Masayoshi Minoshima feat.nomico - Lost Emotion (Amane UK Har

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MaridiuS

kwk wrote:

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[dance]
  1. 00:09:733 (1,2,3) - is this mistake? i think it should be straight its on purpose, as you see 0.7 DS
  2. 00:10:761 (3,4,5,6,1) - i think its visually better if u give these 1.1x or 0.9x hmm maybe will ask bout this
  3. 00:12:647 (2,3,4) - flows better imo if you angle this upwards instead not my intention to make circular flow here.
  4. 00:19:933 (8,1,2) - can you make this curve a bit smoother? it sticks out quite a bit pressed NC therefore it would make sense to make it stick out
  5. 00:31:675 (1,2,3) - im sure you can come up with better ideas for patterning here if you can comeup with better placement whilst also keeping this movement, i would appreciate it.
  6. 00:42:647 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - is this meant to be straight? the dsing/placements seems a bit strange mm did some remapping and fked up a bit, will fix.
  7. with the wub section, i suggest you nc your sv changes eg 01:28:590 (2) - 01:29:104 (5) - I NC on pattern changes.
  8. 01:31:675 (3,4,5) - dont really like this, feels like a bit of wasted potential if you can think of something without making playing them annoying then please do, because I don't want to make this annoying, just to make it filler or something.
  9. 01:32:875 (4,5,6,7) - i think these play better as spaced streams instead, seems to fit better with the map since this patterning doesnt in any other sections i'm using spaced streams for kicks, this one has really squeaky sounds on red and white tick therefore stream jump. And does this dubstep section actually resemble any other setion of the song? I say no.
  10. 03:06:304 (9,1) - jump here would be quite fitting imo for transitioning ctrl+gd 03:06:304 (9) -
  11. 03:16:761 (5,6,7) - ctrl+g? no
  12. 04:20:704 (3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - i think its better with sharper curves, might be too hard for what you want tho i will see if i think of patterning this better but keeping similar curve.
  13. dont really understand why your outro is intentionally(?) difficult to read it goes against what your intro built on, 00:03:047 (3,5) - 00:05:790 (3,5) - compared to 04:45:561 (3,5) - 04:46:932 (3,5) - 04:48:304 (3,5) - etc , why make them different? one reason, variety; 2nd reason its a longer section; 3rd reason the music is actually different as the outro contains snares compared to the intro

gl
Thanks for mod.
lit120
[x]
  1. hitsounds aren't rly that neat and not sync based on the song from its beat
  2. 00:33:046 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - what's up with this jumps, even it is not the same as 00:38:533 - which is suit better to have a jump gap from its intense part. just do the same thing as 00:22:075 - but a bit harder rather than having 1/2 notes spam there
  3. 01:17:275 (3) - weird choice here. i'd just use a circle + 1/2 slider to follow the vocal well enough there
  4. 01:25:761 (4,4) - overmapped due to an absent snare beat there
  5. 01:39:561 (2) - NC
  6. 01:46:075 (3,5,6,1,3) - i'd make it more linear and tidy if i were u
  7. 01:53:961 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - what are you trying to follow here? i heard some notes from a blue tick, but this kind of rhythm feels like a bit off from such beat and somehow a bit weird rhythm choice here. would you like to check the rhythm here again? 01:59:447 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - 01:58:075 (1,2,3,4) -
  8. 02:07:161 (2) - 02:08:533 (2) - 02:09:904 (2) - and the rests - this kind of hitsound doesn't suit so well for a remix song like this, or it's not rly suit for a part like this
  9. 02:11:018 (5) - what are u trying to map here? 02:10:675 (3) - too. it's like an overmap for me
  10. 02:17:275 (1,2,3) - i don't totally get it why u made such overlap, despite from the look that isn't look like a pattern ish. also, 02:18:304 (3) - why is the slider ending at a blue tick, instead of white tick? 02:20:018 (2,3,4) - is a perfect example that u did
  11. 02:49:161 (3,4,5,6,1) - transition here is rly weird for a stream and the notes. would just do like http://puu.sh/wsQzn/6d1b6ceb8f.jpg better for example
  12. 02:54:475 (2,1) - big question. why's the transition from 02:54:304 (1,2) - and 02:54:647 (1,2) - looks cool enough, but 02:54:475 (2,1) - feels like a confusing part that players might think 02:54:818 (2) - as (1)? i'd move 02:54:647 (1) - away somewhere for players not to make themselves confused from its transition
  13. 02:56:704 (7) - you usually would do like 02:40:075 (4,5,6,7) - as u were following this all the time, but this time, u didn't
  14. 03:05:532 (3,5) - what are u trying to follow here? clearly an overmap here
  15. 03:49:161 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - the jumps here feel like random ish for me, and i don't think this pretty emphasize well with such pitch from low to high. would do sth like http://puu.sh/wsQSP/4a6054af9a.jpg for example
  16. 03:50:533 - here we go, such random jumps with a huge gap around here. it's rly different from the rests of the part of this song, from this 1/2 spam jumps
  17. 04:23:447 - i like the fact that u used such 1/2 note spam jumps that u were following a synth sound from high to low pitch, but this is pretty too much here. would use a bit of 1/2 sliders somewhere. same goes to 04:34:417 -
  18. 04:52:761 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - try this since it follows the rhythm well, including following an emphasize vocal http://puu.sh/wsR1i/08a9286aa7.jpg


i'm not rly into wub wub songs a lot tbh, but that wub wub part is a bit difficulty there, and i couldn't feel the wub parts there well. something like 01:32:875 (4,5,6,7,8) - would be better like http://puu.sh/wsR7C/af31410d61.jpg for example. for an emphasize note like 01:34:075 (2) - should be NC after that wub from 01:33:390 (1) - , same goes to the rest from this part

i'm not saying that i suck on this map so hard since i failed it somewhere, but i couldn't just feel the wub parts there tbh

gl
Topic Starter
MaridiuS

lit120 wrote:

[x]
  1. hitsounds aren't rly that neat and not sync based on the song from its beat
  2. 00:33:046 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - what's up with this jumps, here's the deal, compared to the previous section we have this pitchy sounds added. Flow is circular, meaning they are not hard to land. Justification for having it all in 1/2 is that every beat is either a kick, clap. Every red tick is followed by the usual hardcore sound, which i hitsounded. I follow the intensity of pitches with jumps.
    00:38:533 - on here we have kicks as a main form, and to emphasize them from the previous jumps, they don't have circular flow (i don't know how their flow is called), and they're a bit larger, harder to do since no circular flow, the contrast can be easily grasped.
  3. 01:17:275 (3) - weird choice here. i'd just use a circle + 1/2 slider to follow the vocal well enough there I think adding a reverse slider is really cute here, really like how it plays.
  4. 01:25:761 (4,4) - overmapped due to an absent snare beat there i can hear something on (4)'s, think its the regular drum hit on the left,
  5. 01:39:561 (2) - NC oki
  6. 01:46:075 (3,5,6,1,3) - i'd make it more linear and tidy if i were u i did, and also made the previous similar pattern tidy.
  7. 01:53:961 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - what are you trying to follow here? i heard some notes from a blue tick, but this kind of rhythm feels like a bit off from such beat and somehow a bit weird rhythm choice here. would you like to check the rhythm here again? 01:59:447 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - 01:58:075 (1,2,3,4) - following the piano when i felt that it got a bit more dominant. Thought it was a good way to make the section not boring.
  8. 02:07:161 (2) - 02:08:533 (2) - 02:09:904 (2) - and the rests - this kind of hitsound doesn't suit so well for a remix song like this, or it's not rly suit for a part like this ugh think it sounds well, but weird when you slow it down or something.
  9. 02:11:018 (5) - what are u trying to map here? 02:10:675 (3) - too. it's like an overmap for me cant you hear a 1/4 there?
  10. 02:17:275 (1,2,3) - i don't totally get it why u made such overlap, despite from the look that isn't look like a pattern ish. thought it looks neat? Much more fun to play than generic patterns smh also, 02:18:304 (3) - why is the slider ending at a blue tick, instead of white tick? ugh i did some remapping and seems i fked up. fixed02:20:018 (2,3,4) - is a perfect example that u did
  11. 02:49:161 (3,4,5,6,1) - transition here is rly weird for a stream and the notes. would just do like http://puu.sh/wsQzn/6d1b6ceb8f.jpg better for example alright, i'll see if there are more complaints.
  12. 02:54:475 (2,1) - big question. why's the transition from 02:54:304 (1,2) - and 02:54:647 (1,2) - looks cool enough, but 02:54:475 (2,1) - feels like a confusing part that players might think 02:54:818 (2) - as (1)? i'd move 02:54:647 (1) - away somewhere for players not to make themselves confused from its transition hmm i kinda wanted that part to be a bit confusing, as you can see i also broke the usual 15 degree rotation, complain noted will see.
  13. 02:56:704 (7) - you usually would do like 02:40:075 (4,5,6,7) - as u were following this all the time, but this time, u didn't i thought that doing 1/6 here would be annoying.
  14. 03:05:532 (3,5) - what are u trying to follow here? clearly an overmap here mmmmm there's 1/4 there okay? :v
  15. 03:49:161 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - the jumps here feel like random ish for me, and i don't think this pretty emphasize well with such pitch from low to high. would do sth like http://puu.sh/wsQSP/4a6054af9a.jpg for example oh thanks, did it exactly like the picture, wonderful!
  16. 03:50:533 - here we go, such random jumps with a huge gap around here. it's rly different from the rests of the part of this song, from this 1/2 spam jumps basically we have kicks with added vocals here, wanted to make it different as we have no kicks with added vocals in other parts of the song righT?
  17. 04:23:447 - i like the fact that u used such 1/2 note spam jumps that u were following a synth sound from high to low pitch, but this is pretty too much here. would use a bit of 1/2 sliders somewhere. same goes to 04:34:417 - well that's what i'd usually, but not on hardcore/techno songs,
    reason being song is repetetive, and i don't want to really make on 6.35* some things to make it easier just for the sake of it, not for following the song.
  18. 04:52:761 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - try this since it follows the rhythm well, including following an emphasize vocal http://puu.sh/wsR1i/08a9286aa7.jpg hm i used that rhythm on the following section therefore denied. Feel like the next pattern needs it more, since the 5stack fits really well there, at least better than it would here.


