Shikata Akiko - Katayoku no Tori · forum

-Mo-

Nomination Assessment Team

Joined December 2012

-Mo- 2017-12-19T15:16:51+00:00

Recheck

Timing
== 03:40:819 - BPM change thing here sounds late to me, and then the switch back to 220 BPM also sounds slightly late.
== 00:57:231 - BPM change should be applied here too since the circles in the higher diff sound pretty late to me.
Looking at the CTB set that line should be around 211 BPM, but I can't seem to get that perfect, but either way the timing still needs adjustment. (Also double BPM lol, but Mir is gonna shoot me if I talk about this.)

Riko Phyl
- 01:59:959 (3) - Can't remember if this was like this last time, but I think 1/2 slider would work better here to fit the vocal notes.
- 02:26:686 (1,3) - This overlap may as well be avoided, kinda sticks out right now.

Kanan Ice
- 01:47:413 (1) - Has a slider whistle over it which seems unintentional.
- 03:58:049 (7,2) - Not super important, but if you can find a way to either avoid the overlap or stack it on the tail then this would look a lot neater.

As for diff names, given the star rating and tempo, I'm more inclined to say leave it as is. You can get more opinions on this if you want. Ideally the Advanced could've had more 1/2 rhythms to introduce, since Hard uses a lot of them now that I think about it.

Lore Ice
- 01:24:777 - Active clickable beat thing would've been better here since vocal is here, and current rhythm is putting emphasis on 01:24:913 instead.
- 01:26:550 (3,4) - Swapping rhythm would be better so that sliders follow the held notes etc etc.
- 02:28:322 (1,2,3,4) - This looks too cluttered and messy to me.
In fact, I think most of the overlaps in this 'chorus' are kind of odd choices. I understand you're interpreting this chorus to not be as intense as the other two, however I don't think it's so different that you should map with a structure that uses a lot of tail overlaps. It kinda sticks out too much in a messy kind of way when in my opinion the sections aren't too different.
- 02:49:595 (1,1) - Might as well avoid the tail overlapping the first slider there.

Rio Ice
- 00:23:959 (1) - Head seems to be missing whistle.
- 00:44:686 (4) - I'd either keep the shape simple, or don't obscure so much of the body, doing both could potentially throw some players off.
- 02:46:322 (1) - Almost burai depending on who you ask. I'd probably avoid making the loop thing so extreme, it looks weird to me anyway.
- 03:17:685 (2) - Seems to be missing whistle.

Second Judgment
- 01:31:050 (1) - Wondering if it's worth spacing this out to add more emphasis onto it.
- 03:50:959 - Seems to be missing whistle.

Seems mostly okay to me.

Double check your colourhaxing is as intended for all diffs too.

I'll probably hold off trying to nominate this for now on the grounds that even during a recheck I'm still finding a few problems and things that I don't really agree with in the lower diffs.

nextplay

976 posts

Joined December 2015

nextplay 2017-12-19T15:28:24+00:00

-Mo- wrote:
Recheck

Timing
== 03:40:819 - BPM change thing here sounds late to me, and then the switch back to 220 BPM also sounds slightly late.
== 00:57:231 - BPM change should be applied here too since the circles in the higher diff sound pretty late to me.
Looking at the CTB set that line should be around 211 BPM, but I can't seem to get that perfect, but either way the timing still needs adjustment. (Also double BPM lol, but Mir is gonna shoot me if I talk about this.)

Kanan Ice
- 01:47:413 (1) - Has a slider whistle over it which seems unintentional.
- 03:58:049 (7,2) - Not super important, but if you can find a way to either avoid the overlap or stack it on the tail then this would look a lot neater. fixed

As for diff names, given the star rating and tempo, I'm more inclined to say leave it as is. You can get more opinions on this if you want. Ideally the Advanced could've had more 1/2 rhythms to introduce, since Hard uses a lot of them now that I think about it.

I'll probably hold off trying to nominate this for now on the grounds that even during a recheck I'm still finding a few problems and things that I don't really agree with in the lower diffs.

did some other changes too and added some 1/2 slider to fit the spread better

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Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-19T19:40:55+00:00

-Mo- wrote:
Recheck

Timing
== 03:40:819 - BPM change thing here sounds late to me, and then the switch back to 220 BPM also sounds slightly late.
== 00:57:231 - BPM change should be applied here too since the circles in the higher diff sound pretty late to me.
Looking at the CTB set that line should be around 211 BPM, but I can't seem to get that perfect, but either way the timing still needs adjustment. (Also double BPM lol, but Mir is gonna shoot me if I talk about this.) idk i get split opinons about that - ill try to ask more around

Kanan Ice
- 01:47:413 (1) - Has a slider whistle over it which seems unintentional. yea

As for diff names, given the star rating and tempo, I'm more inclined to say leave it as is. You can get more opinions on this if you want. Ideally the Advanced could've had more 1/2 rhythms to introduce, since Hard uses a lot of them now that I think about it. kanan introducing them pretty good now after the change

Lore Ice

- 02:28:322 (1,2,3,4) - This looks too cluttered and messy to me.
In fact, I think most of the overlaps in this 'chorus' are kind of odd choices. I understand you're interpreting this chorus to not be as intense as the other two, however I don't think it's so different that you should map with a structure that uses a lot of tail overlaps. It kinda sticks out too much in a messy kind of way when in my opinion the sections aren't too different.
since of many concers (and i dont wanna end like mun) i kinda remapped the whole 2nd chorus - i dont have overlaps in theese rythms anymore ( 02:20:959 (3,4,5) - as example) but still have somes at 02:39:777 (1,2,3) - but they dont look messy and i kinda still want to have some here and there

- 02:49:595 (1,1) - Might as well avoid the tail overlapping the first slider there. yea

Rio Ice
- 00:23:959 (1) - Head seems to be missing whistle. ahh so many hitsounds
- 00:44:686 (4) - I'd either keep the shape simple, or don't obscure so much of the body, doing both could potentially throw some players off. i think its ok (btw when a part in the song should throw some players off then this part )
- 02:46:322 (1) - Almost burai depending on who you ask. I'd probably avoid making the loop thing so extreme, it looks weird to me anyway. erased the burai
- 03:17:685 (2) - Seems to be missing whistle. oups ~

Second Judgment
- 01:31:050 (1) - Wondering if it's worth spacing this out to add more emphasis onto it. idk tho - i like the pattern too much
- 03:50:959 - ahhh - too many hitsounds Seems to be missing whistle.

Seems mostly okay to me.

Double check your colourhaxing is as intended for all diffs too. its fine as it is - anything has a reason (for me) - would be useless to explain everything here since i could write a book about it (it is intenstional that it isnt consistend on every diff^^)

I'll probably hold off trying to nominate this for now on the grounds that even during a recheck I'm still finding a few problems and things that I don't really agree with in the lower diffs.

Thanks alot that you recheck - i try to improve the lower diffs as i can. thanks alot that you looked at the set!

Cloudchaser

2,327 posts

Joined May 2012

Cloudchaser 2017-12-21T16:29:42+00:00

Hello guys! A mod from my really Casual Modding Queue. Modding 3 difficults since it was a condition from my rules

General

All seems in order!

Riko&Phyl's Normal

00:31:322 (2,3,4) - There's a inconsistency with the DS here. Gladly, you only have to adjust the note to the actual DS and done
Since you're following vocals in the beginning 01:50:686 (1,2,3) -, consider changing this pattern of 1 slider and 1 circle 01:55:595 (3) -. How? adjust the length to 01:56:140 - and put a note in the next white tick 01:56:413 -. In my opinion, this would emphasize way much better the rhythm, incluiding the hitsounding.
02:00:231 - This part feels awkward when you play it because you expect clicking something, I've told you before that seems you're using sliders to follow vocals. So, how would be it much better? I have two ideas. First of all, 01:59:959 - you can make a 1/2 slider here, or just make a simple circle here 02:00:231 - (First option is much better anyway, consider using that one at least) .
02:46:322 (1,1,1,1) - I have consulted to some friends of mine about this point. We consider that this is very difficult considering that is the lower diff in the mapset. We agreed that adding sliderart would be much better (like in the Advanced), also it will be more instuitive to the newbie players.
03:25:595 (1) - This object is off from my screen, it's just a minor problem. Just move it above a little bit!
So is this pattern too 03:26:140 (2,3,4) -
03:43:595 (3) - I don't like to be Nazi at this point because I understand that sliders are more like an art expression and stuff but, Can you make it symmetrical in this case? the proportion is inconsistent, and I'm sure it would look prettier. If you have problems fixing it, you can adjust it removing the grid snap (that's the secret of many slider art)

My opinion: I am very conformable with the result of this Normal in general. I noticed only general aspect in terms of mapping, not a big deal but not something to ignore at all. Well, I have my doubts. I felt like this a bit picky for newbies, there's a lot of 1/2 considering it's the lower difficult. Nothing else to say, I really liked it.

Kanan & Ice's Advanced

When I testplayed this difficult, I did notice of a flow mistake here 00:10:868 (1,2) - I didn't like how it plays because I expected to go in the direction of the slider's tail. I understand that it's a Advanced but if you can fix it to make it more instuitive, I would do something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817090
00:34:595 - There's a missing whistle in the head of the slider, since you did in 00:35:413 - I'd expect to hear a whistle for vocals there.
00:38:686 (3,4,1) - I don't like go "nazi" in this part of the beatmap but when people make polarized sliders like in this case, I would want to see two things, blankets or symmetry. You have everything to make a perfect circle with two sliders. See how it looks symmetrical and with (1) https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817127
00:59:413 (2,3) - This look pretty boring vs 01:10:868 (4,5) - I would like to see both like in (4,5) Very good!
01:29:959 (3,4) - If you're going to use "straight" patterns, then you should align 01:30:231 (4) - with (3). Or even better, you can do something like 03:43:049 (2,3,4) -. It emphasizes really nice the downbeat.
01:46:868 (2) - Stack this note with 01:46:050 (2) - . This point is really optional but I think it looks prettier when you play it.
02:07:459 (2) - Hmmm, I don't know If this really intentional but I find it ugly tbh. I'd make something simplier like a https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817205 (and it's the same idea!)
03:54:231 (6,7,8) - This rhythm is poor. It's because the strong vocal start 03:53:959 - and you started later. My suggestion is https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817246 . Now compare this vs your actual pattern, I'm sure you'll agree with me.
04:32:959 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't think I have to tell you that you must remove this for overmapping, I guess.

My opinion: Actually, this is my favorite difficult, it's picky but at the same time very instuitive. I didn't have much problems modding it.

Lore&Ice's Hard

00:35:413 (1,2,3) - The reason why I pointed this is because of the DS. It's nothing related to the rhythm, it's good. But my reason is that after (1)
comes (2) with a distance of 1/2 notes and even more, it's hardly visible to the players. My suggestion is to adjust (2) and (3) with DS 1,4 (your default one)
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817356
02:41:413 (4) - Minor stuff but this is off from my screen, if you can move it above a little bit. So is this note 02:44:686 (4) -
03:31:186 (3,4) - Minor stuff: Polish this blanket. Disable Grid Snap if needed.

My opinion: Personally, the emphasis of the sliders with the drum is fantastic in general, I mean, it adjust to the gameplay and feels nice when you play it. Congrats

Considering the lowest difficult is a bit picky, you could make a Easy difficult. I understand it takes time but I understand the point of Mo.
That's all. If you have some question please make me know. Sometimes I don't explain well because of my english but it's part of learning.
Gl

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-21T18:07:42+00:00

Cloudchaser wrote:
Hello guys! A mod from my really Casual Modding Queue. Modding 3 difficults since it was a condition from my rules

General
All seems in order!

Kanan & Ice's Advanced
When I testplayed this difficult, I did notice of a flow mistake here 00:10:868 (1,2) - I didn't like how it plays because I expected to go in the direction of the slider's tail. I understand that it's a Advanced but if you can fix it to make it more instuitive, I would do something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817090 agreed ~
00:34:595 - There's a missing whistle in the head of the slider, since you did in 00:35:413 - I'd expect to hear a whistle for vocals there. oups
00:38:686 (3,4,1) - I don't like go "nazi" in this part of the beatmap but when people make polarized sliders like in this case, I would want to see two things, blankets or symmetry. You have everything to make a perfect circle with two sliders. See how it looks symmetrical and with (1) https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817127 looks k_hand: now
00:59:413 (2,3) - This look pretty boring vs 01:10:868 (4,5) - I would like to see both like in (4,5) Very good! did ~
01:46:868 (2) - Stack this note with 01:46:050 (2) - . This point is really optional but I think it looks prettier when you play it. 01:45:777 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - is more like a spread thing since i do that in upper diffs too (and prolly taste too)
02:07:459 (2) - Hmmm, I don't know If this really intentional but I find it ugly tbh. I'd make something simplier like a https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817205 (and it's the same idea!) i guess i mad eit better now
04:32:959 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't think I have to tell you that you must remove this for overmapping, I guess. ok - why the fuck is that actually there -.-

My opinion: Actually, this is my favorite difficult, it's picky but at the same time very instuitive. I didn't have much problems modding it.
Lore&Ice's Hard
00:35:413 (1,2,3) - The reason why I pointed this is because of the DS. It's nothing related to the rhythm, it's good. But my reason is that after (1)
comes (2) with a distance of 1/2 notes and even more, it's hardly visible to the players. My suggestion is to adjust (2) and (3) with DS 1,4 (your default one)
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9817356 i think it is ok as it is now ^^
02:41:413 (4) - Minor stuff but this is off from my screen, if you can move it above a little bit did. So is this note 02:44:686 (4) - wait - is it
03:31:186 (3,4) - Minor stuff: Polish this blanket. Disable Grid Snap if needed. nazi

My opinion: Personally, the emphasis of the sliders with the drum is fantastic in general, I mean, it adjust to the gameplay and feels nice when you play it. Congrats

Considering the lowest difficult is a bit picky, you could make a Easy difficult. I understand it takes time but I understand the point of Mo. i dont know if it would be fitting to the song tho - an additional easy would be like a diff consisting out of very easy to read slider art and wouldnt actually add something to the spread what the set need ~ mo's main concern is the lack of quality in the lower diffs what i try to make better ~ ^^
That's all. If you have some question please make me know. Sometimes I don't explain well because of my english but it's part of learning.
Gl

Thanks alot for the critzism and nice words ~ !

