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Wojjan
all things considered 3 is probably the worst option of those. But this is such sad panic it's probably not considerably scummy for anyone to vote over
LadySuburu

NoHItter wrote:

@LadySuburu
Why did you softclaim this early?
Because I felt like it?

Information (or lack thereof) has been the death of town in most games recently. When it's not dangerous to town for me to share it, I will share anything I know.
Wojjan
so "I have an important dangerous role" is not dangerous to town?
LadySuburu

Wojjan wrote:

so "I have an important dangerous role" is not dangerous to town?
Actually, my role is unimportant, and only dangerous if I use it. Actually, only that PART of my role is dangerous if I use it.

So no, it isn't.
Wojjan
he's magic bagging, GET HIM
LadySuburu

Wojjan wrote:

he's magic bagging, GET HIM
I always have a magic bag, aren't you used to that by now? :D
Sync

Ekaru wrote:

Sync wrote:

I wasn't shooting it down because it was meta or anything :( It was just a shit ton of meta that I have nothing to do with so I was like "~_~"
*sigh* Fine, I'll confess, since I pretty much have to at this point. Yes, what Wojjan said is true and is exactly what happened.

When I played a couple of games way back when (this was in like 2009), there were a few games where people picked horrible day 1 lynches. Therefore, playing it safe and going with "no-lynch" on D1 was not considered to be that out of the ordinary and most certainly not a sign of a scum.

However, when you informed me that this was now considered to be scum behavior I panicked. I hadn't played in years and did not know this. So, I had no idea what to say. Let's go over my options:

1. "It is?" That would just make me look like both a dumbass and a scum.

2. "I'm just being cautious." This would still make me look like a scum. Maybe not as much of a dumbass, but still a scum.

3. "I was just seeing how people would react." I went this route in an attempt to look sneaky (which failed miserably).

4. I could simply not reply. But uh, that would make me look like a scum too. Crap.

In other words, I couldn't think of anything better to say so I went with #3, which didn't end very well. But, my attempt to look cool failed miserably. However, I didn't want to admit this because I didn't want to look like a dumbass; it's too late, though. :(

You can choose not to believe me, of course, but before you do that, just ask yourself one simple question: Is it even possible to try to act this stupid?

Good day, sir. ;P
I believe you when you say you weren't aware of it because it appears you haven't played in awhile

plus you have wojjan backing you up

but it doesn't mean that much

it's still a scummy move though but it is D1

unvote
bmin11
Reading reading reading

animask wrote:

Today we can conclude, very few people here have a horrible role
I got lost on this part. Can you tell us which post or posts gave you this conclusion?


I don't agree with lynching Ekaru if the accusations are "No Lynch is scumtell" and "Your cover up sucks". No Lynch was never really a scumtell. I have never seen a mafia who suggested a No Lynch on D1 before. It was usually the (newbie) townie who suggested it. Mafia tends to sway the lynch to a town lynch as D1 is the easiest for them to do so. This is why we rarely get a mafia lynch on D1 tbh.

So ya, I'm taking Ekaru to be town actually.
bmin11
Well we now see that Sync is Wojjan's follower, huh?
DeathxShinigami
Getting that Ekaru = town feeling as well just by reading through these pages.

No foulcoon yet I noticed. General inactivity I'm assuming for him.
DeathxShinigami
Nevermind, I saw his vote on animask.
Rantai
So basically it is reasonable to conclude that is it possible that Ekaru+Wojjan is scum or NoHItter+animask are scum.

Completely based off meta I've never even heard of though. I'm going to take it with a grain of salt.
Sync

bmin11 wrote:

Well we now see that Sync is Wojjan's follower, huh?
how did you come to that conclusion?

