1. Extra (5.27 stars, 801 notes)
2. Kaine's Insane (4.28 stars, 589 notes)
3. Lukas' Hard (3.03 stars, 412 notes)
4. mithew's Easy (1.55 stars, 174 notes)
5. Normal (2.12 stars, 317 notes)

REUSE-ABLE wrote:

mmm sorry to interupt your map. but
01:49:615 (6,1) - why this is so close? because it's a 1/4 gap
02:05:834 - this sound like stream. my opinion is maybe add repeat slider. I don't know it's my opinion yeah there is 1/4 but it's not what I want to focus on here
Thank you ~
*sorry if i'm so cringy

WORSTPOLACKEU wrote:

Extra

00:25:896 (2) - feels weird to overlap it like that when your map is more clean otherwise, doesn't fit the aesthetics there's lots of minor ones like these tho so I don't really see the problem, they don't really show in gameplay

00:31:896 - this note is not needed, feels weird with the vocal continuing, just make an empty space or a slider I'm catching the synth

00:48:021 (2) - x461 y28 ? flow moved it to x461 but I went for "symmetry" (more like similar overlapping) here so I don't really wanna move it away from the stream

01:18:209 (1,2) - I don't see reason for this spacing here not sure what you mean here, but I tried going for a slow build-up in spacing here as the part before is so slow

01:52:334 (5,6,1) - not a fan of linear things like this zz always plays annoying. 01:52:709 (1) - this has lots of impact so this makes no sense to make it exactly the same as previous note true, stacked 5 and 6

02:24:209 (1,2,3) - same spacing, no reason don't get it

02:33:959 (3,4,5) - this is fine since you start the next pattern with emphasis, the previous linear pattern was made like wrong ya

03:24:209 (1,2,3,4,1) - spacing and angle is not perfect seems sloppy considering your other patterns! whoops

Pretty good not much mostly suggestions

I gotta go out fast so I'll mod the other diff later if you still need!

Squilly wrote:

Extra

00:09:959 (1,1) - in this part youre following the drums mostly so circles would fit better instead of sliders here since theres not much of a change when you start using circles right after them yup

00:13:240 (4) - i feel like this overmap is unnecessary it's because the vocal is messed up here, not having it sounds weird too

01:12:209 (1,2,3) - since the bass sound youre following doesnt stop at the end of these sliders you could at least extend them to the red tick instead of just having the awkward space in between (also applies to the other sliders like these) ya

01:24:584 (2,3,4,5) - imo you should make the spacing here just as low as 01:23:459 (4,5,6,7) and 01:26:459 (3,4,5,6) because there isnt much of a reason for the bigger spacing it's more for nicer movement than it is for perfect emphasis

02:05:834 - you seem to try and map as many blue tick rhythms as you can with the hats and stuff so i think mapping these 1/4s would fit well not really trying to focus on those here

02:30:584 (2,3,4,5) - same as 01:24:584 (2,3,4,5)

03:17:834 (5,6,1) - you could go a bit higher on the spacing to emphasize vocals seems fine as it is to me

03:23:084 (2) - i would just change this to circles so you follow the drum on the sliderend right

polack wrote:

Kaine's Insane

01:09:209 (4) - further away imo, atleast make it not touch the previous slider in this awkward manner, the whole patterning here is not touching each other this seems off ok

01:12:209 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - make some sliders lol this feels super underwhelming ok

02:18:209 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - same ok

02:33:771 (2,2,2) - This could be cleaned up better, nothing wrong with the jumps themselves, just could be patterned much better, looks messy now ok

03:12:959 (1,2,3,4) - spacing feels so little compared to how intense this part is vocally! those kicksliders will not be followed so the movement will be very reduced ok

03:13:334 (3,4,1) - and you have this linear jump which is awkward, same direction after 2 low spaced kicksliders just spaced so much, better to have the jumps change direction when a section changes this drastically ok

Squilly wrote:

Kaine's Insane

00:21:959 (3,4,5,1) - maybe increase spacing here to emphasize buildup ok

01:39:584 (2,3) - make these a slider to fit with how you map this part in the rest of the map no thank you

01:51:959 (3,1) - might wanna blanket these (you could move 01:52:146 (4) as well if you want to keep the triangle there) ok

02:33:209 (1,2,1,2) - i think 1/2 sliders fit better here with how you mapped it before ok

03:12:021 (2,3) - spacing this high doesnt fit imo decreased

WORSTPOLACKEU wrote:

Normal

00:20:084 (6,7,8) - I would reconstruct this rhythm, to note and 2 kicksliders, the sliderend goes on the big sound which could be made better with a clickable note and the others however you see fit that'd be too dense imo

00:31:709 (5,6) - This is a place I would use extended slider since it is the same word that is extended which logically fits into 1 slider yup

00:26:084 (5) - same as before, I don't feel this, even vocals start there same

00:30:209 (1,2) - spacing watch out ww what's wrong here?

