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ClariS - SHIORI -TV size mix- [CatchTheBeat]

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Xinnoh
Elite Mapper
1,962 posts
Joined April 2014
Topic Starter
Xinnoh
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Monday, December 25, 2017 at 10:10:56 PM

Artist: ClariS
Title: SHIORI -TV size mix-
Source: 終物語
Tags: Fii -wwwww Spectator Owarimonogatari Ougi ending
BPM: 176
Filesize: 2569kb
Play Time: 01:27
Difficulties Available:
  1. Cup (1.44 stars, 121 notes)
  2. Kaitlin & Spec's Rain (4.28 stars, 292 notes)
  3. Platter (2.93 stars, 253 notes)
  4. Rain (3.99 stars, 282 notes)
  5. Salad (1.9 stars, 168 notes)
Download: ClariS - SHIORI -TV size mix-
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Hitsounds from kunka's set
Owari Season 1 ED


never forget
Last edited by Xinnoh , edited 33 times in total.
Sakary
868 posts
Joined July 2013
Sakary
M4M
from your queue
these are all suggestions

Kaitlin & Spec's Rain
  1. 00:02:134 (2) - This slider is awkward. May be make this 1/2 reverse slider to emphasize the voice on this timeline 00:02:305
  2. 00:13:725 (2,3,4,5) - make this curver to fit with the violin sound
  3. 00:27:020 (3,4,5,6) - this is weird. try ctrl+g then move to x:216
  4. 00:27:617 - i feel there should be a note here.
  5. 00:45:430 (1,2) - awkward distance between these two. make 2 a little distant from 1.
  6. 00:52:930 (1,2) - i prefer circles than sliders. what do you think?
  7. 01:08:526 - add note here. similar with 01:05:714 (4) -
beautiful

Rain
  1. 00:05:799 - add note here, maybe?
  2. 00:08:611 (1) - this slider is too long. move the tail on to the red tick and add note at 00:09:293 -? It sounds better.
  3. 00:27:191 (4,5,6) - move 5 at x:392, then move 6 at x:232 and make it slighty diagonal.
  4. 00:45:089 (4) - move 4 at x:392
  5. 00:48:668 (2,3) - hdash seems not recommended at this moment.
Yay

Platter below is my weakness.
Good luck with the map!
Xinnoh
Elite Mapper
1,962 posts
Joined April 2014
Topic Starter
Xinnoh

Hi_Hello wrote:

M4M
from your queue
these are all suggestions

Rain
  1. 00:05:799 - add note here, maybe? Didn't hear that till now, but can't add since 00:07:077 (5) - would also need and 1/4 hyper to antiflow is a bit much
  2. 00:08:611 (1) - this slider is too long. move the tail on to the red tick and add note at 00:09:293 -? It sounds better. yes
  3. 00:27:191 (4,5,6) - move 5 at x:392, then move 6 at x:232 and make it slighty diagonal. done
  4. 00:45:089 (4) - move 4 at x:392 seems good, but always give a reason for why
  5. 00:48:668 (2,3) - hdash seems not recommended at this moment. 1/4 violin is interesting so i added + better flow
Yay

Platter below is my weakness.
Good luck with the map!
thanks, I'll get to your set this week
Sc4v4ng3r
1,232 posts
Joined August 2014
Sc4v4ng3r
zzz forum logs me out once i finished my mod aaaaaaa
Will get the mod done later in the day

[General]
  1. Colours where
  2. 01:09:975 (1) - There's a distinguishable cymbals in the song here, should add a finish to show that. Same goes for 01:11:339 (1) - .
[Kaitlin & Spec's Rain]
  1. 00:02:645 (3,1) - Distance feels abnormally low compared to 00:00:259 (1,1) - , would increase the distance.
  2. 00:05:884 (1,2) - The vocals at this point is the weaker compared to notes like 00:09:123 (4,5) - , so only having a clear dash here doesn't make sense to me. Personally I would remove the dash here and add dashes on the later notes, but you can consider to also keep this current dash at add it on the later notes as well.
  3. 00:15:089 (1,2) - Slider is angled at a weird angle, that when it requires the player to dash to (2), which is further than the previous 2 dashes, they are forced to stop a little bit in the middle due to how vertical it is. Would try to make this more horizontal or just go with a more vertical slider, or reduce the distance between these 2 notes.
  4. 00:21:907 (4,1) - Feels underwhelming as a walk compared to 00:27:532 (6,1) - , would rather make this a dash for the downbeat emphasis.
  5. 00:38:100 (7,8,1) - Consecutive hypers of different snaps are unrankable in a Rain. To fix this, (7) > (8) can be a dash instead.
  6. 01:24:123 (2,3) - Don't really think a wiggle is suitable here as the snare isn't anything too special - a clearer 'special' snare sounds are at 01:24:293 (3) - instead imo. Would just flip (2) horizontally.
[Rain]
  1. 00:03:839 (3,1) - Pretty sure this is intended to be a dash ain't it? Feels quite short for it being 1 if so. Increase the distance.
  2. 00:12:020 (3,4,5,6,1) - Tbh this movement's very tight and precise to pull off. With the stopflow created by (1) and (2), a dash needs to be made towards (3) and (4) - then a set of hypers need to be carried out, which is increasing in distance everytime. For players just starting out on Rain, missing 1 note here can be quite punishing as it will mean missing all the other notes, which would most probably lead to a fail due to the long pause after this. I would just use 1/1 sliders to simplify this, but make it simple as you see fit.
  3. Is it just me or the kiai feels lacking in dashes? All I see much of are hypers and there are a very few clear dashes, and from 01:14:066 - it feels like there are none at all. it might be just me playing bad What I suggest to do is tone down some hypers which could have easily been dashes (say 01:18:498 (2,3) - ) or add in places to emphasize anything further (say 01:21:395 (4,5) - as a part of build-up), but hey, I might be off the wrong foot here xd
[Platter]
  1. Difficulty has too much hypers - it's fine on paper but having it on every measure is just overdoing it. Say for example from 00:27:702 - to 00:38:611 - , while that bell sound should be emphasized consistently, it doesn't necessarily have to mean every one of those have to be hypers - they can just be dashes. Besides, the song feels more calm during this part so having hypers regularly just doesn't seem to fit. Even in build-ups like 00:05:884 - to 00:11:339 - could have been toned down on the earlier parts by using dashes at 00:07:077 (4,1) - and etc.. In the kiai there's a possibility to have dashes on non-important downbeats (like 01:04:520 (1) - , 01:05:884 (1) - ) and have hypers only on downbeats with special instruments/vocals (like 01:07:248 (1) - , 01:08:611 (1) - , 01:09:975 (1) - ) which will reduce the amount of hypers used.
    Tl;dr reduce those hypers, it's making everything much more harder than it should be.
  2. 00:15:430 (1,2) - Dash where
  3. That's all tho, other than that long ass first point which is major
[Salad]
  1. 00:28:895 (3,4) - Dash distance feels abnormally lower than others, would increase a bit.
  2. 00:49:520 (1) - Da hell is this slider
  3. 01:00:941 (4,5) - (5)'s head doesn't land on anything really, would rather make (4) 1/1 slider than follow it up with a circle instead.
  4. 01:18:157 (4,5) - The bell's sound is increasing, so just overlapping 2 same sliders feels plain. Would use 2 circles in place of (5) and increase their distance a bit compared to (4)'s gap between head and tail.
[Cup]
  1. 00:02:475 (2) - Distance here feels a little too low compared to the notes after, would increase this a bit.
  2. 00:08:100 (3,1) - Increase the distance here so that you are following the build-up.
  3. 00:15:600 (2,3) - Compared to 00:14:066 (1,2) - , the intensity of the movement here doesn't seem to fit the song here too much. Try to increase the distance a bit to reflect the energy of the song.
  4. 00:24:293 (5,1) - More emphasis here would be great for the vocals.
  5. 00:35:202 (5,1) - Here too, for the downbeat instead. Srsly most of the important beats are not emphasized strongly enough lol
  6. 00:36:736 (2,3) - You get the idea
  7. 00:41:339 (5,1) - NC should be swapped. Cause of this, later the NC becomes kinda messy lul
  8. 00:50:202 (2,3) - Increase distance blablabla, same goes for 00:51:907 (4,1) - , 01:06:907 (3,4) - , 01:21:566 (4,1) - , 01:22:930 (2,3) - (last 2 for build-up).
  9. 01:18:839 (6,7) - Instead of increasing distance here, I would put (7) on the left of (6) so that the emphasis on the strongest sound of the bell is there. Also while at it you can increase the distance too heh
Good luck :)
Xinnoh
Elite Mapper
1,962 posts
Joined April 2014
Topic Starter
Xinnoh

Sc4v4ng3r wrote:

zzz forum logs me out once i finished my mod aaaaaaa
Will get the mod done later in the day

[General]
  1. Colours where
  2. 01:09:975 (1) - There's a distinguishable cymbals in the song here, should add a finish to show that. Same goes for 01:11:339 (1) - .
[Rain]
  1. 00:03:839 (3,1) - Pretty sure this is intended to be a dash ain't it? Feels quite short for it being 1 if so. Increase the distance. small buff
  2. 00:12:020 (3,4,5,6,1) - Tbh this movement's very tight and precise to pull off. With the stopflow created by (1) and (2), a dash needs to be made towards (3) and (4) - then a set of hypers need to be carried out, which is increasing in distance everytime. For players just starting out on Rain, missing 1 note here can be quite punishing as it will mean missing all the other notes, which would most probably lead to a fail due to the long pause after this. I would just use 1/1 sliders to simplify this, but make it simple as you see fit. did that
  3. Is it just me or the kiai feels lacking in dashes? All I see much of are hypers and there are a very few clear dashes, and from 01:14:066 - it feels like there are none at all. it might be just me playing bad What I suggest to do is tone down some hypers which could have easily been dashes (say 01:18:498 (2,3) - ) or add in places to emphasize anything further (say 01:21:395 (4,5) - as a part of build-up), but hey, I might be off the wrong foot here xd removed dash at 1:18, but i prefer not using dashes in dense/fast sections because they're much harder to read compared to hypers.
[Platter]
  1. Difficulty has too much hypers - it's fine on paper but having it on every measure is just overdoing it. Say for example from 00:27:702 - to 00:38:611 - , while that bell sound should be emphasized consistently, it doesn't necessarily have to mean every one of those have to be hypers - they can just be dashes. Besides, the song feels more calm during this part so having hypers regularly just doesn't seem to fit. Even in build-ups like 00:05:884 - to 00:11:339 - could have been toned down on the earlier parts by using dashes at 00:07:077 (4,1) - and etc.. In the kiai there's a possibility to have dashes on non-important downbeats (like 01:04:520 (1) - , 01:05:884 (1) - ) and have hypers only on downbeats with special instruments/vocals (like 01:07:248 (1) - , 01:08:611 (1) - , 01:09:975 (1) - ) which will reduce the amount of hypers used.
    Tl;dr reduce those hypers, it's making everything much more harder than it should be. wip on that and applied
  2. 00:15:430 (1,2) - Dash where k
  3. That's all tho, other than that long ass first point which is major
[Salad]
  1. 00:28:895 (3,4) - Dash distance feels abnormally lower than others, would increase a bit. fixed
  2. 00:49:520 (1) - Da hell is this slider cancer droplets
  3. 01:00:941 (4,5) - (5)'s head doesn't land on anything really, would rather make (4) 1/1 slider than follow it up with a circle instead. vocal
  4. 01:18:157 (4,5) - The bell's sound is increasing, so just overlapping 2 same sliders feels plain. Would use 2 circles in place of (5) and increase their distance a bit compared to (4)'s gap between head and tail. yes
[Cup]
  1. 00:02:475 (2) - Distance here feels a little too low compared to the notes after, would increase this a bit.
  2. 00:08:100 (3,1) - Increase the distance here so that you are following the build-up. not too much since also antiflow
  3. 00:15:600 (2,3) - Compared to 00:14:066 (1,2) - , the intensity of the movement here doesn't seem to fit the song here too much. Try to increase the distance a bit to reflect the energy of the song. adjusted
  4. 00:24:293 (5,1) - More emphasis here would be great for the vocals. i'm just going to say ok for the rest here
  5. 00:35:202 (5,1) - Here too, for the downbeat instead. Srsly most of the important beats are not emphasized strongly enough lol
  6. 00:36:736 (2,3) - You get the idea
  7. 00:41:339 (5,1) - NC should be swapped. Cause of this, later the NC becomes kinda messy lul fix
  8. 00:50:202 (2,3) - Increase distance blablabla, same goes for 00:51:907 (4,1) - , 01:06:907 (3,4) - , 01:21:566 (4,1) - , 01:22:930 (2,3) - (last 2 for build-up).
  9. 01:18:839 (6,7) - Instead of increasing distance here, I would put (7) on the left of (6) so that the emphasis on the strongest sound of the bell is there. Also while at it you can increase the distance too heh prefer current pattern
Good luck :)
Last edited by Xinnoh , edited 1 time in total.
Shirokane Rinko
150 posts
Joined December 2016
Shirokane Rinko
Hello!　M4M
  • [Cup]
  1. 00:20:543 - How I saw - you mapped a lot of ticks and skipped it, why? It`s strong beat, You can added note
  2. 00:24:975 (1) - Strong beat and start of vocal, maybe increase spacing?
  3. 00:27:020 (4,1) - ^ beat how ^ but spacing lower, why?
  4. 01:02:305 - You can mapped lyrics but it only my opinion
  5. 01:08:270 (6,1) - Increase spacing, strong beat but low spacing
    Good cup, it`s all
    [Salad]
  6. 00:02:816 - why you skip this sound?
  7. 00:06:907 - ^
  8. 00:16:111 (2,1) - reduce spacing. Song have a lot of sounds with loudy sound but they moments have lower distance
  9. 00:24:634 (6,1) - ^
  10. 00:39:805 (3,4) - reduce distance, it`s can be hard for newbie player
  11. 01:17:475 (3,4) - ^
    I think on salad a lot of moments with far distance on quiet sound
    [Platter]
  12. 00:07:077 (4,1) - Added HDash strong beat
  13. 00:08:441 (4,1) - ^
  14. 00:09:464 (2,3) - ^
  15. 00:09:464 (2,3) - You can mapped vocal part
  16. 00:37:930 (5,1) - HDash maybe?
  17. 01:02:475 - 01:02:816 - you can added short spiner if you not mapped vocal part
  18. 01:27:702 (1) - added here note how on lower diff
It`s all. I think you skiped a lot of vocal part which you can mapped but it`s your map. Good luck.
Xinnoh
Elite Mapper
1,962 posts
Joined April 2014
Topic Starter
Xinnoh

