REOL - YoiYoi Kokon [Osu|CatchTheBeat] · forum

Arutsuki

Joined December 2015

Arutsuki 2017-03-04T13:50:51+00:00

nm from queue

red=unrankable

•pretty sure these should be 4 notes in 1/8 00:08:421 (2,3,4) -
•00:09:755 (1,2,3) - kinda weird for these to have higher spacing than 00:08:955 (1,2,3,4) -, the first four have a higher pitch, same here 00:12:155 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - pink combo should be lower spaced
•00:21:555 (5,6,1) - the music doesnt really support this here, they'd fit much better at 00:23:155 - or 00:23:555 (2) - since there's an actual triplet in the music there
•00:56:355 (2,2,2,2) - overmapped lol
•01:02:555 (1,2,3,4) - this would fit the music better imo, the reverse is just confusing
•note that most of these repeat trough the whole map so check for them

sergioid

•00:11:621 (2,3) - this is 1/8
•00:35:555 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - I think these should gradually decrease their spacing to match what the song does in pitch
•00:38:555 (1,2,3) - 1/8 again

mir

•nice diff :>

normal

•Don't put different SV's on a normal, ideally it should be kept around the same as distance snap.
•Distance snap should be between 0.8 and 1.3, 0.1 difference shouldn't matter that much, but being that little it should be easy to fix.
•Don't overlap stuff like 00:23:755 (3,1) - 00:27:355 (1,3) - 00:30:155 (3,1) - 00:33:355 (1,1,2) - etc. It's confusing to plebs

20 distance snap errors, fix them pls.

easy

•Note density should consist of mostly 1/1, 2/1, or slower rhythms. Stuff like 00:17:555 (2,1) - 00:31:355 (2,3) - 00:26:555 (2,3) - should be avoided on an easy.
•Same as normal, avoid alternating SV.
•00:19:355 (1) - The overlaps could be easily avoided, plus the slider itself doesnt have the prettiest shape :<
•01:10:555 (1,1,1,1) - Unnecessary NC's
•also check AiMod, not as many errors as normal but still some.

good luck

Seijiro

osu! Alumni

3,438 posts

Joined April 2013

Seijiro 2017-03-06T22:15:09+00:00

fixed first snap, thanks
Those triplets feel increasing to me: they repeat the same rhythm and each time it increases in intensity due to the repeat
the last 1/8 snap is simplified for gameplay purposes. The rhythm is complex anyway so as long as you click fast it doesn't matter exactly where. I don't plan on adding 1/8 circles anywhere for the sake of fidelity to the song, sorry.

I let Ongaku edit that 1/8 snap for me, it's pointless to send an update for such a fix anyway :p

Thanks for your mod~

Ongaku

607 posts

Joined January 2014

Topic Starter

Ongaku 2017-03-06T22:29:02+00:00

Arutsuki wrote:
nm from queue

red=unrankable
was sore
•pretty sure these should be 4 notes in 1/8 00:08:421 (2,3,4) - it was, but played really weird.
•00:09:755 (1,2,3) - kinda weird for these to have higher spacing than 00:08:955 (1,2,3,4) -, the first four have a higher pitch, same here 00:12:155 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - pink combo should be lower spaced changed
•00:21:555 (5,6,1) - the music doesnt really support this here, they'd fit much better at 00:23:155 - or 00:23:555 (2) - since there's an actual triplet in the music there changed a few things
•00:56:355 (2,2,2,2) - overmapped lol this pattern ties in both vocals and instruments
•01:02:555 (1,2,3,4) - this would fit the music better imo, the reverse is just confusing did some fixing
•note that most of these repeat trough the whole map so check for them

normal
•Don't put different SV's on a normal, ideally it should be kept around the same as distance snap. I disagree, as long as it isn't all over the place, and is just one distinct section, it should be fine.
•Distance snap should be between 0.8 and 1.3, 0.1 difference shouldn't matter that much, but being that little it should be easy to fix.
•Don't overlap stuff like 00:23:755 (3,1) - 00:27:355 (1,3) - 00:30:155 (3,1) - 00:33:355 (1,1,2) - etc. It's confusing to plebs removed overlaps

20 distance snap errors, fix them pls.

easy
•Note density should consist of mostly 1/1, 2/1, or slower rhythms. Stuff like 00:17:555 (2,1) - 00:31:355 (2,3) - 00:26:555 (2,3) - should be avoided on an easy. fixed a few, keeping 00:31:355 (2,3) - .
•Same as normal, avoid alternating SV.
•00:19:355 (1) - The overlaps could be easily avoided, plus the slider itself doesnt have the prettiest shape :<
•01:10:555 (1,1,1,1) - Unnecessary NC's aesthetics wise, its necessary. Consists with the other diffs.
•also check AiMod, not as many errors as normal but still some.

good luck

Thanks

[Exiled Wolf]

[Exiled Wolf] 2017-03-08T19:31:13+00:00

Mr.Sergio insane full when

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-03-08T20:22:36+00:00

normal

00:39:355 (3) - Don't do this
00:57:755 (1) - Would make more sense if you used the SV increase in the kiai time only
Can you like, use one coherent DS and avoid patterns like 00:38:555 (1,2,3) ?
00:40:155 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - spicing up the rhythm would be nice. feels like an easy diff here when you could have followed the vocals or added more depth to the instruments
00:37:755 (2,3) -You've used the same visual spacing as 00:34:555 (2,1) when they are different beat lengths. This is just one of the many places where reading by distance goes out the window
00:35:355 (1,2,3,4) - rhythm doesn't reflect the song imo

kds pls,

Ongaku

607 posts

Joined January 2014

Topic Starter

Ongaku 2017-03-09T03:52:26+00:00

Kisses wrote:
normal
00:39:355 (3) - Don't do this k
00:57:755 (1) - Would make more sense if you used the SV increase in the kiai time only fine
Can you like, use one coherent DS and avoid patterns like 00:38:555 (1,2,3) ? changed things
00:40:155 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - spicing up the rhythm would be nice. feels like an easy diff here when you could have followed the vocals or added more depth to the instruments did, was told to "kms"
00:37:755 (2,3) -You've used the same visual spacing as 00:34:555 (2,1) when they are different beat lengths. This is just one of the many places where reading by distance goes out the window did something
00:35:355 (1,2,3,4) - rhythm doesn't reflect the song imo it does dont worry. They were more dense before, but i made it less dense
kds pls,

k thx

Seijiro

osu! Alumni

3,438 posts

Joined April 2013

Seijiro 2017-03-11T10:16:01+00:00

[Exiled Wolf] wrote:
Mr.Sergio insane full when

That's a nice temptation

Halfslashed

Global Moderator

425 posts

Joined July 2014

Halfslashed 2017-03-13T19:15:12+00:00

Free mod.
~~Holy fuck your timeline zoom is high.~~

[Easy]
00:14:555 (1,1) - Maybe symmetry isn't the best arrangement here. I think it makes more sense for the slider ball of 00:16:155 (1) to hit the red node somewhere near 00:16:355. Maybe try a parallel arrangement instead?
00:16:155 (1) - Can't see any reason for this NC
00:17:555 (2,3,1) - Can't say I understand what's going on with the DS here. 00:14:555 (1,1,2) you make a clear switch to 1.07x DS (And it should be comprehensible), but then you switch to 0.8x and then 1.0x? This is fairly inconsistent distance, so perhaps change the DS between these objects to 1.07x?
00:19:355 (1,2) - Avoid this overlap if you can. I don't think it's the biggest deal, though it is a bit unclean.
00:22:555 (1) - Yeah I know intensity picked up and all, but I still think that NCing every measure is a bit much when you only have two objects per measure. Consider switching to a NC every two measure setup.
00:26:555 (2,1) - Two problems I have with this. First of all, this is an unexpected spacing change. Second, you didn't set up 1/2 repeats properly, since you didn't introduce any repeats other than this, and 1/2 is already really fast to comprehend for new players. If you're going to keep this rhythm, you should introduce a repeat of 1/1 or slower snap prior to this so that the player understands how repeats work.
00:48:155 (3,4,1) - Reconsider your spacing here. These are gaps between two seperate snaps and yet the spacing is extremely similar here, so I recommend making both 0.6x DS.
00:52:955 (1,2) - Why not try using circles for this? This is a less intense section, and circles with 2/1 gaps should be less stressful for players at this level.
00:57:755 (3,1) - This 2/1 gap looks extremely similar to the 1/1 gap between 00:56:955 (2,3), and is therefore pretty confusing. Create a more noticeable change here.
01:03:355 (2,1) - Nazi, but fix DS please.
01:08:155 (2,1) - As above.
01:08:955 (1,2) - I'm not entirely sure on the readability of this pattern for an Easy difficulty. Please get some more opinions on this.

