1. Collab (5 stars, 1027 notes)
2. Wmf's Taiko (4.83 stars, 1587 notes)

CDFA wrote:

Title should be "Caramell - CaramellDansen (Ryu* Remix) (Nightcore Mix)

Leorda wrote:

Hello

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00:59:820 (1) - Curve slider is better that linear slider.... I‘d like to keep it because the song has a little hard feeling to me
01:05:433 (3,4) - This likely confusing for players. When they already click (3), players are expecting that (4) is snap at blue tick. I suggest (3) is move further away from those stream I didn't meet this problem while I was testplaying, so just keep and see more suggestions
01:06:040 (1) - Unsnapped tail slider hmm?
01:26:900 (3) - Move to 01:26:748 for following vocal? er. I'm following the vocal..
01:54:586 (1) - Remove clap? ok
03:43:663 (x) - Add note here with clap. Some players are expecting 03:43:815 (1) is snap at red tick
03:54:890 (1) - Silence this spinner is better, IMO

Ganbatte!!!

Kawayi Rika wrote:

Hi ~ Star Stream ~

[Collab]

1. 02:45:863 (2,1) - Until jump here not good imo,need change spacing. I've testplayed this part, it's not as hard as the feeling it gives you via editor mode :3

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00:56:331 ~ 01:06:040
01:55:800 ~ 02:05:509
03:14:687 ~ 03:34:106
[Wmf's Taiko]
00:56:336 ~ 01:06:043
01:55:796 ~ 02:05:503
03:14:671 ~ 03:34:087

Melophobia wrote:

As requested

[General]
Kiai time in Wmf's diff isn't snaped

[Collab]
01:36:988 - add a note to follow vocal? follow percussion here
02:26:445 - too loud imo, lower volume by 10% plz it's 10% now
02:46:773 (1) - add finishok

that's all~ nice map (ﾉﾟωﾟ)ﾉ☆

ertyukjh010 wrote:

Hello,

[General]

☆ Why don't tick the Letterbox in [Wmf's Taiko] ??
☆ Inconsistency Kiai

[Collab]
00:56:331 ~ 01:06:040
01:55:800 ~ 02:05:509
03:14:687 ~ 03:34:106
[Wmf's Taiko]
00:56:336 ~ 01:06:043
01:55:796 ~ 02:05:503
03:14:671 ~ 03:34:087

[Collab]

01:05:737 (4) - [Layout] Wrong distance. I sure it can't be read. Why did you see stack as spacing error? And it can be read with Approach circle.
01:54:435 (9) - [Hitsound] Whistle? added 2

THat all

ertyukjh010 wrote:

[General]

☆ Why don't tick the Letterbox in [Wmf's Taiko] ??
☆ Inconsistency Kiai

SliderBorder : 255,241,184

1. 00:21:742 (4,5,6,7,1) - I know your point here is to make (4,6,1) and (5,7) in a straight line, but the sudden spacing change from (6) to (7) quite bugs my mind... Maybe move (6) more upward, so the spacing will be consistently accelerated over time? xD
2. 00:23:562 (1,2,3,4) - Move all one grid outward, so (4)'s spacing to your next 00:24:624 (4,5,1) will be consistent?
3. 00:27:810 (9) - (optional) Hmm, why don't you shorten this slider by 1/4 and add a note where the slider originally ends (like you did on 00:29:934 (10))? About the arrangement, I think you can just stack the 1/4 to the slider's end, and put your current (10) above the red (1) to create a small jump
4. 00:31:451 (2,3,4,5) - Due to how the vocal sounds here, I suggest to place (3,5) upward of (2,4) instead of downward (the vocal goes high there (: )
5. 00:41:312 (9) - (optional) Stack this to (8)? Fits much more to the song's atmosphere this way imo ((10) and (11) could've just turned into a symmetrical jump, though)
6. 00:42:374 (3,4) - I personally think they'll play much better here if you expand the jump's distance here:
   
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7. 00:44:801 (3) - Drag this to x:296 y:360? This way, (1,2,3) will form a straight line thus avoiding this slider being too close to (2)
8. 00:46:773 (2) - Using a bezier slider here feels kinda off because your next slider fan pattern ((3,4,5)) is linear... Perhaps a square jump would work better here? xD
   
