"plus you have wojjan backing you up"
Irrelevant so you might as well ignore it.
Irrelevant so you might as well ignore it.
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hey, why would you vote me off meta from PyP when these roles are random? o.o
animask, where the hell did you get that from? It doesn't really make sense, so it seems more like a RV to me. I think Ekaru is town, but if he wasn't really reaction fishing all that really does is mislead people. I'm not sure how NoHItter is mafia, it seems like he was trying to figure stuff out to me, and I'm not relying on someone else's meta right now.
animask, where the hell did you get that from? It doesn't really make sense, so it seems more like a RV to me. I think Ekaru is town, but if he wasn't really reaction fishing all that really does is mislead people. I'm not sure how NoHItter is mafia, it seems like he was trying to figure stuff out to me, and I'm not relying on someone else's meta right now.
oh wait, just checked the thread again
IMO, animask posting a lot right at the start does seem suspicious, but IIRC NoHItter wasn't really calling Ekaru out on no-lynching, just "reaction fishing" which he wasn't really doing. I don't think Wojjan is mafia though.
IMO, animask posting a lot right at the start does seem suspicious, but IIRC NoHItter wasn't really calling Ekaru out on no-lynching, just "reaction fishing" which he wasn't really doing. I don't think Wojjan is mafia though.
Basically this.pieguy1372 wrote:
IMO, animask posting a lot right at the start does seem suspicious, but IIRC NoHItter wasn't really calling Ekaru out on no-lynching, just "reaction fishing" which he wasn't really doing. I don't think Wojjan is mafia though.
I voted Ekaru based on his "reaction fishing" not his "no lynching".
So Wojjan why did you misrep my statement to make it look like I was voting Ekaru because of his "no lynching"?
In fact, right now Ekaru admitted to lying about the "reaction fishing" which all the more makes it suspicious.
There should be no reason for town to lie unless it's some sort of gambit that could out scum or help town power roles (e.g. claiming as a PR so people will target you).
Yet Ekaru himself claims that he just said that lie for people to "shut up" about it.
Then he goes about saying that animask is suspicious for pointing out that what Ekaru said with the "reaction fishing" was suspicious.
I actually didn't think that his plan to no-lynch D1 warranted a vote. In fact it could have been a point of discussion.
But his "reaction fishing" was scummy, and admitting to lying about "reaction fishing" cements my suspicion further.
So I totally ignored animask's text right? Well:Wojjan wrote:
Totally ignores animask wall of text in favor of him, probably double teaming with a mafia to get noobtown on the noose.
If you're trying to point out that I somehow "commented less" on animask's post though, then let me say that I found animask's post less suspicious than Ekaru's behavior. As you already said, animask always comes out as "wishy-washy scum on day one", so I treated it with less suspicion compared to Ekaru.NoHItter wrote:
@animask
Adding a disclaimer like that is basically saying:
"I'm suspicious of someone because of X. If X doesn't make sense to you, then deal with it."
Salvage: Sure you can use it
You commented on one bit of all of his wall, the ending. The disclaimer was only tangential and you know it. animask overplayed his hand on getting townie ekaru in the spotlight because he's scum and if he didn't play hard he'd end up lynched instead
also if anything you should unvote Ekaru if your basis was reaction fishing because 1) that was never a reaction fish and I got as much from a cursory read of his post and 2) he admitted it to not be one already. Ekaru is newtown trying not to get lynched because it's been a while and he's just trying too hard to not step on any toes.
consider that if Ekaru is scum, would he not only suggest not killing a townie day one, and admitting to a screw-up TWICE about the same thing? No scum plays that bad even on their first day after a break.
consider that if Ekaru is scum, would he not only suggest not killing a townie day one, and admitting to a screw-up TWICE about the same thing? No scum plays that bad even on their first day after a break.
So basically, you're "accepting" Ekaru being suspicious because he's new, and that "newscum" wouldn't make the same mistakes as "newtown" (which Ekaru apparently is in)?