"Good point, it makes sense."
"WOW NICE SHEEPING!! WOW!!"
Sleep Powder
unvote

bmin11 wrote:

Reading reading reading

animask wrote:

Today we can conclude, very few people here have a horrible role
I got lost on this part. Can you tell us which post or posts gave you this conclusion?
It's not a good reason, but the reason is that nobody seemed lethargic after they confirmed and posted.
bmin11
"plus you have wojjan backing you up"
Irrelevant so you might as well ignore it.
pieguyn
hey, why would you vote me off meta from PyP when these roles are random? o.o

animask, where the hell did you get that from? It doesn't really make sense, so it seems more like a RV to me. I think Ekaru is town, but if he wasn't really reaction fishing all that really does is mislead people. I'm not sure how NoHItter is mafia, it seems like he was trying to figure stuff out to me, and I'm not relying on someone else's meta right now.
pieguyn
oh wait, just checked the thread again

IMO, animask posting a lot right at the start does seem suspicious, but IIRC NoHItter wasn't really calling Ekaru out on no-lynching, just "reaction fishing" which he wasn't really doing. I don't think Wojjan is mafia though.
NoHitter

pieguy1372 wrote:

IMO, animask posting a lot right at the start does seem suspicious, but IIRC NoHItter wasn't really calling Ekaru out on no-lynching, just "reaction fishing" which he wasn't really doing. I don't think Wojjan is mafia though.
Basically this.

I voted Ekaru based on his "reaction fishing" not his "no lynching".
So Wojjan why did you misrep my statement to make it look like I was voting Ekaru because of his "no lynching"?

In fact, right now Ekaru admitted to lying about the "reaction fishing" which all the more makes it suspicious.
There should be no reason for town to lie unless it's some sort of gambit that could out scum or help town power roles (e.g. claiming as a PR so people will target you).

Yet Ekaru himself claims that he just said that lie for people to "shut up" about it.
Then he goes about saying that animask is suspicious for pointing out that what Ekaru said with the "reaction fishing" was suspicious.

I actually didn't think that his plan to no-lynch D1 warranted a vote. In fact it could have been a point of discussion.
But his "reaction fishing" was scummy, and admitting to lying about "reaction fishing" cements my suspicion further.

Wojjan wrote:

Totally ignores animask wall of text in favor of him, probably double teaming with a mafia to get noobtown on the noose.
So I totally ignored animask's text right? Well:

NoHItter wrote:

@animask
Adding a disclaimer like that is basically saying:
"I'm suspicious of someone because of X. If X doesn't make sense to you, then deal with it."
If you're trying to point out that I somehow "commented less" on animask's post though, then let me say that I found animask's post less suspicious than Ekaru's behavior. As you already said, animask always comes out as "wishy-washy scum on day one", so I treated it with less suspicion compared to Ekaru.

Salvage: Sure you can use it ;)
Wojjan
You commented on one bit of all of his wall, the ending. The disclaimer was only tangential and you know it. animask overplayed his hand on getting townie ekaru in the spotlight because he's scum and if he didn't play hard he'd end up lynched instead
Wojjan
also if anything you should unvote Ekaru if your basis was reaction fishing because 1) that was never a reaction fish and I got as much from a cursory read of his post and 2) he admitted it to not be one already. Ekaru is newtown trying not to get lynched because it's been a while and he's just trying too hard to not step on any toes.

consider that if Ekaru is scum, would he not only suggest not killing a townie day one, and admitting to a screw-up TWICE about the same thing? No scum plays that bad even on their first day after a break.
NoHitter
So basically, you're "accepting" Ekaru being suspicious because he's new, and that "newscum" wouldn't make the same mistakes as "newtown" (which Ekaru apparently is in)?

I used that playing the newbie card tactic on Mafiascum once when I was scum. Wasn't lynched and the guy who replaced me eventually won the game. That's why I generally don't consider being new as an excuse for being suspicious.

Also, the fact that he tried to cover up with a lie stating that he was "reaction fishing" is what I am suspicious of - not the actual act of "reaction fishing". He never did so in the first place.
Rantai
You know, I was more concerned about his reaction to animask. 'You suck, I'm new, therefore you suck. I'm new."

Of course 2 hours later he comes back and 'fixes it' either by his own accord or because he was recommend to by a day chat.

Pure speculation but the timing is fairly suspicious in itself.
Wojjan
I'm not accepting him being suspicious I'm saying that for newtown what he did is not suspicious.
NoHitter
What's the difference?
You're using the justification that he's "newtown" to say that what he did was suspicious.
So if he wasn't "newtown" you would find what he did suspicious?

Edit:
You're using the justification that he's "newtown" to say that what he did wasn't suspicious.
Wojjan
If he wasn't I wouldn't have lived it down this easily but some people are just idiots like that. If you want to lynch the poison doctor again like in PyP restaurant where Luna pulled EXACTLY this move, be my guest.
Rantai
Reverse meta says you are mafia for defending it!

