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Equilibrium - Wirtshaus Gaudi [Taiko]

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Zetera
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Samstag, 24. Februar 2018 at 14:29:57

Artist: Equilibrium
Title: Wirtshaus Gaudi
Tags: Erdentempel German Black Folk Metal Nepuri Symphonic Viking Drunk Beer
BPM: 185
Filesize: 4111kb
Play Time: 02:35
Difficulties Available:
  1. Einfach (1,63 stars, 252 notes)
  2. Inner Kneipe (5,01 stars, 1183 notes)
  3. Mittel (2,56 stars, 464 notes)
  4. Nepus Komplex (4,15 stars, 953 notes)
  5. Schwierig (3,15 stars, 714 notes)
Download: Equilibrium - Wirtshaus Gaudi
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Meine lieben Landsknechte!

Sogleich reise ich nach England ab, um die Biere des Königreichs zu kosten. Aber werdet nicht ungeduldig - bald kehre ich zurück, denn mein Krug wird auch dort leer werden!







Einfach=Easy
Mittel=Normal
Schwierig=Hard
Komplex=Insane (by Nepuri)
Inner Kneipe=down in the pub


Ein Bier,bitte.
Vulkin
*insert hype here*
Greenshell
Füge den Stichworten Folgendes hinzu: Erdentempel German Black Folk Metal Nepuri
Anschließend gibt es natürlich auch wieder von mir 'ne kleine Tüte voll Sterne, und Sie bekommen dann locker Priorität - hoffentlich im Qualifikationsprozess!

Viel Glück und Prost! Ganz randvoll, so ist's toll!
Ak1o
Ein Stern von mir, obwohl der neben den atm 65 anderen wie ein überflüssiges Stuck Geometrie scheint; Mod folgt hoffentlich noch bevor das Set gebubbled wird! :c
Vulkin
durnk

~General~

Maybe add to tags: beer drunk tavern symphonic black metal folk erdentempel viking
Remember to Disable Countdown & Widescreen Support
Some difficulties have their last kiai without an end, so please put them a proper end

~Leicht~

1)00:28:043 (38,39) - Ctrl+G? these notes? could make a contrast with the latter d
2)00:31:611 (45) - I would remove this one, so theres a break
3)00:48:800 - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9797193 I would really suggest this pattern, using 1/2 on a Kantan is (apparently) acceptable, but i dont think its a good idea, specially when its going at bpm185. (fun thing, that was the only 1/2 on the map apparently)
4)01:16:692 - Maybe nerf this? 5-plets might be good, but i think they would be better if they were with a break after them, or on kiai. (Suggestion: Delete 01:17:665 (138,144,155) - )
A bit too dense for a Kantan, but i guess its borderline acceptable imo

~Mittel~

1)00:22:206 (66) - I think this note really deserves a finisher, clear cymbal sound
2)01:23:827 (267,269,270) - Maybe make them K's? just D's and d's is plain boring, even for a Futsuu
I would REALLY suggest you nerf this difficulty, it really lacks some breaks, Maybe theres alot of 1/1's, but we also need a few 2/1 breaks too

~Anspruchsvoll~

1)00:09:881 - Why not kkk d? i know the music supports it, but I'm not really sure if a Muzukashii does
2)01:23:827 (388,390) - Maybe make them K's? too many D's there imo
3)01:35:178 (450,452) - Maybe make them D's this time? Theres a pitch variation there
IDK how to mod Muzukashii diffs well, since i couldnt find much (other than the ddk's here and there but they're allowed i think, right?)

~Nepus Schwer~

1)01:08:747 (72) - Make this d, gives contrast to the next K
2)01:09:557 (75) - Make this K, same pitch as 01:08:909 (73) - (which is a K)
Its pretty good, but a bit too repetitive. Well the song is kinda repetitive at times so *shrug*

~Inner Kneipe~

1)Please put some k's on the intro, just d's is boring and killing for kkdd/ddkk players
2)00:34:043 - & 00:35:179 - feels too similar, yet their sounds feel too different, Maybe make these streams a little bit more different?
3)01:09:233 (536) - Make this K? different pitch compared to the surrounding D's
4)01:30:962 - Why is this emptier? Its the same sound as 01:25:773 -
5)02:31:070 (1146) - Maybe make this k? contrasts the drumroll sound coming right after
6)02:35:432 (1187) - Maybe make this K? higher pitch
Might need some polishing, but overall its pretty good

Viel Glück!
Dusk-
Leicht
00:41:016 idk if its just me but I hear a low pitch in the background. Try making this k
00:50:746 I hear high pitch, low pitch, high pitch, so try making this k d k instead of d k d
02:03:395 ^
00:53:341 this sounds better as k d k. The music in this part is slightly higher pitched than the 3 notes before
01:55:287 Delete this note. This part is far too straining for newer players imo as there's another 7 notes before it
02:03:070 ^
02:35:732 idk if this is on purpose or not but you haven't ended the kiai at this part.

Mittel
Nothing much to mention here other than the kiai issue

Anspruchsvoll
00:45:881 a k here sounds better imo
00:50:746 I hear high pitch here, so make this a k. On the note after, make it a d, and the note after the second one, make that k. I hear HP,LP,HP

Now the final kiai has actually ended on the last note in this diff rather than continuing on for the rest of the song, so I'm guessing you just forgot to end the kiai in the two lower diffs

Nepus Schwer
02:07:611 I don't see why you made this k instead of just d again. The note in the music sounds exactly the same as the other notes on d, so change this to D

Inner Kneipe
00:17:016 k sounds nice here


That's all I could find~
Good luck ^^
Topic Starter
Zetera

Vulkin wrote:

durnk

~General~

Maybe add to tags: beer drunk tavern symphonic black metal folk erdentempel viking
Remember to Disable Countdown & Widescreen Support
Some difficulties have their last kiai without an end, so please put them a proper end fixed all of these

~Leicht~

1)00:28:043 (38,39) - Ctrl+G? these notes? could make a contrast with the latter d I preferr highlighting the first circle of the three due to the guitar's pitch.
2)00:31:611 (45) - I would remove this one, so theres a break ok
3)00:48:800 - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9797193 I would really suggest this pattern, using 1/2 on a Kantan is (apparently) acceptable, but i dont think its a good idea, specially when its going at bpm185. (fun thing, that was the only 1/2 on the map apparently) This is the only sport where 1/2 could even be considered acceptable, and I really want to stress this bit with the 1/2 triplet. If this happens to become a reason for a DQ, I'll just change it right away.
4)01:16:692 - Maybe nerf this? 5-plets might be good, but i think they would be better if they were with a break after them, or on kiai. (Suggestion: Delete 01:17:665 (138,144,155) - ) removed the second circle of the quintuplet instead
A bit too dense for a Kantan, but i guess its borderline acceptable imo I think it fits the spread well and since it's under 2*, it should be acceptable all around. If people disagree, I'm willing to change things.

~Mittel~

1)00:22:206 (66) - I think this note really deserves a finisher, clear cymbal sound changed to finisher and removed the circle before it.
2)01:23:827 (267,269,270) - Maybe make them K's? just D's and d's is plain boring, even for a Futsuu yeah why not
I would REALLY suggest you nerf this difficulty, it really lacks some breaks, Maybe theres alot of 1/1's, but we also need a few 2/1 breaks too Eeeh I'll see what I can do

~Anspruchsvoll~

1)00:09:881 - Why not kkk d? i know the music supports it, but I'm not really sure if a Muzukashii does agreed and nerfed
2)01:23:827 (388,390) - Maybe make them K's? too many D's there imo okay
3)01:35:178 (450,452) - Maybe make them D's this time? Theres a pitch variation there these are all generally high, so no thanks
IDK how to mod Muzukashii diffs well, since i couldnt find much (other than the ddk's here and there but they're allowed i think, right?)