Shirokane Rinko wrote:

Hello!　M4M
  • [Cup]
  1. 00:20:543 - How I saw - you mapped a lot of ticks and skipped it, why? It`s strong beat, You can added note Added a note since it was the only 2/1 gap
  2. 00:24:975 (1) - Strong beat and start of vocal, maybe increase spacing? increased a little, but it's already further than previous gap
  3. 00:27:020 (4,1) - ^ beat how ^ but spacing lower, why? changed slider angle to emphasize 1
  4. 01:02:305 - You can mapped lyrics but it only my opinion no need on cup
  5. 01:08:270 (6,1) - Increase spacing, strong beat but low spacing increased a bit
    Good cup, it`s all
    [Salad]
  6. 00:02:816 - why you skip this sound? no strong sound to follow, eg vocal drum unique sounds
  7. 00:06:907 - ^
  8. 00:16:111 (2,1) - reduce spacing. Song have a lot of sounds with loudy sound but they moments have lower distance did a little
  9. 00:24:634 (6,1) - ^ this is low enough
  10. 00:39:805 (3,4) - reduce distance, it`s can be hard for newbie player applied
  11. 01:17:475 (3,4) - ^
    I think on salad a lot of moments with far distance on quiet sound
    [Platter]
  12. 00:07:077 (4,1) - Added HDash strong beat would add too many hypers, check sc4v's mod
  13. 00:08:441 (4,1) - ^
  14. 00:09:464 (2,3) - ^
  15. 00:09:464 (2,3) - You can mapped vocal part vocal is background here, drums are more important
  16. 00:37:930 (5,1) - HDash maybe? too many
  17. 01:02:475 - 01:02:816 - you can added short spiner if you not mapped vocal part too much for platter
  18. 01:27:702 (1) - added here note how on lower diff there's a spinner though lol
It`s all. I think you skiped a lot of vocal part which you can mapped but it`s your map. Good luck.
Spectator
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
1,843 posts
Joined February 2011
Spectator

Hi_Hello wrote:

M4M
from your queue
these are all suggestions

Kaitlin & Spec's Rain
  1. 00:02:134 (2) - This slider is awkward. May be make this 1/2 reverse slider to emphasize the voice on this timeline 00:02:305 current slider also fits with the vocal as well
  2. 00:13:725 (2,3,4,5) - make this curver to fit with the violin sound okay!
  3. 00:27:020 (3,4,5,6) - this is weird. try ctrl+g then move to x:216
  4. 00:27:617 - i feel there should be a note here.
  5. 00:45:430 (1,2) - awkward distance between these two. make 2 a little distant from 1.
  6. 00:52:930 (1,2) - i prefer circles than sliders. what do you think?
  7. 01:08:526 - add note here. similar with 01:05:714 (4) - added!
beautiful thank you <3

Rain
  1. 00:05:799 - add note here, maybe?
  2. 00:08:611 (1) - this slider is too long. move the tail on to the red tick and add note at 00:09:293 -? It sounds better.
  3. 00:27:191 (4,5,6) - move 5 at x:392, then move 6 at x:232 and make it slighty diagonal.
  4. 00:45:089 (4) - move 4 at x:392
  5. 00:48:668 (2,3) - hdash seems not recommended at this moment.
Yay

Platter below is my weakness.
Good luck with the map!

Sc4v4ng3r wrote:

zzz forum logs me out once i finished my mod aaaaaaa
Will get the mod done later in the day

[General]
  1. Colours where
  2. 01:09:975 (1) - There's a distinguishable cymbals in the song here, should add a finish to show that. Same goes for 01:11:339 (1) - .
[Kaitlin & Spec's Rain]
  1. 00:02:645 (3,1) - Distance feels abnormally low compared to 00:00:259 (1,1) - , would increase the distance.
  2. 00:05:884 (1,2) - The vocals at this point is the weaker compared to notes like 00:09:123 (4,5) - , so only having a clear dash here doesn't make sense to me. Personally I would remove the dash here and add dashes on the later notes, but you can consider to also keep this current dash at add it on the later notes as well.
  3. 00:15:089 (1,2) - Slider is angled at a weird angle, that when it requires the player to dash to (2), which is further than the previous 2 dashes, they are forced to stop a little bit in the middle due to how vertical it is. Would try to make this more horizontal or just go with a more vertical slider, or reduce the distance between these 2 notes.
  4. 00:21:907 (4,1) - Feels underwhelming as a walk compared to 00:27:532 (6,1) - , would rather make this a dash for the downbeat emphasis.
  5. 00:38:100 (7,8,1) - Consecutive hypers of different snaps are unrankable in a Rain. To fix this, (7) > (8) can be a dash instead.
  6. 01:24:123 (2,3) - Don't really think a wiggle is suitable here as the snare isn't anything too special - a clearer 'special' snare sounds are at 01:24:293 (3) - instead imo. Would just flip (2) horizontally.
all fixed from my part, thanks for the mod!

osu file format v14

[General]
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AudioLeadIn: 0
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Countdown: 0
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Title:SHIORI -TV size mix-
TitleUnicode:SHIORI -TV size mix-
Artist:ClariS
ArtistUnicode:ClariS
Creator:Sinnoh
Version:Kaitlin & Spec's Rain
Source:終物語
Tags:Kaitlin Fii -wwwww Spectator Owarimonogatari Monogatari
BeatmapID:1385265
BeatmapSetID:653495

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Dea ex machina
535 posts
Joined January 2014
Dea ex machina

Hi_Hello wrote:

Kaitlin & Spec's Rain
  1. 00:02:134 (2) - This slider is awkward. May be make this 1/2 reverse slider to emphasize the voice on this timeline 00:02:305
  2. 00:13:725 (2,3,4,5) - make this curver to fit with the violin sound
  3. 00:27:020 (3,4,5,6) - this is weird. try ctrl+g then move to x:216 moved them, didn't ctrl g. i don't think it's that weird at all.
  4. 00:27:617 - i feel there should be a note here. added
  5. 00:45:430 (1,2) - awkward distance between these two. make 2 a little distant from 1. ? distance seems fine
  6. 00:52:930 (1,2) - i prefer circles than sliders. what do you think? i really prefer sliders. i think they have a nice aesthetic and aren't totally ruined by hardrock
  7. 01:08:526 - add note here. similar with 01:05:714 (4) -
beautiful
thank you for the mod and compliment :D

Sc4v4ng3r wrote:

[Kaitlin & Spec's Rain]
  1. 00:02:645 (3,1) - Distance feels abnormally low compared to 00:00:259 (1,1) - , would increase the distance.
  2. 00:05:884 (1,2) - The vocals at this point is the weaker compared to notes like 00:09:123 (4,5) - , so only having a clear dash here doesn't make sense to me. Personally I would remove the dash here and add dashes on the later notes, but you can consider to also keep this current dash at add it on the later notes as well.
  3. 00:15:089 (1,2) - Slider is angled at a weird angle, that when it requires the player to dash to (2), which is further than the previous 2 dashes, they are forced to stop a little bit in the middle due to how vertical it is. Would try to make this more horizontal or just go with a more vertical slider, or reduce the distance between these 2 notes.
  4. 00:21:907 (4,1) - Feels underwhelming as a walk compared to 00:27:532 (6,1) - , would rather make this a dash for the downbeat emphasis. you're right, this was unintentional. fixed!
  5. 00:38:100 (7,8,1) - Consecutive hypers of different snaps are unrankable in a Rain. To fix this, (7) > (8) can be a dash instead.
  6. 01:24:123 (2,3) - Don't really think a wiggle is suitable here as the snare isn't anything too special - a clearer 'special' snare sounds are at 01:24:293 (3) - instead imo. Would just flip (2) horizontally. ur right. fixed!
thanks for the mod!

@sinnoh: use this .osu code as it contains spectator's updated parts as well. also, "kaitlin" doesn't need to be in the tags

osu file format v14

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Countdown: 0
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Title:SHIORI -TV size mix-
TitleUnicode:SHIORI -TV size mix-
Artist:ClariS
ArtistUnicode:ClariS
Creator:Sinnoh
Version:Kaitlin & Spec's Rain
Source:終物語
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Xinnoh
Elite Mapper
1,962 posts
Joined April 2014
Topic Starter
Xinnoh
if you're using Kaitlin in the diff name then it should really be in the tags, removed anyway
updated
Ascendance
Elite Mapper
4,252 posts
Joined July 2013
Ascendance
Kaitlin is in the diff name, therefore it can be searched without it being a tag. So she's right :P
celerih
617 posts
Joined July 2014
celerih
I was planning on completing the mod but studying got the best of me so I'll post what I did yesterday. If in a week or two I'm less busy I could always come back and mod both rains.

add "opening op second season 2" to tags

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Cup
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  1. 00:16:111 (3,1) - Reduce distance here a bit, it's high even compared to
  2. 00:26:339 (3) - Maybe increase distance here a tad bit, since the low movement before it makes it easy to overwalk this
  3. 01:05:032 (4,5) - Increase this distance so that distance is equal between 01:04:520 (3,4,5) - like on 01:07:248 (4,5,6) -
  4. 01:18:839 (6,7) - I'd keep this distance consistent here
  5. 01:19:180 (7,1) - and increase distance here to 1.3x for a better contrast

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Salad
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  1. 00:00:430 (1,2) - Maybe give these a small angle to make it more interesting
  2. 00:04:520 (3) - Have this as a 1/1 reverse like 00:01:793 (3) - ?
  3. 00:17:986 (3,4) - Increase distance here so some more contrast. Same can be done on similar things in the map
  4. 00:22:248 (1) - Move this a bit to the left since it's easy to hit the wall dashing
  5. 00:53:057 (4,5) - Shouldn't this just be snapped to 1/3? I might be wrong tho
  6. 01:16:793 (1,2,3) - 2-3 should have a higher spacing than 1-2

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Platter
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  1. 00:02:134 (2) - Shouldn't this mapped as a 1/1?
  2. 00:11:680 (2,3) - and 00:12:020 (3,4) - should increase the 2-3 is walkable and 3-4 feels pretty week
  3. 00:59:748 (2,3) - With the vocals joining in here it would be nice to have a dash

