is there any logic behind losing nearly 25pp after playing the sh** out of my hands the last 24 hours, just after #13, #5, #9 placements and various hidden plays (includin SS)? This seems really retarded to me
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lost a few highscores on maps you have previously played?
a map you recently played was unranked, perhaps?
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yeah it was, but it gave me no pp before and i even finished on a higher place than before because its already ranked again, so it makes absolutely no sense to me
You played newly ranked maps, a lot of people have made better scores than you in a short time period. You have gained some pp first and then lost part of it because of being beaten by certain players.
My guess.
My guess.
Yeah, but this is not a thread to post/complain how you lost your dear pp. It's calculated like that - the more people achieve same/better result as you, your pp will be going down. That's normal and obvious because the system is comparing everyone. It's more complicated than you think it is.
B-but I have gained several pps from playing maps that were ranked over a year agoiMercurial wrote:
Or maybe the most maps he/she played has been ranked 1 year ago or more.
^ this. I gained some from over 2 years ago tooValentiino wrote:
B-but I have gained several pps from playing maps that were ranked over a year agoiMercurial wrote:
Or maybe the most maps he/she played has been ranked 1 year ago or more.
And then there are times when I have played a map that's not even a year old, gained like a #20 with DT 99.**% acc and gained no pp
For example: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/123446
I gained that #20 rank 18 hours ago, and didn't get any pp from it
For example: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/123446
I gained that #20 rank 18 hours ago, and didn't get any pp from it
The age of the map doesn't matter; the age of the SCORE is what matters. And this is all listed on the wiki page: http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Performance_Points
Yeah, that got cleared out in the previous pp thread.peppy wrote:
The age of the map doesn't matter; the age of the SCORE is what matters. And this is all listed on the wiki page: http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Performance_Points
I just think the system skips several beatmaps to make the calculations more lightweight?
not sure if anyone has asked but is there any reason why scores older than 1 year old are ignored?peppy wrote:
The age of the map doesn't matter; the age of the SCORE is what matters. And this is all listed on the wiki page: http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Performance_Points
Well, it makes sense, since the system is called Performance Points. If you've done something over a year ago, that's no longer about performing. Instead, that way the system encourages you to make such old scores better. Or if you just can't improve it no longer, play new maps insteadjesse1412 wrote:
not sure if anyone has asked but is there any reason why scores older than 1 year old are ignored?peppy wrote:
The age of the map doesn't matter; the age of the SCORE is what matters. And this is all listed on the wiki page: http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Performance_Points
It is meant to keep scores fresh.
Sorry should have probably said COMPLETELY ignored. Surely an old rank 1 should still count for some points? Maybe just making points slowly deteriorate to allow higher ranks to still give a certain level of skill rather than completely ignoring them? This should be especially true for a more active user.
Just saying I get some 1sts 1 week ago and a lot of top 6 and top 3 in old maps recently and I didn't earn pp.
Rather, I lost enough PP although I did good records. I have still to understand how this ranking system works çwç
About what happened infact I'm giving less importance to this system since I earn and lose PP without a logic. o.o
Rather, I lost enough PP although I did good records. I have still to understand how this ranking system works çwç
About what happened infact I'm giving less importance to this system since I earn and lose PP without a logic. o.o
Wasn't the reason for this just explained in the last pageChewin wrote:
Just saying I get some 1sts 1 week ago and a lot of top 6 and top 3 in old maps recently and I didn't earn pp.
Rather, I lost enough PP although I did good records. I have still to understand how this ranking system works çwç
About what happened infact I'm giving less importance to this system since I earn and lose PP without a logic. o.o
What happens if Cookiezi stops playing for a year? How much pp will he have?
He probably won't have enough pp to even stay in the top 100darkmiz wrote:
What happens if Cookiezi stops playing for a year? How much pp will he have?
That's IF his scores stop giving him pp after a year.
I won't say I agree wholly with this aspect, I mean, say his chipscape HD FC? It'll stop giving pp after a year? wut the?
But the pp system as a whole is a good one, so I can take this.
But the pp system as a whole is a good one, so I can take this.
The decaying PP is probably so people like Cookiezi who retire don't stay on top forever. Regardless of how skilled a player is, they should be actively competing in the current game to keep a high rank rather than relying on old scores to keep them afloat. If a player is good enough to be top 10, they should be able to maintain it.
Cookiezi will eventually fall off the top 100 (I think peppy said before that your pp could be lowered by up to half by being inactive for a year), ensuring that active newcomers get their shot at fame, but if he ever decides to come back, he should have no problem reclaiming his old rank.
Cookiezi will eventually fall off the top 100 (I think peppy said before that your pp could be lowered by up to half by being inactive for a year), ensuring that active newcomers get their shot at fame, but if he ever decides to come back, he should have no problem reclaiming his old rank.
To add, being inactive may (or may not, depends on individual) cause your play skill to deteriorate over time.XGeneral2000 wrote:
The decaying PP is probably so people like Cookiezi who retire don't stay on top forever. Regardless of how skilled a player is, they should be actively competing in the current game to keep a high rank rather than relying on old scores to keep them afloat. If a player is good enough to be top 10, they should be able to maintain it.
Cookiezi will eventually fall off the top 100 (I think peppy said before that your pp could be lowered by up to half by being inactive for a year), ensuring that active newcomers get their shot at fame, but if he ever decides to come back, he should have no problem reclaiming his old rank.
Lost about 70 pp overnight, lol. This system is fun :3
Also, peppy, just wondering: if scores older than a year are ignored, then not playing for a year will leave you with zero pp rather then halve them, no? And another thing: If I repeat my own record, is it currently counted as new or as old one?