[Normal]
00:08:155 (1,2,3) - You just started the map and you have 1/2 gaps that look the same as 1/1 gaps. This is not readable for players at this level at all, and you have this problem recurring throughout most of the map. I'll point out some instances where you do this, but this highly affects readability.
00:10:955 (4,1) - You could make this a bit neater, and I think it would improve readability due to the tight visual distance between 00:10:555 (3,4,1) . Basically, move 00:11:355 (1) onto the curve created by 00:10:955 (4).
00:14:555 (1,2) - Again, I'm questioning the readability of such a pattern for a normal difficulty. Get more opinions on this.
00:15:355 (2,3) - Another instance of rapidly changing your distance to be equal to a 1/2 snap.
00:17:555 (5,1) - The visually similar spacing thing applies to stacks as well. Since you introduced a 1/1 stack at 00:09:755 (1,2), you will confuse players quite a bit with switching to 1/2 stacks. Pick one or the other for this map.
00:24:955 (2,3) - DS looks the same as 00:24:155 (1,2).
00:29:755 (2,1) - This would work much better if you didn't have 2 overlapping the tail of 1. You could just change this by increasing the DS to 1.3x for 00:29:755 (2,3) (Or just this entire section.)
00:38:555 (1,2,3) - Would be better if you found a way to not have these overlap.
00:43:355 (1,1) - Off blanket and worth mentioning that you will not be able to get a perfect blanket with just one gray node. You need two or more to do so (I prefer three).
00:48:355 (2,3,1) - Patterning is kind of ambiguous since 2 leads into 1, as opposed to 3. It's not that bad since you have the NCing, but avoid this if you can.
00:57:755 (1,1) - This overlap is something else. I mean, it's kind of neat, but you could make it neater if you made the red node of the second slider towards the center of it (and not have the tails overlap).
01:02:555 (1) - Just barely touches the top of the HP bar.
01:11:755 (1,1) - No. Get rid of this reverse arrow stack, this is unrankable.
01:22:955 (2) - Border is slightly hidden behind the head of 2, I'd make the angle created by the red node a bit wider so the player can see the slider border more clearly. Also, could you do something about the massive distance between this and 01:23:355 (1)?

Okay. So basically, you should reconsider you distance concepts. You cannot randomly change distance in similar sections in the music, and you shouldn't do it between the same snap. If it's a long time, like 2/1 or greater (for this difficulty), it's okay not to have super consistent distance, but for a section of a certain musical intensity, 1/1 spacing should be consistent, 1/2 spacing should be consistent, 3/2 spacing, etc. Additionally, none of these various distances should look extremely similar.

[Mir]
00:08:355 (2,5,1) - Could make a neat equilateral triangle here.
00:15:955 (3,2) - I don't think these fit very well, considering intensity decreases in this section. You did lower the clicking density, but you still have a continuous stream of 1/2 here in a calm part.
00:17:555 (4,1) - This would probably work better as a 1/2 stack.
00:20:555 (1,1) - What is this overlap... I'm referring particularly to how the first slider overlaps the tail of the second.
00:45:755 (3,1) - Considering that you established 1/4 perfect slider tail stacking earlier in the map, this may not be the greatest idea, but this one is more subjective since the stack is 1/1. How about using your 1/1 overlap that you used at 00:49:755 (1,2)?
01:10:555 (1,2,3,4) - A slight SV change between each slider (Maybe like 0.05x increase) would be really cool here.
01:15:555 (2,3) - There's technically a vocal syllable on 3, but it might be better to swap this out with a 1/2 slider, since the vocal syllable on 3 is really subdued compared to the previous one.

Good luck.

Mir

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2,151 posts

Joined July 2016

Mir 2017-03-13T22:25:51+00:00

Halfslashed wrote:
Free mod.
~~Holy fuck your timeline zoom is high.~~
[Mir]
00:08:355 (2,5,1) - Could make a neat equilateral triangle here. - too obscure to be noticeable imo ;-;
00:15:955 (3,2) - I don't think these fit very well, considering intensity decreases in this section. You did lower the clicking density, but you still have a continuous stream of 1/2 here in a calm part. - there are a lot more 1/1 length sliders and this is basically a first build-up into the chorus, I think it fits fine imo
00:17:555 (4,1) - This would probably work better as a 1/2 stack. - hmm I view the song as still being a quite fluid transition into the build-up so I think not having it stacked better reflects that
00:20:555 (1,1) - What is this overlap... I'm referring particularly to how the first slider overlaps the tail of the second. - idk.. I don't really get what's wrong with it
00:45:755 (3,1) - Considering that you established 1/4 perfect slider tail stacking earlier in the map, this may not be the greatest idea, but this one is more subjective since the stack is 1/1. How about using your 1/1 overlap that you used at 00:49:755 (1,2)? - yeah that's fair, done
01:10:555 (1,2,3,4) - A slight SV change between each slider (Maybe like 0.05x increase) would be really cool here. - sure, done
01:15:555 (2,3) - There's technically a vocal syllable on 3, but it might be better to swap this out with a 1/2 slider, since the vocal syllable on 3 is really subdued compared to the previous one. - I think it's fine because I want a lot of clicks here to emphasize the intensity. It's noticeable enough to justify a 1/2 circle imo so no change here ;-;

Good luck.

Thank you Halfy! <3

Update: https://puu.sh/uHxBh/c1e0963c5e.osu

Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

3,089 posts

Joined December 2014

Nao Tomori 2017-03-15T04:27:07+00:00

ongaku fix ur fkin low diffs smh my head

Anxient

1,568 posts

Joined June 2014

Anxient 2017-03-19T04:56:37+00:00

https://puu.sh/uPxbH/2a21178c7d.txt

projectile vomitting

Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

3,089 posts

Joined December 2014

Nao Tomori 2017-03-29T21:09:52+00:00

ok getting kds

SPOILER

16:32 Naotoshi: https://pastebin.com/u84Yv8Du
16:37 Ongaku: 00:13:800 (4,1) -
16:37 Ongaku: compared to my seciton
16:37 Ongaku: this is a huge jump
16:37 Ongaku: :(
16:40 Ongaku: 00:22:578 -
16:41 Naotoshi: ok ok ok
16:52 Naotoshi: 00:38:355 (1) - 
16:53 Naotoshi: 00:46:555 (1,2) - 00:48:155 (1,2) - 
16:53 Naotoshi: 00:56:955 (2,1) - 
16:54 Naotoshi: 01:07:355 (1,2,1) - 
16:55 Naotoshi: 01:10:555 (1,1,1,1) - 
16:56 Naotoshi: 00:24:955 (2,1) - 
16:57 Naotoshi: 00:47:355 (2) - 
16:57 Naotoshi: ???
16:58 Ongaku: the DS is consistent tho
16:58 Ongaku: :(
16:58 Naotoshi: 01:10:555 (1,1,1,1) - 
16:58 Ongaku: except for 00:48:155 (3) - , its a slider
17:03 Naotoshi: 00:38:355 (1) -

Pachiru

osu! Alumni

2,957 posts

Joined June 2013

Pachiru 2017-04-09T17:30:26+00:00

oaaaa that song, please rank it ongakun

JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

3,922 posts

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2017-04-15T23:15:51+00:00

chatted with Zirox, decided to buff Rain a bit to try and avoid spread issues. update below, hopefully he will mod ~~soon:tm:~~ sometime this year

Rain

osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:宵々古今
Artist:REOL
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Creator:Ongaku
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Tags:jbhyperion mrsergio mir sigma giga
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Ongaku

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Ongaku 2017-04-15T23:18:41+00:00

yay

ZiRoX

Elite Mapper

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Joined November 2009

ZiRoX 2017-04-16T15:09:14+00:00

Say hi to the nerf squad

[Rain]

