1. Forever (5,84 stars, 1429 notes)

Free of self or identity
The nameless can live painlessly

Thank you Bergy for mp3!

cute boy wrote:

00:59:397 (11,1,2,3) - stacking is weird manual stacking

02:41:325 (1,2,3) - could do better blanket with 02:40:754 (9) - by moving it closer, if u do you'd have to move that 4 too looked closer and there's nothing wrong with this blanket

04:30:897 - starting here i think this sv is too high idk i put .75 and it feels better to me but i see its like .8 and .7 later on so idk how you'd change it if u were going to i was considering remapping this whole part anyways since im not that happy with the current outcome

final spinner could go to 06:20:611 - and think it should tbh nah, it ends on a pretty nice beat to end on before the ranking screen

Arutsuki wrote:

00:22:182 (5,6,7,8,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - only these really have a sound to put 1/4's on, the rest of the stream is just overmapped :\ an not just here its not overmapped because on 00:22:897 (2,3,4,5) - i mapped the toms and on 00:23:182 (1,2,3,4,5) - i mapped the double kicks.

00:59:397 (11,1) - consider spacing these more for better empathis of the guitar would not flow well if they were spaced more than the previous stream.

01:01:182 (1,2,3,4) - this is pretty confusing, either NC the other three notes as well, or just make them jumps, since it usually makes more sense to have higher spacing on a louder sound alot of complains on this pattern, ill nc all notes just to be certain

01:08:897 (4,5) - these just feel like they don't fit, the drums are the same that's true, but the guitar pitch changes and it just feels weird to have no movement on that this part doesnt get much movement until 01:10:897 (1) - because thats where the drums changes and goes into the next part. i thought it was quite clever to have less movement before the transition into the next fill leading into the chorus because that really emphasizes that part perfectly

01:14:754 (2) - the sound on this sliderend is the same as the following circle. I recommend just putting a circle there and shortening the sliderend to the white tick, so it lands on the finish sound perhaps, but i like how you have to release your key then press it again. kinda like how you'd strum on a guitar

01:22:897 (1,2,3,4) - I feel like these should be spaced more than 01:18:182 (5,6,7,8) - again more intense sounds should have higher spacing theyre the same sound anyways so no reason to space them out more

04:32:612 (5,6,1) - same sound different spacing wha tone change at 04:33:183 (1) -

also try to like alternate some stuff in the last third, idk it felt kinda repetitive and got boring :c its hard to map a repetetive part of a song to not be repetetive. remapping this part anyways so

TheKingHenry wrote:

You listed this as metalcore in my queue (for the genre part). If you think so, add it to the tags as well then. youre right, just added "core" to "metal" in tags

You could NC 00:16:611 (4) - instead of 00:16:754 (1) - since it's the emphasized note (on white tick as well) and changing the NC place here won't make it too confusing since it's fairly simple i thought it'd be better to split the patterns through nc

00:35:753 (9,1) - fix the stack with these (like, cuz 00:36:611 (1,2) - are also stacked, due the stack leniency the slider 2 pushes the circle away so it's not where 00:35:753 (9) - is. Simple fix is to stack 9 and 1 and then move the slider so that it's not "stacking" but it looks like it's doing the same thing as it's doing currently. Just without fuckin up the placement of 1) fixed actually

00:46:325 (4) - maybe bit unnecessary, but could you arrange this pattern so that this slider blankets not only 00:45:182 (1) - but also the whole stream with it's sliderend? fixed

00:58:897 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - vs 00:59:468 (1,2) - I think the spacings should be vice versa considering the intensity in song. Nevertheless changing the stream spacing for 2 notes like that (even tho they begin new combo from white tick) doesn't usually look too good, perhaps you could even use a kickslider or smth (changing spacing for only couple of notes looks okay the other way tho as in 03:25:611 (4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - for example) i figured it'd make sense since i stacked the next triple bass and that was what my intention was. it's like a reversed pattern of the one you mentioned

02:11:182 (9,2) - fix stack fix

Well this is pretty clean already didn't find too much. My personal opinion would be tho that you could keep the spacing little more stable on the quieter parts, especially the ending. going to remap it after this mod

Spork Lover wrote:

General

Widescreen support and epilepsy warning is enabled. Are you going to apply a storyboard at some point? there was a storyboard at one point, but i deleted it cause i wasnt so happy with it. ill probably get somebody to do it or do it myself again

The combo colors decrease in color intensity, which is cool, but I feel like you need some red colors in the chorus and the solo since it's metalcore. Lemme mix up some for ya:
Combo 5: 159, 0, 0
Combo 6: 225, 0, 0
Combo 7: 255, 85, 85
Combo 4 would be used here too
^ mix those around as you want lol
^ Use those for the chorus and maybe even the solo. It will take some work, but it will spice up the overall feel of the map when you see different colors for intense sections. You can also do a yellow color on combo 8 for every time an 8+ note stream comes up, since they are pretty distinct for the song too!. example for yellow and maybe gray: 00:44:611 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - i think ill consider this actually, would give the map that little extra.

