, it's a normal sound, also 00:52:548 - is stronger and you put a normal k I really think this deserves a finish, it's much stronger imo, and the Oni diffs all create some sort of special emphasis for it. It's much more unique than the kick you mentioned so imo Finisher here fits better.
  8. 00:48:185 (7,8,9,10,11) - what the hell, why this section have more notes than Muzu? remove 00:48:457 - and 00:49:548 -
  9. 00:57:185 - 00:58:275 - same as above pls
  10. 01:12:457 (2,3,4,5) - nope, don't change your rhythm base, keep following vocal as you did on 01:03:457 (1,2,3,4,5) -, the main reason is 01:18:457 (5,6,7,8,9,10) -, dunno why this 6-plet is longer than the pattern on Muzu, also take a look to other diffs, they are being consistent with structure at least.
  11. 01:26:639 - 01:31:003 - 01:35:366 - 01:39:730 - as I said before, try to remove the finisher here to keep a simpler pattern pls.
  12. 01:28:275 - remove this note for a better spread.
  13. 01:38:094 (14) - delete this one too, current pattern is long also to add more enphasis to 01:38:366 -
  14. 01:45:321 (5) - remove this note to improve the spread, current spread from futsuu to last diff: https://puu.sh/yfX4L/4fec16e6f6.png I think this is fine... the note is really necessary for the kicks pattern. Omitting one sounds really bad
  15. 01:49:685 (5,6,7,8) - I won't bother about structure but for simplification the whole pattern could be d, same as you did on Muzu.

Muzukashii
  1. 00:07:821 (8) - remove this note please for a better spread
  2. 00:08:503 - you miss a finisher here, also kantan and futsuu has finisher.
  3. 00:27:662 (82,83) - I strongly recommend you to remove this notes and add k on 00:28:275 - for some reasons:
    - 00:27:662 (82,83,84) - this is kinda complicated for a muzu diff imo, if you take hikiko's Oni as a reference, she is enphasizing only 00:27:457 (81,82,83) -
    - kinda weird that the same mapper is following 00:27:662 (82,83) - in muzu while futsuu is following vocal at 00:28:003 - and 00:28:275 -, that's why I think that keeping consistency in structure with futsuu is better.
  4. 00:47:366 - 00:51:730 (5) - remove finishers, it could be acceptable on Oni or above but it's better to make muzu simpler, also consistency with my suggestion on futsuu Same as Futsuu i think the sound here is really important and the finish fits really well. I didn't map it in the second part of 2nd kiai since there were 1/2 rhythms that were too dense, but when theres a 1/1 gap I think its acceptable to map it.
  5. 01:02:503 (210,211) - I don't think this is necessary tbh, considering that you don't have notes on lower diffs at this part, so gap will be huge.
  6. 01:03:457 (213,214,215,216,217) - switch everything, it should be d k ddk for consistency with whole set, I don't understand how your futsu and your muzu are different lol
  7. 01:07:548 - this sound is more important than 01:07:003 - imo, also futsuu and kantan are enphasizing such sound, first of all press ctrl+g at 01:07:275 (226,227) - then move 01:07:003 - to 01:07:548 -
  8. 01:12:457 (240,241,242,243) - I know what are you following here but keep consistency with the previous part ( 01:03:457 (213,214,215,216,217) - ), it looks very inconsistent, move 01:12:457 - to 01:12:730 -, 01:13:003 - to 01:13:275 - and 01:14:094 - to 01:13:821 - I'd like to keep this if possible. I fixed it on Futsuu since following vocals is good, but for Muzu i think its more interesting to use this rhythm. If you notice, the song is a bit quieter,
    and there is emphasis on the percussion sound in the back. it's not a full repeat of the earlier hyper measure, you can hear it's more acoustic, so I wanted to demonstrate that shift with these offbeat patterns, but let me know if this is acceptable, thanks!
  9. 01:16:821 (255,256,257,258,259) - same as above pls.
  10. 01:32:094 - remove this note, it isn't at all necessary and ruin the spread, enphasize prominent sounds only pls
  11. 01:48:185 - what are you following here? shouldn't be at 01:48:321 - ?


Fixed everything else, thanks a bunch sh1n1!
posted
applied arrival's mod at v2

https://kinobles.s-ul.eu/QU9FsRrU.osu
posted
Just wanna mention, there were barely any mods on Kantan - Muzukashii, and the ones who DID mod it, are part of the set. I think it says somewhere in the rules, that you can't have your own guests mod your other diff spreads? Is that not collusion?

I believe this is a big reason that this needs to be re-evaluated.
posted
There is something I want to address:

The spread is a bit unbalanced and could be improved. The Muzukashi's density lacks consistency compared to hikiko's Oni. It would help if the opening of the Muzukashii wasn't so empty, this may also help an issue regarding how hikiko's Oni has twice as many objects as the Muzukashii. Regardless I think either a few elements should be either removed or added to their respective difficulties.





posted

Dargin wrote:

There is something I want to address:

The spread is a bit unbalanced and could be improved. The Muzukashi's density lacks consistency compared to hikiko's Oni. It would help if the opening of the Muzukashii wasn't so empty, this may also help an issue regarding how hikiko's Oni has twice as many objects as the Muzukashii. Regardless I think either a few elements should be either removed or added to their respective difficulties.








bonus:


the introductions of k/f/m are nearly identical, and then have a massive density jump. there should be some form of increase as you go up in difficulty level.
posted
Lookin at TK's Inner.