In seriousness the content wasn't enough to move me from "eh what were you thinking?" however the chain of events after it made me perk an eyebrow (ESPECIALLY that 'fix' post)
Wojjan

Rantai wrote:

Reverse meta says you are mafia for defending it!

In seriousness the content wasn't enough to move me from "eh what were you thinking?" however the chain of events after it made me perk an eyebrow (ESPECIALLY that 'fix' post)


I lead the lynch on Luna AND I HAVE NO REGRETS ABOUT THAT and you know why BECAUSE I WAS MAFIA ALIGNED IN THAT GAME

NOTICE A PATTERN

VOTE NOHITTER HARDER
Rantai
Pfft patterns. Reverse meta is the way to go. I don't even know what reverse meta is.

Anyway I still stand by my opinion in regards to timing.
Ekaru

Rantai wrote:

In seriousness the content wasn't enough to move me from "eh what were you thinking?" however the chain of events after it made me perk an eyebrow (ESPECIALLY that 'fix' post)
I fixed it of my own accord because I realized just how damn stupid my post sounded. Anybody who realized just how stupid their post sounded would have done pretty much the same thing. ;P
Rantai
Yep I addressed that, however I can't simply rule out the use of a oh-so-common daychat that scum tend to sport these days based purely on your assurances.
Rantai
Alright going to sleep. 9:15 am and counting~!
Topic Starter
Salvage
VOTE COUNT:


animask (2) - foulcoon, Ekaru
NoHitter (2) - Mashley, Wojjan
Ekaru (1) - NoHitter
Mashley (1) - 0_o
Lilac (1) - pieguy1372
pieguy1372 (1) - Lilac


Not voting (7) - DeathxShinigami, LadySuburu, -Newbie-, Sync, bmin11, Rantai, animask




DEADLINE IS IN 17 HOURS
DeathxShinigami
Vote: animask

If he flips town then NoHItter may make a better D2 option.
Mashley
Shit I need to read the thread now
Unvote
Mashley
Yep this is all just the usual day one stuff, someone inexperienced says silly things then everyone starts arguing over it etc etc, not that this is really a bad thing but there isn't much to read into it from someone who wasn't really involved in the discussions. Sorry 'bout that, I've been kind of focusing on Celebrity Mafia more than this game. Serious playing day 2 though, I promise!
Vote Newbie because bleeeaaargh they posted once and I can't meta them... No one who's actually posted is behaving scummily so far so lynching the lurker works for me.
Topic Starter
Salvage
VOTE COUNT:


animask (3) - foulcoon, Ekaru, DeathxShinigami
Ekaru (1) - NoHitter
NoHitter (1) - Wojjan
Mashley (1) - 0_o
Lilac (1) - pieguy1372
pieguy1372 (1) - Lilac
-Newbie- (1) - Mashley


Not voting (6) -LadySuburu, -Newbie-, Sync, bmin11, Rantai, animask
Sleep Powder
Fos Mashley

That's a horrible reason to vote for Newbie. You're just voting for him because you don't want to vote off scum (which I see at least 2-3 people) RVS is obviously over and the discussion already started. You're probably too afraid to play seriously so you don't get lynched off.

@DxS You could at least add something to that because I know you're referring to someone else. Right now, I think NoHItter or Mashley could be mafia at this point. If I'm lynched, I'd go for NoHItter too.

Vote: NoHItter
bmin11
Can you explain your thoughts on NoHItter?
Mashley

animask wrote:

RVS is obviously over and the discussion already started
Like I said, everything so far has just been the usual day one stuff. It's quite clear that Ekaru is a newbie (not saying they can't be mafia of course), and none of the following discussion is especially scummy and it mostly rational, if a little sensationalist. It makes no sense to lynch people who have been genuinely contributing, as the lynch on day one is always just luck based unless a scum seriously gives themselves away.
Rantai
Right 6 hours left and not a strong suspicion at this moment outside Ekaru.

Vote: Ekaru, you're the only one that stands out at all at this moment.
NoHitter
Come on guys. We still have RVS votes on the table.
Unvote, vote and explain your reasoning.