Cloudchaser

2,327 posts

Joined May 2012

Cloudchaser 2017-12-21T19:28:23+00:00

The offnotes are at least in my screen that is really really huge xD

Adding an easy was my real opinion though with a Normal is ok as long as it plays as a normal

Maffe

110 posts

Joined August 2014

Maffe 2017-12-24T23:55:50+00:00

top diff

00:33:360 (5,6) - These stand out kinda too much. It fits the pressure nicely but its like no need to space them out this much cuz theres nothing really on those ticks. I suggest something like:

(extra: 01:49:587 (2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - These spacings seem really volatile as in the song is pretty calm overall and you are replicating stuff equal in intensity as much more intense parts of the song.)

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-25T00:26:22+00:00

Applied to both things maffe said

Sakurauchi Riko

1,632 posts

Joined January 2015

Sakurauchi Riko 2017-12-25T00:59:26+00:00

Cloudchaser wrote:
Hello guys! A mod from my really Casual Modding Queue. Modding 3 difficults since it was a condition from my rules

General
All seems in order!
Riko&Phyl's Normal
00:31:322 (2,3,4) - There's a inconsistency with the DS here. Gladly, you only have to adjust the note to the actual DS and done
Since you're following vocals in the beginning 01:50:686 (1,2,3) -, consider changing this pattern of 1 slider and 1 circle 01:55:595 (3) -. How? adjust the length to 01:56:140 - and put a note in the next white tick 01:56:413 -. In my opinion, this would emphasize way much better the rhythm, incluiding the hitsounding. but the song gets really calm here and i want to indicate that with a lower rhythm density
02:00:231 - This part feels awkward when you play it because you expect clicking something, I've told you before that seems you're using sliders to follow vocals. So, how would be it much better? I have two ideas. First of all, 01:59:959 - you can make a 1/2 slider here, or just make a simple circle here 02:00:231 - (First option is much better anyway, consider using that one at least) .
02:46:322 (1,1,1,1) - I have consulted to some friends of mine about this point. We consider that this is very difficult considering that is the lower diff in the mapset. We agreed that adding sliderart would be much better (like in the Advanced), also it will be more instuitive to the newbie players. i really like the concept of the spinners and I rarely see opportunities to take advantage of that. in that case i think the spinners are long enough to score on and are a nice experience for new players (so they keep the map in mind and stuf flike that). whether a bn decides if its okay or not, i will change it then
03:25:595 (1) - This object is off from my screen, it's just a minor problem. Just move it above a little bit!
So is this pattern too 03:26:140 (2,3,4) - both are offscreen in the editor but not when you play the map, even on 4:3 resolution
03:43:595 (3) - I don't like to be Nazi at this point because I understand that sliders are more like an art expression and stuff but, Can you make it symmetrical in this case? the proportion is inconsistent, and I'm sure it would look prettier. If you have problems fixing it, you can adjust it removing the grid snap (that's the secret of many slider art)

My opinion: I am very conformable with the result of this Normal in general. I noticed only general aspect in terms of mapping, not a big deal but not something to ignore at all. Well, I have my doubts. I felt like this a bit picky for newbies, there's a lot of 1/2 considering it's the lower difficult. Nothing else to say, I really liked it. but i dont use any 1/2 rhythms ><. i agree sliderarts are kind of tricky for newbies at some point but a nice experience for them overall :3

-Mo- wrote:
Riko Phyl
- 01:59:959 (3) - Can't remember if this was like this last time, but I think 1/2 slider would work better here to fit the vocal notes. yes
- 02:26:686 (1,3) - This overlap may as well be avoided, kinda sticks out right now. stacked instead

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Cloudchaser

2,327 posts

Joined May 2012

Cloudchaser 2017-12-25T17:13:46+00:00

Sakurauchi Riko wrote:
Cloudchaser wrote:
My opinion: I am very conformable with the result of this Normal in general. I noticed only general aspect in terms of mapping, not a big deal but not something to ignore at all. Well, I have my doubts. I felt like this a bit picky for newbies, there's a lot of 1/2 considering it's the lower difficult. Nothing else to say, I really liked it. but i dont use any 1/2 rhythms ><. i agree sliderarts are kind of tricky for newbies at some point but a nice experience for them overall :3[/list]

In general, this was a nice difficult. In terms of mapping, it's a bit picky because of the BPM but you got nice results. After all, my mod was more my point of view about the diff and not like "must change" stuff.
GL

defiance

503 posts

Joined July 2015

defiance 2017-12-25T19:47:40+00:00

hi m4m

[Normal]
00:05:951 (3) - you could probably make this a reverse to try and match the vocals
00:41:405 (2,1,2) - i would move these more to the right because the movement is kind of awkward for a beginner (basically make it flow out of 1)
01:01:587 (1) - this is not fitting at all, especially for the kiai. rhythm here should be more dense. I would suggest a 2/1 reverse at the start and then a 1/1 slider on 01:01:587 (1) -
01:13:042 (3) - again, i would use a reverse here to match the vocals
02:32:132 (4) - would ctrl + j this, movement here isn't very nice for beginners due to the direction of this slider

i kinda wish the kiai's were a bit more dense, but i think you didn't do that for sr

[Advanced]
00:26:951 (3) - i'd place this a little lower so that the movement to 1 doesn't feel so awkward
01:01:587 (1) - making this slider 3/2 would match
01:06:905 (4,5) - lining these up would be much better, the slight right movement is a bit weird
01:49:860 (3) - really don't understand why you just put slider's over vocal syllables, just make it a reverse
01:52:314 (3) - i really don't understand what you are following here. seems like you are prioritizing making pretty sliders but i think the rhythm should be a 2/1 slider then a circle on 01:52:314 (3) -
02:16:860 (1) - i feel like this slider would be confusing for advanced players, I think you can simplify it because where it goes in and out of itself can be confusing
02:25:042 (4) - slider shape is kinda sharp movement unexpectedly, i would suggest making it smoother
03:45:223 (1) - sounds better if this was 3/2 too
03:57:769 (5) - ds error
03:58:860 (2) - oof you skipped the downbeat here, I would really suggest mapping it

[Hard]
ar 7.5 would be better imo
00:30:224 (5,6,1) - random emphasis in the calmer part doesn't really work and can really throw a player off, i would just stack these
00:43:587 (1,2,3,4) - backwards movement isn't very easy for a hard player and considering that you didn't do it before the same section before, I would try and do something easier :/
02:22:860 (3,4,5) - a bit too much movement here, i would make 3 flow directly into 4
03:41:951 (1,2) - these are not parallel

[Insane]
00:04:042 (5,6) - could be confused for 1/4, i would probably make these jumps. same applies in other places
00:26:405 (1,2) - again, can be confused for 1/4. I would suggest blanketing 2 on 1
03:40:811 (1,1,1,1) - i don't get why you decided to map the vocals here but not on any other parts before the chorus
03:48:905 (2,3) - the emphasis here is really unnecessary because there's nothing in the music that can support it, i would move it closer

this insane is executed very well. nice

[Top diff]
00:12:223 (5,6,1) - kind of backwards emphasis, 5-6 gets more distance than 6-1
00:40:723 (1,1) - this gap looks really difficult to hit, you can emphasize it, but I think it's too much as it is rn
01:14:405 (6,7,1) - this is absolutely brutal due to the linear nature of 7,1. it's fairly similar to the other emphasis in the chorus, I would try to nerf this because it's unnecessarily difficult
02:24:223 (5,6,7) - this arrangement of 3 that you've been doing is good, though this one doesn't really follow any logic and just looks messy considering your previous arrangements

that's all I really have to say. I would focus the most on the advanced.

good luck!

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-26T00:27:43+00:00

osuskrub wrote:
hi m4m

[Advanced]
00:26:951 (3) - i'd place this a little lower so that the movement to 1 doesn't feel so awkward yea
01:01:587 (1) - making this slider 3/2 would match i change this but i dont know if i liked that better b4 or not
01:06:905 (4,5) - lining these up would be much better, the slight right movement is a bit weird yo sir
01:49:860 (3) - really don't understand why you just put slider's over vocal syllables, just make it a reverse imo slider would be just fine since the vocal on 01:50:132 - isnt soo strong compared to 01:47:405 (1,2) - putting a slider here is more fitting for than a reverse idk (subjetive i guess)
01:52:314 (3) - i really don't understand what you are following here. seems like you are prioritizing making pretty sliders but i think the rhythm should be a 2/1 slider then a circle on 01:52:314 (3) - i just wanna have a lower note density here since the part is very calming - mapping the vocals on 01:52:723 - would be too dense for this diff imo - since i made it consistently (01:55:587 (3) - ) i guess you can do this
02:16:860 (1) - i feel like this slider would be confusing for advanced players, I think you can simplify it because where it goes in and out of itself can be confusing i gathered feedback for this slider and most of them were like "its ok" - maybe i gather a bit more
02:25:042 (4) - slider shape is kinda sharp movement unexpectedly, i would suggest making it smoother yea i agree that it comes kinda out of nowhere - change it ~
03:45:223 (1) - sounds better if this was 3/2 too ill change this for now
03:57:769 (5) - ds error uhhm - oups
03:58:860 (2) - oof you skipped the downbeat here, I would really suggest mapping it k

[Hard]
ar 7.5 would be better imo oups - ar 8 is too hard yea, didnt even saw it
00:30:224 (5,6,1) - random emphasis in the calmer part doesn't really work and can really throw a player off, i would just stack these
00:43:587 (1,2,3,4) - backwards movement isn't very easy for a hard player and considering that you didn't do it before the same section before, I would try and do something easier :/ found a solution
02:22:860 (3,4,5) - a bit too much movement here, i would make 3 flow directly into 4 yea i like that idea
03:41:951 (1,2) - these are not parallel made them ^^

[Insane]
00:04:042 (5,6) - could be confused for 1/4, i would probably make these jumps. same applies in other places i like it very much like this since then the downbeat gets emphazised alot (and since that it is consistent it shouldnt be too bad ^^
00:26:405 (1,2) - again, can be confused for 1/4. I would suggest blanketing 2 on 1 oups - for some reasong i thought this was 1/4

this insane is executed very well. nice thanks ^^

[Top diff]
00:12:223 (5,6,1) - kind of backwards emphasis, 5-6 gets more distance than 6-1 i lowered it a bit but since 00:12:360 (6,1) - has a flow break, (1) has automaticly a higher emphasis ^^
00:40:723 (1,1) - this gap looks really difficult to hit, you can emphasize it, but I think it's too much as it is rn ohh i might disagree there - first even thought this was too little emphasis (imo its fine like this)
01:14:405 (6,7,1) - this is absolutely brutal due to the linear nature of 7,1. it's fairly similar to the other emphasis in the chorus, I would try to nerf this because it's unnecessarily difficult since the difficulty was mostly in the angle i reduced it so it easier to hit ~
02:24:223 (5,6,7) - this arrangement of 3 that you've been doing is good, though this one doesn't really follow any logic and just looks messy considering your previous arrangements yea i got tired of it too (changed 02:22:587 (5,6,7) - to something nice/more fitting too ^^)

that's all I really have to say. I would focus the most on the advanced.

good luck!

Thanks alot man

DeletedUser_423548

DeletedUser_423548 2017-12-29T05:42:02+00:00

I think this map is very good

normal

01:25:587 - The sound here is so big that I feel a sense of incongruity at the end of the slider
01:24:769 (2) - Wrap this back 01:25:587 - It might be good to put a circle here
03:20:678 (3) - This slider looks bad
It is not a feeling that represents a song so it might be a little simpler to make it
04:26:951 (4) - I think I can put a 1/1 slider here
Since it becomes the last of the song, I think that it feels good to fill up the rhythm of the object a little

advanced

00:12:496 (4) - Why is not this a 1/1 rhythm?
I think that it is possible to make a return at 1/1
00:28:860 (5) - This may need to be raised a bit more
Image
00:40:314 (1) - 00:43:587 (1,2) - Why is the rhythm different?
01:06:496 (3,4) - Why will not you pick up the sound with a 1/1 rhythm?
02:28:313 (3,4,5) - I think it would be better to unify by either
01:19:587 (6) - Why are you using the 2/1 slider?
This should be the same rhythm here 01:18:769 (3, 4, 5) 02:40:587 (2,3) - 04:02:405 (3,4,5,6,7) - Just like here
03:52:587 (2,3,4) - 01:08:132 (1) - I think that it is easy to unify with the same rhythm as the last kiai because I think the first kiai slider is easy to advanced
04:17:951 (4) - Add NC?

There are already so many excellent modders, so it was not much to mod
Good luck!

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2017-12-29T15:27:16+00:00

Yasaija 714 wrote:
I think this map is very good

advanced
00:12:496 (4) - Why is not this a 1/1 rhythm? i wanted to explain it - then i noticed i cant so i'll just might change that
I think that it is possible to make a return at 1/1
00:28:860 (5) - This may need to be raised a bit more oups - defenetly changed
Image
00:40:314 (1) - 00:43:587 (1,2) - Why is the rhythm different?
01:06:496 (3,4) - Why will not you pick up the sound with a 1/1 rhythm? this was a thing i left on hold since many requested to change this - i guess it is time now :3
02:28:313 (3,4,5) - I think it would be better to unify by either only the second kiai i concentrate more on vocals than on rythm since the vocals are much stronger - thats why i mapped it differently
01:19:587 (6) - Why are you using the 2/1 slider? i have no clue xD
This should be the same rhythm here 01:18:769 (3, 4, 5) 02:40:587 (2,3) - 04:02:405 (3,4,5,6,7) - Just like here in the 2nd kiai i changed the rythm a bit but ill let the reverses since i wanna let the density in the kiai down in coparison with the other 2 ( i explained above)
03:52:587 (2,3,4) - 01:08:132 (1) - I think that it is easy to unify with the same rhythm as the last kiai because I think the first kiai slider is easy to advanced
04:17:951 (4) - Add NC? changed the NC pattern overall in this section~
There are already so many excellent modders, so it was not much to mod
Good luck!