01:20:459 (7,8,1,2,3) - spacing unequal, correct visuals fixed I think

02:26:459 (7,8,1,2,3) - fix here too and 02:24:209 (1,2) - ye

Chromoxx wrote:

General:
02:49:709 - maybe consider making the combo colors something brighter for the kiai since the tone of the song changes drastically and it would be a pretty cool effect imo i would but i think the colors would become too bright? don't think it's allowed

Normal:
00:00:209 (1) - you can miss the last tick since there is no sound ye
00:33:584 (2,3,4) - the approach circle on 4 being visible during the slider 2 is kinda confusing to read imo, maybe shift 180 degree turn it so that it lands on the bottom side? fixed i think?
01:12:209 (1) - make this a slider for consistency? i wanted to give a different kind of emphasis here cuz it's the start of the kiai if that makes sense?
02:33:209 (1,2,3) - stacking makes for an awkward overlap here fixed

Easy:
looks good

Chromoxx wrote:

Insane:
00:13:334 (4,5) - this overlap is kinda ugly imo Fixed
00:16:334 (4,5) - same about the overlap Fixed
01:06:209 (1,2) - this overlap kinda stands out too much imo since you aren't overlapping anything else in this part, it looks cleaner than the last ones at least though Fixed
01:06:771 (2,3) - blanket is slightly off Fixed
02:18:209 (1,2,3) - luckily these aren't squares lol true

Chromoxx wrote:

with bright i meant something more colorful i guess, like yellow + red or something

1. 00:38:459 (4) - That is a slider-shape I would not recommend in an easy, because we don't really see the shape of it, so it kinda acts like an holding circle. It will be better to "open it" while keeping your main idea. Do the same thing for 00:44:459 (4) - and all the similar ones on the second half of the map.
2. 00:48:209 - 01:54:209 - 02:36:209 - You could maybe force these breaks to be starting on these timestamps? That would be neat.
3. 03:04:709 (4) - Considering the curve of the last slider, you should move this slider to make it follow the flow of it instead of making a perfect straight line from the end of the previous slider to this one. For this instance, just move this slider a little bit more to the right.
4. 03:09:959 - Coming here, I believe you can use a better rhythm, because I feel you are skipping something. Maybe you could do something similar to what's shown below, which is something to 02:57:209 (2,3,4) - :
   
5. 03:24:584 (1) - Delete the reverse arrow of this slider to make the difficulty finish on 03:24:959 - like every diffs (except Lucas, which I am also asking the same.. lol)

1. 00:00:209 (1,1,1,1,2,1,1) - You should maybe use the new combos in a more logical way. You could be following the sounds and group the objects separated by the moments which has no sounds. For an example, delete the new combo to 00:01:709 (1) - , 00:04:709 (1) - and 00:07:709 (1) - and since 00:05:459 (2) - has a different sounds from the other two sliders, you could be adding a new combo to this one.
2. 00:12:771 (2) - Missing a clap for consistency.
3. 01:40:709 (1) - To play with the aesthetic a bit, maybe you can move this slider to make a straight line with 01:39:959 (3,4,5,6) - ?
4. 02:35:459 (5,6,7,1) - Same as mentioned above.
5. 02:57:209 (1) - There's some hitsounds on this slider that should be deleted to follow the other similar sliders.
6. 03:12:584 - I think there should be a finish drum hitsounds instead of this whistle.
7. 03:17:459 (3) - The whistle sounds a bit too loud because of the previous one. There should actually be a normal sampletset without any other hitsounds attached to it. It will follow 03:15:959 (3) - .
8. 03:24:959 - Change this slider for a circle to finish it at a consistent time on the whole mapset.

1. 00:39:771 - 00:42:771 - Missing a drum-clap here. (If it is not missing, I'd recommend adding one has there are dominant sounds on these timestamps)
2. 01:12:209 - & 02:18:209 - I feel like these hitsounds are quite messed up during these parts. Either they are missing or either they are not consistent with 00:00:209 (1) - . You can have a look to the other difficulties to guide ya'.
3. 01:21:021 (4,5,6) - Make these objects aligned
4. 02:48:584 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - It would be very nice if these objects were placed like this, which would give more emphasis to the next slider object.

1. 02:17:084 (1) - to 02:36:209 (1) - being a copy-paste of 01:11:084 (1) - 01:30:115 (12) - really was not a great idea. The first segment is following the vocal with spacing emphasis and since you have copied this part, you would normally try to focus on the vocals as well for the second part, which is totally not the case. I would like you to rework this part again to follow either the vocals or the instruments on the second part.
2. 00:12:771 (2) - Missing a clap
3. 02:55:709 (1) - Shouldn't this slider's head have a clap with Additions set to 'Auto'? It will mostly follow the melody of the next hitsounds.
4. 02:59:271 (2) - For consistency, add a drum clap here
5. 03:17:459 (3) - Delete the whistle on the head of this slider

Gabe wrote:

Hello, I have some concerns on mapset!