Edit:
Mod: Perhaps an extension of 24 hours? There's a lot of people who haven't posted for more than a day's time.
Topic Starter
Salvage
I don't think so, you want activeness, generate it, 72 hours is more than enough.



DEADLINE IS IN 1 HOUR
DeathxShinigami
Before the day ends in about 14 minutes I'd like to point out that Lilac, Newbie, and foulcoon haven't done must else besides single posting within the entire Day 1.

Unvote
Mashley
So vote Newbie before an actual poster gets lynched
DeathxShinigami
Vote: -Newbie-

Sadly no strong arguments for a newbie lynch rather than a animask. More of a "Who would you rather keep post D1?" reasoning for why I'm voting on newbie.
Two_old
deadline already went and gone afaik
Rantai
Huh... pretty sure that's a NoHItter lynch if I'm looking at this right.
Topic Starter
Salvage
No, 6 minutes till deadline.
Topic Starter
Salvage
VOTE COUNT:


animask (2) - foulcoon, Ekaru
Ekaru (2) - NoHitter, Rantai
NoHitter (2) - Wojjan, animask
-Newbie- (2) - Mashley, DeathxShinigami
Mashley (1) - 0_o
Lilac (1) - pieguy1372
pieguy1372 (1) - Lilac



Not voting (4) -LadySuburu, -Newbie-, Sync, bmin11



animask - Mafia Roleblocker - Lynched D1



IT IS NOW NIGHT 1, DEADLINE IS IN 24 HOURS
Sleep Powder
My prophecy is coming true! Go Town!
Topic Starter
Salvage
NoHitter - Role Morpher (Voyeur) - Died Night 1




IT IS NOW DAY 2, WITH 13 ALIVE IT TAKES 7 TO LYNCH
DEADLINE IS IN 72 HOURS
Wojjan
I fucking told you
DeathxShinigami
Vote: -Newbie-

Doesn't seem much sense at first but animask didn't bandwagon on -Newbie- pretty much just ignoring him the entire D1.
Wojjan
wrong about NoHItter but I fucking told you regardless. raises the question how many other scum took a chance with the Ekaru bw? I'm gonna assume that in a 15-man setup there's 4 mafia, no third parties because that ain't Salvage's swag.
Wojjan
DxS that makes a surprising amount of sense but I actually would rather consider the people who DID misdirect from animask lynch to newbie lynch. Newbie was a lurker, stand pat while I look up who answered no to the lynching lurkers idea
Wojjan
I really don't like Mashley's ISO atm. Enough to warrant a vote for the newbie bw alone but put that randavote response in with it and mix it with a FEEL and LUCKY GUESSING I'm willing to lynch him bad.

ALSO: animask's prophecy FYI is probably just him getting lynched D1. Not reading more into that.
Rantai
Heh I knew Hitter was town (judging by his play). But with animask's flip everything I thought has been completely thrown off. Hrm.

Also sleep time~
Wojjan

Rantai wrote:

The omgus is strong in that one.
LAST TIME Rantai suspected someone off of omgus he was mafia.
0_o
Sorry for being lazy, was busy with other stuff. I'll try to stay on top of things now.

Anyway, anyone else feel like we should be looking at the inactives here? animask was lynched with 2 votes, it would have been easy as anything to push the vote onto someone else. I'm thinking the only way that could happen is if the mafia wasn't aware of the situation. Either that or they were afraid of looking scummy, but it's not like animask was the general consensus for the lynch here.

And yes I realize I'm being extremely hypocritical, but nonetheless my point still stands.
Wojjan
well
they were trying weren't they?
If they pushed the lynch on someone else active they'd need a good argument else they're just baselessly protecting a scumpartner which puts them in the limelight. Lynches on me or NoHItter, both being town, would just make people suspect animask more which is why they pushed on -Newbie- in order to not step on anything.
0_o