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9. 00:52:083 (3) - First of all, the distance from (2,3) and (3,4) is not equal - plus, I personally dislike how this slider's path almost touch (2), moving the endpoint to the bottom-right won't be that hard (:
10. 00:53:297 (7) - Same as above, but to the top-left this time
11. 00:58:303 (4) - Is the clap here intentional? I personally think it's not the time to put a clap yet...
12. 01:00:427 (3) - (optional) I'd rather keep symmetry here with (1) by facing the slider to the upper-right, but this is purely optional
13. 01:03:309 (4,5,1) - I'm not really sure if this manual stacking is required... imo, (5) can just be stacked to 01:02:096 (4), the jump here will build more energy, though~
14. 01:09:681 (1,2,3,4) - (optional) For variation, extend the jump's distance like this? xD
    
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15. 01:25:003 (5,6) - It would be nice to add a whistle to these two as well, as LKs did in 01:07:861 (1,2)
16. 01:29:100 (1,2) - I don't think you have to go too linear here, you can just put (1)'s endpoint to x:48 y:271 and add a curve upward for example to get a flow here (copy-paste this to (2) if you follow this suggestion)
17. 01:34:713 (5,4) - (optional) Adding a slight curve to these two (upward for (5) and downward for (4)) won't be a bad idea imo :3
18. 01:38:354 (8) - Rotate this by 5° may emphasize the circular effect here (not really sure, though)
19. 01:49:428 (4) - Minor stuff, but here (4) is placed too close to (2) - compare with (1,3)'s distance
20. 01:50:794 (9) - Err, again it's something I'm not really certain about, but add one extra repeat to this 1/8 slider? (I already checked with 25% playback, and it seems an extra repeat is required... Not sure because it's so fast >_<)
21. 01:52:766 (10) - (optional) Try this placement? This way, (8,9) and (10,11) will form a similar jump formation:
    
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22. 01:54:586 (1) - Remove the whistle here - by now, the sound sample from the song should've been stopped, and silence should work best here
23. 01:59:593 (2,3) - Move these two one grid left (freeze your editor on 01:59:521 to get a clearer vision on this minor spacing error)
24. 02:03:082 (1,2,3) - (optional) CTRL+R all? I like how the jump from (3,4) will be :3
25. 02:05:813 (2,5,6) - Starting from this point, I think it's best to put whistle everytime the synth hits high notes - for example (2)'s start, (5), (6), and so on - this suggestion applies until the spinner
26. 02:14:763 (9) - Face this slider to the right instead? The playfield allows you to do so, plus it'll give more variation because your next (3) is already placed upward as well
27. 02:18:404 (4,5,...) - The pattern here is very random, really - I suggest something like this here: (you can CTRL+R some as well to create a star-shaped jump (: )
    
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28. 02:22:804 (5,5) - Add clap - Because it's a long stream, it doesn't mean you should stop the clapping ):
29. 02:31:603 (4) - (optional) Adding a curve to the top-right here won't be a bad idea imo because it flows well with your next (1)
30. 02:44:346 (1,2,...) - I'm quite not fond of the stream design here... I know you're aiming to let the stream's direction alters every four notes, but idk why... it just feels kinda wrong for me. Perhaps you can add a slight jump every time the stream changes its direction, like this?
    
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31. 02:51:021 (5) - Make the finish on slider's end here blends more with the music (by using ~30% volume) ?
32. 03:01:337 (1,2,3,...) - I personally feel this endless stream is kinda overmapped (the rhythm here is actually triple - double - double - double - double), but it's up to you (:
33. 03:12:260 (x) - I recommend to add a note here, so the rhythm doesn't stop in sudden
34. 03:19:239 (9) - (optional) CTRL+R this? Again, I personally feel the jump from (9) to (1) will play nice xD
35. 03:34:713 (3,4,5,6) - Arrange the stacking like this? (it will avoid overstack which will ruin the distance on play mode imo) :
    
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36. 03:43:360 (3,1) - Do you really need to put these two this close? Moving (3) downward to the distance will be normalized isn't that hard, though (:
37. 03:54:890 (1) - Hmm, I suggest to start the inherit section from 75% so you can descend in order like this : 75 -> 65 -> 55 -> 45 -> 35 -> 25 -> 15 -> 5

Niva wrote:

Hi Star Stream~

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1. 00:21:742 (4,5,6,7,1) - I know your point here is to make (4,6,1) and (5,7) in a straight line, but the sudden spacing change from (6) to (7) quite bugs my mind... Maybe move (6) more upward, so the spacing will be consistently accelerated over time? xD a little bit
2. 00:23:562 (1,2,3,4) - Move all one grid outward, so (4)'s spacing to your next 00:24:624 (4,5,1) will be consistent? ok
3. 00:27:810 (9) - (optional) Hmm, why don't you shorten this slider by 1/4 and add a note where the slider originally ends (like you did on 00:29:934 (10))? About the arrangement, I think you can just stack the 1/4 to the slider's end, and put your current (10) above the red (1) to create a small jump sry, I want a reythm contrast here
4. 00:31:451 (2,3,4,5) - Due to how the vocal sounds here, I suggest to place (3,5) upward of (2,4) instead of downward (the vocal goes high there (: ) ok
5. 00:58:303 (4) - Is the clap here intentional? I personally think it's not the time to put a clap yet... Idk, I didn't do hitsounds, deleted
6. 01:00:427 (3) - (optional) I'd rather keep symmetry here with (1) by facing the slider to the upper-right, but this is purely optional fixed
7. 01:03:309 (4,5,1) - I'm not really sure if this manual stacking is required... imo, (5) can just be stacked to 01:02:096 (4), the jump here will build more energy, though~ Don't figure your thought..
8. 01:09:681 (1,2,3,4) - (optional) For variation, extend the jump's distance like this? xD
   
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   I didn't know you're hentai mapper until an arrow took on the knee!
9. 01:38:354 (8) - Rotate this by 5° may emphasize the circular effect here (not really sure, though) keep
10. 01:49:428 (4) - Minor stuff, but here (4) is placed too close to (2) - compare with (1,3)'s distance slightly revised
11. 01:50:794 (9) - Err, again it's something I'm not really certain about, but add one extra repeat to this 1/8 slider? (I already checked with 25% playback, and it seems an extra repeat is required... Not sure because it's so fast >_<) Technically, this is a delay effect, which belongs to FX(a important piece of Mixing) :3 I guess
12. 01:52:766 (10) - (optional) Try this placement? This way, (8,9) and (10,11) will form a similar jump formation:
    
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    good idea
13. 01:54:586 (1) - Remove the whistle here - by now, the sound sample from the song should've been stopped, and silence should work best here ok
14. 01:59:593 (2,3) - Move these two one grid left (freeze your editor on 01:59:521 to get a clearer vision on this minor spacing error) x.x
15. 02:31:603 (4) - (optional) Adding a curve to the top-right here won't be a bad idea imo because it flows well with your next (1) hm, no change, I insist a linear shape to fit the red
16. 02:44:346 (1,2,...) - I'm quite not fond of the stream design here... I know you're aiming to let the stream's direction alters every four notes, but idk why... it just feels kinda wrong for me. Perhaps you can add a slight jump every time the stream changes its direction, like this?
    
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    lol, this stream is like an acute "S" so I think it plays not bad
17. 02:51:021 (5) - Make the finish on slider's end here blends more with the music (by using ~30% volume) ? k
18. 03:19:239 (9) - (optional) CTRL+R this? Again, I personally feel the jump from (9) to (1) will play nice xD yes

Wow, fun map indeed :3
Good luck getting this approved~

Star Stream wrote:

oh, god.. Niva, your modding is just awesome as always!
thanks a lot~

1. Song Setup - tags - plz remove 「kosiga」 Because the SB is simple nameSB, it does not need the addition

1. 03:36:230 (5) - one grid down ? stack with 03:35:168 (6)

I'm sure you have your reasons why you mapped to the vocals in some sections, but I'm still not a fan of it. Here's a list of my suggestions for the first minute or so (took out combo numbers since I overwrote your save and I don't remember how many notes I've added, and I've been unable to update, sorry for inconvenience):
00:17:797 - d here. Change 00:17:949 - to k. well this is a intentional break.
00:26:900 - d here. ^
00:35:851 - D here, and 00:36:154 - vocal rules here
00:36:457 - k here. ^
00:40:705 - D D D k
00:41:464 - dkdkd is closest. k
00:53:448 - use small notes I'm trying to produce a contrast between the two part of the sentences
01:04:675 - make 1/4 kdd emphasizing vocal in the end of a certain section
01:05:282 - d here. ^
01:05:737 - K yes
01:08:316 - k and 01:08:467 - d good catch

wmfchris wrote:

You know I can't help much about this map... here's just a skimming not detailed mod <_<