Normal
This difficulty is undermapped considering the difficulty before this one. Please map something between 01:00:209 - to 01:09:209 - and between 02:06:209 - to 02:15:209 - I don't really see the problem here, mithew's diff is a guest difficulty so obviously it's gonna be different from mine. I prefer having these parts empty.

Lukas' Hard
You can actually delete these green timing points since they are unnecessary: 01:11:084 - , 01:11:834 - , 02:17:084 - , 02:17:834 - ok

1. 00:00:209 (1,1,1,1,2,1,1) - You should maybe use the new combos in a more logical way. You could be following the sounds and group the objects separated by the moments which has no sounds. For an example, delete the new combo to 00:01:709 (1) - , 00:04:709 (1) - and 00:07:709 (1) - and since 00:05:459 (2) - has a different sounds from the other two sliders, you could be adding a new combo to this one. okay
2. 00:12:771 (2) - Missing a clap for consistency. yea
3. 01:40:709 (1) - To play with the aesthetic a bit, maybe you can move this slider to make a straight line with 01:39:959 (3,4,5,6) - ? don't think it's neccesary
4. 02:35:459 (5,6,7,1) - Same as mentioned above. fixed here as it's more obvious
5. 02:57:209 (1) - There's some hitsounds on this slider that should be deleted to follow the other similar sliders.how so?
6. 03:12:584 - I think there should be a finish drum hitsounds instead of this whistle.I hitsounded this to the synth(?) not the drum, you can hear it over it
7. 03:17:459 (3) - The whistle sounds a bit too loud because of the previous one. There should actually be a normal sampletset without any other hitsounds attached to it. It will follow 03:15:959 (3) - . yeah
8. 03:24:959 - Change this slider for a circle to finish it at a consistent time on the whole mapset. ok

Kaine's Insane

1. 00:39:771 - 00:42:771 - Missing a drum-clap here. (If it is not missing, I'd recommend adding one has there are dominant sounds on these timestamps) I don't think they're neccesary as they're on sliderends and it'd sound weird
2. 01:12:209 - & 02:18:209 - I feel like these hitsounds are quite messed up during these parts. Either they are missing or either they are not consistent with 00:00:209 (1) - . You can have a look to the other difficulties to guide ya'. should be fixed
3. 01:21:021 (4,5,6) - Make these objects aligned don't think that's what he was going for since looking 2 seconds further shows this 01:22:334 (2,3,4) -
4. 02:48:584 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - It would be very nice if these objects were placed like this, which would give more emphasis to the next slider object. okay

Extra

1. 02:17:084 (1) - to 02:36:209 (1) - being a copy-paste of 01:11:084 (1) - 01:30:115 (12) - really was not a great idea. The first segment is following the vocal with spacing emphasis and since you have copied this part, you would normally try to focus on the vocals as well for the second part, which is totally not the case. I would like you to rework this part again to follow either the vocals or the instruments on the second part. I'm sorry but what's wrong with this? the way I map is by following both vocals and instruments at the same time, spacing emphasis is a combination of both of them too hence why I think I can copy paste this, to me it's completely fine as I think it perfectly fits the 2nd part too even though the vocals are different as everything follows the instruments nicely.
   
2. 00:12:771 (2) - Missing a clap indeed
3. 02:55:709 (1) - Shouldn't this slider's head have a clap with Additions set to 'Auto'? It will mostly follow the melody of the next hitsounds. I wanted the soft whistle because the vocal is strong
4. 02:59:271 (2) - For consistency, add a drum clap here yeah
5. 03:17:459 (3) - Delete the whistle on the head of this slider why? lol there's a kick on it and I'm following it with the drum whistle as it's similar

Syph wrote:

Gabe wrote:

Hello, I have some concerns on mapset!

Normal
This difficulty is undermapped considering the difficulty before this one. Please map something between 01:00:209 - to 01:09:209 - and between 02:06:209 - to 02:15:209 - I don't really see the problem here, mithew's diff is a guest difficulty so obviously it's gonna be different from mine. I prefer having these parts empty.