i'm not rly into wub wub songs a lot tbh, but that wub wub part is a bit difficulty there, and i couldn't feel the wub parts there well. something like 01:32:875 (4,5,6,7,8) - would be better like http://puu.sh/wsR7C/af31410d61.jpg for example. for an emphasize note like 01:34:075 (2) - should be NC after that wub from 01:33:390 (1) - , same goes to the rest from this part alright, i will apply the nc suggestions. Think that the hanzer streams flow well, will keep, i hit them fairly easily, they're on a circular flow, your suggestion is a bit more interesting, will decide later.

i'm not saying that i suck on this map so hard since i failed it somewhere, but i couldn't just feel the wub parts there tbh

gl
Oh thanks for the mod, appreciate it.
gary00737
From my Q

00:00:304 (3,5,6) -Aligned ?

00:14:790 (8,9,10,11,1) - i think 00:14:533 (6,7) - ctrl+g 00:14:790 (8,9) - ctrl+g can put them on https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8425321 , flow will be better

00:31:675 (1,2,3,4) - i think 00:32:018 (2,3,4) - flow not good you can try 00:32:018 (2) - http://i.imgur.com/9XwXJjl.png

00:41:875 (8,1) - why jump? i think overlap will be better to show.http://i.imgur.com/7zBhuFB.png

04:44:018 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i like this part !


I can't pass this map , but i think it is cool !!

GL! :)
Topic Starter
MaridiuS

gary00737 wrote:

From my Q

00:00:304 (3,5,6) -Aligned ? doesn't really need to be

00:14:790 (8,9,10,11,1) - i think 00:14:533 (6,7) - ctrl+g 00:14:790 (8,9) - ctrl+g can put them on https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8425321 , flow will be better both work

00:31:675 (1,2,3,4) - i think 00:32:018 (2,3,4) - flow not good you can try 00:32:018 (2) - http://i.imgur.com/9XwXJjl.png it works, on gameplay you won't feel the curves, they go right as fully straight sliders.

00:41:875 (8,1) - why jump? i think overlap will be better to show.http://i.imgur.com/7zBhuFB.png makes no sense to curve 8 like that

04:44:018 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i like this part ! thanks


I can't pass this map , but i think it is cool !! thanks

GL! :)thanks
Mm not giving kudosu, applied nothing.
FruityEnLoops
hi

not snapped objects on aimod
00:10:761 (3,4,5,6,1) - seems weird because 00:10:247 (5) - sliderhead is still visible
00:12:132 (9,5) - ugly overlap
00:22:075 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - align these
00:22:933 (7,8) - ^
00:23:447 (1,2,3,4) - ^
00:24:133 (1,2,1,2) - ^
01:05:447 (6) - ctrl +j
01:18:990 (1,3) - mb stack since you stack 01:20:447 (5,6) -
01:22:590 (2,4,6,8) - not perfect aligned, seems ugly
01:50:875 (5,3) - doesn't seem stacked perfectly
01:54:133 (3,4,1,2,3) - bruh
01:56:704 (1,2,3,4) - feels weirdly not aligned
01:59:619 (3,4,1,2,3) - bruh
02:29:447 (2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - ugly non perfect triangle, but fine
02:41:704 (9,3) - meh
03:09:218 (11,1) - ugly
03:51:047 (4,8,9,1) - ^
04:42:647 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - stack like 05:04:590 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -

good map, it has potential
gl
Topic Starter
MaridiuS

FruityEnLoops wrote:

hi

not snapped objects on aimod
00:10:761 (3,4,5,6,1) - seems weird because 00:10:247 (5) - sliderhead is still visible it doesnt give a bad feeling in gameplay
00:12:132 (9,5) - ugly overlap not visible
00:22:075 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - align these I don't want to, this looks more appealing to me.
00:22:933 (7,8) - ^
00:23:447 (1,2,3,4) - ^
00:24:133 (1,2,1,2) - ^
01:05:447 (6) - ctrl +j i like it in its current state
01:18:990 (1,3) - mb stack since you stack 01:20:447 (5,6) - 01:18:990 (1,2,3,4) - i like how the pattern looks, stacking it will mean it won't look as well.
01:22:590 (2,4,6,8) - not perfect aligned, seems ugly fixed
01:50:875 (5,3) - doesn't seem stacked perfectly to me it seems
01:54:133 (3,4,1,2,3) - bruh ever seen stream overlapping itself? xd
01:56:704 (1,2,3,4) - feels weirdly not aligned fixed
01:59:619 (3,4,1,2,3) - bruh bruh
02:29:447 (2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - ugly non perfect triangle, but fine how is this ugly dude? I don't want a perfect triangle, 30-45 degrees works here better, i want sharp movement her
02:41:704 (9,3) - meh not viisble in gameplay
03:09:218 (11,1) - ugly k
03:51:047 (4,8,9,1) - ^ jesus
04:42:647 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - stack like 05:04:590 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - will not, the first stream has bigger emphasis on 9th beat 04:43:333 (1) -

good map, it has potential thanks
gl thanks
thanks for the mod but jesus, please don't point out overlaps so far in the timeline.
SnowNiNo_
M4M
  • [Dance]
  1. 00:09:733 (1,2,3) - inconsistent spacing, there isnt specific sound here dat need to used differnet spacing to express
  2. 00:19:333 - lower spacing at the intense part conpare with 00:10:761 - , i think u should just decreased the spacing at 00:10:761 - since rn the spacing is rly kinda large
  3. 00:27:218 (3) - should NC for consistent
  4. 00:27:647 (2,3) - should stack there instead for consistent structrue
  5. 00:55:847 (5) - should NC here for consistent
  6. 01:02:190 (4,5,6) - 01:03:819 (4,5) - 01:05:190 (4,5) - difficulty spike here, should just stack it with the sliderend like the previous structure
  7. 01:18:475 - spacing is overdone imo, x0.7 is enough to express the music here
  8. 01:21:218 (1) - pretty unnecessary NC
  9. 01:32:875 (4,6) - 01:33:218 (8) - 01:38:361 (3,5,7) - 01:43:847 (4,6,8) - NC for emphasis
  10. 01:47:104 - NC is pretty messy here, rather NC every 2 notes or dont
  11. 01:48:475 (1,2) - u should probably make the 1/1 gap more clear since the spacing now is the same as the 1/2
  12. 02:11:018 (5) - 03:05:875 (5) - this notes seem pretty unnecessary imo since its expressing nothing, theres no sound here
  13. 02:54:647 (1) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8433199, try this, lot better then stacking
  14. 03:01:847 (3,3,3) - 03:12:818 (3,3,3) - u should NC here like wat uve done in the previous patterns 02:06:990 -
  15. 03:41:104 (4) - should be NC on here instead of 03:40:418 (1) - to stay consistent with this part
  16. 04:20:704 (3) - NC
  17. 04:38:875 (3,5,7) - keep NC for consistent
  18. 04:54:990 (1,2,3,4,5) - inconsistent spaicng
Topic Starter
MaridiuS

SnowNiNo_ wrote:

M4M
  • [Dance]
  1. 00:09:733 (1,2,3) - inconsistent spacing, there isnt specific sound here dat need to used differnet spacing to express increased it a bit to follow the increase of intensity of vocals.
  2. 00:19:333 - lower spacing at the intense part conpare with 00:10:761 - , i think u should just decreased the spacing at 00:10:761 - since rn the spacing is rly kinda large made em the same, increased one, decreased other.
  3. 00:27:218 (3) - should NC for consistent done
  4. 00:27:647 (2,3) - should stack there instead for consistent structrue stacking it feels weird, used 0.1 to make it not look weird
  5. 00:55:847 (5) - should NC here for consistent hm now that i took a look i fked up some NCing, will fix.
  6. 01:02:190 (4,5,6) - 01:03:819 (4,5) - 01:05:190 (4,5) - difficulty spike here, should just stack it with the sliderend like the previous structure not sure what you mean by placing on slider end like previous structure, but diff spike is intended.
  7. 01:18:475 - spacing is overdone imo, x0.7 is enough to express the music here did 0.9x instead
  8. 01:21:218 (1) - pretty unnecessary NC fixed
  9. 01:32:875 (4,6) - 01:33:218 (8) - 01:38:361 (3,5,7) - 01:43:847 (4,6,8) - NC for emphasis
  10. 01:47:104 - NC is pretty messy here, rather NC every 2 notes or dont keeping, because 1,2,3,4 contains kicks.
  11. 01:48:475 (1,2) - u should probably make the 1/1 gap more clear since the spacing now is the same as the 1/2 its not the same it even got lowered, and if you can't read this 1/1 gap then there's something wrong with the player ;d
  12. 02:11:018 (5) - 03:05:875 (5) - this notes seem pretty unnecessary imo since its expressing nothing, theres no sound here there is a sound there, and i planned on it to express nothing, just to be a filler somewhat, giving emphasis on the decrease of slider speed and 3stack.
  13. 02:54:647 (1) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8433199, try this, lot better then stacking alright did something
  14. 03:01:847 (3,3,3) - 03:12:818 (3,3,3) - u should NC here like wat uve done in the previous patterns 02:06:990 - was i always this bad in NCing lol
  15. 03:41:104 (4) - should be NC on here instead of 03:40:418 (1) - to stay consistent with this part fixed
  16. 04:20:704 (3) - NC yes
  17. 04:38:875 (3,5,7) - keep NC for consistent mm don't want to here, something else is getting emphasized here.
  18. 04:54:990 (1,2,3,4,5) - inconsistent spaicng what the actual fuck
thanks for the mod.
Naxess
Greetings


  • [General]
  1. So for metadata people usually use the vocalist as the artist, so in this case the artist would be nomico. Refer to the official website.
  2. soft-hitnormal8.wav and soft-hitwhistle8.wav are unused. If you're not going to be using them I'd suggest removing them.
  3. normal-hitwhistle11.wav, soft-hitnormal3.wav and soft-hitnormal6.wav have >5 ms delays, might want to cut to where they start with something like audacity.

    [Dance]
  4. 00:09:904 (3,1) - Could keep this straight like the other streams were done for visual consistency.
  5. 00:09:733 (1,2,3) - Could also avoid this overlap probably, doesn't look very visually pleasing.
  6. 00:14:018 (2,3,4,10,11,1) - Is the spacing between streams consistent? Looks like these two are different despite the first circle being stacked here. If it's increasing in intensity then same should probably go for 00:15:904 (5,6,7,8) - or whatnot. tbh I'd just suggest for it to be the same, unless it's really noticeable there's no need to gradually increase the spacing like this, especially not for single instances.
  7. 00:20:361 (5) - Slider here seems strange, as nothing is really changing in the song compared to when it was just circles. Would just replace it with two circles to continue the pattern and avoid 00:20:447 - being skipped, as players are likely to just keep holding the key from that note on.
  8. 00:33:046 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - So I like the idea for these patterns but it would probably reflect the pitch better if 00:33:733 (1,2) - was the climax instead of 00:33:046 (1,2) - , as it's starting off weak.
  9. 00:42:647 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I noticed a lot of these patterns aren't really straight visually. Pretty sure things would look neater and more structured if the circles held some linear relation to each other like most other things seem to do.
  10. 00:44:018 (1,2,3,4) - 00:46:761 (1,2,3,4) - Probably a good idea to keep spacing consistent throughout patterns like these. Especially considering how 00:46:933 (2,3) - is currently larger than 00:47:104 (3,4) - despite (4) having the vocal on it. Generally the less you space things like 00:46:761 (1,2) - , the more powerful actual jumps become in comparison due to contrast.
  11. 00:49:333 (8,1,2) - This looks a bit odd aesthetically, something like 00:50:704 (1,2,3,4,5) - looks a lot cleaner. Additionally, why is 00:49:504 (1,2,3) - so different from 00:50:704 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - ? The others seem to have a defined pattern but not this first one.
  12. 01:00:475 - There's something weird about the structure here. So considering that 01:01:675 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - is basically a flipped version of 01:03:047 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , and that's a flipped version of 01:04:418 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , I'd say 01:00:475 (1,2,3,4) - is what is out of pattern. Could solve that by flipping 01:01:675 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - over and then adjusting for rhythm, sort of like this. That way all repeating vocals here will be matched by a respective repeating pattern in the map.
  13. 01:07:675 (3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) - So from here spacing is starting to get a little crazy. I realize intensity is getting higher in the background, and increasing spacing does make sense in that regard, but the way it's executed here kills the contrast that each jump should have in turn. Jumps like 01:08:018 (5,6) - are really large and basically overemphasize the sounds. Compare the spacing to something like 01:06:304 (2,3) - or 01:06:990 (5,6) - , which are stronger, for example.

    This is recurring issue in the map as far as I've seen; individually, spacing is fine, but contrast suffers because of the way it's done as a whole. By increasing the base spacing this much, it's hard to differentiate weaker sounds from stronger sounds as easily, which is generally bad. Usually maps would have frequent smaller spacings in between to build contrast properly, for example for 01:06:475 (3,4) - or 00:59:447 (2,3) - . Anyway this probably mostly has to do with the constant beats that the song has, which, if focused on too much, makes things monotonous and jump-heavy. In worst-case scenario you'll also end up skipping distinct vocals that are off-beat, for instance.

  14. 01:11:447 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - So the first two combos and the other two, 01:14:018 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - , are pretty different both in spacing and rhythm. Would be cool imo if parts like these would appear in the same sort of patterns and just vary slightly perhaps, like the other one mentioned.
  15. 01:17:447 - The way this is skipped, but 01:18:133 - is emphasized through the insane spacing at 01:17:790 (5,6,1) - , makes the emphasis feel a bit inconsistent. Could otherwise try something along the lines of 01:19:675 (1,2,3,4) - .
  16. 01:47:447 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - Would be interesting if the snares could stand out more in some way, maybe Ctrl G 01:47:618 (2,3) - and 01:48:133 (1,2) - . Additionally, could start the new combo on 01:47:961 - instead of 01:48:133 - , as 01:47:447 (1,2,3) - 01:47:961 (4,1,2) - are grouped in the song.
  17. 01:49:847 - This section is mostly following the drums which makes it a bit repetitive and monotonous in rhythm, could try following vocals at parts, like swapping 01:50:875 (5,1) - 01:56:190 (5,6) - rhythmically. Accentuating things like 01:52:418 - 01:52:761 - 02:03:390 - etc. There's no need to do so when a slider is followed by a stream, as ending sliders on strong beats can be used for switching instrumental layer. Just feels a bit unnecessary to do so when it's all just the same beat over and over. Atm it just feels like sliders and circles are switched between a bit randomly just to be there rather than to follow the song, even if the intention may have been different.
  18. 01:53:961 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - 01:56:704 (1,2,3,4) - 01:58:075 (1,2,3,4) - 01:59:447 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - These are overall pretty weak and makes 02:00:475 (3,4,5,6,1) - lose contrast, but I'm guessing it is to add variety. Only problem here is that they're a bit randomly placed on the timeline and they're not really following any pattern in that regard from what I can see. Later on they're used as triples as well without anything really changing in the song. Basically try arranging things in patterns rhythmically, so perhaps the first and third measures are identical but first has a triple and fourth has a longer stream, etc, just so things become a bit more recognizable and feel like it's actually meant to be there rather than just being added for variety here and there.
  19. 02:11:447 (9) - Could NC this to represent a transition.
  20. 02:54:904 - 1/4 is ignored here. Would turn 02:54:818 (2,3) - into a triple so it's presented differently from 02:54:647 (1) - in accordance with the song.
  21. 03:10:933 (1) - There's a bit too many different sliders going on here, would try incorporating this into 03:11:104 (2,3) - . Then NC the snares as to separate the groups.
  22. 03:50:533 (1,2,3,4) - 03:51:390 (5,6,7) - So from here on it's mostly just about spacing and contrast. If you're aiming to emphasize things like 03:51:047 - 03:51:733 - , spacing should preferably reflect that in some way rather than becoming lower. There's also the concern that things are getting more and more random as spacing increases. Preferably all objects should be visually supported and included in some kind of visual pattern or whatnot, but here circles are seemingly just placed after spacing and sharp flow than anything else. Even star patterns like 03:54:818 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - aren't balanced very well. This applies especially for 04:01:504 - .
  23. Things like vocals could be emphasized at 04:04:761 - etc. Think I've already mentioned most things so won't go into much more detail.
  24. 04:32:523 (2) - Over 5 ms unsnapped, nudge it a bit on the timeline and it'll snap into place.