~Nepus Schwer~

1)01:08:747 (72) - Make this d, gives contrast to the next K
2)01:09:557 (75) - Make this K, same pitch as 01:08:909 (73) - (which is a K)
Its pretty good, but a bit too repetitive. Well the song is kinda repetitive at times so *shrug*

~Inner Kneipe~

1)Please put some k's on the intro, just d's is boring and killing for kkdd/ddkk players Nah, this is intentional. I really want to bank on those drums rather than the melody. I made this more complex in the other diffs because I didn't want things to be straining for kkdd/ddkk.
2)00:34:043 - & 00:35:179 - feels too similar, yet their sounds feel too different, Maybe make these streams a little bit more different? made a variation for the first pattern.
3)01:09:233 (536) - Make this K? different pitch compared to the surrounding D's Denied, kinda for the same reason the intro is completely read. It's like a prelude to the second part of the song that is technically just like the intro, and the ks don't really serve any purpose, so there have to be more ds to create some sort of clear focus.
4)01:30:962 - Why is this emptier? Its the same sound as 01:25:773 - I didn't want to copy-paste the same stuff again. Thought a variation on the non-kiai parts would make the map more entertaining. Kiai 1 and 2 are the same in each diff respectively, so I didn't want to just map all patterns twice.
5)02:31:070 (1146) - Maybe make this k? contrasts the drumroll sound coming right after good
6)02:35:432 (1187) - Maybe make this K? higher pitch This is intentional again.
Might need some polishing, but overall its pretty good

Viel Glück!
Vielen Dank! RiP +69 SP
Topic Starter
Zetera

_DUSK_ wrote:

Leicht
00:41:016 idk if its just me but I hear a low pitch in the background. Try making this k I'm following the flute here, so all circles are kats.
00:50:746 I hear high pitch, low pitch, high pitch, so try making this k d k instead of d k d This follows the tuba and will therefore not be changed.
02:03:395 ^
00:53:341 this sounds better as k d k. The music in this part is slightly higher pitched than the 3 notes before agreed and changed every pattern where this becomes relevant.
01:55:287 Delete this note. This part is far too straining for newer players imo as there's another 7 notes before it alright
02:03:070 ^
02:35:732 idk if this is on purpose or not but you haven't ended the kiai at this part. All kiai issues have been fixed.

Mittel
Nothing much to mention here other than the kiai issue

Anspruchsvoll
00:45:881 a k here sounds better imo indeed
00:50:746 I hear high pitch here, so make this a k. On the note after, make it a d, and the note after the second one, make that k. I hear HP,LP,HP also follows the tuba.

Now the final kiai has actually ended on the last note in this diff rather than continuing on for the rest of the song, so I'm guessing you just forgot to end the kiai in the two lower diffs

Nepus Schwer
02:07:611 I don't see why you made this k instead of just d again. The note in the music sounds exactly the same as the other notes on d, so change this to D

Inner Kneipe
00:17:016 k sounds nice here This is much more significant in the repetition of this part (00:22:206 -), so I'd rather stick with what I have.


That's all I could find~
Good luck ^^
xièxie
DeletedUser_6637817

_DUSK_ wrote:

Nepus Schwer
02:07:611 I don't see why you made this k instead of just d again. The note in the music sounds exactly the same as the other notes on d, so change this to D
I used an additional kat to emphasize the general rise in pitch this finisher combo has, instead of leaving it as K D K D K D K.

Good luck ^^[/color'>

Vulkin wrote:

durnk

~Nepus Schwer~

1)01:08:747 (72) - Make this d, gives contrast to the next K Wouldnt want to change this very often occuring pattern to accomodate to a little thing like this, a kkk k is expected each time the trumpet plays so thats what it should stick to.
2)01:09:557 (75) - Make this K, same pitch as 01:08:909 (73) - (which is a K) My original goal was to emphasize the fact that the drums stop playing at the kat finisher and dont lie on the don finishers anymore. Will keep for now!
Its pretty good, but a bit too repetitive. Well the song is kinda repetitive at times so *shrug*

Viel Glück!
Thanks for the mods!
igorsprite
m4m '^'
general
  • ● 00:00:152 - to 00:13:124 - is practically the same thing, add more notes in highests diffs and delete some in lowests
    ● 01:10:206 - to 01:14:097 - ^
    ● put Leicht=Kantan, Mittel=Futsuu, etc in description? i guess newbie can't understand it

Anspruchsvoll
  • ● 00:21:557 - d, i think this ddk is a bit hard to this muzukashii
    ● 00:42:152 (192,193) - change to kk, same reason ^
    ● 01:34:043 (443,444) - ^
    ● 01:16:368 - change to d and move 01:16:530 (352,353) - to 01:16:449 - , same reason ^
    ● 00:51:557 (241,242) - change to d and move to 00:51:476 - fit better the vocal (if you do this, make the same thing in the other kiai 01:46:530 - )
    ● 00:52:854 (249,250) - ^
    ● 00:54:070 - add d
    ● 00:54:476 - delete
    ● 01:14:097 - change to this?(K ddd kkk_d_D)

Mittel
  • ● 00:32:260 - delete, it's too long
    ● 00:37:449 - ^
    ● 01:07:287 - and 01:07:449 - delete, this kiai needs more 2/1 breaks
    ● 00:51:719 - and 00:51:881 - ^
    ● 01:17:989 - delete and move 01:18:476 - to 01:18:151 -
    ● 01:20:584 - delete, change to d and move 01:21:070 - to 01:20:746 -
    ● 01:25:449 - move to 01:26:097 -
    ● 01:30:962 - change to d, move to 01:31:124 - and add a d here 01:31:287 -
    ● 01:36:151 - D?
    ● 01:46:530 - to 01:56:260 - add 2/1 breaks
    ● 02:18:638 - delete
    ● 02:15:070 - to 02:35:732 - add 2/1 breaks

Leicht
  • ● 00:48:476 - and 00:48:638 - delete, this pattern is too long
    ● 00:49:773 - same reason ^ and to give emphasis to 00:54:638 -
    ● 00:54:962 - ^
    ● 01:05:341 - ^
    ● 01:52:043 - ^
    ● 02:02:422 - ^
    ● 01:03:395 - delete and Ctrl + G 01:02:422 (110,111,112) - to give emphasis to this 01:03:719 (114,115,116) -
    ● 01:23:179 - delete
    ● 02:00:476 - delete to give empashis this part 02:00:800 (230,231,232) - and the pattern is too long
    ● 02:16:043 - delete newbie can't notice this transition of session
    this diff needs a nerf

i can't mod diffs with SR higher than 4* if isn't a pop genre :?
Topic Starter
Zetera
Thanks Igor, I'll take care of things asap.
Topic Starter
Zetera

Igor Sprite wrote:

m4m '^'
general
  • ● 00:00:152 - to 00:13:124 - is practically the same thing, add more notes in highests diffs and delete some in lowests
    ● 01:10:206 - to 01:14:097 - ^ second part picks up one measure faster, therefore the second one is more intense.
    ● put Leicht=Kantan, Mittel=Futsuu, etc in description? i guess newbie can't understand it yes, incoming

Anspruchsvoll
  • ● 00:21:557 - d, i think this ddk is a bit hard to this muzukashii it's at the end of the kiai, so I want to highlight it in sort of a climax fashion
    ● 00:42:152 (192,193) - change to kk, same reason ^ this is not inside a kiai, so you're right
    ● 01:34:043 (443,444) - ^^
    ● 01:16:368 - change to d and move 01:16:530 (352,353) - to 01:16:449 - , same reason ^ fixed in a way
    ● 00:51:557 (241,242) - change to d and move to 00:51:476 - fit better the vocal (if you do this, make the same thing in the other kiai 01:46:530 - )
    ● 00:52:854 (249,250) - ^ this is not mapped to the vocals, but rather to the fanfares.
    ● 00:54:070 - add d also follows the bg instruments, and they don't produce 3 sounds
    ● 00:54:476 - delete same reasoning as above really
    ● 01:14:097 - change to this?(K ddd kkk_d_D) I think I had a better idea for this part.

