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ESTi - HELIX (Edit ver.) [Taiko]

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[General]
AudioFilename: audio.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 43888
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Normal
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 1
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
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DistanceSpacing: 0.7
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 32
TimelineZoom: 3.199998

[Metadata]
Title:HELIX (Edit ver.)
TitleUnicode:HELIX (Edit ver.)
Artist:ESTi
ArtistUnicode:ESTi
Creator:hikikochan
Version:Inner Oni
Source:O2Jam Analog
Tags:jinbae park mobile u brutal dub and bloody bass ios android lks studiosis
BeatmapID:1584721
BeatmapSetID:625729

[Difficulty]
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you'll find here some changes i made to smoothen some svs i think were a bit too abrupt.
i recommend keeping what i did for patterns like these 00:49:018 (338,339,340,341,342) - / 02:03:075 (192,193,194,195,196) - (sv smoothen 1.3 > 1.23 > 1.17 > 1.12 >1.08 > 1.05 instead of linear 1.3 > 1.25 > 1.2 > 1.15 > 1.1 >1.05)
plus changes at 00:31:704 (202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214,215,216) - to make it prettier. feel free to keep what you did before though

i believe the other svs are fine overall


[oni]

00:54:847 - here i think a rhythm finishing at red ticks (like 00:56:047 - ) and starting on the next one ( here 00:56:390 - ), aka skipping the big white tick, would be better and more represeentative of the song than what you wurrently have

01:41:361 - what about adding a note here at every 2 big white ticks ? (so here, 01:44:104 - etc)

lower diffs are prolly safe from nardo
hikiko-
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hikiko-
thanks for the mod!!
changes

Arrival wrote:

yo

you'll find here some changes i made to smoothen some svs i think were a bit too abrupt.
i recommend keeping what i did for patterns like these 00:49:018 (338,339,340,341,342) - / 02:03:075 (192,193,194,195,196) - (sv smoothen 1.3 > 1.23 > 1.17 > 1.12 >1.08 > 1.05 instead of linear 1.3 > 1.25 > 1.2 > 1.15 > 1.1 >1.05)
plus changes at 00:31:704 (202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214,215,216) - to make it prettier. feel free to keep what you did before though

i believe the other svs are fine overall kept all your changes


[oni]

00:54:847 - here i think a rhythm finishing at red ticks (like 00:56:047 - ) and starting on the next one ( here 00:56:390 - ), aka skipping the big white tick, would be better and more represeentative of the song than what you wurrently have i'm leaning more towards following the base drum rhythm than the shaping of the synth melody stuff, and since the downbeats are all decidedly heavy i think skipping them would feel forced

01:41:361 - what about adding a note here at every 2 big white ticks ? (so here, 01:44:104 - etc) yeah i adjusted some stuff

lower diffs are prolly safe from nardo
Arrival
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Arrival
good luck
anna apple
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Kin
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Kin
Talked with hikiko about custom hitsound usage & some sliders velocity.
Spread is actually pretty nice despite the huge SR difference. The higher diff really play like a 4.5~5* map
it might be a contreversial map, so to avoid any drama don't forget qualified section is made to get more opinon
Nao Tomori
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my first 7 star pass! i got so good at taiko!
xtrem3x
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xtrem3x
just 2 things...

Conflict between samplesets


and the similarity of spread between Oni and Inner Oni, possibly 2 or 4 notes can be erased in Oni.
tatatat
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I really think it would be better for the spinner at 01:38:047 - to be at a more sight readable speed, like 2x or 3x Especially since in the future with score V2, not hitting that spinner will count as a miss and break combo. A 4x SV ninja note wouldn't be acceptable, so why should a spinner.
hikiko-
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xtrem3x: a) conflicting timing points are no longer an unrankable issue even though they show up in modding assistant. i have stuff set the way it is so that ghosttapping before the map starts doesn’t spoil the clock hitsound effect
b) the beginning is sparse enough that it being the same in oni and inner oni is not a problem
tatatat: a ninja spinner is already more lenient than a ninja note. furthermore, whether something is sightreadable or not isn’t in and of itself a quality issue
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tatatat
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well whatever, I don't like the pp mapping meta much, and I really wish something was done about the silly SR in taiko. but I'll end up playing this map when its ranked anyways for the pp. Good luck mister hikikikokoko.
Aloda
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The conflicting samplesets are fine, however the Oni's is inconsistent with the rest of the diffs, using the custom hit sounds for both lines unlike the rest of the diffs. DQing to let you fix this.

