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Shikata Akiko - Katayoku no Tori

posted 2017-06-04T22:53:03+00:00

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Sakurauchi Riko

Joined January 2015

Sakurauchi Riko 2017-10-25T15:19:37+00:00

RevengeZ wrote:
DO NOT GIVE KUDOSU TO THIS POST
(because i'm not the one modding it)

Lince Cosmico wrote:
[- - General - -]
- You have some unsnap and sv lines issues that i'lll point on each diff
- Disable Widescreen Support, as i can see you're not using any Storyboard and the background fits both screens (wide and 800x600) so there's no point on having it enabled.
- Add "Umineko no Naku Koro ni" (it's the romanization of the Source)

[- - Rikoukz' Normal - -]
00:04:322 (1) - If you think, this represents sounds from the same part that the previous notes, so i'd recommend you to remove NC here and add it on 00:05:959 (3) - so the NC actually represents the song. If you keep your current NC and add one more to this one, then 00:04:322 (1,2) - this combo would be too short
00:10:868 (1) - // 00:12:504 (3) - Here too, You should do the same NC pattern than above (for the same reasons)
00:10:868 (1) - Also, on this part, Why did you use a repeat slider? This sounds exactly like 00:04:322 (1) - . It could be fine if there was any rhythm progression but there isn't (because it's the only two times that the sound appears), so I think that it would be better to use a long slider OR a repeat slider on the previous one, to keep consistency
00:27:231 (1) - Is this NC really needed? It's part of the same rhythm section 00:26:413 (1,1,2,3,4,5) -
00:32:959 (5) - Why don't you extend this to 00:33:504 - ? It would fit the vocals a lot better than now. Obviouslly the spacing of the next object will have to be changed but it's not a big deal
00:41:686 - I'd add a circle here (with NC included) to add emphasis to 00:41:959 (3) - , the current rhythm is pretty weird and a Normal difficulty player wouldn't expect it imo. As i said the NC thing i'll explain it a bit, because you could just say "But you said before that a 2 combo lenght would be short", yes, but in this case you're following something that only covers a small piece of rhythtm that is pretty singular and special, so it won't be bad to add NC to emphasize it correctly
00:43:322 - You should add a circle here, it feels empty in my opinion. Also, you did it afterwards on 00:46:595 (5) - , so to keep consistency i'd recommend you to add it i'd like to have 2/1 beat gap to emphasize the strong downbeat with special sounds, i did circle afterwards because there isnt the strong downbeat anymore
00:44:959 - Here it happens again, I highly recommend you to add a circle here and put NC on it using the same reasons from above
00:53:413 (1) - This is just a visual suggestion, but can you move the last anchor of this slider a bit up? or at least fix the circle form (unless it's done like that on purpose) because it feels a bit ugly, but as i said, this is just a suggestion i really like the visuals of this slider
00:57:231 - Remove this unnecesary green line
01:10:322 (4) - This really does feel weird while playing, I think that you should just use a Circle+Slider pattern like this (timeline) and this (playfield sample)
01:17:686 - It wouldn't play bad if you add a circle here, it would emphasize the next slider in a cool way imo. Also, you added it on future parts (02:39:504 (4) - and 04:01:322 (4) - ) so it would be inconsistent if you don't add it
01:24:231 - It's not an issue, but i'm not sure if you're using it for 01:24:504 (1) - or not, If that's the case, could you move it to 01:24:504 - to avoid confusing with future modders?
01:24:504 (1,2,3) - For this pattern, I feel like it's not really emphasizing the map correctly, as i can hear, following vocals would be the right choice. I'll suggest this pattern for that part, it looks kinda messy but it fits the vocals perfectly and it isn't hard to play. Also, it would be placed just before a break so it would be well placed too.
02:05:140 - Same thing from before (you already know what i'm talking about so i don't have to repeat all)
02:08:413 - Here too
02:32:140 (4) - This has the same rhythm than 01:10:322 - so you might change this here too with the pattern that i suggested before (if you applied it)
03:01:050 (2) - The spacing here feels kinda too high, even if there's that much of time difference it feels really big. DS should be all consistent in lowest diff, so i have to make such big distance ..
03:41:942 (1) - This note is unsnapped, you might snap it again
03:53:959 (4) - You should use the same rhythm that i said before (01:10:322 - // 02:32:140 (4) -)
04:01:595 (1,2,3) - Why did you switch shapes on this part? In the whole map you used a Curvy Shape first and then two Straight Shapes, but here you did it in reverse, you used a Straight Shape and then two Curvy Shapes. I suggest you to do it as you did before to keep consistency
04:04:186 - Remove this unnecessary green line
04:21:231 - You should make SV a bit lower here, since the part is too much calm and it's also after a "hard" part. I suggest you to put 0,75x dont think sv change in lowest diff is recommended .. i wanna avoid it
Really good diff, pretty neat, there are some ugly shapes but meh, nothing really bad on this diff.

-Rmdy wrote:
Hi

Rikoukz' Normal
00:10:868 (1) - there you changing rhythm to something more intense, but then we 00:12:504 (3) - this with pretty strong vocal on every white tick, which you didn't emphasized. You can either lover intensity by making 00:10:868 (1) - this slider like you did others (3/1 slider), or pick up intensity by dividing 00:12:504 (3) - this slider to 2 1/1 sliders
00:10:868 (1,2) - this may be confusing for beginners, as when reverse hits, 2 is already appearing, and it's placed like it will go off right after reverse. You should also consider that slider mechanic is pretty new to beginners, especially reverses. Consider moving 00:12:231 (2) - somewhere around 24:216, and if you do, you might aswell rotate 00:10:868 (1) - by 180 and ctrl+g for better flow
I didn't quite picked up what you were following in the intro. I mean, all these 00:02:140 - gaps have a vocal and a drum on it, so I don't see why you making a pause here, it's rather confusing for beginners (actually not only for beginners). I encourage you to fill these gaps with either 1/1 sliders, or 2 circles, both should work fine on ~~easy~~ normal the non-mapped white ticks are fairly weak compared to the other ones i mapped, it is the lowest difficulty so i dont want a train of 1/1 gaps expeically in the intro, too
00:27:777 (2,3) - ctrl+g would make much more sense, since 00:28:050 - this vocal is pretty strong
Again, I can understand 00:29:959 - this gap, there is no vocal. But 00:31:595 - this have vocal, and probably should be emphasized. This problem may be seen throght all the diff, as far as I noticed. On low difficulties try paying more attention to something one in the music (e.g vocals or drums), and emphasize it as best as you can.
00:32:959 (5) - just a circle here will emphasize vocals more but vocal is "holding" so slider fits better imo
02:46:322 (1,1,1,1) - spinners are hard for beginners too. These are pretty short, and have a very small gap between them, so maybe it's better to make one big spinnereither way you spin the same amount, beginner wont get 100's on the spinners auto gets 6k (now more than 6k since i erxtended them to red tick) so it will be enough time to spin the given amount
02:54:504 - why exactly this break starts on the bookmark and not on big white tick?
I noticed you have a lot of different fancy sliders (which isn't bad by itself), but in easy you should be more careful with these thing. As I said earlier, sliders are new for beginners, and by making them fancy you make it even harder for them. (by fancy sliders I mean 02:11:959 (3) - 03:41:959 (1) - 03:55:049 (1) - ) tried to be as straightforward as possible, so no selfoverlaps (only very slight) and such - i think it is ok but I understand your concern, ill see if it turns out to be a problem

thank you both of you for mods!

unmentioned fixed obviosuly!!

normal

osu file format v14

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Artist:Shikata Akiko
ArtistUnicode:志方あきこ
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Source:うみねこのなく頃に
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tatemae

836 posts

Joined November 2014

tatemae 2017-10-26T16:00:00+00:00

@rmdy
fixed nc
fixed 1 triple, others follow music, its fine
01:26:550 (3,4) - and fixed this
thanks for mod

osu file format v14

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Title:Katayoku no Tori
TitleUnicode:片翼の鳥
Artist:Shikata Akiko
ArtistUnicode:志方あきこ
Creator:IceKalt
Version:Iceley's Hard
Source:うみねこのなく頃に
Tags:japanese blue 古戸 ヱリカ furudo erika umineko no naku koro ni sakurauchi riko imoutosan fushimi_rio loreley
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Fushimi Rio

Fushimi Rio 2017-10-27T16:47:12+00:00

-Rmdy wrote:
Collab Insane

Cool contept
01:21:163 (4) - this is pretty hidden, try moving 01:20:959 (3) - a bit to the right, should be better actually intended to, will consider if more ppl complain about it
03:02:686 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't think that you should emphasize them like that. I mean, these sounds that you trying to emphasize here are in the whole part as background, and these aren't any stronger than 03:04:322 (1,2) - these for example, hence they should be emphasized like this. Same goes for whole part emphasizing vocal isn't a good idea, considering the whole map's structure it should be a rather simple part here

Vivyanne

1,215 posts

Joined December 2013

Vivyanne 2017-10-29T14:27:28+00:00

log on top diff

14:56 IceKalt: o/
14:56 HighTec: \o
14:56 IceKalt: wanna do a irc4m?
14:57 HighTec: i dont have anything that needs to be modded rn lol
14:57 IceKalt: than maybe ticket?
14:57 IceKalt: cause i dont wanna ask someone for irc
14:57 IceKalt: for like nothing
14:58 IceKalt: but its fine when not ~
14:58 HighTec: yaknow what
14:58 HighTec: depends on song
14:58 IceKalt: its this (you prolly know that already)
14:59 *IceKalt is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1312305 Shikata Akiko - Katayoku no Tori]
14:59 HighTec: no i dont
14:59 HighTec: i dont read mentorshipt
15:01 *HighTec is playing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1312305 Shikata Akiko - Katayoku no Tori [Final Judgement]]
15:07 IceKalt: this miss

15:07 HighTec: man i really hated stuff like 01:02:686 (5,6) -
15:07 HighTec: i really loved the idea of going in the same circular motion with your cursor
15:07 HighTec: but seeing you break the idea here makes me sad
15:07 IceKalt: o
15:07 IceKalt: yea i should rework that
15:08 HighTec: like i think if you want to change movement direction
15:08 IceKalt: but im happy that you saw my idea behind the diff
15:08 HighTec: you should do it on places like 01:03:231 (1) -
15:08 HighTec: cause those have a lot of emphasis in the song so it'd only make sense to do something different with the movement there
15:08 IceKalt: yea
15:08 HighTec: 01:08:140 (1) - like this could break movement too to prevent repetivity
15:08 HighTec: same for 01:09:777 (1) -
15:09 HighTec: makes me have to sit more up straight in my chair and focus
15:09 IceKalt: lol
15:09 IceKalt: but you are right
15:10 HighTec: 01:14:413 (6,7) - also feels way too linear for the section, would try something [https://gabepower.s-ul.eu/f9X9YHOa like this] instead
15:10 HighTec: so centre (7) in the triangle of 01:15:095 (2,3,4) -
15:10 IceKalt: yea pretty nice
15:11 HighTec: 00:40:322 (1,1,1,2) - would be nice if these were a little faster and maybe only leave 1/4 gaps after them instead of just 00:40:731 (1) -
15:11 HighTec: to put more heavy empahsis on the difference between the sets of vocals
15:12 IceKalt: i guess i would make 00:40:731 (1) - faster then
15:12 HighTec: if you want the emphasis there
15:12 HighTec: yes do that
15:13 HighTec: it didnt feel as notable as you'd probably want during gameplay
15:13 HighTec: 01:47:413 (1,2,3) - also major emphasis difference in pattern compared to 01:46:595 (1,2,3) -
15:13 HighTec: in 01:46:595 (1,2,3) - the (3) also gets a lot of emphasis due to the spacing being double that from 01:46:595 (1,2) -
15:14 HighTec: but in 01:47:413 (1,2,3) - , 01:47:959 (3) - gets the same emphasis as 01:47:686 (2) - which feels strange to me
15:14 IceKalt: hm
15:15 IceKalt: i just did it so it wpuldnt feel repetative
15:15 IceKalt: i didnt thought about that it is such a difference
15:15 HighTec: w
15:16 IceKalt: ill change that now ^^
15:16 HighTec: !
15:16 HighTec: 01:52:322 (1,2,3) - maybe do something [https://gabepower.s-ul.eu/OX12GytZ like this] instead cuz it looks rly messy rn
15:17 IceKalt: yea
15:17 HighTec: 02:03:777 (1,1,1,2,3) - same point as mentioned before btw
15:17 IceKalt: already changed
15:18 HighTec: cool
15:18 HighTec: 02:20:140 (1) - wait wheres kiai for this section
15:19 IceKalt: i deleated it
15:19 HighTec: but why
15:19 HighTec: feels weird to have 1st kiai be a thing while this is the same
15:19 IceKalt: cause many said that the kiai length were to big
15:19 HighTec: then delete the first too
15:19 HighTec: to have consistency
15:19 IceKalt: hm
15:19 IceKalt: the first one is good compareable to the 3rd
15:19 IceKalt: but the second is alot weaker
15:20 HighTec: hm tru i guess
15:20 IceKalt: i mapped it like this too
15:20 HighTec: it just feels weird xd
15:20 IceKalt: like i mapped the second one more vocal than the others
15:21 IceKalt: 02:36:231 (7,1) - i guess theese are the flow breaks i should go with
15:21 HighTec: 02:28:322 (1,2,3) - these feel really linear, since the sliders dont force movement you get more a playing thing of [https://gabepower.s-ul.eu/VRY5e9Gv this] instead of people making the ciruclar movement
15:21 HighTec: yea thats the flow breaks u need
15:21 HighTec: 02:37:595 (5) - would be cool to rotate this slider up a bit so it catches the movement from 02:37:322 (4) - better
15:21 IceKalt: yea
15:22 IceKalt: i guess i could do that
15:22 HighTec: 03:17:413 (1,2) - this is not properly blanketed
15:23 IceKalt: oups
15:23 IceKalt:

15:23 HighTec: 03:32:686 (1,2,3,4) - idk if intentional but these are way harder to hit than 03:26:140 (1,2,3,4) -
15:23 HighTec: for movement reasons
15:24 IceKalt: ill change theese then when they are too hard
15:24 IceKalt: cause yours wasnt the only complain i got there
15:24 HighTec: compared to each other it's just a big difference
15:25 HighTec: i guess the rest repeats itself
15:25 IceKalt: nerfed it
15:25 IceKalt: yea
15:26 IceKalt: thanks you ^^
15:26 IceKalt: you can post it ^^
15:26 HighTec: np!