Mittel
  • ● 00:32:260 - delete, it's too long deleted the first k instead
    ● 00:37:449 - ^ fine
    ● 01:07:287 - and 01:07:449 - delete, this kiai needs more 2/1 breaks fixed and made consistent in both kiais
    ● 00:51:719 - and 00:51:881 - ^
    ● 01:17:989 - delete and move 01:18:476 - to 01:18:151 -
    ● 01:20:584 - delete, change to d and move 01:21:070 - to 01:20:746 -
    ● 01:25:449 - move to 01:26:097 - took good care of this part geeraly based on the fact that there are very lttle breaks
    ● 01:30:962 - change to d, move to 01:31:124 - and add a d here 01:31:287 - I'd like to keep it that way
    ● 01:36:151 - D? yes
    ● 01:46:530 - to 01:56:260 - add 2/1 breaks
    ● 02:18:638 - delete
    ● 02:15:070 - to 02:35:732 - add 2/1 breaks also nerfed this overall

Leicht
  • ● 00:48:476 - and 00:48:638 - delete, this pattern is too long agreed
    ● 00:49:773 - same reason ^ and to give emphasis to 00:54:638 - Sorry, I really like my kiai structure
    ● 00:54:962 - ^
    ● 01:05:341 - ^
    ● 01:52:043 - ^
    ● 02:02:422 - ^
    ● 01:03:395 - delete and Ctrl + G 01:02:422 (110,111,112) - to give emphasis to this 01:03:719 (114,115,116) -
    ● 01:23:179 - delete nerfed
    ● 02:00:476 - delete to give empashis this part 02:00:800 (230,231,232) - and the pattern is too long nerfed and made this consistent with the first kiai
    ● 02:16:043 - delete newbie can't notice this transition of session yeah just using a filler d now
    this diff needs a nerf

i can't mod diffs with SR higher than 4* if isn't a pop genre :?
Thank you!
Nifty
ew v1

I'm just gonna call these by their normal names

is this bg just beer?

Kantan

◾ 00:32:584 (47,48) - I would make these two D's just match a little with the futsuu.
◽ 00:37:449 (54) - move this one beat earlier, futsuu has nothing mapped here so it'd spread better.
◾ 00:37:773 (55,56) - make these D to match other diffs.
◽ 00:42:638 (62) - move forward one beat for same reason. Second point applies again.
◾ 00:53:665 (87,88) - delete these and put a k 00:54:314 - here so that you follow the guidelines for breaks in a kantan (3/1 break) and also it would spread better with the futsuu, which uses a 1/2 ddkkd while you're resting in the kantan. This applies to everywhere applicable.
◾ 01:02:746 (107) - delete this and make 01:03:070 (108) - a k to create a parallel rhythm for 00:59:827 - . This will help define this unique section from the two identical sections before it, since the form of this kiai is AABA.
◽ 01:08:908 - Don't apply earlier point here, it's fine.
◾ 01:29:016 - you should put a note here in the places that are applicable because if the density in the futsuu being more than it was at 00:37:124 - .
◽ 01:46:530 - all point from earlier kiai apply here, you need to have the 3/1 breaks.
◾ 02:15:719 - put note here to balance density with futsuu.
◽ 02:35:432 (287) - you can make this K if you want, it's the end of the song.
Futsuu

◾ 00:08:422 (14) - delete this, density here is the same as the muzu, while the kantan has nothing here.
◽ 00:10:530 - not sure how I feel with the difficulty spike here from the kantan, and the kinda unnecessary color change from the muzu. I think it's closer to the muzu than the kantan by a huge margin, but you wouldn't be able to add anything to the kantan or remove anything from the futsuu without it sounding out of place. Therefore I come to the conclusion that this is completely fine.
◾ 00:13:124 (30) - but if you're not gonna make those all K's then make this a D as well.
◽ 00:22:206 (61,62,63,64,65) - just make all of them finished, since the kantan has 4 out of 5 of them already.
◾ 00:42:800 (120) - delete this note (not in the muzu) and make the finishers K's like in the muzu.
◽ 00:44:260 (125,126) - either make these finishers in the muzu or unfinish them in the futsuu. I suggest unfinishing them here.
◾ 00:44:260 - I suggest using the rhythm x__xx__xx_xxx here.
◽ 00:48:314 (141,143) - delete these to balance spread with the kantan, the density here is the same as it is in the muzu as well.
◾ 02:05:989 - at least make the colors correspond with the same colors you use in the kantan and muzu (it's d k d k here).
◽ 02:18:314 (402) - move this to 02:18:638 - to match kantan and stuff like that. Happens one more time after this.
Muzukashii

◾ Check for unsnapped notes. MA is returning with a couple.
◽ 00:21:395 - I wouldn't use a multi-color triple in the middle of a pattern. Usually in muzukashii they're only allowed at the end of patterns or with 1/1 spacing around them.
◾ 01:14:260 - use a triple here when the oni uses a 5le instead of using one where you are using one here.
◽ 01:41:341 - this is much more difficult than what the oni is. Balance it out by either adding these finishers to the oni or removing them from the muzu.
◾ 02:11:827 (617,621,625) - these are all d's in the oni and the other diff, so fix that inconsistency.
◽ 02:35:282 (743) - either add this note in the oni or remove it here, I would suggest removing it here.
Oni

◾ 00:10:530 (32) - More finisher inconsistencies. I'm just gonna ignore these for the rest of the mod because there are really a bunch of them. I urge you to take a peek in MA and see what you can do to make the diffs more similar in finisher usage.
◽ 00:23:665 (121) - delete to match the rest of the patterns. The other patterns also have vocals that you don't map on these beat so it's not a problem.
◾ 01:15:557 (89) - same reason, the other patterns don't have notes here (01:18:151 - if it didn't make sense, this is what I'm talking about).
◽ 02:32:132 (226) - make this d cause it's annoying to play that make k's in a row.
Inner Oni

◾ Finally, the last diff. This one should be relatively okay.
◽ Once again, issues right off the bat with finisher inconsistencies in terms of placement and colors, but you can figure those out.
◾ 00:12:800 (45,46,47) - this is BARELY audible. Don't map it.
◽ 00:48:314 - once again there's no 1/6 here.
◾ 00:48:962 - this is ok, but there's still practically nothing here denoting 1/6 usage. The emphasis is ok though.
◽ 02:35:282 - there's nothing here, and I would prefer the spacing between these last 3 notes over a random filler note anyways.

whew. mod amphisbaena.
Shiguri
HALLO LIEBER KLUB MACH MIR DEN BIERKRIEG VOLL
GANZ RAND VOLL JA SO IST TOLL

Topic Starter
Zetera

Nifty wrote:

ew v1 Sorry, didn't choose it :L

I'm just gonna call these by their normal names that's perfectly okay.

is this bg just beer? Yes indeed. Wirtshaus Gaudi roughly translates to pub fun, and noting's more fun than beer.

Kantan

◾ 00:32:584 (47,48) - I would make these two D's just match a little with the futsuu.
◽ 00:37:449 (54) - move this one beat earlier, futsuu has nothing mapped here so it'd spread better.
◾ 00:37:773 (55,56) - make these D to match other diffs.
◽ 00:42:638 (62) - move forward one beat for same reason. Second point applies again.
◾ 00:53:665 (87,88) - delete these and put a k 00:54:314 - here so that you follow the guidelines for breaks in a kantan (3/1 break) and also it would spread better with the futsuu, which uses a 1/2 ddkkd while you're resting in the kantan. This applies to everywhere applicable. While this is a good idea, I feel like using a 3/1 break here doesnt represent the most important bits of the song. I therefore deleted the d inbetween the kats and applied a different pattern to the following repetition.
◾ 01:02:746 (107) - delete this and make 01:03:070 (108) - a k to create a parallel rhythm for 00:59:827 - . This will help define this unique section from the two identical sections before it, since the form of this kiai is AABA.
◽ 01:08:908 - Don't apply earlier point here, it's fine.
◾ 01:29:016 - you should put a note here in the places that are applicable because if the density in the futsuu being more than it was at 00:37:124 - .
◽ 01:46:530 - all point from earlier kiai apply here, you need to have the 3/1 breaks.
◾ 02:15:719 - put note here to balance density with futsuu.
◽ 02:35:432 (287) - you can make this K if you want, it's the end of the song. 3 Ds appear more powerful to me. Applied everything else, by the way!
Futsuu