    So overall I think it would be great if some more contrast could be made so not everything is high spacing all the time. It'd be a good idea to make some parts lower spacing so that others can stand out more. Hardstyle and hardcore maps usually have strong and constant beats, but prioritizing them too much would make things repetitive in rhythm, so I'd suggest focusing a bit more on vocals and trying to make the rhythm more elaborate. For example swapping 04:12:990 (4,5) - rhythmically or accentuating 04:15:733 - more, not just having all sliders on white ticks.


Anyway I probably won't be nominating the map, but after this it'll be rankable at least. Also some pointers to what I think other nominators would notice.
Topic Starter
MaridiuS

Naxess wrote:

Greetings


  • [General]
  1. So for metadata people usually use the vocalist as the artist, so in this case the artist would be nomico. Refer to the official website.
  2. soft-hitnormal8.wav and soft-hitwhistle8.wav are unused. If you're not going to be using them I'd suggest removing them.
  3. normal-hitwhistle11.wav, soft-hitnormal3.wav and soft-hitnormal6.wav have >5 ms delays, might want to cut to where they start with something like audacity.
    Alright will make nomico the artist, and probably successfully fix hitsounds.

    [Dance]
  4. 00:09:904 (3,1) - Could keep this straight like the other streams were done for visual consistency. mm alirght, guess it looks better
  5. 00:09:733 (1,2,3) - Could also avoid this overlap probably, doesn't look very visually pleasing. alright
  6. 00:14:018 (2,3,4,10,11,1) - Is the spacing between streams consistent? Looks like these two are different despite the first circle being stacked here. If it's increasing in intensity then same should probably go for 00:15:904 (5,6,7,8) - or whatnot. tbh I'd just suggest for it to be the same, unless it's really noticeable there's no need to gradually increase the spacing like this, especially not for single instances. since this timing for a 3stack is first used, I thought that minor increase in spacing will tell a bit that something is a bit different here. I hitsounded with my whistles to show what's going on.
  7. 00:20:361 (5) - Slider here seems strange, as nothing is really changing in the song compared to when it was just circles. Would just replace it with two circles to continue the pattern and avoid 00:20:447 - being skipped, as players are likely to just keep holding the key from that note on. mm its a bit different, it looks weirder imo to keep 6 circles there, when i want the stream to be like 180degree turn and have something good on the overlap.
  8. 00:33:046 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - So I like the idea for these patterns but it would probably reflect the pitch better if 00:33:733 (1,2) - was the climax instead of 00:33:046 (1,2) - , as it's starting off weak. oh that's a nice catch, now the question is how much to nerf 00:33:046 (1,2)
  9. 00:42:647 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I noticed a lot of these patterns aren't really straight visually. Pretty sure things would look neater and more structured if the circles held some linear relation to each other like most other things seem to do. i need a ruler.
  10. 00:44:018 (1,2,3,4) - 00:46:761 (1,2,3,4) - Probably a good idea to keep spacing consistent throughout patterns like these. Especially considering how 00:46:933 (2,3) - is currently larger than 00:47:104 (3,4) - despite (4) having the vocal on it. Generally the less you space things like 00:46:761 (1,2) - , the more powerful actual jumps become in comparison due to contrast. will adjust.
  11. 00:49:333 (8,1,2) - This looks a bit odd aesthetically, something like 00:50:704 (1,2,3,4,5) - looks a lot cleaner. Additionally, why is 00:49:504 (1,2,3) - so different from 00:50:704 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - ? The others seem to have a defined pattern but not this first one. the first one contains different rhythm, and a bit less intensity on the song, than the other 3 patterns. But I think it look nice aesthetically, not sure what would make it unappealing.
  12. 01:00:475 - There's something weird about the structure here. So considering that 01:01:675 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - is basically a flipped version of 01:03:047 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , and that's a flipped version of 01:04:418 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , I'd say 01:00:475 (1,2,3,4) - is what is out of pattern. Could solve that by flipping 01:01:675 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - over and then adjusting for rhythm, sort of like this. That way all repeating vocals here will be matched by a respective repeating pattern in the map. hmm i kinda intended the first pattern to be more different, and out of the pattern, maybe I could make it be more similar, but I don't really want it to be identical.
  13. 01:07:675 (3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) - So from here spacing is starting to get a little crazy. I realize intensity is getting higher in the background, and increasing spacing does make sense in that regard, but the way it's executed here kills the contrast that each jump should have in turn. Jumps like 01:08:018 (5,6) - are really large and basically overemphasize the sounds. Compare the spacing to something like 01:06:304 (2,3) - or 01:06:990 (5,6) - , which are stronger, for example. adjusted spacings to make more contrast ( I HOPE )

    This is recurring issue in the map as far as I've seen; individually, spacing is fine, but contrast suffers because of the way it's done as a whole. By increasing the base spacing this much, it's hard to differentiate weaker sounds from stronger sounds as easily, which is generally bad. Usually maps would have frequent smaller spacings in between to build contrast properly, for example for 01:06:475 (3,4) - or 00:59:447 (2,3) - . Anyway this probably mostly has to do with the constant beats that the song has, which, if focused on too much, makes things monotonous and jump-heavy. In worst-case scenario you'll also end up skipping distinct vocals that are off-beat, for instance. I'll take a look over in the map and spot such errors.

  14. 01:11:447 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - So the first two combos and the other two, 01:14:018 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - , are pretty different both in spacing and rhythm. Would be cool imo if parts like these would appear in the same sort of patterns and just vary slightly perhaps, like the other one mentioned. will adjust, wanted to go for some diversity, but I guess i went too diverse here.
  15. 01:17:447 - The way this is skipped, but 01:18:133 - is emphasized through the insane spacing at 01:17:790 (5,6,1) - , makes the emphasis feel a bit inconsistent. Could otherwise try something along the lines of 01:19:675 (1,2,3,4) - . adjusted 01:17:790 (5,6,1), but will keep 01:17:447 since i really like how it plays, till i become brave enough to remap it :(
  16. 01:47:447 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - Would be interesting if the snares could stand out more in some way, maybe Ctrl G 01:47:618 (2,3) - and 01:48:133 (1,2) - . Additionally, could start the new combo on 01:47:961 - instead of 01:48:133 - , as 01:47:447 (1,2,3) - 01:47:961 (4,1,2) - are grouped in the song. your pattern suggestion is neat, and fits the section, however in the map i usually give emphasis to kicks, so giving them here 0 emphasis could make a contrast, and that would be unwanted, no?
  17. 01:49:847 - This section is mostly following the drums which makes it a bit repetitive and monotonous in rhythm, could try following vocals at parts, like swapping 01:50:875 (5,1) - 01:56:190 (5,6) - rhythmically. Accentuating things like 01:52:418 - 01:52:761 - 02:03:390 - etc. There's no need to do so when a slider is followed by a stream, as ending sliders on strong beats can be used for switching instrumental layer. Just feels a bit unnecessary to do so when it's all just the same beat over and over. Atm it just feels like sliders and circles are switched between a bit randomly just to be there rather than to follow the song, even if the intention may have been different. okay I will experiment with your rhythm suggestion a bit.
  18. 01:53:961 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - 01:56:704 (1,2,3,4) - 01:58:075 (1,2,3,4) - 01:59:447 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - These are overall pretty weak and makes 02:00:475 (3,4,5,6,1) - lose contrast, but I'm guessing it is to add variety. Only problem here is that they're a bit randomly placed on the timeline and they're not really following any pattern in that regard from what I can see. Later on they're used as triples as well without anything really changing in the song. Basically try arranging things in patterns rhythmically, so perhaps the first and third measures are identical but first has a triple and fourth has a longer stream, etc, just so things become a bit more recognizable and feel like it's actually meant to be there rather than just being added for variety here and there. I'll see if i can think of a better patterning to represent the streams/triples, but overall they feel floaty and I don't think they actually have a consistent place rhythmically.
  19. 02:11:447 (9) - Could NC this to represent a transition. applied
  20. 02:54:904 - 1/4 is ignored here. Would turn 02:54:818 (2,3) - into a triple so it's presented differently from 02:54:647 (1) - in accordance with the song. I don't want to add a generic tripple here, I wanted to add 30 degree rotated sliders to introduce a change in music and begin a new section.
  21. 03:10:933 (1) - There's a bit too many different sliders going on here, would try incorporating this into 03:11:104 (2,3) - . Then NC the snares as to separate the groups.
  22. 03:50:533 (1,2,3,4) - 03:51:390 (5,6,7) - So from here on it's mostly just about spacing and contrast. If you're aiming to emphasize things like 03:51:047 - 03:51:733 - , spacing should preferably reflect that in some way rather than becoming lower. There's also the concern that things are getting more and more random as spacing increases. Preferably all objects should be visually supported and included in some kind of visual pattern or whatnot, but here circles are seemingly just placed after spacing and sharp flow than anything else. Even star patterns like 03:54:818 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - aren't balanced very well. This applies especially for 04:01:504 - . will do some remapping.
  23. Things like vocals could be emphasized at 04:04:761 - etc. Think I've already mentioned most things so won't go into much more detail. yes
  24. 04:32:523 (2) - Over 5 ms unsnapped, nudge it a bit on the timeline and it'll snap into place. yes