Sorry the platter mod had to be cut a bit short ): I'm a bit too busy. Hopefully I was still of some help
Last edited by celerih , edited 1 time in total.
Xinnoh
Elite Mapper
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Topic Starter
Xinnoh

celerih wrote:

I was planning on completing the mod but studying got the best of me so I'll post what I did yesterday. If in a week or two I'm less busy I could always come back and mod both rains.

add "opening op second season 2" to tags I really don't think anyone is going to specifically search for season two to find this set

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Cup
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  1. 00:16:111 (3,1) - Reduce distance here a bit, it's high even compared to yes
  2. 00:20:543 (2) - Move to ???
  3. 00:26:339 (3) - Maybe increase distance here a tad bit, since the low movement before it makes it easy to overwalk this fix stuff
  4. 01:05:032 (4,5) - Increase this distance so that distance is equal between 01:04:520 (3,4,5) - like on 01:07:248 (4,5,6) - ok
  5. 01:18:839 (6,7) - I'd keep this distance consistent here decreased a little
  6. 01:19:180 (7,1) - and increase distance here to 1.3x for a better contrast did that

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Salad
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  1. 00:00:430 (1,2) - Maybe give these a small angle to make it more interesting low movement good for slow part
  2. 00:04:520 (3) - Have this as a 1/1 reverse like 00:01:793 (3) - ?
  3. 00:17:986 (3,4) - Increase distance here so some more contrast. Same can be done on similar things in the map bit overdoing it for salad, keeping basic spacing + snares aren't too important here
  4. 00:22:248 (1) - Move this a bit to the left since it's easy to hit the wall dashing not sure how but ok
  5. 00:53:057 (4,5) - Shouldn't this just be snapped to 1/3? I might be wrong tho yup, snapping issue when changing offset
  6. 01:16:793 (1,2,3) - 2-3 should have a higher spacing than 1-2 adjusted

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Platter
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  1. 00:02:134 (2) - Shouldn't this mapped as a 1/1? vocal has more variation here
  2. 00:11:680 (2,3) - and 00:12:020 (3,4) - should increase the 2-3 is walkable and 3-4 feels pretty week increased a little
  3. 00:59:748 (2,3) - With the vocals joining in here it would be nice to have a dash that's too many dashes for platter

Sorry the platter mod had to be cut a bit short ): I'm a bit too busy. Hopefully I was still of some help thanks for help :)
JierYagtama
716 posts
Joined November 2015
JierYagtama
a free moddd cos i liek the song
  1. Hmmm you arent gonna colorhax dis? xd
Platter
00:09:975 (3) - Pretty sure this should end here 00:10:486 - sounds like it ends a bit too early imo
00:16:282 (4,5,6,7,8) - hmmm movement here feels a little bit too stacked here maybe move to x:303?
00:16:793 (1) - and if u took my suggestion earlier move this to x:173 to trigger the h-dash
00:17:305 (2) - annnnd this one to make the spacing a little bit equal between 00:16:793 (1,3) -
00:52:248 (1) - feels a little bit too hard to catch in a platter imo. maybe reduce the distance here a little bit here and move it to x:383?
00:52:759 (2) - if you took my suggestion above move this to x:284 so it would still continue the flow and would not be stacked
00:52:930 (3) - also this one by x:185 00:53:270 (4) - annnddd lastly 00:53:270 (4) - x:268

aaa i like this diff has that smooth flow that i would look for and enjoy pleyin.
So far dont really have that much to say since there isnt any other detectable issues i could find here xd

Rain
00:53:270 (4) - wouldctrl j and ctrl h then ofc replace cos the it kinda plays awkardly here imo

nicc pp map probs gonna be my fav rain from u here xd
Collab Rain dessss
Would suggest to point out ur parts so it can be easier for me and you to manage but e xd

00:02:134 (2) - Undermapped imo since theres still sounds that can be mapped in 00:02:305 - which can be both the vocals and piano here
00:27:020 (3,4,5) - not sure if having h-dash then go with a sort of a stacked pattern here is a good idea in movement imo maybe moving 00:27:191 (4) - to x:76 would atleast make the pattern a little bit more comfortable to play here

not much to say but imo the other sort of stream patterns in the 2nd calm section in the song needs a little bit more movement imo
but overall guddd


gl bud
Xinnoh
Elite Mapper
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Xinnoh

JeirYagtama wrote:

a free moddd cos i liek the song
  1. Hmmm you arent gonna colorhax dis? xd
Platter
00:09:975 (3) - Pretty sure this should end here 00:10:486 - sounds like it ends a bit too early imo oops
00:16:282 (4,5,6,7,8) - hmmm movement here feels a little bit too stacked here maybe move to x:303? pattern seems fine tbh
00:16:793 (1) - and if u took my suggestion earlier move this to x:173 to trigger the h-dash
00:17:305 (2) - annnnd this one to make the spacing a little bit equal between 00:16:793 (1,3) - There's a stronger sound on 3, so the gap is slightly larger. Spacing doesn't need to be 100% exact
00:52:248 (1) - feels a little bit too hard to catch in a platter imo. maybe reduce the distance here a little bit here and move it to x:383? yup, fixed
00:52:759 (2) - if you took my suggestion above move this to x:284 so it would still continue the flow and would not be stacked i can adjust stuff ty
00:52:930 (3) - also this one by x:185 00:53:270 (4) - annnddd lastly 00:53:270 (4) - x:268 I just changed slider shape instead of moving the whole pattern,
easier to apply

aaa i like this diff has that smooth flow that i would look for and enjoy pleyin.
So far dont really have that much to say since there isnt any other detectable issues i could find here xd

Rain
00:53:270 (4) - wouldctrl j and ctrl h then ofc replace cos the it kinda plays awkardly here imo this is my go to pattern for small 1/3 sections

nicc pp map probs gonna be my fav rain from u here xd



gl bud ty
small mod
Collab Rain
00:27:361 (5,6) - There's too much of a spacing increase on the slider tail, increase the distance of 5,6 to make this flow better
00:37:248 (4) - NC? Usually done on downbeats
01:14:748 (4,5) - This is pretty much an edge dash
01:20:543 (4) - In the last section, all 1/2 sliders are facing towards the center, which is a bit repetitive. Could you change one or two of them so that there's slider shape variety?
Sorceress
332 posts
Joined September 2012
Sorceress
Hey here with a mod as requested

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Cup
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  1. 00:16:111 (3,1) - I'd increase the distance here a little as it feels noticeably weaker than other strong walks in this diff. Try moving the head of 00:16:793 (1) - to x:136
  2. 00:28:384 (2,3,1) - Lowering the distance between 00:28:384 (2,3) - would help 00:30:430 (1) - to stand out a bit more as the difference in the distances is quite small. Try moving 00:28:384 (2) - to x:328 and also consider tilting 00:28:384 (2) - a bit to add some variance and contrast with 00:29:407 (3) -
  3. 00:37:930 (4,1) - Distance is a little lacking here for a sound like this, try adjusting 00:38:611 (1) - to x:296
  4. 00:53:611 (3,4) - Distance is a little high here but my main worry is that 00:54:293 (4) - is quite far to the left of the playfield. Considering the time and distance between these notes it would be quite easy to not notice where 00:54:293 (4) - is until it's too late. Try moving 00:54:293 (4) - to around x:88, the distance still feels impactful but gives the player a bit more leniency
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Salad
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  1. 00:53:611 (1,2) - Same idea as the cup, there's quite a gap in distance and time so it would be easy to miss this, reducing the distance a bit would be nice
  2. 01:03:157 (1) - Starting this on the complete opposite side of the screen from 01:01:793 (1) - could easily catch a player out at this level. Would be great to adjust the placement or slider shape so this starts a little closer to the centre of the playfield
  3. 01:08:441 (4) - Could delete this note, there's nothing too strong here and I think it would suit the rest of the timeline better without this. It also allows for a more comfortable 1/1 dash to 01:08:611 (1) - rather than a faster 1/2 dash
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  1. 00:02:134 (2,3) - Timeline sounds a little off to me, there's certainly a change in the vocal at 00:02:305 - but it's still the same vocal being held here. I think a better fit here would be a 1/1 slider instead. As for 00:02:645 (3) - the vocal is only held until 00:02:816 - so I'd make this a 1/2 repeater instead
  2. 00:16:111 (3,4) - Distance between these is a little lower than the rest of the walks here, would be nice to up this a little. Try 00:16:282 (4) - at x:320 and adjusting the spacing between 00:16:282 (4,5,6,7,8) - to be about 0.80x ds
  3. 00:37:930 (5) - Considering the direction changes on this the distance on this feels a bit high. I'd tilt this a little more to make this movement a little more comfortable or point this the other way to keep the larger distance but use flowing movements instead.
  4. 00:38:441 - You could get away with adding a note here and creating a hyperdash to 00:38:611 (1) -, would be a good fit though obviously you'd have to rework 00:38:611 (1,2,3) - a little so this isn't an antiflow hyper
  5. 01:07:930 (3,4) - Lower distance between these compared to the earlier notes is really noticeable. Try moving 01:08:270 (4) - to about x:444
  6. 01:22:759 (2,3) - Distance here feels a little ambiguous to play, clarifying this with more/less distance would be great
  7. 01:25:486 (4,5) - Distance between these is a bit uncomfortable. It's a little low for a dash and is pretty much the only place in the song where there is a dash in to a hyperdash which coupled with the direction change is a bit tricky and rather cruel to have at the end of the map. I'd suggest to rework 01:24:975 (1,2,3,4,5) - in to a smooth curve shape and then do a quick Ctrl+H on 01:25:827 (6,7,8,9,10,1) -
  8. 01:27:702 (1) - Sounds to me like the guitar sound comes in a little early on 01:27:617 - or somewhere between that and the white tick. Maybe a better to fit to start this on 01:27:532 - with the vocal?
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Rain
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  1. 00:02:134 (2,3) - Same idea here as mentioned in the Platter essentially swapping the timeline of these around
  2. 00:12:020 (3,4,5,6,1) - I think this would be a better fit for the difficulty and nicer to play with just dashes here and a sole hyperdash to 00:12:702 (1) -
  3. 00:20:714 (5,1) - Distance on this hyper is a bit high, 00:20:884 (1) - is weaker than some other sounds in this section but has a quite a strong hyper. Try move the head on 00:20:884 (1) - to around x:400 to bring it in line
  4. 00:41:850 (2,3,4) - There's a long time spent here just moving in the same direction with no variance in distance, it's a little uninteresting to play. Moving 00:42:532 (4) - to around x:184 and adjusting the shape and position of 00:42:702 (1) - would make this a bit more interesting to play
  5. 00:43:895 (4) - I'd move this closer to 00:43:384 (3) - to increase the intensity of the hyper to 00:44:066 (1) -
  6. 00:50:032 (2,3,4) - Again these series of notes move in the same direction, the distancing is a little more varied this time but still rather bland to play. You could try flipping 00:50:543 (4) - to x:372 and flip 00:50:884 (1) - over to x:96
  7. 00:57:702 (1,2,3,1) - Try starting off with shallow movement on these sliders and increase the movement on each slider to match the buildup here
  8. 01:13:725 (5,6) - Sure you want to use this pattern? It doesn't look too pretty and all the other little stream patterns you've used are much nicer
  9. 01:27:702 (1) - Same as mentioned in the Platter
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Not sure who did what on this but it's a small mod so shouldn't be hard to work with
  1. 00:16:793 (1) - I think a 1/1 c shaped slider would be a better fit here. I can't hear anything on 00:16:964 -
  2. 00:23:952 (2) - SV feels high on this, I often feel like I need to dash to catch the end of this slider. Would be nice to reduce the effective SV on this a little
  3. 00:49:180 (4) - Maybe make this a more vertical slider? Currently feels like this note is emphasised more than the stronger 00:49:520 (1) -
  4. 01:14:748 (4,5) - That's quite a hard dash! This certainly needs a nerf
  5. 01:27:702 (1) - Gonna do a cheeky copy and paste from what I wrote for the Platter. Sounds to me like the guitar sound comes in a little early on 01:27:617 - or somewhere between that and the white tick. Maybe a better to fit to start this on 01:27:532 - with the vocal?