Mod

00:21:897 (1,3) - Switch and make the first two notes different in some way, since the 3 is on the white tick and is the strongest part of the stream. If you don't NC that, then NC 00:21:754 (1) - instead. theyre both part of the same stream that wouldnt be necessary

01:00:182 (6,7,8) - I don't feel like there enough feedback for a triple here, a 1/2 stack would be dope tho. theres a triple in the song, so i wouldnt want to ignore that

01:12:611 (3) - moving this to stack with 01:12:040 (1) - will make the kickslider feel a lot more intuitive due to a back in forth pattern. It's kinda in an awkward position atm i did so something simular so it's not THAT linear

01:41:754 (1) - Doesn't feel refined enough - idea: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7230102 i think it looks good enough

02:08:754 (5,6,1,2) - Those distinct sounds should have something that tells them apart from other patterns in this section. my idea would be spacing this a little differently. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7230137 You could also make sharp shapes here. i would normally, but i put heavy emphasize on the guitar, so i mostly stack whenever the pitch doesnt change like ive done at 01:55:040 (4,5,1,2,3,4) - so i would like to keep things mostly consistent

02:34:468 - There's almost no feedback here, so i'd either make a single tap from the slider this applies to and stack it on the stream for a 1/1 break, or silence the sliderend. it's not clickable anyways so shouldnt be necessary

02:35:182 (9) - Extended slider (shorten by 1/4) and singletap? im putting emphasize on the guitars here. the slider end isnt clickable because the guitar player silences the note with his strumming hand so the note goes quiet. i did change the later one though because the guitar player does indeed strum on the slider end.

03:30:325 - I feel like utilizing the guitar sounds a little more in the beginning of the solo too would improve your emphasis. the lead guitar isnt so interesting during this small period so i mapped the rhythm guitar instead

05:25:182 (6,7) - only curved kicksliders I've seen in this slow section. I like the flow those provide, so you could probably use them more i used them when necessary but i may consider just making it all consistent instead

05:29:182 (4,5,6,7) - I think they should be in groups of two instead - i feel like the song supports either, making 2 the more "common" choise. if they were the same sound i'd group them up, but 5,6,7 isnt the same sound as 4.



I think that the map is good in terms of flow and structure, but it's very generic in relation to the song. If you made most of the strong sounds more distinct, it would make for a map which is a lot more intuitive in gameplay. my mapping style was somewhat different when i first finished it, im probably going to have to remap everything if i want it to adapt to my current style. so ill keep it this way now since i really love playing this map myself

Neoskylove wrote:

00:31:325 (4,6) - looks not so good overlap for me./ fix
00:35:753 (9) - NC? its part of the same section anyways,
00:49:468 (2,3,4) - flow looks weird i think its alright
02:36:754 (3,4) - add Nc since you changed SV theyre all the same sv so that'd be unecessary
03:21:182 (1,6) - avoid overlap? fix

Parachute wrote:

Hey heres mod from m4m

SPOILER

General
Im pretty sure the offset is a bit wrong. It should be about 60 but im not 100% sure about the correct number and maybe you should ask someone whos really good at timing.


Forever
Imo i think you should make the hitsounds a bit louder (~10%) because you used custom hitsounds that are already kinda silent id say and then you only use 60% for the most part which, for me, is too low, and the chorus has 70% .. idk i would like it more if it was a bit louder