    So overall I think it would be great if some more contrast could be made so not everything is high spacing all the time. It'd be a good idea to make some parts lower spacing so that others can stand out more. Hardstyle and hardcore maps usually have strong and constant beats, but prioritizing them too much would make things repetitive in rhythm, so I'd suggest focusing a bit more on vocals and trying to make the rhythm more elaborate. For example swapping 04:12:990 (4,5) - rhythmically or accentuating 04:15:733 - more, not just having all sliders on white ticks.I in fact noticed that it should be done like that after going through the map many times, but i was seriously wondering when will somebody actually point it out, thanks for doing that, will adjust. I will try to bring more contrast to the map.


Anyway I probably won't be nominating the map, but after this it'll be rankable at least. Also some pointers to what I think other nominators would notice. Not nominating but really improving the quality of the map, after I do some more adjustments especially. Really appreciated, thanks for the mod, helped me a lot.
Mir
12:03 MaridiuS: ugh mir if you have or find time could you check my map, my friend told me to gather opinions on the map, one BN said it should be rankable after I apply something
12:03 MaridiuS: looking for more opinions xd
12:04 Mir: lemme finish up here
12:04 MaridiuS: alright
12:04 MaridiuS: you modding the map i modded?
12:04 Mir: you modded this?
12:05 MaridiuS: by walter?
12:05 Mir: ye
12:05 Mir: seems like you did
12:05 MaridiuS: whats your opinion on that map
12:06 Mir: i quite like it
12:06 Mir: but i agree it's repetitive
12:06 Mir: i suggested to him some ways to make it less boring
12:06 Mir: changing some rhythm for contrasting purposes
12:06 MaridiuS: yeah the patterns are nice
12:06 MaridiuS: but he needs more of em
12:08 MaridiuS: imma try remapping a section, seems like i need to remap like 30 secs
12:09 Mir: alright
13:46 MaridiuS: mm
13:46 MaridiuS: think its done ye
13:46 MaridiuS: just to rethitsound
13:46 Mir: should i wait more or?
13:47 MaridiuS: wait 3 mins
13:47 Mir: kk
13:49 MaridiuS: alright
13:49 MaridiuS: its ready
13:49 MaridiuS: submitting
13:51 *MaridiuS is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1304748 nomico - Lost Emotion (Amane UK Hardcore Remix) [Dance]]
13:51 Mir: k one sec
13:56 Mir: hmm can you not use a custom hitnormal for all notes
13:56 Mir: 00:00:133 - from here it's the clicky one
13:56 MaridiuS: normal-hitnormal?
13:56 Mir: players generally want to use their own so i recommend just getting rid of it
13:56 Mir: ye
13:57 MaridiuS: so basically use it never? ;d
13:57 Mir: no just not on every note
13:57 Mir: 00:22:075 - here's fine
13:57 Mir: the hitnormal isn't custom
13:57 Mir: but before it it is
13:57 Mir: and it's kinda jarring cuz it stands out a lot
13:58 MaridiuS: ah i see
13:58 MaridiuS: alright, will delete normal-hitnormal xd
13:58 MaridiuS: i don't find much difference between kicks
13:58 Mir: /shrug it's just for player convenience
13:58 Mir: 00:41:875 (8,1) - i don't think this needs a jump
13:59 Mir: a direction change that harsh has a lot of emphasis anyways
13:59 MaridiuS: so either make the direction change more pleasant
13:59 Mir: how about this http://i.imgur.com/p0PvT9d.jpg
14:00 Mir: i just moved both closer xD
14:01 MaridiuS: mm okay like the suggestion
14:01 MaridiuS: will apply and experiment later ;d
14:02 Mir: 00:58:161 (4) - not necesary? o.o
14:02 Mir: the triple in the song isn't so prominent therei mo
14:03 MaridiuS: well i made it stacked so hmm
14:04 MaridiuS: but i think i should remove it to give more emphasis on the vocals
14:05 Mir: thats what i was thinking too
14:05 Mir: it kinda dilutes it a bit
14:06 Mir: 01:11:790 (2,3,4) - the angle this 2>3>4 is is kinda weird
14:06 MaridiuS: and spacing the slider more than the stacked 2 stack would be strongly out of place
14:07 MaridiuS: I found that part to be a bit more influental, so i did the unusual flow there
14:07 MaridiuS: compared to other similar patterns
14:08 MaridiuS: since the first part of the last dance heaven is more vocal driven than techno and that's my logic xd
14:08 Mir: 01:13:418 (5,6) - these are all fairly intuitive tho
14:09 MaridiuS: fine, fixed ;d
14:10 Mir: 01:16:933 (2) - shouldn't nc be here
14:10 MaridiuS: ugh i thought a bit about it
14:10 MaridiuS: and idk if I should do 2 ncs or keep 01:16:590 (1) - in old combo
14:10 MaridiuS: since it got emphasis
14:11 MaridiuS: oh wait I did a 1/4 jump
14:11 MaridiuS: 01:16:590 (1,2) - is this 1/4 gap okay xd
14:11 MaridiuS: lets say 01:16:933 (2) - needs emphasis
14:11 Mir: miiiiight be a bit unexpected
14:11 Mir: if you ctrl+g 01:16:933 (1) - it may be better
14:12 Mir: i mean
14:12 Mir: well i nc'd it cuz i got triggered
14:12 Mir: but the note after the 1/4 jump xD
14:12 MaridiuS: mehh think its fine
14:12 MaridiuS: will get a testplay or two
14:12 MaridiuS: if I spot 100's than will fix xd
14:12 MaridiuS: then*
14:12 Mir: fair enough i suppose
14:13 Mir: 01:25:161 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - oh these are really high spacing jumps o.o
14:13 MaridiuS: ugh nerfin
14:14 MaridiuS: rip 0.01* lul
14:14 Mir: 01:31:504 (2,3,4,5) -
14:14 Mir: 01:36:990 (2) - why did it go away here o.o
14:15 MaridiuS: 01:37:333 (1,2) - to emphasize the kicks here
14:15 Mir: hmm okay
14:15 Mir: 01:39:561 (1) - i'd extend this all the way to the blue tick
14:16 MaridiuS: I wanted more dense rhythm on that, probox came up with this and i liked it xd
14:16 Mir: probox
14:17 Mir: ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhok
14:17 MaridiuS: rofl
14:19 Mir: these are some
14:19 Mir: really interesting sliders
14:19 Mir: 02:58:418 (1) - i like this on
14:20 Mir: but look
14:20 Mir: right in the middle http://i.imgur.com/XNjMFWl.png
14:20 MaridiuS: ahah what the fuck
14:20 MaridiuS: ahhaha
14:21 MaridiuS: okay fixed xd
14:22 Mir: 03:57:304 (8,1,8,1) - same
14:22 Mir: 03:57:304 (8,1) - this though um..
14:22 MaridiuS: i think they're fine though they flow pleasantly
14:22 Mir: thing is you removed them in the first
14:23 Mir: so having them here is kinda wut
14:23 MaridiuS: didnt remove them yet
14:23 MaridiuS: ;3
14:23 Mir: ah
14:23 Mir: well
14:23 Mir: ok
14:23 Mir: xD
14:23 Mir: 03:58:761 (1,2,3,4) - please buffer these to have 1/4 gaps
14:23 MaridiuS: will see if I can think of pleasent flow
14:23 Mir: 04:04:418 (2) - isn't this also really highly spaced for this part
14:24 MaridiuS: ugh imo thats the most prominant thing in the section
14:24 MaridiuS: so i gave it the highest spacing
14:25 MaridiuS: which red ticks don't contain
14:25 MaridiuS: other than intense vocals it has a kick also added
14:25 Mir: to me 04:04:761 (4) - is the most prominent
14:25 Mir: also kicks are all on whites 04:04:247 (1,3) -
14:25 Mir: 04:04:418 (2) - has only a hihat and a vocal on it
14:26 MaridiuS: what the fuck am i stupid
14:26 MaridiuS: maybe i put accidentaly a hitnormal instead whistle
14:26 MaridiuS: both are on W xd
14:26 MaridiuS: okay will adjust
14:26 Mir: alright
14:26 Mir: 04:23:447 - seems like a lot of circles
14:27 Mir: i think for these parts 04:25:505 (1,2) - you can make it a slider
14:27 Mir: just to let the player regain some stamina
14:28 MaridiuS: Hmm think its fine, its 175 bpm, and they have one slider. I don't want to sacrifice following the song for some stamina, playability.
14:28 MaridiuS: Did the favor of doing comfy flow, and 1 slider at last
14:28 MaridiuS: I've seen more circles in maps, with lower amount of stars
14:29 Mir: hmmmmm
14:29 Mir: i actually agree with you but
14:29 Mir: people might say add more sliders
14:29 Mir: anyways it's minor to me
14:29 Mir: 04:50:533 (1,2,3,4) - shouldn't these be 1/4 slidesr
14:29 MaridiuS: naxess said he liked the concept
14:30 MaridiuS: ugh my idea was for that, since the rhythm is denser than the start to keep em in stream form
14:30 Mir: i don't really hear 1/4 there
14:30 MaridiuS: but kicksliders would fit now that I think about it more
14:31 MaridiuS: its hearable on 25% speed
14:31 MaridiuS: not with hitsounds i think really
14:31 Mir: i'd do 1/4 sliders xd
14:31 Mir: but yea
14:31 MaridiuS: will do yea
14:31 Mir: that seems to be all
14:32 Mir: hardcore music eee