I still think you could add a couple hyperdashes in the intro section. You could do so in 00:09:355 (8,1,2) - , by moving (1) to the right a bit. If the jump to 00:10:355 (2) - becomes too close to an edge dash, you can either move 00:10:355 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - to the left until the HDash is triggered, or reduce the distance and have (7) moved to the left of (6). Another place where you could add a HDash is 00:12:755 (8,1) -
00:21:955 (4,5,6) - The (4,5) distance, while not an edge dash, might not be that hard to miss. So I suggest you move (5,6) a bit to the right to about x2,0 distance.
00:29:955 (6,7) - This might be a bit hard coming out of the 1/4 HDash. Maybe you could go for something like this:
SPOILER
00:36:155 (7,8,9) - I think this movement is bit hard, with 3 direction changes ending with an 1/4 HDash. Maybe you could Ctrl+H (8) and then move it a bit to the right to trigger the HDash again, or you can also make a sort of "stair" like this (it might look similarly hard, but in this case the HDash follows the direction of the slider, as opposed to your pattern):
SPOILER
00:41:355 (6,7) - This distance being a bit larger than 00:40:955 (4,5) - already makes a difference in how tight and easy to miss the pattern feels. I'd move (7) a bit to the left (x:284 keeps both HDashes).
00:41:755 (1,2) - You could have an HDash between these because the vocal is quite strong. For this, you can move (2) a bit to the right and then Ctrl+G (3) so the distance to it doesn't become too large.
00:43:955 (2,3) - Personally I expected a 1/1 slider like the previous one.
00:46:355 (6) - I'd move this slightly to the right (x:112 maybe?) to add some leniency after the 1/4 HDash.
00:46:955 (2) - I'd move this a bit to the right too (x:168?) to add some leniency after the previous HDash and to reduce the distance for the next dash, which feels a bit large (x2,20 starts getting on the section close to an edge dash)
01:00:955 (1,2,3) - These distances feel really odd to me. I know that you tried to emphasize the downbeat at (3) with the larger distance, but the way the vocals are emphasized with the 01:00:955 (1) - slider really makes you wonder why 01:01:555 (2) - isn't emphasized as much. So basically I'd have the larger distance to (2) instead of (3), for example by moving (2) to x:228.
01:04:155 (1,2) - I think it follows both the drums and vocals better as two 1/2 sliders instead.
01:05:155 (4,5,6,1) - I feel like 3 HDashes in a row might be too much (although still rankable). I'd try to take the one between (5,6) out.
01:06:355 (2,3) - Same comment as in 01:00:955 (1,2,3) -, I'd make (1,2) larger than (2,3)
01:09:755 (4,5) - I think this requires a bit more leniency after the 1/4 HDash, so move it a bit to the right.
01:14:755 (4) - I'd slant this slider, as the whole 01:14:555 (3,4,5) - pattern feels a bit harsh (3 direction changes, including 2 within a 1/4 window ending with an 1/4 HDash). If you slant the slider you take one of those direction changes out.
01:17:555 (4) - ^Similar stuff here. And I'd put 01:17:955 (6) - a bit closer to the previous object for some leniency.
01:21:755 (1,2,3,4,5) - Wew lad. This is way overdone for a Rain. The direction changes at 01:21:755 (1,2,3) - need to be toned down a bit, maybe by making the (1) slider go right instead (with the tail being at the right of (2). 01:22:155 (3,4) - Also needs a bit of reduction in spacing for leniency.
01:26:155 (1) - I'd put this a bit closer to the center (probably within the x:400 - x:420 range) since it's quite unexpected.

[Overdose]

00:13:755 (3,4) - This distance needs to be toned down for a bit of leniency. It's really easy to miss and the CS5 doesn't help at all.
00:14:305 (8) - This is overmapped.
00:16:955 (4,5) - ^Same with this one
00:17:505 (9) - Also overmapped.
00:20:355 (5,6) - I'd put these closer by moving (5) to the right a bit. This adds leniency to the movement after the HDash and makes the 1/4 dash between the circles less tight.
00:22:155 (6,7) - There are two things I personally dislike about this pattern: the usage of 1/4 is really sudden, both comparing to the Rain and with the 2 circles right before it, and it's topped of with lots of antiflow 1/4 movement (similar as the 3 direction changes mentioned for the Rain). You can probably move (7) like the following screenshot, which makes the pattern a bit easier due to the HDash following the direction of the slider:
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00:23:355 (6,7,8) - The short 1/4 dashes might make this hard coming out of a 1/4 HDash followed by antiflow at 00:23:155 (5,6) - . I think you can move (7) a bit closer to make it a tiny bit easier. Maybe I'd also slant 00:23:355 (6) - a bit more to reduce the antiflow a bit.
00:24:555 (4,5) - I'd put them a bit closer to make it a bit more lenient. One grid space left for (4) and one grid space right for (5) keeps the HDashes.
00:29:555 (4,5,6,7,8) - I'd also try to tone this down. All the 1/4 HDashes are followed by antiflow movements, and that feels like a huge leap from the Rain. Also, I'd reduce the distance between (7,8) as the 1/4 dash + 2 direction changes + 1/4 HDash might be a bit too hard, too, in comparison to the Rain.
00:30:955 (3,4) - Reduce the distance for some leniency.
00:36:355 (6) - I'd put this to the left of (5), at x:92 or so. The pattern at 00:35:555 (2,3,4,5) - is not that easy to hit, and you top it off with a large 1/4 dash with antiflow between (6,7). If you put (6) on the left, the (5,6) movement keeps the direction of the previous HDash, making for an easier pattern.
00:37:755 (4,5,6,7) - I felt the 1/4 dashes between (4,5) and (6,7) innecessary and spiking the difficulty too much compared to the Rain. I think it plays nicer if you place them like this:
SPOILER
00:42:155 (3,4,5) - It really feels weird compared to the Rain, as in that diff you placed the dash between (3,4) instead and omitted the beat at 00:42:555 - , which in this diff has an HDash to it. It's inconsistent between both diffs, and personally I prefer the Rain approach. It's also inconsistent with 00:43:955 (4) -.
00:43:155 (7) - I'm not sure this beat is that strong to require an 1/4 HDash to it, so I'd remove it the HDash.
01:00:955 (1) - I'd slant this slider a bit more, since it's a strong antiflow movement after an 1/4 HDash and the high SV in the section might make the repeat easy to miss.
01:03:755 (9,10) - I'd reduce the distance a bit for some leniency.
01:04:155 (1) - I'd also slant this slider a bit more.
01:05:755 (1,2,3) - Same issue as mentioned for 00:42:155 (3,4,5) - , I think the (1,2) distance should be larger than (2,3).
01:05:355 (5,6) - The antiflow sliders make this feel a bit too much, and a big leap from the Rain. I'd prefer a normal flow pattern, kinda like 01:00:555 (6,7) -
01:08:355 (5,6,7) - I'd reduce the distance between these a tiny bit for leniency.
01:09:055 (2) - This is so easy to overshoot after the two 1/4 HDashes. I'd make the slider have more movement to the left.
01:09:755 (5,6,7,8) - I'd also reduce these distances. It's harder than the pattern after it, even though the "sore, sore, sore" part is more intense.
01:14:555 (4,5) - Similarly to what I suggested for 01:21:755 (1,2,3) - in the Rain, I feel like the 2 direction changes are a bit too much. I'd try to shape the slider so that it flows into (5).
01:14:955 (6,7) - In any case, I feel like this is a bit harsh coming after the previous pattern, and I'd move (7) a bit closer to the (6). Maybe stack their heads?
01:17:755 (5) - Personally I'd make this a circle. This way you place complete emphasis on the vocals instead of deviating it to a really weak sound in the background with this slider's tail.
01:19:355 (4) - ^Same
01:22:155 (3,4,5,6) - I'd reduce the non HDash distances a bit for leniency.

JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

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JBHyperion 2017-04-16T23:41:04+00:00

ZiRoX wrote:
Say hi to the nerf squad :thinking:

[Rain]
I still think you could add a couple hyperdashes in the intro section. You could do so in 00:09:355 (8,1,2) - , by moving (1) to the right a bit. If the jump to 00:10:355 (2) - becomes too close to an edge dash, you can either move 00:10:355 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - to the left until the HDash is triggered, or reduce the distance and have (7) moved to the left of (6). Another place where you could add a HDash is 00:12:755 (8,1) - I don't like a hdash here due to the pitch reduction. Downbeat or not, this doesn't feel strong enough to warrant a hdash for me
00:21:955 (4,5,6) - The (4,5) distance, while not an edge dash, might not be that hard to miss. So I suggest you move (5,6) a bit to the right to about x2,0 distance. Just moved (5) right for less of a difficulty spike overall
00:29:955 (6,7) - This might be a bit hard coming out of the 1/4 HDash. Maybe you could go for something like this:
SPOILER
I tried a less antiflowing pattern originally and it played exceptionally boring to me. 00:29:755 (5,6) - being walkable allows me to highlight the vocal switching much better without being especially punishing. I did reduce the hyper strength a little to compensate though
00:36:155 (7,8,9) - I think this movement is bit hard, with 3 direction changes ending with an 1/4 HDash. Maybe you could Ctrl+H (8) and then move it a bit to the right to trigger the HDash again, or you can also make a sort of "stair" like this (it might look similarly hard, but in this case the HDash follows the direction of the slider, as opposed to your pattern):
SPOILER
This is nice, emphasises the repetition a bit better also. Done
00:41:355 (6,7) - This distance being a bit larger than 00:40:955 (4,5) - already makes a difference in how tight and easy to miss the pattern feels. I'd move (7) a bit to the left (x:284 keeps both HDashes). Done
00:41:755 (1,2) - You could have an HDash between these because the vocal is quite strong. For this, you can move (2) a bit to the right and then Ctrl+G (3) so the distance to it doesn't become too large. Done, but had to make (3) fairly vertical to keep following patterning
00:43:955 (2,3) - Personally I expected a 1/1 slider like the previous one. Split because vocal on 00:44:355 (3) - is considerably stronger than in the previous combo
00:46:355 (6) - I'd move this slightly to the right (x:112 maybe?) to add some leniency after the 1/4 HDash. Reduced a little, though not as much as suggested as I want to keep some emphasis there
00:46:955 (2) - I'd move this a bit to the right too (x:168?) to add some leniency after the previous HDash and to reduce the distance for the next dash, which feels a bit large (x2,20 starts getting on the section close to an edge dash) Reduced by moving (1) right slightly with a previous change
01:00:955 (1,2,3) - These distances feel really odd to me. I know that you tried to emphasize the downbeat at (3) with the larger distance, but the way the vocals are emphasized with the 01:00:955 (1) - slider really makes you wonder why 01:01:555 (2) - isn't emphasized as much. So basically I'd have the larger distance to (2) instead of (3), for example by moving (2) to x:228. I had it like this originally but changed it because I wasn't sure the vocal emphasis came through that well. Open to giving it another try though I guess
01:04:155 (1,2) - I think it follows both the drums and vocals better as two 1/2 sliders instead. Slider + two 1/2 circles to keep vocal emphasis on the second half
01:05:155 (4,5,6,1) - I feel like 3 HDashes in a row might be too much (although still rankable). I'd try to take the one between (5,6) out. These vocals are equal strength, having them mapped with such different spacings feels very odd to me. I'd prefer to keep the current arrangement if possible
01:06:355 (2,3) - Same comment as in 01:00:955 (1,2,3) -, I'd make (1,2) larger than (2,3) Done
01:09:755 (4,5) - I think this requires a bit more leniency after the 1/4 HDash, so move it a bit to the right. Moved 01:09:955 (5,6,7) - right slightly
01:14:755 (4) - I'd slant this slider, as the whole 01:14:555 (3,4,5) - pattern feels a bit harsh (3 direction changes, including 2 within a 1/4 window ending with an 1/4 HDash). If you slant the slider you take one of those direction changes out.
01:17:555 (4) - ^Similar stuff here. And I'd put 01:17:955 (6) - a bit closer to the previous object for some leniency. Done
01:21:755 (1,2,3,4,5) - Wew lad. This is way overdone for a Rain. The direction changes at 01:21:755 (1,2,3) - need to be toned down a bit, maybe by making the (1) slider go right instead (with the tail being at the right of (2). 01:22:155 (3,4) - Also needs a bit of reduction in spacing for leniency. Made it more friendly for scrubs
01:26:155 (1) - I'd put this a bit closer to the center (probably within the x:400 - x:420 range) since it's quite unexpected. Alright
[Overdose]
00:13:755 (3,4) - This distance needs to be toned down for a bit of leniency. It's really easy to miss and the CS5 doesn't help at all. Nerfed it a bit for introduction's sake
00:14:305 (8) - This is overmapped. Consider it an after-effect of the sound at 00:14:255 (7) - this follows the sound much nicer as a 5plet than a triplet+1 in my opinion as with this the sounds are all "tied" together as part of the same reverberating sound, not distinctly different sounds as would be indicated by separating them
00:16:955 (4,5) - ^Same with this one I don't see how this is overmapped, there's a hyper to the drum sound and a 1/2 gap to the percussion sound
00:17:505 (9) - Also overmapped. As previously
00:20:355 (5,6) - I'd put these closer by moving (5) to the right a bit. This adds leniency to the movement after the HDash and makes the 1/4 dash between the circles less tight. Opted to weaken 00:19:955 (3,4) - instead
00:22:155 (6,7) - There are two things I personally dislike about this pattern: the usage of 1/4 is really sudden, both comparing to the Rain and with the 2 circles right before it, and it's topped of with lots of antiflow 1/4 movement (similar as the 3 direction changes mentioned for the Rain). You can probably move (7) like the following screenshot, which makes the pattern a bit easier due to the HDash following the direction of the slider:
SPOILER
Okay sure, serves as a bit better introduction I guess
00:23:355 (6,7,8) - The short 1/4 dashes might make this hard coming out of a 1/4 HDash followed by antiflow at 00:23:155 (5,6) - . I think you can move (7) a bit closer to make it a tiny bit easier. Maybe I'd also slant 00:23:355 (6) - a bit more to reduce the antiflow a bit. Opted to weaken 00:23:155 (5,6) - slightly instead
00:24:555 (4,5) - I'd put them a bit closer to make it a bit more lenient. One grid space left for (4) and one grid space right for (5) keeps the HDashes. Made them the same as the reformed 00:22:155 (6,7) - for consistency, reduced a tiny bit
00:29:555 (4,5,6,7,8) - I'd also try to tone this down. All the 1/4 HDashes are followed by antiflow movements, and that feels like a huge leap from the Rain. Also, I'd reduce the distance between (7,8) as the 1/4 dash + 2 direction changes + 1/4 HDash might be a bit too hard, too, in comparison to the Rain. Tried to weaken hypers and regular spacing a little
00:30:955 (3,4) - Reduce the distance for some leniency. Done
00:36:355 (6) - I'd put this to the left of (5), at x:92 or so. The pattern at 00:35:555 (2,3,4,5) - is not that easy to hit, and you top it off with a large 1/4 dash with antiflow between (6,7). If you put (6) on the left, the (5,6) movement keeps the direction of the previous HDash, making for an easier pattern. Agrred, the additional antiflow was excessive here
00:37:755 (4,5,6,7) - I felt the 1/4 dashes between (4,5) and (6,7) innecessary and spiking the difficulty too much compared to the Rain. I think it plays nicer if you place them like this:
SPOILER
I prefer the tap dash pattern here, it follows the punchier vocal nicely and provides welcome variety
00:42:155 (3,4,5) - It really feels weird compared to the Rain, as in that diff you placed the dash between (3,4) instead and omitted the beat at 00:42:555 - , which in this diff has an HDash to it. It's inconsistent between both diffs, and personally I prefer the Rain approach. It's also inconsistent with 00:43:955 (4) -. Yeah this was really weirdly done, made it more consistent now
00:43:155 (7) - I'm not sure this beat is that strong to require an 1/4 HDash to it, so I'd remove it the HDash. Made this quite a bit simpler to aid in the "winding down" before the calm section
01:00:955 (1) - I'd slant this slider a bit more, since it's a strong antiflow movement after an 1/4 HDash and the high SV in the section might make the repeat easy to miss. Done
01:03:755 (9,10) - I'd reduce the distance a bit for some leniency. Ok
01:04:155 (1) - I'd also slant this slider a bit more. Did same change as for 01:00:955 (1) - for consistency, less horizontal now
01:05:755 (1,2,3) - Same issue as mentioned for 00:42:155 (3,4,5) - , I think the (1,2) distance should be larger than (2,3). Reversed these distances
01:05:355 (5,6) - The antiflow sliders make this feel a bit too much, and a big leap from the Rain. I'd prefer a normal flow pattern, kinda like 01:00:555 (6,7) - Fair enough, since I also have antiflow at 01:05:355 (5,6) - where it's more fitting I don't mind removing it here
01:08:355 (5,6,7) - I'd reduce the distance between these a tiny bit for leniency. Done
01:09:055 (2) - This is so easy to overshoot after the two 1/4 HDashes. I'd make the slider have more movement to the left. Done and increased SV for better curve
01:09:755 (5,6,7,8) - I'd also reduce these distances. It's harder than the pattern after it, even though the "sore, sore, sore" part is more intense. Reworked this part so it's much simpler overall for better contrast
01:14:555 (4,5) - Similarly to what I suggested for 01:21:755 (1,2,3) - in the Rain, I feel like the 2 direction changes are a bit too much. I'd try to shape the slider so that it flows into (5). Simplified this a bit so it's more flow-y and stuff
01:14:955 (6,7) - In any case, I feel like this is a bit harsh coming after the previous pattern, and I'd move (7) a bit closer to the (6). Maybe stack their heads? Fixed with the above changes
01:17:755 (5) - Personally I'd make this a circle. This way you place complete emphasis on the vocals instead of deviating it to a really weak sound in the background with this slider's tail. I prefer to keep these as sliders for consistency on mapping to the held vocal sounds, and avoid an awkward 1/2 pause
01:19:355 (4) - ^Same As above
01:22:155 (3,4,5,6) - I'd reduce the non HDash distances a bit for leniency. Done