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Star Stream
01:24:548 (3) - [Nazi]down 1 grid lv4 to make it symmetrical
LKs:
最尾有2個加速(03:28:644 - , 03:33:044 - )我覺得這一句等音高而且一樣重的時候加速不太合適 我的部分的最后一段最后一半是SS做的 所以看他 @star stream

In overall I think it should be ready, go find some MATs lol

no kd

those wrote:

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00:25:079 (2) - Turning this into a kickback until 00:25:383 makes a great improvement on the spacing issue. As of right now you have to wait awkwardly after (2) to play (3). I understand, but I prefer follow the lead here. And this is just the beginning of the map so I don't want a big JUMP

01:37:899 (6,7,8) - Listening to the bass pattern as heard in 01:36:381 (1,2), I feel (6,7,8) should be (6,7,8,9) starting at 01:37:747, being {slider, slider, circle, clircle}, with (9) at 01:38:505. I feel at the very least, the bass-snare at 01:38:354 should be mapped like 01:40:781 (8,9). Hmm.. I want to keep this..or we can discuss

The relationship between 02:46:773 (1) and 02:50:414 (1,2,3,4,5) instead that great. It's either that the spinner is a severe undermapping of the song, or 02:50:414 (1,2,3,4,5) - isn't big enough. I don't really figure this, can you show me example?(pic)

1. The title should be "Caramelldansen (Ryu* Remix) (Nightcore Mix)".
2. What's the significance of the tags "ryutaro nakahara starmine"?
3. You may want to consider getting a background image for the Taiko.
4. I couldn't find anything wrong with the Taiko anymore, after the fixes in the last mod(s).

1. 01:15:749 (3) - No this, make here just a reverse slider should be better, this is really hard to hit while playing
2. 01:18:025 (6) - Hmm, this jump seems comes too sudden, maybe use usual spacing here?
3. 01:47:456 (1) - yay this jump is hard to catch imo, so maybe you can just put 01:47:304 (7) - between 01:47:153 (6) - and 01:47:456 (1) - ?
4. 02:46:167 (1) - ...This jump is crazy, you sure anyone who won't miss his combo here?

Breeze wrote:

sorry for late reply

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1. 01:15:749 (3) - No this, make here just a reverse slider should be better, this is really hard to hit while playing [/color]
2. 01:47:456 (1) - yay this jump is hard to catch imo, so maybe you can just put 01:47:304 (7) - between 01:47:153 (6) - and 01:47:456 (1) - ? fixed
3. 02:46:167 (1) - ...This jump is crazy, you sure anyone who won't miss his combo here? this is not that hard, the only thing is a 1/4 jump but it's very obvious. 但还是把那俩slider换了一下

That's all I guess

1. 00:45:408 (1,2,3,1,2) - This doesn't play very well due to the anti jump. To increase the playability and flow, how about moving 00:45:863 (3) - to stack under 00:45:711 (2) - and moving 00:46:470 (3) - under 00:46:318 (2) - ?
2. 01:03:006 (4,5,1) - Consider to not stack this to give more readability and better flow. In previous rythim you always spam of 1/2 rythim, and i get used with it. But when passing this point, i surprise it was 1/1 stack. I guarantee many player will be surprise to see this stack too. Doing something like this 00:55:117 (1,2,3,4) - is good idea since i can read the 1/1 very well.
3. 01:31:982 (3) - I can't read this note very well due to the spacing inconsitencies with previous and next note. How about using the same spacing of previous note (1,1x)?
4. 01:35:320 (1) - This one too is quite hard to read. How about stacking this below 01:34:713 (5) - end?

Miya wrote:

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1. 01:03:006 (4,5,1) - Consider to not stack this to give more readability and better flow. In previous rythim you always spam of 1/2 rythim, and i get used with it. But when passing this point, i surprise it was 1/1 stack. I guarantee many player will be surprise to see this stack too. Doing something like this 00:55:117 - I'm afraid no, 1/1 stack shouldn't be prevent since it needs some readability. Having the ability to deal with slowdowns is as important as high speed 1/2/1/4 imo, other than that, there is no place to arrange it like 00:55:117 -

Your mapping style is very similar. It's hard to distinguish every part if you don't put any names on this map @@. what, I focus on patterns(but regardless of distance snap) like 01:10:895 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - the second 1234 was made by copy&paste and rotating. S.S seems to be more random when mapping(but he actually map with distance snap)such as 00:39:340 (1,2,3) - and he has some different slider construction too.