Deramok

213 posts

Joined February 2012

Deramok 2017-11-11T17:28:38+00:00

as requested

extra

00:12:231 (5,6) - unlike the other large three note jumps in the intro these aren't really supported by drum build ups but with more static snares. so i'd recommend using lower spacing or another slider. while doing that you could make 00:12:504 (1) - less sharp as it sits on a vocal that continues the phrase rather than starting a new one like in other occasions. so having it more fluid would work better i feel
00:13:186 (2,3,4,5,6) - these are also not really supported in their current shape. they can work as fillers if you really want that but i'd find it much more compelling if the drum beats were reflected properly. basically 2 and 4 are fillers that could be better blank or on slider ends while 6 has two drum hits contrary to 5 which only has one on it's start, which could also be differentiated better.
00:17:004 (4) - why would the filler note carry higher emphasis than the actual sounds. reversing the spacing with the previous three notes would make more sense, though would need a new pattern. otherwise just leaving it blank would work perfectly fine too, giving the following note more impact as a pick up rather than it just being a pacekeeper from the acceleration from the note before it with the only emphasis point being the angle. this one is better executed 00:20:140 (3) - though ofc they're not perfectly translatable with the different vocals on them, concept works similarly though
00:41:959 (1,2,3,4) - i think those would work better as two sets of three decellerating singles for a better contrast to the fast sliders
01:03:777 (3,4) - these notes are very strong with their direction changes and spacing. so much that they take away from the transition on 01:04:595 (7,1) - , making it feel subpar while it sounds like it should be more of a highlight than those low drum hits. a fix example fould be stacking 3 on the head of 1 and mocing 4 around a bit accordingly, gicing the thing a more conjunct feeling, keeping the direction to build momentum untill the transition.
01:20:686 (6,7,8) - took me a while to figure out what bothered me, so it probably fine, but i think 6 should be longer for a better contrast in the build up to the strong note in the beginning of the new meassure. i think it would be good to do so especially with 01:19:322 (6,7,3,4) - before it having a very similar structure and unnoticably lower spacing, making the final transition less impactful due to the similarity, so having it different in such a way might be profitable
01:25:322 (3) - isn't part of what 01:24:777 (1,2) - represent but already of 01:25:595 (4,5) - . so i'd use the same shape. since those three are irregularities within themselfes though you could pretty much leave it int he same spot with something like https://puu.sh/yjIxF/a8f7be72c1.png
01:29:140 (3) - would make a good transition to use the drums and make it two singles
01:44:140 (1,2) - for a reintroduction, as the music does, you could add the note between those. would also be consistent with 01:49:595 (2,3) -
for a similar purpose 01:50:413 (3) - could also be singles
01:54:777 (2) - suggesting to ctrl g for more coherent flow , which i feel would be appropriate due to the vocal transition, and emphasis on the strong vocals, simultanously curring spacing from 01:55:595 (1) - which is on a low vocal
02:09:231 (2) - blends in a bit too much imo. the vocal is stronger than the other ones, so it would be nice to have an emphasising difference. for example having a different direction on the next note by using ctrl g on 3 would have such an effect
02:22:459 (4) - that note eats way too much emphasis for no reason. it's just a filler and breaks the emphasis on the vocal before it as well as making the following one merely part of the same pattern rather than having it be a transition or start of something new. similarly with 02:24:095 (4) - just that it's even the highest spacing in the pattern (same for 02:35:550 (4) - )
02:31:459 (7) - works as a filler, but i'd still suggest to use a slider on 6 instead for the drum (same for 02:45:095 (2,3) - )

insane

00:17:413 (1) - since the entire part has a very strong vocal focus, it's kind of jarring if the longer sliders like this one just skip a vocal in the end while others like 00:20:686 (1,2) - capture it. not sure if there's a system behind that or why it is that way. same with 00:33:777 (1,1) - which suddenly use that click sound that is ignored everywhere else
00:52:322 (3,1) - these throw me off because they confuse focuses. the second set of three singles is on drums while the first one ignores drums and uses the piano with a separation on vocals. the issue with this is that the switch isn't a clean transition due to the drums being ignored during it while that's what it's supposed to be following after it. my recommendation would be to just stick to the drum beat on it as you can still have the vocal emphasis that way no problem
01:08:140 (1) - good on it's own, but it's lacking a lead in (i don't think that direction change is enough of a lead in). it comes out of nowhere atm especially considering it's one of it's kind in the kiai and thus is pretty jarring
03:03:095 (4) - these fillers (on all the quints) is counterproductive to the song representation. and even with that drop sound on it on the first quint.. i don't think mashing it together in a simple curve works too well and it's not present in other iterations either. especially in the later ones it sounds very clear that there should be a gap.
03:41:959 (1) - this transition feels really lackluster or even anticlimactic. there is no impact to it. even just deleting the previous notes works better as it has been done in the other chorus intros
04:13:049 (1,2,3) - not sure why you increase the spacing again on these instead of going further down as the vocals and the pattern previous to it would imply

hard

01:13:731 (2) - that note just seems really out of play in angle spacing and existence.. i'll assume it's an oversight
01:26:550 (3,4) - would work better with both drum and vocal if you used the slider before the single instead
01:53:686 (3) - why does this have to be a 1/4 thing. would work just fine with regular 1/2 notes without creating unnecessary additional noise
02:14:140 (2,1) - 02:15:095 (3) - also don't really have a much of a justification i feel. adding all that visual noise doesn't really make the section calmer either which going by the song it sort of should be. just using the vocals and the bass like https://puu.sh/yjKgR/641380d2bf.png would work out more comprehensively i think

normal

00:27:777 (3) - since all the three whites one this slider are strong notes you migh twant to actually map all of them too since skipping strong notes can easily confuse the focus. it's also inconsistent with the later occurances.
03:49:322 (2) - could be confusing on where to click since head and tail have the same distance from the previous note and the flow doesn't really make it clear either

advanced has some unsnapped objects according to my aimod

Namki

1,281 posts

Joined November 2014

Namki 2017-11-12T17:37:12+00:00

loreley asked for a little mod for hard so here it is...

00:22:322 (1) - that's actually a good sliderart but it doesn't really fit here. It looks a bit to overdone comparing to these simple curved sliders.
00:37:050 (1,2,3) - I find this really enjoyable to play and pretty well-looking but it's a hard, isn't it? So I don't think it does fit here by means of playability. These overlaps may cause some reading problems for this level players as far as I can judge.
01:13:050 (1,2,3) - супер далекий джамп, а музыка-то особо не меняется.
01:45:777 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - ты ведь понимашь, что мне тут не нравится? Слишком много серклов, тут надо юзать какой-то филлерритм. Это же хардик, а не екстра от аляки.
02:16:050 (1,2) - крайне не нравится, как это звучит. Замени, мб, на 1/2 и 3/4 слайдеры, этот 1/4 там вообще не в тему, звук не тот для харда.
02:19:322 - she's doing so much emphasis on that so should you imo. Having a slidertail on such kind of sounds is a lack of emphasis.
The entire part of yours (from 02:18:504 - and till break) is mapped kinda controversially, can't see any following reason to make sliders overlap each other, because the map itself is quite generic and uses clear paths and flow unlike this part. You may want to recieve more feedback about it.

the rest is quite decent
gl

Icekalt

507 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-11-12T18:58:14+00:00

Deramok wrote:
as requested

extra
00:12:231 (5,6) - unlike the other large three note jumps in the intro these aren't really supported by drum build ups but with more static snares. so i'd recommend using lower spacing or another slider. while doing that you could make 00:12:504 (1) - less sharp as it sits on a vocal that continues the phrase rather than starting a new one like in other occasions. so having it more fluid would work better i feel agreed there - lowered spacing and did a better transition to (1)
00:13:186 (2,3,4,5,6) - these are also not really supported in their current shape. they can work as fillers if you really want that but i'd find it much more compelling if the drum beats were reflected properly. basically 2 and 4 are fillers that could be better blank or on slider ends while 6 has two drum hits contrary to 5 which only has one on it's start, which could also be differentiated better. remade rythm and spacing
00:17:004 (4) - why would the filler note carry higher emphasis than the actual sounds. reversing the spacing with the previous three notes would make more sense, though would need a new pattern. otherwise just leaving it blank would work perfectly fine too, giving the following note more impact as a pick up rather than it just being a pacekeeper from the acceleration from the note before it with the only emphasis point being the angle. this one is better executed 00:20:140 (3) - though ofc they're not perfectly translatable with the different vocals on them, concept works similarly though oups, i forgot to change this rythm after misiterpretating it - changed it back to kinda simular 00:19:868 -
00:41:959 (1,2,3,4) - i think those would work better as two sets of three decellerating singles for a better contrast to the fast sliders i think the slider works well as a transition tool cause its very slow and i dont want to do the same as in the lower diffs
01:03:777 (3,4) - these notes are very strong with their direction changes and spacing. so much that they take away from the transition on 01:04:595 (7,1) - , making it feel subpar while it sounds like it should be more of a highlight than those low drum hits. a fix example fould be stacking 3 on the head of 1 and mocing 4 around a bit accordingly, gicing the thing a more conjunct feeling, keeping the direction to build momentum untill the transition. readjusted here and there so 01:04:595 (7,1) - stands a bit more out - i need to agree thatit was a bit underwhelming
01:20:686 (6,7,8) - took me a while to figure out what bothered me, so it probably fine, but i think 6 should be longer for a better contrast in the build up to the strong note in the beginning of the new meassure. i think it would be good to do so especially with 01:19:322 (6,7,3,4) - before it having a very similar structure and unnoticably lower spacing, making the final transition less impactful due to the similarity, so having it different in such a way might be profitable its fine imo - if more ppl complain i would change this
01:25:322 (3) - isn't part of what 01:24:777 (1,2) - represent but already of 01:25:595 (4,5) - . so i'd use the same shape. since those three are irregularities within themselfes though you could pretty much leave it int he same spot with something like https://puu.sh/yjIxF/a8f7be72c1.png fully agree there
01:29:140 (3) - would make a good transition to use the drums and make it two singles yep
01:44:140 (1,2) - for a reintroduction, as the music does, you could add the note between those. would also be consistent with 01:49:595 (2,3) - i change this for now but i am not really satisfied with it atm
for a similar purpose 01:50:413 (3) - could also be singles yea
01:54:777 (2) - suggesting to ctrl g for more coherent flow , which i feel would be appropriate due to the vocal transition, and emphasis on the strong vocals, simultanously curring spacing from 01:55:595 (1) - which is on a low vocal did
02:09:231 (2) - blends in a bit too much imo. the vocal is stronger than the other ones, so it would be nice to have an emphasising difference. for example having a different direction on the next note by using ctrl g on 3 would have such an effect nice idea
02:22:459 (4) - that note eats way too much emphasis for no reason. it's just a filler and breaks the emphasis on the vocal before it as well as making the following one merely part of the same pattern rather than having it be a transition or start of something new. similarly with 02:24:095 (4) - just that it's even the highest spacing in the pattern (same for 02:35:550 (4) - ) changed spacing
02:31:459 (7) - works as a filler, but i'd still suggest to use a slider on 6 instead for the drum (same for 02:45:095 (2,3) - ) i didnt liked the idea of uing sliders but i did them less overwhelming
insane
00:17:413 (1) - since the entire part has a very strong vocal focus, it's kind of jarring if the longer sliders like this one just skip a vocal in the end while others like 00:20:686 (1,2) - capture it. not sure if there's a system behind that or why it is that way. same with 00:33:777 (1,1) - which suddenly use that click sound that is ignored everywhere else made rythm more consistend there
00:52:322 (3,1) - these throw me off because they confuse focuses. the second set of three singles is on drums while the first one ignores drums and uses the piano with a separation on vocals. the issue with this is that the switch isn't a clean transition due to the drums being ignored during it while that's what it's supposed to be following after it. my recommendation would be to just stick to the drum beat on it as you can still have the vocal emphasis that way no problem compleatly remapped that part before the spinner
04:13:049 (1,2,3) - not sure why you increase the spacing again on these instead of going further down as the vocals and the pattern previous to it would imply imo the intensity of the vocals goes up in 04:13:049 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - in comparison with the previous one so i made it go up again (prolly subjective)

advanced has some unsnapped objects according to my aimod fixed them ~

Thank you very much for the pretty much free mod - apreciate it very much

Namki wrote:
loreley asked for a little mod for hard so here it is...

00:22:322 (1) - that's actually a good sliderart but it doesn't really fit here. It looks a bit to overdone comparing to these simple curved sliders.yea i overdone it there
00:37:050 (1,2,3) - I find this really enjoyable to play and pretty well-looking but it's a hard, isn't it? So I don't think it does fit here by means of playability. These overlaps may cause some reading problems for this level players as far as I can judge. i will get more opinios on this and your last point before i change this ofc if the concern is right
02:19:322 - she's doing so much emphasis on that so should you imo. Having a slidertail on such kind of sounds is a lack of emphasis. i didnt emphasise this really cause the music didnt begin yet - i dont think that more than a sliderend is necessary
The entire part of yours (from 02:18:504 - and till break) is mapped kinda controversially, can't see any following reason to make sliders overlap each other, because the map itself is quite generic and uses clear paths and flow unlike this part. You may want to recieve more feedback about it.
the rest is quite decent
gl

Thanks for coming by o/

tatemae

836 posts

Joined November 2014

tatemae 2017-11-12T21:36:07+00:00

Namki@
Все пофиксил, но один репит убрал, а другой все-таки оставил(для интереса).
@IceKalt
check hs pls 03:40:800 (1) -

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Fushimi Rio

Fushimi Rio 2017-12-05T19:07:03+00:00

Deramok wrote:
as requested

insane
01:08:140 (1) - good on it's own, but it's lacking a lead in (i don't think that direction change is enough of a lead in). it comes out of nowhere atm especially considering it's one of it's kind in the kiai and thus is pretty jarring with low cs setting I think it would be ok for direction changes
03:03:095 (4) - these fillers (on all the quints) is counterproductive to the song representation. and even with that drop sound on it on the first quint.. i don't think mashing it together in a simple curve works too well and it's not present in other iterations either. especially in the later ones it sounds very clear that there should be a gap. nice idea, made some patterns
03:41:959 (1) - this transition feels really lackluster or even anticlimactic. there is no impact to it. even just deleting the previous notes works better as it has been done in the other chorus intros ok, raised the sv

Fixed a lot. Thanks for modding!

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Title:Katayoku no Tori
TitleUnicode:片翼の鳥
Artist:Shikata Akiko
ArtistUnicode:志方あきこ
Creator:IceKalt
Version:Rio & Ice's Insane
Source:うみねこのなく頃に
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-Mo-

Nomination Assessment Team

953 posts

Joined December 2012

-Mo- 2017-12-06T19:29:47+00:00

General
- 02:20:140 - Why no kiai time? This seems to be a chorus thing like your other kiai times.

Riko & Phyl's
- 00:04:322 (5) - 00:10:868 (5) - I'd recommend some NCs around here somewhere since the current combos stretch over way too many measures.
- 00:28:050 - This beat seems significant enough to be mapped to me. I'd recommend a rhythm like you did at 00:31:322 (2,3).
- 00:43:322 - Similar thing, makes more sense to continue mapping here since your current rhythm is following the vocals anyway.
- 02:03:777 (1, 2) - Might be better placing this pattern on the right side of the screen, since you already had it on the left at 00:40:322 (1,2).
- 03:41:959 (1) - I would avoid overlapping the tail with the body to make a more simple shape for beginners, since it could potentially confuse them.

Kanan & Ice's
- 00:34:595 (2) - Seems to be the only slider of its kind in this map so it looks out of place, and the implied flow from this to the next object isn't really smooth either so I would probably change this.
- 00:41:959 - 00:45:231 - 02:05:413 etc - Would be better mapping this beat to a clickable object since it's on the downbeat and it's noticably significant.
- 00:43:595 (1) - 02:07:050 (1) - I would probably use a 1/2 slider for this so you don't leave a 3/2 gap that could be mistaken for a 1/1.
- 01:31:050 - 02:59:413 - 18 and 24 second breaks are pretty long, which could bore players by making them wait such a long time. 01:44:140 and 03:12:504 seem like appropriate places to start mapping again.
- 01:52:322 (3) - Shape seems kinda weird to me since the shallow bends don't really make the shape well defined.
- 02:08:413 - Might as well keep mapping the vocals, even if they did change here.
- 02:13:595 (1,2) - These are close enough to be blankets that you might as well adjust them to be better blankets, they're too sharp right now.
- 02:39:777 (1) - Should be 2/1 snapped according to 01:17:959 (1).
== 02:49:595 (1) - Goes offscreen.
- 04:01:595 (1) - Seems to be missing hitsounds.
- 04:18:777 (2,3,4) - Blanket things.