I used that playing the newbie card tactic on Mafiascum once when I was scum. Wasn't lynched and the guy who replaced me eventually won the game. That's why I generally don't consider being new as an excuse for being suspicious.
Also, the fact that he tried to cover up with a lie stating that he was "reaction fishing" is what I am suspicious of - not the actual act of "reaction fishing". He never did so in the first place.
I used that playing the newbie card tactic on Mafiascum once when I was scum. Wasn't lynched and the guy who replaced me eventually won the game. That's why I generally don't consider being new as an excuse for being suspicious.
Also, the fact that he tried to cover up with a lie stating that he was "reaction fishing" is what I am suspicious of - not the actual act of "reaction fishing". He never did so in the first place.
You know, I was more concerned about his reaction to animask. 'You suck, I'm new, therefore you suck. I'm new."
Of course 2 hours later he comes back and 'fixes it' either by his own accord or because he was recommend to by a day chat.
Pure speculation but the timing is fairly suspicious in itself.
Of course 2 hours later he comes back and 'fixes it' either by his own accord or because he was recommend to by a day chat.
Pure speculation but the timing is fairly suspicious in itself.
I'm not accepting him being suspicious I'm saying that for newtown what he did is not suspicious.
What's the difference?
You're using the justification that he's "newtown" to say that what he did was suspicious.
So if he wasn't "newtown" you would find what he did suspicious?
Edit:
You're using the justification that he's "newtown" to say that what he did wasn't suspicious.
You're using the justification that he's "newtown" to say that what he did was suspicious.
So if he wasn't "newtown" you would find what he did suspicious?
Edit:
You're using the justification that he's "newtown" to say that what he did wasn't suspicious.
If he wasn't I wouldn't have lived it down this easily but some people are just idiots like that. If you want to lynch the poison doctor again like in PyP restaurant where Luna pulled EXACTLY this move, be my guest.
Reverse meta says you are mafia for defending it!
In seriousness the content wasn't enough to move me from "eh what were you thinking?" however the chain of events after it made me perk an eyebrow (ESPECIALLY that 'fix' post)
In seriousness the content wasn't enough to move me from "eh what were you thinking?" however the chain of events after it made me perk an eyebrow (ESPECIALLY that 'fix' post)
Rantai wrote:
Reverse meta says you are mafia for defending it!
In seriousness the content wasn't enough to move me from "eh what were you thinking?" however the chain of events after it made me perk an eyebrow (ESPECIALLY that 'fix' post)
I lead the lynch on Luna AND I HAVE NO REGRETS ABOUT THAT and you know why BECAUSE I WAS MAFIA ALIGNED IN THAT GAME
NOTICE A PATTERN
VOTE NOHITTER HARDER
Pfft patterns. Reverse meta is the way to go. I don't even know what reverse meta is.
Anyway I still stand by my opinion in regards to timing.
Anyway I still stand by my opinion in regards to timing.
I fixed it of my own accord because I realized just how damn stupid my post sounded. Anybody who realized just how stupid their post sounded would have done pretty much the same thing. ;PRantai wrote:
In seriousness the content wasn't enough to move me from "eh what were you thinking?" however the chain of events after it made me perk an eyebrow (ESPECIALLY that 'fix' post)
Yep I addressed that, however I can't simply rule out the use of a oh-so-common daychat that scum tend to sport these days based purely on your assurances.
Alright going to sleep. 9:15 am and counting~!
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT:
animask (2) - foulcoon, Ekaru
NoHitter (2) - Mashley, Wojjan
Ekaru (1) - NoHitter
Mashley (1) - 0_o
Lilac (1) - pieguy1372
pieguy1372 (1) - Lilac
Not voting (7) - DeathxShinigami, LadySuburu, -Newbie-, Sync, bmin11, Rantai, animask
DEADLINE IS IN 17 HOURS
animask (2) - foulcoon, Ekaru
NoHitter (2) - Mashley, Wojjan
Ekaru (1) - NoHitter
Mashley (1) - 0_o
Lilac (1) - pieguy1372
pieguy1372 (1) - Lilac
Not voting (7) - DeathxShinigami, LadySuburu, -Newbie-, Sync, bmin11, Rantai, animask
DEADLINE IS IN 17 HOURS
Vote: animask
If he flips town then NoHItter may make a better D2 option.