1. 00:39:947 (3) - Move to x:384 y:184 to let (1,2,3,4) have more free space between each note?
2. 00:46:925 (3) - Missing clap here
3. 01:31:982 (3,4,5) - Somehow I agree with Miya here, actually this note isn't hard to read for me but it could just formed better to increase readability... An arc like this definitely plays/flows better rather than forcing (4) in the center imo:
   
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4. 02:14:763 (9) - Add whistle on the repeat also? (due to that shouting sound from the song)
5. 03:01:337 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,...) - Still, the rhythm is actually not that intense here, actually it's just triple-double-double-double, but this is the part that gives the most fun to me so I'm leaving this xD
6. 03:14:384 (7) - If you want, you can add an inherit section on 03:14:422 (to completely silent the sliderslide, it fits the song) and 03:14:536 (to reset the volume for the slider's end) xD
7. 03:52:614 (5), 03:53:222 (13) - Add clap as well to intensify the ending?

Miya wrote:

it's have 1 bubble by 1 BAT and 1 bubble by MAT so it's only need one BAT again to approve this :3

Niva wrote:

Asked jericho2442 about this and he said the bubble should be #1, so...

Bubbled~ (#1)

Sorry for any inconvenience >_<

Good luck Star Stream!
This map is so funnnnnnnn >_<

Jacob wrote:

Why do you pop over things like that? What if they disagree?

1. It was a bit hard to see the mappers' names, but I suppose you did that to avoid impairing the gameplay.
2. Both the background (on top of being very busy) and the combo colours are pretty bright. I know there is the new dimming feature but that's not a reason to be lazy. Can you make the background a bit darker ?
3. I'm not going to point them all out but most of the slider could be improved, mainly the uneven ones.

1. I personnally don't think A9 fits, but that's your choice and I can understand why you used it. But please raise the OD to 8: having OD7 on that kind of map makes it boringly easy to get a good accuracy on.
2. The spacing on this diff is horribly inconsistent. I could go full nazi and point out every single mistake, but it would be better if you looked through it by yourself. I'm not talking about jumps - I'm talking about random switches between 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 distance spacing which look awful and play weird. Yes, it is important to fix it, and no, it is not nazi.

1. The 1/1 gaps in the kiai felt extremely weird. I expected the kiai to go super fast, with 1/2 and 1/4 everywhere, and leave no break, then the parts between the kiais to less busy, so the kiai had some epic feelings to them, but these 1/1 gaps ruined this.
2. 02:46:470 (1132,1138) - extremely weird kat. I don't understand it. Usually for this kind of stream it just goes ddkkddkkddkkddkkkkkkdddddd but you add random k in the middle of the last d streak and it's surprising and confusing and frustrating.

Odaril wrote:

That's about it. This doesn't deserve to be bubbled: the collab is too inconsistent and has a lot of improvements to do.

Odaril wrote:

Okay so... you know why I'm modding this.

General

1. It was a bit hard to see the mappers' names, but I suppose you did that to avoid impairing the gameplay.
2. Both the background (on top of being very busy) and the combo colours are pretty bright. I know there is the new dimming feature but that's not a reason to be lazy. Can you make the background a bit darker ? actually it's not so hard to read the notes.
3. I'm not going to point them all out but most of the slider could be improved, mainly the uneven ones.

Collab

1. I personnally don't think A9 fits, but that's your choice and I can understand why you used it. But please raise the OD to 8: having OD7 on that kind of map makes it boringly easy to get a good accuracy on. OD8 now
2. The spacing on this diff is horribly inconsistent. I could go full nazi and point out every single mistake, but it would be better if you looked through it by yourself. I'm not talking about jumps - I'm talking about random switches between 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 distance spacing which look awful and play weird. Yes, it is important to fix it, and no, it is not nazi.