Lore & Ice's
- 00:46:050 (2) - NC should be over here.
- 00:57:163 - Might as well start the slider here since that's where the sound actually starts. Blue tick shouldn't be unreadable since there aren't any objects before this anyway.
- 01:03:231 (1) - 01:18:777 (1) etc - Single object combo doesn't seem necessary here to me.
- 02:25:049 (1) - I'd probably avoid overlapping the slider tail so much, since the reverse arrow may be difficult to read on some skins.
== 04:01:663 (1) - Wrong snap.
- 04:24:231 (3,1) - Would probably space this like you did with 04:23:413 (3,1).

Rio & Ice's
- 00:26:413 (2) - NC to indicate SV change might be good here.
== 00:39:504 (2) - Offscreen on 4:3.
- 01:21:163 (4) - Don't really like ow obstructed this circle is, especially since it's on the blue tick and the player will have less time to react to it.
- 01:31:050 - Similar problem with long breaks.

Final Judgement
== 00:01:050 - Red and green lines have different sample sets.
- 00:17:413 (1) - Seems to be missing hitsounds.
- 02:47:959 (1,1) - Spacing between these sliders seem to be inconsistent with the others, since everything else seems to be somewhat close to the slider end.
- 03:50:686 (3,4) - I think using a sharper flow between these would fit better to add emphasis on the downbeat where 4 is. Easy fix would be to rotate 4 clockwise by 90 degrees.

Seems pretty nice. Wouldn't mind seeing a few more mods before I recheck this.

Icekalt

507 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-07T18:20:11+00:00

-Mo- wrote:
General
- 02:20:140 - Why no kiai time? This seems to be a chorus thing like your other kiai times. (i just noticed that my explantion doesnt fit w/ my diffs other than topdiff so ill change the kiai in theese] in the topdiff the focus of my mapping is so much different that i dont wanna include that as my kiai - for example i have there a big focus on vocals and my rotation gimmick isnt as linear as in the previous kiais so i decided on not making it a kiai

Kanan & Ice's
- 00:34:595 (2) - Seems to be the only slider of its kind in this map so it looks out of place, and the implied flow from this to the next object isn't really smooth either so I would probably change this. wait - why is this slider so out of place, oups (i like the shape tho) - ofc changed
- 00:41:959 - 00:45:231 - 02:05:413 etc - Would be better mapping this beat to a clickable object since it's on the downbeat and it's noticably significant.im not a fan of this cause then i would need 2 additional circles if i still want to map to the vocals - then the emphasis on the slow part would have too much density what i dont like - i would stick to my version
- 00:43:595 (1) - 02:07:050 (1) - I would probably use a 1/2 slider for this so you don't leave a 3/2 gap that could be mistaken for a 1/1. yea - 3/2 gaps are too wierd, you right there
- 01:31:050 - 02:59:413 - 18 and 24 second breaks are pretty long, which could bore players by making them wait such a long time. 01:44:140 and 03:12:504 seem like appropriate places to start mapping again. im shortend the first break but i let the second break - idk but the break seems fine to and filling the break would really approve the map
- 01:52:322 (3) - Shape seems kinda weird to me since the shallow bends don't really make the shape well defined. better shape now ~
- 02:08:413 - Might as well keep mapping the vocals, even if they did change here. ahhhh i hated that part - i added a circle the for vocals but im not 100% satisfied yet :/
- 02:13:595 (1,2) - These are close enough to be blankets that you might as well adjust them to be better blankets, they're too sharp right now. fixed
- 02:39:777 (1) - Should be 2/1 snapped according to 01:17:959 (1). changed to 2/1 ^^
02:49:595 (1) - isnt off anymore
- 04:01:595 (1) - Seems to be missing hitsounds.oups
- 04:18:777 (2,3,4) - Blanket things oups x2.

Lore & Ice's
- 00:46:050 (2) - NC should be over here.the NC is on 00:45:777 (1) - because of the pattern - it would fit too cause when i follow the vocals she starts over on 00:45:777 - instead on 00:46:050 -
- 00:57:163 - Might as well start the slider here since that's where the sound actually starts. Blue tick shouldn't be unreadable since there aren't any objects before this anyway.yea - 100x wouldnt be likely here
- 01:03:231 (1) - 01:18:777 (1) etc - Single object combo doesn't seem necessary here to me.not necessary but thats a way to emphazise that intense section more - think its ok and wouldnt be a huge problem
- 02:25:049 (1) - I'd probably avoid overlapping the slider tail so much, since the reverse arrow may be difficult to read on some skins. reduced overlap a bit
== 04:01:663 (1) - Wrong snap.oups again
- 04:24:231 (3,1) - Would probably space this like you did with 04:23:413 (3,1). good suggestion ~

Rio & Ice's
- 00:26:413 (2) - NC to indicate SV change might be good here.absolutely agreed
== 00:39:504 (2) - Offscreen on 4:3. not anymore
- 01:21:163 (4) - Don't really like ow obstructed this circle is, especially since it's on the blue tick and the player will have less time to react to it. fixed
- 01:31:050 - Similar problem with long breaks. reduced the breaks here a bit too buuuut dont see a big problem on them beeing so long - i mean the the song overall is very long so a long song can have long breaks

Final Judgement
== 00:01:050 - Red and green lines have different sample sets. oups (s3 ep7)
- 00:17:413 (1) - Seems to be missing hitsounds. oups (idk anymore)
- 02:47:959 (1,1) - Spacing between these sliders seem to be inconsistent with the others, since everything else seems to be somewhat close to the slider end. nerfed spacing a bit
- 03:50:686 (3,4) - I think using a sharper flow between these would fit better to add emphasis on the downbeat where 4 is. Easy fix would be to rotate 4 clockwise by 90 degrees. fixed it some other way but angle is sharper nontheless!

Seems pretty nice. Wouldn't mind seeing a few more mods before I recheck this.

Thanks a lot man! - i will apply 2-3 mods and then ill ask you to recheck again ~

LMT

535 posts

Joined October 2015

LMT 2017-12-10T03:13:54+00:00

[Final Judgement]

00:49:322 (2,3,4) - decrease spacing for this to denote a decrease in pitch compared to 00:47:686 (2,3,4) - . That would be cool
00:51:777 (1,2,3,4) - didn't get the intention of following the drums at first, might need to make it clearer. Try sth like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9729872
02:15:231 (1,2,3,4) - ^
01:19:322 (6,7) - and 01:20:140 (3,4) - trying ctrl+g these two? The sliders in this maps are quick enough that the player wouldn't follow the slider properly here. Flow should be straightforward here imo.
02:16:595 (5,6) - NC for the sake of consistency with these 00:53:140 (1,2) - ?
04:14:413 (3) - 2 circles for percussions?
04:20:959 (3) - ^

[Insane]
00:07:322 (4) - any specific reason why those aren't 2 circles like 00:04:050 (5,6) - ?
00:13:868 (4) - this as well but it's a lot weaker so it's not very important.
00:51:777 (1,2,3,4,1) - this rhythm is conflicting with the top diff.
01:21:163 (4) - can this be a bit more visible? Since you don't use 1/4 often and it's hard to predict this note. Also if you choose to map the 1/4 there, it's worth thinking about 01:17:890 - placing a 1/4 note in places like this as well.

[Hard]
01:53:686 (3) - 1/4 slider in this section is overkill + don't think the vocals is that special to be emphasised this way.
02:14:140 (2) - I can't hear 1/4 beats here
02:10:050 (3) - ^
02:16:322 (2) - ^, too faint to be emphasised as such
03:59:687 (2) - should be snapped to 1/2 tbh cus drum structure, but if you prefer 1/4 the sliderend should be silenced.

you can ask me to check for lower diffs if you need it, I was just too lazy to look at those xd

gl

Icekalt

507 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-10T12:35:47+00:00

LMT wrote:
[Final Judgement]
00:49:322 (2,3,4) - decrease spacing for this to denote a decrease in pitch compared to 00:47:686 (2,3,4) - . That would be cool yea why not
00:51:777 (1,2,3,4) - didn't get the intention of following the drums at first, might need to make it clearer. Try sth like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9729872 i like that
02:15:231 (1,2,3,4) - ^ ^
01:19:322 (6,7) - and 01:20:140 (3,4) - trying ctrl+g these two? The sliders in this maps are quick enough that the player wouldn't follow the slider properly here. Flow should be straightforward here imo. really nice
02:16:595 (5,6) - NC for the sake of consistency with these 00:53:140 (1,2) - ? made them consistend with changing that pattern anyways
04:14:413 (3) - 2 circles for percussions?
04:20:959 (3) - ^ some juicy suggestions here - i like this

[Insane]
00:07:322 (4) - any specific reason why those aren't 2 circles like 00:04:050 (5,6) - ? oups
00:13:868 (4) - this as well but it's a lot weaker so it's not very important. yea i wanna show that lower intensity in the song in this last part with not putting that pattern in^^
00:51:777 (1,2,3,4,1) - this rhythm is conflicting with the top diff. its not really conflicting with it - its the same rythm pattern as in the chorus what i have in the topdiff - its just another pattern of the rythm - not really i would have to worry about ^^

[Hard]
03:59:687 (2) - should be snapped to 1/2 tbh cus drum structure, but if you prefer 1/4 the sliderend should be silenced. did ~
you can ask me to check for lower diffs if you need it, I was just too lazy to look at those xd nahh - its fine

gl

Thanks alot for the mod

HappyRocket88

4,321 posts

Joined May 2014

HappyRocket88 2017-12-13T04:32:42+00:00

Please don't give up on this map!!!! >__< It's really good! Please!!!

Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,950 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2017-12-13T04:44:59+00:00

You’re not allowed to mute both slidertick and sliderslide
Nice hitsounds

Final Judgement
00:01:050 (1) - 45 degree straight sliders are really jarring to look at, considering this is literally the first object, use a different shape so player isn’t scared away.
00:21:095 (2,3) - Jump seems pretty large compared to the other jumps with this sound, nerf for consistency.
00:32:140 (1,3,4) - Adding a visual relation to these sliders would be more organised, rather than just being the same angle.
00:40:322 (1) - Would prefer if SV started at 1.4x here for a sharper impact. Maybe use one of those shapes that abuse slider leniency so it’s easy to hit
00:47:686 (2,3,4) - 00:49:322 (2,3,4) - Both have the same general structure but are mapped a little different, just make them a bit more similar with spacing / shape.
00:59:140 (4,5,6) - 01:12:231 (4,5,6) - This pattern emphasises that 4,5,6 are similar sounds, but only 5,6 have vocal. Change this so 4 is somewhere else.
01:04:868 (1) - Vocal would be nice to follow with ½ sliders like 01:05:686 (4,5,6) - since it’s the most interesting part of the song :/ 1/1 just goes over it.
01:17:959 (1) - 1.5/1 sliders like this are actually pretty cool when SV is high, you could easily put a couple more in the other sections.
01:23:413 (3,1) - blanket 🤢
01:24:777 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - This kinda looks messy, I don’t know how to describe it though D: Maybe ask a mentor or something since they know more than me.
01:30:231 (1) - borderline unreadable

^ most of the diff's issues revolve around those, didn't really have anything to say about the other diffs when I looked at them.

Icekalt

507 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-14T17:52:37+00:00

HappyRocket88 wrote:
Please don't give up on this map!!!! >__< It's really good! Please!!!

uhhh i dont give up dont worry ^^ - and thank you for the random stars

Sinnoh wrote:
You’re not allowed to mute both slidertick and sliderslide o - ill change that
Nice hitsounds thanks ><

Final Judgement
00:01:050 (1) - 45 degree straight sliders are really jarring to look at, considering this is literally the first object, use a different shape so player isn’t scared away. this is thing is a bit "whatever" but ill change it - didnt look too bad to me but idc if ill change that a tiny bit
00:21:095 (2,3) - Jump seems pretty large compared to the other jumps with this sound, nerf for consistency. i nerfed a bit but since 00:22:322 (1,2,3) - and 00:25:595 (1,2,3) - have kinda the same ds for now it should be fine as it is after the change
00:32:140 (1,3,4) - Adding a visual relation to these sliders would be more organised, rather than just being the same angle.
00:40:322 (1) - Would prefer if SV started at 1.4x here for a sharper impact. Maybe use one of those shapes that abuse slider leniency so it’s easy to hit agreed
00:47:686 (2,3,4) - 00:49:322 (2,3,4) - Both have the same general structure but are mapped a little different, just make them a bit more similar with spacing / shape. made them straigt now instead of curved (i like the fading out so ds is reducing with every object tho)
00:59:140 (4,5,6) - 01:12:231 (4,5,6) - This pattern emphasises that 4,5,6 are similar sounds, but only 5,6 have vocal. Change this so 4 is somewhere else. i think this dont matter too much since i dont concentrate on the vocals in the kiais at all (only in the chorus non kiai) - i dont really want to concentrate on vocals at al since my concept wouldnt fit with them (thats why my more vocal focused chorus hasnt got a consistend direction change / not overall so heavy circular movement
01:04:868 (1) - Vocal would be nice to follow with ½ sliders like 01:05:686 (4,5,6) - since it’s the most interesting part of the song :/ 1/1 just goes over it. hmmm - i dont know with it being the most interesting one - imo the most outstanding vocal part is 01:17:959 (1) - its the only vocal that really stand up from the rest thats why i only emphazised this one (btw there isnt a drum on 01:18:231 - ,thats anoter reason why this is an 1.5 slider)
01:17:959 (1) - 1.5/1 sliders like this are actually pretty cool when SV is high, you could easily put a couple more in the other sections. i think i explained it in my point above
01:23:413 (3,1) - blanket 🤢 oups, wtf is this shit
01:24:777 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - This kinda looks messy, I don’t know how to describe it though D: Maybe ask a mentor or something since they know more than me. uhh - i can see myself why it is unclean as hell, changed that to a fitting, nice looking pattern ^^
01:30:231 (1) - borderline unreadable since i had many testplays etc on this map i dont agree here ~ (since nobody misread this section)

^ most of the diff's issues revolve around those, didn't really have anything to say about the other diffs when I looked at them.

thanks you very much for your mod

UndeadCapulet

1,100 posts

Joined April 2013

UndeadCapulet 2017-12-16T07:18:39+00:00

at your req, sry for no stream:

Final Judgement

change diffname to "Final Judgment"

00:04:050 (5,6,1) - this rhythm change doesn't stand out that much when you had such a huge difference in motioning between 00:03:504 (3,4) - and 00:01:868 (3,4,5) - , if you match these arranges closer together it'll make for a nicer feeling (for an example, you do this sort of thing at 00:10:050 (3,4) - already)
00:12:504 (1,2) - this 1/1 reverse followed by 1/1 gap has like no motion to it and is really pacekilling, think you should just use a rhythm more similar to your normal thing in this section
00:28:050 (1,2,3) - and 00:31:322 (1,2,3) - are rly weirdfeeling extended sliders imo, they're kinda just random vocalbeats with not much to them, and then when you reach stuff like 00:36:231 (4,5,6) - and the extensions don't happen anymore, it further makes them stick out
00:40:322 (1) - due to the current small spacing and the increased sv of 00:39:504 (2) - , this has like no power at all to it even though it's a big vocal shout and new musical section
01:20:277 (4,5) - this jump is rly big for this part imo, since basically everything is winding down at this point in the song. save the big jump for something like 01:20:959 (7,8,1) - where things pick back up. similar thing for 04:03:913 (4,5) -
02:02:140 (1) - silly shape
02:02:959 (2,1) - this massive spacing and directionchange takes a lot of power away from the upcoming svchange, think you should rearrange this
connecting 04:22:868 (1,2,3) - and 04:23:686 (4,5,6) - together in spacing and arranging is rly rly weird when you separated 04:22:050 (1,2,3) - from them already

ok big one: the 02:20:140 - second chorus section is rly weirdly mapped to me. you make it pretty clear in most ways that you don't rly see this being as powerful as your kiaistuffs, what with the lower overall rhythm density and rly long sliders, but you have a lot of snappy motions and big jumps still, so it still plays a lot like kiaistuffs. if you rly wanna make a more clear distinction that this section is more melodicfeeling and less powerful than your kiais, try taking out jumps like 02:23:822 (2,3,4,5) - and 02:25:459 (2,3) - , and instead rely more on slidertail leniencystuffs, so use arranges like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9775220 or something along those lines. still gives a pacing increase but is much smootherfeeling to fit this part of the song better

other than that, you have a habit of spiraling in the same direction for somewhat long periods of time, going just clockwise/counterclockwise over and over. it's not so bad that it makes for a poor play experience, but it does lead to some things not feeling as powerful as they would if you paid more mind to changing directions. just keep it in mind for future maps i suppose