Thank you very much

Chaoslitz

Elite Mapper / Elite Storyboarder

2,325 posts

Joined November 2013

Chaoslitz 2018-01-12T11:41:50+00:00

m4m

[General]

I don't understand why colorhax in diffs are different :v

[Normal]

Why 00:46:587 (4) is mapped but 00:43:314 - isn't?
01:20:951 - the vocal should be mapped like 01:07:860 (4) and 01:17:678 (4) - etc
01:23:678 - I would prefer something clickable to provide a better transition
01:29:405 - ^, doesnt sound good to place sliderend on a downbeat
00:14:132 (5) - should add nc as well if 01:31:042 (1) - is added
02:06:769 - Same as 00:46:587 (4)
02:42:769 - Same as 01:20:951
04:04:587 - ^

[Advanced]

00:40:314 - Missing finish
00:41:951 - i would prefer making this downbeat clickable, you can switch 00:41:405 (3,1) - in timeline
00:44:678 (3,1) - ^ and so on
well rhythm in kiai seems inconsistent for me since sometimes you are mapping the drums 00:59:951 (3,4) but switching follow the vocal 01:01:587 (1,2) (In my opinion vocal shouldn't be skipped even if you are trying to follow drums on the kiai section (i.e. vocal like 01:00:496, 01:07:042 needs to be clickable))
02:07:042 (1,2,3,4) - why rhythm choice suddenly change lol
02:16:860 (1) - you may want to shorten the overlap between those red anchors, to improve the readability for lower diffs
why the whole section 02:59:405 isn't mapped in advance but normal does? this isn't really make sense for me
03:37:042 - at least start the spinner at 03:37:110 and add reverse on 03:36:769 (2) if you want to follow the vocal..

[Hard]

00:14:132 to 00:40:314 - Seriously i think 1.0x is too fast and not suitable at all for this section
00:37:042 (1,2,3,4) - prevent such overlaps in lower diffs
01:53:746 - I think there is no sound in blue ticks?

[Insane]

02:04:178 (1,2,1) - imo the emphasis is too much for 1/4 rhythm lol
03:48:905 (2,3) - 03:50:541 (2,3) - doesn't such large distance imo

[Final Judgment]

01:08:951 (4) -03:56:678 (1) - can curve more to improve the shape
01:09:769 (1) - same
02:07:860 (1,2) - don't think the red anchor is needed lol

sorry im not experienced in timing so i can't confirm if it is accurate enough

stuff mentioned in bold are highly suggested to fix, good luck!

Lanturn

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3,912 posts

Joined March 2012

Lanturn 2018-01-12T18:40:24+00:00

うみねこのなく頃に

General:

00:57:172 - 210 BPM like before your final Kiai? Suits the vocals better here. Also I believe these (210 bpm) should both be in 4/4 though it's not really long enough to matter.

Because of the lack of a storyboard or video. Perhaps turn letterboxing on. All of the breaks are long, so it's a good visual cue to when it's about to resume.

Speaking of a lack of storyboard, consider adding one so we know who mapped which parts. Or at least add something in your description telling us this.

All of your diffs have a useless timing point at the start in one way or the other. For example in Normal, both of these can be deleted.

SPOILER

Sound could be balanced a little better at the spinners around 00:56:678 - in most of your difficulties. Some I would even use 5% (with a soft sampleset) because fade out. If you can, go through them all quickly and check them. The thump sound is a bit loud for the majority of your spinner ends.

Also again with the spinners. The very end 04:32:678 - should use the soft default instead of custom1. The thump noise is too loud here for a fade out spinner

Technically, your first Kiai should end at 01:24:496 - to match the others. If not, the last kiai should be extended to 04:21:223 - to capture the extra bits like the first one does.

Since it seems like you use combo color hax stuff. I've noticed there are a lot of inconsistencies in some places. EX. Your Normal uses different colors for the first kiai, advanced uses the wrong blue at the end, and so on. A little more consistency would be cool, but it isn't a major issue. Maybe apply this at the end of this mod if you remember.

Preview point would probably be better at the start of your first kiai so players don't have to listen to the same 1min loop over and over. There is very little difference between these two spots anyways.

[Normal]

00:37:860 (2,3) - and 00:50:951 (2,3) - Minor DS error here if you care. I thought you were doing this on purpose, but the other half of these are still 1.1.
00:52:860 (5) - & 02:16:314 (5) - Since you've been following the vocals mostly here, how about deleting this slider and adding a circle at 00:53:132 - ?
01:14:678 (1,2) - The music is stronger at 01:15:496 - Maybe map that instead?
SPOILER
02:28:314 (3) - x183 y287 if you care about making the slider end perfect.
02:46:314 (1,1,1) - Like your advanced, You should convert these spinners into some nice sliders. First off, 4 spinners in a row like that can be tiring to new players, plus the amount of time between each spinner start is 1/4 which doesn't allow for any rest. If you don't want to do the sliders, then give the spinners at least 1/2 a note break between end and startup here.
03:59:951 (3) - Overall your map structure has been very beautiful.. but then this happens and it sticks out like a sore thumb since it just feels so lazy with nothing backing it. tbh, anything else would work.
04:16:314 (3) - Same this as above. This isn't as bad, but it could look nicer. How about a wave or something? These long sliders should have more depth to them than just a simple curve!
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Like I mentioned before, beautiful structure accompanied by some nice slider designs. It's honestly nice to see a map in this day and age who has unique sliders rather than just straights and curves.
00:40:314 (1) - These sliders represent the intensity to a T.

[Advanced]

00:40:314 (1) - 00:43:587 (1) - Since you're already introducing 1/2 gaps in this difficulty, you should consider using a bit more in other places. An example here is to extend these by 1/2 so it fully captures the vocals. This will also help make the gap between N/A/H a little smoother. Currently N-A---H ish in terms of density.
00:53:405 (1) - The symmetry here is off by quite a bit. You can drag it to the center to make the symmetry easier (Red node at x256). Move it back afterwards.
SPOILER
01:52:314 (3) - & 01:55:587 (3) - Would probably suit this difficulty more if you reduced the slider by 1/1 and added a circle at 01:56:405 - Plus it captures the vocals nicely.
02:49:587 (1) - First off, Consider removing the first red node so it's a bit smoother. Secondly. Change the CS to around 5.7 and place a circle in the middle of the loop at the top. You should be able to easily adjust your nodes to make a more precise circle here. (Your old CS is 3.5 if you forget. Don't forget to change it back!)
03:12:496 - This is an extremely long break (24 seconds!) Consider starting back up here instead like Hard does.
04:22:041 (2) - Control+H Control+> and maybe move it up a little bit to x184 y108. It gets the tail away from the previous circle.
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Lots of unique sliders is a + in my book. Keeps the map fresh throughout the whole 4 mins.
02:16:860 (1) - This one is nice.

[Hard]
- All your notes from around 03:43:588 (1) - to 04:02:406 (1) - are unsnapped by 1ms.
- 00:01:451 (2) - to 00:12:496 (1) - All of this inherited timing is off.
- It's a bit strange when only the hard uses 3/4 sliders for the kiai sections. anyways, for these 3/4 sliders, consider lowering the volume on the ends quite a bit.
- Pretty much all of your NCs are inconsistent in this diff. There are times when you NC every measure, every 2 measures.. heck, every 4 measures lol. I Recommend going through this (maybe after the mods so the timestamps and such are correct)
- The middle and ending of each Kiai has an extremely long series of 1/2 gaps. I would recommend adding a few 1/1 gaps here and there to break up the strain here. This will also help balance the N/A/H gaps I was mentioning in advanced.

00:35:405 (1) - I'm not really a fan of all this overlap from the slider here. It just makes it feel more jumbled up than anything. I would personally send the tail off to the left instead. The other option is to Control+H 00:36:223 (2,3,4,1) - (and whatever after needs to be adjusted)
00:44:951 (1) - Avoid being linear and do like do did at 00:41:678 (1,2) - where (1) was its own thing and the next notes were beside it, not in the path. This helps with the sudden momentum change.
00:45:769 (1) - If this was consistent with the previous pattern. This should be attached to the previous combo. The strong jump sound is at 00:46:042 (1) -
00:57:155 (1) - If you did the timing mentioned above. Use 2 1/1 sliders here like before the last Kiai?
01:52:042 (3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - Maybe nerf this some? It's actually more dense than the Insane.
02:05:132 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - and 02:08:405 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - I'm a little sad you didn't map this like the part before the first Kiai.
02:14:132 (2) - and 02:16:314 (2) - There really isn't any background sound supporting these
02:19:587 (3) - Try x104 y132 to make the distances between 02:19:042 (2,3,1) - a little more even and they notes will flow into each other a little nicer here.
02:20:132 (1,2,3,4) - This first half of the kiai feels a bit unpolished. More rushed than anything. 02:25:041 (1,2) - These overlaps, 02:26:678 (1,2) - (2) should be rotated more and moved upwards so they flow together a bit nicer instead of the Jagged sharp turn once hit. Just all these little things add up. A little bit of TLC would do this nicely.
03:12:496 (1) - to 03:25:587 (1) - Maybe lighten this up on Hard? Right now Hard has the most density compared to Insane and Judgement. 03:17:269 (3) - Could be deleted, and a lot of the 1/2 sliders would be just fine as a single circle.
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02:49:587 (1) - this slider <3
00:37:042 (1,2,3,4) - While I don't believe covering the heads in Hard is something you should be doing, I do actually like the design here for this.

[Insane]

00:57:223 - with the new timing, consider mapping this like you did with the last kiai.
01:04:314 (2,3) - and 01:17:405 (2,3) - This part shouldn't need this much emphasis. While there are slightly stronger instruments here, it gets drowned out with the lack of vocals, making it feel more relaxed imo. I would probably use at most 2.5 here instead of 3+ Also you probably want the strongest jump leading in to the upcoming (1)
01:18:769 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Not only is this a huge jump from (3,1) but the patterns are slightly different here (Second one has jumps to each note, while the first one doesn't). not sure if you did this on purpose, but the second pattern is probably what you want the first pattern to be. Also you should probably move them a little more closer to each other.
02:04:178 (1,2) - A little overkill here imo for 3/4 sliders. If you want to emphasize with the jumps, then maybe nerf the 3/4 some, or vice versa. Having both really spikes up the difficulty on this part.
03:50:541 (2,3) - Jump is a bit much here. You want to focus to be on the upcoming 03:50:678 (3,1,2,3) - pattern, so some buildup into it would be better. Try moving 03:50:541 (2) - to 03:49:041 (3) - 's head or something a little closer. I guess this also applies to 03:48:905 (2) -
04:05:405 (3) - This slider here is pretty awkwardly placed for me. One thing you can do to alleviate this is by stacking the (2) under the (1)'s tail like 04:04:041 (1,2) - does so it gives more freedom to the (3) rather then being placed where it is. Try moving the (3) upwards so it somewhat mirrors 04:04:041 (1,2,3) - in idea.
04:07:314 (1,2,3) - The emphasis here is a lot different from the other two kiai which go somewhat relaxing.
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00:01:860 (3,4,5) - I like the use of all of these throughout the diff.
04:08:132 (1) - This whole ending section. Has good emphasis, and stays true to the song.
Slider shapes have that good balance of somewhat random, but fitting. My favorite being the simple 01:08:132 (1) -

[Final Judgment]
- Middle kiai at 02:20:132 - is missing on this diff. I would understand if it was a GDer who decided this, but it's your map. Kiai should be somewhat similar in all of your own diffs, and this being the only one doesn't really make sense. I highly recommend you add it here.

00:31:314 (1,2,3) - I like this, but it does feel a bit clustered. Try giving this a bit more room so it's more like 2/3 of the tail covered instead of over 3/4.
01:05:405 (3,4,5,6) - These feel somewhat randomly placed. A little more consistency in the shape or placement would work nicely here. If you aren't concerned about the shapes, then move the (6) to x286 y355 for DS, and the closest it can be to a proper curve.
SPOILER
01:24:223 (1,2,1) - Should probably be emphasised more on the (2,1) or about even imo. The strongest hit is 01:24:495 (1) -
01:45:223 (2) - To follow your emphasis on the downbeats and Time-distance preference here. The (2) should be quite a bit closer to the (1). Having the previous (4) closer to the (1) than then (2) goes against this.
02:01:042 (2,4) - With the strong vocals, it would probably suit this pattern if (2,4) were a little further from the 02:00:496 (1,3) -
03:12:496 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - I would even the distances on these out a little more. The sounds are essentially the same here. It would fit with the other upcoming patterns.
04:01:041 (5) - Make symmetry with the previous sliders here? This will also flow much better as well.
SPOILER
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00:39:496 (2,1,1) - Very nice design on these, and the blanket is well done.
02:38:132 (1,3) - I love this one.
03:12:496 (1) - This whole section is really nice as well. Great job here.

Well. All I can say is sorry this took so long. Work and Sickness killed me for a few days and I think I may have taken a bit too much time on this. Regardless of the block of text, I really like this set. It can use a little bit more work to perfect it, but I'd really like to see this pushed forward someday. Keep up the good work

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2018-01-13T17:57:11+00:00

(note - i will fix the advance later this week - i will answer it then ^^)
Hi chaos+Laturn~)

Chaoslitz wrote:
m4m

[General]
I don't understand why colorhax in diffs are different :v uhh yea they are kinda different in per se but not really in its style - its just personal that i kinda want them different and special for every difficult - when its a problem that i do so then tell me that ^^

[Hard]
00:14:132 to 00:40:314 - Seriously i think 1.0x is too fast and not suitable at all for this section i agree - decreased ds to .85 to 00:33:769 -
00:37:042 (1,2,3,4) - prevent such overlaps in lower diffs since both requested i make the overlap more visible
01:53:746 - I think there is no sound in blue ticks? yea kinda

[Final Judgment]
01:08:951 (4) -03:56:678 (1) - can curve more to improve the shape did
01:09:769 (1) - same
02:07:860 (1,2) - don't think the red anchor is needed lol i mean yea they are not needed but i want this small visual thing since they should be visual simular to theese with its red anchors 02:07:042 (1,1) -

sorry im not experienced in timing so i can't confirm if it is accurate enough idk who to ask tho
stuff mentioned in bold are highly suggested to fix, good luck!