Star Stream

1. 00:37:519 (3,4) - Same as above for the circles stacked under sliderends. it's good for me. the stopping doesn't bothering me at all. so there's no reason to avoid to place on sliderend to me
2. 00:41:312 (9,10,11,1) - Why irregular jumps here ? I can kind of understand why you want a jump, but make them at least regular. Absolutely nothing in the song calls for that kind of jump here. vocal is totally stopped here, and they have kinda strong drum beat. so i jumped here. and the jump made as copy/paste with 00:41:312 (9,10) -
3. 00:41:767 (1,2) - Same issue about circles under sliderends. ^
4. 00:43:436 (6,1) - These sliders look and play weird. Why not make them more even, or symmetric if you can ? why should i make symmetry slider?
5. 00:45:408 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Why jumps here - that flow pretty badly on top of that ? no. me and pretty many tester said it's good and exciting to play
6. 00:46:622 (1,2,3,4) - Jumps, why not, even though it's absolutely inconsistent with the rest of the diff, but... once again, why irregular jumps ? Stacking (2) with (4) is a nice alternative and plays much better imo actually it's made using ctrl+r with a pattern. but yes, stacking 2 with 4 is more exciting to me, so 3 has same distance to play well now
7. 00:49:049 (1,2) - And this (for example) is why the previous jumps were inconsistent. The song is exactly the same here and 3 seconds before, and yet there were jumps before but no jump here. you know, same 'melody' doesn't mean i should use same jump or stream or pattern
8. 00:56:331 (1,2) - and 00:58:758 (1,2) - are rhythms that don't exist in the song. They are also inconsistent with 01:01:186 (1,2,3) - ... it's not my part, but i know pretty many maps have custom 3/4 rhythms
9. 01:06:040 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - and 01:08:467 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - and 01:10:895 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - What exactly justifies these jumps ? not my part as well
10. 01:17:722 (4,5,6,7) - Absolutely unespected jump. I don't even understand where it comes from. I'd understand if all four were jumps, but just one ? just a shape for the strong 5 beat.
11. 01:19:390 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Please please PLEASE make these jumps even. They look ugly right now and you could very easily improve them. i said, just a shape
    01:22:576 (4,5,6,1) - Same as above. Why only one jump ? ^
12. 01:33:954 (1,2,3,4) - Weird irregular jumps when regular jumps would have been wonderful. just a pattern, you can see the same patter from 01:35:320 (1,2,3,4) -
13. 01:55:800 (1,2) - Same rhythm - that doesn't exist anywhere in the song - as above. same as above
14. 02:00:655 (1,2) - Same. same
15. 02:04:144 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is very surprising - readable, but surprising. I also don't understand why you ruin your flow by using anti-jumps here. i don't think this anti-jump breaks the flow. also it's my taste
16. 03:06:192 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Please no. This kind of sliderstream has never been good and has always been used for gimmickly purposes, or to make a stream frustratingly easy to sliderbreak on. sliderstream is not so hard to play, unless the player play it with HR. and do you want me to make super-simple stream with circles?
17. 03:12:260 - A nooooote... this lacks a note. There is a huge flaw in the rhythm right at this point. players might need some break after long stream. also like the rhythm with clap
18. 03:39:567 (3,4,5,6) - Irregular jumps... now you looks won't allow any jump>anti-jump and just a shape or a pattern to play
19. 03:40:174 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This plays bad. The map is too fast for this kind of movement to be enjoyable, and this is actually pretty surprising: the flow was pretty straightforward so far, and you suddenly go back on your own pattern in a confusing way. it's pretty readable and enjoyable. but i'll at least NC on 03:40:781 - so that player can read them easily
20. 03:43:815 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - And after... Same as above. but it's enough easy to read and enjoyable
21. 03:51:097 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - This stream makes absolutely no sense. It feels like you only added for the sake of it, or to have some kind of "epic final" or something. no, delete the notes and listen again, there're obviously streamy drum beats

Odaril wrote:

Okay so... you know why I'm modding this. ?.?

Collab

1. The spacing on this diff is horribly inconsistent. I could go full nazi and point out every single mistake, but it would be better if you looked through it by yourself. I'm not talking about jumps - I'm talking about random switches between 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 distance spacing which look awful and play weird. Yes, it is important to fix it, and no, it is not nazi.
   I don't really agree with this. Maps are made for players and players won't check the difference of DS in the editor. As for feeling while playing it doesn't matter too. Just like why we can naturall follow a jump when the jump was set right, we can also perfectly go through the collab because the "inconsistency" is natural and friendly. And yes, a collab with similiar style(DS and so on) will be boring.

