Make Skins completely animatable

Jenny

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Jenny 2012-05-24T10:14:25+00:00

Ohai!

Well, as the title says, I'd like to see a feature in osu! that allows to animate EVERY object in skins (also, add a toggle to options to enable/disable that in your skin ofc).

Why this?

Well, on the one hand I am a giantic fan of animated stuff (yes, also for skin elements, if not overdone), on the other it gives people a lot of new possibilities in skinning - imagine a blurring, glaring and size-variating sun as a cursor or structure-shifting approachcircles; of course, many people will find this "disturbing" since the majority already deletes all BGs, skins and vids (got'ya) but for people like me and skinners in general that'd be a totally nice feature which many people would appreciate.

To keep it short: Enable animationing (as it is for healthbar, followpoints etc.) for all skin-elements and add a toggle for that to options-tab in client.

What do you people think of that idea?
Would you appreciate (and use) it?

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-Athena-

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-Athena- 2012-05-24T10:32:03+00:00

Especially since this feature isn't 100% necessary, you have my support though, I wouldn't mind if this got implemented, would freshen up skinning a bit, ~~and also cause the appearence of tons of game crashing skins~~. Anyone making a skin like this should put up a fair warning in the thread, especially since you can't just "turn things off" in skins without manually handling them.

Aoko

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Aoko 2012-05-24T10:34:26+00:00

It would make osu! more lag than usual then :<
But, support if there is toggle ofc.

Jenny

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Jenny 2012-05-24T10:34:58+00:00

It's meant to have a toggle to "disable aditional animated game objects" in options-tab of client, similar to the "enable background video"-one.

Stefan

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Stefan 2012-05-24T10:54:02+00:00

Please not.

Jenny

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Jenny 2012-05-24T11:04:41+00:00

TheNutritiousGuy wrote:
Please not.

Any reason?
Since you would be able to disable it, there'd be no force on it.

Soaprman

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Soaprman 2012-05-24T11:48:16+00:00

Not sure I'd want this forced on me in beatmaps too often but I could totally see myself using it for a personal skin sometime.

Having a separate "click" animation for the cursor would be nice too. I definitely have a motive for this one.

Stefan

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Stefan 2012-05-24T12:12:47+00:00

I was at school, so didn't had time.
So why not.. Some skins are already animated, especially something like the HP-Bar.

As example, the Higurashi Skin. HP-Bar is animated.
Also my Skin got a animated Slider follow Circle. And a animated Menu-Back Image.

So it is not really neccessary to add this because this is more or less already possible.
Some things aren't ready to animated, if I'm not wrong. But mostly is possible to animated just with Pictures.
If I talk about the wrong topic, never mind then.

Jenny

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Jenny 2012-05-24T12:13:50+00:00

Soaprman wrote:
Not sure I'd want this forced on me in beatmaps too often but I could totally see myself using it for a personal skin sometime.

Having a separate "click" animation for the cursor would be nice too. I definitely have a motive for this one.

As said, it'd have a toggle in options, so you could disable it for ALL MAPS and ALL SKINS if you want to.

TheNutritiousGuy wrote:
I was at school, so didn't had time.
So why not.. Some skins are already animated, especially something like the HP-Bar.

As example, the Higurashi Skin. HP-Bar is animated.
Also my Skin got a animated Slider follow Circle. And a animated Menu-Back Image.

So it is not really neccessary to add this because this is more or less already possible.
Some things aren't ready to animated, if I'm not wrong. But mostly is possible to animated just with Pictures.
If I talk about the wrong topic, never mind then.

Sliderfollowcircle.png, Sliderball.png, HP-bar and such are like always animated and that's totally common but what I want is the possibility of doing that for every item available in a skin.

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Stefan 2012-05-24T12:18:43+00:00

Jenny wrote:
Sliderfollowcircle.png, Sliderball.png, HP-bar and such are like always animated and that's totally common but what I want is the possibility of doing that for every item available in a skin.

These things aren't everytime animated. I don't see (as example) that the HP-Bar of the default skin is animated.

Look what does this contains

Ninja Edit: At the End some people will remove the skin anyway, because it is annoying.
I am honest about this, because I also do this in rare case.

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Dragvon 2012-05-24T12:22:02+00:00

I support menu elements to be animated. Gameplay ones are so-so because some could disrupt the gameplay itself, plus a little more stress on low-end pcs adding up with the storyboard load. Also, hitcircle do not stay for long time in screen, so animating would either use a little number of frames or barely noticeable. Approach circle is obviously a no-no.

Spinner background? Yeah. Circle? Maybe...
Pause and fail screen would be lovely too.

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theowest 2012-05-24T20:39:45+00:00

..more lag and distractions? Let's just hope nobody's ever going to use an animated skin as default in a ranked beatmap.

and I don't see how it could be applied to EVERY single skinable element. That's be awful.

The only skinable elements that I'd see work well would be combo burst, count, menu buttons, pause buttons, play skip, play warning, ranks (+ any other ranking element) and section fail/pass.