We talked about some things, quick check thingy.
Shiirn
00:20:361 (5) - Just make this two notes.

01:00:818 (2,3,4) - Remember the whole "pattern" thing? well, this isn't fitting the pattern of all the segments after it. This combo is the start of the musical and vocal pattern that you represent with this setup: 01:03:047 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , but it's completely different here.

01:16:933 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - These have a sharp angle after the slider's momentum to hit the following two notes, but 01:19:675 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - are less so, with the final one being... relatively natural. Consistency would help here.

01:25:161 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - these would probably work better as triples with the last click being a 1/4 slider, rather than outright 4-4-4-3, as it makes it pretty awkward.

01:31:904 (5) - This doesn't really need a repeat, does it?
01:42:876 (5) - ^etc

04:02:704 (7,8,1) - vs 04:05:447 (7,1,2,3) - , pick one and stick with it


I didn't do a really exhaustive or more than a surface check because I don't really like this map due to its reliance on massive 1-2 barely structured jumps for most of the buildups and non-wub choruses. It's artificial and straining when the wub sections are hard enough.
Topic Starter
MaridiuS

Shiirn wrote:

00:20:361 (5) - Just make this two notes. nuu, really like how the 1/4 slider fits there.

01:00:818 (2,3,4) - Remember the whole "pattern" thing? well, this isn't fitting the pattern of all the segments after it. This combo is the start of the musical and vocal pattern that you represent with this setup: 01:03:047 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , but it's completely different here. mm alright will change the first pattern, guess the difference between sounds is not obvious enough to have different patterning

01:16:933 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - These have a sharp angle after the slider's momentum to hit the following two notes, but 01:19:675 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - are less so, with the final one being... relatively natural. Consistency would help here. adjusted

01:25:161 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - these would probably work better as triples with the last click being a 1/4 slider, rather than outright 4-4-4-3, as it makes it pretty awkward. nah, i emphasize white ticks because of the finish, having them on triples emphasizes nothing.

01:31:904 (5) - This doesn't really need a repeat, does it? i'll keep, its okay to have it on, ending on the 1/3 feels weird
01:42:876 (5) - ^etc

04:02:704 (7,8,1) - vs 04:05:447 (7,1,2,3) - , pick one and stick with it


I didn't do a really exhaustive or more than a surface check because I don't really like this map due to its reliance on massive 1-2 barely structured jumps for most of the buildups and non-wub choruses. It's artificial and straining when the wub sections are hard enough. idk though its a techno/hardcore song, repetetive 1-2 jumps imo fit in this map. Since there are a lot of them, structuring them perfectly and accordingly will result in a rather boring map.
thanks for the mod.
walter85
Hi! From my queue

Honestly I think the map is very close to getting ranked, therefore I'll point out mostly subjective or aesthetic things
Sorry if it might be useless

AiMod says there are some unsnapped object, but you just have to move them a bit in the timeline and they'll fix themselves

00:00:304 (3,4,5) - Isn't their spacing a bit too much compared to the other kicksliders in the same section? I'd reduce it a bit
00:33:390 (1) - I think removing nc here would make the pattern follow the melody better, since its pitch goes upwards for the first 4 notes and then it starts descending gradually, I think it fits better
00:36:134 (1) - same here, just these two since the next one follows the drums. Same thing happens to the last kiai, be sure to change them too if you do so
01:03:819 (4,5) - plz move it so that it overlaps 1's tail
01:31:675 (3) - Maybe nc to indicate 1/3 here? These can be a bit tricky to sight-read
01:42:647 (3) - same here, same thing applies for all 1/3 patterns like this if you change them
01:47:961 (4) - I think 1-2-3 1-2-3 comboing here would fit better
02:05:104 (1,2,3) - This part has a very weird flow, one suggestion would be to ctrl+g (2) or maybe ctrl+g (3) and (4). It doesn't play well the way it is now imo
02:56:875 (1) - Maybe make the last part of the slider parallel to the first, it'll look better imo. You could also make the angle on the first red anchor sharper and end up with something like this (it's done quickly, it can be better)
03:41:618 (4,5) - Imo it would fit better if you overlap 4 and 5 instead of 5 and 6
03:49:161 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - This can be much cleaner if you rotate it by 7°-8° each combo, i think this way would be much nicer
03:52:247 (2,1) - Nc swap would fit better, i think 1-2-3 1-2-3-4 would be more correct if you're following the vocals

That's all, good luck!
Topic Starter
MaridiuS

walter85 wrote:

Hi! From my queue

Honestly I think the map is very close to getting ranked, therefore I'll point out mostly subjective or aesthetic things
Sorry if it might be useless

AiMod says there are some unsnapped object, but you just have to move them a bit in the timeline and they'll fix themselves

00:00:304 (3,4,5) - Isn't their spacing a bit too much compared to the other kicksliders in the same section? I'd reduce it a bit meh such small spacing variety on small distances isn't really felt
00:33:390 (1) - I think removing nc here would make the pattern follow the melody better, since its pitch goes upwards for the first 4 notes and then it starts descending gradually, I think it fits better will think about it, if i could make a section similar to this one with different form of emphasis,
I'll keep it.

00:36:134 (1) - same here, just these two since the next one follows the drums. Same thing happens to the last kiai, be sure to change them too if you do so
01:03:819 (4,5) - plz move it so that it overlaps 1's tail fixed
01:31:675 (3) - Maybe nc to indicate 1/3 here? These can be a bit tricky to sight-read I don't want to nc spam that much, but noted.
01:42:647 (3) - same here, same thing applies for all 1/3 patterns like this if you change them
01:47:961 (4) - I think 1-2-3 1-2-3 comboing here would fit better i like this one more.
02:05:104 (1,2,3) - This part has a very weird flow, one suggestion would be to ctrl+g (2) or maybe ctrl+g (3) and (4). It doesn't play well the way it is now imo it is made on purpose that way, by having it that way, it shows the change in music.
02:56:875 (1) - Maybe make the last part of the slider parallel to the first, it'll look better imo. You could also make the angle on the first red anchor sharper and end up with something like this (it's done quickly, it can be better) mm modified it a bit.
03:41:618 (4,5) - Imo it would fit better if you overlap 4 and 5 instead of 5 and 6 will adjust
03:49:161 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - This can be much cleaner if you rotate it by 7°-8° each combo, i think this way would be much nicer meh, like my better.
03:52:247 (2,1) - Nc swap would fit better, i think 1-2-3 1-2-3-4 would be more correct if you're following the vocals think the nc was on accident