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rio and ice

01:44:959 (2,3,4) - and 01:48:232 (2,3,4) - are odd rhythm choices, i don't rly hear anything of note on these redticks

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lore and ice

00:39:504 (4,1) - pretty big ww

sup qat you like my extensive bn worthy mods i hope so

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rest of the spread

need a diff between the current advanced and hard. "advanced" is almost exclusively 1/1, while hard is primarily 1/2 and features jumps and svchanges and sliderleniencystuffs and stacking arranges and blahblah you get the idea.
advanced is just a normal, and the current normal is an easy. so rename them accordingly ^^'

diffs themselves are ok though

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Icekalt

507 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-16T14:01:29+00:00

UndeadCapulet wrote:
at your req, sry for no stream:
Final Judgement
change diffname to "Final Judgment" LOL nobody noticed that at all

00:04:050 (5,6,1) - this rhythm change doesn't stand out that much when you had such a huge difference in motioning between 00:03:504 (3,4) - and 00:01:868 (3,4,5) - , if you match these arranges closer together it'll make for a nicer feeling (for an example, you do this sort of thing at 00:10:050 (3,4) - already) made the contrast more clearer
00:12:504 (1,2) - this 1/1 reverse followed by 1/1 gap has like no motion to it and is really pacekilling, think you should just use a rhythm more similar to your normal thing in this section yea - added a circle as a filler
00:28:050 (1,2,3) - and 00:31:322 (1,2,3) - are rly weirdfeeling extended sliders imo, they're kinda just random vocalbeats with not much to them, and then when you reach stuff like 00:36:231 (4,5,6) - and the extensions don't happen anymore, it further makes them stick out imo i made them sick out enough with alot different spacing (and even different combo colors) - adding to that i dont want 00:36:231 (4,5,6) - to have the same feeling as theese you mentioned cause for me at 00:33:777 - a kinda buildup is happening in the music where theese pattern should change cause they dont give me the same feeling
00:40:322 (1) - due to the current small spacing and the increased sv of 00:39:504 (2) - , this has like no power at all to it even though it's a big vocal shout and new musical section remapped that intense part so i can better work around it ~
01:20:277 (4,5) - this jump is rly big for this part imo, since basically everything is winding down at this point in the song. save the big jump for something like 01:20:959 (7,8,1) - where things pick back up. similar thing for 04:03:913 (4,5) - i nerfed + buffed the part here and there but i dont think changing 04:03:913 (4,5) - is necessary since the contrast isnt too high
02:02:140 (1) - silly shape :(
02:02:959 (2,1) - this massive spacing and directionchange takes a lot of power away from the upcoming svchange, think you should rearrange this i need to diagree that it takes away the power there - the slider arent really fast and making it more stand out would be too surprising for the players
connecting 04:22:868 (1,2,3) - and 04:23:686 (4,5,6) - together in spacing and arranging is rly rly weird when you separated 04:22:050 (1,2,3) - from them already i dont think so cause when the slider 04:21:231 (1,1,2,3) - wouldnt be there it would be 6 circles too like in the following patterns ~
ok big one: the 02:20:140 - second chorus section is rly weirdly mapped to me. you make it pretty clear in most ways that you don't rly see this being as powerful as your kiaistuffs, what with the lower overall rhythm density and rly long sliders, but you have a lot of snappy motions and big jumps still, so it still plays a lot like kiaistuffs. if you rly wanna make a more clear distinction that this section is more melodicfeeling and less powerful than your kiais, try taking out jumps like 02:23:822 (2,3,4,5) - and 02:25:459 (2,3) - , and instead rely more on slidertail leniencystuffs, so use arranges like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9775220 or something along those lines. still gives a pacing increase but is much smootherfeeling to fit this part of the song better i guess the idea is quite nice - ill lower the circle spacing overall in this part

other than that, you have a habit of spiraling in the same direction for somewhat long periods of time, going just clockwise/counterclockwise over and over. it's not so bad that it makes for a poor play experience, but it does lead to some things not feeling as powerful as they would if you paid more mind to changing directions. just keep it in mind for future maps i suppose uhh its kinda the gimmick in the map that it is so circular :/

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rio and ice
01:44:959 (2,3,4) - and 01:48:232 (2,3,4) - are odd rhythm choices, i don't rly hear anything of note on these redticks i guess its ok but i might change this later

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lore and ice
00:39:504 (4,1) - pretty big ww damn yea it is, baby (this is fine tho - i asked a few ppl to check this)

sup qat you like my extensive bn worthy mods i hope so :ok_hand:

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rest of the spread
need a diff between the current advanced and hard. "advanced" is almost exclusively 1/1, while hard is primarily 1/2 and features jumps and svchanges and sliderleniencystuffs and stacking arranges and blahblah you get the idea.
advanced is just a normal, and the current normal is an easy. so rename them accordingly ^^' ill name the diffs like you said but adding another diff isnt really necessary imo cause you could argue too thati introduced high sv for the adv so calling is normal is risky two - in conclusion you could even argue that i should do another additional diff between adv + normal but since he adv is a "filler diff" in its own it would be too much imo

diffs themselves are ok though

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gl

Thanks alot

appreciate it ^^

Last edited by Icekalt 2017-12-16T14:20:21+00:00, edited 3 times in total.

Trynna

714 posts

Joined May 2013

Trynna 2017-12-16T14:06:11+00:00

o he asked for some feedbox on normal difficulty (emphasis on difficulty)

irc

2017-12-16 10:56 IceKalt: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1324311 Shikata Akiko - Katayoku no Tori [Kanan & Ice's Normal]]
2017-12-16 10:58 IceKalt: (uhh i remind that im struggling if i call this a normal/adv spread or a easy/normal spread)
2017-12-16 10:59 Trynna: haha easy diff with normal icon 
2017-12-16 10:59 Trynna: is that me 
2017-12-16 10:59 IceKalt: yea.
2017-12-16 11:00 IceKalt: i hate this :D
2017-12-16 11:00 Trynna: that was a joke cuz i have 2 ranked ez diffs with normal icon on both lol 
2017-12-16 11:00 IceKalt: i guess i will stick to advanced in the end tho since a few sliders could be too hard for a "normal"
2017-12-16 11:01 Trynna: lemme see spread btw cuz usually easy with normal icon and normal with hard icon is not that common
2017-12-16 11:01 IceKalt: yea
2017-12-16 11:01 IceKalt: i just changed it due UCs request
2017-12-16 11:01 IceKalt: dont know if im stick to it tho
2017-12-16 11:01 Trynna: holy that sv 
2017-12-16 11:03 Trynna: this song is so gud i can listen to it for hours 
2017-12-16 11:03 IceKalt: me >making a 20 min set lol
2017-12-16 11:03 IceKalt: so kinda same :D
2017-12-16 11:04 Trynna: uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh yea
2017-12-16 11:04 Trynna: normal is really really harder than a normal shud b
2017-12-16 11:05 IceKalt: so adv would be better you say?
2017-12-16 11:05 IceKalt: (and ill name the easy normal again)
2017-12-16 11:05 IceKalt: like i did before i guess
2017-12-16 11:05 Trynna: the thing is 
2017-12-16 11:05 Trynna: easy is a common easy 
2017-12-16 11:05 Trynna: so it wouldn't fit as a normal 
2017-12-16 11:05 Trynna: the thing with your normal is 
2017-12-16 11:05 Trynna: spacing is really really big 
2017-12-16 11:06 Trynna: and sv is kinda uuh death to all noobs
2017-12-16 11:06 IceKalt: hmm
2017-12-16 11:06 IceKalt: thats the compleat opposide what UC said btw :D
2017-12-16 11:06 Trynna: also shapes like 00:53:413 (1) - is not that greatful to newbies to go through 
2017-12-16 11:07 IceKalt: o
2017-12-16 11:07 Trynna: honestly, i've been watchin a friend of mine that was learning stuff 
2017-12-16 11:07 Trynna: so i had the chance to know what a newbie player feels like again 
2017-12-16 11:07 Trynna: and yea it's just adasfdsadsa to them to go through things like that
2017-12-16 11:08 IceKalt: https://puu.sh/yHDfn/9d41819119.png
2017-12-16 11:08 IceKalt: thats what UC said btw
2017-12-16 11:08 IceKalt: now im a bit confused :D
2017-12-16 11:08 IceKalt: on what i should do
2017-12-16 11:08 Trynna: hm 
2017-12-16 11:09 IceKalt: here he is saying that the hard is like too hard in comparison with the adv
2017-12-16 11:09 IceKalt: and you say the adv is too hard than the normal
2017-12-16 11:09 Trynna: uuh like 
2017-12-16 11:10 IceKalt: i also dont want to change too much stuff cause i was originaly planning on calling mo for a recheck so he cam bubble
2017-12-16 11:10 IceKalt: with changing too much stuff i mean like adding a whole difficulty
2017-12-16 11:10 IceKalt: and i dont think thats necessary
2017-12-16 11:13 Trynna: i also don't believe stuff like 02:32:958 (8,1) - is a real thing to normal players 
2017-12-16 11:13 Trynna: i mean you won't really see stuff like that on harder difficulties 
2017-12-16 11:13 Trynna: flow could be improved
2017-12-16 11:14 Trynna: the other shapes are a bit harsh but they are ok 
2017-12-16 11:15 IceKalt: hm i guess i will rename to advanced + normal again
2017-12-16 11:15 IceKalt: i mean
2017-12-16 11:15 Trynna: they would probably be shaking the cursor already, so putting some patterns like this 03:53:959 (5,6,7,8,1) - would be a free break
2017-12-16 11:15 IceKalt: i would love to name it easy + adv in the end
2017-12-16 11:16 Trynna: cuz 03:54:504 (7,8,1) - is a bit too much 
2017-12-16 11:16 IceKalt: o
2017-12-16 11:16 Trynna: improving the curve would be :ok_hand: 
2017-12-16 11:16 IceKalt: yea
2017-12-16 11:17 Trynna: i mean, if you consider that the easy diff has some high sv already, the only thing that could be hard to deal with would be the spacing 
2017-12-16 11:17 Trynna: but easy does it 0.8 and u did 1x 
2017-12-16 11:17 Trynna: so it's objectively whatever
2017-12-16 11:17 Trynna: you can go with easy - normal 
2017-12-16 11:17 Trynna: but if you show it to a player and say 
2017-12-16 11:17 Trynna: go and fc that shiet
2017-12-16 11:17 Trynna: he would prob have a lot of trouble 
2017-12-16 11:18 IceKalt: thats why i would prefer calling it adv :D
2017-12-16 11:18 Trynna: you don't need to 
2017-12-16 11:18 Trynna: just take that yo your future maps 
2017-12-16 11:18 Trynna: to* 
2017-12-16 11:18 IceKalt: k ~
2017-12-16 11:20 Trynna: oh also 
2017-12-16 11:20 Trynna: is it really necessary to drop your nc pattern here 02:03:777 - 
2017-12-16 11:20 Trynna: goes kinda agains the rest of the map 
2017-12-16 11:20 IceKalt: yea
2017-12-16 11:20 IceKalt: :D
2017-12-16 11:21 IceKalt: thats right
2017-12-16 11:21 IceKalt: but i wanna somehow show
2017-12-16 11:21 Trynna: vocals i know
2017-12-16 11:21 IceKalt: that this part in the music is drasicly different
2017-12-16 11:21 Trynna: but idk if this really matters at this point
2017-12-16 11:21 IceKalt: so i wanna implement different combo colors
2017-12-16 11:21 Trynna: cuz other parts are also really different and intense and u just kept that pattern 
2017-12-16 11:21 Trynna: like on kiai 
2017-12-16 11:21 IceKalt: like i did in every diff
2017-12-16 11:22 IceKalt: yea but like
2017-12-16 11:22 IceKalt: 02:03:777 (1,2) -
2017-12-16 11:22 IceKalt: there are just 2 notes
2017-12-16 11:23 IceKalt: i guess its my way to try to emphasize the music
2017-12-16 11:23 IceKalt: in low diffs
2017-12-16 11:23 Trynna: what about covering 02:04:186 - since u did it on the other part tho 
2017-12-16 11:23 Trynna: at least u wouldn't keep a whole combo with 2 objects
2017-12-16 11:24 IceKalt: hm
2017-12-16 11:24 IceKalt: thats a thing i could work with
2017-12-16 11:25 IceKalt: yea i change that
2017-12-16 11:25 Trynna: 03:47:686 (5,2) - aesthetics are cryin rn 
2017-12-16 11:26 IceKalt: lol
2017-12-16 11:26 Trynna: ur not Trynna to overlap random stuff all the time u kno!?!
2017-12-16 11:26 IceKalt: but what if i am :eyes:
2017-12-16 11:27 Trynna: actually a joke but avoid those tiny accidentally 
2017-12-16 11:27 Trynna: 04:16:322 (1,2) - thats weirddd
2017-12-16 11:27 Trynna: cuz actually u can cover a sound at 04:18:504 - 
2017-12-16 11:27 Trynna: and the spacing also implies that the slider is there
2017-12-16 11:27 Trynna: and it is now so i tilt 
2017-12-16 11:28 Trynna: spacing 04:26:959 (4,1) - tho 
2017-12-16 11:28 IceKalt: but i wanna undermap :D
2017-12-16 11:29 IceKalt: o
2017-12-16 11:29 IceKalt: oups
2017-12-16 11:29 IceKalt: xD
2017-12-16 11:29 IceKalt: no
2017-12-16 11:29 IceKalt: wait
2017-12-16 11:29 IceKalt: it is right
2017-12-16 11:29 IceKalt: mo it is not nvm :D
2017-12-16 11:29 Trynna: yea but only cuz u changed sv 
2017-12-16 11:29 IceKalt: no*
2017-12-16 11:30 Trynna: ok 
2017-12-16 11:30 Trynna: lets talk about real shit now 
2017-12-16 11:30 IceKalt: yea
2017-12-16 11:30 Trynna: imagine that 
2017-12-16 11:31 Trynna: 04:17:959 - u just put a reverse like u did at 04:18:777 (2,3,4) - 
2017-12-16 11:31 Trynna: which would subjectively be the right thing 
2017-12-16 11:31 Trynna: cuz the section starts there and whatever
2017-12-16 11:31 Trynna: you would need to cover 04:18:504 - 
2017-12-16 11:31 Trynna: so undermapping it to do all that shit right after is just inconsistent and weirdo 
2017-12-16 11:32 IceKalt: is it inconsisten tho?
2017-12-16 11:32 IceKalt: cause i have it 04:16:322 (1) - too
2017-12-16 11:33 Trynna: i mean 
2017-12-16 11:33 Trynna: the actual rhythm is something like that https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9777248
2017-12-16 11:33 Trynna: i don't see how 04:16:322 (1) - being a reverse would be a nice idea overall 
2017-12-16 11:34 IceKalt: o yea kinda
2017-12-16 11:34 Trynna: and also u followed the drums on 04:15:777 (2,3) - 
2017-12-16 11:34 IceKalt: i sounds better
2017-12-16 11:35 Trynna: and ignoring 04:17:413 - 04:17:686 - is lol? 
2017-12-16 11:35 IceKalt: kinda yea
2017-12-16 11:35 IceKalt: i just noticed that too
2017-12-16 11:35 Trynna: also keepin 04:09:777 (1,2) - is really a trap 
2017-12-16 11:35 IceKalt: that my friends
2017-12-16 11:35 IceKalt: is inconsistend
2017-12-16 11:35 Trynna: cuz spacing and shit 
2017-12-16 11:35 IceKalt: yea
2017-12-16 11:35 Trynna: thats my main concern about the diff
2017-12-16 11:35 Trynna: rest is mainly ok 
2017-12-16 11:36 Trynna: call me back when i can bubble

Sakurauchi Riko

1,579 posts

Joined January 2015

Sakurauchi Riko 2017-12-16T14:37:36+00:00

-Mo- wrote:
General
- 02:20:140 - Why no kiai time? This seems to be a chorus thing like your other kiai times.

