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Allow people to star a map only once.

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KRZY
Former osu! Champion: #3
4,845 posts
Joined May 2009
Topic Starter
KRZY
Didn't know where to put this, so here it is:

The idea came to me as I was looking a map that, in my opinion, was clearly ranked without getting enough mods.

As we currently need eight stars to get a bubble on a mapset, limiting the number of stars a person can give to a mapset to only one will ensure that at least seven (excluding the mapper) people will take a look at the map before the map is ready for a bubble.

Of course, there are no guarantees that a star always comes with a mod, but I feel it will significantly increase the ratio of mods/stars on a map, which is what we originally aimed for when we required kudosu to star a map.

Thoughts in all directions are much appreciated.
SapphireGhost
osu! Alumni
2,618 posts
Joined June 2010
SapphireGhost
"there are no guarantees that a star always comes with a mod"
This is a good suggestion, but this part worries me. Another possible suggestion (with the same concept) would be "Require eight mod posts instead of eight star priority." You could also possibly add a rule about being in Pending for at least a week or something in order to reduce speedrank drama and more importantly, give good modders time to get to the map before it's ranked.

These are all just suggestions, of course.
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: #3
4,845 posts
Joined May 2009
Topic Starter
KRZY

SapphireGhost wrote:

"Require eight mod posts instead of eight star priority."
This sounds like a pretty good idea.
Shiirn
2,896 posts
Joined August 2010
Shiirn
This would effectively eliminate "kudosu stockpiling" and "kudosu dumping" as well.


Support, mostly. I think the limit should be 2 rather than 1, and the mapper themselves cannot put their own kd into their own maps? or limit that as well.
Makar
osu! Alumni
2,258 posts
Joined February 2011
Makar
Supporting basically what others have said here

- A map should be in pending for certain amount of time (yeah I know you could just get mods before submitting but people will still complain in the thread).
- A map should at have at least a certain amount of quality mods as well as stars.
- You can only star your own map twice, and staring others' maps should also have a limit.

Yeah I know it's kinda off topic but I guess it kinda helps with the point of the thread.
Raging Bull
2,785 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
Yay support. Gives other people a chance at getting theirs ranked and more mods. Of course the usual thing is about new mappers ._. They might have a hard time getting stars if they can't star their own map.
Azure_Kite
osu! Alumni
3,217 posts
Joined February 2009
Azure_Kite

KRZY wrote:

SapphireGhost wrote:

"Require eight mod posts instead of eight star priority."
This sounds like a pretty good idea.

It's only what I've been asking for a while.

Proposing a lovely little check box to mark whether a post is considered by the author to be, well, a mod. posts not marked as being a mod can still be kudosu'd, but a mapper would require at least 8 posts in their thread (by different modders, of course) marked as being a mod, in order to bring it up higher into the priority queue. Yes, this could be abused, but if it is, let there be repercussions like the inability to mark abusers posts as a mod, or the inability to post in the beatmap subforums for a while.

SPOILER
Shiirn
2,896 posts
Joined August 2010
Shiirn

Azure_Kyte wrote:

SPOILER
this makes me wet

EDIT: also 1111th post
Lybydose
osu! Alumni
2,024 posts
Joined January 2009
Lybydose

SapphireGhost wrote:

"Require eight mod posts instead of eight star priority."
and what if a map is already good and doesn't require any mod posts?
Azure_Kite
osu! Alumni
3,217 posts
Joined February 2009
Azure_Kite
How many times do you actually see that. Really?
ziin
2,632 posts
Joined January 2010
ziin

Lybydose wrote:

SapphireGhost wrote:

"Require eight mod posts instead of eight star priority."
and what if a map is already good and doesn't require any mod posts?
no map is perfect. A failed mod post is still a mod post.

Anyway, I don't support this. It's common sense that we learn from after a big hubbub. Live and learn and then get luvs. See also whymeman's signature.
Lybydose
osu! Alumni
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Joined January 2009
Lybydose

Azure_Kyte wrote:

How many times do you actually see that. Really?
Go here: http://osu.ppy.sh/p/chart

These are supposedly the best maps from last month. Count how many of these maps did NOT have 10 (or even 8) actual mod posts when ranked. Hint: it's about half of them. It might even be more if you ignore mods with like 2 lines or mods that are nothing but pointless new combo spam that could be summed up with "put a new combo on each downbeat".

The problem is that if a map is "really good" and "doesn't really need mods" it will never get ranked under a system that requires X mods. You'll have people wasting time trying to mod it and failing (when they could be using that time on a map that actually needs modding).