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Overdose

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Pachiru

osu! Alumni

2,957 posts

Joined June 2013

Pachiru 2017-04-26T01:42:55+00:00

oh nooooooooooo

Aurele

osu! Alumni

7,408 posts

Joined January 2011

Aurele 2017-05-04T02:47:14+00:00

cause you only requested me to check at the normal ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Normal]

00:14:555 (1) - Awkward spacing. Make it consistent.
00:17:555 (2) - If I look to your previous objects, you were mostly using a 0.85x spacing. You should consider doing the same thing here?
00:25:355 (3) - I would rather use a normal consistent spacing with this object, it makes an awkward transition with the next circle.
00:33:355 (1,1,2) - Pretty sure you can do a better blanket here. It's looking like this right now:
picture
00:35:355 (1,2,3,4) - Might as well consider making it perfectly centered.
00:36:555 (4,1,2,3) - Revise the symmetry of these objects. (4) is not stacked with (3)
00:40:155 (1) - What is this jump for? Keep the spacing consistent.
00:41:755 (1) - Inconsistent spacing.
00:42:555 (2,1) - Awkward jump and flow. Consider doing something more beginner-friendly here. It does look good, but not for this difficulty as the spacing the not consistent and the cursor movement is awkward.
00:44:155 (2) - Inconsistent spacing.
1. 00:44:155 (2,1,2) - Actually, that's a nice thing, but you should remember that this is a normal difficulty. This kind of flow might be too extreme for beginners. Consider doing something else.
01:02:555 (1) - It would be nice if this slider was moved further down since it looks like it has the same position as 00:59:355 (1) - . It needs more 'versatility'
01:03:755 (2,1) - Not so bad, but you should consider doing something else with the emplacement and the flow of the slider (2) with the slider (1). Maybe something that would make them more connected?
01:09:755 (2,1,2,3,4,1) - You might wanna rework the emplacement of these objects a bit. Try to make it more consistent toward the spacing.
- On another note, you should be careful with the usage of kiai times, just not to overuse them!
01:13:355 (2) - The spacing with the previous and next object + the flow with the next object might be a trouble here. If you want to keep the emplacement of the slider (2), you should consider doing a CTRL+G to the next slider. The flow will be much more better.

tl:dr be careful with the SPACING and the FLOW of your objects. these are two elements that shall be revised.
you should be glad you didn't ask me to look at the other diffs

Ongaku

607 posts

Joined January 2014

Topic Starter

Ongaku 2017-05-04T21:48:14+00:00

Gabe wrote:

cause you only requested me to check at the normal ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Normal]
00:14:555 (1) - Awkward spacing. Make it consistent. Its .80, isn't it?
00:17:555 (2) - If I look to your previous objects, you were mostly using a 0.85x spacing. You should consider doing the same thing here? the ~.80 spacing was when its two measures apart. 00:17:555 (2) - lands on a 1/2, so the DS would be shorter.
00:25:355 (3) - I would rather use a normal consistent spacing with this object, it makes an awkward transition with the next circle. ok
00:33:355 (1,1,2) - Pretty sure you can do a better blanket here. It's looking like this right now:
picture
fixed
00:35:355 (1,2,3,4) - Might as well consider making it perfectly centered. It is snapped to the center, its just due to it's stacking it looks like it isnt.
00:36:555 (4,1,2,3) - Revise the symmetry of these objects. (4) is not stacked with (3) did something
00:40:155 (1) - What is this jump for? Keep the spacing consistent. fixed it
00:41:755 (1) - Inconsistent spacing. I think i fixed it.
00:42:555 (2,1) - Awkward jump and flow. Consider doing something more beginner-friendly here. It does look good, but not for this difficulty as the spacing the not consistent and the cursor movement is awkward. did something
00:44:155 (2) - Inconsistent spacing. fixed it
00:44:155 (2,1,2) - Actually, that's a nice thing, but you should remember that this is a normal difficulty. This kind of flow might be too extreme for beginners. Consider doing something else.
rearranged the pattern.
01:02:555 (1) - It would be nice if this slider was moved further down since it looks like it has the same position as 00:59:355 (1) - . It needs more 'versatility' moved it down
01:03:755 (2,1) - Not so bad, but you should consider doing something else with the emplacement and the flow of the slider (2) with the slider (1). Maybe something that would make them more connected? I prefer to keep this pattern.
01:09:755 (2,1,2,3,4,1) - You might wanna rework the emplacement of these objects a bit. Try to make it more consistent toward the spacing. fixed the arrangement.
Due to (4) being stacked over slider (1), the placement is a bit funky.
On another note, you should be careful with the usage of kiai times, just not to overuse them!
B-but it doesn't affect the gameplay that much D:
01:13:355 (2) - The spacing with the previous and next object + the flow with the next object might be a trouble here. If you want to keep the emplacement of the slider (2), you should consider doing a CTRL+G to the next slider. The flow will be much more better.
fixed

tl:dr be careful with the SPACING and the FLOW of your objects. these are two elements that shall be revised.
you should be glad you didn't ask me to look at the other diffs

Halfslashed wrote:
Free mod.
~~Holy fuck your timeline zoom is high.~~ damn right

[Easy]
00:14:555 (1,1) - Maybe symmetry isn't the best arrangement here. I think it makes more sense for the slider ball of 00:16:155 (1) to hit the red node somewhere near 00:16:355. Maybe try a parallel arrangement instead? Did make 00:16:155 (1) - hit the red tick, but was told it was "too hard for an easy" and reconsidered.
00:16:155 (1) - Can't see any reason for this NC removed
00:17:555 (2,3,1) - Can't say I understand what's going on with the DS here. 00:14:555 (1,1,2) you make a clear switch to 1.07x DS (And it should be comprehensible), but then you switch to 0.8x and then 1.0x? This is fairly inconsistent distance, so perhaps change the DS between these objects to 1.07x? might have remapped this section
00:19:355 (1,2) - Avoid this overlap if you can. I don't think it's the biggest deal, though it is a bit unclean. cleaned
00:22:555 (1) - Yeah I know intensity picked up and all, but I still think that NCing every measure is a bit much when you only have two objects per measure. Consider switching to a NC every two measure setup. removed excessive NCs
00:26:555 (2,1) - Two problems I have with this. First of all, this is an unexpected spacing change. Second, you didn't set up 1/2 repeats properly, since you didn't introduce any repeats other than this, and 1/2 is already really fast to comprehend for new players. If you're going to keep this rhythm, you should introduce a repeat of 1/1 or slower snap prior to this so that the player understands how repeats work. already remapped it
00:48:155 (3,4,1) - Reconsider your spacing here. These are gaps between two seperate snaps and yet the spacing is extremely similar here, so I recommend making both 0.6x DS. all .60
00:52:955 (1,2) - Why not try using circles for this? This is a less intense section, and circles with 2/1 gaps should be less stressful for players at this level. I prefer having sliders.
00:57:755 (3,1) - This 2/1 gap looks extremely similar to the 1/1 gap between 00:56:955 (2,3), and is therefore pretty confusing. Create a more noticeable change here. 1.0 DS
01:03:355 (2,1) - Nazi, but fix DS please. holy
01:08:155 (2,1) - As above. fixed them
01:08:955 (1,2) - I'm not entirely sure on the readability of this pattern for an Easy difficulty. Please get some more opinions on this. rearranged