Riko & Phyl's
- 00:04:322 (5) - 00:10:868 (5) - I'd recommend some NCs around here somewhere since the current combos stretch over way too many measures.
- 00:28:050 - This beat seems significant enough to be mapped to me. I'd recommend a rhythm like you did at 00:31:322 (2,3).
- 00:43:322 - Similar thing, makes more sense to continue mapping here since your current rhythm is following the vocals anyway. i think here its nice to have a bigger gap because the following downbeat should really stand out because its very strong and special
- 02:03:777 (1, 2) - Might be better placing this pattern on the right side of the screen, since you already had it on the left at 00:40:322 (1,2).
- 03:41:959 (1) - I would avoid overlapping the tail with the body to make a more simple shape for beginners, since it could potentially confuse them.

else changed, thanks!

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-Mo-

Nomination Assessment Team

953 posts

Joined December 2012

-Mo- 2017-12-19T15:16:51+00:00

Recheck

Timing
== 03:40:819 - BPM change thing here sounds late to me, and then the switch back to 220 BPM also sounds slightly late.
== 00:57:231 - BPM change should be applied here too since the circles in the higher diff sound pretty late to me.
Looking at the CTB set that line should be around 211 BPM, but I can't seem to get that perfect, but either way the timing still needs adjustment. (Also double BPM lol, but Mir is gonna shoot me if I talk about this.)

Riko Phyl
- 01:59:959 (3) - Can't remember if this was like this last time, but I think 1/2 slider would work better here to fit the vocal notes.
- 02:26:686 (1,3) - This overlap may as well be avoided, kinda sticks out right now.

Kanan Ice
- 01:47:413 (1) - Has a slider whistle over it which seems unintentional.
- 03:58:049 (7,2) - Not super important, but if you can find a way to either avoid the overlap or stack it on the tail then this would look a lot neater.

As for diff names, given the star rating and tempo, I'm more inclined to say leave it as is. You can get more opinions on this if you want. Ideally the Advanced could've had more 1/2 rhythms to introduce, since Hard uses a lot of them now that I think about it.

Lore Ice
- 01:24:777 - Active clickable beat thing would've been better here since vocal is here, and current rhythm is putting emphasis on 01:24:913 instead.
- 01:26:550 (3,4) - Swapping rhythm would be better so that sliders follow the held notes etc etc.
- 02:28:322 (1,2,3,4) - This looks too cluttered and messy to me.
In fact, I think most of the overlaps in this 'chorus' are kind of odd choices. I understand you're interpreting this chorus to not be as intense as the other two, however I don't think it's so different that you should map with a structure that uses a lot of tail overlaps. It kinda sticks out too much in a messy kind of way when in my opinion the sections aren't too different.
- 02:49:595 (1,1) - Might as well avoid the tail overlapping the first slider there.

Rio Ice
- 00:23:959 (1) - Head seems to be missing whistle.
- 00:44:686 (4) - I'd either keep the shape simple, or don't obscure so much of the body, doing both could potentially throw some players off.
- 02:46:322 (1) - Almost burai depending on who you ask. I'd probably avoid making the loop thing so extreme, it looks weird to me anyway.
- 03:17:685 (2) - Seems to be missing whistle.

Second Judgment
- 01:31:050 (1) - Wondering if it's worth spacing this out to add more emphasis onto it.
- 03:50:959 - Seems to be missing whistle.

Seems mostly okay to me.

Double check your colourhaxing is as intended for all diffs too.

I'll probably hold off trying to nominate this for now on the grounds that even during a recheck I'm still finding a few problems and things that I don't really agree with in the lower diffs.

nextplay

976 posts

Joined December 2015

nextplay 2017-12-19T15:28:24+00:00

-Mo- wrote:
Recheck

Timing
== 03:40:819 - BPM change thing here sounds late to me, and then the switch back to 220 BPM also sounds slightly late.
== 00:57:231 - BPM change should be applied here too since the circles in the higher diff sound pretty late to me.
Looking at the CTB set that line should be around 211 BPM, but I can't seem to get that perfect, but either way the timing still needs adjustment. (Also double BPM lol, but Mir is gonna shoot me if I talk about this.)

Kanan Ice
- 01:47:413 (1) - Has a slider whistle over it which seems unintentional.
- 03:58:049 (7,2) - Not super important, but if you can find a way to either avoid the overlap or stack it on the tail then this would look a lot neater. fixed

As for diff names, given the star rating and tempo, I'm more inclined to say leave it as is. You can get more opinions on this if you want. Ideally the Advanced could've had more 1/2 rhythms to introduce, since Hard uses a lot of them now that I think about it.

I'll probably hold off trying to nominate this for now on the grounds that even during a recheck I'm still finding a few problems and things that I don't really agree with in the lower diffs.

did some other changes too and added some 1/2 slider to fit the spread better

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Icekalt

507 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-19T19:40:55+00:00

-Mo- wrote:
Recheck

Timing
== 03:40:819 - BPM change thing here sounds late to me, and then the switch back to 220 BPM also sounds slightly late.
== 00:57:231 - BPM change should be applied here too since the circles in the higher diff sound pretty late to me.
Looking at the CTB set that line should be around 211 BPM, but I can't seem to get that perfect, but either way the timing still needs adjustment. (Also double BPM lol, but Mir is gonna shoot me if I talk about this.) idk i get split opinons about that - ill try to ask more around

Kanan Ice
- 01:47:413 (1) - Has a slider whistle over it which seems unintentional. yea

As for diff names, given the star rating and tempo, I'm more inclined to say leave it as is. You can get more opinions on this if you want. Ideally the Advanced could've had more 1/2 rhythms to introduce, since Hard uses a lot of them now that I think about it. kanan introducing them pretty good now after the change

Lore Ice

- 02:28:322 (1,2,3,4) - This looks too cluttered and messy to me.
In fact, I think most of the overlaps in this 'chorus' are kind of odd choices. I understand you're interpreting this chorus to not be as intense as the other two, however I don't think it's so different that you should map with a structure that uses a lot of tail overlaps. It kinda sticks out too much in a messy kind of way when in my opinion the sections aren't too different.
since of many concers (and i dont wanna end like mun) i kinda remapped the whole 2nd chorus - i dont have overlaps in theese rythms anymore ( 02:20:959 (3,4,5) - as example) but still have somes at 02:39:777 (1,2,3) - but they dont look messy and i kinda still want to have some here and there

- 02:49:595 (1,1) - Might as well avoid the tail overlapping the first slider there. yea

Rio Ice
- 00:23:959 (1) - Head seems to be missing whistle. ahh so many hitsounds
- 00:44:686 (4) - I'd either keep the shape simple, or don't obscure so much of the body, doing both could potentially throw some players off. i think its ok (btw when a part in the song should throw some players off then this part )
- 02:46:322 (1) - Almost burai depending on who you ask. I'd probably avoid making the loop thing so extreme, it looks weird to me anyway. erased the burai
- 03:17:685 (2) - Seems to be missing whistle. oups ~

Second Judgment
- 01:31:050 (1) - Wondering if it's worth spacing this out to add more emphasis onto it. idk tho - i like the pattern too much
- 03:50:959 - ahhh - too many hitsounds Seems to be missing whistle.

Seems mostly okay to me.

Double check your colourhaxing is as intended for all diffs too. its fine as it is - anything has a reason (for me) - would be useless to explain everything here since i could write a book about it (it is intenstional that it isnt consistend on every diff^^)

I'll probably hold off trying to nominate this for now on the grounds that even during a recheck I'm still finding a few problems and things that I don't really agree with in the lower diffs.

Thanks alot that you recheck - i try to improve the lower diffs as i can. thanks alot that you looked at the set!

Cloudchaser

2,327 posts

Joined May 2012

Cloudchaser 2017-12-21T16:29:42+00:00

Hello guys! A mod from my really Casual Modding Queue. Modding 3 difficults since it was a condition from my rules

General

All seems in order!

Riko&Phyl's Normal

00:31:322 (2,3,4) - There's a inconsistency with the DS here. Gladly, you only have to adjust the note to the actual DS and done
Since you're following vocals in the beginning 01:50:686 (1,2,3) -, consider changing this pattern of 1 slider and 1 circle 01:55:595 (3) -. How? adjust the length to 01:56:140 - and put a note in the next white tick 01:56:413 -. In my opinion, this would emphasize way much better the rhythm, incluiding the hitsounding.
02:00:231 - This part feels awkward when you play it because you expect clicking something, I've told you before that seems you're using sliders to follow vocals. So, how would be it much better? I have two ideas. First of all, 01:59:959 - you can make a 1/2 slider here, or just make a simple circle here 02:00:231 - (First option is much better anyway, consider using that one at least) .
02:46:322 (1,1,1,1) - I have consulted to some friends of mine about this point. We consider that this is very difficult considering that is the lower diff in the mapset. We agreed that adding sliderart would be much better (like in the Advanced), also it will be more instuitive to the newbie players.
03:25:595 (1) - This object is off from my screen, it's just a minor problem. Just move it above a little bit!
So is this pattern too 03:26:140 (2,3,4) -
03:43:595 (3) - I don't like to be Nazi at this point because I understand that sliders are more like an art expression and stuff but, Can you make it symmetrical in this case? the proportion is inconsistent, and I'm sure it would look prettier. If you have problems fixing it, you can adjust it removing the grid snap (that's the secret of many slider art)

My opinion: I am very conformable with the result of this Normal in general. I noticed only general aspect in terms of mapping, not a big deal but not something to ignore at all. Well, I have my doubts. I felt like this a bit picky for newbies, there's a lot of 1/2 considering it's the lower difficult. Nothing else to say, I really liked it.

Kanan & Ice's Advanced

When I testplayed this difficult, I did notice of a flow mistake here 00:10:868 (1,2) - I didn't like how it plays because I expected to go in the direction of the slider's tail. I understand that it's a Advanced but if you can fix it to make it more instuitive, I would do something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817090
00:34:595 - There's a missing whistle in the head of the slider, since you did in 00:35:413 - I'd expect to hear a whistle for vocals there.
00:38:686 (3,4,1) - I don't like go "nazi" in this part of the beatmap but when people make polarized sliders like in this case, I would want to see two things, blankets or symmetry. You have everything to make a perfect circle with two sliders. See how it looks symmetrical and with (1) https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817127
00:59:413 (2,3) - This look pretty boring vs 01:10:868 (4,5) - I would like to see both like in (4,5) Very good!
01:29:959 (3,4) - If you're going to use "straight" patterns, then you should align 01:30:231 (4) - with (3). Or even better, you can do something like 03:43:049 (2,3,4) -. It emphasizes really nice the downbeat.
01:46:868 (2) - Stack this note with 01:46:050 (2) - . This point is really optional but I think it looks prettier when you play it.
02:07:459 (2) - Hmmm, I don't know If this really intentional but I find it ugly tbh. I'd make something simplier like a https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817205 (and it's the same idea!)
03:54:231 (6,7,8) - This rhythm is poor. It's because the strong vocal start 03:53:959 - and you started later. My suggestion is https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817246 . Now compare this vs your actual pattern, I'm sure you'll agree with me.
04:32:959 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't think I have to tell you that you must remove this for overmapping, I guess.

My opinion: Actually, this is my favorite difficult, it's picky but at the same time very instuitive. I didn't have much problems modding it.

Lore&Ice's Hard

00:35:413 (1,2,3) - The reason why I pointed this is because of the DS. It's nothing related to the rhythm, it's good. But my reason is that after (1)
comes (2) with a distance of 1/2 notes and even more, it's hardly visible to the players. My suggestion is to adjust (2) and (3) with DS 1,4 (your default one)
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817356
02:41:413 (4) - Minor stuff but this is off from my screen, if you can move it above a little bit. So is this note 02:44:686 (4) -
03:31:186 (3,4) - Minor stuff: Polish this blanket. Disable Grid Snap if needed.

My opinion: Personally, the emphasis of the sliders with the drum is fantastic in general, I mean, it adjust to the gameplay and feels nice when you play it. Congrats

Considering the lowest difficult is a bit picky, you could make a Easy difficult. I understand it takes time but I understand the point of Mo.
That's all. If you have some question please make me know. Sometimes I don't explain well because of my english but it's part of learning.
Gl

Icekalt

507 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-21T18:07:42+00:00

Cloudchaser wrote:
Hello guys! A mod from my really Casual Modding Queue. Modding 3 difficults since it was a condition from my rules

General
All seems in order!

Kanan & Ice's Advanced
When I testplayed this difficult, I did notice of a flow mistake here 00:10:868 (1,2) - I didn't like how it plays because I expected to go in the direction of the slider's tail. I understand that it's a Advanced but if you can fix it to make it more instuitive, I would do something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817090 agreed ~
00:34:595 - There's a missing whistle in the head of the slider, since you did in 00:35:413 - I'd expect to hear a whistle for vocals there. oups
00:38:686 (3,4,1) - I don't like go "nazi" in this part of the beatmap but when people make polarized sliders like in this case, I would want to see two things, blankets or symmetry. You have everything to make a perfect circle with two sliders. See how it looks symmetrical and with (1) https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817127 looks k_hand: now
00:59:413 (2,3) - This look pretty boring vs 01:10:868 (4,5) - I would like to see both like in (4,5) Very good! did ~
01:46:868 (2) - Stack this note with 01:46:050 (2) - . This point is really optional but I think it looks prettier when you play it. 01:45:777 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - is more like a spread thing since i do that in upper diffs too (and prolly taste too)
02:07:459 (2) - Hmmm, I don't know If this really intentional but I find it ugly tbh. I'd make something simplier like a https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817205 (and it's the same idea!) i guess i mad eit better now
04:32:959 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't think I have to tell you that you must remove this for overmapping, I guess. ok - why the fuck is that actually there -.-

My opinion: Actually, this is my favorite difficult, it's picky but at the same time very instuitive. I didn't have much problems modding it.
Lore&Ice's Hard
00:35:413 (1,2,3) - The reason why I pointed this is because of the DS. It's nothing related to the rhythm, it's good. But my reason is that after (1)
comes (2) with a distance of 1/2 notes and even more, it's hardly visible to the players. My suggestion is to adjust (2) and (3) with DS 1,4 (your default one)
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817356 i think it is ok as it is now ^^
02:41:413 (4) - Minor stuff but this is off from my screen, if you can move it above a little bit did. So is this note 02:44:686 (4) - wait - is it
03:31:186 (3,4) - Minor stuff: Polish this blanket. Disable Grid Snap if needed. nazi

My opinion: Personally, the emphasis of the sliders with the drum is fantastic in general, I mean, it adjust to the gameplay and feels nice when you play it. Congrats

Considering the lowest difficult is a bit picky, you could make a Easy difficult. I understand it takes time but I understand the point of Mo. i dont know if it would be fitting to the song tho - an additional easy would be like a diff consisting out of very easy to read slider art and wouldnt actually add something to the spread what the set need ~ mo's main concern is the lack of quality in the lower diffs what i try to make better ~ ^^
That's all. If you have some question please make me know. Sometimes I don't explain well because of my english but it's part of learning.
Gl

Thanks alot for the critzism and nice words ~ !