If he flips town then NoHItter may make a better D2 option.
Shit I need to read the thread now
Unvote
Unvote
Yep this is all just the usual day one stuff, someone inexperienced says silly things then everyone starts arguing over it etc etc, not that this is really a bad thing but there isn't much to read into it from someone who wasn't really involved in the discussions. Sorry 'bout that, I've been kind of focusing on Celebrity Mafia more than this game. Serious playing day 2 though, I promise!
Vote Newbie because bleeeaaargh they posted once and I can't meta them... No one who's actually posted is behaving scummily so far so lynching the lurker works for me.
Vote Newbie because bleeeaaargh they posted once and I can't meta them... No one who's actually posted is behaving scummily so far so lynching the lurker works for me.
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT:
animask (3) - foulcoon, Ekaru, DeathxShinigami
Ekaru (1) - NoHitter
NoHitter (1) - Wojjan
Mashley (1) - 0_o
Lilac (1) - pieguy1372
pieguy1372 (1) - Lilac
-Newbie- (1) - Mashley
Not voting (6) -LadySuburu, -Newbie-, Sync, bmin11, Rantai, animask
animask (3) - foulcoon, Ekaru, DeathxShinigami
Ekaru (1) - NoHitter
NoHitter (1) - Wojjan
Mashley (1) - 0_o
Lilac (1) - pieguy1372
pieguy1372 (1) - Lilac
-Newbie- (1) - Mashley
Not voting (6) -LadySuburu, -Newbie-, Sync, bmin11, Rantai, animask
Fos Mashley
That's a horrible reason to vote for Newbie. You're just voting for him because you don't want to vote off scum (which I see at least 2-3 people) RVS is obviously over and the discussion already started. You're probably too afraid to play seriously so you don't get lynched off.
@DxS You could at least add something to that because I know you're referring to someone else. Right now, I think NoHItter or Mashley could be mafia at this point. If I'm lynched, I'd go for NoHItter too.
Vote: NoHItter
That's a horrible reason to vote for Newbie. You're just voting for him because you don't want to vote off scum (which I see at least 2-3 people) RVS is obviously over and the discussion already started. You're probably too afraid to play seriously so you don't get lynched off.
@DxS You could at least add something to that because I know you're referring to someone else. Right now, I think NoHItter or Mashley could be mafia at this point. If I'm lynched, I'd go for NoHItter too.
Vote: NoHItter
Can you explain your thoughts on NoHItter?
Like I said, everything so far has just been the usual day one stuff. It's quite clear that Ekaru is a newbie (not saying they can't be mafia of course), and none of the following discussion is especially scummy and it mostly rational, if a little sensationalist. It makes no sense to lynch people who have been genuinely contributing, as the lynch on day one is always just luck based unless a scum seriously gives themselves away.animask wrote:
RVS is obviously over and the discussion already started
Right 6 hours left and not a strong suspicion at this moment outside Ekaru.
Vote: Ekaru, you're the only one that stands out at all at this moment.
Vote: Ekaru, you're the only one that stands out at all at this moment.
Come on guys. We still have RVS votes on the table.
Unvote, vote and explain your reasoning.
Edit:
Mod: Perhaps an extension of 24 hours? There's a lot of people who haven't posted for more than a day's time.
Unvote, vote and explain your reasoning.
Edit:
Mod: Perhaps an extension of 24 hours? There's a lot of people who haven't posted for more than a day's time.
Topic Starter
I don't think so, you want activeness, generate it, 72 hours is more than enough.
DEADLINE IS IN 1 HOUR
DEADLINE IS IN 1 HOUR
Before the day ends in about 14 minutes I'd like to point out that Lilac, Newbie, and foulcoon haven't done must else besides single posting within the entire Day 1.
