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Shikata Akiko - Katayoku no Tori

posted 2017-06-04T22:53:03+00:00

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Icekalt

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-06-04T22:53:03+00:00

This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 at 12:57:04

Artist: Shikata Akiko
Title: Katayoku no Tori
Source: うみねこのなく頃に
Tags: opening japanese blue 古戸ヱリカ furudo erika umineko no naku koro ni sakurauchi_riko phyloukz imoutosan fushimi_rio loreley namki italian 波乃渉 namino wataru
BPM: 220
Filesize: 10423kb
Play Time: 04:32
Difficulties Available:

Final Judgment (5,57 stars, 798 notes)
Lore & Ice's Hard (3,36 stars, 585 notes)
Namki & Ice's Advanced (2,46 stars, 376 notes)
Riko & Phyl's Normal (1,8 stars, 285 notes)
Rio & Ice's Insane (4,34 stars, 646 notes)

Download: Shikata Akiko - Katayoku no Tori
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Sliderheavy Map with tricky Overlaps

Collab Normal by Sakurauchi Riko and Phyloukz
Collab Advanced by Namki and Me (R.I.P Kanan)
Collab Hard by Loreley and Me
Collab Insane by Fushimi Rio (imoutosan) and Me
Extra (Final Judgement) by Me

~Have Fun~

Check out short version of the song made by Rakuen: Shikata Akiko - Katayoku no Tori

Thanks to: Touhou for huge help with timing and hitsounds (theese samples are amazing

)
Celektus for the Banner, mp3 and bitrate
Bor for being the timing-BN
Mir for uhh not being too annoyed by me
Sakurauchi Riko for the sliderart in the topdiff after 2nd chorus)
And ofc all Testplayer and Modders!

Parts

Insane+Hard
beginning to 00:56:678 - : Me
00:58:314 - to 02:20:132 - : GDer
02:20:132 - to 02:59:405 - : Me
02:59:405 - to 04:08:132 - : GDer
04:08:132 - to end : Me

Advance:
Namki did first and last Kiai

Icon Log

Bubble by - Frontier -

Heart by Doormat
Thank you guys!!

Last edited by Icekalt 2018-05-15T13:55:36+00:00, edited 170 times in total.

TheMefisto

403 posts

Joined August 2014

TheMefisto 2017-06-13T17:57:56+00:00

IRC stuff

2017-06-13 19:23 IceKalt: Hey~  are you busy atm?
2017-06-13 19:24 TheMefisto: Hi, not really
2017-06-13 19:24 IceKalt: you free for irc?
2017-06-13 19:25 TheMefisto: Yep, I guess
2017-06-13 19:25 IceKalt: do you know this map
2017-06-13 19:25 IceKalt: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1312305 Shikata Akiko - Katayoku no Tori]
2017-06-13 19:26 TheMefisto: I know song, but not map xd
2017-06-13 19:26 IceKalt: i let a few mutals testplay back then
2017-06-13 19:31 TheMefisto: Map looks pretty good
2017-06-13 19:31 IceKalt: you found nothing yet? :D
2017-06-13 19:32 IceKalt: its great to have the ability to map what you like to play ^^
2017-06-13 19:32 IceKalt: in this one
2017-06-13 19:33 IceKalt: thats the first map im really satisfied
2017-06-13 19:33 TheMefisto: Well, I just go through the map and try to understand your ideas and structure
2017-06-13 19:34 TheMefisto: I have few thing that I can mention here
2017-06-13 19:34 IceKalt: k
2017-06-13 19:36 TheMefisto: First of all, these sections 00:41:931 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 
2017-06-13 19:36 TheMefisto: 00:45:203 (1,2,3,4) - 
2017-06-13 19:37 TheMefisto: It's pretty... Intense
2017-06-13 19:37 TheMefisto: especially 1/2 circles
2017-06-13 19:38 IceKalt: you mean its too hard to play for the intensity of the song?
2017-06-13 19:38 TheMefisto: Compared to pretty same moment 02:05:385 (1,2,3) - 
2017-06-13 19:38 TheMefisto: I mean this too intense, song doesn't really provide this 00:43:022 (4,5,6) - rhythm
2017-06-13 19:39 IceKalt: well this is vocal mapping there
2017-06-13 19:39 IceKalt: but i guess
2017-06-13 19:39 TheMefisto: Maybe 1/2 sliders would be better
2017-06-13 19:39 TheMefisto: Like here 02:09:203 (2,3,4,5) - 
2017-06-13 19:40 IceKalt: or a reverse?
2017-06-13 19:40 TheMefisto: It's follows vocal, but not that "intense" like circles
2017-06-13 19:40 TheMefisto: Yep, or reverse
2017-06-13 19:40 TheMefisto: You can choose what emphasize vocal better in this case
2017-06-13 19:41 TheMefisto: Both 1/2 slider and reverse slider should work good
2017-06-13 19:41 IceKalt: mh reverse fits better
2017-06-13 19:41 IceKalt: 02:06:203 (3) -
2017-06-13 19:41 IceKalt: a bit like here - only 1/2
2017-06-13 19:42 IceKalt: 00:46:567 (4) -
2017-06-13 19:42 IceKalt: i or more like 00:46:294 (3,4) -
2017-06-13 19:42 TheMefisto: 00:42:749 (3,4,5,6) -  you can also try to circle + 1/1 slider
2017-06-13 19:43 IceKalt: i think im doing it like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8335337
2017-06-13 19:43 IceKalt: so i can emphasis the strang sound on 00:46:567 (4) -
2017-06-13 19:43 TheMefisto: Yep, make sense
2017-06-13 19:44 IceKalt: 00:50:112 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - would you then critizise that too?
2017-06-13 19:44 IceKalt: because i think thats ok
2017-06-13 19:45 TheMefisto: No, thats good
2017-06-13 19:45 TheMefisto: 00:59:112 (4,5,6) - 
2017-06-13 19:46 TheMefisto: here is pretty small spacing, coz noone actually draw slider to the end
2017-06-13 19:46 TheMefisto: But you make jump to this one 00:58:840 (3,4) - 
2017-06-13 19:47 TheMefisto: Imo, this two sliders 00:59:385 (5,6) -  deserve a jump too
2017-06-13 19:47 TheMefisto: There is pretty strong vocal on the head of sliders
2017-06-13 19:47 IceKalt: mhh
2017-06-13 19:47 TheMefisto: And the same drum sound
2017-06-13 19:48 IceKalt: uhh
2017-06-13 19:49 IceKalt: i need to think about this more
2017-06-13 19:49 TheMefisto: Yep, just keep it in mind
2017-06-13 19:49 IceKalt: you mean like only for 00:59:112 (4,5,6) - or for 01:00:749 (4,5,6) -01:04:022 (5,6,7) - etc?
2017-06-13 19:50 TheMefisto: 01:00:749 (4,5,6) - this too
2017-06-13 19:50 TheMefisto: But 01:04:022 (5,6,7) -  this feels fine
2017-06-13 19:50 IceKalt: the thing is that i like to introduce the pattern in the beginning - then play with it later
2017-06-13 19:50 TheMefisto: There is no vocal and pretty equal jumps
2017-06-13 19:51 IceKalt: and this is like the main pattern i used for every refrain
2017-06-13 19:51 IceKalt: i'll keep that in mind
2017-06-13 19:51 IceKalt: but wont chnage it no
2017-06-13 19:51 IceKalt: w
2017-06-13 19:51 TheMefisto: Oh, ok
2017-06-13 19:52 TheMefisto: Next thing is 01:10:294 (3) - 
2017-06-13 19:52 TheMefisto: DS here a bit weird
2017-06-13 19:53 TheMefisto: This pretty similar to 01:09:340 (5,6,7) - 
2017-06-13 19:53 IceKalt: i agree with you
2017-06-13 19:53 IceKalt: but its hard to fix xD
2017-06-13 19:53 TheMefisto: But on this circle 01:10:294 (3) -  we also have vocal sound "HAAAAAA"
2017-06-13 19:53 IceKalt: cause that would cause annoying overlap
2017-06-13 19:53 IceKalt: s
2017-06-13 19:54 TheMefisto: You can stack this to end of slider 01:09:749 (1) - 
2017-06-13 19:54 IceKalt: HAAAA xD
2017-06-13 19:54 TheMefisto: And then move this 01:10:431 (4) -  a bit 
2017-06-13 19:54 TheMefisto: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8335414
2017-06-13 19:54 IceKalt: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8335416
2017-06-13 19:54 IceKalt: i did it like this - didnt see your one yet
2017-06-13 19:55 IceKalt: uh
2017-06-13 19:55 IceKalt: i like both xD
2017-06-13 19:55 TheMefisto: :^)
2017-06-13 19:55 TheMefisto: Btw, about this 00:59:112 (4,5,6) - 
2017-06-13 19:55 IceKalt: ahh yours is perfect
2017-06-13 19:56 TheMefisto: 01:12:203 (4,5,6) - just look at this
2017-06-13 19:56 IceKalt: cause of overlap with this 01:10:567 (5) -
2017-06-13 19:56 TheMefisto: Thats similar sections, but in first case you don't make any jump
2017-06-13 19:56 TheMefisto: But in second case you did
2017-06-13 19:56 IceKalt: huh
2017-06-13 19:56 TheMefisto: 01:12:203 (4,5) - 
2017-06-13 19:56 IceKalt: ahh
2017-06-13 19:57 IceKalt: kicked wrong one xD
2017-06-13 19:57 IceKalt: thats what i meant with playing with pattern
2017-06-13 19:57 IceKalt: but i guess the DS difference is too high
2017-06-13 19:58 TheMefisto: Yep
2017-06-13 19:58 IceKalt: would you suggest changing positions 5+6
2017-06-13 19:58 IceKalt: ahh
2017-06-13 19:59 IceKalt: i know why i did this
2017-06-13 19:59 TheMefisto: Well, that what you should do right now, I guess
2017-06-13 19:59 IceKalt: :D
2017-06-13 19:59 IceKalt: when i change 5+6 the ds would be too low
2017-06-13 19:59 TheMefisto: But you still can think about changing idea of this patterns
2017-06-13 19:59 IceKalt: 01:12:749 (6,1) - would be too low too
2017-06-13 19:59 TheMefisto: Yeah
2017-06-13 20:00 TheMefisto: I mean, every moments like 00:59:112 (4,5,6) - , 01:00:749 (4,5,6) - , 01:12:203 (4,5,6) -  should have one idea
2017-06-13 20:01 TheMefisto: If you wont change 1 and 2 for now, you should change 3 (swaping 5 and 6, yeah)
2017-06-13 20:02 TheMefisto: Or you can add jump between 00:59:112 (4,5) - , 01:00:749 (4,5) - 
2017-06-13 20:02 TheMefisto: And then keep 01:12:203 (4,5,6) -  as it is
2017-06-13 20:03 IceKalt: ill change the placement on 01:11:931 (3,4,5,6) -  atm
2017-06-13 20:05 IceKalt: well i changed the compleat placement of 01:12:203 (4,5,6,7,8,9) -
2017-06-13 20:05 IceKalt: that should be ok now
2017-06-13 20:06 TheMefisto: Nice
2017-06-13 20:07 IceKalt: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8335502  https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8335512
2017-06-13 20:08 TheMefisto: Next thing is 01:28:567 (1,2,3) - , I suggest reduse spacing here a bit, coz vocal starting to "fade" here (or something like "became weaker", idk)
2017-06-13 20:09 TheMefisto: Yep, should be fine
2017-06-13 20:11 IceKalt: done
2017-06-13 20:11 TheMefisto: I'm not sure about this 02:19:022 (1,2,3,4) - 
2017-06-13 20:11 TheMefisto: I know what you want to do here, but
2017-06-13 20:11 IceKalt: how?
2017-06-13 20:12 IceKalt: i mean i wouldnt have a suggesten
2017-06-13 20:12 IceKalt: 00:57:203 (1,2,3,4) -
2017-06-13 20:12 IceKalt: wouldnt fit here
2017-06-13 20:12 TheMefisto: But it's different cases
2017-06-13 20:12 TheMefisto: 02:19:294 (2,3) - you made higher DS here to emphasize some clap sound on 02:19:567 (3) -  
2017-06-13 20:12 IceKalt: lol
2017-06-13 20:13 TheMefisto: I mean
2017-06-13 20:13 IceKalt: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8335558
2017-06-13 20:13 IceKalt: i sould do sth like this?
2017-06-13 20:13 IceKalt: should?
2017-06-13 20:13 TheMefisto: Right
2017-06-13 20:13 TheMefisto: x)
2017-06-13 20:14 IceKalt: i guess that workes but ppl might get confused that this could be a 1/1 gap at first
2017-06-13 20:14 IceKalt: but idk that should work for the beginning
2017-06-13 20:15 TheMefisto: 02:20:112 (1) - Thats pretty strange, compare to these: 00:58:294 (1) - , 03:41:931 (1) - 
2017-06-13 20:16 IceKalt: theres a WWUUSHHHH
2017-06-13 20:16 IceKalt: xD
2017-06-13 20:16 TheMefisto: You made 1/1 slider, then suddenly put 2/1 slider and then 1/1 slider again
2017-06-13 20:16 TheMefisto: Hm
2017-06-13 20:16 IceKalt: until 02:20:658 -
2017-06-13 20:16 IceKalt: 02:38:112 (1) - this?
2017-06-13 20:16 TheMefisto: Well, make sense, I guess
2017-06-13 20:17 IceKalt: this is to emphazise the really strong voice there
2017-06-13 20:17 TheMefisto: Hmmmmmmm
2017-06-13 20:17 IceKalt: well the 1st and 3rd refrain is like identical but this is different
2017-06-13 20:18 TheMefisto: You can same thing to this 01:17:931 (1) - 
2017-06-13 20:18 TheMefisto: Extend to 01:18:340 - 
2017-06-13 20:18 TheMefisto: Should fits vocal pretty nice
2017-06-13 20:19 IceKalt: well done
2017-06-13 20:20 TheMefisto: Anyway, this feels weird 02:21:749 (1,2) - 
2017-06-13 20:20 TheMefisto: Maybe because you don't use same thing before
2017-06-13 20:21 TheMefisto: Also it ignore sound here 02:22:158 - and cover strong vocal with end of slider 02:22:294 - 
2017-06-13 20:22 TheMefisto: Somethnig like "slider starts on weak sound and ends on strong"
2017-06-13 20:30 TheMefisto: I love bancho
2017-06-13 20:31 IceKalt: damn yea
2017-06-13 20:32 TheMefisto: I mentioned this moment 02:21:749 (1,2) - 
2017-06-13 20:32 TheMefisto: And said that second slider has strong sound on the end and weaker sound on start
2017-06-13 20:32 TheMefisto: Vocal sound*, ye
2017-06-13 20:36 TheMefisto: Aaaaaaa
2017-06-13 20:37 IceKalt: :D
2017-06-13 20:37 IceKalt: thats kinda annoying xD
2017-06-13 20:38 TheMefisto: 02:21:749 (1,2) - hope you saw what I mention about this
2017-06-13 20:38 IceKalt: i already changed it xD
2017-06-13 20:38 TheMefisto: Also put NC on this sliders 02:46:294 (1,2,3,4) - 
2017-06-13 20:39 TheMefisto: And maybe end this one 02:49:567 (3) - on red tick for consistency
2017-06-13 20:40 TheMefisto: You can add break between spinner and this circle 02:59:385 (1) -  (Just for HP)
2017-06-13 20:40 TheMefisto: 03:36:885 (4,1) - And you can increase DS here, because of pretty strong sound
2017-06-13 20:41 TheMefisto: At least stronger than here 03:36:749 (3,4) - 
2017-06-13 20:41 TheMefisto: So emphasize with jump would be good 
2017-06-13 20:41 IceKalt: i agree with 03:36:749 (3,4) -
2017-06-13 20:41 IceKalt: but not with that slider sound - its different tbh
2017-06-13 20:41 IceKalt: "imo"
2017-06-13 20:42 TheMefisto: Okay
2017-06-13 20:42 IceKalt: welli keep it in mind when more ppl complain about this
2017-06-13 20:42 IceKalt: but added ncs
2017-06-13 20:42 TheMefisto: 03:55:840 (4,5,6) - and here is third variation of slider pattern
2017-06-13 20:43 TheMefisto: Jump between 03:56:112 (5,6) - 
2017-06-13 20:43 IceKalt: changed
2017-06-13 20:44 TheMefisto: And last thing here 00:01:022 -  xd
2017-06-13 20:49 TheMefisto: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/UdAR3oA.png
2017-06-13 20:49 TheMefisto: Conflicted volume 
2017-06-13 20:49 TheMefisto: And that's all actually xd
2017-06-13 20:52 TheMefisto: I'll post log in the thread, if you don't mind
2017-06-13 20:53 IceKalt: lol
2017-06-13 20:53 IceKalt: who mind that
2017-06-13 20:53 TheMefisto: xd

tatatat

923 posts

Joined March 2015

tatatat 2017-06-18T00:17:26+00:00

the audio bitrate is 268kbps while the maximum allowed is 192kbps. Consider compressing your audio file. Once your audio file is compressed, your mapset should also go below the 10MB size limit (right now its at about 11mb). Also the metadata is really messed up for your Rikoukz'(include an s?) Normal.
Another inconsistency with metadata is that widescreen support is toggled off only for the Final Judgement difficulty.
Rikouz' Normal:
Your kiai time usage is too extreme. Although you only toggle kiai time on about once a minute, kiai time lasts for about 35% of the map.
The OD,HP drain, and AR are all way too low.
even though there is only a 0.13 difference in star rating there is an extreme difference in OD,HP, and AR.
Normal:
Kiai time isn't used in this diff, even though it is used in the other two diffs.
The HP drain is too high.
Final Judgement:
The kiai time here is also too extreme.
Overall regarding kiai time, I recommend you make the kiai time sections the same across all diffs.

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-06-18T11:37:41+00:00

Uhm this was a bit unexpected - but really kind of you^^

tatatat wrote:
the audio bitrate is 268kbps while the maximum allowed is 192kbps.Was speaking with themefisto about this wanted to change it later~ Consider compressing your audio file. Once your audio file is compressed, your mapset should also go below the 10MB size limit (right now its at about 11mb). Also the metadata is really messed up for your Rikoukz'(include an s?) Normal.Thats because he re-gave me the map and i forgot to recheck the metadata - was messed up b4 too (dont know why tbh)
Another inconsistency with metadata is that widescreen support is toggled off only for the Final Judgement difficulty.Oups forgot
Rikouz' Normal:
Your kiai time usage is too extreme. Although you only toggle kiai time on about once a minute, kiai time lasts for about 35% of the map.
The OD,HP drain, and AR are all way too low.
even though there is only a 0.13 difference in star rating there is an extreme difference in OD,HP, and AR. Will tell him (thats because it was an easy diff before and he forget to change that~
Normal:
Kiai time isn't used in this diff, even though it is used in the other two diffs.
The HP drain is too high. Uh i'm working on it for like 14 sec so i will implement the kiais when i am at the part
Final Judgement:
The kiai time here is also too extreme.
Overall regarding kiai time, I recommend you make the kiai time sections the same across all diffs. (Deleted first and third kiai - i guess thats fine~

Thank you very much^^

Kaifin

745 posts

Joined April 2013

Kaifin 2017-06-23T23:19:09+00:00

irc as requested

16:51 *IceKalt is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1312305 Shikata Akiko - Katayoku no Tori]
16:52 Kaifin: just the one diff?
16:52 IceKalt: ye
16:52 IceKalt: i mean advanced isnt done
16:52 IceKalt: 85% atm
16:52 Kaifin: hey can u make the hitsoudns not 2% volume
16:53 Kaifin: i guess i'll play it first
16:53 IceKalt: 2%?
16:53 Kaifin: they're really quiet
16:53 IceKalt: k
16:53 *Kaifin is playing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1312305 Shikata Akiko - Katayoku no Tori [Final Judgement]]
16:56 IceKalt: well - hitsounding is coming in like 2 days from another person
16:56 Kaifin: o ok
16:58 Kaifin: it plays ok
16:58 IceKalt: better than bad

16:58 Kaifin: it's really messy visually
16:59 IceKalt: i think that the biggest problem on this map i guess~
16:59 Kaifin: yes
16:59 Kaifin: i think that 00:40:294 - these sections are the most poorly mapped
17:00 Kaifin: really high point of emphasis in the song doesnt feel very emphaszied
17:00 IceKalt: you got a suggestion how to emphezise it better?
17:00 Kaifin: you shouldnt lower the sv on this slider 00:41:658 (1) -
17:00 Kaifin: lower it only on this one 00:41:931 (1) -
17:00 Kaifin: you lose all your emphasis by slowing it down one slider too early
17:01 Kaifin: also, just better patterning would have better emphasis
17:01 IceKalt: so i should change the DS here?
17:01 IceKalt: 00:41:931 (1) -
17:01 IceKalt: oh
17:01 Kaifin: you can
17:01 IceKalt: didnt read that
17:02 Kaifin: i think the biggest issue with your map is just placing objects/patterns without thinking about how they relate to each other visually
17:02 IceKalt: i guess i lower 00:41:658 (1) - a bit than the whole rest on 00:41:931 (1) -
17:02 Kaifin: that works as long as it still has some speed
17:03 IceKalt: like 1.1-1.0
17:03 Kaifin: 01:13:022 - some parts of your map get really really cluttered
17:04 Kaifin: cause you overlap so much and dont consistently stack/place objects in places that make sense like you do previous in the first half of the kiai
17:04 IceKalt: maybe i concentrated too much on making straight overlaps so the rest looks ugly
17:04 IceKalt: cause thats what i mostly do
17:05 IceKalt: ok on this section its like the opposide
17:05 Kaifin: 01:14:112 (5,1,1,2,3,4,5) -
17:05 Kaifin: stuff like this is really cluttered
17:05 Kaifin: you go from relatively clean before this point
17:05 Kaifin: to this
17:05 Kaifin: its just kind of a mess of objects
17:05 Kaifin: but you can clean it up slightly to fix it by either fully stacking some objects, or fully seperating them
17:06 Kaifin: 01:17:794 (7,1) -
17:06 Kaifin: heres a tip for making patterns like this
17:06 Kaifin: you wanted to put the note on the slider tick
17:06 Kaifin: so you go to the point in the timeline where the slider tick is
17:06 Kaifin: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8422002
17:06 Kaifin: and then just overlap the circle with the slider ball
17:06 Kaifin: then it's directly on top of the tick
17:07 Kaifin: after fixing it looks like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8422009
17:07 IceKalt: did - thanks for the tip - didnt thought about it
17:08 Kaifin: 01:18:749 (4,5) - this gimmick in general is lik a good idea you just need to be careful cause
17:08 Kaifin: when you do an overlap gimmick
17:08 Kaifin: if you start to overlap inconsistently afterwards
17:08 Kaifin: it ends up looking really cluttered and jumbled and messy
17:08 Kaifin: stuff liek 01:22:840 (1,1) -
17:09 Kaifin: looks quite off
17:09 Kaifin: the "barely" overlaps
17:09 Kaifin: 01:23:658 (1,1,1,2) -
17:09 Kaifin: i wish this was a real line
17:09 IceKalt: oups
17:09 Kaifin: like they were actually lined up
17:09 Kaifin: that would be a much better pattern
17:09 IceKalt: yea
17:09 Kaifin: 01:30:203 (1,2,3,1) -
17:09 Kaifin: stuff like this is cool
17:09 Kaifin: wish you did more stuff like that
17:11 IceKalt: hm tried to implement things like this
17:11 Kaifin: okay so i think it would be more helpful for me just to give you
17:11 IceKalt: but im not a mastermind in creating special things

17:11 Kaifin: general aesthetic advice
17:11 Kaifin: for next time
17:11 Kaifin: #1 aesthetic error in your map other than like
17:11 Kaifin: placements just being really cluttered
17:11 Kaifin: is use of 45 degree angles
17:12 Kaifin: 45 degree angles are UGLY AF without the right context
17:12 Kaifin: and despite your map using a shitton of 45 degree angles
17:12 Kaifin: it still doesnt give them context and just kind of looks bad
17:12 Kaifin: of course these things are subjective, but that is the opinion of most people so take that as you will
17:13 Kaifin: some of your patterns are really good ideas that just need to be executed better as well
17:13 IceKalt: can you give a small example of the 45° pattern on my map what you mean
17:14 Kaifin: 01:26:112 -
17:14 Kaifin: stuff like this part is a really good idea
17:14 Kaifin: pattern wise
17:14 Kaifin: but its just not executed well at all
17:14 Kaifin: if you executed it more cleanly, this would be really noticeable and really good
17:14 Kaifin: 01:26:931 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - like if these two properly related to one another
17:14 Kaifin: and was then finished by 01:28:567 (1,2,3) -
17:14 Kaifin: it'd look super sick
17:15 Kaifin: a 45 degree angle is any slider taht looks like this 00:04:294 (1) -
17:15 Kaifin: you'll notice most mappers use a "slightly slanted" or slightly curved
17:15 Kaifin: slider design
17:15 Kaifin: straight up and down looks bad (usually)
17:15 Kaifin: and 45 looks bad (usually)
17:16 IceKalt: sry if i dont comment
17:16 IceKalt: need to understand the context first xD
17:16 Kaifin: its okay its a lot of information
17:18 Kaifin: that is about all i have to say though
17:18 Kaifin: mostly general advice, sorry for not as much specific as you may have been hoping