Syph wrote:

Gabe wrote:

Lukas' Hard

1. 02:57:209 (1) - There's some hitsounds on this slider that should be deleted to follow the other similar sliders.how so? hm, delete the drum sampleset to 02:57:396 -, as it doesn't have any particular sound here

Syph wrote:

Gabe wrote:

Extra
02:17:084 (1) - to 02:36:209 (1) - being a copy-paste of 01:11:084 (1) - 01:30:115 (12) - really was not a great idea. The first segment is following the vocal with spacing emphasis and since you have copied this part, you would normally try to focus on the vocals as well for the second part, which is totally not the case. I would like you to rework this part again to follow either the vocals or the instruments on the second part. I'm sorry but what's wrong with this? the way I map is by following both vocals and instruments at the same time, spacing emphasis is a combination of both of them too hence why I think I can copy paste this, to me it's completely fine as I think it perfectly fits the 2nd part too even though the vocals are different as everything follows the instruments nicely.

Syph wrote:

I don't see the reason for a pop, but whatever I guess, thanks for the mod

Syph wrote:

the way I map is by following both vocals and instruments at the same time, spacing emphasis is a combination of both of them too hence why I think I can copy paste this, to me it's completely fine as I think it perfectly fits the 2nd part too even though the vocals are different as everything follows the instruments nicely.

celerih wrote:

Syph wrote:

the way I map is by following both vocals and instruments at the same time, spacing emphasis is a combination of both of them too hence why I think I can copy paste this, to me it's completely fine as I think it perfectly fits the 2nd part too even though the vocals are different as everything follows the instruments nicely.

This doesn't make sense. If you follow both vocals and instruments, then why don't you change the map when the vocals do? If you always followed instruments only then yeah I'd see why you'd want no variation but here there's clear variation in one of the two, and the map should follow that.

If you want to follow both vocals and instruments at the same time fine, but don't just randomly stop following one of them so you can copy paste a section

Gabe wrote:

Hello, I have some concerns on mapset!

mithew's Easy

1. 00:38:459 (4) - That is a slider-shape I would not recommend in an easy, because we don't really see the shape of it, so it kinda acts like an holding circle. It will be better to "open it" while keeping your main idea. Do the same thing for 00:44:459 (4) - and all the similar ones on the second half of the map. ok
2. 00:48:209 - 01:54:209 - 02:36:209 - You could maybe force these breaks to be starting on these timestamps? That would be neat. ok
3. 03:04:709 (4) - Considering the curve of the last slider, you should move this slider to make it follow the flow of it instead of making a perfect straight line from the end of the previous slider to this one. For this instance, just move this slider a little bit more to the right. uhh did smth else
4. 03:09:959 - Coming here, I believe you can use a better rhythm, because I feel you are skipping something. Maybe you could do something similar to what's shown below, which is something to 02:57:209 (2,3,4) - : rhythms fine imo, fits changing vocals well
   
5. 03:24:584 (1) - Delete the reverse arrow of this slider to make the difficulty finish on 03:24:959 - like every diffs (except Lucas, which I am also asking the same.. lol)ok