Good luck with your map!
Spectator
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Spectator

JeirYagtama wrote:

a free moddd cos i liek the song
  1. Hmmm you arent gonna colorhax dis? xd
Collab Rain dessss
Would suggest to point out ur parts so it can be easier for me and you to manage but e xd

00:02:134 (2) - Undermapped imo since theres still sounds that can be mapped in 00:02:305 - which can be both the vocals and piano here fixed
00:27:020 (3,4,5) - not sure if having h-dash then go with a sort of a stacked pattern here is a good idea in movement imo maybe moving 00:27:191 (4) - to x:76 would atleast make the pattern a little bit more comfortable to play here

not much to say but imo the other sort of stream patterns in the 2nd calm section in the song needs a little bit more movement imo
but overall guddd


gl bud
Thanks for the mods!

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Xinnoh
Elite Mapper
1,962 posts
Joined April 2014
Topic Starter
Xinnoh

Sorcerer wrote:

Hey here with a mod as requested

[
Cup
]
  1. 00:16:111 (3,1) - I'd increase the distance here a little as it feels noticeably weaker than other strong walks in this diff. Try moving the head of 00:16:793 (1) - to x:136
  2. 00:28:384 (2,3,1) - Lowering the distance between 00:28:384 (2,3) - would help 00:30:430 (1) - to stand out a bit more as the difference in the distances is quite small. Try moving 00:28:384 (2) - to x:328 and also consider tilting 00:28:384 (2) - a bit to add some variance and contrast with 00:29:407 (3) - Done, but I prefer symmetry so keeping the angle
  3. 00:37:930 (4,1) - Distance is a little lacking here for a sound like this, try adjusting 00:38:611 (1) - to x:296
  4. 00:53:611 (3,4) - Distance is a little high here but my main worry is that 00:54:293 (4) - is quite far to the left of the playfield. Considering the time and distance between these notes it would be quite easy to not notice where 00:54:293 (4) - is until it's too late. Try moving 00:54:293 (4) - to around x:88, the distance still feels impactful but gives the player a bit more leniency
[
Salad
]
  1. 00:53:611 (1,2) - Same idea as the cup, there's quite a gap in distance and time so it would be easy to miss this, reducing the distance a bit would be nice
  2. 01:03:157 (1) - Starting this on the complete opposite side of the screen from 01:01:793 (1) - could easily catch a player out at this level. Would be great to adjust the placement or slider shape so this starts a little closer to the centre of the playfield
  3. 01:08:441 (4) - Could delete this note, there's nothing too strong here and I think it would suit the rest of the timeline better without this. It also allows for a more comfortable 1/1 dash to 01:08:611 (1) - rather than a faster 1/2 dash
[
Platter
]
  1. 00:02:134 (2,3) - Timeline sounds a little off to me, there's certainly a change in the vocal at 00:02:305 - but it's still the same vocal being held here. I think a better fit here would be a 1/1 slider instead. As for 00:02:645 (3) - the vocal is only held until 00:02:816 - so I'd make this a 1/2 repeater instead Added more 1/1 sliders, but keeping the original 1/1s because it's just a pattern to lower density
  2. 00:16:111 (3,4) - Distance between these is a little lower than the rest of the walks here, would be nice to up this a little. Try 00:16:282 (4) - at x:320 and adjusting the spacing between 00:16:282 (4,5,6,7,8) - to be about 0.80x ds
  3. 00:37:930 (5) - Considering the direction changes on this the distance on this feels a bit high. I'd tilt this a little more to make this movement a little more comfortable or point this the other way to keep the larger distance but use flowing movements instead.
  4. 00:38:441 - You could get away with adding a note here and creating a hyperdash to 00:38:611 (1) -, would be a good fit though obviously you'd have to rework 00:38:611 (1,2,3) - a little so this isn't an antiflow hyper
  5. 01:07:930 (3,4) - Lower distance between these compared to the earlier notes is really noticeable. Try moving 01:08:270 (4) - to about x:444
  6. 01:22:759 (2,3) - Distance here feels a little ambiguous to play, clarifying this with more/less distance would be great
  7. 01:25:486 (4,5) - Distance between these is a bit uncomfortable. It's a little low for a dash and is pretty much the only place in the song where there is a dash in to a hyperdash which coupled with the direction change is a bit tricky and rather cruel to have at the end of the map. I'd suggest to rework 01:24:975 (1,2,3,4,5) - in to a smooth curve shape and then do a quick Ctrl+H on 01:25:827 (6,7,8,9,10,1) -
  8. 01:27:702 (1) - Sounds to me like the guitar sound comes in a little early on 01:27:617 - or somewhere between that and the white tick. Maybe a better to fit to start this on 01:27:532 - with the vocal? imo fine as is
[
Rain
]
  1. 00:02:134 (2,3) - Same idea here as mentioned in the Platter essentially swapping the timeline of these around I prefer this pattern
  2. 00:12:020 (3,4,5,6,1) - I think this would be a better fit for the difficulty and nicer to play with just dashes here and a sole hyperdash to 00:12:702 (1) - hyperdashes are clearer to follow than edge dashes
  3. 00:20:714 (5,1) - Distance on this hyper is a bit high, 00:20:884 (1) - is weaker than some other sounds in this section but has a quite a strong hyper. Try move the head on 00:20:884 (1) - to around x:400 to bring it in line
  4. 00:41:850 (2,3,4) - There's a long time spent here just moving in the same direction with no variance in distance, it's a little uninteresting to play. Moving 00:42:532 (4) - to around x:184 and adjusting the shape and position of 00:42:702 (1) - would make this a bit more interesting to play
  5. 00:43:895 (4) - I'd move this closer to 00:43:384 (3) - to increase the intensity of the hyper to 00:44:066 (1) -
  6. 00:50:032 (2,3,4) - Again these series of notes move in the same direction, the distancing is a little more varied this time but still rather bland to play. You could try flipping 00:50:543 (4) - to x:372 and flip 00:50:884 (1) - over to x:96 this one is fine
  7. 00:57:702 (1,2,3,1) - Try starting off with shallow movement on these sliders and increase the movement on each slider to match the buildup here great suggestion
  8. 01:13:725 (5,6) - Sure you want to use this pattern? It doesn't look too pretty and all the other little stream patterns you've used are much nicer
  9. 01:27:702 (1) - Same as mentioned in the Platter

Good luck with your map!
Thank you! Sorcerer for bn pls :)
Dea ex machina
535 posts
Joined January 2014
Dea ex machina

JeirYagtama wrote:

Collab Rain dessss
Would suggest to point out ur parts so it can be easier for me and you to manage but e xd

00:02:134 (2) - Undermapped imo since theres still sounds that can be mapped in 00:02:305 - which can be both the vocals and piano here
00:27:020 (3,4,5) - not sure if having h-dash then go with a sort of a stacked pattern here is a good idea in movement imo maybe moving 00:27:191 (4) - to x:76 would atleast make the pattern a little bit more comfortable to play here i think the flow using the curve is comfortable already :(

Sinnoh wrote:

small mod
Collab Rain
00:27:361 (5,6) - There's too much of a spacing increase on the slider tail, increase the distance of 5,6 to make this flow better ok
00:37:248 (4) - NC? Usually done on downbeats
01:14:748 (4,5) - This is pretty much an edge dash fixed
01:20:543 (4) - In the last section, all 1/2 sliders are facing towards the center, which is a bit repetitive. Could you change one or two of them so that there's slider shape variety? i don't think there's an appropriate place to use a slider facing outwards that i haven't already done

Sorcerer wrote:

[
Kaitlin & Spec's Rain
]
Not sure who did what on this but it's a small mod so shouldn't be hard to work with
  1. 00:16:793 (1) - I think a 1/1 c shaped slider would be a better fit here. I can't hear anything on 00:16:964 - ok
  2. 00:23:952 (2) - SV feels high on this, I often feel like I need to dash to catch the end of this slider. Would be nice to reduce the effective SV on this a little made the slider curve more at the end
  3. 00:49:180 (4) - Maybe make this a more vertical slider? Currently feels like this note is emphasised more than the stronger 00:49:520 (1) - okie dokie
  4. 01:14:748 (4,5) - That's quite a hard dash! This certainly needs a nerf fixed from sinnoh's mod :))
  5. 01:27:702 (1) - Gonna do a cheeky copy and paste from what I wrote for the Platter. Sounds to me like the guitar sound comes in a little early on 01:27:617 - or somewhere between that and the white tick. Maybe a better to fit to start this on 01:27:532 - with the vocal? sinnoh didn't change his, so keeping ours like this for consistency
Good luck with your map!
thank you all for the mods!

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Xinnoh
Elite Mapper
1,962 posts
Joined April 2014
Topic Starter
Xinnoh
updated!
Ascendance
Elite Mapper
4,252 posts
Joined July 2013
Ascendance
oh boy my favorite mappers and sinnoh

checking unrankables is for 2016 kids we in 2017 bitch

cup:
  1. turn down your fucking sv what the hell is this shit
  2. yea ok please turn it down if u have to do this there is a mistake 00:08:611 (1) -
  3. 00:19:520 (1) - x:200 feels better for me, seems far rn
  4. 00:21:566 (4,1) - im tilted plz make them the same shape or at least make a nicer curve
  5. 00:34:520 (4,5) - i seek death
  6. 01:04:520 (3,4,5) - not a fan of these structures in a cup, just a 3/2 repeat slider would work for these
  7. ok it plays fine but the sv is whack and the kiai is dense
salad:
  1. from the beginning until 00:11:339 - all dashes are on the right side lets fix that up
  2. 00:35:202 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - no breaks ? tooooo dense
  3. 00:52:930 (3,4,5,6) - not recommended for a salad
  4. 00:57:702 - you used a spinner here for cup so you should probably do it for salad too
  5. if you don't, 00:59:748 (2) - is really ugly and needs to be fixed. the shape is bad and ends too close to the wall.
  6. 01:24:975 - add a note here and push the spinner 1/2 back
  7. difficulty is way too dense compared to the cup. needs to be chopped up a lot
platter:
  1. 00:02:305 - slider should probably start here since there's another syllable and it's held and you could make 00:02:134 - a circle
  2. 00:09:464 (2,3) - no hdashes until here randomly why
  3. 00:14:066 (1,2,3) - could use a 3-4 grid reduction, a bit too far for me
  4. 00:59:748 (2,3) - a bit too cramped, 01:00:089 (3) - x314 would be ok. also a slight move away from the wall for 01:00:430 (1) - and some tilt is nice too.
  5. 01:06:907 (4) - strong noise and complete standstill out of a big movement is a question mark for me
  6. starting from this difficulty, the spinner at 01:27:702 (1) - is inconsistent with the salad and cup. idk why tho lol
rain:
  1. 00:10:827 (3,4) - squished against the wall, move it away plz
  2. 00:12:191 (4,5,6,1) - this is definitely a nono tbh, rains shouldn't require such precise movements at all. just one hdash between the last notes is fine
  3. 00:13:725 (2,3,4,5) - reduce spacing, this acceleration into the next note is cancer for sure
  4. 00:30:430 (1) - wall
  5. 00:52:930 (3,4) - 4 being antiflow plays like butt, just reverse that shit
  6. 00:57:702 (1,2) - definitely needs a reduction of maybe 4-6 grids
  7. 01:13:725 (5,6,7,8) - you have two gods of aesthetic mapping on your set and you made this
  8. nice diff but so much near the wall and that stream is death
im in la where are you guys:
  1. 00:02:645 (4) - not a fan of the curve, a standard c would be nice. additionally, some distance between 00:02:645 (4,1) - would be helpful.
  2. 00:05:032 (2) - try x162 for a bit more emphasis
  3. 00:06:566 (2,1) - there's a huge sound on 1 and it's pretty much a standstill between these two, definitely needs some fixing to better appropriate the emphasis of this section
  4. 00:08:270 (3,1) - could use an hdash considering you use it at 00:09:634 (6,1) -
  5. 00:14:407 (2,1) - ah the edge dash feeling
  6. 00:14:918 (2,1) - ah the edge dash feeling (2)
  7. 00:24:975 (1) - no thanks, please just try something like this
  8. 00:27:020 (3,4,5,6,1) - definitely needs some curve here, can catch 3,4,5 without moving
  9. 00:32:475 (3,4,5,6) - too close to the wall and not enough curved movement
  10. 00:53:611 (1,1) - pretty large distance for a rain, could be reduced for sure
  11. 01:02:305 (1,1) - whystandstillwhystandstillwhystandstill BIG EMPHASIS no movement
  12. good diff but there was a lot of silly stuff that i didn't really expect when i think of a spectator and fii collab
gl
Xinnoh
Elite Mapper
1,962 posts
Joined April 2014
Topic Starter
Xinnoh
Here lie's Ascendance's hopes and dreams of becoming a bn