Thanks alot

Lanturn wrote:
うみねこのなく頃に

General:

00:57:172 - 210 BPM like before your final Kiai? Suits the vocals better here. Also I believe these (210 bpm) should both be in 4/4 though it's not really long enough to matter. idk how to procede with this w/ timing tho - need to find one who dies timing checks

Because of the lack of a storyboard or video. Perhaps turn letterboxing on. All of the breaks are long, so it's a good visual cue to when it's about to resume.
k~

Speaking of a lack of storyboard, consider adding one so we know who mapped which parts. Or at least add something in your description telling us this.
i guess i will it put in the description then

All of your diffs have a useless timing point at the start in one way or the other. For example in Normal, both of these can be deleted.
SPOILER
oups - foxed all of theese

Sound could be balanced a little better at the spinners around 00:56:678 - in most of your difficulties. Some I would even use 5% (with a soft sampleset) because fade out. If you can, go through them all quickly and check them. The thump sound is a bit loud for the majority of your spinner ends. fixed theese

Also again with the spinners. The very end 04:32:678 - should use the soft default instead of custom1. The thump noise is too loud here for a fade out spinnerfixed

Technically, your first Kiai should end at 01:24:496 - to match the others. If not, the last kiai should be extended to 04:21:223 - to capture the extra bits like the first one does. did

Since it seems like you use combo color hax stuff. I've noticed there are a lot of inconsistencies in some places. EX. Your Normal uses different colors for the first kiai, advanced uses the wrong blue at the end, and so on. A little more consistency would be cool, but it isn't a major issue. Maybe apply this at the end of this mod if you remember.look to chaos (but still the bright blue at the adv is a mistake xD)

Preview point would probably be better at the start of your first kiai so players don't have to listen to the same 1min loop over and over. There is very little difference between these two spots anyways. fixed it ^^

[Hard]
- All your notes from around 03:43:588 (1) - to 04:02:406 (1) - are unsnapped by 1ms. why even -.-
- 00:01:451 (2) - to 00:12:496 (1) - All of this inherited timing is off. what the fuck is wrong with this game
- It's a bit strange when only the hard uses 3/4 sliders for the kiai sections. anyways, for these 3/4 sliders, consider lowering the volume on the ends quite a bit.
- Pretty much all of your NCs are inconsistent in this diff. There are times when you NC every measure, every 2 measures.. heck, every 4 measures lol. I Recommend going through this (maybe after the mods so the timestamps and such are correct) i will check the other day since not enough time atm
- The middle and ending of each Kiai has an extremely long series of 1/2 gaps. I would recommend adding a few 1/1 gaps here and there to break up the strain here. This will also help balance the N/A/H gaps I was mentioning in advanced. i know what you mean but i think its ok how it is atm since theese parts are also the most intense ones
00:35:405 (1) - I'm not really a fan of all this overlap from the slider here. It just makes it feel more jumbled up than anything. I would personally send the tail off to the left instead. The other option is to Control+H 00:36:223 (2,3,4,1) - (and whatever after needs to be adjusted) i wasnt a big fan either tbh - changed whole pattern in this part
00:44:951 (1) - Avoid being linear and do like do did at 00:41:678 (1,2) - where (1) was its own thing and the next notes were beside it, not in the path. This helps with the sudden momentum change. good catch
00:45:769 (1) - If this was consistent with the previous pattern. This should be attached to the previous combo. The strong jump sound is at 00:46:042 (1) - i dont think it should be consistend here since im concentrating here on the voice instead of rythm
00:57:155 (1) - If you did the timing mentioned above. Use 2 1/1 sliders here like before the last Kiai? i cant fix this rn since i will rework timing anyway if possible
01:52:042 (3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - Maybe nerf this some? It's actually more dense than the Insane. nerfed
02:05:132 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - and 02:08:405 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - I'm a little sad you didn't map this like the part before the first Kiai. i guess since it is a collab not everything can be the same :/
02:19:587 (3) - Try x104 y132 to make the distances between 02:19:042 (2,3,1) - a little more even and they notes will flow into each other a little nicer here. yea why not
02:20:132 (1,2,3,4) - This first half of the kiai feels a bit unpolished. More rushed than anything. 02:25:041 (1,2) - These overlaps, 02:26:678 (1,2) - (2) should be rotated more and moved upwards so they flow together a bit nicer instead of the Jagged sharp turn once hit. Just all these little things add up. A little bit of TLC would do this nicely.
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02:49:587 (1) - this slider <3
00:37:042 (1,2,3,4) - While I don't believe covering the heads in Hard is something you should be doing, I do actually like the design here for this.
everything from insane is rio's ^^

[Final Judgment]
- Middle kiai at 02:20:132 - is missing on this diff. I would understand if it was a GDer who decided this, but it's your map. Kiai should be somewhat similar in all of your own diffs, and this being the only one doesn't really make sense. I highly recommend you add it here. it more like i should deleat in in the rest since i mapped it weaker in all diffs (tho in this diff its the most difference)
00:31:314 (1,2,3) - I like this, but it does feel a bit clustered. Try giving this a bit more room so it's more like 2/3 of the tail covered instead of over 3/4. ok ^^

(ok time is up i will go further the next days ^^)
01:05:405 (3,4,5,6) - These feel somewhat randomly placed. A little more consistency in the shape or placement would work nicely here. If you aren't concerned about the shapes, then move the (6) to x286 y355 for DS, and the closest it can be to a proper curve.
SPOILER
01:24:223 (1,2,1) - Should probably be emphasised more on the (2,1) or about even imo. The strongest hit is 01:24:495 (1) -
01:45:223 (2) - To follow your emphasis on the downbeats and Time-distance preference here. The (2) should be quite a bit closer to the (1). Having the previous (4) closer to the (1) than then (2) goes against this.
02:01:042 (2,4) - With the strong vocals, it would probably suit this pattern if (2,4) were a little further from the 02:00:496 (1,3) -
03:12:496 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - I would even the distances on these out a little more. The sounds are essentially the same here. It would fit with the other upcoming patterns.
04:01:041 (5) - Make symmetry with the previous sliders here? This will also flow much better as well.
SPOILER
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00:39:496 (2,1,1) - Very nice design on these, and the blanket is well done.
02:38:132 (1,3) - I love this one.
03:12:496 (1) - This whole section is really nice as well. Great job here.
Well. All I can say is sorry this took so long. Work and Sickness killed me for a few days and I think I may have taken a bit too much time on this. Regardless of the block of text, I really like this set. It can use a little bit more work to perfect it, but I'd really like to see this pushed forward someday. Keep up the good work

t for the mod

Sakurauchi Riko

1,632 posts

Joined January 2015

Sakurauchi Riko 2018-01-24T18:08:43+00:00

osuskrub wrote:
hi m4m

[Normal]
00:05:951 (3) - you could probably make this a reverse to try and match the vocals too dense for the intro imo
00:41:405 (2,1,2) - i would move these more to the right because the movement is kind of awkward for a beginner (basically make it flow out of 1) i dont think this is necessary, it flows in a straight line with a wide angle into curved slider which is very pleasant
01:01:587 (1) - this is not fitting at all, especially for the kiai. rhythm here should be more dense. I would suggest a 2/1 reverse at the start and then a 1/1 slider on 01:01:587 (1) - follows the vocals just fine
01:13:042 (3) - again, i would use a reverse here to match the vocals 1/1 reverse too harsh
02:32:132 (4) - would ctrl + j this, movement here isn't very nice for beginners due to the direction of this slider will keep because its more visually appealing. slider leniency abuse makes it not that awkward as you might think

i kinda wish the kiai's were a bit more dense, but i think you didn't do that for sr yes mostly, i try to map most important vocals, its high bpm so hard to get dense rhythm without exceeding 2*

Yasaija 714 wrote:
I think this map is very good

normal
01:25:587 - The sound here is so big that I feel a sense of incongruity at the end of the slider but its the only way to map all of the 3 1/1 sounds without being too dense in rhythm, so i have to make it like this >.>
01:24:769 (2) - Wrap this back 01:25:587 - It might be good to put a circle here
03:20:678 (3) - This slider looks bad i agree lol
It is not a feeling that represents a song so it might be a little simpler to make it
04:26:951 (4) - I think I can put a 1/1 slider here oki
Since it becomes the last of the song, I think that it feels good to fill up the rhythm of the object a little

Chaoslitz wrote:
m4m

[notice][General]
I don't understand why colorhax in diffs are different :v
[Normal]
Why 00:46:587 (4) is mapped but 00:43:314 - isn't? i want 00:43:587 (1) - to really stand out with a huge gap because its very special. the other spot the downbeat isnt that special so i wanna have that kind of emphasis seperation
01:20:951 - the vocal should be mapped like 01:07:860 (4) and 01:17:678 (4) - etc
01:23:678 - I would prefer something clickable to provide a better transition
01:29:405 - ^, doesnt sound good to place sliderend on a downbeat but with 1/1 slider into circle into slider i think it would be too dense. i think its ok because its not beginning of a new section like the thin you mentioned before
00:14:132 (5) - should add nc as well if 01:31:042 (1) - is added
02:06:769 - Same as 00:46:587 (4)
02:42:769 - Same as 01:20:951
04:04:587 - ^

Lanturn wrote:
うみねこのなく頃に

[Normal]
00:37:860 (2,3) - and 00:50:951 (2,3) - Minor DS error here if you care. I thought you were doing this on purpose, but the other half of these are still 1.1.
00:52:860 (5) - & 02:16:314 (5) - Since you've been following the vocals mostly here, how about deleting this slider and adding a circle at 00:53:132 - ? neat thing
01:14:678 (1,2) - The music is stronger at 01:15:496 - Maybe map that instead? i wanna focus more on vocals cuz its easier to understand for newbies
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02:28:314 (3) - x183 y287 if you care about making the slider end perfect.
02:46:314 (1,1,1) - Like your advanced, You should convert these spinners into some nice sliders. First off, 4 spinners in a row like that can be tiring to new players, plus the amount of time between each spinner start is 1/4 which doesn't allow for any rest. If you don't want to do the sliders, then give the spinners at least 1/2 a note break between end and startup here. the gap between the spinner doesnt really matter. however, i think s smaller gap is better to make the player keep spinning instead of pausing and potentially get 100 cuz of that. why i put these i alr explained somewhere
03:59:951 (3) - Overall your map structure has been very beautiful.. but then this happens and it sticks out like a sore thumb since it just feels so lazy with nothing backing it. tbh, anything else would work. yeah i agree lol, really sticks out here
04:16:314 (3) - Same this as above. This isn't as bad, but it could look nicer. How about a wave or something? These long sliders should have more depth to them than just a simple curve! here i actually did it intentional because the long holding vocal sounds fit better with also a long simple slider instead of tricky multi-curves
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Like I mentioned before, beautiful structure accompanied by some nice slider designs. It's honestly nice to see a map in this day and age who has unique sliders rather than just straights and curves. wow thank you c:
00:40:314 (1) - These sliders represent the intensity to a T.

thank you all for mods, unmentioned has been changed or reply was alr given in the post

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Title:Katayoku no Tori
TitleUnicode:片翼の鳥
Artist:Shikata Akiko
ArtistUnicode:志方あきこ
Creator:IceKalt
Version:Riko & Phyl's Normal
Source:うみねこのなく頃に
Tags:japanese blue 古戸 ヱリカ furudo erika umineko no naku koro ni sakurauchi riko phyloukz imoutosan fushimi_rio loreley my_angel_kanan
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Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2018-01-28T15:12:05+00:00

Cleaning the Advance mods now ^^ (since i reworked the kiais)

Chaoslitz wrote:
[Advanced][list]
[*]00:40:314 - Missing finish fixed
[*]00:41:951 - i would prefer making this downbeat clickable, you can switch 00:41:405 (3,1) - in timeline
[*]00:44:678 (3,1) - ^ and so on fixed em'
[*]well rhythm in kiai seems inconsistent for me since sometimes you are mapping the drums 00:59:951 (3,4) but switching follow the vocal 01:01:587 (1,2) (In my opinion vocal shouldn't be skipped even if you are trying to follow drums on the kiai section (i.e. vocal like 01:00:496, 01:07:042 needs to be clickable)) i remapped whole kiai w/ namki, should be better now
[*]02:07:042 (1,2,3,4) - why rhythm choice suddenly change lol
[*]02:16:860 (1) - you may want to shorten the overlap between those red anchors, to improve the readability for lower diffs imo the slider should be good for advanced, exspecially since i introduced sliderarts in normal too
[*]why the whole section 02:59:405 isn't mapped in advance but normal does? this isn't really make sense for mei mappedthe half of that part too now (imo its not really a problem that the gder has now 4 secs more or less drain) since i mapped that part now
[*]03:37:042 - at least start the spinner at 03:37:110 and add reverse on 03:36:769 (2) if you want to follow the vocal..k ^^

[quote=Lanturn]
[Advanced]

00:40:314 (1) - 00:43:587 (1) - Since you're already introducing 1/2 gaps in this difficulty, you should consider using a bit more in other places. An example here is to extend these by 1/2 so it fully captures the vocals. This will also help make the gap between N/A/H a little smoother. Currently N-A---H ish in terms of density.
00:53:405 (1) - The symmetry here is off by quite a bit. You can drag it to the center to make the symmetry easier (Red node at x256). Move it back afterwards. oups, yea
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01:52:314 (3) - & 01:55:587 (3) - Would probably suit this difficulty more if you reduced the slider by 1/1 and added a circle at 01:56:405 - Plus it captures the vocals nicely.
02:49:587 (1) - First off, Consider removing the first red node so it's a bit smoother. Secondly. Change the CS to around 5.7 and place a circle in the middle of the loop at the top. You should be able to easily adjust your nodes to make a more precise circle here. (Your old CS is 3.5 if you forget. Don't forget to change it back!) thanks for the tip!
03:12:496 - This is an extremely long break (24 seconds!) Consider starting back up here instead like Hard does.did already in the remake
04:22:041 (2) - Control+H Control+> and maybe move it up a little bit to x184 y108. It gets the tail away from the previous circle.did ^^
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Lots of unique sliders is a + in my book. Keeps the map fresh throughout the whole 4 mins.
02:16:860 (1) - This one is nice.[/quote]

Thanks Guys again!