◾ 00:08:422 (14) - delete this, density here is the same as the muzu, while the kantan has nothing here.
◽ 00:10:530 - not sure how I feel with the difficulty spike here from the kantan, and the kinda unnecessary color change from the muzu. I think it's closer to the muzu than the kantan by a huge margin, but you wouldn't be able to add anything to the kantan or remove anything from the futsuu without it sounding out of place. Therefore I come to the conclusion that this is completely fine.
◾ 00:13:124 (30) - but if you're not gonna make those all K's then make this a D as well. Turned all of those into Ks except for the last one, I thought they were Ds in the other diffs anyways. The last one is different for the extra emphasis the part gets out of that.
◽ 00:22:206 (61,62,63,64,65) - just make all of them finished, since the kantan has 4 out of 5 of them already. I'd rather remove them from the Kantan.
◾ 00:42:800 (120) - delete this note (not in the muzu) and make the finishers K's like in the muzu. Added a note to the Muzu instead. I really want this kind of extra pattern to highlight that this is the last bit of the period.
◽ 00:44:260 (125,126) - either make these finishers in the muzu or unfinish them in the futsuu. I suggest unfinishing them here. Don't know what happened here, just removed the second note entirely. Also moved the following don doublet a bit to the front.
◾ 00:44:260 - I suggest using the rhythm x__xx__xx_xxx here. subsequently added a don to match the used pattern with this suggestion.
◽ 00:48:314 (141,143) - delete these to balance spread with the kantan, the density here is the same as it is in the muzu as well.
◾ 02:05:989 - at least make the colors correspond with the same colors you use in the kantan and muzu (it's d k d k here).
◽ 02:18:314 (402) - move this to 02:18:638 - to match kantan and stuff like that. Happens one more time after this. well I kinda used a concept for the kantan that doesn't really fit with the rest, and I feel like that moving those kats creates a very weird sort of offbeat emphasis that I don't like at all. Sorry!
Muzukashii

◾ Check for unsnapped notes. MA is returning with a couple.
◽ 00:21:395 - I wouldn't use a multi-color triple in the middle of a pattern. Usually in muzukashii they're only allowed at the end of patterns or with 1/1 spacing around them.
◾ 01:14:260 - use a triple here when the oni uses a 5le instead of using one where you are using one here.
◽ 01:41:341 - this is much more difficult than what the oni is. Balance it out by either adding these finishers to the oni or removing them from the muzu.
◾ 02:11:827 (617,621,625) - these are all d's in the oni and the other diff, so fix that inconsistency.
◽ 02:35:282 (743) - either add this note in the oni or remove it here, I would suggest removing it here. applied everything
Oni

◾ 00:10:530 (32) - More finisher inconsistencies. I'm just gonna ignore these for the rest of the mod because there are really a bunch of them. I urge you to take a peek in MA and see what you can do to make the diffs more similar in finisher usage.
◽ 00:23:665 (121) - delete to match the rest of the patterns. The other patterns also have vocals that you don't map on these beat so it's not a problem.
◾ 01:15:557 (89) - same reason, the other patterns don't have notes here (01:18:151 - if it didn't make sense, this is what I'm talking about).
◽ 02:32:132 (226) - make this d cause it's annoying to play that make k's in a row.
Inner Oni

◾ Finally, the last diff. This one should be relatively okay.
◽ Once again, issues right off the bat with finisher inconsistencies in terms of placement and colors, but you can figure those out.
◾ 00:12:800 (45,46,47) - this is BARELY audible. Don't map it.
◽ 00:48:314 - once again there's no 1/6 here. I think this particular pattern makes for a great buildup, and I would only like to change it if absolutely necessary.
◾ 00:48:962 - this is ok, but there's still practically nothing here denoting 1/6 usage. The emphasis is ok though.
◽ 02:35:282 - there's nothing here, and I would prefer the spacing between these last 3 notes over a random filler note anyways. There is a very subtle sheet woodwind note which is overshadowed by the dominant guitar, but it is there.

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Thanks! To be perfectly clear, I changed everything according to the mod if I didn't make a comment.
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Oni