Unvote
Unvote
So vote Newbie before an actual poster gets lynched
Vote: -Newbie-
Sadly no strong arguments for a newbie lynch rather than a animask. More of a "Who would you rather keep post D1?" reasoning for why I'm voting on newbie.
Sadly no strong arguments for a newbie lynch rather than a animask. More of a "Who would you rather keep post D1?" reasoning for why I'm voting on newbie.
Huh... pretty sure that's a NoHItter lynch if I'm looking at this right.
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT:
animask (2) - foulcoon, Ekaru
Ekaru (2) - NoHitter, Rantai
NoHitter (2) - Wojjan, animask
-Newbie- (2) - Mashley, DeathxShinigami
Mashley (1) - 0_o
Lilac (1) - pieguy1372
pieguy1372 (1) - Lilac
Not voting (4) -LadySuburu, -Newbie-, Sync, bmin11
animask - Mafia Roleblocker - Lynched D1
IT IS NOW NIGHT 1, DEADLINE IS IN 24 HOURS
animask (2) - foulcoon, Ekaru
Ekaru (2) - NoHitter, Rantai
NoHitter (2) - Wojjan, animask
-Newbie- (2) - Mashley, DeathxShinigami
Mashley (1) - 0_o
Lilac (1) - pieguy1372
pieguy1372 (1) - Lilac
Not voting (4) -LadySuburu, -Newbie-, Sync, bmin11
animask - Mafia Roleblocker - Lynched D1
IT IS NOW NIGHT 1, DEADLINE IS IN 24 HOURS
My prophecy is coming true! Go Town!
Topic Starter
NoHitter - Role Morpher (Voyeur) - Died Night 1
IT IS NOW DAY 2, WITH 13 ALIVE IT TAKES 7 TO LYNCH
DEADLINE IS IN 72 HOURS
IT IS NOW DAY 2, WITH 13 ALIVE IT TAKES 7 TO LYNCH
DEADLINE IS IN 72 HOURS
Vote: -Newbie-
Doesn't seem much sense at first but animask didn't bandwagon on -Newbie- pretty much just ignoring him the entire D1.
Doesn't seem much sense at first but animask didn't bandwagon on -Newbie- pretty much just ignoring him the entire D1.
wrong about NoHItter but I fucking told you regardless. raises the question how many other scum took a chance with the Ekaru bw? I'm gonna assume that in a 15-man setup there's 4 mafia, no third parties because that ain't Salvage's swag.
DxS that makes a surprising amount of sense but I actually would rather consider the people who DID misdirect from animask lynch to newbie lynch. Newbie was a lurker, stand pat while I look up who answered no to the lynching lurkers idea
I really don't like Mashley's ISO atm. Enough to warrant a vote for the newbie bw alone but put that randavote response in with it and mix it with a FEEL and LUCKY GUESSING I'm willing to lynch him bad.
ALSO: animask's prophecy FYI is probably just him getting lynched D1. Not reading more into that.
ALSO: animask's prophecy FYI is probably just him getting lynched D1. Not reading more into that.
Heh I knew Hitter was town (judging by his play). But with animask's flip everything I thought has been completely thrown off. Hrm.
Also sleep time~
Also sleep time~
Sorry for being lazy, was busy with other stuff. I'll try to stay on top of things now.
Anyway, anyone else feel like we should be looking at the inactives here? animask was lynched with 2 votes, it would have been easy as anything to push the vote onto someone else. I'm thinking the only way that could happen is if the mafia wasn't aware of the situation. Either that or they were afraid of looking scummy, but it's not like animask was the general consensus for the lynch here.
And yes I realize I'm being extremely hypocritical, but nonetheless my point still stands.
Anyway, anyone else feel like we should be looking at the inactives here? animask was lynched with 2 votes, it would have been easy as anything to push the vote onto someone else. I'm thinking the only way that could happen is if the mafia wasn't aware of the situation. Either that or they were afraid of looking scummy, but it's not like animask was the general consensus for the lynch here.