Kensuke

1,856 posts

Joined April 2014

Kensuke 2018-01-31T13:59:11+00:00

m4m

[General]

There is no need for "my_angel_kanan" to be in tags.
After I looked for the lyrics of this song, I noticed that there are some lyrics that are Italian. So you should add "italian" in tags too since you've add japanese in tags.
Since I saw the other GDers' name in tags (like fushimi_rio), I think it might be needed to add underscore between sakurauchi riko so it could not being confused with sakurauchi riko which mappers had added in Aqours' map.

[Riko & Phyl's Normal]

Widescreen support is being ticked.
Try to increase the stack leniency to something like 6-7 for new players to read easily.
00:35:405 (4,5) - After I looked at these hitobjects, I think you're trying to make the slider 00:36:223 (5) - be blanketed to the slider tail 00:35:405 (4) -, but it doesn't seem like to be a blanket. So if you wish to make these sliders blanket each other, you could make them blanket perfectly.
02:26:678 (1,3) - I think what you're trying to do here is to make the slider tail 02:28:314 (3) - perfectly stacked with the slider head 02:26:678 (1) -, but it doesn't perfectly stacked. You might move the slider 02:28:314 (3) - to x:183 y:287 for a aesthetically pleasant looking here.
02:46:314 (1,1,1,1) - In my perspective I think using consecutive spinners could make an unfair problems for newbie players. Because after the first slider, newbie players' intuition is that after the spinner, it is a break. (as most of the maps are) But because of consecutive spinners, newbie players will have to readjust the pattern and move their cursors to spin again and again, which players could instead receive 100s instead of 300s. I'd recommend to make a long spinner instead to avoid unfair problem for newbie players. Just spin the spinner once and take a break looks more understandable than using consecutive spinners.
03:41:951 (1) - It might be better if you make the slider tail directs toward the following hitcircle like this so the movement here will look nicer.
03:45:223 (1) - It is too high! owo Some skins might have health point bar overlapped this slider. So I think lowering this slider down could be better.

[Namki & Ice's Advanced]

Widescreen support is being ticked.
Try to increase the stack leniency to something like 6-7 for new players to read easily.
00:10:860 (1,4) - The slider 00:10:860 (1) - hasn't fully disappeared while the slider 00:12:496 (4) - is appearing, causing that the slider 00:10:860 (1) - overlaps the slider 00:12:496 (4) - which is pretty difficult for players to play since the slider 00:10:860 (1) - has fully overlapped the slider body of 00:12:496 (4) -. Move the slider 00:12:496 (4) - away from the slider 00:10:860 (1) - so it will not make the players having unfair reading problem.
00:44:678 (3,1,2,3) - The instrumental and vocal rhythm here is totally the same as 00:41:405 (3,1,2,3) - but why they are mapped so differently? Consider making them the same for consistency.
00:59:951 (3,4) - The previous hitobjects had been followed the vocals along, but these hitobjects are followed the instrumentals. This transition could make players become confused which sound to follow with, so they'd be better to follow the vocals as the previous hitobjects had been followed. As same as 01:13:042 (3,4) -.
01:14:678 (1,2) - Isn't this part have exactly the same rhythm as 01:01:587 (1,2) -? Why they are mapped too differently?
01:45:769 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - These consecutive circles with 1/1 gap is too consecutive! Try to avoid it because too many consecutive hit objects overlapping can be confusing for newbie players.
02:49:587 (1) - This slider has touched the health point bar. This could cause unfair reading challenge for newbie players, so try to lower the slider down.
03:44:951 (6,1) - This overlap makes me triggered. xP
04:07:996 (2) - I'm pretty sure that there is literally no sound here. If there is no reason behind this note, could you simply delete this hitobject?

I'm gonna mod later. lwl

Namki

1,281 posts

Joined November 2014

Namki 2018-01-31T14:11:40+00:00

fxd, okay

owo

osu file format v14

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and I can hear vocals here 04:07:996 (2) -

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2018-01-31T15:38:34+00:00

- Frontier - wrote:
m4m

[General]
There is no need for "my_angel_kanan" to be in tags.
After I looked for the lyrics of this song, I noticed that there are some lyrics that are Italian. So you should add "italian" in tags too since you've add japanese in tags.
Since I saw the other GDers' name in tags (like fushimi_rio), I think it might be needed to add underscore between sakurauchi riko so it could not being confused with sakurauchi riko which mappers had added in Aqours' map. fixed all tags problems (and i forgot to add "namki" oups) (removed all the widescreen support ^^)

[Namki & Ice's Advanced]
Widescreen support is being ticked.
Try to increase the stack leniency to something like 6-7 for new players to read easily.
00:10:860 (1,4) - The slider 00:10:860 (1) - hasn't fully disappeared while the slider 00:12:496 (4) - is appearing, causing that the slider 00:10:860 (1) - overlaps the slider 00:12:496 (4) - which is pretty difficult for players to play since the slider 00:10:860 (1) - has fully overlapped the slider body of 00:12:496 (4) -. Move the slider 00:12:496 (4) - away from the slider 00:10:860 (1) - so it will not make the players having unfair reading problem. used another silder there ^^
00:44:678 (3,1,2,3) - The instrumental and vocal rhythm here is totally the same as 00:41:405 (3,1,2,3) - but why they are mapped so differently? Consider making them the same for consistency. oups, this is a mistake from answering my previous mod ~
01:45:769 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - These consecutive circles with 1/1 gap is too consecutive! Try to avoid it because too many consecutive hit objects overlapping can be confusing for newbie players. made it easier to read
02:49:587 (1) - This slider has touched the health point bar. This could cause unfair reading challenge for newbie players, so try to lower the slider down.oki

I'm gonna mod later. lwl

Thanks man!

Kensuke

1,856 posts

Joined April 2014

Kensuke 2018-02-01T13:59:23+00:00

2

[Lore & Ice's Hard]

00:10:860 (1,2) - So the visual spacing here is pretty huge compared to the previous parts which have the same sliders, the spacing here and 00:07:587 (1,2) - is pretty huge in terms of distance spacing, but in gameplay you would feel that the part 00:10:860 (1,2) - looks bigger than 00:07:587 (1,2) -. So try to make 00:10:860 (1,2) - become closer please.
00:17:814 - Since there is a vocal sound at here, I think you shouldn't skip this part because the players might misunderstand that the slider ends at here. I'd recommend you to make like this, to emphasize the vocals better.
00:30:224 (5,6,1) - So the hitobjects' placement here could make the players being confused because they didn't place adhere the distance snap. Players could easily understand that these hitobjects are placed with 1/4 beat gaps, appeared getting 100s or misses here. So I'd recommend to make these hitobjects being placed followed the distance snap, so players will understand easier and avoiding for unfair reading challenge.
00:37:042 (1,2,3) - I think these could be better. Players could be confused easily because the slider heads are overlapped by the slider bodies, appearing that players could hardly find the slider head. Making normal thing would be better here.
00:53:405 (4) - I'd recommend adding new combo here since this spot is pretty dominant, you've already use the higher spacing but I think it is not enough to indicate players the dominant sound. So adding new combo here could emphasize the intense sound better.
00:59:678 (5,1) - Maybe try to move the slider 00:59:951 (1) - higher to make the slider head 00:59:678 (5) - overlaps only the slider body of 00:59:951 (1) - instead. It will give better aesthetically pleasant looking here rather than the slider head 00:59:678 (5) - overlaps to the slider tail 00:59:951 (1) -.
01:01:042 (3,1) - And try to move the slider tail 01:01:587 (1) - away from the slider tail 01:01:042 (3) - to avoid overlapping each other, give nice looking aesthetics here.
01:03:155 - I think you are intend to make the green line here have 5% volume to make the slider tail 01:02:951 (2) - here become inaudible, but it is 50% volume here. So you might consider changing the volume in this green line become 5% to make the slider tail of 01:02:951 (2) - become inaudible. Also change the sample set at the slider tail to Normal since using Soft sample set in 5% volume green line, we could still hear the slider tail sound. But if we use Normal sample set here, the slider tail's sound will become completely inaudible. (Thanks Naxess for trick.) Also applied for 01:16:246 - and the rest thorough the difficulty.
01:04:042 (1) - I think there is no necessary to add a new combo here since there is no distinct sound for adding new combo here.
01:23:678 (1,2) - This is questionable since the previous objects are being colourhaxed in blue and red colours, but these hitobjects are pink. If it's a mistake, you might change them.
01:29:473 (1,1) - Players could miss the hitcircle 01:31:042 (1) - because after the spinner 01:29:473 (1) -, players might need time to readjust the following hitobjects. So I'd recommend extending the slider to 01:31:042 - so it will be easier for players to follow.
01:55:587 (1,1) - The slider 01:56:405 (1) - is appearing while 01:55:587 (1) - hasn't fully disappeared, appearing that these hitobjects are overlapped each other. It could cause an unfair reading problem to players so I'd recommend moving the slider 01:55:587 (1) - away from the slider 01:56:405 (1) -. If I ere you, I'd change to somewhere like this to make nice aesthetically pleasant looking.
02:10:042 (3) - So I had tried listening to this part again and again and I noticed that there is totally no 1/4 sound at here! In fact, there is just a little sound at 02:10:178 -. So it'd be better to change the slider here to 1/2 beat slider or you could make 2 circles with 1/2 beat gap here.
02:25:041 (1,2) - Because of the overlapping of these sliders, players could have a problem in seeing the reverses since the slider tail 02:25:041 (1) - is overlapping the slider tail 02:25:860 (2) -. You might move the slider away to avoid having an unfair reading challenge for players.

[Rio & Ice's Insane]

00:33:769 (1) - I think making something like this instead will represent the vocals better.
01:09:769 (1) - This is questionable since the previous objects are being colourhaxed in blue and red colours, but these hitobjects are pink. If it's a mistake, you might change them.
01:20:951 (3,4) - The hitcircle 01:21:155 (4) - is pretty hard to see because it's mostly overlapped by the slider body 01:20:951 (3) -. Try to move it away to make it clearer to see.
01:30:223 (5) - Might adding this a new combo for a transition from 1/2 beat gap to 1/1 beat gap.
01:54:769 (1,1,1) - There is no necessary to add nc on every sliders here. It is too frequent and looks unnecessary.
02:46:314 (1,1) - The slider 02:47:951 (1) - is appearing while 02:46:314 (1) - hasn't fully disappeared, appearing that these hitobjects are overlapped each other, which cause an unpleasant aesthetics and it is pretty hard to see the slider head 02:47:951 (1) - because the slider body 02:46:314 (1) - is overlapping it. So try to move it away for players to read the hitobjects here easily.
02:59:405 to 03:25:587 - Every difficulties put a break in this part, but this difficulty instead maps here, which causes inconsistency between map. I'd highly recommend deleting this part and instead put a break as how the other difficulties did.
03:50:541 (2,3) - The jump here is unreasonably too high! It is an unjustified difficulty spike. Try not to stack the hitcircle 03:50:541 (2) - in the slider tail 03:50:132 (1) - and try to move further.
04:07:859 (3) - Try to nerf the jump here. This might considered the biggest jump in the map. Even the song in this part here has the most intense than the previous parts but this high jump shouldn't be done!

[Final Judgment]

00:17:814 (2,3) - Better to crtl+g these for better flow
00:26:405 (1,1,1) - The spacing between these hitobjects are pretty big. Players could misunderstand that these hitobjects have 1/4 beat gap, appear that players will get 100s or misses here. Try to make them closer to avoid an unfair reading challenge.
00:30:223 (5) - crtl+g will flow better tbh
00:49:314 (2,3,4) - Will be better to make the spacing here equally.
01:06:496 (1,3) - Because of the slider body 01:06:496 (1) - overlaps the slider tail 01:07:042 (3) -, players could easily unable to see the slider tail 01:07:042 (3) -, so try to move the slider 01:07:042 (3) - further to avoid overlapping and having an unfair reading challenge.
01:20:405 (5) - Might add a new combo here because different section (e idk how to call it) Applied for 04:04:041 (5) - too.
02:20:132 to 02:46:314 - no kiai?
02:21:223 (4,5) - Overlap looks pretty bad, try to move further.

In my perspective I think the second kiai has less density than the other kiai parts. In that part has shorter spacing than the other parts/ So try to make the spacing better for consistency.