◾ 00:10:530 (32) - More finisher inconsistencies. I'm just gonna ignore these for the rest of the mod because there are really a bunch of them. I urge you to take a peek in MA and see what you can do to make the diffs more similar in finisher usage. I dont see any major finisher differences, please elaborate, for now no change.
◽ 00:23:665 (121) - delete to match the rest of the patterns. The other patterns also have vocals that you don't map on these beat so it's not a problem. Done!
◾ 01:15:557 (89) - same reason, the other patterns don't have notes here (01:18:151 - if it didn't make sense, this is what I'm talking about). ^
◽ 02:32:132 (226) - make this d cause it's annoying to play that make k's in a row. Not my fault the player isnt strong enough, it fits the emphasis.
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171,197,113908,1,8,0:0:0:0:
167,195,113989,1,8,0:0:0:0:
167,195,114151,1,8,0:0:0:0:
170,197,114314,1,8,0:0:0:0:
171,197,114476,1,0,0:0:0:0:
171,197,114557,1,0,0:0:0:0:
171,197,114638,1,8,0:0:0:0:
171,197,114800,1,0,0:0:0:0:
167,195,114962,1,8,0:0:0:0:
167,195,115124,1,0,0:0:0:0:
170,197,115205,1,8,0:0:0:0:
170,197,115287,1,8,0:0:0:0:
171,197,115449,1,8,0:0:0:0:
171,197,115611,1,8,0:0:0:0:
168,209,115773,1,0,0:0:0:0:
168,209,115854,1,0,0:0:0:0:
168,212,115935,1,8,0:0:0:0:
168,212,116097,1,0,0:0:0:0:
151,142,116178,5,0,0:0:0:0:
168,212,116260,1,8,0:0:0:0:
168,207,116341,1,8,0:0:0:0:
168,207,116422,1,0,0:0:0:0:
168,207,116584,1,0,0:0:0:0:
168,209,116908,1,12,0:0:0:0:
303,223,117070,1,0,0:0:0:0:
303,231,117151,1,0,0:0:0:0:
302,217,117232,1,8,0:0:0:0:
302,217,117395,1,0,0:0:0:0:
291,227,117557,1,8,0:0:0:0:
290,227,117719,1,0,0:0:0:0:
290,227,117800,1,8,0:0:0:0:
291,227,117881,1,8,0:0:0:0:
291,228,118043,1,8,0:0:0:0:
301,223,118205,1,8,0:0:0:0:
302,217,118368,1,0,0:0:0:0:
302,217,118449,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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304,225,119016,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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296,221,120395,1,8,0:0:0:0:
296,220,120476,1,8,0:0:0:0:
296,219,120638,1,0,0:0:0:0:
297,215,120800,1,8,0:0:0:0:
298,218,120962,1,0,0:0:0:0:
298,218,121043,1,0,0:0:0:0:
298,218,121124,1,8,0:0:0:0:
296,221,121287,1,8,0:0:0:0:
296,220,121449,1,8,0:0:0:0:
298,228,121773,1,12,0:0:0:0:
298,218,122097,1,12,0:0:0:0:
182,188,122260,1,0,0:0:0:0:
291,210,122341,1,0,0:0:0:0:
201,197,122422,1,8,0:0:0:0:
201,197,122584,1,0,0:0:0:0:
204,197,122746,1,8,0:0:0:0:
203,197,122909,1,0,0:0:0:0:
290,221,122990,1,0,0:0:0:0:
290,217,123071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
206,211,123233,1,0,0:0:0:0:
206,214,123395,1,8,0:0:0:0:
290,221,123476,1,8,0:0:0:0:
179,142,123557,1,0,0:0:0:0:
179,142,123719,1,8,0:0:0:0:
179,142,123882,1,0,0:0:0:0:
179,142,124044,1,8,0:0:0:0:
179,142,124206,1,8,0:0:0:0:
179,142,124287,1,8,0:0:0:0:
179,142,124368,1,8,0:0:0:0:
211,175,124692,1,12,0:0:0:0:
179,142,124855,1,0,0:0:0:0:
205,171,124936,1,0,0:0:0:0:
179,142,125017,1,8,0:0:0:0:
175,135,125179,1,0,0:0:0:0:
175,135,125341,1,8,0:0:0:0:
175,134,125503,1,8,0:0:0:0:
175,134,125584,1,8,0:0:0:0:
175,134,125665,1,8,0:0:0:0:
175,134,125828,1,8,0:0:0:0:
175,134,125990,1,12,0:0:0:0:
341,113,126314,1,4,0:0:0:0:
341,113,126638,1,12,0:0:0:0:
322,193,126962,1,4,0:0:0:0:
322,193,127287,1,12,0:0:0:0:
322,193,127611,1,12,0:0:0:0:
322,193,127935,1,12,0:0:0:0:
322,193,128260,1,4,0:0:0:0:
322,193,128584,1,12,0:0:0:0:
217,179,129233,1,4,0:0:0:0:
218,187,129881,1,12,0:0:0:0:
210,192,130530,1,4,0:0:0:0:
203,186,131179,1,12,0:0:0:0:
261,218,131503,1,0,0:0:0:0:
260,223,131827,1,0,0:0:0:0:
261,223,132151,1,0,0:0:0:0:
261,218,132476,1,0,0:0:0:0:
260,223,132800,1,0,0:0:0:0:
261,223,133124,1,0,0:0:0:0:
261,218,133449,1,0,0:0:0:0:
260,223,133773,1,12,0:0:0:0:
261,223,134097,1,0,0:0:0:0:
261,218,134422,1,0,0:0:0:0:
260,223,134746,1,0,0:0:0:0:
159,156,134908,1,0,0:0:0:0:
261,223,135070,1,8,0:0:0:0:
375,171,135233,1,8,0:0:0:0:
375,171,135314,1,8,0:0:0:0:
382,172,135395,1,0,0:0:0:0:
382,172,135476,1,0,0:0:0:0:
382,172,135557,1,8,0:0:0:0:
382,172,135719,1,0,0:0:0:0:
189,172,135881,1,8,0:0:0:0:
189,172,135962,1,8,0:0:0:0:
189,172,136043,1,0,0:0:0:0:
188,177,136206,1,0,0:0:0:0:
173,66,136368,1,12,0:0:0:0:
211,229,136530,1,0,0:0:0:0:
198,192,136611,1,0,0:0:0:0:
111,172,136692,1,8,0:0:0:0:
105,192,136854,1,8,0:0:0:0:
102,179,136935,1,8,0:0:0:0:
103,141,137016,1,0,0:0:0:0:
103,141,137179,1,0,0:0:0:0:
103,141,137341,1,8,0:0:0:0:
99,146,137503,1,0,0:0:0:0:
96,139,137584,1,0,0:0:0:0:
96,137,137665,1,8,0:0:0:0:
95,140,137827,1,8,0:0:0:0:
95,146,137989,1,8,0:0:0:0:
95,146,138070,1,0,0:0:0:0:
95,146,138151,1,0,0:0:0:0:
95,148,138314,1,8,0:0:0:0:
88,156,138476,1,0,0:0:0:0:
88,156,138638,1,12,0:0:0:0:
153,146,138962,1,12,0:0:0:0:
168,189,139124,1,0,0:0:0:0:
172,184,139206,1,0,0:0:0:0:
175,180,139287,1,8,0:0:0:0:
177,196,139449,1,8,0:0:0:0:
164,211,139611,1,8,0:0:0:0:
164,211,139692,1,8,0:0:0:0:
164,209,139773,1,0,0:0:0:0:
164,209,139935,1,0,0:0:0:0:
164,209,140097,1,0,0:0:0:0:
163,209,140179,1,0,0:0:0:0:
166,208,140260,1,8,0:0:0:0:
175,203,140422,1,0,0:0:0:0:
175,203,140584,1,8,0:0:0:0:
175,203,140665,1,0,0:0:0:0:
175,197,140746,1,0,0:0:0:0:
177,197,140908,1,0,0:0:0:0:
197,166,141233,1,12,0:0:0:0:
197,166,141557,1,12,0:0:0:0:
277,157,141714,1,0,0:0:0:0:
277,157,141793,1,0,0:0:0:0:
277,157,141872,1,8,0:0:0:0:
272,161,142030,1,8,0:0:0:0:
272,161,142188,1,8,0:0:0:0:
272,161,142267,1,8,0:0:0:0:
272,161,142346,1,0,0:0:0:0:
272,161,142504,1,0,0:0:0:0:
272,161,142583,1,0,0:0:0:0:
270,162,142662,1,8,0:0:0:0:
270,162,142820,1,8,0:0:0:0:
272,161,142978,1,8,0:0:0:0:
271,168,143057,1,0,0:0:0:0:
271,172,143135,1,0,0:0:0:0:
271,172,143293,1,0,0:0:0:0:
271,172,143451,1,8,0:0:0:0:
271,172,143609,1,0,0:0:0:0:
271,172,143767,1,12,0:0:0:0:
271,172,144083,1,12,0:0:0:0:
374,149,144241,1,0,0:0:0:0:
347,122,144320,1,0,0:0:0:0:
347,122,144399,1,8,0:0:0:0:
347,122,144557,1,8,0:0:0:0:
351,125,144714,1,8,0:0:0:0:
351,127,144793,1,8,0:0:0:0:
351,128,144872,1,0,0:0:0:0:
351,128,145030,1,8,0:0:0:0:
351,128,145188,1,0,0:0:0:0:
351,128,145267,1,0,0:0:0:0:
351,128,145346,1,8,0:0:0:0:
351,128,145504,1,0,0:0:0:0:
351,125,145662,1,8,0:0:0:0:
347,134,145741,1,0,0:0:0:0:
347,135,145820,1,0,0:0:0:0:
347,135,145978,1,0,0:0:0:0:
346,131,146135,1,12,0:0:0:0:
346,132,146293,1,12,0:0:0:0:
346,131,146609,1,12,0:0:0:0:
315,248,146762,1,0,0:0:0:0:
315,248,146839,1,0,0:0:0:0:
315,253,146916,1,8,0:0:0:0:
315,248,147070,1,0,0:0:0:0:
315,248,147224,1,8,0:0:0:0:
315,248,147301,1,8,0:0:0:0:
307,246,147378,1,0,0:0:0:0:
307,246,147532,1,8,0:0:0:0:
307,246,147685,1,0,0:0:0:0:
307,246,147762,1,0,0:0:0:0:
305,241,147839,1,8,0:0:0:0:
305,241,147993,1,8,0:0:0:0:
305,241,148147,1,0,0:0:0:0:
305,241,148224,1,0,0:0:0:0:
305,241,148301,1,8,0:0:0:0:
305,241,148455,1,8,0:0:0:0:
305,241,148609,1,0,0:0:0:0:
297,239,148762,1,12,0:0:0:0:
296,239,149070,1,12,0:0:0:0:
232,216,149224,1,0,0:0:0:0:
232,216,149301,1,0,0:0:0:0:
226,229,149378,1,8,0:0:0:0:
226,233,149532,1,8,0:0:0:0:
226,233,149685,1,8,0:0:0:0:
226,233,149839,1,0,0:0:0:0:
226,233,149916,1,0,0:0:0:0:
226,232,149993,1,8,0:0:0:0:
226,232,150147,1,0,0:0:0:0:
226,232,150301,1,8,0:0:0:0:
226,229,150378,1,8,0:0:0:0:
226,233,150455,1,0,0:0:0:0:
226,233,150609,1,8,0:0:0:0:
226,233,150762,1,8,0:0:0:0:
226,233,150839,1,0,0:0:0:0:
226,233,150916,1,0,0:0:0:0:
226,232,151070,1,0,0:0:0:0:
226,232,151224,1,8,0:0:0:0:
224,237,151532,1,12,0:0:0:0:
336,190,151682,1,0,0:0:0:0:
336,185,151757,1,0,0:0:0:0:
336,190,151832,1,8,0:0:0:0:
336,190,151982,1,8,0:0:0:0:
336,190,152132,1,8,0:0:0:0:
336,190,152282,1,8,0:0:0:0:
336,190,152357,1,8,0:0:0:0:
336,190,152432,1,0,0:0:0:0:
336,190,152582,1,8,0:0:0:0:
336,190,152732,1,8,0:0:0:0:
336,190,152882,1,8,0:0:0:0:
336,190,152957,1,0,0:0:0:0:
336,190,153032,1,0,0:0:0:0:
336,190,153182,1,0,0:0:0:0:
336,190,153332,1,8,0:0:0:0:
336,190,153482,1,0,0:0:0:0:
336,190,153632,1,12,0:0:0:0:
332,183,153932,1,12,0:0:0:0:
117,152,154082,1,0,0:0:0:0:
117,152,154157,1,0,0:0:0:0:
117,152,154232,1,8,0:0:0:0:
117,152,154382,1,0,0:0:0:0:
117,152,154457,1,0,0:0:0:0:
117,152,154532,1,8,0:0:0:0:
117,152,154682,1,0,0:0:0:0:
117,152,154757,1,0,0:0:0:0:
117,152,154832,1,8,0:0:0:0:
117,152,154982,1,0,0:0:0:0:
131,252,155132,1,12,0:0:0:0:
131,252,155432,1,12,0:0:0:0:
131,252,155732,1,4,0:0:0:0:

Thanks!
Shinsekai-
V1 ♥ :D!