Stack

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Stack 2017-06-26T08:44:31+00:00

"quick testplay"

00:29 IceKalt: ey~
00:29 gottagof4ast: ey
00:29 IceKalt: could you testplay this map again - try to imrove it over time
00:29 *IceKalt is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1312305 Shikata Akiko - Katayoku no Tori [Final Judgement]]
00:29 gottagof4ast: I can't testplay it rn
00:29 IceKalt: want to see if you think it better than in the beginning
00:29 IceKalt: well
00:30 gottagof4ast: I can check in the ditor though
00:30 IceKalt: why not
00:30 IceKalt: thought just that testplaying would be faster
00:30 gottagof4ast: people would wake up if i started playing now
00:30 gottagof4ast: I tap quite loud
00:30 IceKalt: ok ok
00:31 gottagof4ast: I was thinking that your style of mapping did not really fit your classic anime op
00:31 gottagof4ast: it fits this type of song way better
00:32 IceKalt: thats what i thought too
00:32 gottagof4ast: map more like this
00:32 IceKalt: why i immediatly mapped this song after i saw it on pending xD
00:32 gottagof4ast: I like playing them
00:33 IceKalt: its hard to find those songs tho
00:33 gottagof4ast: yup
00:35 IceKalt: btw what do you think about the idea of 00:59:112 (4,5,6) - and02:20:931 (3,4,5) -
00:35 IceKalt: i mean the diffenrece in slidershape
00:35 gottagof4ast: I'm slowly checking the map
00:35 gottagof4ast: its better
00:35 gottagof4ast: but still feels really easy to play
00:36 IceKalt: cause the second refrain isnt so intense as 1st and 3rd and i want to show that through theese sliders too
00:36 gottagof4ast: 01:02:385 (4,5,6) - spacing liek this would be enough if you still want the concept
00:36 IceKalt: well
00:36 gottagof4ast: 00:59:112 (4,5,6) - but these are really close together
00:37 IceKalt: the DS is the same tho
00:37 IceKalt: both 1.6
00:37 gottagof4ast: really
00:37 gottagof4ast: wow
00:37 gottagof4ast: 01:02:385 (4,5,6) - this one is 2x
00:38 gottagof4ast: but meh your choice
00:38 IceKalt: huh
00:38 gottagof4ast: if you want it like this then its fine
00:38 IceKalt: 01:02:385 (4,5,6) - is 1.6-7
00:39 IceKalt: i needed to rearange them so they are not exactly 1,6
00:39 gottagof4ast: oops yeah
00:39 gottagof4ast: I selected them all accidently
00:39 IceKalt:

00:39 gottagof4ast: weirds out ds
00:39 gottagof4ast: 01:22:567 (7,8) - wouldn't this be better as 1/2 slider
00:39 gottagof4ast: it has that extra sound
00:40 IceKalt: hm that would destroy the intensity of that part
00:40 IceKalt: but i know what you mean
00:41 IceKalt: but you think it looks nicer than before? - rearange very much in the 1st refrain
00:41 IceKalt: after kaifins suggestens
00:41 gottagof4ast: it looks alot less messy
00:42 IceKalt: ye that wht he meant too
00:42 IceKalt: now its more organized - expecially after remapping 01:16:840 (3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
00:43 gottagof4ast: 01:51:203 (2,3,4,5) - why are these all so different
00:44 gottagof4ast: all differently organized and flow also changes
00:44 IceKalt: hm i guess you are right - its too much
00:44 IceKalt: i first wanted to make 01:51:476 (3) - stand aout from the restr
00:45 IceKalt: rest
00:45 IceKalt: cause of the strong sound
00:45 gottagof4ast: just wanted to say that
00:45 IceKalt: but its too much there
00:45 gottagof4ast: if you make 01:51:749 (4,5) - similar to 01:51:203 (2) - it sohuld be fine
00:46 IceKalt: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8438998
00:46 IceKalt: this is much better
00:47 gottagof4ast: looks good
00:47 gottagof4ast: 02:15:612 (2) - 1/1 slider? 02:15:885 (3) - has like no sound
00:47 IceKalt: LOL
00:47 gottagof4ast: unless im mishearing things
00:47 IceKalt: this is perfect
00:47 IceKalt: cause now there is flow to 01:52:022 (5,1) -
00:47 gottagof4ast: lol
00:47 gottagof4ast: accidental masterpiece
00:47 IceKalt: thanks for pointing that out xD
00:48 gottagof4ast: planned from the start
00:48 IceKalt: i love those things - when you change something you make others accedently better
00:48 IceKalt: brilliant xD
00:49 gottagof4ast: 02:15:885 (3) - but about this
00:49 gottagof4ast: feels pretty overmapped
00:49 gottagof4ast: nvm
00:49 gottagof4ast: I hear a sound
00:49 gottagof4ast: just really damn quiet
00:49 IceKalt:

00:50 gottagof4ast: 02:20:931 (3) - are you going to change those sliders here too?
00:50 IceKalt: if you wonder - 02:15:612 (2,3) - are for offbeat
00:50 IceKalt: no
00:50 IceKalt: i tried to explanate before
00:50 gottagof4ast: lemme scroll up
00:50 IceKalt: the refrain is less intense as the others - expecially those background sounds
00:50 gottagof4ast: ok got it
00:51 IceKalt: so i dont make the silder so "intense"
00:51 gottagof4ast: still deserves kiai imo
00:51 gottagof4ast: 02:26:658 (1) - starting here sounds pretty kiai-ish
00:51 IceKalt: this is something a bn needs to tell me - opinions are 50/50
00:52 gottagof4ast: k
00:52 IceKalt: its not like something hard to fix later
00:53 gottagof4ast: 02:44:522 (8) - why does this have more ds?
00:54 IceKalt: uh i would argument with build up
00:54 IceKalt: but that dont work so much
00:54 IceKalt: ah i k
00:54 IceKalt: 02:43:840 (5,6,8) -
00:55 IceKalt: ups
00:55 IceKalt: 02:43:840 (5,6) - this jump is equal
00:55 gottagof4ast: oh ok
00:55 gottagof4ast: 02:49:567 (1,1) - thats some nice sliderart
00:56 IceKalt: someone else did that for me xD
00:56 gottagof4ast: lol
00:56 IceKalt: but i did myself in the advanced
00:56 gottagof4ast: Haven't played other diffs yet
00:56 IceKalt: but dont worry - its in the descriptions
00:56 IceKalt: you dont need
00:56 gottagof4ast: idk know about a 30 sec break
00:56 gottagof4ast: seems a bit long
00:57 IceKalt: ufff
00:57 gottagof4ast: there are some vocals that can be mapped
00:57 IceKalt: but not really well iguess
00:57 IceKalt: less intenser than everything i mapped in the slow parts
00:57 gottagof4ast: first break is fine as its like the quiet part after the storm
00:57 IceKalt: i let it so fer
00:57 IceKalt: far
00:58 gottagof4ast: 2nd break is like break after slow sliderart
00:58 gottagof4ast: you already have the break from following sliderart
00:59 IceKalt: the thing is in theese slow parts i want to map to real vocals - not those fading ones
00:59 gottagof4ast: k
00:59 IceKalt: when you know what i mean
00:59 IceKalt: cause thats what i do in theese slow parts
01:01 gottagof4ast: 03:44:658 (5) - flow makes me expect that this should be to the right of 03:44:385 (4) -
01:01 gottagof4ast: 03:43:567 (1,3) - cause these all point to the right
01:02 IceKalt: before this
01:02 gottagof4ast: 03:44:385 (4) - even this one although by a little bit
01:02 IceKalt: i rearange 03:43:976 (2) - under slidertail xD
01:02 gottagof4ast: lol
01:02 gottagof4ast: didn't even notice
01:02 IceKalt: xD
01:02 gottagof4ast: nice placement
01:03 IceKalt: wait
01:03 IceKalt: i need to arrange averthing a bit cause of
01:04 IceKalt: 03:43:976 (2,5,1) -
01:04 IceKalt: theese overlapps all should be equal
01:04 gottagof4ast: gl with that then
01:04 IceKalt: ok done now
01:04 gottagof4ast: 03:46:567 (6,1,2,3,4) - this flow is too gud
01:05 gottagof4ast: 03:47:522 (4) - spacing this more for a larger gap to 03:47:658 (5) - would be nice though
01:05 gottagof4ast: 03:47:658 (5) - has like that extra sound
01:05 IceKalt: tanks
01:06 IceKalt: yea
01:06 IceKalt: wait - yea to03:47:522 (4) -
01:06 IceKalt: 03:47:522 (4,5) - the ds between theese two should show that
01:07 gottagof4ast: 03:47:658 (5) - just more ds to this slider is what I propose
01:07 gottagof4ast: and thats the easiest by spacing 03:47:522 (4) - somewhere else
01:07 IceKalt: done tho
01:07 IceKalt: ;D
01:07 gottagof4ast: k
01:08 IceKalt: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8439133
01:08 gottagof4ast: looks good
01:08 gottagof4ast: almost the same as where I tried placing it
01:08 IceKalt:

01:09 gottagof4ast: 03:54:203 (5,6) - it tilts me that when I flip these they don't match
01:09 gottagof4ast: so close
01:10 gottagof4ast: you never use symmetry over an axis in this map
01:10 gottagof4ast: thats like my go to way of mapping
01:10 IceKalt: uhm could you sc the map as it was
01:10 IceKalt: in this part
01:10 gottagof4ast: sc?
01:10 IceKalt: the placement of 03:54:476 (6) -
01:10 IceKalt: screenshot
01:11 IceKalt: nvm
01:11 gottagof4ast: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8439151
01:11 gottagof4ast: almost
01:12 gottagof4ast: 03:57:749 (5) - this spacing seems unnecessarily high btw
01:12 gottagof4ast: 03:59:112 (4) - while this one gets lower spacing
01:13 IceKalt: fixed a bit
01:14 gottagof4ast: 04:01:294 (7,8,1) - you won't believe howmany times I've choked this jump
01:14 gottagof4ast: no problems with it
01:14 gottagof4ast: just damn difficult
01:14 IceKalt: wait
01:14 IceKalt: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8439167
01:14 IceKalt: a bit better to play
01:15 IceKalt: but still difficult
01:15 gottagof4ast: k
01:15 gottagof4ast: then I can get my nice fc
01:15 IceKalt:

01:15 IceKalt: and get 0 pp out of it
01:15 IceKalt: seems leggit
01:16 gottagof4ast: overweighted mao
01:16 gottagof4ast: mpa*
01:16 gottagof4ast: map*
01:16 gottagof4ast: pls keyboard
01:16 IceKalt: 100% 205 pp
01:16 IceKalt: xD
01:16 gottagof4ast: really
01:16 gottagof4ast: no way
01:16 IceKalt: yea
01:16 gottagof4ast: ffs
01:16 gottagof4ast: thats like +1 pp for me
01:17 IceKalt: well i will higher od to 8,5 i guess
01:17 gottagof4ast: its pretty easy to acc
01:17 gottagof4ast: no triples or whatsoever
01:17 IceKalt: LOL rearanging that jump did it to 5,37
01:17 gottagof4ast: 04:10:294 (3) - place this blanket further from the circle
01:17 gottagof4ast: lol
01:17 IceKalt: ok back
01:18 gottagof4ast: 04:09:749 (1) - don't want overlap with 04:09:749 (1) -
01:18 gottagof4ast: oops
01:18 gottagof4ast: ignore one of the 2
01:18 IceKalt: well i have many of theese overlaps in my map
01:18 IceKalt: but did
01:18 gottagof4ast: This one just looks too unintentional
01:18 gottagof4ast: the others genrally look okay
01:18 IceKalt: oh
01:18 IceKalt: xD
01:19 IceKalt: ok
01:19 gottagof4ast: and it's a super easy fix
01:19 IceKalt: i changed it anyway
01:19 gottagof4ast: thats it
01:19 IceKalt: niec
01:19 gottagof4ast: 04:17:931 (1,2,3) - this pattern is also gud
01:19 IceKalt: nice*
01:20 IceKalt: fits perfectly imo there
01:20 IceKalt: 04:22:022 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1) - do you think thats nice?
01:20 gottagof4ast: yup
01:20 gottagof4ast: like it
01:21 IceKalt: yay
01:21 gottagof4ast: also the places where ds gets more difficult are well chosen
01:21 gottagof4ast: so it works
01:21 gottagof4ast: gtg now
01:21 IceKalt: k
01:21 gottagof4ast: I have to wake up early to study some more
01:21 IceKalt: savelog it for thread ^^
01:21 gottagof4ast: kk

AruOtta

1,303 posts

Joined May 2012

AruOtta 2017-06-26T13:06:31+00:00

IRC mod

hello

2017-06-26 13:48 IceKalt: are you free now?~
2017-06-26 13:49 Kenterz: I still have 2 mods to do but since I won't do them at the moment, I guess I'm free
2017-06-26 13:49 IceKalt: ok^^
2017-06-26 13:50 IceKalt: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1312305 Shikata Akiko - Katayoku no Tori]
2017-06-26 13:50 IceKalt: just the top i duff i guess
2017-06-26 13:50 Kenterz: so IRC ?
2017-06-26 13:50 IceKalt: y
2017-06-26 13:51 IceKalt: was my plan from the beginning

2017-06-26 13:52 Kenterz: so what should I focus on ?
2017-06-26 13:52 IceKalt: uh
2017-06-26 13:52 IceKalt: uhm
2017-06-26 13:52 IceKalt: idk
2017-06-26 13:53 IceKalt: what you focus on most of the time yourself i guess
2017-06-26 13:53 Kenterz: Should I focus on really tiny details ?
2017-06-26 13:54 IceKalt:

2017-06-26 13:54 IceKalt: you can first take an overview and tell what you see what you dont like
2017-06-26 13:54 IceKalt: then you can go like in smaller detailes
2017-06-26 13:55 Kenterz: Also don't answer "fixed" or anything since it's a bit useless, unless there's something you don't want to fix or you don't understand
2017-06-26 13:56 IceKalt: yea
2017-06-26 13:56 IceKalt: im used to irc - dont worry
2017-06-26 13:56 Kenterz: 00:01:022 (1,3) - overlapping (quite ugly)
2017-06-26 13:57 IceKalt: ups
2017-06-26 13:57 IceKalt: xD
2017-06-26 13:57 IceKalt: a question -
2017-06-26 13:57 IceKalt: after fix 00:01:022 (1,5) - are overlapping now - but i guess its not really a problem
2017-06-26 13:58 Kenterz: nop because you don't see it while playing
2017-06-26 13:58 Kenterz: 00:01:840 (3,4,5) - You use a pattern that would involve 4 sliders (you can feel like there would be a 4th slider behind (4) like how (5) is behind (3)) so you should use a pattern with 3 sliders for exemple (like a triangle or something quite linear)
2017-06-26 14:00 Kenterz: like this 00:18:203 (4,5,6) -
2017-06-26 14:00 IceKalt: u think thats working instead? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8442304 (fits to coming patterns tho
2017-06-26 14:01 IceKalt: (u will see in the refrains
2017-06-26 14:01 IceKalt: )
2017-06-26 14:01 Kenterz: Yep, but here you kinda change the distance snap between them, so don't forget to change for other slider similar in the part
2017-06-26 14:03 Kenterz: 00:04:022 (5,6) - I don't feel like the jump between those 2 is good, the 2 drum sounds aren't really that loud and it breaks the pattern of 3 sliders whereas the voice don't really change. I suggest to have 2 circles quite next to each other like if there was the 3rd slider, but converted with circles (then having them closed to each other will emphasize 00:04:294 (1) - a bit more)
2017-06-26 14:04 IceKalt: uhm
2017-06-26 14:04 IceKalt: about this
2017-06-26 14:04 IceKalt: i would let this
2017-06-26 14:04 Kenterz: hmm okay, quite sad though
2017-06-26 14:04 IceKalt: you will see later i guess
2017-06-26 14:04 Kenterz: 00:04:703 (2) - You don't really much of this shape in that part, it's a bit weird so I'd suggest to change it
2017-06-26 14:06 Kenterz: 00:07:567 (1,2) - This overlap is ugly. I think that's because it's a complete overlap, and because (2) touch (1)'s head
2017-06-26 14:07 Kenterz: 00:09:203 (1,2) - unstacked (really minor)
2017-06-26 14:07 Kenterz: 00:09:612 (2,3) - Same kind of overlap, kind of ugly. Also the flow is really weird here
2017-06-26 14:09 Kenterz: 00:13:158 (2,3,4,5,6) - I don't see why you have so huge jumps there when the voice just keep the same pitch, and when the drums aren't really intense, I'd suggest to have a lower distanec snap, then it'd make the transition with the next slow part
2017-06-26 14:10 Kenterz: 00:14:112 (1,3) - Really ugly overlap. You could have the same curve there. Though I'd suggest this http://puu.sh/wuEn8.jpg (and also change (2) as well)
2017-06-26 14:11 Kenterz: 00:15:749 (1,2,3) - This pattern is nearly not a pattern, it's not visually good, and it lacks of a 1/2 slider at 00:16:294 - imo
2017-06-26 14:12 Kenterz: 00:16:567 (1,2,3) - The distance snap is good here, but then 00:16:976 (4,5,6) - is nonsense since it's quite the same intensity, and you could do something pretty like this http://puu.sh/wuErT.jpg (it'll emphasize 4)
2017-06-26 14:13 Kenterz: 00:20:249 (4,5,6) - The issue is less important here, though you should still use the same distance snap as before
2017-06-26 14:13 IceKalt: huh?
2017-06-26 14:14 IceKalt: wait a moment
2017-06-26 14:14 Kenterz: Same issue as the previous suggestion
2017-06-26 14:15 IceKalt: o didnt saw your suggestion over there
2017-06-26 14:16 IceKalt: nah i let the higher DS at 00:16:976 (4,5,6) - (but will nerv it there) and 00:20:249 (4,5,6) -
2017-06-26 14:16 Kenterz: not really any reason why though :/
2017-06-26 14:17 IceKalt: the sound gets denser imo as the pattern continues
2017-06-26 14:18 Kenterz: I don't think so, there's just a little sound before 00:20:658 - to emphasize the note, but it's not that much dense
2017-06-26 14:19 Kenterz: 00:20:658 (1,2) - Why do you suddenly map the note on (2) ? You didn't do it for 00:17:385 (1) - and 00:14:112 (1) - x3
2017-06-26 14:21 Kenterz: 00:21:476 (1,2,3) - You should maybe try to make a pattern with these 3, could be better since for the moment, the SV change on (1) is a bit weird
2017-06-26 14:21 IceKalt: i thought ut feels better with the vocal
2017-06-26 14:21 Kenterz: There's not a note here in the vocals
2017-06-26 14:21 IceKalt: ye changed it already - was just my reasoning when i did this
2017-06-26 14:22 IceKalt: 00:22:294 (1,2) -
2017-06-26 14:22 IceKalt: here too i guess
2017-06-26 14:22 Kenterz: Yep, since you repeat the structure (which is good)
2017-06-26 14:23 Kenterz: 00:25:567 (1) - Here for exemple it's okay since it's the first time of the part there isn't vocal here, so it makes a difference
2017-06-26 14:23 Kenterz: (about the shape)
2017-06-26 14:24 Kenterz: 00:26:385 (1,1,1,2) - Really good pattern speaking of spacing (visuals could be a bit better though)
2017-06-26 14:24 Kenterz: 00:27:067 (2,1) - I'd feel like having a lower distance snap (maybe while blanket (2)) would feel great while playing
2017-06-26 14:25 IceKalt: i wont blanket it
2017-06-26 14:25 IceKalt: but lower DS
2017-06-26 14:25 Kenterz: noooooo xD
2017-06-26 14:25 Kenterz: wait
2017-06-26 14:26 IceKalt: xD
2017-06-26 14:26 IceKalt: didnt do it dont worry
2017-06-26 14:27 IceKalt: the thing is here - its a common pattern i use many times when this comes up
2017-06-26 14:27 Kenterz: wew I'm back
2017-06-26 14:28 IceKalt: btw 00:30:476 (1,2,3,4,5,1) -
2017-06-26 14:28 IceKalt: i swaped this pattern compleatly
2017-06-26 14:29 Kenterz: swapped ?
2017-06-26 14:29 IceKalt: nah i sc it
2017-06-26 14:29 Kenterz: sc ? xD
2017-06-26 14:30 IceKalt: screenshot
2017-06-26 14:30 Kenterz: Ah ok
2017-06-26 14:30 IceKalt: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8442486
2017-06-26 14:30 IceKalt: didnt realzed that there was a vocal on 00:31:158 (5) -
2017-06-26 14:30 IceKalt: until now
2017-06-26 14:31 Kenterz: Is there any ?
2017-06-26 14:31 Kenterz: Not a note at least
2017-06-26 14:31 IceKalt: not it is
2017-06-26 14:31 IceKalt: now*
2017-06-26 14:32 Kenterz: Yeah but it doesn't follow the vocal ?
2017-06-26 14:33 IceKalt: swaped it back again
2017-06-26 14:33 IceKalt: plays wierd xD
2017-06-26 14:33 Kenterz: Okay x3
2017-06-26 14:33 Kenterz: 00:28:840 (1,3) - Quite ugly, but I understand what you want to do. I'd suggest something like this http://puu.sh/wuF5V.jpg
2017-06-26 14:34 IceKalt: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8442508
2017-06-26 14:34 Kenterz: Yeah could work
2017-06-26 14:35 Kenterz: 00:32:112 (1,3) - (3) has a blanket with (1) but it'd be a lot prettier if you make a blanket with the shape instead
2017-06-26 14:35 IceKalt: your suggestion is nice
2017-06-26 14:35 Kenterz: I used the same pattern in my approval map
2017-06-26 14:35 IceKalt: but
2017-06-26 14:35 IceKalt: 00:29:385 (3) - overlaps are quite ugly
2017-06-26 14:36 IceKalt: arrange it a bit
2017-06-26 14:36 IceKalt: with 00:28:022 (1,2,3) -
2017-06-26 14:36 Kenterz: I don't really think so, maybe a bit
2017-06-26 14:36 Kenterz: don't forget to analyze what the player will see of won't
2017-06-26 14:37 Kenterz: or*
2017-06-26 14:37 IceKalt: just dont wanted that it overlapped with 00:28:567 (3) -
2017-06-26 14:37 IceKalt: done now btw
2017-06-26 14:37 Kenterz: Yeah it could emphasize with the spacing
2017-06-26 14:37 Kenterz: 00:33:749 (1,3) - Another ugly overlap
2017-06-26 14:38 Kenterz: 00:35:385 (1,3) - same
2017-06-26 14:38 Kenterz: 00:36:749 (6,1,2,2,1) - Quite ugly too
2017-06-26 14:39 IceKalt: u think https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8442538is ok?
2017-06-26 14:40 Kenterz: A bit better, but I'd suggest to have (3) in the middle of the slider shape
2017-06-26 14:41 Kenterz: Okay so at this point, I think the map lacks of visuals, rhythm isn't really that much good, some structures could be improved, and there are also issues for spacing
2017-06-26 14:42 Kenterz: Sadly, I think it should be remapped ;w; At least, it's not really ready to be pushed forward
2017-06-26 14:43 Kenterz: Let me find some other kind of issues that I didn't mention
2017-06-26 14:43 Kenterz: 00:59:112 (4,5,6) - ugly shapes, and the pattern doesn't really reflect the song (there's no 3 same sounds)
2017-06-26 14:44 Kenterz: 01:17:931 (1) - A sudden 3/2 slider is a bit weird since you don't use a lot of them
2017-06-26 14:44 Kenterz: 01:21:749 (3,4) - not having the same curves makes it quite ugly
2017-06-26 14:45 Kenterz: 02:46:294 (1,1) - I like these sliders
2017-06-26 14:45 Kenterz: Though 02:49:567 (1,1) - aren't as much dense as these 2
2017-06-26 14:47 Kenterz: Okay that's it, then the issues quite repeats themselves
2017-06-26 14:47 IceKalt: k

Realazy

Elite Mapper

1,004 posts

Joined June 2011

Realazy 2017-07-31T01:45:31+00:00

irc mod

02:06 IceKalt: hey ~
02:07 Realazy: heya
02:07 IceKalt: are you free atm or are you busy with uhh
02:07 IceKalt: things...
02:07 IceKalt:

02:08 Realazy: mm what do you need me for
02:09 IceKalt: uhm a small irc would be great
02:09 IceKalt: but a testplay would do too
02:09 Realazy: how long is the map?
02:09 Realazy: i might be able to do that
02:09 IceKalt: it would be one diff
02:10 IceKalt: buuuuuuuut
02:10 IceKalt: 4:10
02:10 IceKalt:

02:10 Realazy: asjk
02:10 Realazy: mmmmight be
02:10 Realazy: possible
02:10 IceKalt: i mean there are lots of slow parts
02:10 IceKalt: wait 2 mins
02:11 IceKalt: im available then ^^
02:13 IceKalt: im here again ~
02:14 *IceKalt is watching [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1243079 Eishoukobu - Oriental Blossom [Master]] -NoFail
02:14 Realazy: send your map
02:15 IceKalt: oups
02:15 *IceKalt is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1312305 Shikata Akiko - Katayoku no Tori]
02:15 IceKalt: uhm fail
02:15 IceKalt:

02:15 Realazy: 220bpm
02:15 Realazy: i cant play that lo
02:15 Realazy: ill try but 220bpm is my arch enemy
02:15 IceKalt: lol
02:16 IceKalt: mine too tho
02:20 Realazy: wait how is this only 5.41
02:20 Realazy: last kiai goes hard
02:21 IceKalt: its more like - its easy for the, who can singletap 220 bpm
02:21 IceKalt: for those who can not (good) its very hard

02:21 Realazy: because of the high cs
02:22 Realazy: well to be honest
02:22 IceKalt: with cs 4 5,59
02:22 Realazy: this is only a personal opinion but i don't like this style of visuals
02:22 Realazy: some of them are subjective
02:22 Realazy: 00:01:050 (1,2) - this for example
02:22 Realazy: the pattern doesn't look very balanced if that makes sense to you
02:23 IceKalt: i kinda know where you going at with this
02:23 IceKalt: theese 2 doesnt look related
02:23 IceKalt: sth like this i guess
02:23 Realazy: yeah, 1 doesn't flow well into 2, visally speaking
02:24 IceKalt: do you think this is like a problem or just a subjective thing?
02:25 Realazy: i guess this isn't that bad but maybe more people will notice it
02:25 Realazy: take it with a grain of salt though
02:25 IceKalt:

02:25 IceKalt: im not afraid about other opinions
02:25 Realazy: 00:05:140 (3,4,5) - but this is an issue for me
02:26 Realazy: i don't necessarily like how it looks but that's not the point, the spacing is really inconsistent with the previous 2 patterns
02:26 IceKalt: im curious there
02:26 IceKalt: cause its like my main pattern
02:26 Realazy: yes i know the map uses lots of those overlaps
02:26 IceKalt: you mean with this? 00:03:504 (3,4) -
02:26 Realazy: and with 00:01:868 (3,4,5) -
02:27 IceKalt: i guess i would fix00:05:140 (3,4,5) - with a higher spacing and lower it here 00:03:504 (3,4) -
02:29 Realazy: probably
02:29 Realazy: although 00:03:504 (3,4) - are okay as they are
02:29 Realazy: because they blanket the wave slider
02:30 IceKalt: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8723567
02:30 IceKalt: made them like this then
02:30 IceKalt: cause if they would sty straight that would look wierd
02:31 Realazy: i think the spacing is still too low
02:31 Realazy: oh wait nvm
02:31 Realazy: 4-5 are good
02:31 Realazy: but 3-4 should be more spaced
02:31 IceKalt: k
02:32 Realazy: think about slider leniency
02:32 Realazy: you don't need to follow the sliderbody for these
02:32 Realazy: so the spacing is much lower than you'd think
02:33 IceKalt: well thats a major thing in this map
02:33 IceKalt: but did that mostly on purpose
02:33 Realazy: yes that seemed like it
02:33 Realazy: i'm not commenting about the pattern itself
02:33 Realazy: but more so how it should be consistent within the map
02:33 IceKalt: but here yea
02:33 IceKalt: here it wasnt really right
02:33 IceKalt: yea
02:37 Realazy: 00:07:595 (1,2) - again this feels out of place
02:37 Realazy: because the previous patterns like 00:04:322 (1,2) - 00:02:686 (1,2) - don't overlap
02:38 Realazy: and spacing is much bigger again
02:38 IceKalt: i guess that was just a misstake of me
02:39 IceKalt: cause the section both did overlap in the beginning
02:39 IceKalt: but i removed them cause of visuals
02:39 IceKalt: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8723615
02:39 IceKalt: fixed
02:40 Realazy: better yup
02:40 Realazy: 00:11:550 (3) - i can't hear any sound on here..?
02:40 Realazy: if anything it's still the same rhythm as before
02:40 IceKalt: there was a reverse before
02:40 IceKalt: but removed it cause of mod
02:41 IceKalt: so i am not really sure about this part
02:41 IceKalt: would you prefer reverse 00:11:277 (2) - or just blank it out?
02:42 Realazy: it's the same as before so why not use 1/1 here too?
02:42 Realazy: but you'd have to do some heavy reworking on that :<
02:42 IceKalt: uhm oups
02:42 IceKalt: yea
02:43 IceKalt: but would be the best solution
02:45 IceKalt: fixed
02:45 IceKalt: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8723646
02:45 Realazy: 00:10:050 (3,4) - i don't mention those usually but they look very off, i think it's because of the blanket
02:46 IceKalt: ?
02:46 Realazy: i mean that the pattern looks weird
02:46 IceKalt: when you cntr+g 00:10:050 (3) - the blanket is alright
02:46 Realazy: compared to00:08:413 (3,4,5) -
02:47 IceKalt: oh
02:47 IceKalt: i think its alright
02:47 IceKalt: ill keep that in mind tho
02:49 Realazy: 00:15:231 (4,5) - according to 00:14:686 (2,3) - they should probably be 1/2 sliders too
02:49 Realazy: cause the vocals are 1/1
02:51 IceKalt: you are probably right lol
02:51 IceKalt: (i shouldnt change somethings so midless cause of mods zzz)
02:51 IceKalt: mindless*
02:51 Realazy: yeah, you don't have to change everything
02:52 Realazy: 00:15:777 (1) - things like these are why your map looks messy visually
02:53 Realazy: considering the intro you mainly use straight or curved sliders
02:53 Realazy: so such a different slider should only be used to stress important sounds
02:54 IceKalt: fixed
02:55 IceKalt: yea theese are the reasons why im not like a good but a average mapper i guess
02:55 IceKalt: when you know what i mean
02:55 Realazy: 00:17:140 (5,6) - you could turn these into a 1/2 slider or something to differentiate these from the last 4 circles since there are vocalshere
02:56 IceKalt: good idea!
02:56 Realazy: well to be fair a lot of the issues repeat themselves
02:56 Realazy: i really can't get to agree on your rhythm choices mostly
02:56 Realazy: 00:17:413 (1) - for example why is this a 1/2 reverse?
02:58 IceKalt: i thought that was fitting
02:58 IceKalt: but when you point it out like that
02:58 IceKalt: its not
02:58 IceKalt: zzz
02:59 Realazy: i mean i don't want to sound like the bad guy or anything like that
02:59 Realazy: but you need to analyze clearly why are doing patterns
02:59 Realazy: in the map
02:59 Realazy: execution is another thing, but the main thing is to know why you're doing things
03:00 Realazy: there are some decent ideas in the map of course
03:00 Realazy: 00:18:231 (4,5,6,1) - this is nice
03:01 IceKalt: btw - i always say "ppls shouldnt be angry at objective critizism"
03:01 IceKalt: so dont think im mad at you or anything

03:02 Realazy: yaya it's just that some people think of criticism as a bad thing when it's not
03:02 Realazy: but it has to be objective
03:04 IceKalt: 00:23:959 (1,2,3,4) -
03:04 IceKalt: do you think that rythm choice is ok
03:04 IceKalt: while i changed that into a 1/2 slider00:22:322 (1) -
03:05 Realazy: if it was up to me i'd probably just use 1/1 because the sound on the white tick isn't too strong so it's not an issue if it's not clickable
03:05 Realazy: having extended sliders here would be a bit wrong since there aren't many of them in the map, and because of the previous reason
03:05 Realazy: but if you changed one to 1/2 slider, then change the other to 1/2 too
03:06 Realazy: stay consistent within the map
03:07 IceKalt: i would do a 1/1 tho
03:07 Realazy: 00:19:868 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this pattern
03:08 Realazy: i see what you're trying to do but
03:08 Realazy: it doesn't work for a few reasons
03:08 Realazy: the difference in spacing between 00:19:868 (1,2,3) - and 00:20:277 (4,5,6) - suggest that there are 2 groups of 3 notes in the song
03:08 Realazy: and that 00:20:277 (4,5,6) - is stronger due to higher spacing
03:09 Realazy: but the thing here is that 123 and 56 only follow the same faint instrument
03:09 Realazy: which doesn't change in intensity, so having 5 and 6 more spaced than 123 would be a bit weird
03:09 Realazy: and 00:20:277 (4) - only follows a drum kick
03:11 Realazy: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8723790 something like this would work pretty well i think
03:11 IceKalt: uhk
03:11 IceKalt: uhm/
03:11 IceKalt: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8723789
03:11 IceKalt: i did sth like this
03:11 Realazy: because you have constant spacing between the circles, and the less important sound, here the kick, is only mapped on a slidertial
03:12 Realazy: wait actually there's no sound on the red tick at all, the kick is on 3
03:12 IceKalt: what is about this what i did cause the spacing between 3 and 1 is reduced there
03:12 IceKalt: lol
03:12 IceKalt: ye
03:12 Realazy: my bad lool
03:12 IceKalt: why did i thought that there was a sound
03:12 IceKalt: wtf+
03:13 Realazy: the instrument isnt very loud so you could've mistaken it
03:13 IceKalt: probably
03:13 Realazy: 00:21:504 (1,2,3) - these make sense in terms of rhythm
03:14 Realazy: but you could've made 1 different from 2 and 3 to differenciate when you click on a vocal sound, and when you click on a drum sound
03:14 Realazy: because 2 and 3 are on drums and 1 is on vocals
03:15 IceKalt: uhm i mapped it like - you should see (1) and (2,3) not as the same
03:15 Realazy: good, because right now since they're all the same shape
03:16 IceKalt: this would be better ? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8723789
03:16 Realazy: it implies that they follow the same sounds
03:16 IceKalt: like 00:23:140 (1,2,3) -
03:16 Realazy: you sent the wrong link lool
03:16 Realazy: yes that one is good
03:16 IceKalt: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8723815
03:17 IceKalt: oups ^^
03:17 IceKalt: btw 00:31:050 (4) - is a 1/2 now
03:18 Realazy: 00:28:868 (1,3) - this overlap is VERY messy
03:18 IceKalt: and that 00:33:777 (1,3) - overlap dont exists anymore
03:20 IceKalt: uh
03:20 IceKalt: yea
03:22 IceKalt: fixedf
03:22 Realazy: 00:37:050 (1,2) - and again.. i just dont see the point in those overlaps tbh
03:22 Realazy: it just doesnt look polished
03:24 IceKalt: i should just remap that part

03:26 IceKalt: fixed
03:27 Realazy: brutal honesty here, the whole map needs lots of readjustments and reworking, rhythm is a huge issue, visuals seem really rushed and there's a noticeable lack of structure in the map, in that the patterns don't have much relation with themselves except for the occasional overlapped patterns that you have throughout the map
03:30 IceKalt: well - like my main concept is the circular movement in this diff
03:30 IceKalt: but i guess its nothing such spectecular
03:35 IceKalt: but thank you very much - yea its getting late and i think this is enough so far - i mean yea im still learning and imo you can learn the best in irc so you can see the writers opinion at its best
03:35 IceKalt: you can ofc post the log in my thread

Dendy

Dendy 2017-09-28T17:53:36+00:00

Hi
Mod requested by Loreley ~~(зачем)~~

Final Judgement

00:01:050 (1) - most of your sliders are connected to each other which making it very good aesthetics, but the beginning of the map seems for little bit out of the place, I can suggest you make connection between first slider and this 00:01:459 (2) slider for better looking
00:02:140 (4,1) - ugly overlap, you can try to make the 1/2 slider go inside of the 1/1, it will have a better look and also will have a change to this 00:01:868 (3,4,5) boring-shape 1/2 sliders

00:28:868 (1,3) - you have very low amount of overlaps which can make them attractive to look, most of them are connections between 1/2 to emphasis vocal or chorus. Try to make blanket to not breaking this concept
00:30:231 (5,6) - seems random for me, any explanation why it has such a large spacing?
00:40:731 (1) - shape seems messy for me, I can see that it's trying to express the chorus, but can u at least change a shape?
00:41:140 (1,2) - better to make them the same, will have a better look at the map
01:53:686 (6) - maybe NC? Vocal changed
02:03:640 (1,1) - while playing this stand out as a spike for me, it's very unusual when the map gets first 1/4 which can be expected as a 1/2 slider, player might drop the combo or just lose concentration. I suggest its just better to make it as a triple to make it more appropriate
02:27:504 (1,2,3) - this slider have connections between each other, this one, not 02:28:322 (1,2,3,1,2), try to make them stand out, as they important too
02:38:140 (1) - perfect
03:17:959 (2,3) - there is no connection between sliders, 03:23:140 (1,2,3) - but there is
03:45:231 (1) - bad shape, try to make it better visually

Collab Hard

00:16:595 (4) - I suggest you can make reverse sliders stand out as they have very specific sound on them, also most of the sliders at the map trying to express the song, so why don't change make this slider more special? Example

00:19:868 (4) - ^
00:32:959 (4) - vocal pulls itself, maybe change it to the slider?
00:34:595 (2,3) - there were no overlaps in a beginning at all, it does not look pretty for the whole map
00:35:413 (1,2,3) - ^
00:40:322 (1,2,3,4) - here sliders are making connection between each other, but here don't 00:43:595 (1,2,3,4) why?
01:43:050 (3,2,3) - bad overlaps
01:50:686 (1,2) - fix blanket plz
02:29:686 (5,6,1) - very uncomfortable movement for the Hard difficulty, most of the map not breaking flow so hard as this part, is just naturally hard to play
02:46:322 (1) - weird shape

Other difficulties generically looks fine for me, gl

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-09-29T03:01:09+00:00

DendyMudak wrote:
Hi
Mod requested by Loreley ~~(зачем)~~

Final Judgement
00:01:050 (1) - most of your sliders are connected to each other which making it very good aesthetics, but the beginning of the map seems for little bit out of the place, I can suggest you make connection between first slider and this 00:01:459 (2) slider for better looking well the blanket connects them - not really less than lots of other patterns tho^^
00:02:140 (4,1) - ugly overlap, you can try to make the 1/2 slider go inside of the 1/1, it will have a better look and also will have a change to this
00:01:868 (3,4,5) boring-shape 1/2 sliders nice idea
00:28:868 (1,3) - you have very low amount of overlaps which can make them attractive to look, most of them are connections between 1/2 to emphasis vocal or chorus. Try to make blanket to not breaking this concept i get your concerns but i already kinda blanket this slider this putting it exat in the middle of 00:28:050 (1,2,3) - . there isnt really a way to blanket this without ruining flow imo
00:30:231 (5,6) - seems random for me, any explanation why it has such a large spacing? uhhhh - the 6 slipped i guess
00:40:731 (1) - shape seems messy for me, I can see that it's trying to express the chorus, but can u at least change a shape? looks nicer now
00:41:140 (1,2) - better to make them the same, will have a better look at the map couldnt made that b4 cause of space problems - now the problems are gone tho so fixed^^
01:53:686 (6) - maybe NC? Vocal changed i only use NC's for the loud drums - would be inconsistend when i would use it for the vocal ~
02:03:640 (1,1) - while playing this stand out as a spike for me, it's very unusual when the map gets first 1/4 which can be expected as a 1/2 slider, player might drop the combo or just lose concentration. I suggest its just better to make it as a triple to make it more appropriate i think its ok here - a triple would just stand out here (expecially cause i dont really express intense vocals as circles)
02:27:504 (1,2,3) - this slider have connections between each other, this one, not 02:28:322 (1,2,3,1,2), try to make them stand out, as they important too uhhmm - see them as 2 groups (with each 2 measures) 1st group (stacked): 02:26:686 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - - 2nd group (unstacked): 02:28:322 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - (like this there is structure)
02:38:140 (1) - perfect thanks^^
03:17:959 (2,3) - there is no connection between sliders, 03:23:140 (1,2,3) - but there is i dont really think there is no connection with the sliders (it isnt just so obvious): -all slider going in the same direction, - all are curved, - if you put 2 and 3 together -> it has the same shape as slider 1
03:45:231 (1) - bad shape, try to make it better visually fixed (still ugly tho lmao)

Collab Hard
00:16:595 (4) - I suggest you can make reverse sliders stand out as they have very specific sound on them, also most of the sliders at the map trying to express the song, so why don't change make this slider more special? Example
00:19:868 (4) - ^ why not - i like my curves
00:32:959 (4) - vocal pulls itself, maybe change it to the slider? i put in filler rythm there
00:34:595 (2,3) - there were no overlaps in a beginning at all, it does not look pretty for the whole map changed it
00:35:413 (1,2,3) - ^ now with new intensity coming i let them be with rising intensity
00:40:322 (1,2,3,4) - here sliders are making connection between each other, but here don't 00:43:595 (1,2,3,4) why? uhh i wanted to connect them a bit - but i failed - ill made it better
-------loreley--------------
01:43:050 (3,2,3) - bad overlaps
01:50:686 (1,2) - fix blanket plz
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02:29:686 (5,6,1) - very uncomfortable movement for the Hard difficulty, most of the map not breaking flow so hard as this part, is just naturally hard to play well - its a triangle rotation 110 bpm singletap with following slider what even at first flows with the motion - i dont see really a problem there (i know where you getting at but i dont see this as a problem)
02:46:322 (1) - weird shape not my best one i need to admit - if i feel like it and/or another person is pointing that out ill ramke that slider ~

Other difficulties generically looks fine for me, gl

Thanks for the mod ~

PantyDev

94 posts

Joined December 2014

PantyDev 2017-10-03T18:08:00+00:00

Hello!

[General]

Are you sure that this central part (02:20:140 to 02:46:322) should not have kiai?
Pls fix troubles in collab insane diff and other diffs
troubles
Nice song

[Iceley's Hard]
00:09:640 (2,5,6) - stack it
00:15:777 (1,2,3) - blanket looks little bit ugly
00:38:686 (3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - such a perfect pattern! i'm serious. But i think u must stack it 00:38:686 (3,4,1) - (3 - start of slider, 4 - center of slider, 1 - start with 4(center) and end with 3(start))

01:07:868 (2,1) - stack it
01:19:595 (1,1) - same
01:20:413 (1,2) - wtf blanket
01:50:686 (1,2) - ^
02:42:231 (1,2) - ^
02:43:595 (5,1) - ^
02:14:140 (2,5,1,2) - i don't see the sense in this sliders
03:41:959 (1,2) - why is this differt sliders
03:51:505 (2,1) - stack it

[Collab Insane]
00:18:231 (2,1) - i think here must be a blanket
00:50:140 (1,2,3,4) - imo it's will be hard to aim this pattern. Reduce the first slider to blue tick please.
00:59:140 (1,2,3) - I will ask only once - these last two sliders are not stuck, are you sure that this patterns(yeah all of them) must be unstack?
01:00:777 (1,2,3) - ^ etс.
01:03:640 (2,1) - stack it
01:04:868 (1,2) - stack pls
01:06:504 (1,2) - same
01:06:504 (1,2,2) - ^
01:08:140 (1,1) - don't do this
01:08:959 (1,2) - ^
01:09:504 (2,1) - ^
01:10:595 (2,2) - stack with 01:10:322 (1,1) -
01:10:595 (2,1) - stack
01:17:959 (1,2) - ^
01:20:413 (1,2) - ^
01:21:777 (3,1) - ^
01:21:777 (3,1,2) - ^
01:22:868 (1,2) - ^
01:57:231 (1,2,3) - ^
01:58:868 (1,2) - ^
01:59:414 (2) - tap is not on a tick
02:07:459 (1,1) - stack
02:13:595 (1,2) - ^ pls
02:20:140 (1) - where is kiai? There is start of strong part.
02:20:550 (2) - clap must be on the start of slider, not end.
02:23:413 (1,2) - mb You can remake these slides so that the last one will stack with 02:24:777 (5) - ?
02:29:959 (1) - why is this slider so fast? in first kiai part it was slower( 01:08:140 (1) - )
02:30:777 (1) - i don't sure that this slider must have be a clap in the end, but in the first kiai part it was be.
02:43:049 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - I do not say anything about other overlaps, but this looks ugly
03:42:368 (2,3) - stack it
03:47:413 (3,1) - ^
03:48:504 (1,2) - ^
03:50:140 (1,2) - ^
03:53:413 (1,2,2) - ^
03:53:959 (1,2) - ^
04:04:049 (1,2) - ^
04:06:231 (3,2) - ^

[Final Judgement]
00:23:959 (1) - clap + whistle
00:26:686 (1,1) - high ds ... or no?
00:27:095 (2,2,1) - stack it
01:54:777 (2,2) - ^
02:31:595 (1,2,4) - mb blanket?