[Normal]
00:08:155 (1,2,3) - You just started the map and you have 1/2 gaps that look the same as 1/1 gaps. This is not readable for players at this level at all, and you have this problem recurring throughout most of the map. I'll point out some instances where you do this, but this highly affects readability. already remapped intro
00:10:955 (4,1) - You could make this a bit neater, and I think it would improve readability due to the tight visual distance between 00:10:555 (3,4,1) . Basically, move 00:11:355 (1) onto the curve created by 00:10:955 (4). remapped
00:14:555 (1,2) - Again, I'm questioning the readability of such a pattern for a normal difficulty. Get more opinions on this. remapped
00:15:355 (2,3) - Another instance of rapidly changing your distance to be equal to a 1/2 snap. remapped
00:17:555 (5,1) - The visually similar spacing thing applies to stacks as well. Since you introduced a 1/1 stack at 00:09:755 (1,2), you will confuse players quite a bit with switching to 1/2 stacks. Pick one or the other for this map. remapped
00:24:955 (2,3) - DS looks the same as 00:24:155 (1,2). i think i fixed it
00:29:755 (2,1) - This would work much better if you didn't have 2 overlapping the tail of 1. You could just change this by increasing the DS to 1.3x for 00:29:755 (2,3) (Or just this entire section.) remapped
00:38:555 (1,2,3) - Would be better if you found a way to not have these overlap. remapped
00:43:355 (1,1) - Off blanket and worth mentioning that you will not be able to get a perfect blanket with just one gray node. You need two or more to do so (I prefer three). remapped
00:48:355 (2,3,1) - Patterning is kind of ambiguous since 2 leads into 1, as opposed to 3. It's not that bad since you have the NCing, but avoid this if you can. fixed...?
00:57:755 (1,1) - This overlap is something else. I mean, it's kind of neat, but you could make it neater if you made the red node of the second slider towards the center of it (and not have the tails overlap). rearranged
01:02:555 (1) - Just barely touches the top of the HP bar. shouldn't now
01:11:755 (1,1) - No. Get rid of this reverse arrow stack, this is unrankable. removed
01:22:955 (2) - Border is slightly hidden behind the head of 2, I'd make the angle created by the red node a bit wider so the player can see the slider border more clearly. Also, could you do something about the massive distance between this and 01:23:355 (1)? moved border

Okay. So basically, you should reconsider you distance concepts. You cannot randomly change distance in similar sections in the music, and you shouldn't do it between the same snap. If it's a long time, like 2/1 or greater (for this difficulty), it's okay not to have super consistent distance, but for a section of a certain musical intensity, 1/1 spacing should be consistent, 1/2 spacing should be consistent, 3/2 spacing, etc. Additionally, none of these various distances should look extremely similar.

thankies <3

Negri_sk

298 posts

Joined January 2013

Negri_sk 2017-05-13T12:09:26+00:00

Hello

[Hyperion's Rain]

00:06:945 (1,2) - You know, I see what you're doing here, and yes, this difficulty is suppose to be easier but the difficulty isn't suppose to be THAT much easier, I suggest you to move the (2) slightly to the right, not to create a hyper rather to make something more interesting than this "STANDING STILL PATTERN IN A RAIN".

00:29:955 (6,7,8) - Since I believe this type of weird antiflow shouldn't be used I suggest you first of CTRL+G (6) and (7) then you CTRL+G them once individually and then you CTRL+G the (8) and move it to x333 thus creating a way more enjoyable pattern. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8075137 (Approximetly how it's suppose to look like.)

00:58:105 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Really would've like to see you do something more interesting with this stream, try something else!

[Hyperion's Overdose]

00:06:945 (1,2) - If you CTRL+G this your catcher will be at the position where the map actually "starts" if you catch these 2, thus making it easier to read?

00:58:105 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - I mentioned this in the last difficulty aswell, however this time around you are more freely to do what you want since it's a overdose, so i'd suggest you try buffing this stream since it's such a strong beat and what not.

01:10:555 (1,2,3,4) - I highly recommend you make all of these face outwards instead of inwards since there's no real sound seperating these 4 from 01:11:355 (5,6,7,8) - these 4 and generally it's quite a quality of life "nerf" i'd say.

JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

3,922 posts

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2017-05-14T07:59:06+00:00

Negri_sk wrote:
Hello Hello

[Hyperion's Rain]

00:06:945 (1,2) - You know, I see what you're doing here, and yes, this difficulty is suppose to be easier but the difficulty isn't suppose to be THAT much easier, I suggest you to move the (2) slightly to the right, not to create a hyper rather to make something more interesting than this "STANDING STILL PATTERN IN A RAIN". Made a little walk, anything more is unpredictable with no prior musical cue

00:29:955 (6,7,8) - Since I believe this type of weird antiflow shouldn't be used I suggest you first of CTRL+G (6) and (7) then you CTRL+G them once individually and then you CTRL+G the (8) and move it to x333 thus creating a way more enjoyable pattern. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8075137 (Approximetly how it's suppose to look like.) Okay, simplified this

00:58:105 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Really would've like to see you do something more interesting with this stream, try something else! I feel this is as interesting as I can get without introducing jumps, and 1/8 jumps at this BPM are a no-go

[Hyperion's Overdose]

00:06:945 (1,2) - If you CTRL+G this your catcher will be at the position where the map actually "starts" if you catch these 2, thus making it easier to read? I deliberately separated these to avoid that, such a widely spaced (on the timeline) stack is not predictable and offers less emphasis

00:58:105 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - I mentioned this in the last difficulty aswell, however this time around you are more freely to do what you want since it's a overdose, so i'd suggest you try buffing this stream since it's such a strong beat and what not. The music itself is not especially strong compared to the vocals before and after, and 1/8 hypers feel incredibly overdone spread-wise. I prefer a simpler pattern here

01:10:555 (1,2,3,4) - I highly recommend you make all of these face outwards instead of inwards since there's no real sound seperating these 4 from 01:11:355 (5,6,7,8) - these 4 and generally it's quite a quality of life "nerf" i'd say. Angle is increasing to aid the buildup effect, and also because I'm space limited on the right side

Thanks for the mod!

Rain

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Overdose

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TitleUnicode:宵々古今
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Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,950 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2017-05-17T01:42:29+00:00

why'd you link overdose when nothing changed

JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

3,922 posts

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2017-05-17T08:21:27+00:00

Sinnoh wrote:
why'd you link overdose when nothing changed

I made some minor changes to a couple of jump patterns that were essentially trivial to mention, but logically yes it would have made sense to actually clarify that I suppose.

Absolute Zero

595 posts

Joined August 2014

Absolute Zero 2017-06-18T00:57:05+00:00

YOIYOIYOIYOIYOIYOIYIOYIOIYOIYOIYOIYOYOIIYOIYOIYOIYIO

[Hyperion’s Rain]
00:30:855 (2) - I don’t think a sound is strong enough to warrant a hitcircle here. If you want to keep it, I would add a hitcircle on 00:38:055.
00:55:755 (4,1) - I don’t know if it’s me, but I always undershoot this dash if I’m not specifically paying attention to it. I think it’s because otherwise I don’t need to hold dash to reach the note. I would lower distance at least slightly.
01:04:155 (1,2,3) - This back-forth feels like a pattern that would better fit an overdose. I would simplify this pattern’s movements slightly.
01:24:755 (1,1) - Personally, I think the dash after this note+spinner might lead to some last-note misses.
Really, really solid rain.

[Hyperion’s Overdose]
see ess five
00:54:755 (2,3) - Flowbreaking low distance from 00:54:555 (1,2). I would increase it.
01:08:355 (5,6) - Unexpected directional change not because of the movement, but because it doesn’t have a hyper on it.
01:10:555 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I feel like the “sore sore” can be accented even more by increasing distancing between the back-forth as time goes on. Right now, I feel it’s not accented enough.

Good quality

k_hand:

If i'm still here i'll icon it

JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

3,922 posts

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2017-06-19T13:33:55+00:00

Absolute Zero wrote:
YOIYOIYOIYOIYOIYOIYIOYIOIYOIYOIYOIYOYOIIYOIYOIYOIYIO sore

[Hyperion’s Rain]
00:30:855 (2) - I don’t think a sound is strong enough to warrant a hitcircle here. If you want to keep it, I would add a hitcircle on 00:38:055. 00:38:055 - has no real sound and breaks the 1/2 emphasis I want to maintain there, whereas 00:30:855 - has a drum and vocal effect sound similar to previous patterns such as 00:22:555 (1,2,3) - and 00:27:755 (2,3,4) - so I feel it fits nicely here too
00:55:755 (4,1) - I don’t know if it’s me, but I always undershoot this dash if I’m not specifically paying attention to it. I think it’s because otherwise I don’t need to hold dash to reach the note. I would lower distance at least slightly. Okay, moved 00:54:555 (1,2,3,4) - right a little so this is a bit more lenient
01:04:155 (1,2,3) - This back-forth feels like a pattern that would better fit an overdose. I would simplify this pattern’s movements slightly. I want to keep this as I don't feel it's a particular difficulty spike, but I did make 01:04:155 (1) - a bit less horizontal, so the tail is easier to catch
01:24:755 (1,1) - Personally, I think the dash after this note+spinner might lead to some last-note misses. Npt emphasizing it makes it feel very anticlimactic, I tried to make it as fair as possible by starting on the right side where the spinner end is more dense
Really, really solid rain.