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502,73,63209,2,0,B|459:152|498:239|498:239|442:221|387:240,1,285,2|2,1:2|3:2,0:0:0:0:
293,249,64709,1,2,0:0:0:0:
144,367,65459,1,0,0:0:0:0:
123,178,66209,6,0,P|8:216|111:277,1,285,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
188,257,67709,2,0,P|269:234|363:289,1,190,2|0,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
417,356,68834,1,2,0:0:0:0:
256,192,69209,12,0,70709,0:0:0:0:
499,286,72209,6,0,P|408:261|331:324,2,190,6|4|4,1:2|3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
346,172,74459,2,0,L|339:117,1,47.5,2|0,1:3|0:0,0:0:0:0:
472,72,75209,2,0,P|381:97|304:34,2,190,4|8|8,3:0|3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
311,173,77459,2,0,P|334:174|357:181,1,47.5,2|0,1:3|0:0,0:0:0:0:
223,135,78209,6,0,P|210:192|95:219,1,190,4|0,1:3|1:0,0:0:0:0:
8,179,79334,1,8,3:0:0:0:
21,273,79709,2,0,P|9:320|30:375,1,94.9999999999999,2|6,3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
118,366,80459,2,0,L|180:365,1,47.5,0|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
307,355,81209,2,0,P|298:304|316:257,1,94.9999999999999,4|0,3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
347,175,81959,2,0,P|355:128|229:69,1,190,0|2,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
172,109,83084,1,2,1:3:0:0:
173,203,83459,2,0,L|110:225,1,47.5,0|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
267,186,84209,6,0,P|342:182|404:269,1,190,4|0,3:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
400,365,85334,1,2,3:0:0:0:
494,356,85709,2,0,L|497:231,1,94.9999999999999,0|2,0:0|1:3,0:0:0:0:
497,166,86459,2,0,L|497:113,1,47.5,0|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
381,37,87209,1,4,3:0:0:0:
381,37,87584,2,0,B|312:55|250:48|250:48|272:69|286:109,1,190,8|4,3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
284,286,89084,2,0,B|205:296|205:296|205:275,1,94.9999999999999,4|12,3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
124,229,89834,1,8,3:0:0:0:
42,180,90209,6,0,P|125:136|208:185,1,190,6|0,1:2|1:0,0:0:0:0:
261,253,91334,1,8,3:0:0:0:
347,294,91709,2,0,B|422:315|422:315|429:286,1,94.9999999999999,0|8,3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
444,204,92459,2,0,P|425:163|456:130,1,94.9999999999999,2|0,1:3|0:0,0:0:0:0:
374,84,93209,2,0,P|295:118|186:64,1,190,4|2,3:0|1:3,0:0:0:0:
109,63,94334,2,0,L|106:166,1,94.9999999999999,8|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
106,252,95084,1,8,3:0:0:0:
179,311,95459,2,0,P|224:308|249:346,1,94.9999999999999,2|0,1:3|3:0,0:0:0:0:
341,371,96209,6,0,B|372:273|314:279|359:171,1,190,4|0,3:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
402,103,97334,1,8,3:0:0:0:
333,37,97709,2,0,L|210:32,1,94.9999999999999,0|8,3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
142,33,98459,2,0,P|131:77|81:73,1,94.9999999999999,0|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
51,166,99209,6,0,B|157:203|141:144|247:174,1,190,6|6,1:3|1:3,0:0:0:0:
401,267,100709,2,0,P|352:278|293:257,1,94.9999999999999,6|4,1:3|1:3,0:0:0:0:
217,244,101459,1,6,1:3:0:0:
233,337,101834,1,6,1:3:0:0:
29,137,102959,6,0,P|107:167|215:128,1,190,6|0,1:2|3:0,0:0:0:0:
247,47,104084,1,4,3:0:0:0:
309,118,104459,2,0,P|355:127|351:177,1,94.9999999999999,2|0,1:3|3:0,0:0:0:0:
292,237,105209,2,0,P|351:200|455:262,1,190,4|2,3:0|1:3,0:0:0:0:
291,354,106709,1,0,3:0:0:0:
197,344,107084,2,0,P|160:338|95:366,2,94.9999999999999,4|2|0,3:0|1:3|3:0,0:0:0:0:
233,256,108209,6,0,P|243:162|175:90,1,190,4|2,3:0|1:3,0:0:0:0:
89,81,109334,1,4,3:0:0:0:
122,169,109709,1,0,3:0:0:0:
269,49,110459,2,0,P|312:64|294:117,1,94.9999999999999,2|0,1:3|0:0,0:0:0:0:
308,201,111209,2,0,L|502:211,1,190,6|6,1:3|1:3,0:0:0:0:
333,305,112709,2,0,L|235:300,1,94.9999999999999,6|6,1:3|1:3,0:0:0:0:
143,295,113459,1,6,1:3:0:0:
48,291,113834,1,6,1:3:0:0:
98,211,114209,5,6,1:3:0:0:
66,325,125834,5,2,0:0:0:0:
148,278,126209,2,0,B|202:301|262:286|262:286|239:325,2,142.5,2|2|2,3:2|3:2|3:2,0:0:0:0:
95,198,127709,2,0,P|57:246|69:327,2,142.5,2|2|2,3:2|3:2|3:2,0:0:0:0:
188,179,129209,2,0,B|201:142|185:106|185:106|222:111|270:88,2,142.5,2|2|2,1:2|3:2|3:2,0:0:0:0:
220,268,130709,2,0,P|297:253|374:334,1,190,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
466,310,131834,1,2,3:2:0:0:
469,215,132209,6,0,B|484:133|450:163|470:70,2,142.5,2|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
377,188,133709,2,0,P|310:169|228:198,2,142.5,2|2|2,1:2|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,192,135209,12,0,136709,0:0:0:0:
13,98,138209,6,0,P|104:123|181:60,2,190,6|4|4,1:2|3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
166,212,140459,2,0,L|173:267,1,47.5,2|0,1:3|0:0,0:0:0:0:
40,312,141209,2,0,P|131:287|208:350,2,190,4|8|8,3:0|3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
209,227,143459,2,0,P|190:213|158:209,1,47.5,2|0,1:3|0:0,0:0:0:0:
305,231,144209,6,0,B|299:185|299:185|310:137,2,94.9999999999999,4|0|0,1:3|3:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
313,327,145334,1,8,3:0:0:0:
221,303,145709,2,0,P|135:274|42:307,1,190,2|0,3:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
24,213,146834,1,0,0:0:0:0:
106,165,147209,2,0,B|108:122|90:91|90:91|102:18,2,142.5,4|8|8,3:0|3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
196,194,148709,2,0,P|277:169|377:226,1,190,2|0,3:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
489,358,150209,6,0,B|483:306|483:306|500:256,2,94.9999999999999,4|0|0,3:0|0:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
394,343,151334,1,2,3:0:0:0:
305,309,151709,2,0,P|216:342|130:297,1,190,0|0,0:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
34,141,153209,6,0,P|77:129|137:147,1,94.9999999999999,6|8,1:3|3:0,0:0:0:0:
203,187,153959,2,0,P|213:127|119:47,1,190,6|6,1:3|1:3,0:0:0:0:
39,87,155084,2,0,L|36:186,2,94.9999999999999,6|6|10,1:3|1:3|1:3,0:0:0:0:
106,19,156209,5,0,0:0:0:0:
150,81,169709,6,0,P|67:111|73:233,1,190,6|2,1:2|1:3,0:0:0:0:
36,296,170834,1,8,3:0:0:0:
108,356,171209,2,0,B|219:318|188:373|298:335,1,190,0|2,3:0|1:3,0:0:0:0:
453,232,172709,2,0,P|437:154|494:81,2,142.5,2|8|8,1:3|3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
446,327,174209,1,2,0:0:0:0:
363,279,174584,1,2,3:2:0:0:
289,339,174959,2,0,B|251:332|212:349|212:349|202:284|237:205,1,190,2|2,1:3|3:2,0:0:0:0:
228,29,176459,6,0,P|270:45|264:91,1,94.9999999999999,2|8,1:3|3:0,0:0:0:0:
171,104,177209,2,0,B|114:139|48:114|48:114|48:175,1,190,0|2,3:0|1:3,0:0:0:0:
175,315,178709,2,0,P|270:294|364:323,1,190,4|2,3:0|1:3,0:0:0:0:
435,373,179834,1,8,3:0:0:0:
442,183,180584,2,0,B|452:124|438:144|448:86,2,94.9999999999999,4|2|0,3:0|1:3|1:0,0:0:0:0:
474,272,181709,6,0,P|422:213|302:256,1,190,6|2,1:2|1:3,0:0:0:0:
385,298,182834,1,8,3:0:0:0:
296,331,183209,2,0,B|259:331|218:350|218:350|202:284|216:228,1,190,2|2,0:0|1:3,0:0:0:0:
218,50,184709,2,0,P|143:68|86:33,2,142.5,4|8|8,3:0|3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
313,56,186209,1,2,0:0:0:0:
407,62,186584,1,4,3:0:0:0:
498,36,186959,2,0,P|454:80|495:211,1,190,2|6,1:3|1:2,0:0:0:0:
469,291,188084,6,0,L|359:298,1,94.9999999999999,0|2,0:0|1:3,0:0:0:0:
270,299,188834,2,0,P|246:229|292:111,1,190,8|10,3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
233,40,189959,1,2,1:3:0:0:
157,97,190334,2,0,P|116:112|41:84,2,94.9999999999999,2|4|2,0:0|3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
338,40,191834,2,0,B|326:96|348:71|338:150,1,94.9999999999999,8|2,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
355,228,192584,2,0,P|417:218|468:242,2,94.9999999999999,2|2|2,0:0|1:3|0:0,0:0:0:0:
268,268,193709,6,0,B|262:222|262:222|273:174,2,94.9999999999999,6|2|0,1:2|0:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
249,361,194834,1,8,3:0:0:0:
175,300,195209,2,0,P|89:271|-4:304,1,190,2|0,0:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
142,177,196709,2,0,B|144:134|126:103|126:103|138:30,2,142.5,6|8|8,3:0|3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
232,204,198209,2,0,P|310:251|398:204,1,190,2|2,0:0|1:3,0:0:0:0:
416,23,199709,6,0,P|462:15|507:30,2,94.9999999999999,8|2|0,3:0|0:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
362,102,200834,1,8,3:0:0:0:
284,47,201209,2,0,P|185:75|94:28,1,190,2|2,0:0|1:3,0:0:0:0:
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112,163,204209,1,2,0:0:0:0:
204,186,204584,2,0,B|265:191|245:205|300:204,1,94.9999999999999,4|2,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:

1. 28% of the Normal difficulty are breaks even though there is a drumlayer starting at 01:00:209 - and 02:06:209 - . The large amount of downtime can feel very underwhelming for the player.
2. 02:17:084 (1) - to 02:36:209 (1) - being a copy-paste of 01:11:084 (1) - 01:30:115 (12) on the highest difficulty is unfitting because both sections are significantly different which creates a severe lack of contrast. The first section is following a mixture of beat and vocals in the map (regarding rhythm and placement emphasis), while the second one only follows beat. But the copy-paste makes some of the patterns (those more impacted by vocals) not feel connected to the music in the second part. Examples:
   
   - 01:21:584 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the large amount of jumps here suddenly compared to the low spacing before only makes sense to emphasize the more articulated vocals, vs:
   - 02:27:584 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - in the later section which does not fit due to the beat still being the same as in the previous measures (and not following the new vocal layer either)
   
   - 01:23:084 (3,4) - 1/1s like these clearly follow the vocals too, to emphasize the articulation again. the beat also has a strong sound but it'd be better off represent with a slider similar to 01:20:084 (2) - , vs
   - 02:30:209 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2) -this, which is now neither emphasizing vocals nor beat properly
   
   Since the instances where this issue applies are not limited to the above but rather to the whole section, we recommend a remap of the second section that follows both beat and vocals to fix this issue.