And yes I realize I'm being extremely hypocritical, but nonetheless my point still stands.
well
they were trying weren't they?
If they pushed the lynch on someone else active they'd need a good argument else they're just baselessly protecting a scumpartner which puts them in the limelight. Lynches on me or NoHItter, both being town, would just make people suspect animask more which is why they pushed on -Newbie- in order to not step on anything.
they were trying weren't they?
If they pushed the lynch on someone else active they'd need a good argument else they're just baselessly protecting a scumpartner which puts them in the limelight. Lynches on me or NoHItter, both being town, would just make people suspect animask more which is why they pushed on -Newbie- in order to not step on anything.
If Newbie was town, another mafioso could have easily put another vote on him and I'm pretty sure no one would bat an eye. Maybe I didn't read thoroughly enough, but I don't think there was enough suspicion on animask that saving him would warrant much suspicion.Wojjan wrote:
well
they were trying weren't they?
The newbie lynch started like two hours away from deadline so it's probably just people not being online. And there was enough going on that day that after all the discussion a lynch on newbie would've made me bat an eye at least.
I mean I would've understood more of they lynched me than newbie
... And I thought I wouldn't die.
Also, is there any possibility of having a Dead Chat?
Also, is there any possibility of having a Dead Chat?
Mod: Prod -Newbie-, please. He hasn't posted in like forever. I want him to have a chance to explain himself before I agree with DxS and vote for him.
Topic Starter
Proded pieguy and Newbie, if they do not respond in 10 hours i'll replace them.
Vote: Mashley
lets get mafia #2
lets get mafia #2
Mashley wrote:
Like I said, everything so far has just been the usual day one stuff. It's quite clear that Ekaru is a newbie (not saying they can't be mafia of course), and none of the following discussion is especially scummy and it mostly rational, if a little sensationalist. It makes no sense to lynch people who have been genuinely contributing, as the lynch on day one is always just luck based unless a scum seriously gives themselves away.animask wrote:
RVS is obviously over and the discussion already started
Mashley wrote:
So vote Newbie before an actual poster gets lynched
if you wanted my reasoning
oh my god I was sleeping when the day ended but lynching mafia D1 was badass as fuck
also, a newbie lynch is stupid. he's only posted 3 times and people who are rushing a newbie lynch are scummier than the grease that allocates under an unwashed mcdonald's deep fryer
*BAM*
also, a newbie lynch is stupid. he's only posted 3 times and people who are rushing a newbie lynch are scummier than the grease that allocates under an unwashed mcdonald's deep fryer
*BAM*
Wow, nice description there.
foulcoon actually has a pretty solid point. After pointing it out I can see how badly Mashley was deflecting into a lurker. Huh.
foulcoon actually has a pretty solid point. After pointing it out I can see how badly Mashley was deflecting into a lurker. Huh.
thanks~
also can't tell if foulcoon has, for the first time (in a game we were both in), voted for somebody with reason before he was asked
he was mafia in most of those games
probably town or just fucking with my head
</meta>
also can't tell if foulcoon has, for the first time (in a game we were both in), voted for somebody with reason before he was asked
he was mafia in most of those games
probably town or just fucking with my head
</meta>
It's not as if animask's lynch was a genuine consensus at the deadline; he had two votes on him for crying out loud. It simply came down to people not being active enough at the end of the day to actually discuss and form a consensus on who the most suitable lynch would be. I tried to start discussion, of course in the end animask flipped scum so it was a good lynch but it could have gone very badly.
...You're conveniently ignoring the fact that when you voted for Newbie animask had 3 votes on him, not 2; in other words, animask had an extremely high chance of getting lynched at that point in time unless you managed to get votes off of animask. The 3 people who were voting on animask at that time clearly weren't going to go for Ekaru or NoHItter, so you had to bring up somebody else instead. Who else to go for than a lurker?Mashley wrote:
he had two votes on him for crying out loud.