LKs

1. 00:19:770 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - At this speed, I wouldn't advice to hide circles under sliderends. The flow is pretty bad as it completely stops after a slider. I can kind of understand why you went for that kind of pattern, but I think it would be better and less confusing to do something like this: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/363221 understand your opinion. But first, by definition note7&11 are not hidden circles, ther are just notes on sliderends also ther're easy to be caught. The flow thing, I think this kind of stop-accelerate-stop mode will be fun to play so no change.
2. 00:27:810 (9,10) - Same issue, except I have no clue why you decided to stack the circle under the slider. it fits, in my opinion, and doesn't hard to play
3. 00:29:934 (10,1) - This rhythm doesn't make sense. Also, the fact that the circle is stacked under the slider - just like before - the rhythm is hard to read and the player will just assume the slider is 1/2 long and the circle is 1/2 after - except it's not. well, I think players who can play(at least pass) the map are capable to tell if this is an SV change also the slidertick&it's length even reminds more.
4. 01:47:304 (7,1) - Call me nazi but you could improve this blanket and it would look much better. fixed, I should have used 4 nodes :p
5. 01:48:215 (2,3) - This jump feels like it was only done for the sake of "aesthetics". Making (1,2) a jump is fine, makes sense, and would be much better.I kinda agree, but I have no idea how to arrange them
6. 01:50:794 (9) - This makes absolutely no sense, sounds terrible and is unreadable. Remove the 1/8. just followed the song here, I need more opinions that if this plays really bad
7. 01:54:586 (1,2,3,4) - After the irregular jumps, the irregular anti-jumps ? why irregular? what of this pattern makes it bad idk. If you're hearing the music, you can get a clear prompt that there has a slowdown in the song and no instruments actually sound
8. 02:34:637 (1,2,3,4) - The patterns before this were good. Why did you ruin the flow by changing them ? To me, good map dones't equal to always(non-stop) jumps, moving, and not even a short break. The contrast of the density of rhythm decides whether this is a good map instead. Just like the music itself, several quiet parts are in it, and make it balance.
9. 02:39:795 (4,5,3,4) - Confusing, surprising, and unexpected rhythm. Why do you insist in adding unnecessary 1/4 where they don't fit ? another thing here, do players know what rhythm they should go by only hearing or reading? playing requires both hearing and sightreading. I didn't use any kind of weird obstacles here so I don't it's hard to read and catch. As for hearing experience, I regard any hitsound as another sound track, so when I think there needs one note, I add one, just like in a composer's perspective.
10. 02:44:346 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This stream has awful flow and looks bad. Oh and 02:45:863 (2,1) - this is absolutely unacceptable: this jumps makes no sense whatsoever and only exists for the sake of difficulty. I have thought several times before you modded this. First of all Idk why a inverted "Z" would be bad on its surface, it's just a Z. second, the jump is not for difficulty and it's even not hard to play(as long as you can accept and react at AR9), so this pattern is quite easy actually. I can play perfectly with my mouse(I'm a tablet player). But also, if there are too many players complain this I will remove it.
11. 03:25:003 (5,6,7,8) - This kind of thing is unreadable, especially in this map, and plays bad. Why did you stop the movement here to add something that doesn't even feel good ? my bad, this plays bad, fixed
12. 03:25:610 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Pretty confusing. The approach circles are hard to see here, and this kind of pattern usually is made from sliders only. Players will think there is a second slider under the first one and click accordingly, but surprise ! there were two circles. Make the circles more visible ? Yes indeed, added NC
13. 03:28:644 (8,9,10,11) - Irregular jumps once again when normal jumps would have been wonderful. hm, S.S mapped the last several seconds for me for some reasons, so I don't really know his thought here. I'll throow problems to him.
14. 03:30:465 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Weird movement. I can't think of an alternative, but consider changing this.
15. 03:32:892 (2,3,4,5,1) - Irregular jumps again...

That's about it. This doesn't deserve to be bubbled: the collab is too inconsistent and has a lot of improvements to do. Not really agree, maps are for players(saying again), especially this is just a challenging for app map, as long as they can enjoy this simultaneously no unrankable issues a bubble is deserved

23:53 those: : ^doesn't even deserve the first one; you didn't even respond to my mod.

23:55 Star_Stream: : i fix the map only i want to fix. what more can i say

23:55 Odaril: : "I didn't fix because I didn't want to" is the wrong attitude

23:57 those: : You shouldn't confuse bad mapping with "mapping style".