Cloudchaser

2,327 posts

Joined May 2012

Cloudchaser 2017-12-21T19:28:23+00:00

The offnotes are at least in my screen that is really really huge xD

Adding an easy was my real opinion though with a Normal is ok as long as it plays as a normal

Maffe

104 posts

Joined August 2014

Maffe 2017-12-24T23:55:50+00:00

top diff

00:33:360 (5,6) - These stand out kinda too much. It fits the pressure nicely but its like no need to space them out this much cuz theres nothing really on those ticks. I suggest something like:

(extra: 01:49:587 (2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - These spacings seem really volatile as in the song is pretty calm overall and you are replicating stuff equal in intensity as much more intense parts of the song.)

Icekalt

507 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-25T00:26:22+00:00

Applied to both things maffe said

Sakurauchi Riko

1,579 posts

Joined January 2015

Sakurauchi Riko 2017-12-25T00:59:26+00:00

Cloudchaser wrote:
Hello guys! A mod from my really Casual Modding Queue. Modding 3 difficults since it was a condition from my rules

General
All seems in order!
Riko&Phyl's Normal
00:31:322 (2,3,4) - There's a inconsistency with the DS here. Gladly, you only have to adjust the note to the actual DS and done
Since you're following vocals in the beginning 01:50:686 (1,2,3) -, consider changing this pattern of 1 slider and 1 circle 01:55:595 (3) -. How? adjust the length to 01:56:140 - and put a note in the next white tick 01:56:413 -. In my opinion, this would emphasize way much better the rhythm, incluiding the hitsounding. but the song gets really calm here and i want to indicate that with a lower rhythm density
02:00:231 - This part feels awkward when you play it because you expect clicking something, I've told you before that seems you're using sliders to follow vocals. So, how would be it much better? I have two ideas. First of all, 01:59:959 - you can make a 1/2 slider here, or just make a simple circle here 02:00:231 - (First option is much better anyway, consider using that one at least) .
02:46:322 (1,1,1,1) - I have consulted to some friends of mine about this point. We consider that this is very difficult considering that is the lower diff in the mapset. We agreed that adding sliderart would be much better (like in the Advanced), also it will be more instuitive to the newbie players. i really like the concept of the spinners and I rarely see opportunities to take advantage of that. in that case i think the spinners are long enough to score on and are a nice experience for new players (so they keep the map in mind and stuf flike that). whether a bn decides if its okay or not, i will change it then
03:25:595 (1) - This object is off from my screen, it's just a minor problem. Just move it above a little bit!
So is this pattern too 03:26:140 (2,3,4) - both are offscreen in the editor but not when you play the map, even on 4:3 resolution
03:43:595 (3) - I don't like to be Nazi at this point because I understand that sliders are more like an art expression and stuff but, Can you make it symmetrical in this case? the proportion is inconsistent, and I'm sure it would look prettier. If you have problems fixing it, you can adjust it removing the grid snap (that's the secret of many slider art)

My opinion: I am very conformable with the result of this Normal in general. I noticed only general aspect in terms of mapping, not a big deal but not something to ignore at all. Well, I have my doubts. I felt like this a bit picky for newbies, there's a lot of 1/2 considering it's the lower difficult. Nothing else to say, I really liked it. but i dont use any 1/2 rhythms ><. i agree sliderarts are kind of tricky for newbies at some point but a nice experience for them overall :3

-Mo- wrote:
Riko Phyl
- 01:59:959 (3) - Can't remember if this was like this last time, but I think 1/2 slider would work better here to fit the vocal notes. yes
- 02:26:686 (1,3) - This overlap may as well be avoided, kinda sticks out right now. stacked instead

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Cloudchaser

2,327 posts

Joined May 2012

Cloudchaser 2017-12-25T17:13:46+00:00

Sakurauchi Riko wrote:
Cloudchaser wrote:
My opinion: I am very conformable with the result of this Normal in general. I noticed only general aspect in terms of mapping, not a big deal but not something to ignore at all. Well, I have my doubts. I felt like this a bit picky for newbies, there's a lot of 1/2 considering it's the lower difficult. Nothing else to say, I really liked it. but i dont use any 1/2 rhythms ><. i agree sliderarts are kind of tricky for newbies at some point but a nice experience for them overall :3[/list]

In general, this was a nice difficult. In terms of mapping, it's a bit picky because of the BPM but you got nice results. After all, my mod was more my point of view about the diff and not like "must change" stuff.
GL

defiance

503 posts

Joined July 2015

defiance 2017-12-25T19:47:40+00:00

hi m4m

[Normal]
00:05:951 (3) - you could probably make this a reverse to try and match the vocals
00:41:405 (2,1,2) - i would move these more to the right because the movement is kind of awkward for a beginner (basically make it flow out of 1)
01:01:587 (1) - this is not fitting at all, especially for the kiai. rhythm here should be more dense. I would suggest a 2/1 reverse at the start and then a 1/1 slider on 01:01:587 (1) -
01:13:042 (3) - again, i would use a reverse here to match the vocals
02:32:132 (4) - would ctrl + j this, movement here isn't very nice for beginners due to the direction of this slider

i kinda wish the kiai's were a bit more dense, but i think you didn't do that for sr

[Advanced]
00:26:951 (3) - i'd place this a little lower so that the movement to 1 doesn't feel so awkward
01:01:587 (1) - making this slider 3/2 would match
01:06:905 (4,5) - lining these up would be much better, the slight right movement is a bit weird
01:49:860 (3) - really don't understand why you just put slider's over vocal syllables, just make it a reverse
01:52:314 (3) - i really don't understand what you are following here. seems like you are prioritizing making pretty sliders but i think the rhythm should be a 2/1 slider then a circle on 01:52:314 (3) -
02:16:860 (1) - i feel like this slider would be confusing for advanced players, I think you can simplify it because where it goes in and out of itself can be confusing
02:25:042 (4) - slider shape is kinda sharp movement unexpectedly, i would suggest making it smoother
03:45:223 (1) - sounds better if this was 3/2 too
03:57:769 (5) - ds error
03:58:860 (2) - oof you skipped the downbeat here, I would really suggest mapping it

[Hard]
ar 7.5 would be better imo
00:30:224 (5,6,1) - random emphasis in the calmer part doesn't really work and can really throw a player off, i would just stack these
00:43:587 (1,2,3,4) - backwards movement isn't very easy for a hard player and considering that you didn't do it before the same section before, I would try and do something easier :/
02:22:860 (3,4,5) - a bit too much movement here, i would make 3 flow directly into 4
03:41:951 (1,2) - these are not parallel

[Insane]
00:04:042 (5,6) - could be confused for 1/4, i would probably make these jumps. same applies in other places
00:26:405 (1,2) - again, can be confused for 1/4. I would suggest blanketing 2 on 1
03:40:811 (1,1,1,1) - i don't get why you decided to map the vocals here but not on any other parts before the chorus
03:48:905 (2,3) - the emphasis here is really unnecessary because there's nothing in the music that can support it, i would move it closer

this insane is executed very well. nice

[Top diff]
00:12:223 (5,6,1) - kind of backwards emphasis, 5-6 gets more distance than 6-1
00:40:723 (1,1) - this gap looks really difficult to hit, you can emphasize it, but I think it's too much as it is rn
01:14:405 (6,7,1) - this is absolutely brutal due to the linear nature of 7,1. it's fairly similar to the other emphasis in the chorus, I would try to nerf this because it's unnecessarily difficult
02:24:223 (5,6,7) - this arrangement of 3 that you've been doing is good, though this one doesn't really follow any logic and just looks messy considering your previous arrangements

that's all I really have to say. I would focus the most on the advanced.

good luck!

Icekalt

507 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-26T00:27:43+00:00

osuskrub wrote:
hi m4m

[Advanced]
00:26:951 (3) - i'd place this a little lower so that the movement to 1 doesn't feel so awkward yea
01:01:587 (1) - making this slider 3/2 would match i change this but i dont know if i liked that better b4 or not
01:06:905 (4,5) - lining these up would be much better, the slight right movement is a bit weird yo sir
01:49:860 (3) - really don't understand why you just put slider's over vocal syllables, just make it a reverse imo slider would be just fine since the vocal on 01:50:132 - isnt soo strong compared to 01:47:405 (1,2) - putting a slider here is more fitting for than a reverse idk (subjetive i guess)
01:52:314 (3) - i really don't understand what you are following here. seems like you are prioritizing making pretty sliders but i think the rhythm should be a 2/1 slider then a circle on 01:52:314 (3) - i just wanna have a lower note density here since the part is very calming - mapping the vocals on 01:52:723 - would be too dense for this diff imo - since i made it consistently (01:55:587 (3) - ) i guess you can do this
02:16:860 (1) - i feel like this slider would be confusing for advanced players, I think you can simplify it because where it goes in and out of itself can be confusing i gathered feedback for this slider and most of them were like "its ok" - maybe i gather a bit more
02:25:042 (4) - slider shape is kinda sharp movement unexpectedly, i would suggest making it smoother yea i agree that it comes kinda out of nowhere - change it ~
03:45:223 (1) - sounds better if this was 3/2 too ill change this for now
03:57:769 (5) - ds error uhhm - oups
03:58:860 (2) - oof you skipped the downbeat here, I would really suggest mapping it k

[Hard]
ar 7.5 would be better imo oups - ar 8 is too hard yea, didnt even saw it
00:30:224 (5,6,1) - random emphasis in the calmer part doesn't really work and can really throw a player off, i would just stack these
00:43:587 (1,2,3,4) - backwards movement isn't very easy for a hard player and considering that you didn't do it before the same section before, I would try and do something easier :/ found a solution
02:22:860 (3,4,5) - a bit too much movement here, i would make 3 flow directly into 4 yea i like that idea
03:41:951 (1,2) - these are not parallel made them ^^

[Insane]
00:04:042 (5,6) - could be confused for 1/4, i would probably make these jumps. same applies in other places i like it very much like this since then the downbeat gets emphazised alot (and since that it is consistent it shouldnt be too bad ^^
00:26:405 (1,2) - again, can be confused for 1/4. I would suggest blanketing 2 on 1 oups - for some reasong i thought this was 1/4

this insane is executed very well. nice thanks ^^

[Top diff]
00:12:223 (5,6,1) - kind of backwards emphasis, 5-6 gets more distance than 6-1 i lowered it a bit but since 00:12:360 (6,1) - has a flow break, (1) has automaticly a higher emphasis ^^
00:40:723 (1,1) - this gap looks really difficult to hit, you can emphasize it, but I think it's too much as it is rn ohh i might disagree there - first even thought this was too little emphasis (imo its fine like this)
01:14:405 (6,7,1) - this is absolutely brutal due to the linear nature of 7,1. it's fairly similar to the other emphasis in the chorus, I would try to nerf this because it's unnecessarily difficult since the difficulty was mostly in the angle i reduced it so it easier to hit ~
02:24:223 (5,6,7) - this arrangement of 3 that you've been doing is good, though this one doesn't really follow any logic and just looks messy considering your previous arrangements yea i got tired of it too (changed 02:22:587 (5,6,7) - to something nice/more fitting too ^^)

that's all I really have to say. I would focus the most on the advanced.

good luck!

Thanks alot man

DeletedUser_423548

DeletedUser_423548 2017-12-29T05:42:02+00:00

I think this map is very good

normal

01:25:587 - The sound here is so big that I feel a sense of incongruity at the end of the slider
01:24:769 (2) - Wrap this back 01:25:587 - It might be good to put a circle here
03:20:678 (3) - This slider looks bad
It is not a feeling that represents a song so it might be a little simpler to make it
04:26:951 (4) - I think I can put a 1/1 slider here
Since it becomes the last of the song, I think that it feels good to fill up the rhythm of the object a little

advanced

00:12:496 (4) - Why is not this a 1/1 rhythm?
I think that it is possible to make a return at 1/1
00:28:860 (5) - This may need to be raised a bit more
Image
00:40:314 (1) - 00:43:587 (1,2) - Why is the rhythm different?
01:06:496 (3,4) - Why will not you pick up the sound with a 1/1 rhythm?
02:28:313 (3,4,5) - I think it would be better to unify by either
01:19:587 (6) - Why are you using the 2/1 slider?
This should be the same rhythm here 01:18:769 (3, 4, 5) 02:40:587 (2,3) - 04:02:405 (3,4,5,6,7) - Just like here
03:52:587 (2,3,4) - 01:08:132 (1) - I think that it is easy to unify with the same rhythm as the last kiai because I think the first kiai slider is easy to advanced
04:17:951 (4) - Add NC?

There are already so many excellent modders, so it was not much to mod
Good luck!

Icekalt

507 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-29T15:27:16+00:00

Yasaija 714 wrote:
I think this map is very good

advanced
00:12:496 (4) - Why is not this a 1/1 rhythm? i wanted to explain it - then i noticed i cant so i'll just might change that
I think that it is possible to make a return at 1/1
00:28:860 (5) - This may need to be raised a bit more oups - defenetly changed
Image
00:40:314 (1) - 00:43:587 (1,2) - Why is the rhythm different?
01:06:496 (3,4) - Why will not you pick up the sound with a 1/1 rhythm? this was a thing i left on hold since many requested to change this - i guess it is time now :3
02:28:313 (3,4,5) - I think it would be better to unify by either only the second kiai i concentrate more on vocals than on rythm since the vocals are much stronger - thats why i mapped it differently
01:19:587 (6) - Why are you using the 2/1 slider? i have no clue xD
This should be the same rhythm here 01:18:769 (3, 4, 5) 02:40:587 (2,3) - 04:02:405 (3,4,5,6,7) - Just like here in the 2nd kiai i changed the rythm a bit but ill let the reverses since i wanna let the density in the kiai down in coparison with the other 2 ( i explained above)
03:52:587 (2,3,4) - 01:08:132 (1) - I think that it is easy to unify with the same rhythm as the last kiai because I think the first kiai slider is easy to advanced
04:17:951 (4) - Add NC? changed the NC pattern overall in this section~
There are already so many excellent modders, so it was not much to mod
Good luck!