[Hyperion’s Overdose]
see ess five fruit ninja
00:54:755 (2,3) - Flowbreaking low distance from 00:54:555 (1,2). I would increase it. Moved (2) right a bit so (2,3) is a more comfortable walk
01:08:355 (5,6) - Unexpected directional change not because of the movement, but because it doesn’t have a hyper on it. Added hyper I guess? Hopefully the antiflow isn't too punishing here
01:10:555 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I feel like the “sore sore” can be accented even more by increasing distancing between the back-forth as time goes on. Right now, I feel it’s not accented enough. Increased em a little, though I'd like to avoid going fullscreen nonsense lol
Good quality k_hand:

If i'm still here i'll icon it

Thanks for the mod!

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TitleUnicode:宵々古今
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Keiger

323 posts

Joined December 2016

Keiger 2017-06-23T02:31:29+00:00

are you still accepting gd's or no?

Ongaku

607 posts

Joined January 2014

Topic Starter

Ongaku 2017-06-23T02:32:13+00:00

ItsSurreal wrote:
are you still accepting gd's or no?

No, set is finished

Beepu

139 posts

Joined September 2014

Beepu 2017-07-17T21:37:52+00:00

My english is bad.
I love this song so much.
So maybe my suggestions can't help you
but I want to try it.

Rain :

00:59:755 (3,4,5,6) - i think voice start on 00:59:755 - to 01:00:155 - end
so I will modify it like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8616112
01:05:255 - add a new circle? idk
that is six jump. this can make some diversity style.
01:18:155 (7,8) - make a slider? because this part is the same 01:19:755 (6) -
01:10:555 (1,2,3,4) - I think this part can use volume to accentuate the mood.
like 01:10:555 (1) - 70% 01:10:955 (2) - 75% 01:11:355 (3) - 80% 01:11:755 (4) - 85%

Overdose :

00:44:355 (5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - voice is end on 00:44:355 (5) -
so 00:44:555 - is rhythm I will use a circle. And 00:44:755 - start the voice.
I will modify this part like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8616458
00:44:755 - to 00:45:155 - I want to make a round trip slider
but I feel this is better buz they are regularly like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8616543
01:05:255 - add NC?
01:18:455 - and 01:20:055 - I am thinking to add a NC will better than now? idk

Hope I can help you.

JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

3,922 posts

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2017-07-25T17:07:34+00:00

[-naniwa-] wrote:
My english is bad.
I love this song so much.
So maybe my suggestions can't help you
but I want to try it.

Rain :

00:59:755 (3,4,5,6) - i think voice start on 00:59:755 - to 01:00:155 - end
so I will modify it like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8616112 That idea works if I just want to follow the vocal, but the drum sound on 01:00:155 (4) - is quite strong also, so I want to include a jump here. That's why I split it up into two sliders instead of a repeat
01:05:255 - add a new circle? idk
that is six jump. this can make some diversity style. This is a little repetitive I guess, but for me 01:04:655 - is a better place to add a note because of the vocal, so I added one there instead
01:18:155 (7,8) - make a slider? because this part is the same 01:19:755 (6) - Good point, done
01:10:555 (1,2,3,4) - I think this part can use volume to accentuate the mood.
like 01:10:555 (1) - 70% 01:10:955 (2) - 75% 01:11:355 (3) - 80% 01:11:755 (4) - 85% Nice idea, not sure why I didn't do this actually.
Done on both diffs

Overdose :

00:44:355 (5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - voice is end on 00:44:355 (5) -
so 00:44:555 - is rhythm I will use a circle. And 00:44:755 - start the voice.
I will modify this part like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8616458 Similar to first point in Rain, I also want to emphasise drums here, since I use them to indicate jumps. This is one of the places where I switch between rhythms and is easy to follow because of the low spacing on 00:43:955 (4,5) -
00:44:755 - to 00:45:155 - I want to make a round trip slider
but I feel this is better buz they are regularly like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8616543 Didn't change this because it requires me to make the change above which I declined
01:05:255 - add NC? The kiai follows a consistent 4-beat NC pattern, with an NC added on each downbeat. There's no real special reason to break that here I think
01:18:455 - and 01:20:055 - I am thinking to add a NC will better than now? idk As above

Hope I can help you.

Thanks for your suggestions!

Posting code for both since I made the volume change on Overdose as well.

Rain

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Overdose

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Vyvaeth

Vyvaeth 2017-07-26T23:56:54+00:00

Okay, time to mod this. However...
I noticed that you are a well known mapper with countless GDs ranked. Your experience in mapping overshadows mine to oblivion. Which is a bit troublesome, because I am now much less confident when modding this. Nonetheless, I'll try to point out some of the concerns I had when playing the three first difficulties as a player.

[

Easy]
I had no problems when playing this, with all mods. However,

I think the HP is underwhelming. Consider increasing it to 3 or 4.
The OD shouldn't be higher than the AR, because of potential notelocking (especially with DTHR).
00:46:555 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This part... is really confusing. I always either get 100s and 50s, or miss because I click too early. It's because there's no (clear)
distinction between the 1/1 notes and 2/1 notes. You can either: 1. increase the spacing to declare a change in rhythm signature, 2. Stack the notes on each other to achieve the same effect. (Imo, the latter works better, because the song is in a stagnation when it comes to intensity, and it contrasts well with the drop/kiai).

Very fun.

[

Normal]
This is fine. Just some issues:

Decrease the OD.. in comparison to other maps of the same SR, it's too high.
00:25:755 (4,5) - It would be wise to increase the spacing. Less confusing. Ears get used to hearing 1/2 beats from the sliders before, so the 1/1 notes should be declared properly though spacing (Either increase or stack). When playing the map, I confused them for 1/2 beats and missed.
01:03:755 (2,2) - Would it be possible to stack these (move 01:03:755 (2) - to 01:05:355 (2) - )? I don't know if it's viable. If you consider my advice though, you'd need to fix the notes before 01:03:755 (2) -.

Side note about the spread; I think the normal difficulty is just a tad bit harder than the easy difficulty... Maybe make it a 2* instead? It's not even about the SR, anybody who can FC the first difficulty can do the second one with just some more tries. I think you should try to make it a bit harder.

[

Mir's Hard]

There is no sound here: 00:08:355 -
00:17:755 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - Linearly increase the spacing?
00:21:655 - missed sound?
01:15:955 (4,5) - Counterintuitive flow, I must admit the transition isn't very pleasing. Maybe ctrl+G or red anchor?

AR, CS, and OD are perfect. Lovely.

I'm sorry Mr. Ongaku, I can't mod the difficulties above. I'm not confident enough in my modding abilities to do so, I'm sure you'll find it uninsightful. Especially since I've never passed a 4* before.. Maybe if you still insist though, I could do it, I really don't mind. It's a win-win situation, since I gain experience, and you get mods. u_u

Also, I'd like to apologize if this mod didn't help much... the map has gone through 4 pages of modding so it's hard for some random no-name like me to find any issue in it. Well, above is my opinion as a player who mainly plays sub-3.5* maps, so perhaps you could consider it.

Good day to you and good luck with this set!

Mir

osu! Alumni

2,151 posts

Joined July 2016

Mir 2017-07-28T10:59:43+00:00

Vyvaeth wrote:
[ Mir's Hard]
There is no sound here: 00:08:355 -
00:17:755 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - Linearly increase the spacing?
00:21:655 - missed sound?
01:15:955 (4,5) - Counterintuitive flow, I must admit the transition isn't very pleasing. Maybe ctrl+G or red anchor?

AR, CS, and OD are perfect. Lovely.

Fixed the last thing cuz I kinda agree, a bit of a diffspike
The rest are okay since the first one would play weird if I skipped the red, the spacing already increase slightly, just not linear or visually, and I don't think mapping that sound would work cuz it's so inaudible.

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Ongaku

607 posts

Joined January 2014

Topic Starter

Ongaku 2017-07-28T11:16:19+00:00

Vyvaeth wrote:
Okay, time to mod this. However...
I noticed that you are a well known mapper with countless GDs ranked. Your experience in mapping overshadows mine to oblivion. Which is a bit troublesome, because I am now much less confident when modding this. Nonetheless, I'll try to point out some of the concerns I had when playing the three first difficulties as a player.