[Leicht]

- Perfect...

[Mittel]

- Perfect ;_;

[Anspruchsvoll]

- you can try changing this to a kat 00:20:422 (79) -
- same here 00:40:854 (185) - will work because
- add one d here 00:45:476 (208) -
- the other things are good for me XD

[Nepus Schwer]

- Perfecto!

[Inner Kneipe]

- Peruferectoooo

[Comentarios]

I saw this map before and i like it so much ;_; no problems... is good rank now TM
Topic Starter
Zetera

[_Chichinya_] wrote:

V1 ♥ :D!


[Leicht]

- Perfect...

[Mittel]

- Perfect ;_;

[Anspruchsvoll]

- you can try changing this to a kat 00:20:422 (79) - Sorry, I want to keep highlighting the higher notes in the melody, and that only allows me to have 3 kats.
- same here 00:40:854 (185) - will work because yeah that works here indeed
- add one d here 00:45:476 (208) - Sorry, I feel like this sort of breaks the flow.
- the other things are good for me XD

[Nepus Schwer]

- Perfecto!

[Inner Kneipe]

- Peruferectoooo

[Comentarios]

I saw this map before and i like it so much ;_; no problems... is good rank now TM
Thank you! Will do!
frukoyurdakul
Hello, sorry for being late.

[Inner Oni (i guess)]
  1. 00:48:314 - It'd be better if you keep it simple by starting with kkdd 1/4 instead, since there is no 1/6 that supporting it.
  2. 01:23:503 - Removing this finisher might be a good idea, since there isn't a sound like the first one that actually emphasizes the guitar strum and the crash cymbal.
  3. 01:35:503 ~ 01:36:151 - To match the structure with the part that starts from 01:29:665 - this spot, I suggest following the drum attack instead of emphasizing the keyboard.
  4. 02:08:584 ~ 02:11:179 - Between this section, I suggest something like this to edit the kiai: apparently it's acceptable if it makes sense so, here is the link of the suggestion. (This might be general depending on your thought.) nope
Alongside those the diff seems fine to me.

[Nepuri's Oni]
  1. 00:13:449 - Put a break there to make it consistent with 00:18:638 - this.
  2. 00:35:989 - I think your intention is to emphasize the keyboard that's going on for the beat but filling it with a note (preferrably don) will keep the structure stable as in 1/2 1/4 for the entire 3 stanza and emphasizing the strong sounds on 4th which are at 00:37:773 - this spot.
  3. 00:41:179 - Same for this one with above.
  4. 01:09:557 - I suggest KAT on this one to make the same pitches emphasized with same hitsounds, referring to 01:08:908 - this one.
The diff is also fine.

[Muzukashii]
  1. 00:17:016 - 00:17:665 - Those finishers are over-emphasize for me.
  2. Big issue: 00:07:935 ~ 01:09:557 - Between those spots there aren't neither 3/2 breaks nor 2/1, which is longer than a minute. Try adding some breaks to fix this diff. This exists after the strong part enters again, so... First this issue needs to be adressed, then I'll mod the diff.
[Futsuu]
  1. Same finisher issue I've mentioned on Muzukashii.
  2. 00:53:341 - Starting from here, due to musical pitch I recommend k d kdkkd on the upcoming patterns.
  3. 00:59:179 - Finisher seems a bit inconsistent with the rest of the kiai.
  4. 01:04:692 - You can add a note here since you have a note right before the kiai at 00:49:124 -
  5. 01:17:989 - Add a finisher to make the finishers consistent throughout the section.
  6. 01:33:233 - Add a note here to keep the structure consistent.
  7. 01:37:773 - You can make this one kat to emphasize the snare on it.
  8. 01:41:341 (296,297) - Swap these by keeping the finisher on the 1st one and removing on the 2nd one to follow drums. Adjust the patterns afterwards by that idea.
  9. 01:50:422 - k d kdkkd here too.
  10. 02:11:179 - This section feels weird, while you have 1/1 notes on Muzukashii you only have a D k on this diff and the kat doesn't really emphasize anything.
    My recommendation would be putting 2/1 snapped dons around the section.
I'll mod Kantan after you fix Muzukashii.
DeletedUser_6637817
Applied everything from your mod!

Updated diff: https://puu.sh/zfM1f/d679a90566.osu
Topic Starter
Zetera

frukoyurdakul wrote:

Hello, sorry for being late. No worries!

[Inner Oni (i guess)]
  1. 00:48:314 - It'd be better if you keep it simple by starting with kkdd 1/4 instead, since there is no 1/6 that supporting it. Since you're the second person to be unhappy with this pattern, I changed it according to your suggestion.
  2. 01:23:503 - Removing this finisher might be a good idea, since there isn't a sound like the first one that actually emphasizes the guitar strum and the crash cymbal. I prefer keeping that for consistency's sake.
  3. 01:35:503 ~ 01:36:151 - To match the structure with the part that starts from 01:29:665 - this spot, I suggest following the drum attack instead of emphasizing the keyboard. I hope my fix is somewhat close to what you wanted to see.
  4. 02:08:584 ~ 02:11:179 - Between this section, I suggest something like this to edit the kiai: apparently it's acceptable if it makes sense so, here is the link of the suggestion. (This might be general depending on your thought.) nope
Alongside those the diff seems fine to me.

[Nepuri's Oni]
  1. 00:13:449 - Put a break there to make it consistent with 00:18:638 - this.
  2. 00:35:989 - I think your intention is to emphasize the keyboard that's going on for the beat but filling it with a note (preferrably don) will keep the structure stable as in 1/2 1/4 for the entire 3 stanza and emphasizing the strong sounds on 4th which are at 00:37:773 - this spot.
  3. 00:41:179 - Same for this one with above.
  4. 01:09:557 - I suggest KAT on this one to make the same pitches emphasized with same hitsounds, referring to 01:08:908 - this one.
The diff is also fine.

[Muzukashii]
  1. 00:17:016 - 00:17:665 - Those finishers are over-emphasize for me. Alright
  2. Big issue: 00:07:935 ~ 01:09:557 - Between those spots there aren't neither 3/2 breaks nor 2/1, which is longer than a minute. Try adding some breaks to fix this diff. This exists after the strong part enters again, so... First this issue needs to be adressed, then I'll mod the diff.
I really don't lik that guideline, but I tried to adhere to it as good as possible.

[Futsuu]
  1. Same finisher issue I've mentioned on Muzukashii. fixed
  2. 00:53:341 - Starting from here, due to musical pitch I recommend k d kdkkd on the upcoming patterns. Although I prefer the kick emphasis, I changed this since it's only the futsuu.
  3. 00:59:179 - Finisher seems a bit inconsistent with the rest of the kiai. This is a quintessential finisher and I couldn't think of anything more fitting than that. There are no bass brass instrument here, so there are no notes after that. a normal note doesn't emphasise this bit well enough, in my opinion.
  4. 01:04:692 - You can add a note here since you have a note right before the kiai at 00:49:124 - That will make it too dense, I'm afraid.
  5. 01:17:989 - Add a finisher to make the finishers consistent throughout the section. yes
  6. 01:33:233 - Add a note here to keep the structure consistent. thank you
  7. 01:37:773 - You can make this one kat to emphasize the snare on it. I guess it kats the monotony.
  8. 01:41:341 (296,297) - Swap these by keeping the finisher on the 1st one and removing on the 2nd one to follow drums. Adjust the patterns afterwards by that idea. I think the way I changed it will be as satisfying.
  9. 01:50:422 - k d kdkkd here too. of course
  10. 02:11:179 - This section feels weird, while you have 1/1 notes on Muzukashii you only have a D k on this diff and the kat doesn't really emphasize anything.
    My recommendation would be putting 2/1 snapped dons around the section. There is a pluck instrument on the kat, and I think that adding something here will make this less of a break for the player.
I'll mod Kantan after you fix Muzukashii.
Thank you!
frukoyurdakul
Recheck.