00:13:325 (9,1) - Maybe nc 9 instead of 1 or rework this beginning section. nc here is kinda weird imo. 00:12:611 (4,1) - also maybe nc at 4 instead of 1 since music here is like that.
00:18:325 (1) - Here til 00:21:754 (7) - you should make nc like you did after the stream that follows for better consistency
00:31:468 (1) - Remove nc
00:31:611 (2,3,4,5,6) - Maybe put this a bit more up left so it has the same spacing from 1 to 2 as it has in the jump at 00:31:325 (4,1) - and it also lowers the 1/4 jump which is.. kinda weird here imo.
00:36:611 (1,2) - Stack this under 00:35:753 (9) - correctly :c
00:39:182 (1) - Imo flow can be improved here with ctrl+g on that slider. You prob did that because of the jumps you wanted here because of the guitar sound but.. if you want that i think you should increas the jump between 00:39:468 (2,3) - by dragging 2 more to the right and as i said ctrl+g the 1.. i think it would be better
00:41:182 (1) - At this section the ncs dont make sense to me. i would do them at: 00:42:468 (2) - , and then at either of 00:43:325 (4,5) -
00:53:468 (1) - Remove nc
00:59:468 (1,2,3) - I would just stack these or just improve the visuals here because this slowdown looks kinda awkward with the angle you changed the direction in..
01:14:325 (1) - Oh here you stacked it correctly so i assume the first one at 00:36:611 (1,2) - wasnt intentional.
01:22:897 (1) - Remove nc
01:30:754 (2) - I think this should be a bit of a jump, maybe like x2 ds so it would be better to play from the big jump before this.
01:42:897 (1) - Didnt nc these parts previously so this shouldnt be a nc too
01:45:182 (1) - ^
01:46:040 (6) - Stack this under the slider
01:57:754 (7) - Id rather see the nc here for consistency but.. this one is fine too
02:02:325 (1) - Here i dont understand the nc again until the vocal starts. I would redo them at this part like you did all the other times.
02:17:897 (5,6) - Maybe ctrl+g the slider and put 5 on the beginning again? Or ctrl+g 02:17:611 (4) - . both would have better flow imo.
02:40:611 (1) - Remove nc
02:44:325 (1,3) - Remove nc at 1 and add it at 3. thats how you did it at the same section before.
02:52:611 (1,2) - and 02:57:182 (1,2) - after these 2 sections you always did nc at the "2" so change these ncs too.
02:57:325 (2) - Ctrl+g has better flow again imo and the jump wouldnt be bad too.
03:45:040 (1) - This nc seems kinda random imo.
04:22:326 (3) - Ctrl+g here too
04:32:040 (1) - Remove nc. after this you did it every 2 big white ticks so do it here too.
04:45:182 (3) - Ctrl+g.. i dont really think these stacking notes fit much for the singing part and i think you could do something else here.. just my opinion though
05:12:611 (3) - etc. etc. not gonna point them out anymore change them if you want to, your choice anyways and its not really a problem ^^


So, overall this map is pretty and the flow is really good already so gl with it! :3

1. 00:38:345 (1) - I don't think that NC is really necessary here
2. 00:52:345 (4,1,2,3,4,5) - that doesn't look good so much imo, try to make/improve a star pattern here it'd surely be better
3. 00:56:060 (1) - finish on its head is not necessary
4. 01:16:345 (6,7,1) - spacing seems a bit weird i know that there's a loud finish on the red tick but i really recommand not to have a rude spacing as that, so reducing the spacing between 01:16:631 (7,1) - would be great
5. 01:25:774 (7,1) - ^
6. 01:22:631 (3,4,5,6,7) - same as 00:52:345 (4,1,2,3,4,5)
7. 01:34:917 (1,2) - NC should be on (2) not on (1) according to your NC pattern
8. 02:52:631 (1,2) - NC seems a bit inconsistent here
9. 02:57:202 (1,2) - ^
10. 03:13:202 (7) - why did you map the downbeat only here? i see no difference with the others that you skipped
11. 03:58:917 (1) - i think the sound from here is a bit too heavy imo

Irohas wrote:

forever

1. 00:38:345 (1) - I don't think that NC is really necessary here idk why it wouldnt
2. 00:52:345 (4,1,2,3,4,5) - that doesn't look good so much imo, try to make/improve a star pattern here it'd surely be better fix
3. 00:56:060 (1) - finish on its head is not necessary im sure i can hear the cymbal when playing the song by itself
4. 01:16:345 (6,7,1) - spacing seems a bit weird i know that there's a loud finish on the red tick but i really recommand not to have a rude spacing as that, so reducing the spacing between 01:16:631 (7,1) - would be great fixed
5. 01:25:774 (7,1) - ^ fixed
6. 01:22:631 (3,4,5,6,7) - same as 00:52:345 (4,1,2,3,4,5) fixed
7. 01:34:917 (1,2) - NC should be on (2) not on (1) according to your NC pattern that wasnt my intention, i forgot to swap nc at last update
8. 02:52:631 (1,2) - NC seems a bit inconsistent here same as above
9. 02:57:202 (1,2) - ^ same as above
10. 03:13:202 (7) - why did you map the downbeat only here? i see no difference with the others that you skipped because here the guitar comes in at 03:13:202 (7) - instead of 03:13:060 (6) - so i just followed the music as it is
11. 03:58:917 (1) - i think the sound from here is a bit too heavy imo made it a bit lower