[ Easy]
I had no problems when playing this, with all mods. However,
I think the HP is underwhelming. Consider increasing it to 3 or 4. done
The OD shouldn't be higher than the AR, because of potential notelocking (especially with DTHR). I guess so
00:46:555 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This part... is really confusing. I always either get 100s and 50s, or miss because I click too early. It's because there's no (clear)
distinction between the 1/1 notes and 2/1 notes. You can either: 1. increase the spacing to declare a change in rhythm signature, 2. Stack the notes on each other to achieve the same effect. (Imo, the latter works better, because the song is in a stagnation when it comes to intensity, and it contrasts well with the drop/kiai). you're right, they're pretty weird to read. Rearranged

Very fun.
[ Normal]
This is fine. Just some issues:
Decrease the OD.. in comparison to other maps of the same SR, it's too high. done
00:25:755 (4,5) - It would be wise to increase the spacing. Less confusing. Ears get used to hearing 1/2 beats from the sliders before, so the 1/1 notes should be declared properly though spacing (Either increase or stack). When playing the map, I confused them for 1/2 beats and missed. rearrnaged
01:03:755 (2,2) - Would it be possible to stack these (move 01:03:755 (2) - to 01:05:355 (2) - )? I don't know if it's viable. If you consider my advice though, you'd need to fix the notes before 01:03:755 (2) -. gonna keep the way it is, gotta keep ds consistency lol
Side note about the spread; I think the normal difficulty is just a tad bit harder than the easy difficulty... Maybe make it a 2* instead? It's not even about the SR, anybody who can FC the first difficulty can do the second one with just some more tries. I think you should try to make it a bit harder. The normal was harder before i nerfed it uwu

I'm sorry Mr. Ongaku, I can't mod the difficulties above. I'm not confident enough in my modding abilities to do so, I'm sure you'll find it uninsightful. Especially since I've never passed a 4* before.. Maybe if you still insist though, I could do it, I really don't mind. It's a win-win situation, since I gain experience, and you get mods. u_u don't worry, as long as you tried anything is accepted.

Also, I'd like to apologize if this mod didn't help much... the map has gone through 4 pages of modding so it's hard for some random no-name like me to find any issue in it. Well, above is my opinion as a player who mainly plays sub-3.5* maps, so perhaps you could consider it. really, doesn't matter how long it is, im fine as long as you tried.

Good day to you and good luck with this set! thanks!

Soulblaster

Soulblaster 2017-07-28T14:57:20+00:00

[

Normal]

I had no problems when playing. Hower,

Consider increasing CS from 2.5 to 3 as it is more comfortable and would add more difficulty.
I believe this map need more HP from 3,5 to 4
01:10.555 - 01:11.755 If possible consider replacing the 4 circles by sliders from 01: 10.555 to 01: 11.755.

In my opinion i think this map looks like a easy and needs more difficulty from 1.78 to 2.0+.

Good work! OD and AR looks great!

Regards.
I'm noob in modding, but I want to help you even if I'm a noob.

I hope i help you

Seijiro

osu! Alumni

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Joined April 2013

Seijiro 2017-07-28T22:40:52+00:00

o.o

BNs where

Mir

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Mir 2017-07-28T22:41:54+00:00

MrSergio wrote:
o.o

BNs where

He made the mistake of putting two on his set. :3c

vekt0r

175 posts

Joined May 2016

vekt0r 2017-07-30T02:57:34+00:00

returning m4m, sorry for delay

Sore wa:
00:13:955 (7,8) - why tiny spacing? imo 8 is stronger
00:16:355 (2) - i see what you’re doing with the wide angle, but imo large spacing/sharp angle should work better here; maybe change previous 2 to wide angle
00:31:755 (3,4) - maybe you can do something with sudden kick on 4, maybe backwards flow from 3 or something, idk just an idea
00:42:955 (3,1) - i think these should be emphasized instead of the 4
00:46:155 (1,2,3) - i get wanting to separate the 2,3 from the 1 but the spacing’s so small
01:00:155 (5,6,1) - this triple feels weird because there doesn’t seem to be much significant here, and this seems more like a ‘break’ in the music
01:00:955 (4) - nc for downbeat and it’s part of the next vocal phrase; you might also want to make this part of the next pattern instead
01:07:355 (1,2,3,4) - feels unintense bc sliderheads too close together and flow creates a “going slower than sv” effect which makes it less intense (basically same effect as 01:00:355 (1,2,3,4) - but i don’t think it fits here)
01:15:355 (1) - also maybe more emphasis on this
following patterns like 01:17:755 (1,2,3,4) - and 01:19:155 (1,2,3,4,5) - that have the player jump every slider, i think 01:22:155 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - isn’t intense enough and doesn’t play as well as the others

MrSergio’s Insane:
00:35:555 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - i think the intensity on these triples is actually descending
01:03:755 (1) - this is kind of important vocally but i don’t think it’s as important as 01:02:555 (1) - or 01:04:155 (3) -, and it’s being emphasized much more with spacing and flow
01:07:155 (9,1) - feels pretty massive compared to previous kiai jumps, also in corresponding 01:00:755 (8,1) - you just stacked
01:11:755 (7) - maybe increase the spacing of this more compared to the rest of pattern
01:15:355 (1) - maybe more emphasis on this idk
01:21:755 (4) - nc for downbeat? also new vocal phrase

really like kiais on both diffs, good luck!

Ongaku

607 posts

Joined January 2014

Topic Starter

Ongaku 2017-08-02T10:10:36+00:00

vekt0r wrote:
returning m4m, sorry for delay

Sore wa:
00:13:955 (7,8) - why tiny spacing? imo 8 is stronger ill just ctrl+g it, just so 00:14:355 (1,2,3,1) - doesnt play weird
00:16:355 (2) - i see what you’re doing with the wide angle, but imo large spacing/sharp angle should work better here; maybe change previous 2 to wide angle I prefer to keep the wide angle.
00:31:755 (3,4) - maybe you can do something with sudden kick on 4, maybe backwards flow from 3 or something, idk just an idea if there were a bit more vocals in that part, yea I'd change it up a bit, but in this case, it'll stay as it is.
00:42:955 (3,1) - i think these should be emphasized instead of the 4 Just nc'd them
00:46:155 (1,2,3) - i get wanting to separate the 2,3 from the 1 but the spacing’s so small plays just fine
01:00:155 (5,6,1) - this triple feels weird because there doesn’t seem to be much significant here, and this seems more like a ‘break’ in the music Yea, I get what you mean, but I mapped it so there wouldn't be a "break," hence all the 1/4 sliders. lol
01:00:955 (4) - nc for downbeat and it’s part of the next vocal phrase; you might also want to make this part of the next pattern instead It was NC'd, but i decided to change it since vocals didnt have an impact until 01:01:155 (1) - . I was debating it and decided on this decision.
01:07:355 (1,2,3,4) - feels unintense bc sliderheads too close together and flow creates a “going slower than sv” effect which makes it less intense (basically same effect as 01:00:355 (1,2,3,4) - but i don’t think it fits here) They're intentional, before the DS was a bit bigger, but I decided to change them.
01:15:355 (1) - also maybe more emphasis on this cant find a way without breaking my entire aesthetic on that section xd
following patterns like 01:17:755 (1,2,3,4) - and 01:19:155 (1,2,3,4,5) - that have the player jump every slider, i think 01:22:155 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - isn’t intense enough and doesn’t play as well as the others well, they're rhythmically different, so of course they're gonna feel different.

really like kiais on both diffs, good luck!

thanks for the mod!

Seijiro

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Seijiro 2017-08-03T07:26:32+00:00

vekt0r wrote:
MrSergio’s Insane:
00:35:555 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - i think the intensity on these triples is actually descending that's because you played the other diff first lol.
I feel they are the opposite and overall it would ruin my entire pattern to change such an aspect right now
01:03:755 (1) - this is kind of important vocally but i don’t think it’s as important as 01:02:555 (1) - or 01:04:155 (3) -, and it’s being emphasized much more with spacing and flow it's important... so what should I do? x)
Let's say I noticed something strange myself and converted (2) into a circle only, but be more clear next time lol
01:07:155 (9,1) - feels pretty massive compared to previous kiai jumps, also in corresponding 01:00:755 (8,1) - you just stacked
it feels normal for such a diff tbh, the BPM is not that fast either. The pattern choice was due to the transition I was attempting over instruments rather than vocals in the second part of kiai
01:11:755 (7) - maybe increase the spacing of this more compared to the rest of pattern can ensure it is already really hard like this. Adding more spacing would really make it too intense for my tastes
01:15:355 (1) - maybe more emphasis on this idk the change in direction seems good enough for this...
01:21:755 (4) - nc for downbeat? also new vocal phrase why not

really like kiais on both diffs, good luck!

Thanks for the mod !
https://mrsergio.s-ul.eu/3Oc548EV.osu

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