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-10-03T20:25:03+00:00

PantyDev wrote:
Hello!
[General]
Are you sure that this central part (02:20:140 to 02:46:322) should not have kiai? too much kiai time then
Pls fix troubles in collab insane diff and other diffs
troubles
ill fix them
Nice song
[Iceley's Hard]
00:09:640 (2,5,6) - stack it it is stacked
00:15:777 (1,2,3) - blanket looks little bit ugly fixed
00:38:686 (3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - such a perfect pattern! i'm serious. But i think u must stack it 00:38:686 (3,4,1) - (3 - start of slider, 4 - center of slider, 1 - start with 4(center) and end with 3(start)) they dont need to be stacked but changed it a bit cause it was inconsistend

[Collab Insane]

All the stacks you noticed were editor bugs what will be fixed in later updates

00:18:231 (2,1) - i think here must be a blanket i dont really intent to put a blanket here ^^
00:50:140 (1,2,3,4) - imo it's will be hard to aim this pattern. Reduce the first slider to blue tick please. idk what went wrong but there is a greenline missing ~
00:59:140 (1,2,3) - I will ask only once - these last two sliders are not stuck, are you sure that this patterns(yeah all of them) must be unstack? thats how this pattern works there
01:00:777 (1,2,3) - ^ etс.
01:03:640 (2,1) - stack it
01:04:868 (1,2) - stack pls
01:06:504 (1,2) - same
01:06:504 (1,2,2) - ^
01:08:140 (1,1) - don't do this fixed with green line (was missing idk)
01:08:959 (1,2) - ^
01:09:504 (2,1) - ^
01:10:595 (2,2) - stack with 01:10:322 (1,1) -
01:10:595 (2,1) - stack
01:17:959 (1,2) - ^
01:20:413 (1,2) - ^
01:21:777 (3,1) - ^
01:21:777 (3,1,2) - ^
01:22:868 (1,2) - ^
01:57:231 (1,2,3) - ^
01:58:868 (1,2) - ^
01:59:414 (2) - tap is not on a tick
02:07:459 (1,1) - stack
02:13:595 (1,2) - ^ pls
02:20:140 (1) - where is kiai? There is start of strong part. i erased the kiai there cause then it would be too much kiai time in the map
02:20:550 (2) - clap must be on the start of slider, not end. this is wrong here but it is not rule tho
02:23:413 (1,2) - mb You can remake these slides so that the last one will stack with 02:24:777 (5) - ? this isnt really necesary
02:29:959 (1) - why is this slider so fast? in first kiai part it was slower( 01:08:140 (1) - ) this is a collab so not everything in the diff needs to be equal
02:30:777 (1) - i don't sure that this slider must have be a clap in the end, but in the first kiai part it was be. fixed
02:43:049 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - I do not say anything about other overlaps, but this looks ugly uuuhhh well - what should i say about this ...
03:42:368 (2,3) - stack it
03:47:413 (3,1) - ^
03:48:504 (1,2) - ^
03:50:140 (1,2) - ^
03:53:413 (1,2,2) - ^
03:53:959 (1,2) - ^
04:04:049 (1,2) - ^
04:06:231 (3,2) - ^

[Final Judgement]
00:23:959 (1) - clap + whistle good catch
00:26:686 (1,1) - high ds ... or no? wouldnt be necesary cause the 3/4 jumps make it intense enough
00:27:095 (2,2,1) - stack it again a edito bug zzz
01:54:777 (2,2) - ^ ^
02:31:595 (1,2,4) - mb blanket? i dont quite know where but i did it more symetrical

thanks for mod ^^

RevenKz

203 posts

Joined December 2014

RevenKz 2017-10-08T00:48:54+00:00

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Lince Cosmico wrote:
[- - General - -]
- You have some unsnap and sv lines issues that i'lll point on each diff
- Disable Widescreen Support, as i can see you're not using any Storyboard and the background fits both screens (wide and 800x600) so there's no point on having it enabled.
- Add "Umineko no Naku Koro ni" (it's the romanization of the Source)

[- - Rikoukz' Normal - -]
00:04:322 (1) - If you think, this represents sounds from the same part that the previous notes, so i'd recommend you to remove NC here and add it on 00:05:959 (3) - so the NC actually represents the song. If you keep your current NC and add one more to this one, then 00:04:322 (1,2) - this combo would be too short
00:10:868 (1) - // 00:12:504 (3) - Here too, You should do the same NC pattern than above (for the same reasons)
00:10:868 (1) - Also, on this part, Why did you use a repeat slider? This sounds exactly like 00:04:322 (1) - . It could be fine if there was any rhythm progression but there isn't (because it's the only two times that the sound appears), so I think that it would be better to use a long slider OR a repeat slider on the previous one, to keep consistency
00:27:231 (1) - Is this NC really needed? It's part of the same rhythm section 00:26:413 (1,1,2,3,4,5) -
00:32:959 (5) - Why don't you extend this to 00:33:504 - ? It would fit the vocals a lot better than now. Obviouslly the spacing of the next object will have to be changed but it's not a big deal
00:41:686 - I'd add a circle here (with NC included) to add emphasis to 00:41:959 (3) - , the current rhythm is pretty weird and a Normal difficulty player wouldn't expect it imo. As i said the NC thing i'll explain it a bit, because you could just say "But you said before that a 2 combo lenght would be short", yes, but in this case you're following something that only covers a small piece of rhythtm that is pretty singular and special, so it won't be bad to add NC to emphasize it correctly
00:43:322 - You should add a circle here, it feels empty in my opinion. Also, you did it afterwards on 00:46:595 (5) - , so to keep consistency i'd recommend you to add it
00:44:959 - Here it happens again, I highly recommend you to add a circle here and put NC on it using the same reasons from above
00:53:413 (1) - This is just a visual suggestion, but can you move the last anchor of this slider a bit up? or at least fix the circle form (unless it's done like that on purpose) because it feels a bit ugly, but as i said, this is just a suggestion
00:57:231 - Remove this unnecesary green line
01:10:322 (4) - This really does feel weird while playing, I think that you should just use a Circle+Slider pattern like this (timeline) and this (playfield sample)
01:17:686 - It wouldn't play bad if you add a circle here, it would emphasize the next slider in a cool way imo. Also, you added it on future parts (02:39:504 (4) - and 04:01:322 (4) - ) so it would be inconsistent if you don't add it
01:24:231 - It's not an issue, but i'm not sure if you're using it for 01:24:504 (1) - or not, If that's the case, could you move it to 01:24:504 - to avoid confusing with future modders?
01:24:504 (1,2,3) - For this pattern, I feel like it's not really emphasizing the map correctly, as i can hear, following vocals would be the right choice. I'll suggest this pattern for that part, it looks kinda messy but it fits the vocals perfectly and it isn't hard to play. Also, it would be placed just before a break so it would be well placed too.
02:05:140 - Same thing from before (you already know what i'm talking about so i don't have to repeat all)
02:08:413 - Here too
02:32:140 (4) - This has the same rhythm than 01:10:322 - so you might change this here too with the pattern that i suggested before (if you applied it)
03:01:050 (2) - The spacing here feels kinda too high, even if there's that much of time difference it feels really big.
03:41:942 (1) - This note is unsnapped, you might snap it again
03:53:959 (4) - You should use the same rhythm that i said before (01:10:322 - // 02:32:140 (4) -)
04:01:595 (1,2,3) - Why did you switch shapes on this part? In the whole map you used a Curvy Shape first and then two Straight Shapes, but here you did it in reverse, you used a Straight Shape and then two Curvy Shapes. I suggest you to do it as you did before to keep consistency
04:04:186 - Remove this unnecessary green line
04:21:231 - You should make SV a bit lower here, since the part is too much calm and it's also after a "hard" part. I suggest you to put 0,75x
Really good diff, pretty neat, there are some ugly shapes but meh, nothing really bad on this diff.

[- - Advanced - -]
00:40:322 (1) - Just a small visual thing, you could add a grey anchor on the straight part of the slider so it fits the diagonal that made the slider from before
00:41:686 - You could use this pattern instead. It would emphasize the vocals in a better way imo
00:43:050 (4) - Here too
01:07:050 (6) - You should add NC here to difference this pattern from the previous sliders (also for the HP bonus just if someone misses on the previous pattern)
01:16:322 (4) - Is this non-hitsounded in purpose? If not, please fix
This pattern 01:20:140 (5,6,7,8) - might be taken as a square (a square whose all notes are part of the same rhythm), so I suggest you to add NC on 01:20:413 (6) - to difference it from the other circles and also because it could be mistaken with a single rhythm square
I'm pretty sure that this 01:20:413 (6) - and 02:07:050 (1,2,3) - has a similar rhythm that should use the same pattern, so i suggest you to change this 02:07:050 (1,2,3) - into a slider + circle to keep consistency
Same here with 02:05:413 (1) - and 02:08:686 (1,2) - . I highly recommend you to change 02:08:686 (1,2) - into a long slider+circle. It really does fit better in my opinion.
02:16:868 (1) - You could end this on 02:18:231 - and add a circle on 02:18:504 - . There's a sound (02:18:231 - ) that is audible enough to not be skipped and it wouldn't be bad to emphasize it with the slider
02:21:231 (2,3,4) - This has literally zero rhythm in my opinion, you could use a better pattern like this. Personally i think that this would fit the vocals really good, at least better than now
02:49:595 (1) - Missing a hitsound
03:41:959 - Enable kiai on the BPM line and also fix the volume level on both lines (BPM line says 80% and green line, at the same time, says 75%)
03:50:686 (6) - Add NC too if you applied before. With this one you could make it flow better, moving the next circles to the left and making something like this
04:22:049 - As i said in the previous diff, i also recommend lowering the SV here to 0,75x
04:26:959 (4) - You really should make this Slider+Circle. That end (04:27:504 - ) MUST be clickable, it's really loud and it's a critical sound to end the map.
This difficulty needs a lot of work on visuals, most of the slider shapes are really ugly. The rhythm is kinda repetitive on the kiais so it doesn't really follow the vocals correctly. But some patterns were really cool so i'm hoping that you will improve this diff

[- - Iceley's Hard- -]
00:15:777 (1) - This NC is kinda unnecessary, the rhyhm is the same and the vocals doesn't change at all, in any case you could just add it here instead 00:16:595 (4) -
00:17:413 (1) - As I can see you're mapping, it's not a bad idea shortening this slider until 00:17:686 - and adding a slider from 00:17:822 - to 00:17:959 -
00:50:140 (3) - Add NC to keep consistency (you used a 2 combo lenght on 00:46:868 (1,2) - so it would be good if you do it again on the second time), It's true that the rhythm doesn't change that much as it does on 00:48:504 - but it still changes enough imo
01:12:777 (5) - I suggest you to move this a bit like in x:412 y:340 so the spacing gap between it and the next slider isn't too high
01:13:050 (1) - You used a reverse slider here, and then, for the same rhythm you used 01:14:686 (1,2,3) - a Slider+circle+slider pattern. It doesn't really changes enough to make the pattern different imo, so i suggest you to change the second one into a reverse slider (because it fits better) to keep consistency
01:19:595 (1,1) - Snap these two? That overlap might be confusing for the player since the whole circle is hidden by the previous slider
01:31:050 - You should add a circle with NC here (but don't add a break between this and the previous circle, so it emphasizes the vocals). The break must start there, the song claims for it, so ignoring it would feel kinda empty or misstimed for the player
01:44:959 (1) - Remove unnecessarry NC, the rhythm nor the vocals doesn't change too much imo
01:59:686 (1) - Change this into a slider+circle to keep consistency with 01:58:049 (1,2) -
02:05:140 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - This feels more like a "3 - 4" combo for me. Also this 02:05:959 (4,1,2,3) - would be already part of a pattern (in terms of note placement)
02:08:413 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - Same thing here
02:18:504 (1,3) - Just for visuals, stack these two (nothing really relevant)
03:41:959 - Add kiai on the BPM line
The kiais seems pretty neat, i like them. Nice collab

[- - Collab Insane - -]
00:16:595 (3,4,5) - This rhythm plays kinda bad because it's 4 repeats, and nobody expect 4 repeats. I think that using 3 repeats + 3 circles would fit a lot more better
00:17:413 (1) - Missing hitsounds?
00:19:868 (2,3,4) - Here too, I think that 3 repeats + 3 circles would fit better
00:52:595 (4) - Vocals starts here right? Adding NC wouldn't be a crazy thing
00:57:231 - Unnecessary green line
01:19:595 (1,2,3) - I guess you should do here what you did on 01:18:777 (1,2,3) - . I mean, the sliders should be the same than the one from before, i don't really know how to explain it but i hope that you'll understand, basically i mean converting the second triangle into this
01:21:163 (4) - This circle is barely barely visible, You should make it more visible imo, it could be confusing for the player
01:23:686 (1) - I suggest you to convert this into 3 circles so it isn't the same than 01:24:504 (1,1) - that are from a different part
01:30:231 (5) - Add NC? it becomes different here
Remove unnecessary green lines:
01:30:436 - // 01:30:504 -
01:30:709 - // 01:30:777 -
01:30:981 -
01:53:140 (1) - This NC is kinda unnecessary, isn't it? The rhythm doesn't change nor the vocals does so i guess that you don't need it
At least in this diff, the intensity is enough to add a kiai on 02:20:140 - imo. The previous diffs made it easier/not intense as the current kiais so it wasn't necessary, but on this diff this part is the same as the kiais so it would be consistent if you add it here. I understand that you didn't add kiai because the intensity of the song was less than the current kiais but here it's represented as intense so it may have a kiai
02:56:140 - You should add a break after this and end it 02:58:322 - (i don't know if you know since i learned it later on mapping, but you can move the break and these things), it would emphasize more the next circle imo
03:03:231 (5) - This circle should be a bit more to the right i guess
03:06:777 (1,1) - It isn't visible while playing but it's noticeable, this overlap shouldn't be like that, maybe you can move this 03:07:595 (1,2) - a bit to the left so it overlaps in a better way
03:12:504 (1,2,3,4,5) - The rhythm changes here and the vocals start being louder, this doesn't represents too much what we can hear in the song actually, so you should follow the vocals imo. I'm talking about the whole part, not only that stream (03:19:050 (1,2,3,4,5) - )
03:17:413 (1) - The thing from above includes changing this into a long slider
03:25:868 - Why is a break? It doesn't really make too much sense, there are a lot of sounds and voices that you could use to emphasize the epicness of this 03:37:050 - moment
03:41:959 - Add the kiai on the BPM Line
03:47:549 (4,3) - Since you stacked 03:47:413 (3,1) - i think that you should also stack this two
04:08:140 - I don't really know why did you make this part less intense than the kiais, i mean, if you hear you can hear the same sounds that you used for 03:44:413 (1,2,3) - this kind of patterns, but on every diff you did it as if that were slow and calm. I think that you might remap this into a coolest part (also emphasizing the epicness of the song, since this is clearly the best part of it) and add kiai at least, since as i said before, it's intense enough
04:22:049 (2) - Add NC
This is such a neat diff, i really like it, also you kept the concept from the last diff something that i was really impressed! Nice job this doesn't really need work at all, just some things but the diff is cool as fuck

[- - Final Judgement - -]
00:17:004 (4) - You kinda break the flow wiith this circle, at least move it a bit to the right. or use the same rhythm than here 00:19:868 (1,2,3,4,5) - to be consistent at least
00:23:140 (1,2,3) - Why is this 00:23:140 (1) - the only slider without curve? They're suposed to be one pattern from the same rhythm as i can hear so i guess that you should've added a curve there too
01:22:459 (6) - I'd move this circle a bit (somewhere like x:87 y:29). The current pattern makes a really open jump that isn't really comfortable to play and can cause a lot of unnecessary chokes.
01:51:231 (2) - This is just a visual suggestion, but isn't this way too curved? I guess removing a bit of the curve won't make it worse
02:37:050 (3) - hmm, i've been wondering while playing but, What about doing Ctrl+G on this? It might look kinda weird in the editor but try playing and give me your thoughts
03:12:777 (2) - You could add NC here (and similar parts) because here's where the vocal starts. Yeah, there will remain a circle with 1 combo but since this is a calm part and there's not too much spacing between them i don't see i bad
03:28:731 (4) - This circle is pretty confusing and hard to see, maybe it should be stacked with 03:28:595 (3) -
03:32:686 (1,2,3,4) - I feel that the sliders are way too long for what they're, I think that you should lower the SV here just a bit
03:41:959 - You're using 75% volume on your BPM line and 100% on your green line, please decide and fix
03:45:231 (1) - This slider shape is really weird, i suggest just using a simple curve here
04:08:140 - I wont repeat the same, just read what i wrote in the Collab Insane diff about this part
04:23:686 (4) - Add NC
04:23:686 (4,1) - Stacking them wouldn't be bad
04:26:959 (4) - Add NC
Wow! The visuals have some flaws and these things but the concept is really good! So fun to play
This took me like 3-4 hours, but i think that it's worth, Good luck on ranking!

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-10-08T11:56:24+00:00

did took a while that i finished ^^

RevengeZ wrote:
DO NOT GIVE KUDOSU TO THIS POST
(because i'm not the one modding it)

Lince Cosmico wrote:
[- - General - -]
- You have some unsnap and sv lines issues that i'lll point on each diff
- Disable Widescreen Support, as i can see you're not using any Storyboard and the background fits both screens (wide and 800x600) so there's no point on having it enabled.
- Add "Umineko no Naku Koro ni" (it's the romanization of the Source)

[- - Advanced - -]
(general)ik that the advanced need the most work - im still strugleing if should just deleat and remap it or if i should just let it as now and impliment mod
00:40:322 (1) - Just a small visual thing, you could add a grey anchor on the straight part of the slider so it fits the diagonal that made the slider from before did ^^
00:41:686 - You could use this pattern instead. It would emphasize the vocals in a better way imo agreed
00:43:050 (4) - Here too i think you meant 00:44:959 - (used another rythm instead here
01:07:050 (6) - You should add NC here to difference this pattern from the previous sliders (also for the HP bonus just if someone misses on the previous pattern) i nced 01:07:322 (1) - cause thats where the new pattern begins ^^
01:16:322 (4) - Is this non-hitsounded in purpose? If not, please fix oups
This pattern 01:20:140 (5,6,7,8) - might be taken as a square (a square whose all notes are part of the same rhythm), so I suggest you to add NC on 01:20:413 (6) - to difference it from the other circles and also because it could be mistaken with a single rhythm square thats the same nc pattern i use for 01:20:413 (1) - so it'll work really well
I'm pretty sure that this 01:20:413 (6) - and 02:07:050 (1,2,3) - has a similar rhythm that should use the same pattern, so i suggest you to change this 02:07:050 (1,2,3) - into a slider + circle to keep consistency uhhh i think you meant 02:03:777 - - well i highly concentrae on the voaclas here and have sliderheads/ends on the most intense voacl parts
Same here with 02:05:413 (1) - and 02:08:686 (1,2) - . I highly recommend you to change 02:08:686 (1,2) - into a long slider+circle. It really does fit better in my opinion. fixed here
02:16:868 (1) - You could end this on 02:18:231 - and add a circle on 02:18:504 - . There's a sound (02:18:231 - ) that is audible enough to not be skipped and it wouldn't be bad to emphasize it with the slider works well
02:21:231 (2,3,4) - This has literally zero rhythm in my opinion, you could use a better pattern like this. Personally i think that this would fit the vocals really good, at least better than now you totally right
02:49:595 (1) - Missing a hitsound already fixed but didnt upload
03:41:959 - Enable kiai on the BPM line and also fix the volume level on both lines (BPM line says 80% and green line, at the same time, says 75%) oups
03:50:686 (6) - Add NC too if you applied before. With this one you could make it flow better, moving the next circles to the left and making something like this made ot looking better
04:22:049 - As i said in the previous diff, i also recommend lowering the SV here to 0,75xwould work in an advance
04:26:959 (4) - You really should make this Slider+Circle. That end (04:27:504 - ) MUST be clickable, it's really loud and it's a critical sound to end the map.
fixed
This difficulty needs a lot of work on visuals, most of the slider shapes are really ugly. The rhythm is kinda repetitive on the kiais so it doesn't really follow the vocals correctly. But some patterns were really cool so i'm hoping that you will improve this diff

[- - Iceley's Hard- -]
00:15:777 (1) - This NC is kinda unnecessary, the rhyhm is the same and the vocals doesn't change at all, in any case you could just add it here instead 00:16:595 (4) - yea
00:17:413 (1) - As I can see you're mapping, it's not a bad idea shortening this slider until 00:17:686 - and adding a slider from 00:17:822 - to 00:17:959 - nah i wanna let this as it is , exspecially cause i use alot of 3/4 slider in this section
00:50:140 (3) - Add NC to keep consistency (you used a 2 combo lenght on 00:46:868 (1,2) - so it would be good if you do it again on the second time), It's true that the rhythm doesn't change that much as it does on 00:48:504 - but it still changes enough imo done ~
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The kiais seems pretty neat, i like them. Nice collab

[- - Collab Insane - -]
00:16:595 (3,4,5) - This rhythm plays kinda bad because it's 4 repeats, and nobody expect 4 repeats. I think that using 3 repeats + 3 circles would fit a lot more better fixed
00:17:413 (1) - Missing hitsounds? uhhh yea
00:19:868 (2,3,4) - Here too, I think that 3 repeats + 3 circles would fit better same
00:52:595 (4) - Vocals starts here right? Adding NC wouldn't be a crazy thing yea i guess
00:57:231 - Unnecessary green line
At least in this diff, the intensity is enough to add a kiai on 02:20:140 - imo. The previous diffs made it easier/not intense as the current kiais so it wasn't necessary, but on this diff this part is the same as the kiais so it would be consistent if you add it here. I understand that you didn't add kiai because the intensity of the song was less than the current kiais but here it's represented as intense so it may have a kiai i comment this in top diff
04:08:140 - I don't really know why did you make this part less intense than the kiais, i mean, if you hear you can hear the same sounds that you used for 03:44:413 (1,2,3) - this kind of patterns, but on every diff you did it as if that were slow and calm. I think that you might remap this into a coolest part (also emphasizing the epicness of the song, since this is clearly the best part of it) and add kiai at least, since as i said before, it's intense enough comment this already too ^^
04:22:049 (2) - Add NC i wouldnt do it cause it would conflict the nc pattern in 04:24:504 -
This is such a neat diff, i really like it, also you kept the concept from the last diff something that i was really impressed! Nice job this doesn't really need work at all, just some things but the diff is cool as fuck

[- - Final Judgement - -]
00:17:004 (4) - You kinda break the flow wiith this circle, at least move it a bit to the right. or use the same rhythm than here 00:19:868 (1,2,3,4,5) - to be consistent at least i wanted to implement the vocal so another rythm here - i changed a bit the placement for better flow
00:23:140 (1,2,3) - Why is this 00:23:140 (1) - the only slider without curve? They're suposed to be one pattern from the same rhythm as i can hear so i guess that you should've added a curve there too 1. - its consistend like 00:21:504 (1,2,3) - and i made the straight so i can make the heavy drum stand out a bit more - i didnt do it in the other parts like the chorus cause the DS is sloving the pattern otherwise (what here isnt possible with a 1/1 gap) (ok - to made it more consistend i used it in the whole first part
01:22:459 (6) - I'd move this circle a bit (somewhere like x:87 y:29). The current pattern makes a really open jump that isn't really comfortable to play and can cause a lot of unnecessary chokes. ik where you gettin at - moved it to 51 66
01:51:231 (2) - This is just a visual suggestion, but isn't this way too curved? I guess removing a bit of the curve won't make it worse i didnt even noticed that it was this curved lol
02:37:050 (3) - hmm, i've been wondering while playing but, What about doing Ctrl+G on this? It might look kinda weird in the editor but try playing and give me your thoughts nah i dont like that suggestion this much and it kinda breaks my "rolling" gimmick in the chorus
03:12:777 (2) - You could add NC here (and similar parts) because here's where the vocal starts. Yeah, there will remain a circle with 1 combo but since this is a calm part and there's not too much spacing between them i don't see i bad idk but i did this and it just looks wierd - maybe ill do this when more ppl sugesting this but for now i let this how it is
03:28:731 (4) - This circle is pretty confusing and hard to see, maybe it should be stacked with 03:28:595 (3) - i uhh "kinda" fixed that part
03:32:686 (1,2,3,4) - I feel that the sliders are way too long for what they're, I think that you should lower the SV here just a bit players will abuse slider linency here so i dont think that this is too much
03:41:959 - You're using 75% volume on your BPM line and 100% on your green line, please decide and fix fixed
03:45:231 (1) - This slider shape is really weird, i suggest just using a simple curve here (changing exact this slider the 5th time )
04:08:140 - I wont repeat the same, just read what i wrote in the Collab Insane diff about this part sooo - idk about this one - ik that this part is epic but imo its lot of calmer than the kiais - ill talk with the other participants of the collab what they think on this suggestion - ill decide thenn^^
04:23:686 (4) - Add NC i dont think nc (in both suggestions) would be nice cause ill NC per pattern here and 04:22:868 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - / 04:24:504 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - is one pattern
04:23:686 (4,1) - Stacking them wouldn't be bad this was stacked at first idk what happened here but fixed
04:26:959 (4) - Add NC
Wow! The visuals have some flaws and these things but the concept is really good! So fun to play
This took me like 3-4 hours, but i think that it's worth, Good luck on ranking!

Thank you very much for your mod - was a really huge one

Last edited by Icekalt 2017-10-17T11:08:38+00:00, edited 3 times in total.

tatemae

847 posts

Joined November 2014

tatemae 2017-10-08T12:24:37+00:00

RevengeZ wrote:
[- - Iceley's Hard- -]
01:12:777 (5) - I suggest you to move this a bit like in x:412 y:340 so the spacing gap between it and the next slider isn't too highbut I have made intentionally so that the interval seemed high
01:13:050 (1) - You used a reverse slider here, and then, for the same rhythm you used 01:14:686 (1,2,3) - a Slider+circle+slider pattern. It doesn't really changes enough to make the pattern different imo, so i suggest you to change the second one into a reverse slider (because it fits better) to keep consistency 01:15:095 (2) - clap, 01:13:731 (2) - not clap
01:19:595 (1,1) - Snap these two? That overlap might be confusing for the player since the whole circle is hidden by the previous slider at such ar it is better to avoid stacks..if I have correctly understood you
01:31:050 - You should add a circle with NC here (but don't add a break between this and the previous circle, so it emphasizes the vocals). The break must start there, the song claims for it, so ignoring it would feel kinda empty or misstimed for the player yes, I haven't made so because I was lazy, fixed
01:44:959 (1) - Remove unnecessarry NC, the rhythm nor the vocals doesn't change too much imo ya
01:59:686 (1) - Change this into a slider+circle to keep consistency with 01:58:049 (1,2) - these are the different moments, they shouldn't be consistency
02:05:140 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - This feels more like a "3 - 4" combo for me. Also this 02:05:959 (4,1,2,3) - would be already part of a pattern (in terms of note placement) I have put to nc because of a new vocal here to show 1/1 rhythms circles, and it more aesthetically looks.
02:08:413 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - Same thing here
02:18:504 (1,3) - Just for visuals, stack these two (nothing really relevant)
03:41:959 - Add kiai on the BPM line ya
The kiais seems pretty neat, i like them. Nice collab

thanks!!