Flare-kun wrote:

In general, I'd consider this genre more of Modern Prog rather than Metalcore. But debates about subsubsubgenres lead nowhere. i have no clue why i thought it was metalcore. anyways, just removed core from metalcore in tags


00:17:917 (2,3) - point this slider in the direction of the stream i love this circular motion so ill keep
00:23:202 (1) - Why NC here but not 00:22:345 (7) - here? fix
00:43:774 (2,3,4) - put 3 between 2 and 4, or maybe underneath the 4? overlapped with 00:43:345 (8) -
00:45:060 (6,1) - slider in direction of stream not necessarily since flow is good enough
01:00:488 (9) - why is this so close compared to the rest of the jumps its not an equally strong beat as the other ones. so i used the same spacing like 00:59:631 (3,4) -
01:30:345 (1,2,3) - 1 seems farther away from 2 than the 3, maybe make it equal? fixed
04:46:631 (6,1) - maybe change this to look more like this 04:52:345 (4,5) - the flow is really good so no thanks. but i may adjust the following sliders for better flow aswell idk

A r M i N wrote:

00:22:631 (1,2) - shouldnt those NC be swapped? new guitar section so i NC
00:38:631 (2,3) - stack
01:52:060 (6) - NC?
03:44:060 - put Hitsound volume up ?
04:12:060 (5) - idk but for me this looks nicer xD http://puu.sh/tZECa/d9d9cebb20.jpg
04:55:774 (7) - like this? ^^ http://puu.sh/tZEJj/92cf3b2eb8.jpg this part has alot of linear flow to make it more fun and interesting to play
06:02:345 - those whistle hitsounds are way too loud from here on

[ Pennek ] wrote:

02:40:774 (1) - You can make this slider blanket 02:41:345 (2,3,4) - fixed because i only blanket the last note in the triple, so i just adjusted to blanket the first one in the stack instead

WISPG_G wrote:

1. 00:31:345 (10,1) - make sharper angle here for jump, pretty strong beat here 00:31:488 - but you used almost 90 degree here. For example stack this 00:31:488 (1,1) - feels better imo + may be place next notes closer the angles are already really sharp
   
2. 00:44:060 (4) - may be ctrl+g and move 00:44:345 (5,6,7) - farther? emphasized guitar beat through spacing
   
3. 00:44:631 - I hear this part with this NCs, vocals emphasize new parts, I think you should rework a little and separate them in bew patterns current nc is fine
   
4. 00:47:774 (4,5) - with this stack I really want move in opposite direction :c may be ctrl+g and restack somehow this slider? I afraid that you'll need fix next pattern because of that... whats the issue again?
   
5. 00:53:631 (7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - what about something like this pattern? current version looks better
   
6. 01:01:202 (1,2,3,4) - this might be just my own preference, because I dont like single taps xd I could ctrl+g 01:01:202 (1,2) - and ctrl+g 01:01:488 (3,4) using 1/2 sliders wouldn't represent the music very well
   
7. 02:20:202 (7,8,9,1,2) - this feels pretty uncomfotable imo when you must jump - stop - jump - stop many times, I suggest you make more jumps or move
   them closer that could feels better. Spacing like this 02:13:774 (1,2,3,4) - fits more imo i figured it'd be uncomfortable for a 5 didget. but thats not the target audience. i think it plays great
   
8. 02:31:631 (1) - why this slider looks like x2.0 SV for long guitar sound? xD would look boring if i just made it straight, same goes for next part
   
9. 02:34:345 - I hear this like just click instead of holding, put there cirecle instead? since youre not clicking the sliderend, it shouldnt be an issue
   
10. 03:32:631 (3) - reverse does not fit for this part and feels like overmapped imo, may be put there 1/1 slider too? it keeps the rhythm going. and its meant to emphasize the long guitar note. since youre not clicking the the sliderend, i think its pretty good.
    