Ascendance wrote:

oh boy my favorite mappers and sinnoh something something code of conduct

checking unrankables is for 2016 kids we in 2017 bitch

cup:
  1. turn down your fucking sv what the hell is this shit does this improve anything
  2. yea ok please turn it down if u have to do this there is a mistake 00:08:611 (1) - ???
  3. 00:19:520 (1) - x:200 feels better for me, seems far rn ok
  4. 00:21:566 (4,1) - im tilted plz make them the same shape or at least make a nicer curve
  5. 00:34:520 (4,5) - i seek death
  6. 01:04:520 (3,4,5) - not a fan of these structures in a cup, just a 3/2 repeat slider would work for these the held vocals are too strong for me to ignore +
    it's reasonable to increase density a bit after player gets used to playing ctb
  7. ok it plays fine but the sv is whack and the kiai is dense
salad:
  1. from the beginning until 00:11:339 - all dashes are on the right side lets fix that up 00:05:884 (1) - is on the left side
  2. 00:35:202 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - no breaks ? tooooo dense fixed
  3. 00:52:930 (3,4,5,6) - not recommended for a salad there's no reasoning, it's very subjective and I don't see why it should change
  4. 00:57:702 - you used a spinner here for cup so you should probably do it for salad too no?
  5. if you don't, 00:59:748 (2) - is really ugly and needs to be fixed. the shape is bad and ends too close to the wall. this is pretty much the same as all of my other sliders
  6. 01:24:975 - add a note here and push the spinner 1/2 back i prefer as is, else spinner is too short
  7. difficulty is way too dense compared to the cup. needs to be chopped up a lot you only gave one specific point why
platter:
  1. 00:02:305 - slider should probably start here since there's another syllable and it's held and you could make 00:02:134 - a circle
  2. 00:09:464 (2,3) - no hdashes until here randomly why removed
  3. 00:14:066 (1,2,3) - could use a 3-4 grid reduction, a bit too far for me reduced
  4. 00:59:748 (2,3) - a bit too cramped, 01:00:089 (3) - x314 would be ok. also a slight move away from the wall for 01:00:430 (1) - and some tilt is nice too. both done
  5. 01:06:907 (4) - strong noise and complete standstill out of a big movement is a question mark for me new vocal contrasts previous movements
  6. starting from this difficulty, the spinner at 01:27:702 (1) - is inconsistent with the salad and cup. idk why tho lol different patterns fit different density
rain:
  1. 00:10:827 (3,4) - squished against the wall, move it away plz it just got a lot harder without the hdash but ok
  2. 00:12:191 (4,5,6,1) - this is definitely a nono tbh, rains shouldn't require such precise movements at all. just one hdash between the last notes is fine made it harder but applied
  3. 00:13:725 (2,3,4,5) - reduce spacing, this acceleration into the next note is cancer for sure thanks
  4. 00:30:430 (1) - wall changed
  5. 00:52:930 (3,4) - 4 being antiflow plays like butt, just reverse that shit you play like butt
  6. 00:57:702 (1,2) - definitely needs a reduction of maybe 4-6 grids ok
  7. 01:13:725 (5,6,7,8) - you have two gods of aesthetic mapping on your set and you made this and their diff affects mine because?
  8. nice diff but so much near the wall and that stream is death
Nokashi
304 posts
Joined December 2014
Nokashi
Hello!!

First check as BN Hype

General
  1. Consider adding "ending" to tags, for convenience's sake, since it could be a word this map might get searched with, as thisis the ending of the respective anime

Cup
  1. 00:08:611 (1) - Regarding this object, even though I like the movement it expresses, it feels offputting to me to have 00:09:975 - this sound land on a sliderend, with no movement leading to it whatsoever. It also contrasts with with the previous pattern a bit, which utilized a rhythm that made 00:07:248 - stand out more
  2. 00:23:611 (4,5) - If you wanted to have one of these sliders be more movement restristing that the other, I would suggest ctrl-g'ing the rhythm here. If I were you I would keep both sliders to a relatively horizontal state shape wise , since the vocal doesnt die down or anything, and extra movement is always nice in cups
  3. 00:26:168 - Personally I would consider mapping this note. Might seem too dense to you but when this note connects the verse together so theres more coherence with how you follow vocals
  4. 00:27:020 (4) - I dont really agree with this somewhat vertical slider though. Looking back at how you handled sliders with this bell/chime sound effect on them here 00:21:566 (4) - it would be more consistent to me for this to have more movement to it to emphasize the sound
  5. 00:31:793 (3,4) - A similar vocal was expressed in the previous pattern with horizontal placements offering more movement so its kinda awkward to limit the movement here with vertical slider placements. Added to that, consider this rhythm for the certain part instead. Ticker starting on 00:31:452 -
  6. 00:35:202 (8,1) - I find this rather underemphasized. Most of your jumps to dowbeats were in the 1.20x-1.40x DS range but this drops to 0.94x DS. Would be nice to see more spacing here
  7. 00:41:339 (1,2) - These 2 could benefit from a 0.10-0.15x DS increase considering the vocal strength the express and the overall pace of this part
  8. 01:07:248 (4,5,6) - Really like the rhythm here however more movement could be encouraged to better express the intensity of this part
  9. 01:16:452 (7,1) - Would offer nice emphasis if there was a direction change here instead of a linear movement that contrasts the previous 4 circle pattern
  10. 01:23:611 (3,4) - As the climax to the kiai it seems lackluster to me to have such weak movement. I would consider more horizontal sliders instead
Overall pretty clean cup!

Salad
  1. 00:15:600 (1,2) - these 2 sliders have a more energetic 1/2 to them rather than 1/1, so I would recommend mapping the 1/2 instead, either in the form of slider -> circle or a 1/2 reverse. Up to you
  2. 00:28:895 (3,4) - 00:31:452 (3,1) - 00:34:350 (3,1) - 00:32:986 (5,1) - 00:35:714 (5,1) - : Regarding those dashes, i would recommend a small distance increase, right now they at the point where they could be walked, but also if they are dashes, the curved nature of the following slider could result in droplet drops. Since they stand of the minimum distancing for dashing, a powerful dash might knock the player a bit off course. tried with 0.5-0.10x DS increase and was pretty neat
  3. 00:59:748 (2) - This kinda ruined it for me in a sense that you executed the build up in a really nice way and then this slider kills all accumulated movement due to its vertical nature. Id suggest reconsidering its placement
  4. 01:22:930 (2) - I'd suggest the more spaced triple variant here to better emphasize the vocal buildup
Woah, I really like this salad!

Platter
  1. 00:11:339 - Up to here, you should definitely reconsider your HDash structure. Ever since your introduced the HDash on a well deserved sound, 3 more similar sounds appeared, which were either normal dash or borderline walks (00:07:248 - 00:08:611 - 00:09:975 - ). I would justify if you used 2/1 HDash structure if you thought 1/1 HDash structure would be too dense, however here you only placed one HDash. Consider adding another HDash here 00:08:441 (4,1) - ( 2/1 HDash structure) or on all the previously mentioned timestamps (1/1 structure)
  2. 00:16:111 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - The editor is quite constricting towards expanding this pattern more, but i think a more distanced movement towards (4) would emphasize the climax of the buildup well. Maybe a curve on the stream will allow just that?
  3. 00:28:895 (4,1) - 00:31:452 (3,1) - 00:34:180 (4,1) - Even though these arent HDash, they should still be more prominent dashes. A Distance buff would help them be just that!
  4. 00:37:759 (4,5) - I wouldnt really connect this with the previous 4 note string as it is relatively strong, a larger distance here would accentuate its strength better
  5. 01:07:248 (1,2,3,4) - I'd expect something more intense here, considering the fact that you used a really similar pattern in the beginning of the platter here00:11:339 (1,2,3,4) - , which was a relatively weaker spot. As such, more horizontality and emphasis on more movement in the slider would help this pattern in the kiai to stand out more
  6. 01:24:975 (1,2,3,4,5) - Again here, something more intense to finish off the climax of the song would be more fitting
Overall, really nice platter as well, just that structure inconsistency in the beginning, but other than that, neato

Rain
  1. 00:12:361 (5) - Consider moving this to somwhere like x:339 to remove some emphasis on the previous normal dash and istead place more on the HDash
  2. 00:16:111 (2,3) - This is somewhat underwhelming as a movement, id suggest increasing it to emphasize this strong sound more, as with all the others in this sequence
  3. 00:32:475 (3,4) - Would be more interesting if there was more movement incorporated here, something more than a vertical slider.
  4. 00:52:930 (3,4) - Consider spread these out more on the playfield, right now they have some potential to bring out this 1/3 rhythm thats new to the song, but they are visually cluttered making it hard to do so
  5. 01:11:680 (2,3) - Also HDash here would play nicely and follow the same pattern as 01:10:657 (3) - which also had a HDash leading up to it
neat

Kaitlin & Spec's Rain

Spectator


  1. 00:05:543 - Leaving this unmapped removes all possible emphasis on 00:05:884 (1) - and the possibility of a really nice HDash to lead to 00:05:884 (1) - . As such i would recommend a 1/2 slider starting here 00:05:543 - followed by a HDash
  2. 00:08:270 (3,1) - Well, since 00:09:634 (6,1) - is a HDash, the fact that 00:08:270 (3,1) - doesnt make the buildup that nice, you could either turn 00:08:270 (3,1) - in to a normal dash, or a HDash as well. Up to you
  3. 00:14:918 (2,1) - In order to better map the buildup you could turn this into a HDash.
  4. 00:15:600 (3) - Also, in order to be consistent with your NC structure here, This should be NCed, will also help avoid some unwanted object clutter during the stream here 00:16:111 (4,5,6,7,8,9) -
  5. 00:32:475 (3,4,5,6) - Would have hoped to see a more dynamic movement here when mapping the vocals. Maybe a more horizontal slider or something
  6. 00:34:009 - Seems awkward that this is not mapped, circle would fit nicely and improve the overall flow
  7. 01:01:452 (7,8) - I'd Personally slant these by 10-15 degrees ( 01:01:452 (7) : -15 degrees, 01:01:623 (8) : 15 degrees for example) a bit so they are more vertical, having such a sharp placement after a strainful jump section could result in some sad drops.
  8. 01:12:361 (4,5) - Slight distancing buff here will improve flow and emphasize this movement that part of a really intense pattern
Kaitlin


  1. 00:24:975 (1) - more movement would be nice here. This slider plays almost like a standstill and that doesnt really reflect the vocals nicely
  2. 00:39:975 (1,2,3,4) - Since you do follow vocal, I would turn this into 2 1/2 sliders and offer a bit more movement inbetween, as a way to group the vocal sounds
  3. 01:24:123 (2,3) - I find this really forced a movement, could be how vertical (3), resulting in a really snappy movement from the previous HDash, I would consider making it a bit more horizontal to ease the movement

Very nice Set, apply these and then you may call me back!
Spectator
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
1,843 posts
Joined February 2011
Spectator

Nokashi wrote:

Hello!!

First check as BN Hype

Kaitlin & Spec's Rain

Spectator


  1. 00:05:543 - Leaving this unmapped removes all possible emphasis on 00:05:884 (1) - and the possibility of a really nice HDash to lead to 00:05:884 (1) - . As such i would recommend a 1/2 slider starting here 00:05:543 - followed by a HDash Fixed but without HDash since I want to keep it without
  2. 00:08:270 (3,1) - Well, since 00:09:634 (6,1) - is a HDash, the fact that 00:08:270 (3,1) - doesnt make the buildup that nice, you could either turn 00:08:270 (3,1) - in to a normal dash, or a HDash as well. Up to you Added a clear jump!
  3. 00:14:918 (2,1) - In order to better map the buildup you could turn this into a HDash. Sure
  4. 00:15:600 (3) - Also, in order to be consistent with your NC structure here, This should be NCed, will also help avoid some unwanted object clutter during the stream here 00:16:111 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - Done!
  5. 00:32:475 (3,4,5,6) - Would have hoped to see a more dynamic movement here when mapping the vocals. Maybe a more horizontal slider or something Fixed
  6. 00:34:009 - Seems awkward that this is not mapped, circle would fit nicely and improve the overall flow There's a clear break of vocal between them so I'd like to keep it for now
  7. 01:01:452 (7,8) - I'd Personally slant these by 10-15 degrees ( 01:01:452 (7) : -15 degrees, 01:01:623 (8) : 15 degrees for example) a bit so they are more vertical, having such a sharp placement after a strainful jump section could result in some sad drops. Done
  8. 01:12:361 (4,5) - Slight distancing buff here will improve flow and emphasize this movement that part of a really intense pattern Yep sure

Very nice Set, apply these and then you may call me back!
Thanks for the mod!