Thank you very much

Chaoslitz

Elite Mapper / Elite Storyboarder

2,307 posts

Joined November 2013

Chaoslitz 2018-01-12T11:41:50+00:00

m4m

[General]

I don't understand why colorhax in diffs are different :v

[Normal]

Why 00:46:587 (4) is mapped but 00:43:314 - isn't?
01:20:951 - the vocal should be mapped like 01:07:860 (4) and 01:17:678 (4) - etc
01:23:678 - I would prefer something clickable to provide a better transition
01:29:405 - ^, doesnt sound good to place sliderend on a downbeat
00:14:132 (5) - should add nc as well if 01:31:042 (1) - is added
02:06:769 - Same as 00:46:587 (4)
02:42:769 - Same as 01:20:951
04:04:587 - ^

[Advanced]

00:40:314 - Missing finish
00:41:951 - i would prefer making this downbeat clickable, you can switch 00:41:405 (3,1) - in timeline
00:44:678 (3,1) - ^ and so on
well rhythm in kiai seems inconsistent for me since sometimes you are mapping the drums 00:59:951 (3,4) but switching follow the vocal 01:01:587 (1,2) (In my opinion vocal shouldn't be skipped even if you are trying to follow drums on the kiai section (i.e. vocal like 01:00:496, 01:07:042 needs to be clickable))
02:07:042 (1,2,3,4) - why rhythm choice suddenly change lol
02:16:860 (1) - you may want to shorten the overlap between those red anchors, to improve the readability for lower diffs
why the whole section 02:59:405 isn't mapped in advance but normal does? this isn't really make sense for me
03:37:042 - at least start the spinner at 03:37:110 and add reverse on 03:36:769 (2) if you want to follow the vocal..

[Hard]

00:14:132 to 00:40:314 - Seriously i think 1.0x is too fast and not suitable at all for this section
00:37:042 (1,2,3,4) - prevent such overlaps in lower diffs
01:53:746 - I think there is no sound in blue ticks?

[Insane]

02:04:178 (1,2,1) - imo the emphasis is too much for 1/4 rhythm lol
03:48:905 (2,3) - 03:50:541 (2,3) - doesn't such large distance imo

[Final Judgment]

01:08:951 (4) -03:56:678 (1) - can curve more to improve the shape
01:09:769 (1) - same
02:07:860 (1,2) - don't think the red anchor is needed lol

sorry im not experienced in timing so i can't confirm if it is accurate enough

stuff mentioned in bold are highly suggested to fix, good luck!

Lanturn

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3,912 posts

Joined March 2012

Lanturn 2018-01-12T18:40:24+00:00

うみねこのなく頃に

General:

00:57:172 - 210 BPM like before your final Kiai? Suits the vocals better here. Also I believe these (210 bpm) should both be in 4/4 though it's not really long enough to matter.

Because of the lack of a storyboard or video. Perhaps turn letterboxing on. All of the breaks are long, so it's a good visual cue to when it's about to resume.

Speaking of a lack of storyboard, consider adding one so we know who mapped which parts. Or at least add something in your description telling us this.

All of your diffs have a useless timing point at the start in one way or the other. For example in Normal, both of these can be deleted.

SPOILER

Sound could be balanced a little better at the spinners around 00:56:678 - in most of your difficulties. Some I would even use 5% (with a soft sampleset) because fade out. If you can, go through them all quickly and check them. The thump sound is a bit loud for the majority of your spinner ends.

Also again with the spinners. The very end 04:32:678 - should use the soft default instead of custom1. The thump noise is too loud here for a fade out spinner

Technically, your first Kiai should end at 01:24:496 - to match the others. If not, the last kiai should be extended to 04:21:223 - to capture the extra bits like the first one does.

Since it seems like you use combo color hax stuff. I've noticed there are a lot of inconsistencies in some places. EX. Your Normal uses different colors for the first kiai, advanced uses the wrong blue at the end, and so on. A little more consistency would be cool, but it isn't a major issue. Maybe apply this at the end of this mod if you remember.

Preview point would probably be better at the start of your first kiai so players don't have to listen to the same 1min loop over and over. There is very little difference between these two spots anyways.

[Normal]

00:37:860 (2,3) - and 00:50:951 (2,3) - Minor DS error here if you care. I thought you were doing this on purpose, but the other half of these are still 1.1.
00:52:860 (5) - & 02:16:314 (5) - Since you've been following the vocals mostly here, how about deleting this slider and adding a circle at 00:53:132 - ?
01:14:678 (1,2) - The music is stronger at 01:15:496 - Maybe map that instead?
SPOILER
02:28:314 (3) - x183 y287 if you care about making the slider end perfect.
02:46:314 (1,1,1) - Like your advanced, You should convert these spinners into some nice sliders. First off, 4 spinners in a row like that can be tiring to new players, plus the amount of time between each spinner start is 1/4 which doesn't allow for any rest. If you don't want to do the sliders, then give the spinners at least 1/2 a note break between end and startup here.
03:59:951 (3) - Overall your map structure has been very beautiful.. but then this happens and it sticks out like a sore thumb since it just feels so lazy with nothing backing it. tbh, anything else would work.
04:16:314 (3) - Same this as above. This isn't as bad, but it could look nicer. How about a wave or something? These long sliders should have more depth to them than just a simple curve!
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Like I mentioned before, beautiful structure accompanied by some nice slider designs. It's honestly nice to see a map in this day and age who has unique sliders rather than just straights and curves.
00:40:314 (1) - These sliders represent the intensity to a T.

[Advanced]

00:40:314 (1) - 00:43:587 (1) - Since you're already introducing 1/2 gaps in this difficulty, you should consider using a bit more in other places. An example here is to extend these by 1/2 so it fully captures the vocals. This will also help make the gap between N/A/H a little smoother. Currently N-A---H ish in terms of density.
00:53:405 (1) - The symmetry here is off by quite a bit. You can drag it to the center to make the symmetry easier (Red node at x256). Move it back afterwards.
SPOILER
01:52:314 (3) - & 01:55:587 (3) - Would probably suit this difficulty more if you reduced the slider by 1/1 and added a circle at 01:56:405 - Plus it captures the vocals nicely.
02:49:587 (1) - First off, Consider removing the first red node so it's a bit smoother. Secondly. Change the CS to around 5.7 and place a circle in the middle of the loop at the top. You should be able to easily adjust your nodes to make a more precise circle here. (Your old CS is 3.5 if you forget. Don't forget to change it back!)
03:12:496 - This is an extremely long break (24 seconds!) Consider starting back up here instead like Hard does.
04:22:041 (2) - Control+H Control+> and maybe move it up a little bit to x184 y108. It gets the tail away from the previous circle.
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Lots of unique sliders is a + in my book. Keeps the map fresh throughout the whole 4 mins.
02:16:860 (1) - This one is nice.

[Hard]
- All your notes from around 03:43:588 (1) - to 04:02:406 (1) - are unsnapped by 1ms.
- 00:01:451 (2) - to 00:12:496 (1) - All of this inherited timing is off.
- It's a bit strange when only the hard uses 3/4 sliders for the kiai sections. anyways, for these 3/4 sliders, consider lowering the volume on the ends quite a bit.
- Pretty much all of your NCs are inconsistent in this diff. There are times when you NC every measure, every 2 measures.. heck, every 4 measures lol. I Recommend going through this (maybe after the mods so the timestamps and such are correct)
- The middle and ending of each Kiai has an extremely long series of 1/2 gaps. I would recommend adding a few 1/1 gaps here and there to break up the strain here. This will also help balance the N/A/H gaps I was mentioning in advanced.

00:35:405 (1) - I'm not really a fan of all this overlap from the slider here. It just makes it feel more jumbled up than anything. I would personally send the tail off to the left instead. The other option is to Control+H 00:36:223 (2,3,4,1) - (and whatever after needs to be adjusted)
00:44:951 (1) - Avoid being linear and do like do did at 00:41:678 (1,2) - where (1) was its own thing and the next notes were beside it, not in the path. This helps with the sudden momentum change.
00:45:769 (1) - If this was consistent with the previous pattern. This should be attached to the previous combo. The strong jump sound is at 00:46:042 (1) -
00:57:155 (1) - If you did the timing mentioned above. Use 2 1/1 sliders here like before the last Kiai?
01:52:042 (3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - Maybe nerf this some? It's actually more dense than the Insane.
02:05:132 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - and 02:08:405 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - I'm a little sad you didn't map this like the part before the first Kiai.
02:14:132 (2) - and 02:16:314 (2) - There really isn't any background sound supporting these
02:19:587 (3) - Try x104 y132 to make the distances between 02:19:042 (2,3,1) - a little more even and they notes will flow into each other a little nicer here.
02:20:132 (1,2,3,4) - This first half of the kiai feels a bit unpolished. More rushed than anything. 02:25:041 (1,2) - These overlaps, 02:26:678 (1,2) - (2) should be rotated more and moved upwards so they flow together a bit nicer instead of the Jagged sharp turn once hit. Just all these little things add up. A little bit of TLC would do this nicely.
03:12:496 (1) - to 03:25:587 (1) - Maybe lighten this up on Hard? Right now Hard has the most density compared to Insane and Judgement. 03:17:269 (3) - Could be deleted, and a lot of the 1/2 sliders would be just fine as a single circle.
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02:49:587 (1) - this slider <3
00:37:042 (1,2,3,4) - While I don't believe covering the heads in Hard is something you should be doing, I do actually like the design here for this.

[Insane]

00:57:223 - with the new timing, consider mapping this like you did with the last kiai.
01:04:314 (2,3) - and 01:17:405 (2,3) - This part shouldn't need this much emphasis. While there are slightly stronger instruments here, it gets drowned out with the lack of vocals, making it feel more relaxed imo. I would probably use at most 2.5 here instead of 3+ Also you probably want the strongest jump leading in to the upcoming (1)
01:18:769 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Not only is this a huge jump from (3,1) but the patterns are slightly different here (Second one has jumps to each note, while the first one doesn't). not sure if you did this on purpose, but the second pattern is probably what you want the first pattern to be. Also you should probably move them a little more closer to each other.
02:04:178 (1,2) - A little overkill here imo for 3/4 sliders. If you want to emphasize with the jumps, then maybe nerf the 3/4 some, or vice versa. Having both really spikes up the difficulty on this part.
03:50:541 (2,3) - Jump is a bit much here. You want to focus to be on the upcoming 03:50:678 (3,1,2,3) - pattern, so some buildup into it would be better. Try moving 03:50:541 (2) - to 03:49:041 (3) - 's head or something a little closer. I guess this also applies to 03:48:905 (2) -
04:05:405 (3) - This slider here is pretty awkwardly placed for me. One thing you can do to alleviate this is by stacking the (2) under the (1)'s tail like 04:04:041 (1,2) - does so it gives more freedom to the (3) rather then being placed where it is. Try moving the (3) upwards so it somewhat mirrors 04:04:041 (1,2,3) - in idea.
04:07:314 (1,2,3) - The emphasis here is a lot different from the other two kiai which go somewhat relaxing.
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00:01:860 (3,4,5) - I like the use of all of these throughout the diff.
04:08:132 (1) - This whole ending section. Has good emphasis, and stays true to the song.
Slider shapes have that good balance of somewhat random, but fitting. My favorite being the simple 01:08:132 (1) -

[Final Judgment]
- Middle kiai at 02:20:132 - is missing on this diff. I would understand if it was a GDer who decided this, but it's your map. Kiai should be somewhat similar in all of your own diffs, and this being the only one doesn't really make sense. I highly recommend you add it here.

00:31:314 (1,2,3) - I like this, but it does feel a bit clustered. Try giving this a bit more room so it's more like 2/3 of the tail covered instead of over 3/4.
01:05:405 (3,4,5,6) - These feel somewhat randomly placed. A little more consistency in the shape or placement would work nicely here. If you aren't concerned about the shapes, then move the (6) to x286 y355 for DS, and the closest it can be to a proper curve.
SPOILER
01:24:223 (1,2,1) - Should probably be emphasised more on the (2,1) or about even imo. The strongest hit is 01:24:495 (1) -
01:45:223 (2) - To follow your emphasis on the downbeats and Time-distance preference here. The (2) should be quite a bit closer to the (1). Having the previous (4) closer to the (1) than then (2) goes against this.
02:01:042 (2,4) - With the strong vocals, it would probably suit this pattern if (2,4) were a little further from the 02:00:496 (1,3) -
03:12:496 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - I would even the distances on these out a little more. The sounds are essentially the same here. It would fit with the other upcoming patterns.
04:01:041 (5) - Make symmetry with the previous sliders here? This will also flow much better as well.
SPOILER
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00:39:496 (2,1,1) - Very nice design on these, and the blanket is well done.
02:38:132 (1,3) - I love this one.
03:12:496 (1) - This whole section is really nice as well. Great job here.

Well. All I can say is sorry this took so long. Work and Sickness killed me for a few days and I think I may have taken a bit too much time on this. Regardless of the block of text, I really like this set. It can use a little bit more work to perfect it, but I'd really like to see this pushed forward someday. Keep up the good work

Icekalt

507 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2018-01-13T17:57:11+00:00

(note - i will fix the advance later this week - i will answer it then ^^)
Hi chaos+Laturn~)

Chaoslitz wrote:
m4m

[General]
I don't understand why colorhax in diffs are different :v uhh yea they are kinda different in per se but not really in its style - its just personal that i kinda want them different and special for every difficult - when its a problem that i do so then tell me that ^^

[Hard]
00:14:132 to 00:40:314 - Seriously i think 1.0x is too fast and not suitable at all for this section i agree - decreased ds to .85 to 00:33:769 -
00:37:042 (1,2,3,4) - prevent such overlaps in lower diffs since both requested i make the overlap more visible
01:53:746 - I think there is no sound in blue ticks? yea kinda

[Final Judgment]
01:08:951 (4) -03:56:678 (1) - can curve more to improve the shape did
01:09:769 (1) - same
02:07:860 (1,2) - don't think the red anchor is needed lol i mean yea they are not needed but i want this small visual thing since they should be visual simular to theese with its red anchors 02:07:042 (1,1) -

sorry im not experienced in timing so i can't confirm if it is accurate enough idk who to ask tho
stuff mentioned in bold are highly suggested to fix, good luck!