I do also have a couple of other minor irks, so I'll follow up with some further modding asap.
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Well, I'll take advantage of this DQ to point out something I felt really off with the map, and it's this part in inner oni:

00:10:961 - It doesn't seem to match the sound at all I think it should be improved by using the proper snapings that are 1/6>1/4>1/3>1/4 as in here:

(in case the pic is not understandable I put it into a .osu here: https://puu.sh/ApERm/90b9f7c67f.osu )

I think it would be great if you could make that minimum change, it'd improve the map first impression alot imo :c
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Just two things.

01:37:361 - I can see what you're going for leaving this empty in the Kantan/Futsuu/Muzukashii/Oni, but as this is a very prominent and clear-cut sound, it feels very unnatural to stop playing there (in the lower diffs in particular). I recommend adding something into these gaps, be it a regular note, or a spinner, somewhat akin to what you used in the Inner Oni.

While most of the 1/8 patterns you've used in the Inner Oni are supported by the song, the set at 00:10:961 (26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33) - is quite unintuitively mapped over 1/6 sounds, and as a result doesn't feel great to play. Similarly, I believe that using 1/3 from 00:11:647 - would be better fitting to the song. I don't recommend going straight into a 1/6 stream here, but you could adjust this to be a simpler 1/4 pattern into 1/3 at 00:11:647 - and back to 1/4 from 00:11:990 - for a much nicer to play pattern that better follows the music.

Let me know once you've had a look over this.
hikiko-
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fixed oni timing points plus the following:

ARGENTINE DREAM wrote:

Well, I'll take advantage of this DQ to point out something I felt really off with the map, and it's this part in inner oni:

00:10:961 - It doesn't seem to match the sound at all I think it should be improved by using the proper snapings that are 1/6>1/4>1/3>1/4 as in here:

(in case the pic is not understandable I put it into a .osu here: https://puu.sh/ApERm/90b9f7c67f.osu )

I think it would be great if you could make that minimum change, it'd improve the map first impression alot imo :c i didn't look at your mod before applying aloda's and it turns out i did essentially the same thing you did (with 1/6 doublets instead of full 1/6) so there we go i guess

Aloda wrote:

Just two things.

01:37:361 - I can see what you're going for leaving this empty in the Kantan/Futsuu/Muzukashii/Oni, but as this is a very prominent and clear-cut sound, it feels very unnatural to stop playing there (in the lower diffs in particular). I recommend adding something into these gaps, be it a regular note, or a spinner, somewhat akin to what you used in the Inner Oni. filled in sliders (2/1 in kantan, 3/2 in futsuu through oni) and adjusted volumes accordingly

While most of the 1/8 patterns you've used in the Inner Oni are supported by the song, the set at 00:10:961 (26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33) - is quite unintuitively mapped over 1/6 sounds, and as a result doesn't feel great to play. Similarly, I believe that using 1/3 from 00:11:647 - would be better fitting to the song. I don't recommend going straight into a 1/6 stream here, but you could adjust this to be a simpler 1/4 pattern into 1/3 at 00:11:647 - and back to 1/4 from 00:11:990 - for a much nicer to play pattern that better follows the music. adjusted some stuff around and it seems to work better now, lmk what you think

Let me know once you've had a look over this.
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hikikochan wrote:

fixed oni timing points plus the following:
i didn't look at your mod
:( meanie :(
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All is good.
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00:32:047 (161) - looking at how complex this part is in the inner oni couldn't you add something a bit more to portray the extra sound? Like even a spinner or something?
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