So after you'd replied mod, please poke me back. I'll check once again (especially about top difficulty) and about hitsound consistency.

tatemae

847 posts

Joined November 2014

tatemae 2018-02-01T14:55:23+00:00

- Frontier - wrote:
2

[notice][Lore & Ice's Hard]
00:59:678 (5,1) - Maybe try to move the slider 00:59:951 (1) - higher to make the slider head 00:59:678 (5) - overlaps only the slider body of 00:59:951 (1) - instead. It will give better aesthetically pleasant looking here rather than the slider head 00:59:678 (5) - overlaps to the slider tail 00:59:951 (1) -. I have make it only for flow >.>
01:01:042 (3,1) - And try to move the slider tail 01:01:587 (1) - away from the slider tail 01:01:042 (3) - to avoid overlapping each other, give nice looking aesthetics here. ok
01:03:155 - I think you are intend to make the green line here have 5% volume to make the slider tail 01:02:951 (2) - here become inaudible, but it is 50% volume here. So you might consider changing the volume in this green line become 5% to make the slider tail of 01:02:951 (2) - become inaudible. Also change the sample set at the slider tail to Normal since using Soft sample set in 5% volume green line, we could still hear the slider tail sound. But if we use Normal sample set here, the slider tail's sound will become completely inaudible. (Thanks Naxess for trick.) Also applied for 01:16:246 - and the rest thorough the difficulty. ok
01:04:042 (1) - I think there is no necessary to add a new combo here since there is no distinct sound for adding new combo here. nc for effect of an aesthetics
01:29:473 (1,1) - Players could miss the hitcircle 01:31:042 (1) - because after the spinner 01:29:473 (1) -, players might need time to readjust the following hitobjects. So I'd recommend extending the slider to 01:31:042 - so it will be easier for players to follow. circle in the center, it is difficult to miss
01:55:587 (1,1) - The slider 01:56:405 (1) - is appearing while 01:55:587 (1) - hasn't fully disappeared, appearing that these hitobjects are overlapped each other. It could cause an unfair reading problem to players so I'd recommend moving the slider 01:55:587 (1) - away from the slider 01:56:405 (1) -. If I ere you, I'd change to somewhere like this to make nice aesthetically pleasant looking. it is perfectly played intuitively
02:10:042 (3) - So I had tried listening to this part again and again and I noticed that there is totally no 1/4 sound at here! In fact, there is just a little sound at 02:10:178 -. So it'd be better to change the slider here to 1/2 beat slider or you could make 2 circles with 1/2 beat gap here. ok

thanks a lot for mod

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Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2018-02-01T18:25:11+00:00

- Frontier - wrote:
2 hi again ^^

[notice][Lore & Ice's Hard]
00:10:860 (1,2) - So the visual spacing here is pretty huge compared to the previous parts which have the same sliders, the spacing here and 00:07:587 (1,2) - is pretty huge in terms of distance spacing, but in gameplay you would feel that the part 00:10:860 (1,2) - looks bigger than 00:07:587 (1,2) -. So try to make 00:10:860 (1,2) - become closer please. i know what you mean but imo its fine like this since the vocals are going ham for theese 2 objects/are opening up etc
00:17:814 - Since there is a vocal sound at here, I think you shouldn't skip this part because the players might misunderstand that the slider ends at here. I'd recommend you to make like this, to emphasize the vocals better. yep ^^
00:30:224 (5,6,1) - So the hitobjects' placement here could make the players being confused because they didn't place adhere the distance snap. Players could easily understand that these hitobjects are placed with 1/4 beat gaps, appeared getting 100s or misses here. So I'd recommend to make these hitobjects being placed followed the distance snap, so players will understand easier and avoiding for unfair reading challenge. but lowdiff- reading challenges are my style (jk, i changed it)
00:37:042 (1,2,3) - I think these could be better. Players could be confused easily because the slider heads are overlapped by the slider bodies, appearing that players could hardly find the slider head. Making normal thing would be better here. i changed the whole pattern (but i like the old one so much )
00:53:405 (4) - I'd recommend adding new combo here since this spot is pretty dominant, you've already use the higher spacing but I think it is not enough to indicate players the dominant sound. So adding new combo here could emphasize the intense sound better.ill defenetly do this since i do this in the upper diffs too
02:25:041 (1,2) - Because of the overlapping of these sliders, players could have a problem in seeing the reverses since the slider tail 02:25:041 (1) - is overlapping the slider tail 02:25:860 (2) -. You might move the slider away to avoid having an unfair reading challenge for players.did ~
[Rio & Ice's Insane]
00:33:769 (1) - I think making something like this instead will represent the vocals better.
01:09:769 (1) - This is questionable since the previous objects are being colourhaxed in blue and red colours, but these hitobjects are pink. If it's a mistake, you might change them. (i did this) uhm this is because the is a special emphasis on this slider, thats why i have this in a different color, imo pretty fitting (and wouldnt cause problems)
02:46:314 (1,1) - The slider 02:47:951 (1) - is appearing while 02:46:314 (1) - hasn't fully disappeared, appearing that these hitobjects are overlapped each other, which cause an unpleasant aesthetics and it is pretty hard to see the slider head 02:47:951 (1) - because the slider body 02:46:314 (1) - is overlapping it. So try to move it away for players to read the hitobjects here easily. lol this looks so ugly oups xD
02:59:405 to 03:25:587 - Every difficulties put a break in this part, but this difficulty instead maps here, which causes inconsistency between map. I'd highly recommend deleting this part and instead put a break as how the other difficulties did. it isnt unrankable tho if diffs have different drains (even asked a couple bns for this) so i let this part (since rio have interest in mapping that part~)
[Final Judgment]
00:17:814 (2,3) - Better to crtl+g these for better flow replaced it ^^
00:26:405 (1,1,1) - The spacing between these hitobjects are pretty big. Players could misunderstand that these hitobjects have 1/4 beat gap, appear that players will get 100s or misses here. Try to make them closer to avoid an unfair reading challenge. i will let it as it is since this should show the big contrast in the music (and imo the music change is already at 00:26:405 (1,1) - ,with the music, the change in combocolors and the already long gaps between 00:26:405 (1,1) - should show the player that somethings big is coming ~
00:30:223 (5) - crtl+g will flow better tbh i didnt cntrl+g it since the gap would be too small but instead i replaced it ^^
00:49:314 (2,3,4) - Will be better to make the spacing here equally.i did this cause the vocals are "going down" /losing in intensity, thats why i made the spacing smaller at the end , to make this more visual i should do the spacing even smaller so youll notice more what im trying to do ^^
01:06:496 (1,3) - Because of the slider body 01:06:496 (1) - overlaps the slider tail 01:07:042 (3) -, players could easily unable to see the slider tail 01:07:042 (3) -, so try to move the slider 01:07:042 (3) - further to avoid overlapping and having an unfair reading challenge. ahhh cmn this isnt really difficult to read since only the tail is halfed overlapped, nobody while testplaying had any problems with this obejct whatsoever
01:20:405 (5) - Might add a new combo here because different section (e idk how to call it) Applied for 04:04:041 (5) - too. yea why not ~)
02:20:132 to 02:46:314 - no kiai? (l explain under the mod ~)
02:21:223 (4,5) - Overlap looks pretty bad, try to move further. yep ^^
In my perspective I think the second kiai has less density than the other kiai parts. In that part has shorter spacing than the other parts/ So try to make the spacing better for consistency.[color=#0000FF]this is totally intentional and not by accident^^ - I rate this part of the chorus much less intense as the both kiais chorus cause this one is much more vocal heavy, the rythm is more quiet/ not so dominant, and i wanted to show that: 02:20:132 (1) - that silder is is extended (unlike the other 2 starting slider from the kiais) cause it concentrates way more on the strong vocal, 02:20:951 (3,4,5) - theese groupings of 3 sliders arent that spaced out anymore since the the rythm doesnt stand out to me that much, 02:26:678 - this whole section of sliders is only raw vocal emphazisement since they are so much stronger than the melody, 02:38:132 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - here prolly that most vocal heavy thing in the song, which i mapped wih even 3 extended sliders.... etc,etc

So what i basicly want to say is that this chorus seems much less intesne rythm wise to me than the other 2, other ppl might disagree but thats my interpretation of the song which i mapped, since the kiais are mostly mapped on the rythm instead of the vocals (there are parts ofc too but not so heavily as in the 2nd chorus) it seems much less intense, the things i presented above is my reasoning on theese things and why its mapped less intesne etc. I hope you'll understand my reasoning

So after you'd replied mod, please poke me back. I'll check once again (especially about top difficulty) and about hitsound consistency.

Thanks you for the mod, I apprecate it very much!

Kensuke

1,856 posts

Joined April 2014

Kensuke 2018-02-02T12:23:17+00:00

Loreley wrote:
01:03:155 - I think you are intend to make the green line here have 5% volume to make the slider tail 01:02:951 (2) - here become inaudible, but it is 50% volume here. So you might consider changing the volume in this green line become 5% to make the slider tail of 01:02:951 (2) - become inaudible. Also change the sample set at the slider tail to Normal since using Soft sample set in 5% volume green line, we could still hear the slider tail sound. But if we use Normal sample set here, the slider tail's sound will become completely inaudible. (Thanks Naxess for trick.) Also applied for 01:16:246 - and the rest thorough the difficulty. ok you didn't fix them ;(
01:29:473 (1,1) - Players could miss the hitcircle 01:31:042 (1) - because after the spinner 01:29:473 (1) -, players might need time to readjust the following hitobjects. So I'd recommend extending the slider to 01:31:042 - so it will be easier for players to follow. circle in the center, it is difficult to miss it's not in the middle :ANGERY:

IceKalt wrote:
[Lore & Ice's Hard]
00:10:860 (1,2) - So the visual spacing here is pretty huge compared to the previous parts which have the same sliders, the spacing here and 00:07:587 (1,2) - is pretty huge in terms of distance spacing, but in gameplay you would feel that the part 00:10:860 (1,2) - looks bigger than 00:07:587 (1,2) -. So try to make 00:10:860 (1,2) - become closer please. i know what you mean but imo its fine like this since the vocals are going ham for these 2 objects/are opening up etc so why you don't make for the rest?
[Final Judgment]
00:26:405 (1,1,1) - The spacing between these hitobjects are pretty big. Players could misunderstand that these hitobjects have 1/4 beat gap, appear that players will get 100s or misses here. Try to make them closer to avoid an unfair reading challenge. i will let it as it is since this should show the big contrast in the music (and imo the music change is already at 00:26:405 (1,1) - ,with the music, the change in combocolors and the already long gaps between 00:26:405 (1,1) - should show the player that somethings big is coming ~ the following hitobjects which it's the reason why you make the gap here pretty big isn't that intense to indicate players for transition. It's mostly the same as the previous part.

I understand and appreciate to your reason, but please do it for the other difficulties also!
Like you've said you will do it.

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2018-02-05T12:55:41+00:00

- Frontier - wrote:
Loreley wrote:
01:03:155 - I think you are intend to make the green line here have 5% volume to make the slider tail 01:02:951 (2) - here become inaudible, but it is 50% volume here. So you might consider changing the volume in this green line become 5% to make the slider tail of 01:02:951 (2) - become inaudible. Also change the sample set at the slider tail to Normal since using Soft sample set in 5% volume green line, we could still hear the slider tail sound. But if we use Normal sample set here, the slider tail's sound will become completely inaudible. (Thanks Naxess for trick.) Also applied for 01:16:246 - and the rest thorough the difficulty. ok you didn't fix them ;(
01:29:473 (1,1) - Players could miss the hitcircle 01:31:042 (1) - because after the spinner 01:29:473 (1) -, players might need time to readjust the following hitobjects. So I'd recommend extending the slider to 01:31:042 - so it will be easier for players to follow. circle in the center, it is difficult to miss it's not in the middle :ANGERY:
uhhh i think thats my fault, since i took the wrong .osu of him while uploading so i didnt have hsi fixed parts in it ^^

IceKalt wrote:
[Lore & Ice's Hard]
00:10:860 (1,2) - So the visual spacing here is pretty huge compared to the previous parts which have the same sliders, the spacing here and 00:07:587 (1,2) - is pretty huge in terms of distance spacing, but in gameplay you would feel that the part 00:10:860 (1,2) - looks bigger than 00:07:587 (1,2) -. So try to make 00:10:860 (1,2) - become closer please. i know what you mean but imo its fine like this since the vocals are going ham for these 2 objects/are opening up etc so why you don't make for the rest?
okok i nerfed visual spacing ^^

[Final Judgment]
00:26:405 (1,1,1) - The spacing between these hitobjects are pretty big. Players could misunderstand that these hitobjects have 1/4 beat gap, appear that players will get 100s or misses here. Try to make them closer to avoid an unfair reading challenge. i will let it as it is since this should show the big contrast in the music (and imo the music change is already at 00:26:405 (1,1) - ,with the music, the change in combocolors and the already long gaps between 00:26:405 (1,1) - should show the player that somethings big is coming ~ the following hitobjects which it's the reason why you make the gap here pretty big isn't that intense to indicate players for transition. It's mostly the same as the previous part.
i spoke with few other ppl about this and they think (as i) that this is pretty fitting / very good hadled, i think this is pretty subjective ~ (should be fine imo )

I understand and appreciate to your reason, but please do it for the other difficulties also!
Like you've said you will do it. did it now ^^

Sakurauchi Riko

1,632 posts

Joined January 2015

Sakurauchi Riko 2018-02-05T17:17:45+00:00

- Frontier - wrote:
m4m

[notice][General]
There is no need for "my_angel_kanan" to be in tags.
After I looked for the lyrics of this song, I noticed that there are some lyrics that are Italian. So you should add "italian" in tags too since you've add japanese in tags.
Since I saw the other GDers' name in tags (like fushimi_rio), I think it might be needed to add underscore between sakurauchi riko so it could not being confused with sakurauchi riko which mappers had added in Aqours' map.
[Riko & Phyl's Normal]
Widescreen support is being ticked.
Try to increase the stack leniency to something like 6-7 for new players to read easily.
00:35:405 (4,5) - After I looked at these hitobjects, I think you're trying to make the slider 00:36:223 (5) - be blanketed to the slider tail 00:35:405 (4) -, but it doesn't seem like to be a blanket. So if you wish to make these sliders blanket each other, you could make them blanket perfectly. not supposed to be blanket, i made it clear now so it looks intended
02:26:678 (1,3) - I think what you're trying to do here is to make the slider tail 02:28:314 (3) - perfectly stacked with the slider head 02:26:678 (1) -, but it doesn't perfectly stacked. You might move the slider 02:28:314 (3) - to x:183 y:287 for a aesthetically pleasant looking here. did
02:46:314 (1,1,1,1) - In my perspective I think using consecutive spinners could make an unfair problems for newbie players. Because after the first slider, newbie players' intuition is that after the spinner, it is a break. (as most of the maps are) But because of consecutive spinners, newbie players will have to readjust the pattern and move their cursors to spin again and again, which players could instead receive 100s instead of 300s. I'd recommend to make a long spinner instead to avoid unfair problem for newbie players. Just spin the spinner once and take a break looks more understandable than using consecutive spinners. i already explained this tons of times in this thread. players wouldnt need to readjust to spin again, thats why it is snapped so closely so the player instantly knows theres a next spinner coming up. also the player gets a better feeling that the spinner fit more to the song because the spinners actually land on something. one long spinner would ignore these which is such wasted potential ... like seriosuly, nobody's gonna complain about that (after the 2nd spinner the player also gets the idea of these and continues spinning after the 2nd one btw). If that really is an issue for you for whatever reason, im fine to change it for the sake of the mapset creator. but me personally would not wanna change that.
03:41:951 (1) - It might be better if you make the slider tail directs toward the following hitcircle like this so the movement here will look nicer. true
03:45:223 (1) - It is too high! owo Some skins might have health point bar overlapped this slider. So I think lowering this slider down could be better. did
l

thanks!