[Muzukashii]
  1. 00:58:854 (266) - You can change this one to kat to make it similiar with Futsuu.
  2. 01:30:151 - K k D seems a bit hard for Muzukashii, removing this note is a good idea.
  3. 01:43:124 - You should delete this note since it doesn't really emphasize any particular sound. Or even if it does, the main rhythm is going 1/3.
  4. 01:55:935 - Same as the first statement.
[Kantan]
  1. 00:49:773 (77,78,79) - I recommend deleting these three notes to avoid continuous mapping for too much. And, after that you can add a note at 00:53:665 - here and remove the other three which are at 00:54:962 (89,90,91) - this spot. You can change the general structure to make the kiai more dense with breaks.
  2. 01:16:043 - 01:18:638 - 01:21:233 - Removal of these notes are a good idea to match the structure with the first verse where you've used a 1/1 triplet and 2/1 snapped note with 4/1 break at the beginning. Refer to 00:23:503 - this. Even the musical structure is different you need to delete those notes to provide sufficient breaks.
  3. 01:43:935 - You can change this one to kat to emphasize the snare.
  4. 01:47:179 (190,191) - Delete these notes to stable the structure with the related kiais.
  5. 01:52:043 (201,202,203) - Same above. The other occurences should be fixed too.
  6. 02:16:692 - 02:21:872 - 02:26:916 - 02:31:832 - Deleting these notes will help you to provide sufficient 3/1 breaks as well.
One thing I have in mind is the spread between Kantan and Futsuu at 00:11:827 - this spot, whereas Futsuu have 1/1 red tick notes which creates a very hard rhythm, Kantan doesn't have anything. Now, I think it's fine since emphasizing offbeats on a Kantan is not a good idea, but I'll ask more opinions for it. The main issue that needs to be fixed is to provide sufficient 3/1 and 4/1 breaks.
Topic Starter
Zetera

frukoyurdakul wrote:

Recheck.

[Muzukashii]
  1. 00:58:854 (266) - You can change this one to kat to make it similiar with Futsuu. changed here and below.
  2. 01:30:151 - K k D seems a bit hard for Muzukashii, removing this note is a good idea. don't know how that one slipped in...
  3. 01:43:124 - You should delete this note since it doesn't really emphasize any particular sound. Or even if it does, the main rhythm is going 1/3.All melodical instruments emphasize 1/3s, that's right. However, the drums do change. They only emphasize 1/1 beats as of 01:41:341 - . Therefore, I'd claim my solution is the best for this part.
  4. 01:55:935 - Same as the first statement.
[Kantan]
  1. 00:49:773 (77,78,79) - I recommend deleting these three notes to avoid continuous mapping for too much. And, after that you can add a note at 00:53:665 - here and remove the other three which are at 00:54:962 (89,90,91) - this spot. You can change the general structure to make the kiai more dense with breaks.
  2. 01:16:043 - 01:18:638 - 01:21:233 - Removal of these notes are a good idea to match the structure with the first verse where you've used a 1/1 triplet and 2/1 snapped note with 4/1 break at the beginning. Refer to 00:23:503 - this. Even the musical structure is different you need to delete those notes to provide sufficient breaks.
  3. 01:43:935 - You can change this one to kat to emphasize the snare.
  4. 01:47:179 (190,191) - Delete these notes to stable the structure with the related kiais.
  5. 01:52:043 (201,202,203) - Same above. The other occurences should be fixed too.
  6. 02:16:692 - 02:21:872 - 02:26:916 - 02:31:832 - Deleting these notes will help you to provide sufficient 3/1 breaks as well.
I decided to completely restructure most of the parts, since the diff was vastly overdone.


One thing I have in mind is the spread between Kantan and Futsuu at 00:11:827 - this spot, whereas Futsuu have 1/1 red tick notes which creates a very hard rhythm, Kantan doesn't have anything. Now, I think it's fine since emphasizing offbeats on a Kantan is not a good idea, but I'll ask more opinions for it. The main issue that needs to be fixed is to provide sufficient 3/1 and 4/1 breaks.
I nerfed this particular part to include less offbeat circles. I hope that helps.
frukoyurdakul
Something happened on your Muzukashii. There is a big break at the middle now. 01:36:151 -
Topic Starter
Zetera
wh

filled it again, thanks for pointing it out!
frukoyurdakul
[Kantan]
  1. 00:25:449 - You can use kdd on that and 00:28:043 - kkd on this one since the guitar pitch is higher. If you accept, remember to change 00:30:638 - this one to kdd too.
  2. 00:55:287 - It is better to remove this one to keep the structure stable, since you put a break on kiai start at 00:50:097 - this. Same on 01:52:368 - this one.
  3. 01:36:151 ~ 01:45:881 - Between these spots, I think the gap should be higher between Kantan and Futsuu since the spread changes on between every other diffs, so I'm gonna recommend deleting 01:36:800 - 01:39:395 - 01:41:016 - 01:42:962 - (on this one there is not a kick here which makes more sense to delete considering you're following drums).
[Futsuu]
  1. 00:41:341 - Removing this will keep the structure consistent, since you give a break at 00:36:151 - this spot.
  2. 00:49:124 - You don't have a note on Muzukashii, and a 2/1 break is required at that spot.
  3. 02:05:989 - You can put the notes as finishers like you did on Muzukashii, they will feel much better than it's current state.
[Muzukashii]
  1. 01:46:206 - It would be better to give some break before the kiai starts so I suggest removing this note.
  2. 01:31:287 (411,412) - You can delete these two to provide a break, like you did on 00:39:395 - this spot, for some reason you want that part a bit more intense so 3/2 break would be sufficient.
[Nepuri's Oni]
  1. 01:23:179 - This finisher should be don according to the other usages. Referring to 01:20:584 - 01:17:989 - these for example.
[Inner Oni]
  1. 00:31:935 - 01:23:827 - These two parts seemed a bit inconsistent, is there a particular reason to skip the kicks on the 2nd one? If not, I recommend putting dons on red ticks.
I guess that's it.
Topic Starter
Zetera

frukoyurdakul wrote:

[Kantan]
  1. 00:25:449 - You can use kdd on that and 00:28:043 - kkd on this one since the guitar pitch is higher. If you accept, remember to change 00:30:638 - this one to kdd too. The difference in pitch between the first two is lower than that between the second triplet's circles, so I'm not changing that. Sorry!
  2. 00:55:287 - It is better to remove this one to keep the structure stable, since you put a break on kiai start at 00:50:097 - this. Same on 01:52:368 - this one. Yep, thanks
  3. 01:36:151 ~ 01:45:881 - Between these spots, I think the gap should be higher between Kantan and Futsuu since the spread changes on between every other diffs, so I'm gonna recommend deleting 01:36:800 - 01:39:395 - 01:41:016 - 01:42:962 - (on this one there is not a kick here which makes more sense to delete considering you're following drums). Fixed all of those
[Futsuu]
  1. 00:41:341 - Removing this will keep the structure consistent, since you give a break at 00:36:151 - this spot. The follow-up is less dense here, so I figured I increased the density right before it to make a balanced variation.
  2. 00:49:124 - You don't have a note on Muzukashii, and a 2/1 break is required at that spot. removed
  3. 02:05:989 - You can put the notes as finishers like you did on Muzukashii, they will feel much better than it's current state. I agree
[Muzukashii]
  1. 01:46:206 - It would be better to give some break before the kiai starts so I suggest removing this note. Right, I'm using d k K _ instead.
  2. 01:31:287 (411,412) - You can delete these two to provide a break, like you did on 00:39:395 - this spot, for some reason you want that part a bit more intense so 3/2 break would be sufficient. Fixed since I have another pattern like that anyways.
[Nepuri's Oni]
  1. 01:23:179 - This finisher should be don according to the other usages. Referring to 01:20:584 - 01:17:989 - these for example. Nepuri and I agreed on me fixing this for him.
[Inner Oni]
  1. 00:31:935 - 01:23:827 - These two parts seemed a bit inconsistent, is there a particular reason to skip the kicks on the 2nd one? If not, I recommend putting dons on red ticks. The first part's guitar is very staccato-ish, providing a lot of "spikes" to put a note with high emphasis on them,
    while the the vocals fill the other bits on the red ticks. In the second part, these vocals are not as dense and the guitar is played differently as well.
I guess that's it.
Thanks again! I decided to award another kudosu since it's losing its value and since you put so much effort into completing your mod.
frukoyurdakul
Taiko is getting some good stuff.