Combine this oh-so-convenient overlook with what foulcoon and Wojjan have already said and I'm definitely going with...
vote: Mashley
*Yes, I know you said 2 votes at the deadline, but what I mean is that you're ignoring what the votes were at the time you voted in favor of the more-favorable-for-you deadline votes.
Your point is? That still leaves a huge number who hadn't voted or discussed who we should lynch at at all. In a 15 person game 3 votes is nothing. There was little to no genuine suspicion about animask as far as I know, and those were just the typical votes that animask gets when he posts his usual gibberish so it was actually quite a shock when he actually flipped town. At that point, as always Day 1 there were no strong arguments for lynching anyone, so the best policy had to be lynching a lurker. I mean look at the final vote count, there were three other people with the same number of votes as animask, he only actually got lynched because of when the votes were cast.Ekaru wrote:
...You're conveniently ignoring the fact that when you voted for Newbie animask had 3 votes on him, not 2
Of course I'm not saying we shouldn't have lynched animask but you have to look back to Day One and think, was there ever sufficient reasoning to lynch animask? No, of course not. We got lucky.
Have you read Day one? I had superfluous reason to suspect both animask and nohitter.
I-I skimmed it D:
well then read it for real, you were there for the most part so it only confuses me more why you wouldn't make a case on what had happened so far and lynch newbie instead
yeah Sync, I'm obviously mafia and fucking with you, which is why I left my vote on a mafia member instead of easily saving them by unvoting.
don't worry mashley, if you flip town we'll lynch DxS.
also Wojjan don't take credit for something I called a mile away okay. you didnt even vote for him!
p.s. Thanks whoever voted with me (ekaru i think).
don't worry mashley, if you flip town we'll lynch DxS.
also Wojjan don't take credit for something I called a mile away okay. you didnt even vote for him!
p.s. Thanks whoever voted with me (ekaru i think).
Nope.
Roleclaim: Motivator
I motivated Ekaru N1. Carry on now.
Roleclaim: Motivator
I motivated Ekaru N1. Carry on now.
huh, turns out you did call itfoulcoon wrote:
yeah Sync, I'm obviously mafia and fucking with you, which is why I left my vote on a mafia member instead of easily saving them by unvoting.
don't worry mashley, if you flip town we'll lynch DxS.
also Wojjan don't take credit for something I called a mile away okay. you didnt even vote for him!
p.s. Thanks whoever voted with me (ekaru i think).
alright let foulcoon lead town
I'm leaning mash too, but that's mostly a gut thing.
Unvote
For the record, I got no notification that I was motivated. You guys can take that as you will.DeathxShinigami wrote:
Nope.
Roleclaim: Motivator
I motivated Ekaru N1. Carry on now.
more like mafia motivator who last minute vote changed in an effort to not lynch their mafia buddyDeathxShinigami wrote:
Nope.
Roleclaim: Motivator
I motivated Ekaru N1. Carry on now.
Topic Starter
JInxyjem replaces -Newbie-
Ivalset replaces pieguy1372
Ivalset replaces pieguy1372
Yo
I won't be able to read nor post until.a few.hours, I still have.classes
those dots are.typos ignore them
I won't be able to read nor post until.a few.hours, I still have.classes
those dots are.typos ignore them
Evening folks.
Going to reread the thread, etc.
Going to reread the thread, etc.
hi
From what I can see right now, DxS is suspicious to me. He was also voting for Newbie over animask in Day 1, with a pretty weak reason too.
Then he was suggested as a lynch by foul and claimed right there and then, as a motivator who targeted Ekaru. Ekaru's reply:
But then again, this is the man who claimed Innocent Child in Celebrity, so I dunno
Then he was suggested as a lynch by foul and claimed right there and then, as a motivator who targeted Ekaru. Ekaru's reply:
However, the only thing that doesn't go well with my suspicions is that DxS could have made much better claims than one that's easily refuted. Possibly roleblocked?Ekaru wrote:
For the record, I got no notification that I was motivated. You guys can take that as you will.DeathxShinigami wrote:
Nope.