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Fushimi Rio

Fushimi Rio 2018-02-06T10:24:17+00:00

- Frontier - wrote:
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[Rio & Ice's Insane]
01:20:951 (3,4) - The hitcircle 01:21:155 (4) - is pretty hard to see because it's mostly overlapped by the slider body 01:20:951 (3) -. Try to move it away to make it clearer to see. k
01:30:223 (5) - Might adding this a new combo for a transition from 1/2 beat gap to 1/1 beat gap. k
01:54:769 (1,1,1) - There is no necessary to add nc on every sliders here. It is too frequent and looks unnecessary.
03:50:541 (2,3) - The jump here is unreasonably too high! It is an unjustified difficulty spike. Try not to stack the hitcircle 03:50:541 (2) - in the slider tail 03:50:132 (1) - and try to move further. actually it's as big as 03:48:905 (2,3) - , which isn't really high since it's jumping to a slider
04:07:859 (3) - Try to nerf the jump here. This might considered the biggest jump in the map. Even the song in this part here has the most intense than the previous parts but this high jump shouldn't be done! considering former jumps' spacing (around 3x now), this pattern's flow only works well with current high spacing jumps, although it looks like cross-screen jumps.

So after you'd replied mod, please poke me back. I'll check once again (especially about top difficulty) and about hitsound consistency.

Thanks for modding!

SPOILER

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[Metadata]
Title:Katayoku no Tori
TitleUnicode:片翼の鳥
Artist:Shikata Akiko
ArtistUnicode:志方あきこ
Creator:IceKalt
Version:Rio & Ice's Insane
Source:うみねこのなく頃に
Tags:opening japanese blue 古戸 ヱリカ furudo erika umineko no naku koro ni sakurauchi_riko phyloukz imoutosan fushimi_rio loreley namki italian
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154,155,197950,1,2,0:0:0:0:
245,32,198223,37,6,0:0:0:0:
296,183,198495,1,0,0:0:0:0:
139,152,198768,1,0,0:0:0:0:
384,65,199042,53,6,0:0:0:0:
431,61,199178,1,0,0:0:0:0:
418,140,199314,21,2,0:0:0:0:
465,136,199450,1,0,0:0:0:0:
448,213,199587,5,2,0:0:0:0:
282,261,199860,37,6,0:0:0:0:
341,56,200132,1,2,0:0:0:0:
489,209,200405,1,2,0:0:0:0:
160,302,200678,21,6,0:0:0:0:
313,153,200950,1,2,0:0:0:0:
365,360,201223,1,2,0:0:0:0:
218,99,201496,37,6,0:0:0:0:
366,252,201768,1,2,0:0:0:0:
159,303,202041,1,2,0:0:0:0:
212,68,202314,21,6,0:0:0:0:
263,274,202586,1,2,0:0:0:0:
58,216,202859,1,2,0:0:0:0:
378,143,203132,22,0,P|414:145|459:168,2,80,6|0|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
134,241,203951,6,0,P|98:239|53:216,2,80,6|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
337,88,204769,22,0,P|369:72|419:69,2,80,6|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,191,205587,53,14,0:0:0:0:
293,265,220811,69,2,0:0:0:0:
293,110,221096,53,2,0:0:0:0:
201,235,221382,53,2,0:0:0:0:
349,188,221668,21,2,0:0:0:0:
189,143,221951,22,0,P|146:70|256:9,1,240.000009155274,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
274,209,222360,2,0,P|204:244|127:225,1,160,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
413,188,222769,38,0,P|435:220|443:259,1,80,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
339,165,223042,2,0,P|378:170|413:188,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
274,208,223314,2,0,P|302:181|339:166,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,301,223587,22,0,L|206:116,1,160,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
142,384,223996,2,0,L|192:199,1,160,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
58,306,224405,38,0,P|97:308|135:296,1,80,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
1,252,224678,2,0,P|24:284|58:305,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
6,175,224950,2,0,P|-3:213|1:252,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
209,111,225223,22,0,P|159:51|82:45,1,160,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
177,260,225632,2,0,P|226:200|304:193,1,160,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
345,326,226041,38,0,P|306:317|276:293,1,80,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
418,300,226314,2,0,P|384:321|345:325,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
451,230,226587,2,0,P|442:268|417:299,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
231,81,226860,22,0,L|272:246,1,160,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
319,53,227269,1,8,0:0:0:0:
158,178,227405,1,8,0:0:0:0:
338,130,227541,1,0,0:0:0:0:
139,101,227678,38,0,L|159:183,1,80,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
226,374,227951,2,0,L|287:314,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
338,130,228223,1,8,0:0:0:0:
158,178,228360,1,0,0:0:0:0:
283,317,228496,22,0,P|357:337|434:306,1,160,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
432,308,228905,1,8,0:0:0:0:
177,345,229041,2,0,P|135:324|116:296,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
65,69,229314,38,0,P|100:100|111:132,1,80,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
85,352,229587,2,0,P|59:312|56:279,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
156,85,229859,2,0,P|170:129|164:162,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
1,312,230132,22,0,P|-1:265|92:235,1,160,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
90,233,230541,1,8,0:0:0:0:
335,345,230678,2,0,P|377:324|396:296,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
447,69,230951,38,0,P|411:100|400:132,1,80,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
427,352,231224,2,0,P|452:312|455:279,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
356,85,231496,2,0,P|341:129|347:162,1,80,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
359,199,231701,1,0,0:0:0:0:
389,224,231769,38,0,B|274:184|271:282|154:242,1,240,14|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
338,317,232314,1,8,0:0:0:0:
51,53,232587,54,0,P|163:45|207:149,1,240,14|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
157,243,233132,1,8,0:0:0:0:
512,119,233405,6,0,L|331:83,1,160,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
355,87,233814,1,8,0:0:0:0:
467,260,233951,54,0,L|415:183,1,80,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
310,20,234223,2,0,L|355:87,1,80,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
298,325,234496,38,0,P|337:324|370:303,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
473,137,234768,2,0,P|455:173|421:192,1,80,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
217,356,235041,22,0,P|153:301|153:227,1,160,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
340,197,235451,2,0,P|317:268|242:262,1,160,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
306,55,235860,38,0,P|359:75|385:108,1,80,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
232,78,236132,2,0,P|283:54|325:59,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
195,146,236405,2,0,P|215:92|248:67,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
381,311,236678,22,0,P|339:245|263:231,1,160,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
63,318,237087,2,0,P|3:267|0:189,1,160,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
209,350,237496,38,0,P|256:348|287:325,1,80,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
155,296,237769,2,0,P|180:335|215:351,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
174,222,238041,2,0,P|152:263|156:302,1,80,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
340,153,238314,22,0,L|389:0,1,160,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
448,238,238723,2,0,L|401:52,1,160,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
315,229,239132,38,0,L|344:137,1,80,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
290,305,239405,2,0,L|319:213,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
266,381,239678,2,0,L|289:304,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
259,59,239951,22,0,P|180:7|100:34,1,160,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
260,157,240360,1,8,0:0:0:0:
338,6,240496,1,8,0:0:0:0:
174,106,240632,1,2,0:0:0:0:
350,106,240769,38,0,P|300:97|246:135,1,80,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
313,246,241041,2,0,P|360:228|389:168,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
274,106,241314,2,0,P|241:145|247:211,1,80,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
372,329,241587,22,0,P|313:278|237:294,1,160,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
158,359,241996,1,8,0:0:0:0:
239,179,242132,1,8,0:0:0:0:
239,179,242269,1,2,0:0:0:0:
371,328,242405,38,0,P|405:347|447:347,1,80,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
457,140,242678,2,0,P|417:136|380:151,1,80,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
445,347,242951,2,0,P|483:335|511:308,1,80,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
310,65,243223,22,0,P|275:45|233:45,1,80,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
224,253,243496,2,0,P|263:256|300:241,1,80,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
236,46,243769,2,0,P|197:57|169:84,1,80,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
148,324,244041,38,0,P|93:353|18:295,1,160,14|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
20,302,244451,1,0,0:0:0:0:
243,340,244587,2,0,P|274:313|287:274,1,80,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
282,237,244791,1,0,0:0:0:0:
260,202,244860,22,0,P|270:278|363:311,1,160,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
421,251,245269,1,8,0:0:0:0:
179,337,245405,2,0,P|218:330|248:305,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
486,200,245678,38,0,P|415:170|340:234,1,160,14|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
363,314,246087,1,2,0:0:0:0:
265,91,246223,2,0,P|270:135|258:167,1,80,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
104,228,246496,22,0,P|114:152|207:119,1,160,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
258,167,246905,1,8,0:0:0:0:
23,92,247041,2,0,P|61:99|92:124,1,80,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
154,315,247314,38,0,L|177:239,1,80,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
308,0,247586,2,0,L|330:76,1,80,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
422,377,247859,2,0,L|399:300,1,80,12|10,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
445,223,248132,38,0,P|376:260|269:229,1,180.000006866455,14|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
435,109,248951,1,14,0:0:0:0:
461,200,249223,1,2,0:0:0:0:
490,291,249496,1,8,0:0:0:0:
116,187,249769,6,0,P|185:224|292:193,1,180.000006866455,14|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
126,73,250588,1,10,0:0:0:0:
100,164,250860,1,2,0:0:0:0:
71,255,251133,1,8,0:0:0:0:
225,137,251405,53,14,0:0:0:0:
343,118,251678,1,2,0:0:0:0:
416,213,251951,1,2,0:0:0:0:
231,251,252223,5,10,0:0:0:0:
236,167,252496,1,2,0:0:0:0:
307,122,252769,1,2,0:0:0:0:
299,294,253041,53,14,0:0:0:0:
181,313,253314,1,2,0:0:0:0:
108,218,253587,1,2,0:0:0:0:
254,376,253860,5,10,0:0:0:0:
88,312,254132,1,2,0:0:0:0:
305,209,254405,1,0,0:0:0:0:
154,71,254678,54,0,P|167:160|205:126,1,180.000006866455,14|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
55,186,255496,1,10,0:0:0:0:
130,245,255769,1,2,0:0:0:0:
225,234,256042,1,8,0:0:0:0:
396,131,256314,6,0,P|383:220|345:186,1,180.000006866455,14|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
495,246,257132,1,10,0:0:0:0:
420,305,257405,1,2,0:0:0:0:
325,294,257678,1,8,0:0:0:0:
239,75,257951,54,0,L|289:200,2,120.000004577637,14|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
182,164,258769,2,0,L|132:289,2,120.000004577637,10|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
238,253,259587,2,0,L|288:378,2,120.000004577637,14|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
151,94,260405,1,10,0:0:0:0:
78,258,260678,1,2,0:0:0:0:
235,170,260951,1,0,0:0:0:0:
71,19,261223,21,14,0:0:0:0:
192,100,262041,54,0,P|239:86|285:102,2,95.9999970703126,14|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
164,242,262860,2,0,L|125:140,2,95.9999970703126,10|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
314,241,263678,2,0,L|353:139,2,95.9999970703126,10|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
175,323,264496,22,0,L|69:324,1,95.9999970703126,14|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
205,303,265041,1,2,0:0:0:0:
336,213,265314,2,0,L|442:214,1,95.9999970703126,10|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
306,193,265859,1,2,0:0:0:0:
163,102,266132,2,0,L|57:103,1,95.9999970703126,14|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
193,82,266677,1,2,0:0:0:0:
257,251,266951,2,0,L|256:354,1,95.9999970703126,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
370,90,267496,5,14,0:0:0:0:
256,192,267564,12,0,272678,0:0:0:0:

Maybe combocolor needs recheck since I changed some NCs

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2018-02-06T22:43:38+00:00

http://umineko.tv/web/main/collection/themesong.html

here is metadata ^^

Kensuke

1,856 posts

Joined April 2014

Kensuke 2018-02-07T12:59:01+00:00

:3

not mention anything much

might add "op" since you added "opening".
From what you've sent me..

Might add "波乃渉" because he is the one who created lyrics!
and don't forget to add romanised word if you add this "namino wataru"
check aimod through all difficulties, there are some timing inconsistencies and unsnapped green lines
normal didn't have kiai in the third part
00:45:223 (2) - touch hp bar
00:55:314 (1) - i cant remember if i had pointed this. after i had a testplay, the spinner appears very sudden and ends very fast. this could be unfriendly to players. could remove this spinner i guess.
01:23:678 (4) - touch hp bar
advanced should have second kiai removed
widescreen!!!!!
01:15:223 (2) - touch hp bar
hard
00:38:678 (3,4) - weird looking
04:27:496 (3) - could have nc here cuz big sound!
insane
00:13:860 (4) - could make 2 circles here like 00:10:587 (5,6) -
02:00:496 (1) - hp bar
02:04:451 (2) - silent slider tail like 02:03:632 (1) -
02:28:314 (1) - ctrl+g could flow better
03:02:678 (1,2,1,2,1) - could make the spacing lower cuz the sound is pretty low. asa the rest
03:41:951 (1) - i think unnecessary to make fast sv here
extra
00:30:223 (5) - since both part of slider is pretty dominant, could use 2 circles
02:08:405 (1,1) - visual spacing here looks pretty low, might make something lilke http://puu.sh/zizZw/48cb5bc97b.jpg

no more i guess

Icekalt

555 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Icekalt 2018-02-07T13:31:39+00:00

- Frontier - wrote:
:3

not mention anything much
might add "op" since you added "opening".
From what you've sent me..