Also, could we keep using this thread to ask you silly stuff about pp?
I was already thinking about making something like this myself :3
Also, peppy, just wondering: if scores older than a year are ignored, then not playing for a year will leave you with zero pp rather then halve them, no? And another thing: If I repeat my own record, is it currently counted as new or as old one?
Also, could we keep using this thread to ask you silly stuff about pp?
I was already thinking about making something like this myself :3I lost like 10pp for nothing, I was doing some 1# and still getting down, I don't know how it works ...
My last 15 first places meant nothing to the pp.
My last 15 first places meant nothing to the pp.
I noticed losing an enormous amount of pp when someone steals mt first, like on the map http://osu.ppy.sh/s/16161 D: lost 10 pp after losing first place loleldnl wrote:
I lost like 10pp for nothing, I was doing some 1# and still getting down, I don't know how it works ...
My last 15 first places meant nothing to the pp.
Consider the accuracy too, i think you'll lose much more more pp if the person that took your #1 won by a huge margin (let's say 2-3%) when compared to beating you by a few 100s.
In my case, I only did SS's so ... I want an answer peppy \:D/Gon wrote:
Consider the accuracy too, i think you'll lose much more more pp if the person that took your #1 won by a huge margin (let's say 2-3%) when compared to beating you by a few 100s.
I don't know how.. but I gained 40 pp overnight.
sometimes i play a really hard (for me) map and get like 99% accuracy and i dont gain any pp, and another time i get 99% on a first try and i do get pp
Yeah, the system that calculates the difficulty of them maps doesn't seem to be quite perfect.
no pp,at all
probably because lol bad accuracy spam keyboard
Don't forget that "no pp" could actually be "lost the same amount of pp as acquired", and losses can be huge at times.
Timekiller wrote:
Don't forget that "no pp" could actually be "lost the same amount of pp as acquired", and losses can be huge at times.
So pretty much I'll be dropping 300 points next June because of scores being not counted after a year? gg ppy.
What would be really funny would be if the placements just started rearranging every day as people dropped more and more points. XDJappyBabes wrote:
So pretty much I'll be dropping 300 points next June because of scores being not counted after a year? gg ppy.
Very much true. Over 30PP for one #1 on a normal diff, about 3PP in total for over 20 #2-5s on insane diffs -sob-Mukku wrote:
Yeah, the system that calculates the difficulty of them maps doesn't seem to be quite perfect.
What I'm a bit curious about is this one thing, which most likely does not apply, but if there is a set PP amount that is distributed between where players score, or of its simply calculated and added to ones total once they play something. It would be neat to see a system that would simply have a set amount of PP per difficulty, that amount being based of the difficulty of said map and how many people have played it, whereoff how well you score the bigger the chunk of that PP total you'll get, and the more you will be taking from the people whos scores you beat.
But in all honesty, the PP system is not far from just as unfair as the previous one. Rather then skill, it seems to favor what rank you got, whereoff how how you made it work seems to be really unbalanced, and pretty much is irrelevant to actual difficulty. Don't get me wrong tho, I by far prefer it over the old rank system, but it still needs loads of work and tweaking.
what is this "pp"? I not seeing it on my profile page
then you must be visually impairedEspionage724 wrote:
what is this "pp"? I not seeing it on my profile page
It is pretty late at night :p But I was just coming back here to say I found it...boat wrote:
then you must be visually impairedEspionage724 wrote:
what is this "pp"? I not seeing it on my profile page
It's based on individual placements on individual maps. What counts as skill, if not making the highest scores on individual maps? At some point your performance has to be compared to the other players' performances.boat wrote:
Rather then skill, it seems to favor what rank you got
The major flaw in this is that not all players play all maps, which means that if you only play the top difficulty of many mapsets it will not show the difference in your skill level compared to others who only tried the lower difficulties. This essentially means that PP is very farmable, and that grinding normals/hards yields much higher PP gain than playing insanes.G0r wrote:
It's based on individual placements on individual maps. What counts as skill, if not making the highest scores on individual maps? At some point your performance has to be compared to the other players' performances.boat wrote:
Rather then skill, it seems to favor what rank you got
The system was supposed to not be farmable, and rate your skill correctly while letting you "just play normally like you always do". In reality it doesn't get correct input to rate your skill by just your normal plays, and you have to farm it to get an accurate display of it, i.e. play things you normally wouldn't want to play.
I don't understand one moment in PP system. If I'll pass two or three difficulties(hard+insane or normal+hard) of one beatmap, will I get PP for each difficulty separately or not?
Aqo wrote:
The major flaw in this is that not all players play all maps, which means that if you only play the top difficulty of many mapsets it will not show the difference in your skill level compared to others who only tried the lower difficulties. This essentially means that PP is very farmable, and that grinding normals/hards yields much higher PP gain than playing insanes.
You are wrong. And you can tell you are wrong if you read the publicly available information on the system. But go ahead and whine about it further if you have nothing better to do
.Yes, but the lower difficulties will help you a LOT less.TocoToucan wrote:
I don't understand one moment in PP system. If I'll pass two or three difficulties(hard+insane or normal+hard) of one beatmap, will I get PP for each difficulty separately or not?
I've said this in other threads, but do NOT watch your pp on an hourly or even daily basis. It is deeper than that. It is affected by not only your play habits, but everyone else that plays on maps you play. Also, map "difficulty" doesn't exist. It will change each day when global recalculations happen (at possibly random times), too.
I'm not subscribing to this thread, so do not expect further responses. But do know that there are no known flaws in the system like the ones you speak of.
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