Roleclaim: Motivator
I motivated Ekaru N1. Carry on now.
But then again, this is the man who claimed Innocent Child in Celebrity, so I dunno
Okay, I got the motivation notification overnight. Salvage just missed it the first time, apparently. XP
...k.
Around 42 more hours
This line stands out to me pretty heavily. It seems like at the last minute of day 1, there was a fair amount of vote shuffling in a misguided attempt to avoid lynching animask via tied votes. DxS brought animask's votes to 3, then animask pushed NoHItter up to 2, then DxS unvotes and votes for Newbie instead, possibly hoping that animask going from 3 -> 2 would put him behind NoHItter in the lynch line.Rantai wrote:
Huh... pretty sure that's a NoHItter lynch if I'm looking at this right.
For this reasoning I find all of Mashley, DxS and Rantai to be suspicious in different degrees.
Mashley for clearly attempting to save animask by persuading people to vote for a lurker instead.
DxS for his actions - pushing animask above 2 then back down to 2.
and Rantai for misreading the tied vote rules and bringing attention to the vote changes.
I'm quite comfortable with a Mashley lynch right now, so Vote: Mashley
well to be fair, even though DxS looks scummy, if it weren't for his vote + unvote animask wouldnt have been lynched...Ivalset wrote:
This line stands out to me pretty heavily. It seems like at the last minute of day 1, there was a fair amount of vote shuffling in a misguided attempt to avoid lynching animask via tied votes. DxS brought animask's votes to 3, then animask pushed NoHItter up to 2, then DxS unvotes and votes for Newbie instead, possibly hoping that animask going from 3 -> 2 would put him behind NoHItter in the lynch line.Rantai wrote:
Huh... pretty sure that's a NoHItter lynch if I'm looking at this right.
For this reasoning I find all of Mashley, DxS and Rantai to be suspicious in different degrees.
Mashley for clearly attempting to save animask by persuading people to vote for a lurker instead.
DxS for his actions - pushing animask above 2 then back down to 2.
and Rantai for misreading the tied vote rules and bringing attention to the vote changes.
I'm quite comfortable with a Mashley lynch right now, so Vote: Mashley
Pretty sure he still would have. Animask was at 2 votes and at the top of the lynch list before dxs voted and unvoted.
Huh. No.
I went through it carefully. Hitter was the first to 2 votes, not animask. This is based off an earlier game (ages ago, can't remember which game) where the mechanics worked via:
Take that as you will. In the end it was a mod decision where my words hold no sway.
I went through it carefully. Hitter was the first to 2 votes, not animask. This is based off an earlier game (ages ago, can't remember which game) where the mechanics worked via:
SPOILER
A is at 2
B is 3
B to be lynched
A is at 2
B is unvoted to 2
A to be lynched
B is 3
B to be lynched
A is at 2
B is unvoted to 2
A to be lynched
Take that as you will. In the end it was a mod decision where my words hold no sway.
And yes, I do know that was your argument against me.
Those were mechanics introduced into two's first mafia game but were changed before the game started. Interestingly enough, you were involved in the discussion.
viewtopic.php?p=1027357#p1027357
Discussion on the tied vote rule is on the first two pages.
viewtopic.php?p=1330260#p1330260 is where animask is solidified at 2 votes and never falls below that. At that point in time, animask is second on the lynch list - viewtopic.php?p=1330461#p1330461
Later, sync brings ekaru up to 3 votes but then unvotes, then animask unvotes ekaru and seals his own fate by bringing himself to the top of the lynch list. Furthermore, Nohitter drops to 1 vote viewtopic.php?p=1333209#p1333209 when mashley votes for newbie instead. When animask switches to nohitter and puts him at 2 votes, animask is still first to be lynched because he reached 2 votes before nohitter did.