Might add "波乃渉" because he is the one who created lyrics!
and don't forget to add romanised word if you add this "namino wataru" added all tags
check aimod through all difficulties, there are some timing inconsistencies and unsnapped green lines oups
normal didn't have kiai in the third part oups
00:45:223 (2) - touch hp bar should be fine thos since its not that bad + not unrankable
00:55:314 (1) - i cant remember if i had pointed this. after i had a testplay, the spinner appears very sudden and ends very fast. this could be unfriendly to players. could remove this spinner i guess. ok
01:23:678 (4) - touch hp bar again as above ^^
advanced should have second kiai removed oups
widescreen!!!!! ahhhhhhhh
01:15:223 (2) - touch hp bar moved it a bit down
hard
00:38:678 (3,4) - weird looking much better now ~
04:27:496 (3) - could have nc here cuz big sound! yep
insane
00:13:860 (4) - could make 2 circles here like 00:10:587 (5,6) - i didnt do this since this is a downfall in in intesity and shouldnt mapped like 00:10:314 (4,5,6) -
02:00:496 (1) - hp bar should be ok ^^ (since it dont touch it this much and isnt unrankable anyway)
02:04:451 (2) - silent slider tail like 02:03:632 (1) - yes
02:28:314 (1) - ctrl+g could flow better yea
03:02:678 (1,2,1,2,1) - could make the spacing lower cuz the sound is pretty low. asa the rest i dont think this should be spaced less than the rest since 03:05:951 (1,2,1,2,1) - has the same intesity etc, and it kinda would destroy the aestetic in not touching everx combo
03:41:951 (1) - i think unnecessary to make fast sv here this is pretty subjective, thats like how the mappers feel the music, its not like it gets unreadable with the fast sv, its just a tool of emphazising what is to noticable to someone (to emphazise it more, i showed it with color haxing)
extra
00:30:223 (5) - since both part of slider is pretty dominant, could use 2 circles can do
02:08:405 (1,1) - visual spacing here looks pretty low, might make something lilke http://puu.sh/zizZw/48cb5bc97b.jpg your suggestion is pretty nice
no more i guess

thanks

Kensuke

1,856 posts

Joined April 2014

Kensuke 2018-02-07T13:40:50+00:00

i hope this is your first bubble

Mordred

532 posts

Joined October 2015

Mordred 2018-02-07T13:52:09+00:00

hey I saw this got bubbled, but unfortunately I have some concerns

mod

Nevo

Global Moderator

1,184 posts

Joined November 2015

Nevo 2018-02-07T14:08:19+00:00

I have a bunch of things to say

First this map is :3c

Stack

osu! Alumni

729 posts

Joined March 2015

Stack 2018-02-08T00:32:51+00:00

Speedranking pp maps smh

Lanturn

osu! Alumni

3,912 posts

Joined March 2012

Lanturn 2018-02-08T07:54:56+00:00

oh nice.

go go

call me back in a month if no one else does anything I guess. (We're both on probation for now)

Doormat

2,050 posts

Joined September 2013

Doormat 2018-02-12T09:13:55+00:00

[General]

03:41:951 (1) - conflicting samplesets (red timing point is S:C1, green timing point is S:C2)

[Rio & Ice]

02:13:315 (5) - 02:16:315 (2) - 03:09:633 (2) - 03:11:133 (2) - modding assistant is reporting these as unsnapped (looks like it's 1ms off, which isn't really that big a deal but yeah)

it's pretty late right now so i'll give it a more thorough mod in the morning but for now, but i'm popping it for now because of the conflicting sampleset issue (set mostly looks good though so shouldn't be much to mod) i modded it anyways lol

edit 1:

- Frontier - wrote:
might add "op" since you added "opening".

this is actually an irrelevant tag to have, since "op" is literally in "opening". it's not like endings, where "ed" isn't in "ending"

edit 2:
[General]

i just realized that your time signatures throughout the Normal diff is inconsistent with all the other diffs, so the bubble pop is justified xd.

[Riko & Phyl]

Normal diff has 00:01:042 - 03:40:811 - 03:41:953 - as 6|4 time signature, but 00:57:177 - 00:58:314 - 02:19:073 - 02:20:132 - as 3|4 time signature. this is dumb on two accounts: (1) waltzes generally don't change between the two, if at all; (2) there's no consistency in where the time signatures change between 3|4 and 6|4. it'd be more appropriate to just set all the red lines as 3|4 time signature.
00:24:769 - i don't understand why the break ends here
00:41:678 (1,2) - 00:44:951 (1,2) - 02:05:132 (1,2) - 02:08:405 (1,2) - i'd argue you should swap NCs here so that NCs are on the downbeat. downbeats clearly have much more emphasis to them, so while i understand NCing the previous notes to emphasize vocals i don't think it works out quite as well due to how quiet they are in comparison to the downbeat

[Namki & Ice]

02:56:132 - put a break here; having 5 measures in between spinner end and the next note is ridiculous

[Lore & Ice]

why is the HP so high? HP6 for a Hard is pretty overkill. maybe lower it to 5.5?
00:25:314 (4) - based on your patterning it sounds like you're going for more vocal emphasis here, so this shouldn't be a circle since no vocal sounds land on it. consider making 00:25:042 (3) - a 1/1 slider
00:33:769 (1) - i kind of expected a rhythm more like this here, actually. kind of odd how you didn't go for the vocal at 00:34:178 - despite doing so everywhere else
SPOILER
00:35:405 (1) - has a similar suggestion to the above, where you could add a note to 00:35:814 -
00:52:587 (1,2,3) - i expected more spacing from 2->3 rather than from 1->2, or at the very least equal spacing. the drop in spacing doesn't really make sense with the tone in the music
01:19:587 (1,2) - i think Ctrl+G these two would fit the rhythm structure of the music a bit more accurately
02:14:132 (2) - there's no trill in the music here, so why put a trill in the map structure? if you were trying to follow that trill in the vocals that the singer is doing, this would be much more accurate:
SPOILER
02:14:405 (1,2,3) - could actually follow a similar rhythm choice to what i suggested above; in terms of song emphasis, there's no significant sound that lands on 02:14:268 - so making that clickable wouldn't be the best idea
02:16:314 (2) - i don't hear a trill here either. i don't mind overmapping, but come on this is too obvious
02:56:132 - put a break here holy crap
04:08:678 - 04:10:314 - 04:15:223 - 04:16:860 - there are still significant beats on these notes, so you could add a circle here. also because just leaving 04:08:132 (1) - etc. off on the red tick when every right after it ends off on a white tick is really triggering

[Rio & Ice]

HP is pretty high.. HP6.5 for the Insane isn't really that good of an idea. maybe lower it to HP6?
01:45:087 (3) - 01:48:360 (3) - not a big fan of the overmaps here. especially since they aren't even the same musically, it's a bit odd to map them the same way
03:37:041 - why not put a spinner instead of manual break end here? if you do, you could end the spinner at 03:40:313 -
04:08:678 - 04:10:314 - 04:15:223 - 04:16:860 - same thing i mentioned in the Hard

[Final Judgement]

01:18:769 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this is a neat idea, repeating the same pattern at more spacing for the "akaku" in the lyrics. however, i don't think 01:20:405 (1,2,3,4) - should follow in the same patterning idea, since "akaku" isn't being repeated here. for reference, look at what you did at 02:40:587 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - , where the same pattern is repeated for "tsuyoku", but then isn't repeated at 02:42:223 (1,2,3,4) - due to the change in vocal phrasing
02:56:541 - B R E A K S
04:02:405 (4) - forget to NC here by any chance?
04:04:041 (5,6,7,8) - read the first point i mentioned, cause this can also apply here. also you might want to consider adding NC to 04:04:041 (5) -

fix what you need to, then call Frontier to rebubble; i'll qualify

Last edited by Doormat 2018-02-12T10:42:29+00:00, edited 6 times in total.

Xinnoh

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Doormat

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Doormat 2018-02-12T09:27:38+00:00

Sinnoh wrote:

Icekalt

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Topic Starter

Icekalt 2018-02-12T13:06:19+00:00

o/ guys~

@Sinnoh / Doormat the pop isnt big of a deal ^^ dw even if you didnt need to cause of the green+red line conflict wasnt a pop reason

(edit: ok riko's 6/4 was a reson enough nvm ^^)

Doormat wrote:
[General]
03:41:951 (1) - conflicting samplesets (red timing point is S:C1, green timing point is S:C2)fixed
[Rio & Ice]
02:13:315 (5) - 02:16:315 (2) - 03:09:633 (2) - 03:11:133 (2) - modding assistant is reporting these as unsnapped (looks like it's 1ms off, which isn't really that big a deal but yeah) oki
it's pretty late right now so i'll give it a more thorough mod in the morning but for now, but i'm popping it for now because of the conflicting sampleset issue (set mostly looks good though so shouldn't be much to mod) i modded it anyways lol

edit 1:
- Frontier - wrote:
might add "op" since you added "opening".
erased it

this is actually an irrelevant tag to have, since "op" is literally in "opening". it's not like endings, where "ed" isn't in "ending"

edit 2:
[General]
i just realized that your time signatures throughout the Normal diff is inconsistent with all the other diffs, so the bubble pop is justified xd.

[Riko & Phyl]
Normal diff has 00:01:042 - 03:40:811 - 03:41:953 - as 6|4 time signature, but 00:57:177 - 00:58:314 - 02:19:073 - 02:20:132 - as 3|4 time signature. this is dumb on two accounts: (1) waltzes generally don't change between the two, if at all; (2) there's no consistency in where the time signatures change between 3|4 and 6|4. it'd be more appropriate to just set all the red lines as 3|4 time signature. this was my mistake i guess :/
00:24:769 - i don't understand why the break ends here uhhh same -.-
00:41:678 (1,2) - 00:44:951 (1,2) - 02:05:132 (1,2) - 02:08:405 (1,2) - i'd argue you should swap NCs here so that NCs are on the downbeat. downbeats clearly have much more emphasis to them, so while i understand NCing the previous notes to emphasize vocals i don't think it works out quite as well due to how quiet they are in comparison to the downbeat ok
[Namki & Ice]
02:56:132 - put a break here; having 5 measures in between spinner end and the next note is ridiculousok
[Lore & Ice]
why is the HP so high? HP6 for a Hard is pretty overkill. maybe lower it to 5.5? ill change to 5,6 then
00:25:314 (4) - based on your patterning it sounds like you're going for more vocal emphasis here, so this shouldn't be a circle since no vocal sounds land on it. consider making 00:25:042 (3) - a 1/1 slider yep, would be more suitable
00:33:769 (1) - i kind of expected a rhythm more like this here, actually. kind of odd how you didn't go for the vocal at 00:34:178 - despite doing so everywhere else nooo, i didnt want that cause then i would need to map the red tick too (other would sounds wierd) and that would be too dense for me tbh :/
SPOILER
00:35:405 (1) - has a similar suggestion to the above, where you could add a note to 00:35:814 - same as above, its just something i dont like for this hard
00:52:587 (1,2,3) - i expected more spacing from 2->3 rather than from 1->2, or at the very least equal spacing. the drop in spacing doesn't really make sense with the tone in the music agreed
01:19:587 (1,2) - i think Ctrl+G these two would fit the rhythm structure of the music a bit more accurately dod that at 04:03:223 (1,2) - too
02:14:132 (2) - there's no trill in the music here, so why put a trill in the map structure? if you were trying to follow that trill in the vocals that the singer is doing, this would be much more accurate: fixed
SPOILER
02:14:405 (1,2,3) - could actually follow a similar rhythm choice to what i suggested above; in terms of song emphasis, there's no significant sound that lands on 02:14:268 - so making that clickable wouldn't be the best idea changed the pattern there
02:16:314 (2) - i don't hear a trill here either. i don't mind overmapping, but come on this is too obvious this survived pretty long tho
02:56:132 - put a break here holy crap :D
04:08:678 - 04:10:314 - 04:15:223 - 04:16:860 - there are still significant beats on these notes, so you could add a circle here. also because just leaving 04:08:132 (1) - etc. off on the red tick when every right after it ends off on a white tick is really triggering added a circle (i never noticed the sounds ^^)
[Rio & Ice]
HP is pretty high.. HP6.5 for the Insane isn't really that good of an idea. maybe lower it to HP6? ill do 6,1
01:45:087 (3) - 01:48:360 (3) - not a big fan of the overmaps here. especially since they aren't even the same musically, it's a bit odd to map them the same way imo the overmaps are ok, expecially since they are consistend with 03:03:087 (2,1) - and theese (kinda) overmaps really fit to the atmosphere of the song~
03:37:041 - why not put a spinner instead of manual break end here? if you do, you could end the spinner at 03:40:313 - ok
04:08:678 - 04:10:314 - 04:15:223 - 04:16:860 - same thing i mentioned in the Hard ok^^did ^^
[Final Judgement]
01:18:769 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this is a neat idea, repeating the same pattern at more spacing for the "akaku" in the lyrics. however, i don't think 01:20:405 (1,2,3,4) - should follow in the same patterning idea, since "akaku" isn't being repeated here. for reference, look at what you did at 02:40:587 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - , where the same pattern is repeated for "tsuyoku", but then isn't repeated at 02:42:223 (1,2,3,4) - due to the change in vocal phrasing i changed it a bit but still fits toi the pattern - i like this way more now ^^)
02:56:541 - B R E A K S O K F I X E D
04:02:405 (4) - forget to NC here by any chance? NO I WOULDNT EVER FORGET SOMETHING LIKE.... ok fixed
04:04:041 (5,6,7,8) - read the first point i mentioned, cause this can also apply here. also you might want to consider adding NC to 04:04:041 (5) - yep
fix what you need to, then call Frontier to rebubble; i'll qualify