Then you'll have a few people that post random changes that could actually be worse, and they are only posting them because the map "needs a mod post" to get ranked.

In most cases the "really good" map could be improved slightly with 3-4 posts, but generally after that you have to stretch it just to find something.

Also, if the mapper is also a really good modder (use Krisom as an example I suppose), chances are he's already modded his own map to death before submitting it, so it's unlikely that anyone else would find much of anything, given that the person is such a good self-modder.
Zelos
1,111 posts
Joined May 2010
Zelos

Lybydose wrote:

Azure_Kyte wrote:

How many times do you actually see that. Really?
Go here: http://osu.ppy.sh/p/chart

These are supposedly the best maps from last month. Count how many of these maps did NOT have 10 (or even 8) actual mod posts when ranked. Hint: it's about half of them. It might even be more if you ignore mods with like 2 lines or mods that are nothing but pointless new combo spam that could be summed up with "put a new combo on each downbeat".

The problem is that if a map is "really good" and "doesn't really need mods" it will never get ranked under a system that requires X mods. You'll have people wasting time trying to mod it and failing (when they could be using that time on a map that actually needs modding).

Then you'll have a few people that post random changes that could actually be worse, and they are only posting them because the map "needs a mod post" to get ranked.

In most cases the "really good" map could be improved slightly with 3-4 posts, but generally after that you have to stretch it just to find something.

Also, if the mapper is also a really good modder (use Krisom as an example I suppose), chances are he's already modded his own map to death before submitting it, so it's unlikely that anyone else would find much of anything, given that the person is such a good self-modder.
I agree with Lybydose.
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Shiirn
2,896 posts
Joined August 2010
Shiirn

Lybydose wrote:

Also, if the mapper is also a really good modder (use Krisom as an example I suppose), chances are he's already modded his own map to death before submitting it, so it's unlikely that anyone else would find much of anything, given that the person is such a good self-modder.
While I severely agree with this final part (I myself mod my shit to death and back but lack the experience to do so perfectly), i agree with the thought that people can "star" the map without actually having modded it (having failed to do so) by using one of their kudosu from another map, or so.
James2250
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Joined July 2008
James2250
"A map being in pending for a certain amount of time" wont solve much. As much as people don't believe it there are actually some maps that are well enough done when first created that they don't need pages of mod posts to be approved, and will just be wasted time for them. The same thing applies for "having a set limit of mod posts on a map" and I agree with everything Lybydose mentioned there.

If there are bad quality maps being approved quickly then it needs to be discussed with the MAT/BATs in charge of it, not change the entire system around it and hurt professionally done maps in the process.

As for the original request, I suppose it wouldn't hurt too much. But I wouldn't limit it to only 1...plus the whole thing is regulated by the kudosu system anyway. If a modder "really" thinks a map is worth it then they should be allowed to put several stars on the map if they want to. It just means they will have to mod more maps to get the kudosu for that.
Ekaru
3,617 posts
Joined July 2008
Ekaru

Lybydose wrote:

The problem is that if a map is "really good" and "doesn't really need mods" it will never get ranked under a system that requires X mods.
How so?

Remember that a mod post where the modder found absolutely nothing is still a mod post - they aren't kudosu-worthy, but they do count as mod posts (just very useless ones). As long as those mod posts counted under such a system, there wouldn't be any trouble, since the mappers in question can get 8 mod posts in less than a week. :P
Shiirn
2,896 posts
Joined August 2010
Shiirn

Ekaru wrote:

since the mappers in question can get 8 mod posts in less than a week. day. :P
fix'd and truths
Gomo Psivarh
584 posts
Joined December 2009
Gomo Psivarh
Apparently old mappers are way easier to get stars from others, it's a trememdous disadvantage for new mappers as they cannot star their own maps multiple times.
rust45
1,088 posts
Joined May 2009
rust45

Ekaru wrote:

Lybydose wrote:

The problem is that if a map is "really good" and "doesn't really need mods" it will never get ranked under a system that requires X mods.
How so?

Remember that a mod post where the modder found absolutely nothing is still a mod post - they aren't kudosu-worthy, but they do count as mod posts (just very useless ones). As long as those mod posts counted under such a system, there wouldn't be any trouble, since the mappers in question can get 8 mod posts in less than a week. :P
I'm trying to wonder how people could actually prove that they went through the whole map.
Azure_Kite
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Joined February 2009
Azure_Kite
They can't prove it, but if there's no mod content/no suggestions, and the next modder that ACTUALLY MODS talkes a look and finds a bunch of unrankable errors, well....
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