Wojjan wrote:

well
they were trying weren't they?
If Newbie was town, another mafioso could have easily put another vote on him and I'm pretty sure no one would bat an eye. Maybe I didn't read thoroughly enough, but I don't think there was enough suspicion on animask that saving him would warrant much suspicion.
Wojjan
The newbie lynch started like two hours away from deadline so it's probably just people not being online. And there was enough going on that day that after all the discussion a lynch on newbie would've made me bat an eye at least.
Wojjan
I mean I would've understood more of they lynched me than newbie
NoHitter
... And I thought I wouldn't die.
Also, is there any possibility of having a Dead Chat?
Topic Starter
Salvage
Yes, creating it in a few minutes.
Ekaru
Mod: Prod -Newbie-, please. He hasn't posted in like forever. I want him to have a chance to explain himself before I agree with DxS and vote for him.
Topic Starter
Salvage
Proded pieguy and Newbie, if they do not respond in 10 hours i'll replace them.
foulcoon
Vote: Mashley

lets get mafia #2
foulcoon

Mashley wrote:

animask wrote:

RVS is obviously over and the discussion already started
Like I said, everything so far has just been the usual day one stuff. It's quite clear that Ekaru is a newbie (not saying they can't be mafia of course), and none of the following discussion is especially scummy and it mostly rational, if a little sensationalist. It makes no sense to lynch people who have been genuinely contributing, as the lynch on day one is always just luck based unless a scum seriously gives themselves away.

Mashley wrote:

So vote Newbie before an actual poster gets lynched

if you wanted my reasoning
Sync
oh my god I was sleeping when the day ended but lynching mafia D1 was badass as fuck

also, a newbie lynch is stupid. he's only posted 3 times and people who are rushing a newbie lynch are scummier than the grease that allocates under an unwashed mcdonald's deep fryer

*BAM*
Rantai
Wow, nice description there.

foulcoon actually has a pretty solid point. After pointing it out I can see how badly Mashley was deflecting into a lurker. Huh.
Sync
thanks~

also can't tell if foulcoon has, for the first time (in a game we were both in), voted for somebody with reason before he was asked

he was mafia in most of those games

probably town or just fucking with my head

</meta>
Mashley
It's not as if animask's lynch was a genuine consensus at the deadline; he had two votes on him for crying out loud. It simply came down to people not being active enough at the end of the day to actually discuss and form a consensus on who the most suitable lynch would be. I tried to start discussion, of course in the end animask flipped scum so it was a good lynch but it could have gone very badly.
Wojjan
Vote: Mashley

you jus mad cause I called scum D1
Ekaru

Mashley wrote:

he had two votes on him for crying out loud.
...You're conveniently ignoring the fact that when you voted for Newbie animask had 3 votes on him, not 2; in other words, animask had an extremely high chance of getting lynched at that point in time unless you managed to get votes off of animask. The 3 people who were voting on animask at that time clearly weren't going to go for Ekaru or NoHItter, so you had to bring up somebody else instead. Who else to go for than a lurker?

Combine this oh-so-convenient overlook with what foulcoon and Wojjan have already said and I'm definitely going with...

vote: Mashley
Ekaru
*Yes, I know you said 2 votes at the deadline, but what I mean is that you're ignoring what the votes were at the time you voted in favor of the more-favorable-for-you deadline votes.
Mashley

Ekaru wrote:

...You're conveniently ignoring the fact that when you voted for Newbie animask had 3 votes on him, not 2
Your point is? That still leaves a huge number who hadn't voted or discussed who we should lynch at at all. In a 15 person game 3 votes is nothing. There was little to no genuine suspicion about animask as far as I know, and those were just the typical votes that animask gets when he posts his usual gibberish so it was actually quite a shock when he actually flipped town. At that point, as always Day 1 there were no strong arguments for lynching anyone, so the best policy had to be lynching a lurker. I mean look at the final vote count, there were three other people with the same number of votes as animask, he only actually got lynched because of when the votes were cast.
Of course I'm not saying we shouldn't have lynched animask but you have to look back to Day One and think, was there ever sufficient reasoning to lynch animask? No, of course not. We got lucky.
Wojjan
Have you read Day one? I had superfluous reason to suspect both animask and nohitter.
Mashley
I-I skimmed it D:
Wojjan
well then read it for real, you were there for the most part so it only confuses me more why you wouldn't make a case on what had happened so far and lynch newbie instead
foulcoon
yeah Sync, I'm obviously mafia and fucking with you, which is why I left my vote on a mafia member instead of easily saving them by unvoting.

don't worry mashley, if you flip town we'll lynch DxS.

also Wojjan don't take credit for something I called a mile away okay. you didnt even vote for him!

p.s. Thanks whoever voted with me (ekaru i think).
DeathxShinigami
Nope.