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Artist:Shikata Akiko
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Fushimi Rio

Fushimi Rio 2017-10-16T10:53:27+00:00

RevengeZ wrote:
[- - Collab Insane - -]
01:19:595 (1,2,3) - I guess you should do here what you did on 01:18:777 (1,2,3) - . I mean, the sliders should be the same than the one from before, i don't really know how to explain it but i hope that you'll understand, basically i mean converting the second triangle into this
nope, keeping consistency is just a kind of personal taste, and it still works well now
01:21:163 (4) - This circle is barely barely visible, You should make it more visible imo, it could be confusing for the player
rhythm is predictable here, it won't be a serious problem
01:23:686 (1) - I suggest you to convert this into 3 circles so it isn't the same than 01:24:504 (1,1) - that are from a different part
changed
01:30:231 (5) - Add NC? it becomes different here not really necessary
Remove unnecessary green lines: removed
01:30:436 - // 01:30:504 -
01:30:709 - // 01:30:777 -
01:30:981 -
01:53:140 (1) - This NC is kinda unnecessary, isn't it? The rhythm doesn't change nor the vocals does so i guess that you don't need it
At least in this diff, the intensity is enough to add a kiai on 02:20:140 - imo. The previous diffs made it easier/not intense as the current kiais so it wasn't necessary, but on this diff this part is the same as the kiais so it would be consistent if you add it here. I understand that you didn't add kiai because the intensity of the song was less than the current kiais but here it's represented as intense so it may have a kiai
fixed
02:56:140 - You should add a break after this and end it 02:58:322 - (i don't know if you know since i learned it later on mapping, but you can move the break and these things), it would emphasize more the next circle imo I think so
03:03:231 (5) - This circle should be a bit more to the right i guess no it's on the correct position now
03:06:777 (1,1) - It isn't visible while playing but it's noticeable, this overlap shouldn't be like that, maybe you can move this 03:07:595 (1,2) - a bit to the left so it overlaps in a better way you won't notice it while playing, right?
03:12:504 (1,2,3,4,5) - The rhythm changes here and the vocals start being louder, this doesn't represents too much what we can hear in the song actually, so you should follow the vocals imo. I'm talking about the whole part, not only that stream (03:19:050 (1,2,3,4,5) - )
from song's general organization, this part should be as simple as possible so it doesn't need fully representation here
03:17:413 (1) - The thing from above includes changing this into a long slider ^
03:25:868 - Why is a break? It doesn't really make too much sense, there are a lot of sounds and voices that you could use to emphasize the epicness of this 03:37:050 - moment yeah I used offset-break here to represent it, has no idea where it has gone...
03:41:959 - Add the kiai on the BPM Line fixed
03:47:549 (4,3) - Since you stacked 03:47:413 (3,1) - i think that you should also stack this two fixed
04:08:140 - I don't really know why did you make this part less intense than the kiais, i mean, if you hear you can hear the same sounds that you used for 03:44:413 (1,2,3) - this kind of patterns, but on every diff you did it as if that were slow and calm. I think that you might remap this into a coolest part (also emphasizing the epicness of the song, since this is clearly the best part of it) and add kiai at least, since as i said before, it's intense enough I think so...
04:22:049 (2) - Add NC
This is such a neat diff, i really like it, also you kept the concept from the last diff something that i was really impressed! Nice job this doesn't really need work at all, just some things but the diff is cool as fuck[/notice]

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Artist:Shikata Akiko
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-Rmdy

72 posts

Joined September 2012

-Rmdy 2017-10-23T22:32:40+00:00

Hi

General

You have different time signatures, make them the same on every diff

Rikoukz' Normal

00:10:868 (1) - there you changing rhythm to something more intense, but then we 00:12:504 (3) - this with pretty strong vocal on every white tick, which you didn't emphasized. You can either lover intensity by making 00:10:868 (1) - this slider like you did others (3/1 slider), or pick up intensity by dividing 00:12:504 (3) - this slider to 2 1/1 sliders
00:10:868 (1,2) - this may be confusing for beginners, as when reverse hits, 2 is already appearing, and it's placed like it will go off right after reverse. You should also consider that slider mechanic is pretty new to beginners, especially reverses. Consider moving 00:12:231 (2) - somewhere around 24:216, and if you do, you might aswell rotate 00:10:868 (1) - by 180 and ctrl+g for better flow
I didn't quite picked up what you were following in the intro. I mean, all these 00:02:140 - gaps have a vocal and a drum on it, so I don't see why you making a pause here, it's rather confusing for beginners (actually not only for beginners). I encourage you to fill these gaps with either 1/1 sliders, or 2 circles, both should work fine on ~~easy~~ normal
00:27:777 (2,3) - ctrl+g would make much more sense, since 00:28:050 - this vocal is pretty strong
Again, I can understand 00:29:959 - this gap, there is no vocal. But 00:31:595 - this have vocal, and probably should be emphasized. This problem may be seen throght all the diff, as far as I noticed. On low difficulties try paying more attention to something one in the music (e.g vocals or drums), and emphasize it as best as you can.
00:32:959 (5) - just a circle here will emphasize vocals more
02:46:322 (1,1,1,1) - spinners are hard for beginners too. These are pretty short, and have a very small gap between them, so maybe it's better to make one big spinner
02:54:504 - why exactly this break starts on the bookmark and not on big white tick?
I noticed you have a lot of different fancy sliders (which isn't bad by itself), but in easy you should be more careful with these thing. As I said earlier, sliders are new for beginners, and by making them fancy you make it even harder for them. (by fancy sliders I mean 02:11:959 (3) - 03:41:959 (1) - 03:55:049 (1) - )

Advanced

01:04:868 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - since you introducing jumps, maybe it's worth using them a bit more? eg for strong vocals like 01:11:413 (1) - this
02:16:868 (1) - pretty bold slider for advanced, I would recommend to not use such sliderarts for low diffs, since it may be pretty hard for beginners
02:26:686 (1,2,3) - 02:40:595 (2,3) - maybe make a jump here too, since you did in first kiai
03:37:050 - maybe make it clickable, there is a drum here. Since start of spinner doesn't give any impact, you can put circle here, and start spinner on bear later
Generally this diff is not very aesthetically pleasant. But if I would mention every aethetic thing for this diff there would be a very huge wall of text, and generally I don't think that aethetics are mod worthy. So if you want to go over them just pm me anytime you see me ingame

Iceley's Hard

00:17:004 (2) - this note feels a bit unnecessary. While 00:16:595 (1) - this follows high pitch piano(?) sounds, and 00:17:140 (3) - this follows vocals, then 00:17:004 (2) - there is no important sound for this circle. So it's better to make a pause here. 00:20:277 (5) - same
00:37:050 (1,2,3) - xO I like it
00:57:231 (1) - 03:40:800 - make it consistent
01:26:550 - this is pretty strong vocal, so maybe it would be better to move slider here, and then 01:26:822 - here not stacking with next slider
01:53:686 (3) - this triple follows nothing, just make it 1/2 slider
02:04:595 (3) - maybe make it like in the begining with two 1/2 sliders on strong vocals. For consistency. 02:03:777 (1,2) - and maybe add a jump here, ctrl+g on 2nd slider should work, try this or this. 02:07:050 (1,2,3) - same, I would recommend something like this here
02:10:050 (3) - 02:14:140 (2) - 02:15:640 (5) - where are these coming from, seriously. While the whole map trying to prioritize vocals - 02:13:595 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - this part fails to do so. 02:14:004 - 02:14:822 - there is vocals, and 02:14:277 - 02:14:277 - there is nothing to follow. 02:15:640 (5) - there nothing on reverse too. 02:16:050 (1,2) - and on these reverses too. Just follow vocals as you did the whole map before (and don't emphasize imaginary sounds)
02:29:140 (4) - move this slider a bit to the left, it's a bit confusing when it completely overlaps previous slider
03:28:050 (2) - 03:29:686 (1) - 03:34:595 (1) - 03:36:231 (2) - make consistent NCs

Collab Insane

Cool contept

01:21:163 (4) - this is pretty hidden, try moving 01:20:959 (3) - a bit to the right, should be better
03:02:686 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't think that you should emphasize them like that. I mean, these sounds that you trying to emphasize here are in the whole part as background, and these aren't any stronger than 03:04:322 (1,2) - these for example, hence they should be emphasized like this. Same goes for whole part

Final Judgement

00:41:686 (1,1) - don't make them overlap like this, it's confusing. Stack 00:41:959 (1) - sliderend with 00:41:686 (1) - sliderstart, or move 00:41:959 (1) - a bit out of 00:41:686 (1) - (like a bit to the right)
01:44:140 (1) - maybe make it 1/2 slider, since there is somewhat fasr vocal
02:05:413 (1,2) - I think it would be great to make something like this, since these vocals are kinda similar to 01:59:686 (4,5,6) - these things
Great diff

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-10-25T14:59:07+00:00

-Rmdy wrote:
Hi

General
You have different time signatures, make them the same on every diff

This diff is Banana - i guess i will remap everything ~ sorry for not answering the suggestions ><
Advanced
01:04:868 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - since you introducing jumps, maybe it's worth using them a bit more? eg for strong vocals like 01:11:413 (1) - this
02:16:868 (1) - pretty bold slider for advanced, I would recommend to not use such sliderarts for low diffs, since it may be pretty hard for beginners
02:26:686 (1,2,3) - 02:40:595 (2,3) - maybe make a jump here too, since you did in first kiai
03:37:050 - maybe make it clickable, there is a drum here. Since start of spinner doesn't give any impact, you can put circle here, and start spinner on bear later
Generally this diff is not very aesthetically pleasant. But if I would mention every aethetic thing for this diff there would be a very huge wall of text, and generally I don't think that aethetics are mod worthy. So if you want to go over them just pm me anytime you see me ingame
Iceley's Hard
00:17:004 (2) - this note feels a bit unnecessary. While 00:16:595 (1) - this follows high pitch piano(?) sounds, and 00:17:140 (3) - this follows vocals, then 00:17:004 (2) - there is no important sound for this circle. So it's better to make a pause here. 00:20:277 (5) - same yea - i wanted to do it as filler rythm but pasue would follow music better
00:37:050 (1,2,3) - xO I like it thanks ><
02:29:140 (4) - move this slider a bit to the left, it's a bit confusing when it completely overlaps previous sliderfixed ~

Final Judgement
00:41:686 (1,1) - don't make them overlap like this, it's confusing. Stack 00:41:959 (1) - sliderend with 00:41:686 (1) - sliderstart, or move 00:41:959 (1) - a bit out of 00:41:686 (1) - (like a bit to the right) did
01:44:140 (1) - maybe make it 1/2 slider, since there is somewhat fasr vocal nah - idont like how that looks like - the consistency is gone then too idk - i just dont like the idea ~
02:05:413 (1,2) - I think it would be great to make something like this, since these vocals are kinda similar to 01:59:686 (4,5,6) - these things i wanna emphasize 02:05:413 - as intense as possible - and doing it like you say would reduce the intensity - it looks fine atm
Great diff

Sakurauchi Riko

1,632 posts

Joined January 2015

Sakurauchi Riko 2017-10-25T15:19:37+00:00

RevengeZ wrote:
DO NOT GIVE KUDOSU TO THIS POST
(because i'm not the one modding it)

Lince Cosmico wrote:
[- - General - -]
- You have some unsnap and sv lines issues that i'lll point on each diff
- Disable Widescreen Support, as i can see you're not using any Storyboard and the background fits both screens (wide and 800x600) so there's no point on having it enabled.
- Add "Umineko no Naku Koro ni" (it's the romanization of the Source)

[- - Rikoukz' Normal - -]
00:04:322 (1) - If you think, this represents sounds from the same part that the previous notes, so i'd recommend you to remove NC here and add it on 00:05:959 (3) - so the NC actually represents the song. If you keep your current NC and add one more to this one, then 00:04:322 (1,2) - this combo would be too short
00:10:868 (1) - // 00:12:504 (3) - Here too, You should do the same NC pattern than above (for the same reasons)
00:10:868 (1) - Also, on this part, Why did you use a repeat slider? This sounds exactly like 00:04:322 (1) - . It could be fine if there was any rhythm progression but there isn't (because it's the only two times that the sound appears), so I think that it would be better to use a long slider OR a repeat slider on the previous one, to keep consistency
00:27:231 (1) - Is this NC really needed? It's part of the same rhythm section 00:26:413 (1,1,2,3,4,5) -
00:32:959 (5) - Why don't you extend this to 00:33:504 - ? It would fit the vocals a lot better than now. Obviouslly the spacing of the next object will have to be changed but it's not a big deal
00:41:686 - I'd add a circle here (with NC included) to add emphasis to 00:41:959 (3) - , the current rhythm is pretty weird and a Normal difficulty player wouldn't expect it imo. As i said the NC thing i'll explain it a bit, because you could just say "But you said before that a 2 combo lenght would be short", yes, but in this case you're following something that only covers a small piece of rhythtm that is pretty singular and special, so it won't be bad to add NC to emphasize it correctly
00:43:322 - You should add a circle here, it feels empty in my opinion. Also, you did it afterwards on 00:46:595 (5) - , so to keep consistency i'd recommend you to add it i'd like to have 2/1 beat gap to emphasize the strong downbeat with special sounds, i did circle afterwards because there isnt the strong downbeat anymore
00:44:959 - Here it happens again, I highly recommend you to add a circle here and put NC on it using the same reasons from above
00:53:413 (1) - This is just a visual suggestion, but can you move the last anchor of this slider a bit up? or at least fix the circle form (unless it's done like that on purpose) because it feels a bit ugly, but as i said, this is just a suggestion i really like the visuals of this slider
00:57:231 - Remove this unnecesary green line
01:10:322 (4) - This really does feel weird while playing, I think that you should just use a Circle+Slider pattern like this (timeline) and this (playfield sample)
01:17:686 - It wouldn't play bad if you add a circle here, it would emphasize the next slider in a cool way imo. Also, you added it on future parts (02:39:504 (4) - and 04:01:322 (4) - ) so it would be inconsistent if you don't add it
01:24:231 - It's not an issue, but i'm not sure if you're using it for 01:24:504 (1) - or not, If that's the case, could you move it to 01:24:504 - to avoid confusing with future modders?
01:24:504 (1,2,3) - For this pattern, I feel like it's not really emphasizing the map correctly, as i can hear, following vocals would be the right choice. I'll suggest this pattern for that part, it looks kinda messy but it fits the vocals perfectly and it isn't hard to play. Also, it would be placed just before a break so it would be well placed too.
02:05:140 - Same thing from before (you already know what i'm talking about so i don't have to repeat all)
02:08:413 - Here too
02:32:140 (4) - This has the same rhythm than 01:10:322 - so you might change this here too with the pattern that i suggested before (if you applied it)
03:01:050 (2) - The spacing here feels kinda too high, even if there's that much of time difference it feels really big. DS should be all consistent in lowest diff, so i have to make such big distance ..
03:41:942 (1) - This note is unsnapped, you might snap it again
03:53:959 (4) - You should use the same rhythm that i said before (01:10:322 - // 02:32:140 (4) -)
04:01:595 (1,2,3) - Why did you switch shapes on this part? In the whole map you used a Curvy Shape first and then two Straight Shapes, but here you did it in reverse, you used a Straight Shape and then two Curvy Shapes. I suggest you to do it as you did before to keep consistency
04:04:186 - Remove this unnecessary green line
04:21:231 - You should make SV a bit lower here, since the part is too much calm and it's also after a "hard" part. I suggest you to put 0,75x dont think sv change in lowest diff is recommended .. i wanna avoid it
Really good diff, pretty neat, there are some ugly shapes but meh, nothing really bad on this diff.

-Rmdy wrote:
Hi

Rikoukz' Normal
00:10:868 (1) - there you changing rhythm to something more intense, but then we 00:12:504 (3) - this with pretty strong vocal on every white tick, which you didn't emphasized. You can either lover intensity by making 00:10:868 (1) - this slider like you did others (3/1 slider), or pick up intensity by dividing 00:12:504 (3) - this slider to 2 1/1 sliders
00:10:868 (1,2) - this may be confusing for beginners, as when reverse hits, 2 is already appearing, and it's placed like it will go off right after reverse. You should also consider that slider mechanic is pretty new to beginners, especially reverses. Consider moving 00:12:231 (2) - somewhere around 24:216, and if you do, you might aswell rotate 00:10:868 (1) - by 180 and ctrl+g for better flow
I didn't quite picked up what you were following in the intro. I mean, all these 00:02:140 - gaps have a vocal and a drum on it, so I don't see why you making a pause here, it's rather confusing for beginners (actually not only for beginners). I encourage you to fill these gaps with either 1/1 sliders, or 2 circles, both should work fine on ~~easy~~ normal the non-mapped white ticks are fairly weak compared to the other ones i mapped, it is the lowest difficulty so i dont want a train of 1/1 gaps expeically in the intro, too
00:27:777 (2,3) - ctrl+g would make much more sense, since 00:28:050 - this vocal is pretty strong
Again, I can understand 00:29:959 - this gap, there is no vocal. But 00:31:595 - this have vocal, and probably should be emphasized. This problem may be seen throght all the diff, as far as I noticed. On low difficulties try paying more attention to something one in the music (e.g vocals or drums), and emphasize it as best as you can.
00:32:959 (5) - just a circle here will emphasize vocals more but vocal is "holding" so slider fits better imo
02:46:322 (1,1,1,1) - spinners are hard for beginners too. These are pretty short, and have a very small gap between them, so maybe it's better to make one big spinnereither way you spin the same amount, beginner wont get 100's on the spinners auto gets 6k (now more than 6k since i erxtended them to red tick) so it will be enough time to spin the given amount
02:54:504 - why exactly this break starts on the bookmark and not on big white tick?
I noticed you have a lot of different fancy sliders (which isn't bad by itself), but in easy you should be more careful with these thing. As I said earlier, sliders are new for beginners, and by making them fancy you make it even harder for them. (by fancy sliders I mean 02:11:959 (3) - 03:41:959 (1) - 03:55:049 (1) - ) tried to be as straightforward as possible, so no selfoverlaps (only very slight) and such - i think it is ok but I understand your concern, ill see if it turns out to be a problem

thank you both of you for mods!

unmentioned fixed obviosuly!!

normal

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tatemae

847 posts

Joined November 2014

tatemae 2017-10-26T16:00:00+00:00

@rmdy
fixed nc
fixed 1 triple, others follow music, its fine
01:26:550 (3,4) - and fixed this
thanks for mod

osu file format v14

[General]
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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 121868
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.3
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[Editor]
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DistanceSpacing: 1.4
BeatDivisor: 4
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[Metadata]
Title:Katayoku no Tori
TitleUnicode:片翼の鳥
Artist:Shikata Akiko
ArtistUnicode:志方あきこ
Creator:IceKalt
Version:Iceley's Hard
Source:うみねこのなく頃に
Tags:japanese blue 古戸 ヱリカ furudo erika umineko no naku koro ni sakurauchi riko imoutosan fushimi_rio loreley
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Fushimi Rio

Fushimi Rio 2017-10-27T16:47:12+00:00

-Rmdy wrote:
Collab Insane

Cool contept
01:21:163 (4) - this is pretty hidden, try moving 01:20:959 (3) - a bit to the right, should be better actually intended to, will consider if more ppl complain about it
03:02:686 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't think that you should emphasize them like that. I mean, these sounds that you trying to emphasize here are in the whole part as background, and these aren't any stronger than 03:04:322 (1,2) - these for example, hence they should be emphasized like this. Same goes for whole part emphasizing vocal isn't a good idea, considering the whole map's structure it should be a rather simple part here

Vivyanne

1,217 posts

Joined December 2013

Vivyanne 2017-10-29T14:27:28+00:00

log on top diff

14:56 IceKalt: o/
14:56 HighTec: \o
14:56 IceKalt: wanna do a irc4m?
14:57 HighTec: i dont have anything that needs to be modded rn lol
14:57 IceKalt: than maybe ticket?
14:57 IceKalt: cause i dont wanna ask someone for irc
14:57 IceKalt: for like nothing
14:58 IceKalt: but its fine when not ~
14:58 HighTec: yaknow what
14:58 HighTec: depends on song
14:58 IceKalt: its this (you prolly know that already)
14:59 *IceKalt is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1312305 Shikata Akiko - Katayoku no Tori]
14:59 HighTec: no i dont
14:59 HighTec: i dont read mentorshipt
15:01 *HighTec is playing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1312305 Shikata Akiko - Katayoku no Tori [Final Judgement]]
15:07 IceKalt: this miss

15:07 HighTec: man i really hated stuff like 01:02:686 (5,6) -
15:07 HighTec: i really loved the idea of going in the same circular motion with your cursor
15:07 HighTec: but seeing you break the idea here makes me sad
15:07 IceKalt: o
15:07 IceKalt: yea i should rework that
15:08 HighTec: like i think if you want to change movement direction
15:08 IceKalt: but im happy that you saw my idea behind the diff
15:08 HighTec: you should do it on places like 01:03:231 (1) -
15:08 HighTec: cause those have a lot of emphasis in the song so it'd only make sense to do something different with the movement there
15:08 IceKalt: yea
15:08 HighTec: 01:08:140 (1) - like this could break movement too to prevent repetivity
15:08 HighTec: same for 01:09:777 (1) -
15:09 HighTec: makes me have to sit more up straight in my chair and focus
15:09 IceKalt: lol
15:09 IceKalt: but you are right
15:10 HighTec: 01:14:413 (6,7) - also feels way too linear for the section, would try something [https://gabepower.s-ul.eu/f9X9YHOa like this] instead
15:10 HighTec: so centre (7) in the triangle of 01:15:095 (2,3,4) -
15:10 IceKalt: yea pretty nice
15:11 HighTec: 00:40:322 (1,1,1,2) - would be nice if these were a little faster and maybe only leave 1/4 gaps after them instead of just 00:40:731 (1) -
15:11 HighTec: to put more heavy empahsis on the difference between the sets of vocals
15:12 IceKalt: i guess i would make 00:40:731 (1) - faster then
15:12 HighTec: if you want the emphasis there
15:12 HighTec: yes do that
15:13 HighTec: it didnt feel as notable as you'd probably want during gameplay
15:13 HighTec: 01:47:413 (1,2,3) - also major emphasis difference in pattern compared to 01:46:595 (1,2,3) -
15:13 HighTec: in 01:46:595 (1,2,3) - the (3) also gets a lot of emphasis due to the spacing being double that from 01:46:595 (1,2) -
15:14 HighTec: but in 01:47:413 (1,2,3) - , 01:47:959 (3) - gets the same emphasis as 01:47:686 (2) - which feels strange to me
15:14 IceKalt: hm
15:15 IceKalt: i just did it so it wpuldnt feel repetative
15:15 IceKalt: i didnt thought about that it is such a difference
15:15 HighTec: w
15:16 IceKalt: ill change that now ^^
15:16 HighTec: !
15:16 HighTec: 01:52:322 (1,2,3) - maybe do something [https://gabepower.s-ul.eu/OX12GytZ like this] instead cuz it looks rly messy rn
15:17 IceKalt: yea
15:17 HighTec: 02:03:777 (1,1,1,2,3) - same point as mentioned before btw
15:17 IceKalt: already changed
15:18 HighTec: cool
15:18 HighTec: 02:20:140 (1) - wait wheres kiai for this section
15:19 IceKalt: i deleated it
15:19 HighTec: but why
15:19 HighTec: feels weird to have 1st kiai be a thing while this is the same
15:19 IceKalt: cause many said that the kiai length were to big
15:19 HighTec: then delete the first too
15:19 HighTec: to have consistency
15:19 IceKalt: hm
15:19 IceKalt: the first one is good compareable to the 3rd
15:19 IceKalt: but the second is alot weaker
15:20 HighTec: hm tru i guess
15:20 IceKalt: i mapped it like this too
15:20 HighTec: it just feels weird xd
15:20 IceKalt: like i mapped the second one more vocal than the others
15:21 IceKalt: 02:36:231 (7,1) - i guess theese are the flow breaks i should go with
15:21 HighTec: 02:28:322 (1,2,3) - these feel really linear, since the sliders dont force movement you get more a playing thing of [https://gabepower.s-ul.eu/VRY5e9Gv this] instead of people making the ciruclar movement
15:21 HighTec: yea thats the flow breaks u need
15:21 HighTec: 02:37:595 (5) - would be cool to rotate this slider up a bit so it catches the movement from 02:37:322 (4) - better
15:21 IceKalt: yea
15:22 IceKalt: i guess i could do that
15:22 HighTec: 03:17:413 (1,2) - this is not properly blanketed
15:23 IceKalt: oups
15:23 IceKalt:

15:23 HighTec: 03:32:686 (1,2,3,4) - idk if intentional but these are way harder to hit than 03:26:140 (1,2,3,4) -
15:23 HighTec: for movement reasons
15:24 IceKalt: ill change theese then when they are too hard
15:24 IceKalt: cause yours wasnt the only complain i got there
15:24 HighTec: compared to each other it's just a big difference
15:25 HighTec: i guess the rest repeats itself
15:25 IceKalt: nerfed it
15:25 IceKalt: yea
15:26 IceKalt: thanks you ^^
15:26 IceKalt: you can post it ^^
15:26 HighTec: np!