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Xinnoh
Elite Mapper
1,962 posts
Joined April 2014
Topic Starter
Xinnoh

Nokashi wrote:

Hello!!

First check as BN Hype

General
  1. Consider adding "ending" to tags, for convenience's sake, since it could be a word this map might get searched with, as thisis the ending of the respective anime

Cup
  1. 00:08:611 (1) - Regarding this object, even though I like the movement it expresses, it feels offputting to me to have 00:09:975 - this sound land on a sliderend, with no movement leading to it whatsoever. It also contrasts with with the previous pattern a bit, which utilized a rhythm that made 00:07:248 - stand out more dude it’s just rhythm variation, almost nothing changes since there’s so little density that having object is enough to emphasise.
  2. 00:23:611 (4,5) - If you wanted to have one of these sliders be more movement restricting that the other, I would suggest ctrl-g'ing the rhythm here. If I were you I would keep both sliders to a relatively horizontal state shape wise , since the vocal doesnt die down or anything, and extra movement is always nice in cups I don’t understand how this improves anything :x
  3. 00:26:168 - Personally I would consider mapping this note. Might seem too dense to you but when this note connects the verse together so theres more coherence with how you follow vocals better consistency with the next section
  4. 00:27:020 (4) - I dont really agree with this somewhat vertical slider though. Looking back at how you handled sliders with this bell/chime sound effect on them here 00:21:566 (4) - it would be more consistent to me for this to have more movement to it to emphasize the sound vocal is decreasing intensity here
  5. 00:31:793 (3,4) - A similar vocal was expressed in the previous pattern with horizontal placements offering more movement so its kinda awkward to limit the movement here with vertical slider placements. Added to that, consider this rhythm for the certain part instead. Ticker starting on 00:31:452 - Having these also be horizontal is wayy to repetitive.
  6. 00:35:202 (8,1) - I find this rather underemphasized. Most of your jumps to downbeats were in the 1.20x-1.40x DS range but this drops to 0.94x DS. Would be nice to see more spacing here that’s the point, vocal decreases intensity.
  7. 00:41:339 (1,2) - These 2 could benefit from a 0.10-0.15x DS increase considering the vocal strength the express and the overall pace of this part sure
  8. 01:07:248 (4,5,6) - Really like the rhythm here however more movement could be encouraged to better express the intensity of this part Rhythm increases so spacing decreases, if I spike both rhythm and spacing it’s too hard.
  9. 01:16:452 (7,1) - Would offer nice emphasis if there was a direction change here instead of a linear movement that contrasts the previous 4 circle pattern The pattern is already doing this??
  10. 01:23:611 (3,4) - As the climax to the kiai it seems lackluster to me to have such weak movement. I would consider more horizontal sliders instead would be too repetitive
Overall pretty clean cup!

Salad
  1. 00:15:600 (1,2) - these 2 sliders have a more energetic 1/2 to them rather than 1/1, so I would recommend mapping the 1/2 instead, either in the form of slider -> circle or a 1/2 reverse. Up to you sure
  2. 00:28:895 (3,4) - 00:31:452 (3,1) - 00:34:350 (3,1) - 00:32:986 (5,1) - 00:35:714 (5,1) - : Regarding those dashes, i would recommend a small distance increase, right now they at the point where they could be walked, but also if they are dashes, the curved nature of the following slider could result in droplet drops. Since they stand of the minimum distancing for dashing, a powerful dash might knock the player a bit off course. tried with 0.5-0.10x DS increase and was pretty neat It is humanly possible to walk, but no one is going to do that. Keeping slightly low for playability
  3. 00:59:748 (2) - This kinda ruined it for me in a sense that you executed the build up in a really nice way and then this slider kills all accumulated movement due to its vertical nature. Id suggest reconsidering its placement changed
  4. 01:22:930 (2) - I'd suggest the more spaced triple variant here to better emphasize the vocal buildup [btilted slider a bit[/b]
Woah, I really like this salad!

Platter
  1. 00:11:339 - Up to here, you should definitely reconsider your HDash structure. Ever since your introduced the HDash on a well deserved sound, 3 more similar sounds appeared, which were either normal dash or borderline walks (00:07:248 - 00:08:611 - 00:09:975 - ). I would justify if you used 2/1 HDash structure if you thought 1/1 HDash structure would be too dense, however here you only placed one HDash. Consider adding another HDash here 00:08:441 (4,1) - ( 2/1 HDash structure) or on all the previously mentioned timestamps (1/1 structure) pls read sc4v’s mod, intentionally nerfed for platter purposes
  2. 00:16:111 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - The editor is quite constricting towards expanding this pattern more, but i think a more distanced movement towards (4) would emphasize the climax of the buildup well. Maybe a curve on the stream will allow just that? prefer the way the pattern plays
  3. 00:28:895 (4,1) - 00:31:452 (3,1) - 00:34:180 (4,1) - Even though these arent HDash, they should still be more prominent dashes. A Distance buff would help them be just that! increased a little, third is fine
  4. 00:37:759 (4,5) - I wouldnt really connect this with the previous 4 note string as it is relatively strong, a larger distance here would accentuate its strength better They aren’t connected because you changed direction on 5
  5. 01:07:248 (1,2,3,4) - I'd expect something more intense here, considering the fact that you used a really similar pattern in the beginning of the platter here00:11:339 (1,2,3,4) - , which was a relatively weaker spot. As such, more horizontality and emphasis on more movement in the slider would help this pattern in the kiai to stand out more already had to nerf this section for playability, buffing would be too hard.
  6. 01:24:975 (1,2,3,4,5) - Again here, something more intense to finish off the climax of the song would be more fitting unique pattern is enough emphasis
Overall, really nice platter as well, just that structure inconsistency in the beginning, but other than that, neato

Rain
  1. 00:12:361 (5) - Consider moving this to somwhere like x:339 to remove some emphasis on the previous normal dash and istead place more on the HDash it's a buildup, this used to be an h-dash
  2. 00:16:111 (2,3) - This is somewhat underwhelming as a movement, id suggest increasing it to emphasize this strong sound more, as with all the others in this sequence ok
  3. 00:32:475 (3,4) - Would be more interesting if there was more movement incorporated here, something more than a vertical slider. too many things to follow, prefer as is.
  4. 00:52:930 (3,4) - Consider spread these out more on the playfield, right now they have some potential to bring out this 1/3 rhythm thats new to the song, but they are visually cluttered making it hard to do so I only map random 1/3 bits with this pattern, 00:52:930 (3) - introduces the 1/3 rhythm, 00:53:270 (4) - makes you apply active 1/3 button mashing by doing a turnaround in the middle.
  5. 01:11:680 (2,3) - Also HDash here would play nicely and follow the same pattern as 01:10:657 (3) - which also had a HDash leading up to it vocal decreasing intensity + no violin change here
neat


Very nice Set, apply these and then you may call me back!
Dea ex machina
535 posts
Joined January 2014
Dea ex machina

Nokashi wrote:

Kaitlin & Spec's Rain

Kaitlin


  1. 00:24:975 (1) - more movement would be nice here. This slider plays almost like a standstill and that doesnt really reflect the vocals nicely fix
  2. 00:39:975 (1,2,3,4) - Since you do follow vocal, I would turn this into 2 1/2 sliders and offer a bit more movement inbetween, as a way to group the vocal sounds im a fan of the curved circle idea i used, i think two 1/2 sliders really makes it seem bulky, not a fan
  3. 01:24:123 (2,3) - I find this really forced a movement, could be how vertical (3), resulting in a really snappy movement from the previous HDash, I would consider making it a bit more horizontal to ease the movement done

Very nice Set, apply these and then you may call me back!
thx 4 mod

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Nokashi
304 posts
Joined December 2014
Nokashi
Changes Look good! Bubbled!
Hareimu
624 posts
Joined March 2014
Hareimu
popping the bubble until sinnoh can actually update the diffs with changes applied
Nokashi
304 posts
Joined December 2014
Nokashi
Not sure what happened there but i swear i saw some changes...incredibly sorry for the inconvenience..
Spectator
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
1,843 posts
Joined February 2011
Spectator

Ascendance wrote:

oh boy my favorite mappers and sinnoh

checking unrankables is for 2016 kids we in 2017 bitch

im in la where are you guys:
  1. 00:02:645 (4) - not a fan of the curve, a standard c would be nice. additionally, some distance between 00:02:645 (4,1) - would be helpful. looking fine to me
  2. 00:05:032 (2) - try x162 for a bit more emphasis k
  3. 00:06:566 (2,1) - there's a huge sound on 1 and it's pretty much a standstill between these two, definitely needs some fixing to better appropriate the emphasis of this section sure
  4. 00:08:270 (3,1) - could use an hdash considering you use it at 00:09:634 (6,1) - fixed
  5. 00:14:407 (2,1) - ah the edge dash feeling
  6. 00:14:918 (2,1) - ah the edge dash feeling (2) should be fine now
  7. 00:24:975 (1) - no thanks, please just try something like this
  8. 00:27:020 (3,4,5,6,1) - definitely needs some curve here, can catch 3,4,5 without moving
  9. 00:32:475 (3,4,5,6) - too close to the wall and not enough curved movement fixed
  10. 00:53:611 (1,1) - pretty large distance for a rain, could be reduced for sure
  11. 01:02:305 (1,1) - whystandstillwhystandstillwhystandstill BIG EMPHASIS no movement because no movement can also be an emphasis
  12. good diff but there was a lot of silly stuff that i didn't really expect when i think of a spectator and fii collab
gl
thanks for mod!

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Dea ex machina
535 posts
Joined January 2014
Dea ex machina

Ascendance wrote:

im in la where are you guys:
  1. 00:24:975 (1) - no thanks, please just try something like this already changed that
  2. 00:27:020 (3,4,5,6,1) - definitely needs some curve here, can catch 3,4,5 without moving the slowdown and gentle gradual curve is a nice effect going into the next pattern
  3. 00:53:611 (1,1) - pretty large distance for a rain, could be reduced for sure i tried a few different distances and none of them made a noticeable impact, the current one seems to be fine for me,.
thanks
Xinnoh
Elite Mapper
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Joined April 2014
Topic Starter
Xinnoh
updated
Nokashi
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Joined December 2014
Nokashi
We are back on track! Apologies yet again..
ZiRoX
Elite Mapper
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Joined November 2009
ZiRoX
hello, testing
ZiRoX
Elite Mapper
1,052 posts
Joined November 2009
ZiRoX
Popping mainly due to weird rhythm and emphasis choices in both Rains.