00:05 Star_Stream: : fixed nothing? i fixed the title and the 3 things
00:05 Odaril: : Explain why you didn't fix the rest
00:06 Star_Stream: : must i do that?
00:08 Odaril: : yes
00:08 Star_Stream: : there're so many mappers who reply to moddings with 'some fixed' or 'no fixed' or ect
00:09 Odaril: : And these are wrong
00:09 Odaril: : you do have to answer to every line though

Mythol wrote:

this map is already better than 90% of the maps in this game

Frostmourne wrote:

:3
only I found and I think it will distract while playing

Collab

00:56:634 (2) - suddenly comes with 1/4 beat , from previous part , maybe player (me) can't notice in the first time, not intuative and bpm is so fast Q.Q fixed. I suggest s.s fix this as well
01:55:800 (1,2) - ^ (but for 2nd time , maybe player can recognize that it's 1/4 beat)
(I assumed this is 1/2 beat in the first time)
maybe something like this ?

SPOILER

02:34:940 (2,3) - from my personal feeling , the distance of each other is too short. , from previous run , I think people will hit (3) early and get missed I have some objections. the stack is set to help players "brake". Also it's very obvious that the approach circle is different when it's 1/1 but not 1/2 at AR9
so I will move to this position :3

SPOILER

03:32:816 (1,2,3,4,5) - it's really hard to read since this is on the almost last part (some player like me will lose intention a bit)
I know it will ruin your combo system but it helps player a lot to notice this part S.S will consider this
I suggest to remove new combo this 03:32:816 (5) - and new combo at 03:33:044 (1) -

Odaril wrote:

Rechecking. Sorry for the delay...


01:47:456 (1,2,3) - To match the music better, the jump should be on (1,2), not (2,3). This jump only looks like it exists for the sake of aesthetics, disregarding entirely the song and the flow. If anything make (1,2) a jump as well. jump exists for the sake of aesthetics has no wrong in my opinion, as long as the flow/movement is not entirely terrible.
02:39:643 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - This rhythm makes absolutely no sense. Sure, there is a triple starting at 02:40:553 - but your rhythm is just confusing, surprising, and doesn't play well. fixed the first slider but keep the second one, since there is a strong 1/4 rhythm in the song

omegaflo wrote:

Hi >:3

Sound distorsion at 03.14:460 to 03.14:536 ? o.o
the song itself sounds like this

Wmf's Taiko

(Are you really trying to follow vocals on a music like this ? o.o)

Well i know it was said before but i'll repeat it :
a HUGE part one these 1/1 microbreaks don't fit at all
i'll try to list them and point them

1. 00:26:900
2. 00:31:754
3. 00:52:083
4. 01:26:369
5. 01:28:796
6. 01:51:552
7. 02:09:605
8. 03:45:484 - This one is really weird, fix needed =x

BUT look at 0:11:046 and 01:11:350 : these are perfect ! So you can do it =D, just try to select the good ones

nope. It has a consistent logic where break doesn't exist with the vocal screams. The 1/1 break fits with the pattern after the break with the background echo.

I'm not listing the kiai one's, for a simple reason

REMOVE THEM

Seriously, kiai is supposed to be an EPIC part of the map, the most rythmic and flawless part of it, with these "blanks" you just totally ruin this moment, if you really want to put some blank, do it at the end of the chorus, just like you do actually, but not more, trying to follow vocals on this is...

kiai section in taiko diff usually represents the chrous, in most case the melodic climax is there. However, the emotional shift in the song, from normal section to kiai part is not significant (this is mostly because the lyrics have been repeated before kiai) so there's no need to make it streamer. Talking about the break and re-acceleration before the beginning of the kiai part, it's well delivered by the beginning stream in each kiai sections.


02:44:346 (1104,1105,1106,1107,1108,1109,1110, 1111,1112,1113,1114,1115,1116,1117,1118,1119,1120, 1121,1122,1123,1124,1125,1126,1127,1128,1129,1130,1131,1132,1133,1134,1135,1136,1137,1138) - HEAVY problem on 1120-1129 exactly, 9 Kats in a row here is just unreadable (Switching ddkkddkk to kkkkkkkkk, you will break fingerz and brainz) try to fix it maybe =x

no sv change, all 1/4s, I can't see how it's unreadable (I've asked quite a number of taiko players to test with), and this is a transition to ...kdddkdk .

02:47:380 (1142,1143,1144) - simple suggest, maybe change it to dkd ? three kdk in a row is a bit too much :3

In fact I don't know why people like kdk dkd kdk dkd, the vocal repeats in a simple way here and I don't see the need to change it to dkd instead of simple repetition.

I'll not mod Hitsounds, because everyone seems to do it (and only this btw ._.) so =o

Good luck =)

The 1/1 break fits with the pattern after the break with the background echo