Deramok

213 posts

Joined February 2012

Deramok 2017-11-11T17:28:38+00:00

as requested

extra

00:12:231 (5,6) - unlike the other large three note jumps in the intro these aren't really supported by drum build ups but with more static snares. so i'd recommend using lower spacing or another slider. while doing that you could make 00:12:504 (1) - less sharp as it sits on a vocal that continues the phrase rather than starting a new one like in other occasions. so having it more fluid would work better i feel
00:13:186 (2,3,4,5,6) - these are also not really supported in their current shape. they can work as fillers if you really want that but i'd find it much more compelling if the drum beats were reflected properly. basically 2 and 4 are fillers that could be better blank or on slider ends while 6 has two drum hits contrary to 5 which only has one on it's start, which could also be differentiated better.
00:17:004 (4) - why would the filler note carry higher emphasis than the actual sounds. reversing the spacing with the previous three notes would make more sense, though would need a new pattern. otherwise just leaving it blank would work perfectly fine too, giving the following note more impact as a pick up rather than it just being a pacekeeper from the acceleration from the note before it with the only emphasis point being the angle. this one is better executed 00:20:140 (3) - though ofc they're not perfectly translatable with the different vocals on them, concept works similarly though
00:41:959 (1,2,3,4) - i think those would work better as two sets of three decellerating singles for a better contrast to the fast sliders
01:03:777 (3,4) - these notes are very strong with their direction changes and spacing. so much that they take away from the transition on 01:04:595 (7,1) - , making it feel subpar while it sounds like it should be more of a highlight than those low drum hits. a fix example fould be stacking 3 on the head of 1 and mocing 4 around a bit accordingly, gicing the thing a more conjunct feeling, keeping the direction to build momentum untill the transition.
01:20:686 (6,7,8) - took me a while to figure out what bothered me, so it probably fine, but i think 6 should be longer for a better contrast in the build up to the strong note in the beginning of the new meassure. i think it would be good to do so especially with 01:19:322 (6,7,3,4) - before it having a very similar structure and unnoticably lower spacing, making the final transition less impactful due to the similarity, so having it different in such a way might be profitable
01:25:322 (3) - isn't part of what 01:24:777 (1,2) - represent but already of 01:25:595 (4,5) - . so i'd use the same shape. since those three are irregularities within themselfes though you could pretty much leave it int he same spot with something like https://puu.sh/yjIxF/a8f7be72c1.png
01:29:140 (3) - would make a good transition to use the drums and make it two singles
01:44:140 (1,2) - for a reintroduction, as the music does, you could add the note between those. would also be consistent with 01:49:595 (2,3) -
for a similar purpose 01:50:413 (3) - could also be singles
01:54:777 (2) - suggesting to ctrl g for more coherent flow , which i feel would be appropriate due to the vocal transition, and emphasis on the strong vocals, simultanously curring spacing from 01:55:595 (1) - which is on a low vocal
02:09:231 (2) - blends in a bit too much imo. the vocal is stronger than the other ones, so it would be nice to have an emphasising difference. for example having a different direction on the next note by using ctrl g on 3 would have such an effect
02:22:459 (4) - that note eats way too much emphasis for no reason. it's just a filler and breaks the emphasis on the vocal before it as well as making the following one merely part of the same pattern rather than having it be a transition or start of something new. similarly with 02:24:095 (4) - just that it's even the highest spacing in the pattern (same for 02:35:550 (4) - )
02:31:459 (7) - works as a filler, but i'd still suggest to use a slider on 6 instead for the drum (same for 02:45:095 (2,3) - )

insane

00:17:413 (1) - since the entire part has a very strong vocal focus, it's kind of jarring if the longer sliders like this one just skip a vocal in the end while others like 00:20:686 (1,2) - capture it. not sure if there's a system behind that or why it is that way. same with 00:33:777 (1,1) - which suddenly use that click sound that is ignored everywhere else
00:52:322 (3,1) - these throw me off because they confuse focuses. the second set of three singles is on drums while the first one ignores drums and uses the piano with a separation on vocals. the issue with this is that the switch isn't a clean transition due to the drums being ignored during it while that's what it's supposed to be following after it. my recommendation would be to just stick to the drum beat on it as you can still have the vocal emphasis that way no problem
01:08:140 (1) - good on it's own, but it's lacking a lead in (i don't think that direction change is enough of a lead in). it comes out of nowhere atm especially considering it's one of it's kind in the kiai and thus is pretty jarring
03:03:095 (4) - these fillers (on all the quints) is counterproductive to the song representation. and even with that drop sound on it on the first quint.. i don't think mashing it together in a simple curve works too well and it's not present in other iterations either. especially in the later ones it sounds very clear that there should be a gap.
03:41:959 (1) - this transition feels really lackluster or even anticlimactic. there is no impact to it. even just deleting the previous notes works better as it has been done in the other chorus intros
04:13:049 (1,2,3) - not sure why you increase the spacing again on these instead of going further down as the vocals and the pattern previous to it would imply

hard

01:13:731 (2) - that note just seems really out of play in angle spacing and existence.. i'll assume it's an oversight
01:26:550 (3,4) - would work better with both drum and vocal if you used the slider before the single instead
01:53:686 (3) - why does this have to be a 1/4 thing. would work just fine with regular 1/2 notes without creating unnecessary additional noise
02:14:140 (2,1) - 02:15:095 (3) - also don't really have a much of a justification i feel. adding all that visual noise doesn't really make the section calmer either which going by the song it sort of should be. just using the vocals and the bass like https://puu.sh/yjKgR/641380d2bf.png would work out more comprehensively i think

normal

00:27:777 (3) - since all the three whites one this slider are strong notes you migh twant to actually map all of them too since skipping strong notes can easily confuse the focus. it's also inconsistent with the later occurances.
03:49:322 (2) - could be confusing on where to click since head and tail have the same distance from the previous note and the flow doesn't really make it clear either

advanced has some unsnapped objects according to my aimod

Namki

1,281 posts

Joined November 2014

Namki 2017-11-12T17:37:12+00:00

loreley asked for a little mod for hard so here it is...

00:22:322 (1) - that's actually a good sliderart but it doesn't really fit here. It looks a bit to overdone comparing to these simple curved sliders.
00:37:050 (1,2,3) - I find this really enjoyable to play and pretty well-looking but it's a hard, isn't it? So I don't think it does fit here by means of playability. These overlaps may cause some reading problems for this level players as far as I can judge.
01:13:050 (1,2,3) - супер далекий джамп, а музыка-то особо не меняется.
01:45:777 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - ты ведь понимашь, что мне тут не нравится? Слишком много серклов, тут надо юзать какой-то филлерритм. Это же хардик, а не екстра от аляки.
02:16:050 (1,2) - крайне не нравится, как это звучит. Замени, мб, на 1/2 и 3/4 слайдеры, этот 1/4 там вообще не в тему, звук не тот для харда.
02:19:322 - she's doing so much emphasis on that so should you imo. Having a slidertail on such kind of sounds is a lack of emphasis.
The entire part of yours (from 02:18:504 - and till break) is mapped kinda controversially, can't see any following reason to make sliders overlap each other, because the map itself is quite generic and uses clear paths and flow unlike this part. You may want to recieve more feedback about it.

the rest is quite decent
gl

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-11-12T18:58:14+00:00

Deramok wrote:
as requested

extra
00:12:231 (5,6) - unlike the other large three note jumps in the intro these aren't really supported by drum build ups but with more static snares. so i'd recommend using lower spacing or another slider. while doing that you could make 00:12:504 (1) - less sharp as it sits on a vocal that continues the phrase rather than starting a new one like in other occasions. so having it more fluid would work better i feel agreed there - lowered spacing and did a better transition to (1)
00:13:186 (2,3,4,5,6) - these are also not really supported in their current shape. they can work as fillers if you really want that but i'd find it much more compelling if the drum beats were reflected properly. basically 2 and 4 are fillers that could be better blank or on slider ends while 6 has two drum hits contrary to 5 which only has one on it's start, which could also be differentiated better. remade rythm and spacing
00:17:004 (4) - why would the filler note carry higher emphasis than the actual sounds. reversing the spacing with the previous three notes would make more sense, though would need a new pattern. otherwise just leaving it blank would work perfectly fine too, giving the following note more impact as a pick up rather than it just being a pacekeeper from the acceleration from the note before it with the only emphasis point being the angle. this one is better executed 00:20:140 (3) - though ofc they're not perfectly translatable with the different vocals on them, concept works similarly though oups, i forgot to change this rythm after misiterpretating it - changed it back to kinda simular 00:19:868 -
00:41:959 (1,2,3,4) - i think those would work better as two sets of three decellerating singles for a better contrast to the fast sliders i think the slider works well as a transition tool cause its very slow and i dont want to do the same as in the lower diffs
01:03:777 (3,4) - these notes are very strong with their direction changes and spacing. so much that they take away from the transition on 01:04:595 (7,1) - , making it feel subpar while it sounds like it should be more of a highlight than those low drum hits. a fix example fould be stacking 3 on the head of 1 and mocing 4 around a bit accordingly, gicing the thing a more conjunct feeling, keeping the direction to build momentum untill the transition. readjusted here and there so 01:04:595 (7,1) - stands a bit more out - i need to agree thatit was a bit underwhelming
01:20:686 (6,7,8) - took me a while to figure out what bothered me, so it probably fine, but i think 6 should be longer for a better contrast in the build up to the strong note in the beginning of the new meassure. i think it would be good to do so especially with 01:19:322 (6,7,3,4) - before it having a very similar structure and unnoticably lower spacing, making the final transition less impactful due to the similarity, so having it different in such a way might be profitable its fine imo - if more ppl complain i would change this
01:25:322 (3) - isn't part of what 01:24:777 (1,2) - represent but already of 01:25:595 (4,5) - . so i'd use the same shape. since those three are irregularities within themselfes though you could pretty much leave it int he same spot with something like https://puu.sh/yjIxF/a8f7be72c1.png fully agree there
01:29:140 (3) - would make a good transition to use the drums and make it two singles yep
01:44:140 (1,2) - for a reintroduction, as the music does, you could add the note between those. would also be consistent with 01:49:595 (2,3) - i change this for now but i am not really satisfied with it atm
for a similar purpose 01:50:413 (3) - could also be singles yea
01:54:777 (2) - suggesting to ctrl g for more coherent flow , which i feel would be appropriate due to the vocal transition, and emphasis on the strong vocals, simultanously curring spacing from 01:55:595 (1) - which is on a low vocal did
02:09:231 (2) - blends in a bit too much imo. the vocal is stronger than the other ones, so it would be nice to have an emphasising difference. for example having a different direction on the next note by using ctrl g on 3 would have such an effect nice idea
02:22:459 (4) - that note eats way too much emphasis for no reason. it's just a filler and breaks the emphasis on the vocal before it as well as making the following one merely part of the same pattern rather than having it be a transition or start of something new. similarly with 02:24:095 (4) - just that it's even the highest spacing in the pattern (same for 02:35:550 (4) - ) changed spacing
02:31:459 (7) - works as a filler, but i'd still suggest to use a slider on 6 instead for the drum (same for 02:45:095 (2,3) - ) i didnt liked the idea of uing sliders but i did them less overwhelming
insane
00:17:413 (1) - since the entire part has a very strong vocal focus, it's kind of jarring if the longer sliders like this one just skip a vocal in the end while others like 00:20:686 (1,2) - capture it. not sure if there's a system behind that or why it is that way. same with 00:33:777 (1,1) - which suddenly use that click sound that is ignored everywhere else made rythm more consistend there
00:52:322 (3,1) - these throw me off because they confuse focuses. the second set of three singles is on drums while the first one ignores drums and uses the piano with a separation on vocals. the issue with this is that the switch isn't a clean transition due to the drums being ignored during it while that's what it's supposed to be following after it. my recommendation would be to just stick to the drum beat on it as you can still have the vocal emphasis that way no problem compleatly remapped that part before the spinner
04:13:049 (1,2,3) - not sure why you increase the spacing again on these instead of going further down as the vocals and the pattern previous to it would imply imo the intensity of the vocals goes up in 04:13:049 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - in comparison with the previous one so i made it go up again (prolly subjective)

advanced has some unsnapped objects according to my aimod fixed them ~

Thank you very much for the pretty much free mod - apreciate it very much

Namki wrote:
loreley asked for a little mod for hard so here it is...

00:22:322 (1) - that's actually a good sliderart but it doesn't really fit here. It looks a bit to overdone comparing to these simple curved sliders.yea i overdone it there
00:37:050 (1,2,3) - I find this really enjoyable to play and pretty well-looking but it's a hard, isn't it? So I don't think it does fit here by means of playability. These overlaps may cause some reading problems for this level players as far as I can judge. i will get more opinios on this and your last point before i change this ofc if the concern is right
02:19:322 - she's doing so much emphasis on that so should you imo. Having a slidertail on such kind of sounds is a lack of emphasis. i didnt emphasise this really cause the music didnt begin yet - i dont think that more than a sliderend is necessary
The entire part of yours (from 02:18:504 - and till break) is mapped kinda controversially, can't see any following reason to make sliders overlap each other, because the map itself is quite generic and uses clear paths and flow unlike this part. You may want to recieve more feedback about it.
the rest is quite decent
gl

Thanks for coming by o/

tatemae

847 posts

Joined November 2014

tatemae 2017-11-12T21:36:07+00:00

Namki@
Все пофиксил, но один репит убрал, а другой все-таки оставил(для интереса).
@IceKalt
check hs pls 03:40:800 (1) -

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Fushimi Rio

Fushimi Rio 2017-12-05T19:07:03+00:00

Deramok wrote:
as requested

insane
01:08:140 (1) - good on it's own, but it's lacking a lead in (i don't think that direction change is enough of a lead in). it comes out of nowhere atm especially considering it's one of it's kind in the kiai and thus is pretty jarring with low cs setting I think it would be ok for direction changes
03:03:095 (4) - these fillers (on all the quints) is counterproductive to the song representation. and even with that drop sound on it on the first quint.. i don't think mashing it together in a simple curve works too well and it's not present in other iterations either. especially in the later ones it sounds very clear that there should be a gap. nice idea, made some patterns
03:41:959 (1) - this transition feels really lackluster or even anticlimactic. there is no impact to it. even just deleting the previous notes works better as it has been done in the other chorus intros ok, raised the sv

Fixed a lot. Thanks for modding!

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TitleUnicode:片翼の鳥
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-Mo-

Nomination Assessment Team

957 posts

Joined December 2012

-Mo- 2017-12-06T19:29:47+00:00

General
- 02:20:140 - Why no kiai time? This seems to be a chorus thing like your other kiai times.

Riko & Phyl's
- 00:04:322 (5) - 00:10:868 (5) - I'd recommend some NCs around here somewhere since the current combos stretch over way too many measures.
- 00:28:050 - This beat seems significant enough to be mapped to me. I'd recommend a rhythm like you did at 00:31:322 (2,3).
- 00:43:322 - Similar thing, makes more sense to continue mapping here since your current rhythm is following the vocals anyway.
- 02:03:777 (1, 2) - Might be better placing this pattern on the right side of the screen, since you already had it on the left at 00:40:322 (1,2).
- 03:41:959 (1) - I would avoid overlapping the tail with the body to make a more simple shape for beginners, since it could potentially confuse them.

Kanan & Ice's
- 00:34:595 (2) - Seems to be the only slider of its kind in this map so it looks out of place, and the implied flow from this to the next object isn't really smooth either so I would probably change this.
- 00:41:959 - 00:45:231 - 02:05:413 etc - Would be better mapping this beat to a clickable object since it's on the downbeat and it's noticably significant.
- 00:43:595 (1) - 02:07:050 (1) - I would probably use a 1/2 slider for this so you don't leave a 3/2 gap that could be mistaken for a 1/1.
- 01:31:050 - 02:59:413 - 18 and 24 second breaks are pretty long, which could bore players by making them wait such a long time. 01:44:140 and 03:12:504 seem like appropriate places to start mapping again.
- 01:52:322 (3) - Shape seems kinda weird to me since the shallow bends don't really make the shape well defined.
- 02:08:413 - Might as well keep mapping the vocals, even if they did change here.
- 02:13:595 (1,2) - These are close enough to be blankets that you might as well adjust them to be better blankets, they're too sharp right now.
- 02:39:777 (1) - Should be 2/1 snapped according to 01:17:959 (1).
== 02:49:595 (1) - Goes offscreen.
- 04:01:595 (1) - Seems to be missing hitsounds.
- 04:18:777 (2,3,4) - Blanket things.

Lore & Ice's
- 00:46:050 (2) - NC should be over here.
- 00:57:163 - Might as well start the slider here since that's where the sound actually starts. Blue tick shouldn't be unreadable since there aren't any objects before this anyway.
- 01:03:231 (1) - 01:18:777 (1) etc - Single object combo doesn't seem necessary here to me.
- 02:25:049 (1) - I'd probably avoid overlapping the slider tail so much, since the reverse arrow may be difficult to read on some skins.
== 04:01:663 (1) - Wrong snap.
- 04:24:231 (3,1) - Would probably space this like you did with 04:23:413 (3,1).

Rio & Ice's
- 00:26:413 (2) - NC to indicate SV change might be good here.
== 00:39:504 (2) - Offscreen on 4:3.
- 01:21:163 (4) - Don't really like ow obstructed this circle is, especially since it's on the blue tick and the player will have less time to react to it.
- 01:31:050 - Similar problem with long breaks.

Final Judgement
== 00:01:050 - Red and green lines have different sample sets.
- 00:17:413 (1) - Seems to be missing hitsounds.
- 02:47:959 (1,1) - Spacing between these sliders seem to be inconsistent with the others, since everything else seems to be somewhat close to the slider end.
- 03:50:686 (3,4) - I think using a sharper flow between these would fit better to add emphasis on the downbeat where 4 is. Easy fix would be to rotate 4 clockwise by 90 degrees.

Seems pretty nice. Wouldn't mind seeing a few more mods before I recheck this.

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-07T18:20:11+00:00

-Mo- wrote:
General
- 02:20:140 - Why no kiai time? This seems to be a chorus thing like your other kiai times. (i just noticed that my explantion doesnt fit w/ my diffs other than topdiff so ill change the kiai in theese] in the topdiff the focus of my mapping is so much different that i dont wanna include that as my kiai - for example i have there a big focus on vocals and my rotation gimmick isnt as linear as in the previous kiais so i decided on not making it a kiai

Kanan & Ice's
- 00:34:595 (2) - Seems to be the only slider of its kind in this map so it looks out of place, and the implied flow from this to the next object isn't really smooth either so I would probably change this. wait - why is this slider so out of place, oups (i like the shape tho) - ofc changed
- 00:41:959 - 00:45:231 - 02:05:413 etc - Would be better mapping this beat to a clickable object since it's on the downbeat and it's noticably significant.im not a fan of this cause then i would need 2 additional circles if i still want to map to the vocals - then the emphasis on the slow part would have too much density what i dont like - i would stick to my version
- 00:43:595 (1) - 02:07:050 (1) - I would probably use a 1/2 slider for this so you don't leave a 3/2 gap that could be mistaken for a 1/1. yea - 3/2 gaps are too wierd, you right there
- 01:31:050 - 02:59:413 - 18 and 24 second breaks are pretty long, which could bore players by making them wait such a long time. 01:44:140 and 03:12:504 seem like appropriate places to start mapping again. im shortend the first break but i let the second break - idk but the break seems fine to and filling the break would really approve the map
- 01:52:322 (3) - Shape seems kinda weird to me since the shallow bends don't really make the shape well defined. better shape now ~
- 02:08:413 - Might as well keep mapping the vocals, even if they did change here. ahhhh i hated that part - i added a circle the for vocals but im not 100% satisfied yet :/
- 02:13:595 (1,2) - These are close enough to be blankets that you might as well adjust them to be better blankets, they're too sharp right now. fixed
- 02:39:777 (1) - Should be 2/1 snapped according to 01:17:959 (1). changed to 2/1 ^^
02:49:595 (1) - isnt off anymore
- 04:01:595 (1) - Seems to be missing hitsounds.oups
- 04:18:777 (2,3,4) - Blanket things oups x2.

Lore & Ice's
- 00:46:050 (2) - NC should be over here.the NC is on 00:45:777 (1) - because of the pattern - it would fit too cause when i follow the vocals she starts over on 00:45:777 - instead on 00:46:050 -
- 00:57:163 - Might as well start the slider here since that's where the sound actually starts. Blue tick shouldn't be unreadable since there aren't any objects before this anyway.yea - 100x wouldnt be likely here
- 01:03:231 (1) - 01:18:777 (1) etc - Single object combo doesn't seem necessary here to me.not necessary but thats a way to emphazise that intense section more - think its ok and wouldnt be a huge problem
- 02:25:049 (1) - I'd probably avoid overlapping the slider tail so much, since the reverse arrow may be difficult to read on some skins. reduced overlap a bit
== 04:01:663 (1) - Wrong snap.oups again
- 04:24:231 (3,1) - Would probably space this like you did with 04:23:413 (3,1). good suggestion ~

Rio & Ice's
- 00:26:413 (2) - NC to indicate SV change might be good here.absolutely agreed
== 00:39:504 (2) - Offscreen on 4:3. not anymore
- 01:21:163 (4) - Don't really like ow obstructed this circle is, especially since it's on the blue tick and the player will have less time to react to it. fixed
- 01:31:050 - Similar problem with long breaks. reduced the breaks here a bit too buuuut dont see a big problem on them beeing so long - i mean the the song overall is very long so a long song can have long breaks

Final Judgement
== 00:01:050 - Red and green lines have different sample sets. oups (s3 ep7)
- 00:17:413 (1) - Seems to be missing hitsounds. oups (idk anymore)
- 02:47:959 (1,1) - Spacing between these sliders seem to be inconsistent with the others, since everything else seems to be somewhat close to the slider end. nerfed spacing a bit
- 03:50:686 (3,4) - I think using a sharper flow between these would fit better to add emphasis on the downbeat where 4 is. Easy fix would be to rotate 4 clockwise by 90 degrees. fixed it some other way but angle is sharper nontheless!

Seems pretty nice. Wouldn't mind seeing a few more mods before I recheck this.

Thanks a lot man! - i will apply 2-3 mods and then ill ask you to recheck again ~

LMT

535 posts

Joined October 2015

LMT 2017-12-10T03:13:54+00:00

[Final Judgement]

00:49:322 (2,3,4) - decrease spacing for this to denote a decrease in pitch compared to 00:47:686 (2,3,4) - . That would be cool
00:51:777 (1,2,3,4) - didn't get the intention of following the drums at first, might need to make it clearer. Try sth like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9729872
02:15:231 (1,2,3,4) - ^
01:19:322 (6,7) - and 01:20:140 (3,4) - trying ctrl+g these two? The sliders in this maps are quick enough that the player wouldn't follow the slider properly here. Flow should be straightforward here imo.
02:16:595 (5,6) - NC for the sake of consistency with these 00:53:140 (1,2) - ?
04:14:413 (3) - 2 circles for percussions?
04:20:959 (3) - ^

[Insane]
00:07:322 (4) - any specific reason why those aren't 2 circles like 00:04:050 (5,6) - ?
00:13:868 (4) - this as well but it's a lot weaker so it's not very important.
00:51:777 (1,2,3,4,1) - this rhythm is conflicting with the top diff.
01:21:163 (4) - can this be a bit more visible? Since you don't use 1/4 often and it's hard to predict this note. Also if you choose to map the 1/4 there, it's worth thinking about 01:17:890 - placing a 1/4 note in places like this as well.

[Hard]
01:53:686 (3) - 1/4 slider in this section is overkill + don't think the vocals is that special to be emphasised this way.
02:14:140 (2) - I can't hear 1/4 beats here
02:10:050 (3) - ^
02:16:322 (2) - ^, too faint to be emphasised as such
03:59:687 (2) - should be snapped to 1/2 tbh cus drum structure, but if you prefer 1/4 the sliderend should be silenced.

you can ask me to check for lower diffs if you need it, I was just too lazy to look at those xd

gl

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-10T12:35:47+00:00

LMT wrote:
[Final Judgement]
00:49:322 (2,3,4) - decrease spacing for this to denote a decrease in pitch compared to 00:47:686 (2,3,4) - . That would be cool yea why not
00:51:777 (1,2,3,4) - didn't get the intention of following the drums at first, might need to make it clearer. Try sth like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9729872 i like that
02:15:231 (1,2,3,4) - ^ ^
01:19:322 (6,7) - and 01:20:140 (3,4) - trying ctrl+g these two? The sliders in this maps are quick enough that the player wouldn't follow the slider properly here. Flow should be straightforward here imo. really nice
02:16:595 (5,6) - NC for the sake of consistency with these 00:53:140 (1,2) - ? made them consistend with changing that pattern anyways
04:14:413 (3) - 2 circles for percussions?
04:20:959 (3) - ^ some juicy suggestions here - i like this

[Insane]
00:07:322 (4) - any specific reason why those aren't 2 circles like 00:04:050 (5,6) - ? oups
00:13:868 (4) - this as well but it's a lot weaker so it's not very important. yea i wanna show that lower intensity in the song in this last part with not putting that pattern in^^
00:51:777 (1,2,3,4,1) - this rhythm is conflicting with the top diff. its not really conflicting with it - its the same rythm pattern as in the chorus what i have in the topdiff - its just another pattern of the rythm - not really i would have to worry about ^^

[Hard]
03:59:687 (2) - should be snapped to 1/2 tbh cus drum structure, but if you prefer 1/4 the sliderend should be silenced. did ~
you can ask me to check for lower diffs if you need it, I was just too lazy to look at those xd nahh - its fine

gl

Thanks alot for the mod

HappyRocket88

4,322 posts

Joined May 2014

HappyRocket88 2017-12-13T04:32:42+00:00

Please don't give up on this map!!!! >__< It's really good! Please!!!

Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,962 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2017-12-13T04:44:59+00:00

You’re not allowed to mute both slidertick and sliderslide
Nice hitsounds

Final Judgement
00:01:050 (1) - 45 degree straight sliders are really jarring to look at, considering this is literally the first object, use a different shape so player isn’t scared away.
00:21:095 (2,3) - Jump seems pretty large compared to the other jumps with this sound, nerf for consistency.
00:32:140 (1,3,4) - Adding a visual relation to these sliders would be more organised, rather than just being the same angle.
00:40:322 (1) - Would prefer if SV started at 1.4x here for a sharper impact. Maybe use one of those shapes that abuse slider leniency so it’s easy to hit
00:47:686 (2,3,4) - 00:49:322 (2,3,4) - Both have the same general structure but are mapped a little different, just make them a bit more similar with spacing / shape.
00:59:140 (4,5,6) - 01:12:231 (4,5,6) - This pattern emphasises that 4,5,6 are similar sounds, but only 5,6 have vocal. Change this so 4 is somewhere else.
01:04:868 (1) - Vocal would be nice to follow with ½ sliders like 01:05:686 (4,5,6) - since it’s the most interesting part of the song :/ 1/1 just goes over it.
01:17:959 (1) - 1.5/1 sliders like this are actually pretty cool when SV is high, you could easily put a couple more in the other sections.
01:23:413 (3,1) - blanket 🤢
01:24:777 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - This kinda looks messy, I don’t know how to describe it though D: Maybe ask a mentor or something since they know more than me.
01:30:231 (1) - borderline unreadable

^ most of the diff's issues revolve around those, didn't really have anything to say about the other diffs when I looked at them.

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-14T17:52:37+00:00

HappyRocket88 wrote:
Please don't give up on this map!!!! >__< It's really good! Please!!!

uhhh i dont give up dont worry ^^ - and thank you for the random stars

Sinnoh wrote:
You’re not allowed to mute both slidertick and sliderslide o - ill change that
Nice hitsounds thanks ><

Final Judgement
00:01:050 (1) - 45 degree straight sliders are really jarring to look at, considering this is literally the first object, use a different shape so player isn’t scared away. this is thing is a bit "whatever" but ill change it - didnt look too bad to me but idc if ill change that a tiny bit
00:21:095 (2,3) - Jump seems pretty large compared to the other jumps with this sound, nerf for consistency. i nerfed a bit but since 00:22:322 (1,2,3) - and 00:25:595 (1,2,3) - have kinda the same ds for now it should be fine as it is after the change
00:32:140 (1,3,4) - Adding a visual relation to these sliders would be more organised, rather than just being the same angle.
00:40:322 (1) - Would prefer if SV started at 1.4x here for a sharper impact. Maybe use one of those shapes that abuse slider leniency so it’s easy to hit agreed
00:47:686 (2,3,4) - 00:49:322 (2,3,4) - Both have the same general structure but are mapped a little different, just make them a bit more similar with spacing / shape. made them straigt now instead of curved (i like the fading out so ds is reducing with every object tho)
00:59:140 (4,5,6) - 01:12:231 (4,5,6) - This pattern emphasises that 4,5,6 are similar sounds, but only 5,6 have vocal. Change this so 4 is somewhere else. i think this dont matter too much since i dont concentrate on the vocals in the kiais at all (only in the chorus non kiai) - i dont really want to concentrate on vocals at al since my concept wouldnt fit with them (thats why my more vocal focused chorus hasnt got a consistend direction change / not overall so heavy circular movement
01:04:868 (1) - Vocal would be nice to follow with ½ sliders like 01:05:686 (4,5,6) - since it’s the most interesting part of the song :/ 1/1 just goes over it. hmmm - i dont know with it being the most interesting one - imo the most outstanding vocal part is 01:17:959 (1) - its the only vocal that really stand up from the rest thats why i only emphazised this one (btw there isnt a drum on 01:18:231 - ,thats anoter reason why this is an 1.5 slider)
01:17:959 (1) - 1.5/1 sliders like this are actually pretty cool when SV is high, you could easily put a couple more in the other sections. i think i explained it in my point above
01:23:413 (3,1) - blanket 🤢 oups, wtf is this shit
01:24:777 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - This kinda looks messy, I don’t know how to describe it though D: Maybe ask a mentor or something since they know more than me. uhh - i can see myself why it is unclean as hell, changed that to a fitting, nice looking pattern ^^
01:30:231 (1) - borderline unreadable since i had many testplays etc on this map i dont agree here ~ (since nobody misread this section)

^ most of the diff's issues revolve around those, didn't really have anything to say about the other diffs when I looked at them.

thanks you very much for your mod

UndeadCapulet

1,100 posts

Joined April 2013

UndeadCapulet 2017-12-16T07:18:39+00:00

at your req, sry for no stream:

Final Judgement

change diffname to "Final Judgment"

00:04:050 (5,6,1) - this rhythm change doesn't stand out that much when you had such a huge difference in motioning between 00:03:504 (3,4) - and 00:01:868 (3,4,5) - , if you match these arranges closer together it'll make for a nicer feeling (for an example, you do this sort of thing at 00:10:050 (3,4) - already)
00:12:504 (1,2) - this 1/1 reverse followed by 1/1 gap has like no motion to it and is really pacekilling, think you should just use a rhythm more similar to your normal thing in this section
00:28:050 (1,2,3) - and 00:31:322 (1,2,3) - are rly weirdfeeling extended sliders imo, they're kinda just random vocalbeats with not much to them, and then when you reach stuff like 00:36:231 (4,5,6) - and the extensions don't happen anymore, it further makes them stick out
00:40:322 (1) - due to the current small spacing and the increased sv of 00:39:504 (2) - , this has like no power at all to it even though it's a big vocal shout and new musical section
01:20:277 (4,5) - this jump is rly big for this part imo, since basically everything is winding down at this point in the song. save the big jump for something like 01:20:959 (7,8,1) - where things pick back up. similar thing for 04:03:913 (4,5) -
02:02:140 (1) - silly shape
02:02:959 (2,1) - this massive spacing and directionchange takes a lot of power away from the upcoming svchange, think you should rearrange this
connecting 04:22:868 (1,2,3) - and 04:23:686 (4,5,6) - together in spacing and arranging is rly rly weird when you separated 04:22:050 (1,2,3) - from them already

ok big one: the 02:20:140 - second chorus section is rly weirdly mapped to me. you make it pretty clear in most ways that you don't rly see this being as powerful as your kiaistuffs, what with the lower overall rhythm density and rly long sliders, but you have a lot of snappy motions and big jumps still, so it still plays a lot like kiaistuffs. if you rly wanna make a more clear distinction that this section is more melodicfeeling and less powerful than your kiais, try taking out jumps like 02:23:822 (2,3,4,5) - and 02:25:459 (2,3) - , and instead rely more on slidertail leniencystuffs, so use arranges like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9775220 or something along those lines. still gives a pacing increase but is much smootherfeeling to fit this part of the song better

other than that, you have a habit of spiraling in the same direction for somewhat long periods of time, going just clockwise/counterclockwise over and over. it's not so bad that it makes for a poor play experience, but it does lead to some things not feeling as powerful as they would if you paid more mind to changing directions. just keep it in mind for future maps i suppose

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rio and ice

01:44:959 (2,3,4) - and 01:48:232 (2,3,4) - are odd rhythm choices, i don't rly hear anything of note on these redticks

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lore and ice

00:39:504 (4,1) - pretty big ww

sup qat you like my extensive bn worthy mods i hope so

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rest of the spread

need a diff between the current advanced and hard. "advanced" is almost exclusively 1/1, while hard is primarily 1/2 and features jumps and svchanges and sliderleniencystuffs and stacking arranges and blahblah you get the idea.
advanced is just a normal, and the current normal is an easy. so rename them accordingly ^^'

diffs themselves are ok though

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Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-16T14:01:29+00:00

UndeadCapulet wrote:
at your req, sry for no stream:
Final Judgement
change diffname to "Final Judgment" LOL nobody noticed that at all

00:04:050 (5,6,1) - this rhythm change doesn't stand out that much when you had such a huge difference in motioning between 00:03:504 (3,4) - and 00:01:868 (3,4,5) - , if you match these arranges closer together it'll make for a nicer feeling (for an example, you do this sort of thing at 00:10:050 (3,4) - already) made the contrast more clearer
00:12:504 (1,2) - this 1/1 reverse followed by 1/1 gap has like no motion to it and is really pacekilling, think you should just use a rhythm more similar to your normal thing in this section yea - added a circle as a filler
00:28:050 (1,2,3) - and 00:31:322 (1,2,3) - are rly weirdfeeling extended sliders imo, they're kinda just random vocalbeats with not much to them, and then when you reach stuff like 00:36:231 (4,5,6) - and the extensions don't happen anymore, it further makes them stick out imo i made them sick out enough with alot different spacing (and even different combo colors) - adding to that i dont want 00:36:231 (4,5,6) - to have the same feeling as theese you mentioned cause for me at 00:33:777 - a kinda buildup is happening in the music where theese pattern should change cause they dont give me the same feeling
00:40:322 (1) - due to the current small spacing and the increased sv of 00:39:504 (2) - , this has like no power at all to it even though it's a big vocal shout and new musical section remapped that intense part so i can better work around it ~
01:20:277 (4,5) - this jump is rly big for this part imo, since basically everything is winding down at this point in the song. save the big jump for something like 01:20:959 (7,8,1) - where things pick back up. similar thing for 04:03:913 (4,5) - i nerfed + buffed the part here and there but i dont think changing 04:03:913 (4,5) - is necessary since the contrast isnt too high
02:02:140 (1) - silly shape :(
02:02:959 (2,1) - this massive spacing and directionchange takes a lot of power away from the upcoming svchange, think you should rearrange this i need to diagree that it takes away the power there - the slider arent really fast and making it more stand out would be too surprising for the players
connecting 04:22:868 (1,2,3) - and 04:23:686 (4,5,6) - together in spacing and arranging is rly rly weird when you separated 04:22:050 (1,2,3) - from them already i dont think so cause when the slider 04:21:231 (1,1,2,3) - wouldnt be there it would be 6 circles too like in the following patterns ~
ok big one: the 02:20:140 - second chorus section is rly weirdly mapped to me. you make it pretty clear in most ways that you don't rly see this being as powerful as your kiaistuffs, what with the lower overall rhythm density and rly long sliders, but you have a lot of snappy motions and big jumps still, so it still plays a lot like kiaistuffs. if you rly wanna make a more clear distinction that this section is more melodicfeeling and less powerful than your kiais, try taking out jumps like 02:23:822 (2,3,4,5) - and 02:25:459 (2,3) - , and instead rely more on slidertail leniencystuffs, so use arranges like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9775220 or something along those lines. still gives a pacing increase but is much smootherfeeling to fit this part of the song better i guess the idea is quite nice - ill lower the circle spacing overall in this part

other than that, you have a habit of spiraling in the same direction for somewhat long periods of time, going just clockwise/counterclockwise over and over. it's not so bad that it makes for a poor play experience, but it does lead to some things not feeling as powerful as they would if you paid more mind to changing directions. just keep it in mind for future maps i suppose uhh its kinda the gimmick in the map that it is so circular :/

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rio and ice
01:44:959 (2,3,4) - and 01:48:232 (2,3,4) - are odd rhythm choices, i don't rly hear anything of note on these redticks i guess its ok but i might change this later

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lore and ice
00:39:504 (4,1) - pretty big ww damn yea it is, baby (this is fine tho - i asked a few ppl to check this)

sup qat you like my extensive bn worthy mods i hope so :ok_hand:

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rest of the spread
need a diff between the current advanced and hard. "advanced" is almost exclusively 1/1, while hard is primarily 1/2 and features jumps and svchanges and sliderleniencystuffs and stacking arranges and blahblah you get the idea.
advanced is just a normal, and the current normal is an easy. so rename them accordingly ^^' ill name the diffs like you said but adding another diff isnt really necessary imo cause you could argue too thati introduced high sv for the adv so calling is normal is risky two - in conclusion you could even argue that i should do another additional diff between adv + normal but since he adv is a "filler diff" in its own it would be too much imo

diffs themselves are ok though

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gl

Thanks alot

appreciate it ^^

Last edited by Icekalt 2017-12-16T14:20:21+00:00, edited 3 times in total.

Trynna

714 posts

Joined May 2013

Trynna 2017-12-16T14:06:11+00:00

o he asked for some feedbox on normal difficulty (emphasis on difficulty)

irc

2017-12-16 10:56 IceKalt: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1324311 Shikata Akiko - Katayoku no Tori [Kanan & Ice's Normal]]
2017-12-16 10:58 IceKalt: (uhh i remind that im struggling if i call this a normal/adv spread or a easy/normal spread)
2017-12-16 10:59 Trynna: haha easy diff with normal icon 
2017-12-16 10:59 Trynna: is that me 
2017-12-16 10:59 IceKalt: yea.
2017-12-16 11:00 IceKalt: i hate this :D
2017-12-16 11:00 Trynna: that was a joke cuz i have 2 ranked ez diffs with normal icon on both lol 
2017-12-16 11:00 IceKalt: i guess i will stick to advanced in the end tho since a few sliders could be too hard for a "normal"
2017-12-16 11:01 Trynna: lemme see spread btw cuz usually easy with normal icon and normal with hard icon is not that common
2017-12-16 11:01 IceKalt: yea
2017-12-16 11:01 IceKalt: i just changed it due UCs request
2017-12-16 11:01 IceKalt: dont know if im stick to it tho
2017-12-16 11:01 Trynna: holy that sv 
2017-12-16 11:03 Trynna: this song is so gud i can listen to it for hours 
2017-12-16 11:03 IceKalt: me >making a 20 min set lol
2017-12-16 11:03 IceKalt: so kinda same :D
2017-12-16 11:04 Trynna: uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh yea
2017-12-16 11:04 Trynna: normal is really really harder than a normal shud b
2017-12-16 11:05 IceKalt: so adv would be better you say?
2017-12-16 11:05 IceKalt: (and ill name the easy normal again)
2017-12-16 11:05 IceKalt: like i did before i guess
2017-12-16 11:05 Trynna: the thing is 
2017-12-16 11:05 Trynna: easy is a common easy 
2017-12-16 11:05 Trynna: so it wouldn't fit as a normal 
2017-12-16 11:05 Trynna: the thing with your normal is 
2017-12-16 11:05 Trynna: spacing is really really big 
2017-12-16 11:06 Trynna: and sv is kinda uuh death to all noobs
2017-12-16 11:06 IceKalt: hmm
2017-12-16 11:06 IceKalt: thats the compleat opposide what UC said btw :D
2017-12-16 11:06 Trynna: also shapes like 00:53:413 (1) - is not that greatful to newbies to go through 
2017-12-16 11:07 IceKalt: o
2017-12-16 11:07 Trynna: honestly, i've been watchin a friend of mine that was learning stuff 
2017-12-16 11:07 Trynna: so i had the chance to know what a newbie player feels like again 
2017-12-16 11:07 Trynna: and yea it's just adasfdsadsa to them to go through things like that
2017-12-16 11:08 IceKalt: https://puu.sh/yHDfn/9d41819119.png
2017-12-16 11:08 IceKalt: thats what UC said btw
2017-12-16 11:08 IceKalt: now im a bit confused :D
2017-12-16 11:08 IceKalt: on what i should do
2017-12-16 11:08 Trynna: hm 
2017-12-16 11:09 IceKalt: here he is saying that the hard is like too hard in comparison with the adv
2017-12-16 11:09 IceKalt: and you say the adv is too hard than the normal
2017-12-16 11:09 Trynna: uuh like 
2017-12-16 11:10 IceKalt: i also dont want to change too much stuff cause i was originaly planning on calling mo for a recheck so he cam bubble
2017-12-16 11:10 IceKalt: with changing too much stuff i mean like adding a whole difficulty
2017-12-16 11:10 IceKalt: and i dont think thats necessary
2017-12-16 11:13 Trynna: i also don't believe stuff like 02:32:958 (8,1) - is a real thing to normal players 
2017-12-16 11:13 Trynna: i mean you won't really see stuff like that on harder difficulties 
2017-12-16 11:13 Trynna: flow could be improved
2017-12-16 11:14 Trynna: the other shapes are a bit harsh but they are ok 
2017-12-16 11:15 IceKalt: hm i guess i will rename to advanced + normal again
2017-12-16 11:15 IceKalt: i mean
2017-12-16 11:15 Trynna: they would probably be shaking the cursor already, so putting some patterns like this 03:53:959 (5,6,7,8,1) - would be a free break
2017-12-16 11:15 IceKalt: i would love to name it easy + adv in the end
2017-12-16 11:16 Trynna: cuz 03:54:504 (7,8,1) - is a bit too much 
2017-12-16 11:16 IceKalt: o
2017-12-16 11:16 Trynna: improving the curve would be :ok_hand: 
2017-12-16 11:16 IceKalt: yea
2017-12-16 11:17 Trynna: i mean, if you consider that the easy diff has some high sv already, the only thing that could be hard to deal with would be the spacing 
2017-12-16 11:17 Trynna: but easy does it 0.8 and u did 1x 
2017-12-16 11:17 Trynna: so it's objectively whatever
2017-12-16 11:17 Trynna: you can go with easy - normal 
2017-12-16 11:17 Trynna: but if you show it to a player and say 
2017-12-16 11:17 Trynna: go and fc that shiet
2017-12-16 11:17 Trynna: he would prob have a lot of trouble 
2017-12-16 11:18 IceKalt: thats why i would prefer calling it adv :D
2017-12-16 11:18 Trynna: you don't need to 
2017-12-16 11:18 Trynna: just take that yo your future maps 
2017-12-16 11:18 Trynna: to* 
2017-12-16 11:18 IceKalt: k ~
2017-12-16 11:20 Trynna: oh also 
2017-12-16 11:20 Trynna: is it really necessary to drop your nc pattern here 02:03:777 - 
2017-12-16 11:20 Trynna: goes kinda agains the rest of the map 
2017-12-16 11:20 IceKalt: yea
2017-12-16 11:20 IceKalt: :D
2017-12-16 11:21 IceKalt: thats right
2017-12-16 11:21 IceKalt: but i wanna somehow show
2017-12-16 11:21 Trynna: vocals i know
2017-12-16 11:21 IceKalt: that this part in the music is drasicly different
2017-12-16 11:21 Trynna: but idk if this really matters at this point
2017-12-16 11:21 IceKalt: so i wanna implement different combo colors
2017-12-16 11:21 Trynna: cuz other parts are also really different and intense and u just kept that pattern 
2017-12-16 11:21 Trynna: like on kiai 
2017-12-16 11:21 IceKalt: like i did in every diff
2017-12-16 11:22 IceKalt: yea but like
2017-12-16 11:22 IceKalt: 02:03:777 (1,2) -
2017-12-16 11:22 IceKalt: there are just 2 notes
2017-12-16 11:23 IceKalt: i guess its my way to try to emphasize the music
2017-12-16 11:23 IceKalt: in low diffs
2017-12-16 11:23 Trynna: what about covering 02:04:186 - since u did it on the other part tho 
2017-12-16 11:23 Trynna: at least u wouldn't keep a whole combo with 2 objects
2017-12-16 11:24 IceKalt: hm
2017-12-16 11:24 IceKalt: thats a thing i could work with
2017-12-16 11:25 IceKalt: yea i change that
2017-12-16 11:25 Trynna: 03:47:686 (5,2) - aesthetics are cryin rn 
2017-12-16 11:26 IceKalt: lol
2017-12-16 11:26 Trynna: ur not Trynna to overlap random stuff all the time u kno!?!
2017-12-16 11:26 IceKalt: but what if i am :eyes:
2017-12-16 11:27 Trynna: actually a joke but avoid those tiny accidentally 
2017-12-16 11:27 Trynna: 04:16:322 (1,2) - thats weirddd
2017-12-16 11:27 Trynna: cuz actually u can cover a sound at 04:18:504 - 
2017-12-16 11:27 Trynna: and the spacing also implies that the slider is there
2017-12-16 11:27 Trynna: and it is now so i tilt 
2017-12-16 11:28 Trynna: spacing 04:26:959 (4,1) - tho 
2017-12-16 11:28 IceKalt: but i wanna undermap :D
2017-12-16 11:29 IceKalt: o
2017-12-16 11:29 IceKalt: oups
2017-12-16 11:29 IceKalt: xD
2017-12-16 11:29 IceKalt: no
2017-12-16 11:29 IceKalt: wait
2017-12-16 11:29 IceKalt: it is right
2017-12-16 11:29 IceKalt: mo it is not nvm :D
2017-12-16 11:29 Trynna: yea but only cuz u changed sv 
2017-12-16 11:29 IceKalt: no*
2017-12-16 11:30 Trynna: ok 
2017-12-16 11:30 Trynna: lets talk about real shit now 
2017-12-16 11:30 IceKalt: yea
2017-12-16 11:30 Trynna: imagine that 
2017-12-16 11:31 Trynna: 04:17:959 - u just put a reverse like u did at 04:18:777 (2,3,4) - 
2017-12-16 11:31 Trynna: which would subjectively be the right thing 
2017-12-16 11:31 Trynna: cuz the section starts there and whatever
2017-12-16 11:31 Trynna: you would need to cover 04:18:504 - 
2017-12-16 11:31 Trynna: so undermapping it to do all that shit right after is just inconsistent and weirdo 
2017-12-16 11:32 IceKalt: is it inconsisten tho?
2017-12-16 11:32 IceKalt: cause i have it 04:16:322 (1) - too
2017-12-16 11:33 Trynna: i mean 
2017-12-16 11:33 Trynna: the actual rhythm is something like that https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9777248
2017-12-16 11:33 Trynna: i don't see how 04:16:322 (1) - being a reverse would be a nice idea overall 
2017-12-16 11:34 IceKalt: o yea kinda
2017-12-16 11:34 Trynna: and also u followed the drums on 04:15:777 (2,3) - 
2017-12-16 11:34 IceKalt: i sounds better
2017-12-16 11:35 Trynna: and ignoring 04:17:413 - 04:17:686 - is lol? 
2017-12-16 11:35 IceKalt: kinda yea
2017-12-16 11:35 IceKalt: i just noticed that too
2017-12-16 11:35 Trynna: also keepin 04:09:777 (1,2) - is really a trap 
2017-12-16 11:35 IceKalt: that my friends
2017-12-16 11:35 IceKalt: is inconsistend
2017-12-16 11:35 Trynna: cuz spacing and shit 
2017-12-16 11:35 IceKalt: yea
2017-12-16 11:35 Trynna: thats my main concern about the diff
2017-12-16 11:35 Trynna: rest is mainly ok 
2017-12-16 11:36 Trynna: call me back when i can bubble

Sakurauchi Riko

1,632 posts

Joined January 2015

Sakurauchi Riko 2017-12-16T14:37:36+00:00

-Mo- wrote:
General
- 02:20:140 - Why no kiai time? This seems to be a chorus thing like your other kiai times.

Riko & Phyl's
- 00:04:322 (5) - 00:10:868 (5) - I'd recommend some NCs around here somewhere since the current combos stretch over way too many measures.
- 00:28:050 - This beat seems significant enough to be mapped to me. I'd recommend a rhythm like you did at 00:31:322 (2,3).
- 00:43:322 - Similar thing, makes more sense to continue mapping here since your current rhythm is following the vocals anyway. i think here its nice to have a bigger gap because the following downbeat should really stand out because its very strong and special
- 02:03:777 (1, 2) - Might be better placing this pattern on the right side of the screen, since you already had it on the left at 00:40:322 (1,2).
- 03:41:959 (1) - I would avoid overlapping the tail with the body to make a more simple shape for beginners, since it could potentially confuse them.

else changed, thanks!

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-Mo-

Nomination Assessment Team

957 posts

Joined December 2012

-Mo- 2017-12-19T15:16:51+00:00

Recheck

Timing
== 03:40:819 - BPM change thing here sounds late to me, and then the switch back to 220 BPM also sounds slightly late.
== 00:57:231 - BPM change should be applied here too since the circles in the higher diff sound pretty late to me.
Looking at the CTB set that line should be around 211 BPM, but I can't seem to get that perfect, but either way the timing still needs adjustment. (Also double BPM lol, but Mir is gonna shoot me if I talk about this.)