11. 03:41:774 (3) - ^ same
    
12. 04:30:917 - I could use mostly circulation flow for whole slow part :c would be too boring
    
13. 05:30:917 (3) - hmm may be ctrl+g slider? plays good imo stacked for vocal purpose. ctrl+g sort of ruined flow
    
14. 05:44:631 (3) - ^ ^
    
15. 05:54:917 (4) - ^ ^

Pencil-kun wrote:

00:22:345 (7) - why does the stream change direction here? the type of drum changes at 00:22:202 (5) instead tbh, i never thought of that when mapping it. if i can figure out a way to maybe include that in the stream, ill do that. but for now im gonna keep it as it is.
00:43:774 (2,5,6,7) - overlap fixed
03:34:917 (1,2,3,4,5) - awkward to read n play? imo it flows pretty good

• od 9 maybe?
  
  00:12:202 (1,2,3,4) - right off the bat this pattern is pretty awkward to play, would space out 00:12:345 (2,3) - these two a bit more and that'd fix a lot of the angling issues with this jump
  00:16:774 (1,2,3,4,5) - pretty spaced out for a calm part in the song (or relatively, at least), reduce a bit? spacing is reduced later on so it kinda makes sense here too
  00:41:917 (4,5) - i get the rhythm choice but it's still pretty awkward to hit this, was expecting more emphasis
  00:46:060 (2,3) - wasn't expecting a stack here lul
  00:50:345 (1,2) - this is the only 1/1 gap you do here, maybe add a note on the red tick with a slider or smth?
  01:01:202 (1,2,3,4) - pls dont do this after a jump or ill hate u forever just make this a reduced spacing jump or something
  01:08:060 (3) - move end a bit to the left?
  01:50:916 (1) - literally the only time u nc something like this in a stream, id just move nc to 01:51:774 (2) - here
  02:32:631 (6,7,8,9,10,11) - would personally make these triples repeat sliders since they're less intensified than 02:32:202 (2,3,4) - this one, goes for the triples like this in this section
  04:27:489 (5,6) - space this out more from the previous stack and nc?
  
  personally not a fan of the stacks in last kiai but they're fine so yea

fieryrage wrote:

this sounds like disturbed to me for whatever reason when are we getting stricken on osu if i were a faster mapper id actually do that song. that solo would be so fun to map

diff

• od 9 maybe? gonna ask around to see what people think
  
  00:12:202 (1,2,3,4) - right off the bat this pattern is pretty awkward to play, would space out 00:12:345 (2,3) - these two a bit more and that'd fix a lot of the angling issues with this jump
  00:16:774 (1,2,3,4,5) - pretty spaced out for a calm part in the song (or relatively, at least), reduce a bit? spacing is reduced later on so it kinda makes sense here too
  00:41:917 (4,5) - i get the rhythm choice but it's still pretty awkward to hit this, was expecting more emphasis i think it plays well, it's not like you're losing momentum anyways
  00:46:060 (2,3) - wasn't expecting a stack here lul
  00:50:345 (1,2) - this is the only 1/1 gap you do here, maybe add a note on the red tick with a slider or smth?
  01:01:202 (1,2,3,4) - pls dont do this after a jump or ill hate u forever just make this a reduced spacing jump or something
  01:08:060 (3) - move end a bit to the left? flow is good enough
  01:50:916 (1) - literally the only time u nc something like this in a stream, id just move nc to 01:51:774 (2) - here
  02:32:631 (6,7,8,9,10,11) - would personally make these triples repeat sliders since they're less intensified than 02:32:202 (2,3,4) - this one, goes for the triples like this in this section they're all the same sound anyways, its just that 02:32:631 (6,7,8) - is played in your left ear and 02:32:917 (9,10,11) - in your right ear. idk, i can maybe consider but i think its good already
  04:27:489 (5,6) - space this out more from the previous stack and nc?
  
  personally not a fan of the stacks in last kiai but they're fine so yea yeah i did polish those stacks a bit now since people have been bugging me about it

Ranking Criteria wrote:

1. Hitsounds must have an acceptable range of delay under 5ms. Every hitsound file should start in time, preferrably at 0ms. This is to ensure that every map doesn't sound mistimed, and therefore could provide acceptably synchronized rhythm feedback to players.

drum-hitclap.wav

drum-hitfinish.wav

normal-hitfinish.wav

uhc wrote:

Found unused .wav files:
- normal-hitfinish2l.wav

Rizia wrote:

uhc wrote:

Found unused .wav files:
- normal-hitfinish2l.wav

there should be wrong naming.
call me back after checked it