IRC mod with Zetera at 20/02/2*18 21:16 UTC
23:26 frukoyurdakul: do a quick IRC?
23:26 Zetera: sure
23:27 frukoyurdakul: oh I wanted to say something but I understand the reason behind it now lol
23:27 frukoyurdakul: sorry
23:27 Zetera: Oh haha
23:28 Zetera: That's fine
23:29 frukoyurdakul: on futsuu
23:29 frukoyurdakul: 00:41:341 - I recommend deleting this to give a break because from the start to the next part, it would be continuously mapped
23:30 frukoyurdakul: because starting from 00:44:260 - here the rhythm is quite hard considering that it's a futsuu
23:30 Zetera: And what about 01:28:043 - ?
23:31 frukoyurdakul: that's fine since you have a break on 01:31:287 -
23:31 frukoyurdakul: the down limit of break on Futsuu is 2/1 and after 00:41:665 - this you have quite 3/2 snapped rhythms
23:32 frukoyurdakul: you can either remove the one I've pointed out or
23:32 frukoyurdakul: 00:43:935 - remove this to give a break
23:32 frukoyurdakul: your choice
23:32 Zetera: I removed the one at 41:341
23:33 Zetera: Putting that amount of breaks was the hardest thing for me tbh
23:33 frukoyurdakul: I understand totally
23:33 frukoyurdakul: actually
23:33 frukoyurdakul: 00:43:935 - having a break on this would be appropriate
23:33 frukoyurdakul: since you only have one note on muzukashii
23:34 frukoyurdakul: it'll create a difference and provide some break before the off-beat rhythm comes in
23:34 frukoyurdakul: the spread from Kantan->Futsuu is fine but it doesn't really change between Futsuu->Muzukashii
23:35 Zetera: I find that particular bit to be very important though
23:35 frukoyurdakul: hm
23:35 frukoyurdakul: maybe
23:36 frukoyurdakul: 00:43:773 - here you can add a note on Muzukashii and 00:43:935 - change this one to don then
23:36 frukoyurdakul: with removing the finishers on them
23:40 Zetera: Let's see
23:41 Zetera: That doesn't really work either...
23:42 frukoyurdakul: well the spread between futsuu and muzu should be higher than it's current state
23:44 frukoyurdakul: unless you have a better idea you should apply one or the other
23:44 Zetera: Sorry, had to deal with moderation stuff
23:44 Zetera: Let's see what I could do
23:44 frukoyurdakul: np
23:44 Zetera: Do I necessarily need to remove the finishers in the muzu if I add the note?
23:45 Zetera: Actually
23:45 Zetera: I'll just remove the first extra kat
23:45 Zetera: I'd rather keep the second one
23:46 Zetera: Just for the protocol, removed 00:43:287 -
23:46 frukoyurdakul: hmm, did you change anything on muzu?
23:51 Zetera: Nope, just Futsuu.
23:51 frukoyurdakul: okay
23:51 Zetera: Still have to update though
23:51 frukoyurdakul: wait
23:51 frukoyurdakul: I have one more thing to say for Kantan
23:52 frukoyurdakul: more like, confirmation
23:52 frukoyurdakul: 00:25:449 - what pitch were you talking about?
23:52 frukoyurdakul: guitar?
23:53 Zetera: The actual musical note on 00:25:449 - compared to 00:25:773 -
23:53 Zetera: Like the interval between those
23:53 Zetera: Is or sounds as if it was smaller than the difference in pitch between
23:53 Zetera: 00:28:043 - 00:28:368 -
23:53 frukoyurdakul: hmm
23:54 frukoyurdakul: yeah it's reasonable but
23:54 frukoyurdakul: wouldn't it be better to consider the pitch difference between the measures instead of the notes alone?
23:54 frukoyurdakul: generally speaking, the 2nd one is higher than the first one
23:55 Zetera: I structued the muzu according to my logic as well
23:55 Zetera: And the futsuu
23:55 Zetera: So I'd rather not change it
23:55 frukoyurdakul: okay your choice
23:55 frukoyurdakul: let me check the other parts aswell
23:57 frukoyurdakul: 02:05:989 - you said I agree to put finishers on Futsuu but they don't seem to have one
23:57 frukoyurdakul: you agree*
23:59 Zetera: I might actually have added finishers to the wrong notes then LOL
23:59 frukoyurdakul: so are you gonna add them?
23:59 Zetera: Of course
00:00 Zetera: I can't find the others, probably didn't actually do it or it blends right in
00:00 frukoyurdakul: 02:05:989 (368,369,370,371,372,373,374,375) - I meant these notes while writing it
00:00 frukoyurdakul: but didn't point out each one of them
00:01 frukoyurdakul: iirc the other ones already had finishers
00:01 Zetera: Oh, the kats as well?
00:01 Zetera: I just applied the finishers to the dons
00:01 frukoyurdakul: yeah, kats too
00:01 frukoyurdakul: they're only 1/1 snap so it shouldn't matter (at least to me)
00:02 Zetera: should I start at 02:05:999 - or at 02:06:638 -
00:02 frukoyurdakul: hmm
00:02 frukoyurdakul: let's see
00:02 Zetera: if I start at 02:06:638 - , it feels incomplete, but kkD is terrible for this diff
00:02 frukoyurdakul: 01:08:584 (201,202,203) - you used one there already
00:03 frukoyurdakul: so do it here too
00:03 Zetera: Right okay
00:03 Zetera: Applied
00:03 frukoyurdakul: 02:09:233 (377,378,379) - these too
00:03 Zetera: yep
00:04 frukoyurdakul: you can update, I'm gonna check the set once more to see if anything is wrong or can be better
00:04 Zetera: Alright
00:12 frukoyurdakul: do you want to change anything else?
00:12 Zetera: I'll give my topdiff another go
00:12 frukoyurdakul: okay
00:15 Zetera: Nah, I think i'm alright now
00:15 frukoyurdakul: alright

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Topic Starter
Zetera
S c h a u m k r o n e
h y p e
Vulkin
finally time to get drurnk
Greenshell
Um diese Momentaufnahme festzuhalten:



S c h a u m k r o n e
Lumenite-
i don't speak german so i can't come up with a pun for this map

there were two minor changes to consistency at 02:24:872 - and 02:29:839 - to match 02:19:773 in the inner

but in all seriousness this is one of my favorite nominations this month year lol
Topic Starter
Zetera
O'zapft is, Kumpanen!

Trinkt mit mir!

Mao
gratulation
Monstrata
Nardoxyribonucleic
How would you differentiate the level of difficulty between Anspruchsvoll and Schwer? There is no clear indication regarding the progression among "Challenging" and "Hard". Also we usually use Muzukashii to indicate a Hard difficulty in the Taiko scene while the German hard here is actually an Oni, resulting in an inconsistency to all other maps.
Nardoxyribonucleic
Disqualified as the map creator would like to use another set of difficulty names.
Topic Starter
Zetera
So, first of all, I chose to rename "leicht" to "einfach" and "schwer" to "schwierig", to go away from the potential ambiguity with weight adjectives.

I decided to rename the muzukashii to "schwierig", since that's what it's supposed to be in Japanese. I came up with "komplex" for the Oni, because I don't like the usage of the word demon in diffs. It does not indicate difficulty progression and definitely doesn't indicate actual difficulty in German. "komplex" is fairly close to the literal meaning of "being insane" if used as a noun, and as an adjective, it stands for something complicated, which I'd say is fitting in itself.
Nardoxyribonucleic
The word conflict seems settled and no gameplay changes have been made.

Requalified~
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