Also, there's an example of how tied votes works in this game in the first post!
viewtopic.php?p=1027357#p1027357
Discussion on the tied vote rule is on the first two pages.
viewtopic.php?p=1330260#p1330260 is where animask is solidified at 2 votes and never falls below that. At that point in time, animask is second on the lynch list - viewtopic.php?p=1330461#p1330461
Later, sync brings ekaru up to 3 votes but then unvotes, then animask unvotes ekaru and seals his own fate by bringing himself to the top of the lynch list. Furthermore, Nohitter drops to 1 vote viewtopic.php?p=1333209#p1333209 when mashley votes for newbie instead. When animask switches to nohitter and puts him at 2 votes, animask is still first to be lynched because he reached 2 votes before nohitter did.
Also, there's an example of how tied votes works in this game in the first post!
The first post doesn't cover 3 to 2~ (it's a 2v2 situation)
Though thanks for reminding me where that discussion took place. It seems I got the original mechanic stuck in my head.
Well then, that's cleared up for me.
Though thanks for reminding me where that discussion took place. It seems I got the original mechanic stuck in my head.
Well then, that's cleared up for me.
will post after dinner. I'm so behind of this game orz
I understand that the voting was very odd last night. They could have really just focused someone so animask won't get lynched. However, one post animask has made gave me a pretty bad impression.
Vote: Mashley
This is very odd and makes me pretty confident that animask is trying to distance Mashley. Like, he explains a lot about Mashley, but ends up voting for NoHItter without his own reasoning :<animask wrote:
Fos Mashley
*Reasons why he FoSes Mashley*
Vote: NoHItter
Vote: Mashley
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT:
Mashley (5) - foulcoon, Ekaru, Wojjan, Ivalset, bmin11
Not voting (8) -LadySuburu, JInxjyjem, DeathxShinigami, Mashley, 0_o, Sync, Rantai, Lilac
Mashley (5) - foulcoon, Ekaru, Wojjan, Ivalset, bmin11
Not voting (8) -LadySuburu, JInxjyjem, DeathxShinigami, Mashley, 0_o, Sync, Rantai, Lilac
vote Mashley
SHEEP SHEEP SHEEP SHEEP
actually the relationship between animask and mashley is pretty hilarious
SHEEP SHEEP SHEEP SHEEP
actually the relationship between animask and mashley is pretty hilarious
Roleclaim Doublevoter
Seriously I can't even defend myself against this... My day one vote looked scummy out of pure coincidence, and if people are so convinced that I'm scum there's nothing I can do. My second vote shows as anonymous and is cast through PM, which is weird since as I understand it's usually just cast in the thread through 'vote 2:' or whatever... I dunno about that though.
Seriously I can't even defend myself against this... My day one vote looked scummy out of pure coincidence, and if people are so convinced that I'm scum there's nothing I can do. My second vote shows as anonymous and is cast through PM, which is weird since as I understand it's usually just cast in the thread through 'vote 2:' or whatever... I dunno about that though.
inb4 scum jumps in and hammers me
Well proving a double voter isn't hard I guess.
But that role can swing both ways so er yeah, not sure if I can believe you're town right now.
But that role can swing both ways so er yeah, not sure if I can believe you're town right now.
Argh, the problem with double voters are that they can easily be a vote stealer. We could try to tie the vote up until N-1 with someone majority and make Mashley to hammer to see if the vote was stolen was double voted.
Well, if you're a double voter then vote for someone twice and we'll see it as anonymous on the votecount. That seems pretty easy to test.
We can prove his claim, but we can't prove that he's town.
As a purely role-based look:
Anonymous doublevoter benefits scum more than town. (Is better as a scum role)
Open doublevoter benefits town more than scum. (Is better as a town role)
Now, with that being said we've had tons of roles in recent games that would generally be thought of as scum-aligned that aren't. I'm not sure that his claim being true or not should change anything about how scummy he is.
As a purely role-based look:
Anonymous doublevoter benefits scum more than town. (Is better as a scum role)
Open doublevoter benefits town more than scum. (Is better as a town role)
Now, with that being said we've had tons of roles in recent games that would generally be thought of as scum-aligned that aren't. I'm not sure that his claim being true or not should change anything about how scummy he is.