Mao wrote:

Hello!

One of your beatmaps was recently referred to us for mediation following a Beatmap Nominator veto. The details of the veto can be found here.

After discussion amongst members of the Quality Assurance Team Disqualification Branch, we have decided to uphold the veto. The reasons for this decision are stated briefly below:

1. 28% of the Normal difficulty are breaks even though there is a drumlayer starting at 01:00:209 - and 02:06:209 - . The large amount of downtime can feel very underwhelming for the player.
2. 02:17:084 (1) - to 02:36:209 (1) - being a copy-paste of 01:11:084 (1) - 01:30:115 (12) on the highest difficulty is unfitting because both sections are significantly different which creates a severe lack of contrast. The first section is following a mixture of beat and vocals in the map (regarding rhythm and placement emphasis), while the second one only follows beat. But the copy-paste makes some of the patterns (those more impacted by vocals) not feel connected to the music in the second part. Examples:
   
   - 01:21:584 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the large amount of jumps here suddenly compared to the low spacing before only makes sense to emphasize the more articulated vocals, vs: I focused on instrumentals here, you can clearly hear a drum and really significant kick here which is why I made these "jumps".
   - 02:27:584 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - in the later section which does not fit due to the beat still being the same as in the previous measures (and not following the new vocal layer either)
   
   - 01:23:084 (3,4) - 1/1s like these clearly follow the vocals too, to emphasize the articulation again. yes, the vocal does stop here. did I choose to place a circle because of vocals ending? no not really actually, the strong kick sound here is what mainly made me do it, but yes I thought it'd be nice in combination with the vocal ending here, hence why I think it works perfectly fine in the second section. the beat also has a strong sound but it'd be better off represent with a slider similar to 01:20:084 (2) - , the sounds are completely different so I really don't know why you think it would be better off like that.
   - 02:30:209 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2) -this, which is now neither emphasizing vocals nor beat properly
   
   Since the instances where this issue applies are not limited to the above but rather to the whole section, we recommend a remap of the second section that follows both beat and vocals to fix this issue.

The beatmap may not be re-nominated at this time until appropriate changes are made that remedy the issues present.

Once changes have been made to the beatmap, both the Nominator who performed the beatmap veto, as well as the QAT members upholding it, will recheck the beatmap and decide individually if the issues have been satisfactorily addressed.

Lasse wrote:

unrelated to the veto stuff, did you ever consider mapping 03:14:459 (5,6,7,8) - 03:15:959 (5,6,7,8) - etc as doubles instead of circle+triple? the song has some really clear blue tick emphasis and the red tick don't have anything "special" since the hihats are on each 1/4 tick
basically something like https://i.imgur.com/KmZhrjI.jpg
would be really simple to change and make the unique rhythm in the song stand out much more

1. 02:29:834 - did you accidentally delete something here?
2. i dont know why this copy pasted section needs the contrast btw? it's still perfectly fitting to the backing instruments of the song and i didnt even notice that the first section that it's copied from is actually also mapping the vocals - i thought its just the backing sounds because that's what the mapper hitsounded
3. the spacing issues brought up dont seem pressing enough to just stop the map over - like idk why these are so important and not like the spacing to 01:54:209 (1) - or whatever (hello 7x spacing can you please nerf this a bit)

1. Hitsounding seems unfitting in the following sections: 00:12:209 - (a completely different rhythm from what you follow mainly is hitsounded as the only thing) 02:24:209 - 03:13:709 - (map vocals and hitsound anything but them)
2. 00:21:959 (3,1) - should be more intense according to your own patterns in 00:09:959 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i think that also would make sense for most other sections that use this, since the song builds up to those mainly and you spam the lamest ass rhythms over them that i could imagine
3. 01:54:209 - this part has severe spacing problems like uhh... the song slows down, you go to pattern based mapping - which is fine - but it's huge af and contrasts what the song is providing in this section, especially jumps from 01:54:771 (2,3,1) - 01:56:271 (2,3,1) - 01:58:334 (3,1) - 01:59:271 (2,3,1) - 02:00:771 (2,3) - 02:06:209 (1,2) - 02:08:271 (2,3,1) - 02:13:334 (3,1) - are like super huge for the only reason of some symmetric pattern
4. 02:24:209 - you kind of map vocals and fill the rest in with uhh idk what actually, i think if you were mapping vocals you should be mapping 02:26:271 - and the 3/4 for 02:24:209 (1,2,3) - way more clearly - right now you have like this super obvious vocal focus wit hthe reverse sliders and super unfitting filler rhythm thrown in - i think making it more clear what you're following is going to be easier to comprehend and wil lfeel more satisfying to play for this section
5. 03:13:709 - that you just do the same thing as you did in the section before the kiai (which ironically the Extra now is vetoed for by the QAT but this diff isnt lul) is kind of lame? like you bring nothing new and you dont even do something remotely more interesting than the part you had previously (and the previous point also applies to it)