Riko Phyl
- 01:59:959 (3) - Can't remember if this was like this last time, but I think 1/2 slider would work better here to fit the vocal notes.
- 02:26:686 (1,3) - This overlap may as well be avoided, kinda sticks out right now.

Kanan Ice
- 01:47:413 (1) - Has a slider whistle over it which seems unintentional.
- 03:58:049 (7,2) - Not super important, but if you can find a way to either avoid the overlap or stack it on the tail then this would look a lot neater.

As for diff names, given the star rating and tempo, I'm more inclined to say leave it as is. You can get more opinions on this if you want. Ideally the Advanced could've had more 1/2 rhythms to introduce, since Hard uses a lot of them now that I think about it.

Lore Ice
- 01:24:777 - Active clickable beat thing would've been better here since vocal is here, and current rhythm is putting emphasis on 01:24:913 instead.
- 01:26:550 (3,4) - Swapping rhythm would be better so that sliders follow the held notes etc etc.
- 02:28:322 (1,2,3,4) - This looks too cluttered and messy to me.
In fact, I think most of the overlaps in this 'chorus' are kind of odd choices. I understand you're interpreting this chorus to not be as intense as the other two, however I don't think it's so different that you should map with a structure that uses a lot of tail overlaps. It kinda sticks out too much in a messy kind of way when in my opinion the sections aren't too different.
- 02:49:595 (1,1) - Might as well avoid the tail overlapping the first slider there.

Rio Ice
- 00:23:959 (1) - Head seems to be missing whistle.
- 00:44:686 (4) - I'd either keep the shape simple, or don't obscure so much of the body, doing both could potentially throw some players off.
- 02:46:322 (1) - Almost burai depending on who you ask. I'd probably avoid making the loop thing so extreme, it looks weird to me anyway.
- 03:17:685 (2) - Seems to be missing whistle.

Second Judgment
- 01:31:050 (1) - Wondering if it's worth spacing this out to add more emphasis onto it.
- 03:50:959 - Seems to be missing whistle.

Seems mostly okay to me.

Double check your colourhaxing is as intended for all diffs too.

I'll probably hold off trying to nominate this for now on the grounds that even during a recheck I'm still finding a few problems and things that I don't really agree with in the lower diffs.

nextplay

976 posts

Joined December 2015

nextplay 2017-12-19T15:28:24+00:00

-Mo- wrote:
Recheck

Timing
== 03:40:819 - BPM change thing here sounds late to me, and then the switch back to 220 BPM also sounds slightly late.
== 00:57:231 - BPM change should be applied here too since the circles in the higher diff sound pretty late to me.
Looking at the CTB set that line should be around 211 BPM, but I can't seem to get that perfect, but either way the timing still needs adjustment. (Also double BPM lol, but Mir is gonna shoot me if I talk about this.)

Kanan Ice
- 01:47:413 (1) - Has a slider whistle over it which seems unintentional.
- 03:58:049 (7,2) - Not super important, but if you can find a way to either avoid the overlap or stack it on the tail then this would look a lot neater. fixed

As for diff names, given the star rating and tempo, I'm more inclined to say leave it as is. You can get more opinions on this if you want. Ideally the Advanced could've had more 1/2 rhythms to introduce, since Hard uses a lot of them now that I think about it.

I'll probably hold off trying to nominate this for now on the grounds that even during a recheck I'm still finding a few problems and things that I don't really agree with in the lower diffs.

did some other changes too and added some 1/2 slider to fit the spread better

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Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-19T19:40:55+00:00

-Mo- wrote:
Recheck

Timing
== 03:40:819 - BPM change thing here sounds late to me, and then the switch back to 220 BPM also sounds slightly late.
== 00:57:231 - BPM change should be applied here too since the circles in the higher diff sound pretty late to me.
Looking at the CTB set that line should be around 211 BPM, but I can't seem to get that perfect, but either way the timing still needs adjustment. (Also double BPM lol, but Mir is gonna shoot me if I talk about this.) idk i get split opinons about that - ill try to ask more around

Kanan Ice
- 01:47:413 (1) - Has a slider whistle over it which seems unintentional. yea

As for diff names, given the star rating and tempo, I'm more inclined to say leave it as is. You can get more opinions on this if you want. Ideally the Advanced could've had more 1/2 rhythms to introduce, since Hard uses a lot of them now that I think about it. kanan introducing them pretty good now after the change

Lore Ice

- 02:28:322 (1,2,3,4) - This looks too cluttered and messy to me.
In fact, I think most of the overlaps in this 'chorus' are kind of odd choices. I understand you're interpreting this chorus to not be as intense as the other two, however I don't think it's so different that you should map with a structure that uses a lot of tail overlaps. It kinda sticks out too much in a messy kind of way when in my opinion the sections aren't too different.
since of many concers (and i dont wanna end like mun) i kinda remapped the whole 2nd chorus - i dont have overlaps in theese rythms anymore ( 02:20:959 (3,4,5) - as example) but still have somes at 02:39:777 (1,2,3) - but they dont look messy and i kinda still want to have some here and there

- 02:49:595 (1,1) - Might as well avoid the tail overlapping the first slider there. yea

Rio Ice
- 00:23:959 (1) - Head seems to be missing whistle. ahh so many hitsounds
- 00:44:686 (4) - I'd either keep the shape simple, or don't obscure so much of the body, doing both could potentially throw some players off. i think its ok (btw when a part in the song should throw some players off then this part )
- 02:46:322 (1) - Almost burai depending on who you ask. I'd probably avoid making the loop thing so extreme, it looks weird to me anyway. erased the burai
- 03:17:685 (2) - Seems to be missing whistle. oups ~

Second Judgment
- 01:31:050 (1) - Wondering if it's worth spacing this out to add more emphasis onto it. idk tho - i like the pattern too much
- 03:50:959 - ahhh - too many hitsounds Seems to be missing whistle.

Seems mostly okay to me.

Double check your colourhaxing is as intended for all diffs too. its fine as it is - anything has a reason (for me) - would be useless to explain everything here since i could write a book about it (it is intenstional that it isnt consistend on every diff^^)

I'll probably hold off trying to nominate this for now on the grounds that even during a recheck I'm still finding a few problems and things that I don't really agree with in the lower diffs.

Thanks alot that you recheck - i try to improve the lower diffs as i can. thanks alot that you looked at the set!

Cloudchaser

2,327 posts

Joined May 2012

Cloudchaser 2017-12-21T16:29:42+00:00

Hello guys! A mod from my really Casual Modding Queue. Modding 3 difficults since it was a condition from my rules

General

All seems in order!

Riko&Phyl's Normal

00:31:322 (2,3,4) - There's a inconsistency with the DS here. Gladly, you only have to adjust the note to the actual DS and done
Since you're following vocals in the beginning 01:50:686 (1,2,3) -, consider changing this pattern of 1 slider and 1 circle 01:55:595 (3) -. How? adjust the length to 01:56:140 - and put a note in the next white tick 01:56:413 -. In my opinion, this would emphasize way much better the rhythm, incluiding the hitsounding.
02:00:231 - This part feels awkward when you play it because you expect clicking something, I've told you before that seems you're using sliders to follow vocals. So, how would be it much better? I have two ideas. First of all, 01:59:959 - you can make a 1/2 slider here, or just make a simple circle here 02:00:231 - (First option is much better anyway, consider using that one at least) .
02:46:322 (1,1,1,1) - I have consulted to some friends of mine about this point. We consider that this is very difficult considering that is the lower diff in the mapset. We agreed that adding sliderart would be much better (like in the Advanced), also it will be more instuitive to the newbie players.
03:25:595 (1) - This object is off from my screen, it's just a minor problem. Just move it above a little bit!
So is this pattern too 03:26:140 (2,3,4) -
03:43:595 (3) - I don't like to be Nazi at this point because I understand that sliders are more like an art expression and stuff but, Can you make it symmetrical in this case? the proportion is inconsistent, and I'm sure it would look prettier. If you have problems fixing it, you can adjust it removing the grid snap (that's the secret of many slider art)

My opinion: I am very conformable with the result of this Normal in general. I noticed only general aspect in terms of mapping, not a big deal but not something to ignore at all. Well, I have my doubts. I felt like this a bit picky for newbies, there's a lot of 1/2 considering it's the lower difficult. Nothing else to say, I really liked it.

Kanan & Ice's Advanced

When I testplayed this difficult, I did notice of a flow mistake here 00:10:868 (1,2) - I didn't like how it plays because I expected to go in the direction of the slider's tail. I understand that it's a Advanced but if you can fix it to make it more instuitive, I would do something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817090
00:34:595 - There's a missing whistle in the head of the slider, since you did in 00:35:413 - I'd expect to hear a whistle for vocals there.
00:38:686 (3,4,1) - I don't like go "nazi" in this part of the beatmap but when people make polarized sliders like in this case, I would want to see two things, blankets or symmetry. You have everything to make a perfect circle with two sliders. See how it looks symmetrical and with (1) https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817127
00:59:413 (2,3) - This look pretty boring vs 01:10:868 (4,5) - I would like to see both like in (4,5) Very good!
01:29:959 (3,4) - If you're going to use "straight" patterns, then you should align 01:30:231 (4) - with (3). Or even better, you can do something like 03:43:049 (2,3,4) -. It emphasizes really nice the downbeat.
01:46:868 (2) - Stack this note with 01:46:050 (2) - . This point is really optional but I think it looks prettier when you play it.
02:07:459 (2) - Hmmm, I don't know If this really intentional but I find it ugly tbh. I'd make something simplier like a https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817205 (and it's the same idea!)
03:54:231 (6,7,8) - This rhythm is poor. It's because the strong vocal start 03:53:959 - and you started later. My suggestion is https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817246 . Now compare this vs your actual pattern, I'm sure you'll agree with me.
04:32:959 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't think I have to tell you that you must remove this for overmapping, I guess.

My opinion: Actually, this is my favorite difficult, it's picky but at the same time very instuitive. I didn't have much problems modding it.

Lore&Ice's Hard

00:35:413 (1,2,3) - The reason why I pointed this is because of the DS. It's nothing related to the rhythm, it's good. But my reason is that after (1)
comes (2) with a distance of 1/2 notes and even more, it's hardly visible to the players. My suggestion is to adjust (2) and (3) with DS 1,4 (your default one)
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817356
02:41:413 (4) - Minor stuff but this is off from my screen, if you can move it above a little bit. So is this note 02:44:686 (4) -
03:31:186 (3,4) - Minor stuff: Polish this blanket. Disable Grid Snap if needed.

My opinion: Personally, the emphasis of the sliders with the drum is fantastic in general, I mean, it adjust to the gameplay and feels nice when you play it. Congrats

Considering the lowest difficult is a bit picky, you could make a Easy difficult. I understand it takes time but I understand the point of Mo.
That's all. If you have some question please make me know. Sometimes I don't explain well because of my english but it's part of learning.
Gl

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-21T18:07:42+00:00

Cloudchaser wrote:
Hello guys! A mod from my really Casual Modding Queue. Modding 3 difficults since it was a condition from my rules

General
All seems in order!

Kanan & Ice's Advanced
When I testplayed this difficult, I did notice of a flow mistake here 00:10:868 (1,2) - I didn't like how it plays because I expected to go in the direction of the slider's tail. I understand that it's a Advanced but if you can fix it to make it more instuitive, I would do something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817090 agreed ~
00:34:595 - There's a missing whistle in the head of the slider, since you did in 00:35:413 - I'd expect to hear a whistle for vocals there. oups
00:38:686 (3,4,1) - I don't like go "nazi" in this part of the beatmap but when people make polarized sliders like in this case, I would want to see two things, blankets or symmetry. You have everything to make a perfect circle with two sliders. See how it looks symmetrical and with (1) https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817127 looks k_hand: now
00:59:413 (2,3) - This look pretty boring vs 01:10:868 (4,5) - I would like to see both like in (4,5) Very good! did ~
01:46:868 (2) - Stack this note with 01:46:050 (2) - . This point is really optional but I think it looks prettier when you play it. 01:45:777 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - is more like a spread thing since i do that in upper diffs too (and prolly taste too)
02:07:459 (2) - Hmmm, I don't know If this really intentional but I find it ugly tbh. I'd make something simplier like a https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817205 (and it's the same idea!) i guess i mad eit better now
04:32:959 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't think I have to tell you that you must remove this for overmapping, I guess. ok - why the fuck is that actually there -.-

My opinion: Actually, this is my favorite difficult, it's picky but at the same time very instuitive. I didn't have much problems modding it.
Lore&Ice's Hard
00:35:413 (1,2,3) - The reason why I pointed this is because of the DS. It's nothing related to the rhythm, it's good. But my reason is that after (1)
comes (2) with a distance of 1/2 notes and even more, it's hardly visible to the players. My suggestion is to adjust (2) and (3) with DS 1,4 (your default one)
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817356 i think it is ok as it is now ^^
02:41:413 (4) - Minor stuff but this is off from my screen, if you can move it above a little bit did. So is this note 02:44:686 (4) - wait - is it
03:31:186 (3,4) - Minor stuff: Polish this blanket. Disable Grid Snap if needed. nazi

My opinion: Personally, the emphasis of the sliders with the drum is fantastic in general, I mean, it adjust to the gameplay and feels nice when you play it. Congrats

Considering the lowest difficult is a bit picky, you could make a Easy difficult. I understand it takes time but I understand the point of Mo. i dont know if it would be fitting to the song tho - an additional easy would be like a diff consisting out of very easy to read slider art and wouldnt actually add something to the spread what the set need ~ mo's main concern is the lack of quality in the lower diffs what i try to make better ~ ^^
That's all. If you have some question please make me know. Sometimes I don't explain well because of my english but it's part of learning.
Gl

Thanks alot for the critzism and nice words ~ !

Cloudchaser

2,327 posts

Joined May 2012

Cloudchaser 2017-12-21T19:28:23+00:00

The offnotes are at least in my screen that is really really huge xD

Adding an easy was my real opinion though with a Normal is ok as long as it plays as a normal

Maffe

110 posts

Joined August 2014

Maffe 2017-12-24T23:55:50+00:00

top diff

00:33:360 (5,6) - These stand out kinda too much. It fits the pressure nicely but its like no need to space them out this much cuz theres nothing really on those ticks. I suggest something like:

(extra: 01:49:587 (2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - These spacings seem really volatile as in the song is pretty calm overall and you are replicating stuff equal in intensity as much more intense parts of the song.)

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-25T00:26:22+00:00

Applied to both things maffe said

Sakurauchi Riko

1,632 posts

Joined January 2015

Sakurauchi Riko 2017-12-25T00:59:26+00:00

Cloudchaser wrote:
Hello guys! A mod from my really Casual Modding Queue. Modding 3 difficults since it was a condition from my rules

General
All seems in order!
Riko&Phyl's Normal
00:31:322 (2,3,4) - There's a inconsistency with the DS here. Gladly, you only have to adjust the note to the actual DS and done
Since you're following vocals in the beginning 01:50:686 (1,2,3) -, consider changing this pattern of 1 slider and 1 circle 01:55:595 (3) -. How? adjust the length to 01:56:140 - and put a note in the next white tick 01:56:413 -. In my opinion, this would emphasize way much better the rhythm, incluiding the hitsounding. but the song gets really calm here and i want to indicate that with a lower rhythm density
02:00:231 - This part feels awkward when you play it because you expect clicking something, I've told you before that seems you're using sliders to follow vocals. So, how would be it much better? I have two ideas. First of all, 01:59:959 - you can make a 1/2 slider here, or just make a simple circle here 02:00:231 - (First option is much better anyway, consider using that one at least) .
02:46:322 (1,1,1,1) - I have consulted to some friends of mine about this point. We consider that this is very difficult considering that is the lower diff in the mapset. We agreed that adding sliderart would be much better (like in the Advanced), also it will be more instuitive to the newbie players. i really like the concept of the spinners and I rarely see opportunities to take advantage of that. in that case i think the spinners are long enough to score on and are a nice experience for new players (so they keep the map in mind and stuf flike that). whether a bn decides if its okay or not, i will change it then
03:25:595 (1) - This object is off from my screen, it's just a minor problem. Just move it above a little bit!
So is this pattern too 03:26:140 (2,3,4) - both are offscreen in the editor but not when you play the map, even on 4:3 resolution
03:43:595 (3) - I don't like to be Nazi at this point because I understand that sliders are more like an art expression and stuff but, Can you make it symmetrical in this case? the proportion is inconsistent, and I'm sure it would look prettier. If you have problems fixing it, you can adjust it removing the grid snap (that's the secret of many slider art)

My opinion: I am very conformable with the result of this Normal in general. I noticed only general aspect in terms of mapping, not a big deal but not something to ignore at all. Well, I have my doubts. I felt like this a bit picky for newbies, there's a lot of 1/2 considering it's the lower difficult. Nothing else to say, I really liked it. but i dont use any 1/2 rhythms ><. i agree sliderarts are kind of tricky for newbies at some point but a nice experience for them overall :3

-Mo- wrote:
Riko Phyl
- 01:59:959 (3) - Can't remember if this was like this last time, but I think 1/2 slider would work better here to fit the vocal notes. yes
- 02:26:686 (1,3) - This overlap may as well be avoided, kinda sticks out right now. stacked instead

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Cloudchaser

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Cloudchaser 2017-12-25T17:13:46+00:00

Sakurauchi Riko wrote:
Cloudchaser wrote:
My opinion: I am very conformable with the result of this Normal in general. I noticed only general aspect in terms of mapping, not a big deal but not something to ignore at all. Well, I have my doubts. I felt like this a bit picky for newbies, there's a lot of 1/2 considering it's the lower difficult. Nothing else to say, I really liked it. but i dont use any 1/2 rhythms ><. i agree sliderarts are kind of tricky for newbies at some point but a nice experience for them overall :3[/list]

In general, this was a nice difficult. In terms of mapping, it's a bit picky because of the BPM but you got nice results. After all, my mod was more my point of view about the diff and not like "must change" stuff.
GL

defiance

503 posts

Joined July 2015

defiance 2017-12-25T19:47:40+00:00

hi m4m

[Normal]
00:05:951 (3) - you could probably make this a reverse to try and match the vocals
00:41:405 (2,1,2) - i would move these more to the right because the movement is kind of awkward for a beginner (basically make it flow out of 1)
01:01:587 (1) - this is not fitting at all, especially for the kiai. rhythm here should be more dense. I would suggest a 2/1 reverse at the start and then a 1/1 slider on 01:01:587 (1) -
01:13:042 (3) - again, i would use a reverse here to match the vocals
02:32:132 (4) - would ctrl + j this, movement here isn't very nice for beginners due to the direction of this slider

i kinda wish the kiai's were a bit more dense, but i think you didn't do that for sr

[Advanced]
00:26:951 (3) - i'd place this a little lower so that the movement to 1 doesn't feel so awkward
01:01:587 (1) - making this slider 3/2 would match
01:06:905 (4,5) - lining these up would be much better, the slight right movement is a bit weird
01:49:860 (3) - really don't understand why you just put slider's over vocal syllables, just make it a reverse
01:52:314 (3) - i really don't understand what you are following here. seems like you are prioritizing making pretty sliders but i think the rhythm should be a 2/1 slider then a circle on 01:52:314 (3) -
02:16:860 (1) - i feel like this slider would be confusing for advanced players, I think you can simplify it because where it goes in and out of itself can be confusing
02:25:042 (4) - slider shape is kinda sharp movement unexpectedly, i would suggest making it smoother
03:45:223 (1) - sounds better if this was 3/2 too
03:57:769 (5) - ds error
03:58:860 (2) - oof you skipped the downbeat here, I would really suggest mapping it

[Hard]
ar 7.5 would be better imo
00:30:224 (5,6,1) - random emphasis in the calmer part doesn't really work and can really throw a player off, i would just stack these
00:43:587 (1,2,3,4) - backwards movement isn't very easy for a hard player and considering that you didn't do it before the same section before, I would try and do something easier :/
02:22:860 (3,4,5) - a bit too much movement here, i would make 3 flow directly into 4
03:41:951 (1,2) - these are not parallel

[Insane]
00:04:042 (5,6) - could be confused for 1/4, i would probably make these jumps. same applies in other places
00:26:405 (1,2) - again, can be confused for 1/4. I would suggest blanketing 2 on 1
03:40:811 (1,1,1,1) - i don't get why you decided to map the vocals here but not on any other parts before the chorus
03:48:905 (2,3) - the emphasis here is really unnecessary because there's nothing in the music that can support it, i would move it closer

this insane is executed very well. nice

[Top diff]
00:12:223 (5,6,1) - kind of backwards emphasis, 5-6 gets more distance than 6-1
00:40:723 (1,1) - this gap looks really difficult to hit, you can emphasize it, but I think it's too much as it is rn
01:14:405 (6,7,1) - this is absolutely brutal due to the linear nature of 7,1. it's fairly similar to the other emphasis in the chorus, I would try to nerf this because it's unnecessarily difficult
02:24:223 (5,6,7) - this arrangement of 3 that you've been doing is good, though this one doesn't really follow any logic and just looks messy considering your previous arrangements

that's all I really have to say. I would focus the most on the advanced.

good luck!

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-26T00:27:43+00:00

osuskrub wrote:
hi m4m

[Advanced]
00:26:951 (3) - i'd place this a little lower so that the movement to 1 doesn't feel so awkward yea
01:01:587 (1) - making this slider 3/2 would match i change this but i dont know if i liked that better b4 or not
01:06:905 (4,5) - lining these up would be much better, the slight right movement is a bit weird yo sir
01:49:860 (3) - really don't understand why you just put slider's over vocal syllables, just make it a reverse imo slider would be just fine since the vocal on 01:50:132 - isnt soo strong compared to 01:47:405 (1,2) - putting a slider here is more fitting for than a reverse idk (subjetive i guess)
01:52:314 (3) - i really don't understand what you are following here. seems like you are prioritizing making pretty sliders but i think the rhythm should be a 2/1 slider then a circle on 01:52:314 (3) - i just wanna have a lower note density here since the part is very calming - mapping the vocals on 01:52:723 - would be too dense for this diff imo - since i made it consistently (01:55:587 (3) - ) i guess you can do this
02:16:860 (1) - i feel like this slider would be confusing for advanced players, I think you can simplify it because where it goes in and out of itself can be confusing i gathered feedback for this slider and most of them were like "its ok" - maybe i gather a bit more
02:25:042 (4) - slider shape is kinda sharp movement unexpectedly, i would suggest making it smoother yea i agree that it comes kinda out of nowhere - change it ~
03:45:223 (1) - sounds better if this was 3/2 too ill change this for now
03:57:769 (5) - ds error uhhm - oups
03:58:860 (2) - oof you skipped the downbeat here, I would really suggest mapping it k

[Hard]
ar 7.5 would be better imo oups - ar 8 is too hard yea, didnt even saw it
00:30:224 (5,6,1) - random emphasis in the calmer part doesn't really work and can really throw a player off, i would just stack these
00:43:587 (1,2,3,4) - backwards movement isn't very easy for a hard player and considering that you didn't do it before the same section before, I would try and do something easier :/ found a solution
02:22:860 (3,4,5) - a bit too much movement here, i would make 3 flow directly into 4 yea i like that idea
03:41:951 (1,2) - these are not parallel made them ^^

[Insane]
00:04:042 (5,6) - could be confused for 1/4, i would probably make these jumps. same applies in other places i like it very much like this since then the downbeat gets emphazised alot (and since that it is consistent it shouldnt be too bad ^^
00:26:405 (1,2) - again, can be confused for 1/4. I would suggest blanketing 2 on 1 oups - for some reasong i thought this was 1/4

this insane is executed very well. nice thanks ^^

[Top diff]
00:12:223 (5,6,1) - kind of backwards emphasis, 5-6 gets more distance than 6-1 i lowered it a bit but since 00:12:360 (6,1) - has a flow break, (1) has automaticly a higher emphasis ^^
00:40:723 (1,1) - this gap looks really difficult to hit, you can emphasize it, but I think it's too much as it is rn ohh i might disagree there - first even thought this was too little emphasis (imo its fine like this)
01:14:405 (6,7,1) - this is absolutely brutal due to the linear nature of 7,1. it's fairly similar to the other emphasis in the chorus, I would try to nerf this because it's unnecessarily difficult since the difficulty was mostly in the angle i reduced it so it easier to hit ~
02:24:223 (5,6,7) - this arrangement of 3 that you've been doing is good, though this one doesn't really follow any logic and just looks messy considering your previous arrangements yea i got tired of it too (changed 02:22:587 (5,6,7) - to something nice/more fitting too ^^)

that's all I really have to say. I would focus the most on the advanced.

good luck!

Thanks alot man

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