Time to check (for a 2nd time, thanks forum)

[Cup]
  1. My main concern is that the non-Kiai sections have a lot of constant movement. Some sliders require near perfect walking depending on the timing of the player, and some of them are even coupled with antiflow movements. Therefore, I suggest decreasing the SV multiplier in non-Kiai sections and also decreasing the overall spacing by some 0.10-0.15x DS.
  2. 01:27:702 (1) - I'd move this a bit to the right to add some leniency should players take the route to the rightmost banana at the end.
[Salad]
  1. On the section starting at 00:27:702 -, I don't think any of the 1/2 dashes are necessary (e.g. 00:28:895 (3,4) - and 00:32:986 (5,1) -). I think that turning them into 1/1 dashes is enough, considering this thing alone doubles the dash density in comparison to the previous section.
  2. 00:30:941 (2,3) - I'd think it'd be best to replace this with a 1/1 slider between the white ticks for consistency with the rest of the section.
  3. 00:53:611 (1,2) - This is a really tight walk after the previous dash, so I suggest putting (2) closer to the previous object.
  4. 00:53:611 (1,2) - 00:53:611 (1,2) - I suggest mapping these 2 beats, as they will allow you to put a dash to 01:03:157 (1) - which will make a more impactful beginning of the Kiai.
  5. 01:03:839 (2,3) - 01:06:907 (4,1) - 01:14:748 (3,4) - These should have larger distances to promote the dash. We're in the Kiai already so having a dash every 2/1 as in previous sections would feel better.
[Platter]
  1. 00:02:134 (2,3) - For these I suggest using the timeline below, as it follows the vocals slightly better (note: you can also map the white tick):
  2. 00:04:520 (1) - I don't think the antiflow slider fits with the overall patterning of this section; I'd go for a curved slider like all the rest.
  3. 00:05:032 (2,3) - I suggest swapping the position of these (i.e. having the 1/1 slider first) as it follows the vocals better.
  4. 00:15:430 (1,2) - Personally I'd prefer if this followed a normal flow movement.
  5. 00:17:475 (3,4,1) - I think the dash should be between (4,1) instead of (3,4). While there's a strong drum sound on that red tick, it's nearly on par with the one on the white tick and, therefore, I think the dash to the downbeat would be more reasonable as it's more expected during gameplay. Also applies for other parts like 00:20:202 (3,4,1) - and 00:22:930 (3,4,1) - .
  6. 00:19:520 (1,2,3) - I'd reduce the horizontal movement in this pattern a bit, it can be a bit tricky to get the droplets on the sliders. Same stuff applies on 00:22:248 (1,2,3) - .
  7. 00:20:884 (1,2) - This requires a really tight timing in order to do it with a walk. I'd make the slider more slanted. This can also tie-in with the next suggestion.
  8. 00:21:395 (2,3) - While there's is a bell sound that sort of justifies the dash, I think it's not strong enough to break consistency and have a dash every 2/1 instead of every 4/1 for this stanza.
  9. 00:48:668 (2,3) - I think these notes aren't necessary at all, and actually deleting them could allow you to place a stronger 1/1 dash rather than a "shy" 1/2 one, which emphasizes the vocals better.
  10. 00:54:293 (2,3) - While I get that the vocals' intensity is decreasing, this distance is rather underwhelming. I'd move (3) further from the previous object.
  11. 01:02:816 - Similar to the Salad, mapping this would allow you to add a dash/HDash to the next object, leading to a more impactful beginning of the Kiai.
  12. 01:04:520 (1,2) - This could have a bit more distance to emphasize the vocals a bit better.
  13. 01:06:395 (2,3) - I think it would be better to replace this with a 1/1 slider, to follow the vocals a bit more closely.
  14. 01:07:248 (1,2,3,4) - I think these should have more distance, the current distances don't emphasize the strong sounds that much.
  15. 01:11:339 (1,2,3,4) - I think these distances are a bit ambiguous? Maybe you could decrease (1,2) and increase (2,3) to add more emphasis to this part.
  16. 01:12:361 (4,1,2,3) - This is a bit awkward to play, since the distances are a bit ambiguous and that comes after a hyperdash onto a vertical slider. I think you can slant (1) a bit by moving its head to the left, and also make the distances after a bit larger to properly induce players to dash. A similar issue appears at 01:18:157 (1,2) - .
  17. 01:15:430 (1,2,3,4) - Ambiguous distances here again; make them larger or smaller according to what you want the player to do.
  18. 01:17:475 (5,6) - This is another ambiguous distance, coupled with an antiflow movement. Make it larger or smaller accordingly.
[Rain]
  1. 00:00:259 (1,1) - I'd reduce the distance because this is quite surprisive and can really catch players off guard. While you can say "it's literally the first note and they can retry", I'd prefer to avoid that.
  2. 00:02:134 (2,3) - The same suggestion as in the Platter applies.
  3. 00:04:520 (1,2,3,4) - I suggest replacing these with two 1/1 sliders and a 1/2 slider to follow vocals better. Currently it's a weird mix of piano and vocals.
  4. 00:07:077 (5,1) - Pretty much the only antiflow slider you've used in this section, it doesn't fit with the rest. I'd make it a curved slider like the others.
  5. 00:10:827 (3) - I'd slant this to the other side by moving its head to the left. The movement back to this can be unexpected and it's a bit uncomfortable to play.
  6. 00:13:725 (2,3,4,5) - This is way too spaced, leading to an easy to miss pattern. I suggest you move (3,4,5) to the left until each of them have a 1.1X DS to the previous object.
  7. 00:18:157 (1) - 00:24:975 (1) - These are the only 2 antiflow sliders you've used in this section, which is rather inconsistent and, to be honest, the song doesn't call for a strong antiflow like this.
  8. 00:34:520 (1,2) - The vocals on the white ticks are relatively strong, so I suggest replacing this with two 1/2 sliders. Similar stuff on 00:45:430 (1,2) - and 00:52:248 (1,2) - .
  9. ^Similar stuff applies on 00:48:157 (1,2,3) -, it would be better to have 1/2 sliders.
  10. 00:54:293 (2,1) - As in the Platter, the distance to this is a bit underwhelming. I'd increase the spacing.
  11. 01:01:964 (1) - Personal opinion, but I'd replace this with notes to map the beats, as it will allow you to add a HDash to start the Kiai giving it more impact.
  12. 01:14:066 (1,2,3) - HDash should be between (2,3) rather than (1,2), as the white tick is where the stronger sound is at. Similar stuff applies for 01:16:793 (1,2,3) - .
[Kaitlin and Spec's Rain]
  1. 00:02:134 (2,3,4) - I suggest putting the circle first, then the 1/1 slider and then the 1/2 slider to follow vocals better.
  2. 00:04:350 (8,1) - 00:06:566 (2,1) - I think these two deserve a bit more distance to better emphasize the vocals.
  3. 00:07:248 (1,2,3) - I don't think the song is strong enough to have these antiflow movements, I'd try making (2) a curved sliders like the others or reducing the distances a bit.
  4. 00:09:634 (6,1) - Similar stuff here, I'd go for a curved slider.
  5. 00:17:986 (3,1) - Weird rhythm choices, I'd go for a circle + a 1/1 slider. You're leaving a strong downbeat hidden within a slidertail.
  6. 00:19:520 (1,2) - ^Similar stuff here, I'd go for a 1/1 slider and a circle on the red tick.
  7. 00:21:225 (2,3) - Vocals on the white ticks are strong, so I'd go for two 1/2 sliders.
  8. 00:26:168 (3,1) - I think the strong antiflow isn't really called here, I'd go for a curved slider like you've used in other parts.
  9. 00:33:668 (2) - Again, this misses emphasis on the vocal. I suggest replacing this with a circle + a 1/2 slider in order to follow vocals better.
  10. 00:39:123 (2,3) - Antiflow doesn't really fit here, I suggest replacing this with a curved slider like the previous one.
  11. 00:41:339 (1) - ^Same stuff.
  12. 00:43:895 (3,1,2) - Again, the antiflow doesn't really fit, and the movement from (1) to (2) is really harsh. I suggest making (1) a curved slider instead, and replace (2) with a circle and a 1/2 slider to follow vocals better.
  13. 00:45:770 (2,3) - Again, I'd replace this with two 1/2 sliders in order to emphasize vocals and drums better.
  14. 01:02:305 (1,1) - Really underwhelming pattern here, totally misses the chance to add a proper beginning to the Kiai. Making (1) more horizontal to the left already creates a dash which emphasizes the beginning of the Kiai a lot better.
  15. 01:05:032 (2,3,4) - The two direction changes doesn't fit here, as the sounds on the red tick aren't that strong. Note that you didn't do this for a similar sounding vocal at 01:08:270 (3,4) - . Same stuff applies on 01:12:361 (4,5) - .
  16. 01:19:520 (1,1,1) - I'd curve these sliders a bit more, because players can overshoot it due to the strenght of the slider and easily miss droplets.
  17. 01:25:657 (3,4) - This distance makes it a bit uncomfortable to trigger the HDash, making the following pattern easily missable. Reduce it a bit.
Call me back once this has been applied.
Spectator
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
1,843 posts
Joined February 2011
Spectator

ZiRoX wrote:

Popping mainly due to weird rhythm and emphasis choices in both Rains.

Time to check (for a 2nd time, thanks forum)

[Kaitlin and Spec's Rain]
  1. 00:02:134 (2,3,4) - I suggest putting the circle first, then the 1/1 slider and then the 1/2 slider to follow vocals better. fixed
  2. 00:04:350 (8,1) - 00:06:566 (2,1) - I think these two deserve a bit more distance to better emphasize the vocals. fixed
  3. 00:07:248 (1,2,3) - I don't think the song is strong enough to have these antiflow movements, I'd try making (2) a curved sliders like the others or reducing the distances a bit. redesigned the part!
  4. 00:09:634 (6,1) - Similar stuff here, I'd go for a curved slider. yep
  5. 00:17:986 (3,1) - Weird rhythm choices, I'd go for a circle + a 1/1 slider. You're leaving a strong downbeat hidden within a slidertail.
  6. 00:19:520 (1,2) - ^Similar stuff here, I'd go for a 1/1 slider and a circle on the red tick.
  7. 00:21:225 (2,3) - Vocals on the white ticks are strong, so I'd go for two 1/2 sliders.
  8. 00:26:168 (3,1) - I think the strong antiflow isn't really called here, I'd go for a curved slider like you've used in other parts.
  9. 00:33:668 (2) - Again, this misses emphasis on the vocal. I suggest replacing this with a circle + a 1/2 slider in order to follow vocals better. okay!
  10. 00:39:123 (2,3) - Antiflow doesn't really fit here, I suggest replacing this with a curved slider like the previous one.
  11. 00:41:339 (1) - ^Same stuff.
  12. 00:43:895 (3,1,2) - Again, the antiflow doesn't really fit, and the movement from (1) to (2) is really harsh. I suggest making (1) a curved slider instead, and replace (2) with a circle and a 1/2 slider to follow vocals better.
  13. 00:45:770 (2,3) - Again, I'd replace this with two 1/2 sliders in order to emphasize vocals and drums better.
  14. 01:02:305 (1,1) - Really underwhelming pattern here, totally misses the chance to add a proper beginning to the Kiai. Making (1) more horizontal to the left already creates a dash which emphasizes the beginning of the Kiai a lot better. okay
  15. 01:05:032 (2,3,4) - The two direction changes doesn't fit here, as the sounds on the red tick aren't that strong. Note that you didn't do this for a similar sounding vocal at 01:08:270 (3,4) - . Same stuff applies on 01:12:361 (4,5) - .
  16. 01:19:520 (1,1,1) - I'd curve these sliders a bit more, because players can overshoot it due to the strenght of the slider and easily miss droplets.
  17. 01:25:657 (3,4) - This distance makes it a bit uncomfortable to trigger the HDash, making the following pattern easily missable. Reduce it a bit.
Call me back once this has been applied.
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thanks for mod!
Xinnoh
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Xinnoh
uh I deleted stuff when I accepted it on the rain diff but not elsewhere because accepted points had to be referred to elsewhere

ZiRoX wrote:

Popping mainly due to weird rhythm and emphasis choices in both Rains. I really can't find anything that would validate a pop, all of what you've pointed out has been subjective suggestions. Pops are for objective issues, vetos are for subjective ones.