That's all, good luck! thanks, good mod.
dsco
overall the jumps in this map felt very inconsistent and unstructured
00:09:733 (1,2,3) - 3 has two vocal sounds but the triple only has one, i think the kickslider should be on the white tick and 3 should be where the triple is
00:22:075 - not a fan of the rhythm in this bookmark section. sometimes you follow the synth with 1/4 rhythm 00:22:075 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - but sometimes you ignore them 00:23:361 - 00:24:047 - and others. specifically 00:24:047 - is the same exact sound as 00:22:675 (5) - . other inconsistent parts are: 00:24:390 - 00:26:104 - 00:26:790 - 00:29:533
00:35:447 (3) - why switch to a slider randomly when the synth is doing the same thing here
00:36:991 (2,1) - unnecessary overlap, feels messy
01:37:161 - this should be mapped as you did the first time: 01:31:675 (3,4,5) -
01:33:390 (1) - 01:44:361 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - very rhythmically inconsistent
01:47:104 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2) - ignoring all the complex rhythms here feels very poor
01:49:847 - the 1/4 used in this section is very inconsistent and it comes off as random. 01:53:618 (6,7,8,9,1) - vs 01:50:704 (6,7,1) - are same exact background sounds, same with: 01:58:075 (1,2,3,4) - and 01:52:590 (1,2) - and many others. if you at least map 1/4 in the same places for each repeat it would be much cleaner.
02:23:961 (9) - no reason for 1/6, this should be 1/4 or 1/8
02:25:161 (7) - 1/8
02:28:075 (8,1) - there's a 1/4 you missed in between here
02:28:247 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - completely changes the structure of what you were following in the music almost at random, feels like difficulty just for sake of difficulty
02:30:990 (1) - 00:20:533 (1) - i would make these both end on red tick or both end on blue tick for consistency
02:54:818 (2) - i think this should be two circles since the blue tick has a pretty emphasized sound similar to the two circles right after
02:56:704 (7,1) - i dont think you should ignore the 1/3 for the drum sound as it feels less structured
02:59:104 (2,3,4,5) - no reason to do this, feels completely random and there's no rhythmic justification aside from doing something unique. also see: 01:28:590 (1,2,3,4) -
03:44:533 (5) - is pretty emphasized, i think it should be a jump
03:46:075 (5) - 03:47:447 (5) - doesnt need to be clickable, you use a 1/2 slider in similar places
03:48:133 (2,3) - should be 1/2 slider like the rest
03:50:190 (1,2) - why is this angled / expanded differently than the pattern you make 03:49:161 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - . also this feels quite overspaced in context
03:50:533 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - why do you ignore the background 1/4 here but not 01:16:933 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this feels like a huge oversight and poor structure
again in the final two kiais i strongly disagree with the use of 1/4 as its random and inconsistent; 04:02:704 (7,8,1) - vs 04:05:447 (7,1,2,3) - (especially 04:16:418 (7,8,1) - and 04:05:447 (7,1,2,3) -) and others..
04:06:990 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - this sectino feels poor because you build up the structure that 1/2 sliders are used during 1/1 breaks in the vocals; 04:02:018 (4,7,6,4) - which makes sliders like 04:07:675 (1) - out of place
04:20:704 (3) - NC
04:25:847 (3) - again i dont think a slider right here makes sense
04:56:361 - why do you randomly change the rhythmic structure here?

the map plays well and its shaped well, it needs work on consistency and rhythm however
Topic Starter
MaridiuS

dsco wrote:

overall the jumps in this map felt very inconsistent and unstructured dunno why you mentioning this when you just pointed out a pattern that's a bit different than usual patterning, but did not comment on main jumping kiai sections, and kick buildups.
00:09:733 (1,2,3) - 3 has two vocal sounds but the triple only has one, i think the kickslider should be on the white tick and 3 should be where the triple is 00:09:818 (2) - ugh this also is kinda vocals, so i keep the triple on the first one. Will keep third, as going to the bigger kickslider from aanother kickslider makes it emphasised better
00:22:075 - not a fan of the rhythm in this bookmark section. sometimes you follow the synth with 1/4 rhythm 00:22:075 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - but sometimes you ignore them 00:23:361 - 00:24:047 - and others. specifically 00:24:047 - is the same exact sound as 00:22:675 (5) - . other inconsistent parts are: 00:24:390 - 00:26:104 - 00:26:790 - 00:29:533 I personally don't think that its supposed to be an issue. Reasons for ignoring some beats is to give emphasis to (1) notes, and I used consistent rhythm in the section, meaning i consistently ignored same beats.
00:35:447 (3) - why switch to a slider randomly when the synth is doing the same thing here not really randomly, you could hear that it gets a bit more intense and weak on its slider end. + it gives a place for the players to rest
00:36:991 (2,1) - unnecessary overlap, feels messy not visible in gameplay.
01:37:161 - this should be mapped as you did the first time: 01:31:675 (3,4,5) - I want to emphasize the kick that happens here, but not on the first one, both rhythm are intuitive.
01:33:390 (1) - 01:44:361 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - very rhythmically inconsistent 01:44:361 - starting on here the rhythm gets denser, every white tick is either kick or snare, and i made the rhythm denser.
01:47:104 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2) - ignoring all the complex rhythms here feels very poor I don't think so, the snares and the kicks are the star of this pattern, nothing is at loud as them.
01:49:847 - the 1/4 used in this section is very inconsistent and it comes off as random. 01:53:618 (6,7,8,9,1) - vs 01:50:704 (6,7,1) - are same exact background sounds, same with: 01:58:075 (1,2,3,4) - and 01:52:590 (1,2) - and many others. if you at least map 1/4 in the same places for each repeat it would be much cleaner. the song supports it imo, as those piano sounds have rather chaotic loudness and impact, I wanted to follow it by occasionally including it. If anything, I might just delete all 1/4 timings.
02:23:961 (9) - no reason for 1/6, this should be 1/4 or 1/8 fixd
02:25:161 (7) - 1/8 aye
02:28:075 (8,1) - there's a 1/4 you missed in between here ugh its really quiet, don't want to include it.
02:28:247 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - completely changes the structure of what you were following in the music almost at random, feels like difficulty just for sake of difficulty think its fine for now, but I have an idea how to remap if I get to it.
02:30:990 (1) - 00:20:533 (1) - i would make these both end on red tick or both end on blue tick for consistency made them both on red tick.
02:54:818 (2) - i think this should be two circles since the blue tick has a pretty emphasized sound similar to the two circles right after this was ignored intentionally. I want to keep two sliders on 30degree axis before starting the section.
02:56:704 (7,1) - i dont think you should ignore the 1/3 for the drum sound as it feels less structured ugh I don't think stuff can be less structured by undermapping, and also imma quote shiirn here: Now, these are hard as fuck to emphasize so I don't blame you for stepping out and giving up. ~Shiirn
02:59:104 (2,3,4,5) - no reason to do this, feels completely random and there's no rhythmic justification aside from doing something unique. if you listen, the wubs are on blue tick. People wont really recognize the sounds from the previous dubstep section. I want to make the contrast on this part, since the part before this one is drum and bass with dense rhythm, this is pure dubstep, and i want to make it really wubby. also see: 01:28:590 (1,2,3,4) -
03:44:533 (5) - is pretty emphasized, i think it should be a jump aight thats what i noticed, will get to adjusting the section.
03:46:075 (5) - 03:47:447 (5) - doesnt need to be clickable, you use a 1/2 slider in similar places the vocalist is taking a breath, im following that xd
03:48:133 (2,3) - should be 1/2 slider like the rest The buildup starts here, so starting it with a slider could be misleading.
03:50:190 (1,2) - why is this angled / expanded differently than the pattern you make 03:49:161 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - . also this feels quite overspaced in context will nerf and adjust, I thought that the different 1-2 on the end would fit, maybe it fits the section, but it doesnt fit the map.
03:50:533 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - why do you ignore the background 1/4 here but not 01:16:933 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this feels like a huge oversight and poor structure ughhh because the section in which I ignore them has constant kicks in the background which are quite more dominant. In which they're included they aren't really dominant and frequent, in fact there are like no kicks.
again in the final two kiais i strongly disagree with the use of 1/4 as its random and inconsistent; 04:02:704 (7,8,1) - vs 04:05:447 (7,1,2,3) - (especially 04:16:418 (7,8,1) - and 04:05:447 (7,1,2,3) -) and others.. I think these smalls things are fine, they add variety in the section, as the section is really straight forward. Both are similar rhythm, you can often see dnb maps for example having 5stacks and then 4stacks on slider end.
04:06:990 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - this sectino feels poor because you build up the structure that 1/2 sliders are used during 1/1 breaks in the vocals; 04:02:018 (4,7,6,4) - which makes sliders like 04:07:675 (1) - out of place basically imma justify it in this way, that section that you linked is kinda repetitive, and I want to give in to the nature of it by doing repetitive rhythm.
04:20:704 (3) - NC yes
04:25:847 (3) - again i dont think a slider right here makes sense
04:56:361 - why do you randomly change the rhythmic structure here? It is changed in a minor fashion, all is filled, except one more thing to click. I want to make it more versatile, section is rather long, being same rhythm would be repetetive.

the map plays well and its shaped well, it needs work on consistency and rhythm however
Thanks for the mod, good modding.
Akareh
M4M
As I told you I'm not a good modder, but I've tried?
I don't really play these kinds of maps and this SR is way too much for me, so I'm mentally prepared for you to ignore everything lol

General

  1. You don't need commas on tags, those should only be separated with spaces as far as I know?
  2. You can add 秦 の こころ Hata no Kokoro and Shinkirou to tags, since this is a remix of that character's theme. Shinkirou is the romanization for the game's name. Source
  3. Source should be 東方心綺楼 ~ Hopeless Masquerade, move 東方Project to tags, I was told to do so when ranking this
Dance