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CXu 2012-05-24T21:19:56+00:00

Shapeshifting hitcircle changing from a circle to a triangle to a square and back to a circle!
YES!

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theowest 2012-05-24T21:23:23+00:00

CXu wrote:
Shapeshifting hitcircle changing from a circle to a triangle to a square and back to a circle!
YES!

wat lol

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boat 2012-05-24T22:28:36+00:00

Soaprman wrote:
Not sure I'd want this forced on me in beatmaps too often but I could totally see myself using it for a personal skin sometime.

theowest wrote:
..more lag and distractions? Let's just hope nobody's ever going to use an animated skin as default in a ranked beatmap.

Jenny wrote:
It's meant to have a toggle to "disable aditional animated game objects" in options-tab of client, similar to the "enable background video"-one.

Conclusion? Not necessarily.

I approve of this, nonetheless.

Rena-chan

Rena-chan 2012-05-24T23:26:07+00:00

I totally approve of this !

Every skinning/mapping/storyboarding feature idea out there can (and most likely will, if implemented) be potentially abused anyway, and animating more game elements can most definitely be used in awesome ways.

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Jesss 2012-05-24T23:41:40+00:00

I freaking support this!! *¬* waiting long time for this kind of request!

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Sakura 2012-05-25T00:20:36+00:00

Rena-chan wrote:
Every skinning/mapping/storyboarding feature idea out there can (and most likely will, if implemented) be potentially abused anyway, and animating more game elements can most definitely be used in awesome ways.

We could always put some rule that prevents abuse by mappers, that way mappers would be restricted, but skinners would be free to use them for their own

Soaprman

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Soaprman 2012-05-25T00:45:39+00:00

Jenny wrote:
Soaprman wrote:
Not sure I'd want this forced on me in beatmaps too often but I could totally see myself using it for a personal skin sometime.

Having a separate "click" animation for the cursor would be nice too. I definitely have a motive for this one.
As said, it'd have a toggle in options, so you could disable it for ALL MAPS and ALL SKINS if you want to.

Actually, even though I said what I said, I don't think a toggle for this would be necessary, nor would be a rule prohibiting it. The modding process can catch any instances done in poor taste and I can just not play the few maps that slip through.

And I do have at least one per-map skin idea that would benefit from this.

Sekai

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Sekai 2012-07-02T22:17:01+00:00

o.o Jenny is full of surprises ~

and I really support this idea ~

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Miya 2012-07-04T01:54:12+00:00

Animated skin will be good. But it will cause lag in some of computer >.<
Anyway, support

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Yuzeyun 2012-07-04T02:06:24+00:00

I approve of this, if animations can be added to the other modes too it's be great ! (More Taiko-circles frames, being limited to 2 wasn't very good when I tried to make a Yin-Yang orb note in taiko mode.)

YodaSnipe

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YodaSnipe 2012-07-04T03:50:00+00:00

Sakura wrote:
Rena-chan wrote:
Every skinning/mapping/storyboarding feature idea out there can (and most likely will, if implemented) be potentially abused anyway, and animating more game elements can most definitely be used in awesome ways.
We could always put some rule that prevents abuse by mappers, that way mappers would be restricted, but skinners would be free to use them for their own

Seriously you guys do a GREAT job of preventing horrible skins, distracting BGs, wtf SBs, and -_- maps. You can totally prevent abuse for completely animatable skins. [/sarcasm]

ziin

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ziin 2012-07-04T03:56:15+00:00

YodaSnipe wrote:
Seriously you guys do a GREAT job of preventing horrible skins, distracting BGs, wtf SBs, and -_- maps. You can totally prevent abuse for completely animatable skins. [/sarcasm]

map specific skins really need to go away.

YodaSnipe

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YodaSnipe 2012-07-04T04:18:21+00:00

ziin wrote:
map specific skins really need to go away.

*waves goodbye to map specific skins*

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Sonez_old 2012-07-04T07:04:33+00:00

ziin wrote:
map specific skins really need to go away.

worst part of playing multiplayer

Winshley

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Winshley 2012-07-04T09:52:06+00:00

Animated hit lighting would be cool. Imagine the burst effect of the hit lighting after hitting notes, or seeing it in action during Kiai time with Hidden mod.

YodaSnipe

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YodaSnipe 2012-07-04T10:22:36+00:00

Winshley wrote:
Animated hit lighting would be cool. Imagine the burst effect of the hit lighting after hitting notes, or seeing it in action during Kiai time with Hidden mod.

notsureifserious

Jenny

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Jenny 2012-09-05T13:38:30+00:00

Why not spend your newly given SP?~ <3

Sekai

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Sekai 2012-09-05T14:54:00+00:00

sure :3 since i liked this ~

KyRo_old

KyRo_old 2012-09-07T16:32:01+00:00

I appreciate and support that idea.
I have a lot of stuff in my own skin I would love to animate with flashouts and stuff but since they can't get animated they'll have to stay boring.
+1

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Nikai 2012-10-25T00:24:28+00:00

Yes.