Thanks alot

Lanturn wrote:
うみねこのなく頃に

General:

00:57:172 - 210 BPM like before your final Kiai? Suits the vocals better here. Also I believe these (210 bpm) should both be in 4/4 though it's not really long enough to matter. idk how to procede with this w/ timing tho - need to find one who dies timing checks

Because of the lack of a storyboard or video. Perhaps turn letterboxing on. All of the breaks are long, so it's a good visual cue to when it's about to resume.
k~

Speaking of a lack of storyboard, consider adding one so we know who mapped which parts. Or at least add something in your description telling us this.
i guess i will it put in the description then

All of your diffs have a useless timing point at the start in one way or the other. For example in Normal, both of these can be deleted.
SPOILER
oups - foxed all of theese

Sound could be balanced a little better at the spinners around 00:56:678 - in most of your difficulties. Some I would even use 5% (with a soft sampleset) because fade out. If you can, go through them all quickly and check them. The thump sound is a bit loud for the majority of your spinner ends. fixed theese

Also again with the spinners. The very end 04:32:678 - should use the soft default instead of custom1. The thump noise is too loud here for a fade out spinnerfixed

Technically, your first Kiai should end at 01:24:496 - to match the others. If not, the last kiai should be extended to 04:21:223 - to capture the extra bits like the first one does. did

Since it seems like you use combo color hax stuff. I've noticed there are a lot of inconsistencies in some places. EX. Your Normal uses different colors for the first kiai, advanced uses the wrong blue at the end, and so on. A little more consistency would be cool, but it isn't a major issue. Maybe apply this at the end of this mod if you remember.look to chaos (but still the bright blue at the adv is a mistake xD)

Preview point would probably be better at the start of your first kiai so players don't have to listen to the same 1min loop over and over. There is very little difference between these two spots anyways. fixed it ^^

[Hard]
- All your notes from around 03:43:588 (1) - to 04:02:406 (1) - are unsnapped by 1ms. why even -.-
- 00:01:451 (2) - to 00:12:496 (1) - All of this inherited timing is off. what the fuck is wrong with this game
- It's a bit strange when only the hard uses 3/4 sliders for the kiai sections. anyways, for these 3/4 sliders, consider lowering the volume on the ends quite a bit.
- Pretty much all of your NCs are inconsistent in this diff. There are times when you NC every measure, every 2 measures.. heck, every 4 measures lol. I Recommend going through this (maybe after the mods so the timestamps and such are correct) i will check the other day since not enough time atm
- The middle and ending of each Kiai has an extremely long series of 1/2 gaps. I would recommend adding a few 1/1 gaps here and there to break up the strain here. This will also help balance the N/A/H gaps I was mentioning in advanced. i know what you mean but i think its ok how it is atm since theese parts are also the most intense ones
00:35:405 (1) - I'm not really a fan of all this overlap from the slider here. It just makes it feel more jumbled up than anything. I would personally send the tail off to the left instead. The other option is to Control+H 00:36:223 (2,3,4,1) - (and whatever after needs to be adjusted) i wasnt a big fan either tbh - changed whole pattern in this part
00:44:951 (1) - Avoid being linear and do like do did at 00:41:678 (1,2) - where (1) was its own thing and the next notes were beside it, not in the path. This helps with the sudden momentum change. good catch
00:45:769 (1) - If this was consistent with the previous pattern. This should be attached to the previous combo. The strong jump sound is at 00:46:042 (1) - i dont think it should be consistend here since im concentrating here on the voice instead of rythm
00:57:155 (1) - If you did the timing mentioned above. Use 2 1/1 sliders here like before the last Kiai? i cant fix this rn since i will rework timing anyway if possible
01:52:042 (3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - Maybe nerf this some? It's actually more dense than the Insane. nerfed
02:05:132 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - and 02:08:405 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - I'm a little sad you didn't map this like the part before the first Kiai. i guess since it is a collab not everything can be the same :/
02:19:587 (3) - Try x104 y132 to make the distances between 02:19:042 (2,3,1) - a little more even and they notes will flow into each other a little nicer here. yea why not
02:20:132 (1,2,3,4) - This first half of the kiai feels a bit unpolished. More rushed than anything. 02:25:041 (1,2) - These overlaps, 02:26:678 (1,2) - (2) should be rotated more and moved upwards so they flow together a bit nicer instead of the Jagged sharp turn once hit. Just all these little things add up. A little bit of TLC would do this nicely.
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02:49:587 (1) - this slider <3
00:37:042 (1,2,3,4) - While I don't believe covering the heads in Hard is something you should be doing, I do actually like the design here for this.
everything from insane is rio's ^^

[Final Judgment]
- Middle kiai at 02:20:132 - is missing on this diff. I would understand if it was a GDer who decided this, but it's your map. Kiai should be somewhat similar in all of your own diffs, and this being the only one doesn't really make sense. I highly recommend you add it here. it more like i should deleat in in the rest since i mapped it weaker in all diffs (tho in this diff its the most difference)
00:31:314 (1,2,3) - I like this, but it does feel a bit clustered. Try giving this a bit more room so it's more like 2/3 of the tail covered instead of over 3/4. ok ^^

(ok time is up i will go further the next days ^^)
01:05:405 (3,4,5,6) - These feel somewhat randomly placed. A little more consistency in the shape or placement would work nicely here. If you aren't concerned about the shapes, then move the (6) to x286 y355 for DS, and the closest it can be to a proper curve.
SPOILER
01:24:223 (1,2,1) - Should probably be emphasised more on the (2,1) or about even imo. The strongest hit is 01:24:495 (1) -
01:45:223 (2) - To follow your emphasis on the downbeats and Time-distance preference here. The (2) should be quite a bit closer to the (1). Having the previous (4) closer to the (1) than then (2) goes against this.
02:01:042 (2,4) - With the strong vocals, it would probably suit this pattern if (2,4) were a little further from the 02:00:496 (1,3) -
03:12:496 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - I would even the distances on these out a little more. The sounds are essentially the same here. It would fit with the other upcoming patterns.
04:01:041 (5) - Make symmetry with the previous sliders here? This will also flow much better as well.
SPOILER
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00:39:496 (2,1,1) - Very nice design on these, and the blanket is well done.
02:38:132 (1,3) - I love this one.
03:12:496 (1) - This whole section is really nice as well. Great job here.
Well. All I can say is sorry this took so long. Work and Sickness killed me for a few days and I think I may have taken a bit too much time on this. Regardless of the block of text, I really like this set. It can use a little bit more work to perfect it, but I'd really like to see this pushed forward someday. Keep up the good work

t for the mod

Sakurauchi Riko

1,579 posts

Joined January 2015

Sakurauchi Riko 2018-01-24T18:08:43+00:00

osuskrub wrote:
hi m4m

[Normal]
00:05:951 (3) - you could probably make this a reverse to try and match the vocals too dense for the intro imo
00:41:405 (2,1,2) - i would move these more to the right because the movement is kind of awkward for a beginner (basically make it flow out of 1) i dont think this is necessary, it flows in a straight line with a wide angle into curved slider which is very pleasant
01:01:587 (1) - this is not fitting at all, especially for the kiai. rhythm here should be more dense. I would suggest a 2/1 reverse at the start and then a 1/1 slider on 01:01:587 (1) - follows the vocals just fine
01:13:042 (3) - again, i would use a reverse here to match the vocals 1/1 reverse too harsh
02:32:132 (4) - would ctrl + j this, movement here isn't very nice for beginners due to the direction of this slider will keep because its more visually appealing. slider leniency abuse makes it not that awkward as you might think

i kinda wish the kiai's were a bit more dense, but i think you didn't do that for sr yes mostly, i try to map most important vocals, its high bpm so hard to get dense rhythm without exceeding 2*

Yasaija 714 wrote:
I think this map is very good

normal
01:25:587 - The sound here is so big that I feel a sense of incongruity at the end of the slider but its the only way to map all of the 3 1/1 sounds without being too dense in rhythm, so i have to make it like this >.>
01:24:769 (2) - Wrap this back 01:25:587 - It might be good to put a circle here
03:20:678 (3) - This slider looks bad i agree lol
It is not a feeling that represents a song so it might be a little simpler to make it
04:26:951 (4) - I think I can put a 1/1 slider here oki
Since it becomes the last of the song, I think that it feels good to fill up the rhythm of the object a little

Chaoslitz wrote:
m4m

[notice][General]
I don't understand why colorhax in diffs are different :v
[Normal]
Why 00:46:587 (4) is mapped but 00:43:314 - isn't? i want 00:43:587 (1) - to really stand out with a huge gap because its very special. the other spot the downbeat isnt that special so i wanna have that kind of emphasis seperation
01:20:951 - the vocal should be mapped like 01:07:860 (4) and 01:17:678 (4) - etc
01:23:678 - I would prefer something clickable to provide a better transition
01:29:405 - ^, doesnt sound good to place sliderend on a downbeat but with 1/1 slider into circle into slider i think it would be too dense. i think its ok because its not beginning of a new section like the thin you mentioned before
00:14:132 (5) - should add nc as well if 01:31:042 (1) - is added
02:06:769 - Same as 00:46:587 (4)
02:42:769 - Same as 01:20:951
04:04:587 - ^

Lanturn wrote:
うみねこのなく頃に

[Normal]
00:37:860 (2,3) - and 00:50:951 (2,3) - Minor DS error here if you care. I thought you were doing this on purpose, but the other half of these are still 1.1.
00:52:860 (5) - & 02:16:314 (5) - Since you've been following the vocals mostly here, how about deleting this slider and adding a circle at 00:53:132 - ? neat thing
01:14:678 (1,2) - The music is stronger at 01:15:496 - Maybe map that instead? i wanna focus more on vocals cuz its easier to understand for newbies
SPOILER
02:28:314 (3) - x183 y287 if you care about making the slider end perfect.
02:46:314 (1,1,1) - Like your advanced, You should convert these spinners into some nice sliders. First off, 4 spinners in a row like that can be tiring to new players, plus the amount of time between each spinner start is 1/4 which doesn't allow for any rest. If you don't want to do the sliders, then give the spinners at least 1/2 a note break between end and startup here. the gap between the spinner doesnt really matter. however, i think s smaller gap is better to make the player keep spinning instead of pausing and potentially get 100 cuz of that. why i put these i alr explained somewhere
03:59:951 (3) - Overall your map structure has been very beautiful.. but then this happens and it sticks out like a sore thumb since it just feels so lazy with nothing backing it. tbh, anything else would work. yeah i agree lol, really sticks out here
04:16:314 (3) - Same this as above. This isn't as bad, but it could look nicer. How about a wave or something? These long sliders should have more depth to them than just a simple curve! here i actually did it intentional because the long holding vocal sounds fit better with also a long simple slider instead of tricky multi-curves
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Like I mentioned before, beautiful structure accompanied by some nice slider designs. It's honestly nice to see a map in this day and age who has unique sliders rather than just straights and curves. wow thank you c:
00:40:314 (1) - These sliders represent the intensity to a T.

thank you all for mods, unmentioned has been changed or reply was alr given in the post

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Icekalt

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Icekalt 2018-01-28T15:12:05+00:00

Cleaning the Advance mods now ^^ (since i reworked the kiais)

Chaoslitz wrote:
[Advanced][list]
[*]00:40:314 - Missing finish fixed
[*]00:41:951 - i would prefer making this downbeat clickable, you can switch 00:41:405 (3,1) - in timeline
[*]00:44:678 (3,1) - ^ and so on fixed em'
[*]well rhythm in kiai seems inconsistent for me since sometimes you are mapping the drums 00:59:951 (3,4) but switching follow the vocal 01:01:587 (1,2) (In my opinion vocal shouldn't be skipped even if you are trying to follow drums on the kiai section (i.e. vocal like 01:00:496, 01:07:042 needs to be clickable)) i remapped whole kiai w/ namki, should be better now
[*]02:07:042 (1,2,3,4) - why rhythm choice suddenly change lol
[*]02:16:860 (1) - you may want to shorten the overlap between those red anchors, to improve the readability for lower diffs imo the slider should be good for advanced, exspecially since i introduced sliderarts in normal too
[*]why the whole section 02:59:405 isn't mapped in advance but normal does? this isn't really make sense for mei mappedthe half of that part too now (imo its not really a problem that the gder has now 4 secs more or less drain) since i mapped that part now
[*]03:37:042 - at least start the spinner at 03:37:110 and add reverse on 03:36:769 (2) if you want to follow the vocal..k ^^

[quote=Lanturn]
[Advanced]

00:40:314 (1) - 00:43:587 (1) - Since you're already introducing 1/2 gaps in this difficulty, you should consider using a bit more in other places. An example here is to extend these by 1/2 so it fully captures the vocals. This will also help make the gap between N/A/H a little smoother. Currently N-A---H ish in terms of density.
00:53:405 (1) - The symmetry here is off by quite a bit. You can drag it to the center to make the symmetry easier (Red node at x256). Move it back afterwards. oups, yea
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01:52:314 (3) - & 01:55:587 (3) - Would probably suit this difficulty more if you reduced the slider by 1/1 and added a circle at 01:56:405 - Plus it captures the vocals nicely.
02:49:587 (1) - First off, Consider removing the first red node so it's a bit smoother. Secondly. Change the CS to around 5.7 and place a circle in the middle of the loop at the top. You should be able to easily adjust your nodes to make a more precise circle here. (Your old CS is 3.5 if you forget. Don't forget to change it back!) thanks for the tip!
03:12:496 - This is an extremely long break (24 seconds!) Consider starting back up here instead like Hard does.did already in the remake
04:22:041 (2) - Control+H Control+> and maybe move it up a little bit to x184 y108. It gets the tail away from the previous circle.did ^^
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Lots of unique sliders is a + in my book. Keeps the map fresh throughout the whole 4 mins.
02:16:860 (1) - This one is nice.[/quote]

Thanks Guys again!

- Frontier -

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- Frontier - 2018-01-31T13:59:11+00:00

m4m

[General]

There is no need for "my_angel_kanan" to be in tags.
After I looked for the lyrics of this song, I noticed that there are some lyrics that are Italian. So you should add "italian" in tags too since you've add japanese in tags.
Since I saw the other GDers' name in tags (like fushimi_rio), I think it might be needed to add underscore between sakurauchi riko so it could not being confused with sakurauchi riko which mappers had added in Aqours' map.

[Riko & Phyl's Normal]

Widescreen support is being ticked.
Try to increase the stack leniency to something like 6-7 for new players to read easily.
00:35:405 (4,5) - After I looked at these hitobjects, I think you're trying to make the slider 00:36:223 (5) - be blanketed to the slider tail 00:35:405 (4) -, but it doesn't seem like to be a blanket. So if you wish to make these sliders blanket each other, you could make them blanket perfectly.
02:26:678 (1,3) - I think what you're trying to do here is to make the slider tail 02:28:314 (3) - perfectly stacked with the slider head 02:26:678 (1) -, but it doesn't perfectly stacked. You might move the slider 02:28:314 (3) - to x:183 y:287 for a aesthetically pleasant looking here.
02:46:314 (1,1,1,1) - In my perspective I think using consecutive spinners could make an unfair problems for newbie players. Because after the first slider, newbie players' intuition is that after the spinner, it is a break. (as most of the maps are) But because of consecutive spinners, newbie players will have to readjust the pattern and move their cursors to spin again and again, which players could instead receive 100s instead of 300s. I'd recommend to make a long spinner instead to avoid unfair problem for newbie players. Just spin the spinner once and take a break looks more understandable than using consecutive spinners.
03:41:951 (1) - It might be better if you make the slider tail directs toward the following hitcircle like this so the movement here will look nicer.
03:45:223 (1) - It is too high! owo Some skins might have health point bar overlapped this slider. So I think lowering this slider down could be better.

[Namki & Ice's Advanced]

Widescreen support is being ticked.
Try to increase the stack leniency to something like 6-7 for new players to read easily.
00:10:860 (1,4) - The slider 00:10:860 (1) - hasn't fully disappeared while the slider 00:12:496 (4) - is appearing, causing that the slider 00:10:860 (1) - overlaps the slider 00:12:496 (4) - which is pretty difficult for players to play since the slider 00:10:860 (1) - has fully overlapped the slider body of 00:12:496 (4) -. Move the slider 00:12:496 (4) - away from the slider 00:10:860 (1) - so it will not make the players having unfair reading problem.
00:44:678 (3,1,2,3) - The instrumental and vocal rhythm here is totally the same as 00:41:405 (3,1,2,3) - but why they are mapped so differently? Consider making them the same for consistency.
00:59:951 (3,4) - The previous hitobjects had been followed the vocals along, but these hitobjects are followed the instrumentals. This transition could make players become confused which sound to follow with, so they'd be better to follow the vocals as the previous hitobjects had been followed. As same as 01:13:042 (3,4) -.
01:14:678 (1,2) - Isn't this part have exactly the same rhythm as 01:01:587 (1,2) -? Why they are mapped too differently?
01:45:769 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - These consecutive circles with 1/1 gap is too consecutive! Try to avoid it because too many consecutive hit objects overlapping can be confusing for newbie players.
02:49:587 (1) - This slider has touched the health point bar. This could cause unfair reading challenge for newbie players, so try to lower the slider down.
03:44:951 (6,1) - This overlap makes me triggered. xP
04:07:996 (2) - I'm pretty sure that there is literally no sound here. If there is no reason behind this note, could you simply delete this hitobject?

I'm gonna mod later. lwl

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