  1. 00:00:990 (8,9) - I feel like the rhythm here would be better like this, but I'm 99% sure you're going to keep the stream. Consider at least making a spaced stream for emphasis, these shouldn't be the same as 00:00:818 (6,7) -. This rhythm repeats at 00:03:733 (8,9) - 00:06:475 (8,9) - and so on. If you change it here, obviously change it also at 04:45:390 onwards
  2. 00:24:047 should have a circle, it's the same sound and intensity as the rest of the triplets in this section. I figure you wanted to break the pattern for variance, but I really think consistency should reign here. I can understand skipping circles at places like 00:23:361 to keep the slider to triplet structure, but not these tbh. Same thing occurs at 00:24:390 - 00:26:790 - 00:29:533 - 00:29:875 -
  3. 00:42:218 (4) - isn't completely stacked under 00:41:618 (5) - move this stream a bit and it should be fixed easy, can't see a reason not to
  4. 00:43:504 (7) - plays really weird for me lol, after the streams and 00:43:161 (4,5,6) - I expected more intensity here, maybe move around 249|83? Or stack under 00:42:990 (3) - ? Similar issue pops up again at 04:44:875 (7) -
  5. 00:54:304 (4) - Control+g? It'd make this similar to that kinda back and forth spacing concept used at 00:51:561 (4,5) - 00:52:933 (4,5) -
  6. I know you're building up here, but 01:19:075 is really strong and should have a circle or at least a slider tail IMO
  7. 01:27:390 (4) - the slow down should start here, feels really weird to play for me rn, maybe try this rhythm? Even if there's really no sound at 01:27:475 to justify this, I think starting slowdown with a short slider would both be cool and more fitting for the song here. You could even make a gradual slowdown here, with 4 being a little faster than 5.
  8. 01:31:904 (5) - the loud wub doesn't come at 01:32:018 so I think the repeat is unnecessary. You could make a 1/4 slider at 01:32:018 to represent the growl but I'd advise you to remove this repeat since that sound and the one these 3 sliders represent should not be the same IMO. Same thing repeats at 01:42:876 (5) -
  9. 01:47:104 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2) - why aren't you using the same patterns as before? Intensity does not change anywhere until 01:48:475 (1) - and nothing in the song tells me you should change the patterns here?
  10. 02:03:904 (3) - fix blanket with 02:03:390 (7,8,1) - ?
  11. 02:33:475 (3,4) - I'd change this pattern with a bigger jump or anything more interesting than a straight line tbh. These two sounds are so strong that they should deserve more movement for emphasis. Here you have an example, don't actually follow that to a tee because that'd probably be awful, but just an idea of the kind of movement this should deserve IMO
  12. 03:25:847 (1) - fix this slider lmao
  13. 03:41:790 (5,6) - why not a use a jump here like you did at 03:39:904 (3,4) - and 03:40:590 (6,7) - ? Plays weird for me since all the similar rhythms in this section have a jump lol
  14. 03:58:075 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - move more to the right so 03:58:332 (4) - stacks under 03:57:647 (4) - and you avoid this ugly overlap? Would also help with flow between 03:57:990 (8,1) - I think
  15. 04:25:847 (3) - Control+g for flow? You've been using circular flow anti-clockwise here and it seems weird to break it now for this. If you want to keep the flow change, I'd rotate by 35 anti-clockwise so it's smoother at least. 04:28:590 (3) - plays fine 'cause you make a back and forth between 04:28:247 (1,2,3) - , but that doesn't really apply here.
  16. 04:36:818 (3) - same as ^ flow change seems too sharp, smooth by rotating the slider a bit so it's not that taxing to play

Yep, that should be all from me, gl ~
Topic Starter
MaridiuS

Akareh wrote:

M4M
As I told you I'm not a good modder, but I've tried?
I don't really play these kinds of maps and this SR is way too much for me, so I'm mentally prepared for you to ignore everything lol

General

  1. You don't need commas on tags, those should only be separated with spaces as far as I know?
  2. You can add 秦 の こころ Hata no Kokoro and Shinkirou to tags, since this is a remix of that character's theme. Shinkirou is the romanization for the game's name. Source
  3. Source should be 東方心綺楼 ~ Hopeless Masquerade, move 東方Project to tags, I was told to do so when ranking this
thanks
Dance

  1. 00:00:990 (8,9) - I feel like the rhythm here would be better like this, but I'm 99% sure you're going to keep the stream. Consider at least making a spaced stream for emphasis, these shouldn't be the same as 00:00:818 (6,7) -. This rhythm repeats at 00:03:733 I actually like the suggestion, but I prefer not to, because every red tick is hitsounded, ignoring one would feel weird. (8,9) - 00:06:475 (8,9) - and so on. If you change it here, obviously change it also at 04:45:390 onwards np when you mod, I think people remember which parts were done the same, so you gotta tell him just about one part, and if he applies, he will apply everywhere.
  2. 00:24:047 should have a circle, it's the same sound and intensity as the rest of the triplets in this section. I figure you wanted to break the pattern for variance, but I really think consistency should reign here. I can understand skipping circles at places like 00:23:361 to keep the slider to triplet structure, but not these tbh. Same thing occurs at 00:24:390 - 00:26:790 - 00:29:533 - 00:29:875 - So basically why i'm ignoring it here, is to make the jump to (1) exist, being on a slider end for a important note would not be giving judgmenet to that specific important note. I consistently ignored the beat that happens right before a NC.
  3. 00:42:218 (4) - isn't completely stacked under 00:41:618 (5) - move this stream a bit and it should be fixed easy, can't see a reason not to fixed
  4. 00:43:504 (7) - plays really weird for me lol, after the streams and 00:43:161 (4,5,6) - I expected more intensity here, maybe move around 249|83? Or stack under 00:42:990 (3) - ? Similar issue pops up again at 04:44:875 (7) - the intensity which i estimated is alright, nothing too special going on that specific note.
  5. 00:54:304 (4) - Control+g? It'd make this similar to that kinda back and forth spacing concept used at 00:51:561 (4,5) - 00:52:933 (4,5) - its pretty easy, and I want to make this pattern lightweight.
  6. I know you're building up here, but 01:19:075 is really strong and should have a circle or at least a slider tail IMO the fact that i just noticed it now, and noone else did, means that the vocals take priority and should be kept in this state ;d
  7. 01:27:390 (4) - the slow down should start here, feels really weird to play for me rn, maybe try this rhythm? Even if there's really no sound at 01:27:475 to justify this, I think starting slowdown with a short slider would both be cool and more fitting for the song here. You could even make a gradual slowdown here, with 4 being a little faster than 5. meeeh no reason think its fine
  8. 01:31:904 (5) - the loud wub doesn't come at 01:32:018 so I think the repeat is unnecessary. You could make a 1/4 slider at 01:32:018 to represent the growl but I'd advise you to remove this repeat since that sound and the one these 3 sliders represent should not be the same IMO. Same thing repeats at 01:42:876 (5) - ugh think that not having anything on this white tick would be annoying, so i did a reverse arrow ending on it.
  9. 01:47:104 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2) - why aren't you using the same patterns as before? Intensity does not change anywhere until 01:48:475 (1) - and nothing in the song tells me you should change the patterns here? ugh waah, there's kicks and snares on every red/white tick here, which is what i mapped to.
  10. 02:03:904 (3) - fix blanket with 02:03:390 (7,8,1) - ? oh fuck gotta fix sum blankets
  11. 02:33:475 (3,4) - I'd change this pattern with a bigger jump or anything more interesting than a straight line tbh. These two sounds are so strong that they should deserve more movement for emphasis. Here you have an example, don't actually follow that to a tee because that'd probably be awful, but just an idea of the kind of movement this should deserve IMO I agree that it would be nice, but it would be borderline unreadable, people even struggle to hit this.
  12. 03:25:847 (1) - fix this slider lmao fixd
  13. 03:41:790 (5,6) - why not a use a jump here like you did at 03:39:904 (3,4) - and 03:40:590 (6,7) - ? Plays weird for me since all the similar rhythms in this section have a jump lol will fix
  14. 03:58:075 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - move more to the right so 03:58:332 (4) - stacks under 03:57:647 (4) - and you avoid this ugly overlap? Would also help with flow between 03:57:990 (8,1) - I think 8-1 flow is easy, and also such overlaps are not really visible in gameplay, especially related to streams, so no change. If i did it would have huge spacing.
  15. 04:25:847 (3) - Control+g for flow? You've been using circular flow anti-clockwise here and it seems weird to break it now for this. If you want to keep the flow change, I'd rotate by 35 anti-clockwise so it's smoother at least. 04:28:590 (3) - plays fine 'cause you make a back and forth between 04:28:247 (1,2,3) - , but that doesn't really apply here. meh flow break on a slider thats not far away. Its fine.
  16. 04:36:818 (3) - same as ^ flow change seems too sharp, smooth by rotating the slider a bit so it's not that taxing to play

Yep, that should be all from me, gl ~
thanks for the mod, not bad.
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