Roleclaim: Motivator

I motivated Ekaru N1. Carry on now.
Wojjan

foulcoon wrote:

yeah Sync, I'm obviously mafia and fucking with you, which is why I left my vote on a mafia member instead of easily saving them by unvoting.

don't worry mashley, if you flip town we'll lynch DxS.

also Wojjan don't take credit for something I called a mile away okay. you didnt even vote for him!

p.s. Thanks whoever voted with me (ekaru i think).
huh, turns out you did call it

alright let foulcoon lead town
LadySuburu
I'm leaning mash too, but that's mostly a gut thing.
Wojjan


promise me mashley's head
DeathxShinigami
Unvote
Ekaru

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Nope.

Roleclaim: Motivator

I motivated Ekaru N1. Carry on now.
For the record, I got no notification that I was motivated. You guys can take that as you will.
foulcoon

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Nope.

Roleclaim: Motivator

I motivated Ekaru N1. Carry on now.
more like mafia motivator who last minute vote changed in an effort to not lynch their mafia buddy
Topic Starter
Salvage
JInxyjem replaces -Newbie-


Ivalset replaces pieguy1372
Jinxy
Yo

I won't be able to read nor post until.a few.hours, I still have.classes

those dots are.typos ignore them
Ivalset
Evening folks.

Going to reread the thread, etc.
Sync
hi
Jinxy
From what I can see right now, DxS is suspicious to me. He was also voting for Newbie over animask in Day 1, with a pretty weak reason too.

Then he was suggested as a lynch by foul and claimed right there and then, as a motivator who targeted Ekaru. Ekaru's reply:

Ekaru wrote:

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Nope.

Roleclaim: Motivator

I motivated Ekaru N1. Carry on now.
For the record, I got no notification that I was motivated. You guys can take that as you will.
However, the only thing that doesn't go well with my suspicions is that DxS could have made much better claims than one that's easily refuted. Possibly roleblocked?

But then again, this is the man who claimed Innocent Child in Celebrity, so I dunno
Ekaru
Okay, I got the motivation notification overnight. Salvage just missed it the first time, apparently. XP
Jinxy
...k.
Topic Starter
Salvage
DAY EXTENDED BY 12 HOURS
Jinxy
Around 42 more hours
Ivalset

Rantai wrote:

Huh... pretty sure that's a NoHItter lynch if I'm looking at this right.
This line stands out to me pretty heavily. It seems like at the last minute of day 1, there was a fair amount of vote shuffling in a misguided attempt to avoid lynching animask via tied votes. DxS brought animask's votes to 3, then animask pushed NoHItter up to 2, then DxS unvotes and votes for Newbie instead, possibly hoping that animask going from 3 -> 2 would put him behind NoHItter in the lynch line.

For this reasoning I find all of Mashley, DxS and Rantai to be suspicious in different degrees.

Mashley for clearly attempting to save animask by persuading people to vote for a lurker instead.
DxS for his actions - pushing animask above 2 then back down to 2.
and Rantai for misreading the tied vote rules and bringing attention to the vote changes.

I'm quite comfortable with a Mashley lynch right now, so Vote: Mashley
foulcoon

Ivalset wrote:

Rantai wrote:

Huh... pretty sure that's a NoHItter lynch if I'm looking at this right.
This line stands out to me pretty heavily. It seems like at the last minute of day 1, there was a fair amount of vote shuffling in a misguided attempt to avoid lynching animask via tied votes. DxS brought animask's votes to 3, then animask pushed NoHItter up to 2, then DxS unvotes and votes for Newbie instead, possibly hoping that animask going from 3 -> 2 would put him behind NoHItter in the lynch line.

For this reasoning I find all of Mashley, DxS and Rantai to be suspicious in different degrees.

Mashley for clearly attempting to save animask by persuading people to vote for a lurker instead.
DxS for his actions - pushing animask above 2 then back down to 2.
and Rantai for misreading the tied vote rules and bringing attention to the vote changes.

I'm quite comfortable with a Mashley lynch right now, so Vote: Mashley
well to be fair, even though DxS looks scummy, if it weren't for his vote + unvote animask wouldnt have been lynched...
Ivalset
Pretty sure he still would have. Animask was at 2 votes and at the top of the lynch list before dxs voted and unvoted.
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