Time to check (for a 2nd time, thanks forum)

[Cup]
  1. My main concern is that the non-Kiai sections have a lot of constant movement. Some sliders require near perfect walking depending on the timing of the player, and some of them are even coupled with antiflow movements. Therefore, I suggest decreasing the SV multiplier in non-Kiai sections and also decreasing the overall spacing by some 0.10-0.15x DS. nerfed some distances here and there.
  2. 01:27:702 (1) - I'd move this a bit to the right to add some leniency should players take the route to the rightmost banana at the end. done
[Salad]
  1. On the section starting at 00:27:702 -, I don't think any of the 1/2 dashes are necessary (e.g. 00:28:895 (3,4) - and 00:32:986 (5,1) -). I think that turning them into 1/1 dashes is enough, considering this thing alone doubles the dash density in comparison to the previous section. just removed the dashes, I think following the random snares + sounds on that offbeat is more important
  2. 00:30:941 (2,3) - I'd think it'd be best to replace this with a 1/1 slider between the white ticks for consistency with the rest of the section. sure
  3. 00:53:611 (1,2) - This is a really tight walk after the previous dash, so I suggest putting (2) closer to the previous object. Semi dash was intentional, it's clear enough for salad players that they can dash when the rhythm density is 2/1
  4. 00:53:611 (1,2) - 00:53:611 (1,2) - I suggest mapping these 2 beats, as they will allow you to put a dash to 01:03:157 (1) - which will make a more impactful beginning of the Kiai. conflicts with what I mentioned above.
  5. 01:03:839 (2,3) - 01:06:907 (4,1) - 01:14:748 (3,4) - These should have larger distances to promote the dash. We're in the Kiai already so having a dash every 2/1 as in previous sections would feel better. I'm just adding dashes on what I think should be emphasised, don't want to add them just to increase movement intensity.
[Platter]
  1. 00:02:134 (2,3) - For these I suggest using the timeline below, as it follows the vocals slightly better (note: you can also map the white tick):
    I prefer to still follow the piano
  2. 00:04:520 (1) - I don't think the antiflow slider fits with the overall patterning of this section; I'd go for a curved slider like all the rest. vocal is different enough to justify basic antiflow
  3. 00:05:032 (2,3) - I suggest swapping the position of these (i.e. having the 1/1 slider first) as it follows the vocals better. I prefer as is
  4. 00:15:430 (1,2) - Personally I'd prefer if this followed a normal flow movement. applied, pattern change forced me to remove the ugly stream lol
  5. 00:17:475 (3,4,1) - I think the dash should be between (4,1) instead of (3,4). While there's a strong drum sound on that red tick, it's nearly on par with the one on the white tick and, therefore, I think the dash to the downbeat would be more reasonable as it's more expected during gameplay. Also applies for other parts like 00:20:202 (3,4,1) - and 00:22:930 (3,4,1) - . fine
  6. 00:19:520 (1,2,3) - I'd reduce the horizontal movement in this pattern a bit, it can be a bit tricky to get the droplets on the sliders. Same stuff applies on 00:22:248 (1,2,3) - . done
  7. 00:20:884 (1,2) - This requires a really tight timing in order to do it with a walk. I'd make the slider more slanted. This can also tie-in with the next suggestion. agree, fixed this while testing stuff before.
  8. 00:21:395 (2,3) - While there's is a bell sound that sort of justifies the dash, I think it's not strong enough to break consistency and have a dash every 2/1 instead of every 4/1 for this stanza. sure
  9. 00:48:668 (2,3) - I think these notes aren't necessary at all, and actually deleting them could allow you to place a stronger 1/1 dash rather than a "shy" 1/2 one, which emphasizes the vocals better. ya
  10. 00:54:293 (2,3) - While I get that the vocals' intensity is decreasing, this distance is rather underwhelming. I'd move (3) further from the previous object. I wouldn't
  11. 01:02:816 - Similar to the Salad, mapping this would allow you to add a dash/HDash to the next object, leading to a more impactful beginning of the Kiai.
  12. 01:04:520 (1,2) - This could have a bit more distance to emphasize the vocals a bit better. same
  13. 01:06:395 (2,3) - I think it would be better to replace this with a 1/1 slider, to follow the vocals a bit more closely. sure
  14. 01:07:248 (1,2,3,4) - I think these should have more distance, the current distances don't emphasize the strong sounds that much. accidentally had some inconsistent spacing, was meant to be consistent since this is a tricky pattern to play.
  15. 01:11:339 (1,2,3,4) - I think these distances are a bit ambiguous? Maybe you could decrease (1,2) and increase (2,3) to add more emphasis to this part. decreased spacing on them
  16. 01:12:361 (4,1,2,3) - This is a bit awkward to play, since the distances are a bit ambiguous and that comes after a hyperdash onto a vertical slider. I think you can slant (1) a bit by moving its head to the left, and also make the distances after a bit larger to properly induce players to dash. A similar issue appears at 01:18:157 (1,2) - . nerfed distances to avoid dashes on complicated patterns and did the other suggestions.
  17. 01:15:430 (1,2,3,4) - Ambiguous distances here again; make them larger or smaller according to what you want the player to do. done
  18. 01:17:475 (5,6) - This is another ambiguous distance, coupled with an antiflow movement. Make it larger or smaller accordingly. done
[Rain]
  1. 00:02:134 (2,3) - The same suggestion as in the Platter applies. same
  2. 00:04:520 (1,2,3,4) - I suggest replacing these with two 1/1 sliders and a 1/2 slider to follow vocals better. Currently it's a weird mix of piano and vocals. Changed 00:04:520 (1) - to 1/1
  3. 00:07:077 (5,1) - Pretty much the only antiflow slider you've used in this section, it doesn't fit with the rest. I'd make it a curved slider like the others. I really prefer this one, that's all I have to say tbh
  4. 00:10:827 (3) - I'd slant this to the other side by moving its head to the left. The movement back to this can be unexpected and it's a bit uncomfortable to play. sure
  5. 00:13:725 (2,3,4,5) - This is way too spaced, leading to an easy to miss pattern. I suggest you move (3,4,5) to the left until each of them have a 1.1X DS to the previous object. used 1.2x spacing is more comfortable
  6. 00:18:157 (1) - 00:24:975 (1) - These are the only 2 antiflow sliders you've used in this section, which is rather inconsistent and, to be honest, the song doesn't call for a strong antiflow like this. The antiflow is extremely weak, requiring just one direction change. If I removed antiflow completely then stuff like 00:19:009 (4) - 00:21:736 (4) - which I used antiflow to emphasise drums would be out of place. Antiflow is just different methods of flow for emphasising the same thing.
  7. 00:34:520 (1,2) - The vocals on the white ticks are relatively strong, so I suggest replacing this with two 1/2 sliders. Similar stuff on 00:45:430 (1,2) - and 00:52:248 (1,2) - . did that
  8. ^Similar stuff applies on 00:48:157 (1,2,3) -, it would be better to have 1/2 sliders. More important to emphasise the empty 1/1 after here.
  9. 00:54:293 (2,1) - As in the Platter, the distance to this is a bit underwhelming. I'd increase the spacing. intentional
  10. 01:01:964 (1) - Personal opinion, but I'd replace this with notes to map the beats, as it will allow you to add a HDash to start the Kiai giving it more impact. applied
  11. 01:14:066 (1,2,3) - HDash should be between (2,3) rather than (1,2), as the white tick is where the stronger sound is at. Similar stuff applies for 01:16:793 (1,2,3) - . Violins have been prioritised over vocal for the whole map 🤔
Call me back once this has been applied.
Dea ex machina
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Dea ex machina

ZiRoX wrote:

[Kaitlin and Spec's Rain]
  1. 00:02:134 (2,3,4) - I suggest putting the circle first, then the 1/1 slider and then the 1/2 slider to follow vocals better.
  2. 00:04:350 (8,1) - 00:06:566 (2,1) - I think these two deserve a bit more distance to better emphasize the vocals.
  3. 00:07:248 (1,2,3) - I don't think the song is strong enough to have these antiflow movements, I'd try making (2) a curved sliders like the others or reducing the distances a bit.
  4. 00:09:634 (6,1) - Similar stuff here, I'd go for a curved slider.
  5. 00:17:986 (3,1) - Weird rhythm choices, I'd go for a circle + a 1/1 slider. You're leaving a strong downbeat hidden within a slidertail.
  6. 00:19:520 (1,2) - ^Similar stuff here, I'd go for a 1/1 slider and a circle on the red tick.
  7. 00:21:225 (2,3) - Vocals on the white ticks are strong, so I'd go for two 1/2 sliders. not strong enough to warrant the nice vocal hold,
    also two 1/2 sliders there is extremely boring.
  8. 00:26:168 (3,1) - I think the strong antiflow isn't really called here, I'd go for a curved slider like you've used in other parts. i used an antiflow slider here: 00:24:975 (1) - which is a similar sound, so i think it fits and works nicely here
  9. 00:33:668 (2) - Again, this misses emphasis on the vocal. I suggest replacing this with a circle + a 1/2 slider in order to follow vocals better.
  10. 00:39:123 (2,3) - Antiflow doesn't really fit here, I suggest replacing this with a curved slider like the previous one. again, i think the antiflow here works well, and a curved slider there really gives a lackluster effect
  11. 00:41:339 (1) - ^Same stuff. same as above, especially here, that would have the same movement repeated for far too long
  12. 00:43:895 (3,1,2) - Again, the antiflow doesn't really fit, and the movement from (1) to (2) is really harsh. I suggest making (1) a curved slider instead, and replace (2) with a circle and a 1/2 slider to follow vocals better.
  13. 00:45:770 (2,3) - Again, I'd replace this with two 1/2 sliders in order to emphasize vocals and drums better.
  14. 01:02:305 (1,1) - Really underwhelming pattern here, totally misses the chance to add a proper beginning to the Kiai. Making (1) more horizontal to the left already creates a dash which emphasizes the beginning of the Kiai a lot better.
  15. 01:05:032 (2,3,4) - The two direction changes doesn't fit here, as the sounds on the red tick aren't that strong. Note that you didn't do this for a similar sounding vocal at 01:08:270 (3,4) - . Same stuff applies on 01:12:361 (4,5) - .
  16. 01:19:520 (1,1,1) - I'd curve these sliders a bit more, because players can overshoot it due to the strenght of the slider and easily miss droplets.
  17. 01:25:657 (3,4) - This distance makes it a bit uncomfortable to trigger the HDash, making the following pattern easily missable. Reduce it a bit.
Call me back once this has been applied.
thanks, no reply means fixed

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Xinnoh
Elite Mapper
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ZiRoX
Elite Mapper
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Joined November 2009
ZiRoX
Discussed other stuff with Sinnoh on PM. I'm going to suggest some alternatives to stuff Fii rejected, because I don't think they completely fit as they are right now.

-wwwww wrote:

ZiRoX wrote:

[Kaitlin and Spec's Rain]
  1. 00:26:168 (3,1) - I think the strong antiflow isn't really called here, I'd go for a curved slider like you've used in other parts. i used an antiflow slider here: 00:24:975 (1) - which is a similar sound, so i think it fits and works nicely here In any case, the 00:26:339 (1) - vocal is slightly less intense than 00:24:975 (1) -, and also a slightly lower pitch, so it doesn't make sense that both sliders travel the same distance. I suggest making it so 00:26:339 (1) - has a little less horizontal movement. Also because 00:26:339 (1,2) - is quite a really tight walk as it is currently.
  2. 00:39:123 (2,3) - Antiflow doesn't really fit here, I suggest replacing this with a curved slider like the previous one. again, i think the antiflow here works well, and a curved slider there really gives a lackluster effect. I would then suggest to reduce the intensity of the antiflow a bit here by moving (3)'s head so the slider is more slanted, both in order to reduce the dash to it and also the horizontal movement required in the slider.
Call me back once this has been applied.
thanks, no reply means fixed
Dea ex machina
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Dea ex machina
both fixed

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Nokashi
304 posts
Joined December 2014
Nokashi
Rechecked things along with Sinnoh, fixed a rhythm me and ZiRoX were concerned about. Rebubbled!

IRC Log
2017-12-25 16:04 Nokashi: looking at the rhythm in rain
2017-12-25 16:04 Nokashi: regarding 
2017-12-25 16:04 Nokashi: 00:01:793 (1,2,3) - 
2017-12-25 16:04 Sinnoh: ya
2017-12-25 16:05 Nokashi: u said u still wanted to follow the piano, yet 00:02:475 - is left on a sliderend, 
2017-12-25 16:05 Nokashi: tha piano pitch is strong 
2017-12-25 16:05 Nokashi: if there was any need for more movement this would be the one where the movement should be
2017-12-25 16:05 Nokashi: otherwise you should follow vocals like zirox suggested
2017-12-25 16:06 Nokashi: and in order to make the piano mapping less ambiguous you could ponentially only map the passive piano 1/2
2017-12-25 16:06 Nokashi: and avoid 1/1s like 00:02:645 (3) - 
2017-12-25 16:06 Nokashi: which makes it seem like u are following the vocal
2017-12-25 16:07 Sinnoh: k just gonna do what zirox suggested then
2017-12-25 16:07 Nokashi: 00:04:520 (1,2,3) - this is fine for me 
2017-12-25 16:08 Nokashi: so i guess make that rhythm change u said
2017-12-25 16:08 Nokashi: i think zirox mentioned theres a similar rhythm in platter?
2017-12-25 16:08 Nokashi: lemme see
2017-12-25 16:08 Nokashi: 00:01:793 (1,2,3) - same thing applies in platter here 
2017-12-25 16:11 Sinnoh: updated
2017-12-25 16:11 Nokashi: :eyes:
2017-12-25 16:11 Nokashi: lemme see
2017-12-25 16:14 Nokashi: all good 
2017-12-25 16:14 Nokashi: time for the bub
2017-12-25 16:14 Nokashi: gonna post this irc for reference
2017-12-25 16:14 Sinnoh: gr8
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