Why this map gotta feel like it's trying specifically NOT follow the song. When you avoid mapping the actual melody like 00:46:412 - / 00:54:866 - / 01:25:821 - but map things that aren't even close to being there like 00:50:844 (56) - the map becomes confusing and frustrating to players. I understand "improv life br0" but this just isn't needed at all, especially when you have difficulties that make sense 100% of the time literally right above your diff.

Lookin at the spread between the Muzu and the Hiki's Oni.

00:07:275 (6,7) - First off, why are these not K like the Futsuu? Is there any reason for them to not be consistent? Even in MM's Inner Oni they're K's, it's just kind of illogical.
Yeah, the gap in the beginning between the Muzu and Hiki's Oni is just ridiculous, there's not even so much of a thought of making a smooth transition from literally nothing being mapped to almost everything being mapped, and that just shouldn't be a thing.

Lookin at the rest of the diffs.

Full set: 180 -> 252 (+72) -> 396 (+144) -> 695 (+299) -> 817 (+123) -> 840 (+33) -> 932 (+92)

Two major gaps are between the Muzu and the Hiki's Oni, and then between Kinomi's Oni and MM's Inner Oni. I suspect the Muzu gap is due to the lack of a mapped intro, and sparse use of triples due to the high bpm, which could only mean that the Muzu should have a mapped into and the Hiki's Oni should reduce the amount of triples and fivles. I would recommend removing such instances in the Hiki's Oni like 01:33:457 - which could be represented as well with a kkd.

For the gap between Kinomi's Oni and MM's Inner Oni, I would believe the culprits to be the excessive use of fivlets (ex. 00:58:821 - / 01:29:094 - ) and unexpected septlets (ex. 00:50:912 - / 01:31:412 - ) .

Major inconsistencies in the really large hits that have just not reason for being different, there's 3 ways the hits at 00:08:912 - are mapped, D D D, D D K and D K D. Why though?

Multiple people have pointed out solid evidence of this set not being ready for rank, so t hat's also a considerable factor in deciding whether or not disqualification is necessary.
posted

Noffy wrote:

Dargin wrote:

There is something I want to address:

The spread is a bit unbalanced and could be improved. The Muzukashi's density lacks consistency compared to hikiko's Oni. It would help if the opening of the Muzukashii wasn't so empty, this may also help an issue regarding how hikiko's Oni has twice as many objects as the Muzukashii. Regardless I think either a few elements should be either removed or added to their respective difficulties.








bonus:


the introductions of k/f/m are nearly identical, and then have a massive density jump. there should be some form of increase as you go up in difficulty level.


It's not necessary to have density increase on every single section of the map, especially for an intro. I only want to map the finishers on Futsuu and Muzu and that's fine. I make up for spread in other sections. In any case, if you want to comment, please use moddingv2

Also, for those who are here trying to defend Taikocracy, we already made peace more or less. Please stop comparing my set to his and causing either of us more drama. I appreciate your concerns, but if they are fueled by a desire to get my set dq'ed, then you are doing something wrong, and not following the Code of Conduct either. We will get to your concerns, don't worry. In any case, please stop cluttering the forums, this mapset was nominated through moddingv2, please go there instead so we can better communicate our concerns.



posted

Monstrata wrote:

It's not necessary to have density increase on every single section of the map, especially for an intro. I only want to map the finishers on Futsuu and Muzu and that's fine. I make up for spread in other sections. In any case, if you want to comment, please use moddingv2


I personally dislike the modding v2 so i'd prefer to mod in v1.
(you specifically gave a thread link to mod in v1 in the map description..)

Regardless of the lack of density in the beginning of the muzukashii. The density is inconsistent and it's too far off from the Oni to be rankable in my opinion. I am not saying to change the whole map, I am stating that I believe some parts could be made more dense (of your choice), OR the Oni could have a few things removed to balance out the spread. While the star rating looks like it's even, it's not a reliable factor to use when judging spread.

I also agree with what Noffy replied with stating that the jump in density is completely random and I agree that it is a problem that should be taken a second look at.
posted
going to take a neutral stance on this, i'm not exactly a big fan of the commotion here myself, zzz

i do see that there can be a slight spread issue, but i mean if it can be rationally defended might as well leave it alone, and if y'all can't decide then let a qat decide

like chromoxx, i don't really want to be a part of this drama too much, kind of unnecessary and over the top for a 1:50 song lmao

edit 1: changed mind as well to might as well oops
edit 2: modding v2 please, the map is on v2 after all zzz
posted

Monstrata wrote:

In any case, please stop cluttering the forums, this mapset was nominated through moddingv2, please go there instead so we can better communicate our concerns.



I had posted about this prior in the v2 thread as well, I just found the forum to be more friendly for embedding the images neccessary to convey what I am seeing. (i dont like mv2)
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