+9

RBRat3

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RBRat3 2012-10-25T00:36:57+00:00

Ermm... As much as I would love this im gonna have to say no just because whats already available thats animatable is resource heavy and a big clutter. If there was another method to make this possible than whats already being used then hell yea but as it is currently I'm afraid that no one would use it if available due to the performance hit.

Partly reason why I never distributed the animated burst elements I did.

(Plus a big influx TS posts about why osu runs like shit or why they have an error about lack of Vram)

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jemhuntr 2012-10-25T05:12:05+00:00

What do you mean by resource heavy/big clutter? Too much files on the skin folder? Too slow performance?
There's gonna be a toggle whether you would use it or not, so performance is not a problem. There could also be an option to disable the unnecessary animations to speed up the performance and at the same time keeping a few animations.

RBRat3

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RBRat3 2012-10-25T05:28:02+00:00

JeMhUnTeR wrote:
What do you mean by resource heavy/big clutter? Too much files on the skin folder? Too slow performance?
There's gonna be a toggle whether you would use it or not, so performance is not a problem. There could also be an option to disable the unnecessary animations to speed up the performance and at the same time keeping a few animations.

Its just a fat pig, Using mass amounts of pngs is not the way to go for animations in realtime sure it would be fine if it was setup the way the HP bar is at 1 frame a second. If I was in the position to to make the choice I'd have to draw the line at burst's since it really only benefits those who have the hardware to throw at it. Most users here are going to school using laptops n' such so all I see coming from it are problems.

As for the performance hit, Its frame drop and micro stutters along with the storyboard and shaders helping it... Its really only enjoyable with low end enabled with an additional 100 something megs added onto Vram. With limiters on im scraping 59 (HD 6950) so just being at that Id hate to see what it would be like with all elements the way the bursts are.

As for the clutter... You tell me.

SPOILER

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deadbeat 2012-10-25T05:33:28+00:00

RBRat3 wrote:
As for the clutter... You tell me.
SPOILER

i think have 63 .png's for one skin element is a bit overkill :p

RBRat3

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RBRat3 2012-10-25T05:39:01+00:00

deadbeat wrote:
RBRat3 wrote:
As for the clutter... You tell me.
SPOILER
i think have 63 .png's for one skin element is a bit overkill :p

Its actually 64 for a complete sequence with the bursts but since the removal of the looping this is no longer the case for necessity.

jemhuntr

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jemhuntr 2012-10-25T05:49:08+00:00

why not request for a .gif support for skins?

RBRat3

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RBRat3 2012-10-25T05:57:26+00:00

Because gif's alpha is either on or off not in-between.

Same thing with indexed png's

So it looks like this...

SPOILER

I think its great the way it is for whats already animatable and its within reason for everyones hardware. To add on its not so much as the amount of frames it's using but more of how many animated elements on the stage, I ran a 102 frame sequence on mania at 250x400 with no harm.

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qlum 2012-10-25T09:23:15+00:00

apng support on the other hand would be just fine. and actually great. It saves space over separate images.

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Drafura 2012-10-26T10:53:32+00:00

deadbeat wrote:
RBRat3 wrote:
As for the clutter... You tell me.
SPOILER
i think have 63 .png's for one skin element is a bit overkill :p

I actually use a 32 frames follow point and I don't lag at all.

SPOILER

Here is a link if you want to "bench" them on your pc http://puu.sh/1iSyV
Ofc with more animated objects the lag could appears :s

RBRat3

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RBRat3 2012-10-26T10:58:06+00:00

Drafura wrote:
I actually use a 32 frames follow point and I don't lag at all.

SPOILER

Its not a constant thing for me (note density and SB when it shows, Worse with shaders on)

To be more clear I dont lag, Its very playable it more has to do with aesthetics although I did have a few micro stutters F' me up it's just at the point where if there was anything "more" to the skin than just hits it would push over to where it just wont be playable on my card.

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Drafura 2012-10-26T11:44:49+00:00

RBRat3 wrote:
Its not a constant thing for me (note density and SB when it shows, Worse with shaders on)

That's what i was talking about in my last sentece. But my old pc lagged with a 64 animated followpoint (that's why I've reduced it to 32) so I think this isn't a point to ignore.

RBRat3

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RBRat3 2012-10-26T11:58:25+00:00

Drafura wrote:
That's what i was talking about in my last sentece. But my old pc lagged with a 64 animated followpoint (that's why I've reduced it to 32) so I think this isn't a point to ignore.

Ohh I'm sry I misunderstood you, ( Tired as hell

)

Drafura

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Drafura 2012-10-26T12:05:12+00:00

My bad i wasn't very clear with that point. Anyway i support it, well used, it could be a very nice feature.

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Kuro 2012-11-14T18:34:24+00:00

Support! I would love to see my skin completely animated! I have a new Sony Vaio I got a few months ago so something like this would be completely usable on it!

Sorry, to everyone else who has low-end PCs and won't be able to use this..