1. 01:36:771 (2,3) - clean this up maybe? it looks pretty lol as is
2. 02:45:209 (1) - this spinner is topkek levels of unfitting because it forces you to do something over the song literally fading out and isnt even silent or getting more silent its just like lul move your cursor as fast as you can on a fadeout

Okoratu wrote:

o_O this is surprising.

Are you open for opinions on this?
Or do you not reconsider under any circumstance (both parties)?

[normal]
01:22:334 (4,7) - 01:33:021 (7,1) - 02:28:334 (4,7) - 03:12:584 (6,1) - btw i think you can clean these up they're clean enough i think, barely noticable in gameplay
02:51:959 (6) - half of this thing is under the hp bar please come on what lol fixed

01:00:209 - and the other newly mapped part, i think you can easily mix in 3/2 reversing sliders to provide some variety among the note placement, i think that would also make the part more interesting because it's not just remember what this rhtyhm is and execute it 5 times just went with easy repetitive rhythm here since it's a calm section, but replaced everything with 3/2 instead of what i had before

[extra]

1. 02:29:834 - did you accidentally delete something here?
2. i dont know why this copy pasted section needs the contrast btw? it's still perfectly fitting to the backing instruments of the song and i didnt even notice that the first section that it's copied from is actually also mapping the vocals - i thought its just the backing sounds because that's what the mapper hitsounded
3. the spacing issues brought up dont seem pressing enough to just stop the map over - like idk why these are so important and not like the spacing to 01:54:209 (1) - or whatever (hello 7x spacing can you please nerf this a bit)

overall idk what to think of this the main reasons for blocking this seem super nitpicky to me and considering the average map i looked at in recent times these diffs in question here aren't even all that stupid but uhhh fixed both

[lukas]

1. 01:36:771 (2,3) - clean this up maybe? it looks pretty lol as is fixed
2. 02:45:209 (1) - this spinner is topkek levels of unfitting because it forces you to do something over the song literally fading out and isnt even silent or getting more silent its just like lul move your cursor as fast as you can on a fadeout removed

1. Hitsounding seems unfitting in the following sections: 00:12:209 - (a completely different rhythm from what you follow mainly is hitsounded as the only thing) 02:24:209 - 03:13:709 - (map vocals and hitsound anything but them) Syph chan hitsounded so she will decide
2. 00:21:959 (3,1) - should be more intense according to your own patterns in 00:09:959 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i think that also would make sense for most other sections that use this, since the song builds up to those mainly and you spam the lamest ass rhythms over them that i could imagine i changed it a bit to emphasize
3. 01:54:209 - this part has severe spacing problems like uhh... the song slows down, you go to pattern based mapping - which is fine - but it's huge af and contrasts what the song is providing in this section, especially jumps from 01:54:771 (2,3,1) - 01:56:271 (2,3,1) - 01:58:334 (3,1) - 01:59:271 (2,3,1) - 02:00:771 (2,3) - 02:06:209 (1,2) - 02:08:271 (2,3,1) - 02:13:334 (3,1) - are like super huge for the only reason of some symmetric pattern changed rhythms
4. 02:24:209 - you kind of map vocals and fill the rest in with uhh idk what actually, i think if you were mapping vocals you should be mapping 02:26:271 - and the 3/4 for 02:24:209 (1,2,3) - way more clearly - right now you have like this super obvious vocal focus wit hthe reverse sliders and super unfitting filler rhythm thrown in - i think making it more clear what you're following is going to be easier to comprehend and wil lfeel more satisfying to play for this section same for here
5. 03:13:709 - that you just do the same thing as you did in the section before the kiai (which ironically the Extra now is vetoed for by the QAT but this diff isnt lul) is kind of lame? like you bring nothing new and you dont even do something remotely more interesting than the part you had previously (and the previous point also applies to it) made the second part Complex but its completely different from before so honestly i have no idea

Okoratu wrote:

Cheesecake wrote:

kaine what the heck man